McCain Attacks Blogosphere
In 2000, John McCain called Rev. Jerry Falwell an “agent of intolerance.†Yesterday, in a naked attempt to broaden his political base, McCain delivered the commencement speech at Falwell’s Liberty University.
McCain’s hypocrisy was noted on many blogs. He returned the favor in his speech at Liberty by attacking the blogosphere:
When I was a young man, I was quite infatuated with self-expression, and rightly so because, if memory conveniently serves, I was so much more eloquent, well-informed, and wiser than anyone else I knew. It seemed I understood the world and the purpose of life so much more profoundly than most people. I believed that to be especially true with many of my elders, people whose only accomplishment, as far as I could tell, was that they had been born before me, and, consequently, had suffered some number of years deprived of my insights…It’s a pity that there wasn’t a blogosphere then. I would have felt very much at home in the medium.
Oh, so McCain is always right – the problem is that we’re bloggers so we’re too impressed with ourselves to understand. If you are reading this, you are part of the blogosphere too, so you won’t understand McCain’s genius either.
(P.S. Glad to hear that McCain has grown out of his “infatuated with self-expression†phase.)
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McCain’s lurch to the right begs the following question: Could it be possible that Republicans are also saddled with shitty consultants? Because all of his recent, blatant pandering to fundamentalist right-wingers is, to my mind, an insanely bad call if he wants to be the next president. He’s sailing straight into the gathering storm when reason dictates that one gets out of his way. And the “McCain has always been a conservative” bs is bs–we all know what he’s said in the past, and we all know what he’s doing now. That’s an elephant in the room, and I see it, and so does everyone else.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:40 pmHmmm … first humping Bush’s leg, now Falwell’s … yes, we have liftoff! It’s another successful attempt to get the Repug presidential nomination!
May 13th, 2006 at 5:41 pmshould be “one gets out of IT’S way”
May 13th, 2006 at 5:45 pmIt’s a pity that there wasn’t a blogosphere then. I would have felt very much at home in the medium.
If he keeps doing this a few more times he’s not going to be able to do the “to the extreems for the primaries; to the center for the Nov election” political prancing and dancing. How about letting him get well attached to the extreems and then find out he’s stuck to them with superglue? There may not have been a blogosphere then, but there’s a BOGosphere now. And [hopefully] he’s sinking deeper and deeper into it.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:52 pmYou know, it’s cute how McCain is talking about how he was all high and mighty when he was a young man, but he’s not taking into account the fact that the average blogger is over 30.
May 13th, 2006 at 5:55 pmMcCain is another neo-con lap dog who is finally showing his colors. He has been masquerading as a moderate and now that he has made a back-room deal with the party he is playing by their rules now.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:02 pmThis is, as I’m sorry to say, one more step towards appeasement of the elderly. Sen. McCain is countering the Moveon.org crowd and signaling to his future devotees that he knows how to handle these Hooligans. If none of this is a problem then why is it necessary to address such a non influential entity such as the blogosphere? His pandering is unsettling. I hope he ordered Glenn Greenwald’s book.Maybe he should run with Libby Dole as the Grey&Scared Ticket.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:15 pmtalk is cheap. McCain will never be president….never.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:15 pmSo he was saying he was a flip flop smart ass kid, and now hes just a flip flopper…???
WTF is he trying to say? Is this an apology? Or just Self Rationalizing?
come on Mccain, SHEEBUS, when you flop flop, flop flip, flip, it’s not the OVER 30 Blogospheres fault, we just judged the flip flop olympics..
See YOU McCain did a 9.4 on my flip flop judge card. Perhaps others found you flip more ELOQUENT than I. Normally we discount for smirks, spastic arm movements, and the difficulty factor of the flip flop.
A Foerign Policy fliip flip generally rates more difficult than Religious [cough$$]Pandering contortionist flip flopping.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:32 pmMcCain grows up at such a fast pace.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:33 pmJust 3 years ago he was calling Jerry Fatwell an extremist, now he is kissing his ass.
What will McCain be in another 3 years?
If he continues to grow at his current rate, we’re all in big trouble.
And by the way, I’m still very infatuated with self expression. It’s what this country was founded on.
McCain has enabled Bush to tap our phone calls, emails, and Internet browsing.
What would a President McCain think about “self espression”/ free speech?
I was so much more eloquent, well-informed, and wiser than anyone else I knew.
Wisdom does not factor into flip flop Olympic Scoring, we have found the less Intellectual of the best and brightest offer more stunning and daring flip flops.
Lets take this Statement, for example, Mr Mcain, because this Politician scored a Perfect 10 with his “Read My Lips” flip flop flop.
Can you guess who that Was?
That said, and I’m not trying to be eloquent, was the Blogosphere also responsible for THAT flip flop flip? Nope, but Man What a Flip Flop!!
Woooo Son did you see how easily, with no remorse, or question, but with false bravado flopped! Thats like Mike Tyson biting off an EAR. Gotta Score that a 10.
Doing a Heckuva Job Johnnie!!
Keep Practicing!
[BTW we have Lobbyist Judges just slip em some $$ wink wink]
May 13th, 2006 at 6:44 pmToo bad the assumption he makes that the blogosphere is made up of just the young is a false assumption. Has he been shown the results of the last blog poll? Does he understand that the average age of people who read and participate in the blogosphere is 46 years old?
May 13th, 2006 at 6:46 pmIf he was president who would be in his cabinet?? all the rest of the repugs will be in jail! No i think this pandering will backfire on him big time! I still cant get the image of him hugging on Bush!! Dems better beware of this joker and get a strategy to neutralize the ‘vietnam veteren’ spin that he will use! Besides his health is in question!
May 13th, 2006 at 6:47 pm[…] McCain Becoming a Jerk Watch: Now he’s bashing bloggers. I miss the days where McCain seemed like the last bastion of hope in the Republican party. See yesterday’s Walken ‘08 link for your new alternative. ¤ […]
May 13th, 2006 at 6:47 pmMcCain obviously did not see that “Wrong Way/Do Not Enter” sign on the road to his political ambitions. Can’t he see while he turns to the right, the nation turns left? He is due for a wreck.
May 13th, 2006 at 6:50 pmAn Open Letter To Kos
May 13th, 2006 at 6:58 pmMcPlain is aspiring to be the next Reagan–Alzheimer’s and all. He lost all credibility when he started kissing Queen George the Dumb’s (no way is it her ring) ass. Write him off and forget him as we here have. He and Kyle are history–Arizona is free!
Click on Clyde and add your own Bush Bashing!
May 13th, 2006 at 7:06 pmSlow day, Judd??? Comparing Hillary’s lurch to the right (and landing in the center) is comparable to McCains’ lurch from the center to the right. Funny what politics does to wanna be Presidents….
May 13th, 2006 at 7:28 pmMighty–I think that’s a pretty good analogy (although I think McCain only switched one lane, as opposed to two (or even 3) for HRC). But unlike McCain, who I think is the most likely GOP nominee out of all those testing the waters (George Allen? Are you kidding me? And Frist is out, clearly–for crissakes, he makes Bush look good), I think that at the rate she’s going HRC will not be her party’s nominee.
May 13th, 2006 at 7:52 pmWhen we are young we oftentimes are idealists. As we grow older usually either of two things happen to these idealists: 1) They lose their idealism and become pragmatists who then frequently lose their ethics and morality and become money grubbing Repuglicans, or 2) they maintain their idealism, ethics and morality and choose to be liberals and progressives.
The second choice is usually the most difficult path to follow.
I guess we know which of these two applies to McCain.
May 13th, 2006 at 7:55 pmMcCain the sellout. McCain the hypocrite. He’s worse than Bush, he’s a coward.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:01 pmThe blogosphere attacked me first! Whaaaaaaaaaaa!
Sen. McCain Wants To Be President
Check-out his unpresidential credentials
January-February 1997 Issue
May 13th, 2006 at 8:08 pmBy Ted Sampley
U.S. Veteran Dispatch
John McCain’s Skeleton Closet
I’m not gay!
May 13th, 2006 at 8:10 pmBloomberg Just Says ‘No’
FILE UNDER: 2008, Mike Bloomberg, Rudy Giuliani
Voters, according to an AP/Ipsos poll, are primed for a third-party presidential candidate.
Like John McCain.
Or Rudy Giuliani.
Or Mike Bloomberg.
In other words, a Republican who can’t get the nomination.
- Tom McGeveran
“Do you know why Chelsea Clinton is so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.” — John McCain
May 13th, 2006 at 8:18 pmHey Smack…
You certainly are not implying that Bush is not a coward, are you?!?! He is so chickenshit that he wouldn’t even talk to Cindy Sheehan outside his faux “ranch”, but that is where I will leave it, because the list would go on forever.
I am going to have a celebratory beer or two for Rove’s indictment!! Damn, I wore my bright “GOP Jumpsuit Orange” shirt yesterday…oh well…
Is McCain gay?? What is with these Rethugs?!?!
May 13th, 2006 at 8:22 pmI wouldn’t worry about McCain. Even I shot him down once before.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:22 pmMcCain is the second biggest tool in the box.
-GSD
May 13th, 2006 at 8:22 pmIf my daughter did shoot that pampered, chair force blowhard down, good for her. I think he just bailed out when he realized someone was shooting at him.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:25 pmWe don’t want McCain. We want Hitler!
May 13th, 2006 at 8:26 pmChisolm - I know alot of progs are NOT pro-Hillary - but she is flush (pun intended) with $$$. Of course the vast majority of progs will vote for her - a few learned in Florida that voting “their conscience” and casting a vote for Ralph Nader had more to do with Bushs’ victory than any attempt by Gore to cherry pick pro-Gore counties. Don’t misunderstand me - radical left-wing extremists will criticize any Dem with a chance to be elected for not being “left enough”. (They LOVE “Democratically elected” Communist Hugo Chavez - but neglect to mention the 11 journalists in jail for criticaing him in various publications.) Extreme progs whine until it becomes vinegar.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:28 pmStyve, Republicans are closet gays. They have had extensive therapy (forced on them by their parents) meant to convince themselves thay are not gay.
We (normal thinking people) know that therapy cannot un-gay a person.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:32 pmA closet gay is the worst type of human being in my book. They’re nothing but liars.
I have to take exception here. I do not agree with the belief that bloggers are only young people. I consider myself to be a wise, informed individual who is well past the 46 yr. old that someone mentioned in a comment. There are many of us who are past that age, who are having a wonderful time finding information that we know we cannot find in other ’so called’ areas of information: that being network TV, Cable TV, and the various newspapers and mags. I am way past the age where I believe it just because I’m told to believe it, and I raised my kids to question that kind of ‘information’ and I’m sure they are part of the blogoshere communities as well. I do enjoy seeing intelligent and respectful comments by those who question the b.s. that we are having crammed down our throats by the above mentioned forms of media. Keep commenting, it’s so refreshing.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:39 pmnews regarding satan and plame JUST IN:
May 13th, 2006 at 8:50 pmOh No…John McCain Hates Us……
Such wit and charisma. As Judd says, at least this confirms that McCain no longer cares about self-expression……
May 13th, 2006 at 8:52 pm23
Linking to sites that insult what McCain did while he was a PRISONER OF WAR seems a little weak to me. I’m sure that under those circumstances you would have had no trouble following the UCMJ. It really is as bad as the people that insulted what Kerry did while he was in Nam. If you want to slam McCain it may have more effect if you find something that happened in the last 35 years or so as well (there is plenty for you to go with)
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May 13th, 2006 at 8:56 pmIs McCain gay??
Nice real classy a perfect example of a true progressive there. Certinally show the “tolerant” side on that one.
He has been “turned” to the dark side.
May 13th, 2006 at 8:57 pmHe has been “turned” to the dark side. $$$
May 13th, 2006 at 8:58 pmThink Progress community–my apologies. I engaged with someone not realizing they were a troll. Had I known this, I would never have engaged them–it’s so cruel. The poor thing is clearly exhausted, what with her entire waking life now devoted to defending her deranged, teetering worldview. I should have left the last hornet in the nest in peace.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:02 pmTundra, I’m tolerant of honest people.
Closet gays lie every minute of their lives. They do not deserve my tolerance nor my respect.
You did a great job of proving that Republicans are closet gays. Please come out already, then we can have a shred of respect for you.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:03 pmPasty-faced little creep.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:13 pmKinda what you would expect from the Republican half of the duo that gave us “Campaign Finance Reform”.
Later,
May 13th, 2006 at 9:14 pm#41 and how bout that dangling neck of his? Eeeewwwwwww!
May 13th, 2006 at 9:15 pm40,
I never said anything about your comment. If you are comfortable calling all Republicans gay so be it.
Closet gays lie every minute of their lives. They do not deserve my tolerance nor my respect.
Wow and I get called harsh. If someone chooses not to discuss sex with others they are lying? Quite frankly I wish more hetrosexuals would keep what happens behind closed doors there too. If someone is gay why do they have to scream it from the mountaintops as opposed to just doing their job at work etc? I don’t have a need to tell anyone I’m straight.
You did a great job of proving that Republicans are closet gays.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:18 pmWell, I’m not a republican or gay. Not that I would have a problem admitting either.
…he comes off as a self-righteous “untouchable,” but I don’t know why people have responded to him as such.
He’s a politician, and not irreproachable. There was a time, he seemed votable (is tha that a word?), but hell no.
Anyone that aligns him/herself with people like falwell, and the dominionist “christians” gets a big “screw you” from the deepest part of my heart.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:23 pmThe maverick is now officially a gelding happily romping through crazy base world. I wonder how the conservative blogs are reacting to this dismissive attack on all of us?
Mo Do’s newest is up, btw, in case you slept in this morning.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:27 pmAnd let’s not forget the S & L scandal, folks!!!
May 13th, 2006 at 9:37 pmswiftboat his ass… no better than Powell… The right wing should see commercial after commercial of him calling them extremists … and then let him try to explain he really didnt mean it…. and when he tries showing Kerry calling him a good guy just say, “Flip flop” and then play the commercial again…
ps .. agree with Tundra.. do not disparage him for the horror of his Vietnam time or his sexualness…
May 13th, 2006 at 9:45 pmThis is really incredible. Bloggers are only in it because we have some overhyped opinion of ourselves? Are you serious? How’s about those journalists and political commentators published in thousands of newspapers and magazines across the country and around the world? Just narcissists?
May 13th, 2006 at 9:47 pm#33 kclaf
I second your thoughts about the age of bloggers. I have kids as old as you are; Grand-kids old enough to vote; Great-grand-kids almost teenagers and I use this Blog exclusively for the news.
In my nonage I used to carry grudges, when I matured I got even, now in my dotage I get ahead.
Illegitimus non carburundum! (Don’t let the bastards grind you down!)
Click on Clyde.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:50 pm#39 - I should have left the last hornet in the nest in peace.
Comment by chisholm
Most understandable, chisholm, Mighty Hag was pretending to be lucid for a minute, but obviously couldn’t maintain.
May 13th, 2006 at 9:53 pm#50 - Clyde, we all benefit from your wisdom and razor sharp wit!
May 13th, 2006 at 9:57 pmJohn what flavor was the kool aid they served at your flip flop ceremony?
May 13th, 2006 at 9:57 pm#51 you could have stopped with the word pretending, that is about all (s)He does…..
May 13th, 2006 at 10:00 pmCloset gays hurt their families.
Mrs. McCain has to go thru life pretending to be in a happy marraige. She has to share her husband with men. She risks catching sexually transmitted diseases.
McCains children have to keep daddy’s “secret”.
Closet gays are selfish liars, period. They are no better than an addict that lies, steals and cheats to get their fiix.
Anyone who finds this exceptable must be a selfish, lyiing closet gay
May 13th, 2006 at 10:07 pmI can’t understand how a man could want something so badly that he would go against his basic principles to get it. I live in Arizona and have witnessed the transformation that is taking place with him. Those of us who voted for him last election might be taking a second look.
Arizona would be proud to have one of there favorite son’s as president. I’m just not sure McCain is the one.
May 13th, 2006 at 10:12 pmLater McCain continued “And in the end I learned that it’s best to abandon all pretense and pride and get used to the taste of shit in your mouth.”
May 13th, 2006 at 10:28 pm#54 - You are correct, sir!
May 13th, 2006 at 10:35 pm#Slow day, Judd??? Comparing Hillary’s lurch to the right (and landing in the center) is comparable to McCains’ lurch from the center to the right. Funny what politics does to wanna be Presidents….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 13, 2006 @ 7:28 pm
Actually this is funny, the RIGHT has gotten so desperate they are willing to take Hillary. Mcains Lurch to the “right” lol. Naw We aren’t gonna support them, No money here =)
But The Evangelists, just tell them what they want to hear and Waa laaa, TRUTH! and of course Campaign Bucks.
Either Way the RIGHT has to LEFT because its MORE CORRUPT Than the LEFT. Flip FLip FLIP FLOP.
What was Mighty Mouths Point Again?
May 13th, 2006 at 10:45 pmSO Mighty Mouth are you still gonna Apologize for the Right errr Neo-Right? Or DO you HATE Hillary so much that You are gonna switch to the Left? LMAO.
Or Are you gonna be an Independent or Soverign?
Lost are YE Mighty Mouth
May 13th, 2006 at 10:48 pmWhere have thy sheep gone?
#59 That (s)he is as stupid as McCain hopes (s)he is……
May 13th, 2006 at 10:50 pmDO you HATE Hillary so much that You are gonna switch to the Left?
May 13th, 2006 at 11:04 pmhehehehe
I’m surprised John could even talk, what with 6 inches of Falwell down his throat…maybe that’s what that weird lump in his cheek is.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:17 pmM.A. Why don’t you stick to the actual discussion on the McCain hypocrisy and his unnecessary attack on the blog community? The fact that he has never caught up it is not surprising. There will be plenty of time to talk about whatever you are blurting out.
Don’t you think that McCain should be considered a flip-flop politician who is too chickenshit to stand up to a Chimperor whose policies destroy personal freedoms?
Answer NOW!
May 13th, 2006 at 11:19 pmwhat with 6 inches of Falwell down his throat
You seem to know alot about Falwell hmmmmmmmm JK
May 13th, 2006 at 11:20 pmPolitics is war. It’s a highly stylized violent, messy , bloody contact sport. Deal with it or take up poetics instead.
May 13th, 2006 at 11:42 pmto D’rawl (post #5): It’s an old ploy — infantilize your critics by associating them with callow youthiness. That way, even if you can’t get them to shut up at least you’ve injected some doubt about their maturity and wisdom.
May 14th, 2006 at 12:06 amStephen Colbert did a nice job on him. :)
May 14th, 2006 at 12:09 amAs long as Republicans, including McCain, keep repeating the story that bloggers are just know nothing kids, some stupid folks will believe them. It’s a tactic that’s worked so well for them in the past.
It’s just the latest attempt to be derogatory to those who oppose them.
May 14th, 2006 at 12:19 am#69 its not that bloggers are young dumb kids. its that they spend to much time typing and still accomplishing nothing.
May 14th, 2006 at 12:39 amMcCain is 100% trash > anyone who supports or defends him is trash as well! He is a putrid phony and Bush butt kisser too! The citizens of Arizona must kick him out of the Senate
May 14th, 2006 at 1:02 amKick McCain out of the Senate Now!
May 14th, 2006 at 1:11 amI just feel sad for him. To witness the slow, sad decline of this formerly admirable person, and the transformation into a ‘typical’ politician, whose only goal is to win the next election, is just gross. It is such a waste. And I have already seen this ‘movie’, an ‘updated’ version will still have the same ending. I am ashamed FOR him, and his family has my sympathy. Sigh….
May 14th, 2006 at 1:18 amMr. McCain is “Kick His Own Dog Bitter” about something. Underneath he’s mean and getting meaner. His responses to objectionable issues and situations he may find himself in used to have a kind of gentle off the cuff ‘aw shucks aproach: “Well I may not agree, but that’s okay. We can talk about it.” These days he seems to be loosing his concilitory notions in favor of revealing his hard line self. His pandering is truly an embarassment. He doesn’t smile as mush as he used to. It’s like he been possessed and is doing “their” bidding. Who is this John McCain? I don’t know him. Don’t want to know him. He’s mean.
May 14th, 2006 at 1:26 amI thought the comment was kind of funny. Why are people pissed off?
May 14th, 2006 at 1:26 amI don’t think people are ” pissed off” at this statement in particular. It is a general sense of betrayl, I believe. I mean, everybody thought they knew where this guy stood and where he would stand. If he sells himself out this easily. What the hell will he do to us if he were to be elected? Personally I am disappointed that the other John McCain has vanished. This? I don’t know what this is.
May 14th, 2006 at 1:41 amI am 51 years old, and I am not any smarter or any dumber than John McCain is, I am just not as full of myself as he is, I would not be caught dead 4 years ago telling Falwell what an azz he was and then be there now sucking up to the TURD hoping he will help get me elected to take Dumazz;s job, after 8 years of Dubya and crowd it will be awhile before another republican gets to sleep in da white house…..enough republicanism already we can’t afford any more “compassionate conservatism” with a little bit of religion thrown in………..they are crazy
May 14th, 2006 at 2:34 am#69 its not that bloggers are young dumb kids. its that they spend to much time typing and still accomplishing nothing.
Comment by nothing else to do
The blog ads survey
Sorry I don’t have the link to the data and charts Atrios put up. It’s not kids, not at all. They are on cell phones and texting each other. And this right here is why you and the GOP and conservative movement are dead, troll. Eat it, bitch.
May 14th, 2006 at 4:02 amAnyone who thinks this isn’t a real war to save this country, just read this and this. Like Rumsfeld said, you go to war with the army you have. I intend to use every legal weapon at my disposal to get my country back, Jack. Making fun of of John McCain’s being a pampered whiner while a POW is distasteful perhaps, but it is legal, and it’s probably true. And the enemy did it to themselves, in McCains case. I intend to point that out. The “swiftboating” of Kerry was legal, and definitely bullshit. I hope I don’t have to list all the things that the enemies of Democracy in this country have done that are not legal, or do you shrinking violets have a bad memory?
May 14th, 2006 at 4:13 amI just feel sad for him. To witness the slow, sad decline of this formerly admirable person, and the transformation into a ‘typical’ politician, whose only goal is to win the next election, is just gross. It is such a waste. And I have already seen this ‘movie’, an ‘updated’ version will still have the same ending. I am ashamed FOR him, and his family has my sympathy. Sigh….
Comment by Cyra Brown
Cyra, he was never an admirable person. Never. He is a corrupt crook. See the Keating 5 scandal.
May 14th, 2006 at 4:17 amDemographics of Democratic Blog Activists with link to actual survey results. Not kids, and the end of McCain, and why he fears and denigrates blogs and blog readers.
May 14th, 2006 at 4:22 amIt already happened here because you can take the high road to defeat in a dirty fight.
For as long as we have had some kind of mental health system, women who “behave incorrectly” have been ordered to undergo its treatments. At one time or another, feminists, suffragists, menopausal women, and women who question authority in any way have been sent to institutions so that they could recieve “help.” The latest woman to get such help is Carol Fisher of Cleveland. Fisher is on the staff of Revolution Books, and on January 28, while she was putting Bush Step Down posters on telephone polls in Cleveland Heights, she was ordered by a police officer to take them down or face a fine. When she complied, she was asked for her ID, which she did not have on her. He then grabbed her by the arm, pushed her against a store window, and knocked her face down onto the sidewalk. He was joined by another officer, and they both pressed their feet against her back until she could not breathe. Her chin was pressed down into the concrete; Fisher has osteoradionecrosis in her jaw from radiation treatments for cancer.
Fisher was handcuffed and shackled. During this time, Fisher yelled out to everyone who passed what the posters were about. One of the police officers then told her, Fisher says, to “Shut up or I will kill you! I am sick of this anti-Bush shit! You are definitely going to the psyche ward.”
May 14th, 2006 at 4:26 amThis is not America. This is the evil empire.
Report: Mentally ill troops forced into combat
Military not following own rules on deployment, paper says
Saturday, May 13, 2006; Posted: 10:05 p.m.
HARTFORD, Connecticut (AP) — U.S. military troops with severe psychological problems have been sent to Iraq or kept in combat, even when superiors have been aware of signs of mental illness, a newspaper reported in its Sunday editions
May 14th, 2006 at 4:28 amAnd one last thing, McCain is trying to channel Mark Twain with his half-assed snark, and failing. I knew Mark Twain, and John McCain is no Mark Twain.
McCain:
When I was a young man, I was quite infatuated with self-expression, and rightly so because, if memory conveniently serves, I was so much more eloquent, well-informed, and wiser than anyone else I knew. It seemed I understood the world and the purpose of life so much more profoundly than most people. I believed that to be especially true with many of my elders, people whose only accomplishment, as far as I could tell, was that they had been born before me, and, consequently, had suffered some number of years deprived of my insights…It’s a pity that there wasn’t a blogosphere then. I would have felt very much at home in the medium.
Twain:
Sometimes called Batwainism (Born-again-Twainism), it takes its name from the remark attributed to Mark Twain that when he was a young teenager he first began to realise the extent of his father’s ignorance, but that by the time that he was twenty-one he was astonished by how much his father had learned in such a short time.
May 14th, 2006 at 5:22 amThis is as disturbing as if Oscar The Grouch from Seseme Street said it. McCain is just another hand puppet. Like his opinion of us matters.
May 14th, 2006 at 7:18 amI’m 68 and wouldn’t miss a day without my blogs. When will I ever grow up and become “wise”? Mr. McCain, wake up!
May 14th, 2006 at 7:47 amIt occurs to me that if that quote had come from Al Gore or someone like him on the Dem side, the big news story in hot rotation on cable all week would be, “AL GORE PLAGIARIZES MARK TWAIN!”
As it is, expect a growing chorus of how McCain is “still gaining acceptance” on the right.
(Oops, I plagiarized Dana Carvey… :-)
May 14th, 2006 at 9:09 amso now McCain is in extremist Falwell’s pocket……..
May 14th, 2006 at 9:35 amMcCain is a knee-jerk conservative who is dangerous because many people still think he’s a moderate.
But the comments in #27 and #29 were not cool. McCain suffered incredible hardship during his imprisonment by the North Vietnamese. He had a chance to get lenient treatment as the son of an admiral (IIRC) but turned it down.
Come on people — let’s not be like the Rethuglicans. Let’s separate someone’s good from their bad.
May 14th, 2006 at 9:52 amWith the MSM devoted to the failed policies and programs of the Bush administration, it is only reality that the alienated 71% would turn to some venue that would permit free and open discourse on the issues of the day. I realize that the 29% must express their views also and this is what makes the internet a viable arena for debate and discussion similar to a town meeting. To demean the process by alluding to the immaturity of the participants is disengenuous and immature in itself. I am 72 years old, lived through a depression, had 3 brothers in combat zones in WW2 and served in the US Army and believe that I have the right to express my opinion where and when available as a citizen of the United States without censors or government spying. Americans have come to realize the availability and effectiveness of blogging in participating in a democracy.
May 14th, 2006 at 10:43 amThere was a time a few years ago, when, knowing McCain’s history I was inclined to see him as perhaps a ‘hope for the future.’ Now that he is showing us his true self, I realize how wrong I was to ever have had faith in this man to make a difference. That he would go to Liberty University to asskiss Fawell who he previously denounced as dangerous, shows that he is nothing but a political hack who, seeking to be elected president, will pander to anyone to get votes. Like others before him (Ollie North comes to mind) he pretended to have a spine, when in fact it was tissue paper. Now this gutless wonder will go on the campaign trail knowing that all the lemmings out there will follow him over the cliff to their own doom. What bothers me is that they don’t care who they take with them. As the Irish say: “Bad cess to them all!”
May 14th, 2006 at 1:07 pmJohn McCain, a living example of how to sell your soul. Just another big, hypocritical, two-faced liar.
Thankfully he is showing his true colors now so that when it comes to choose the republican candidate I believe that the people still adhereing to that party will not vote for him because he has lowered himself to piece-of-shit status. And I don’t think anyone wants to elect another piece-of-shit president anytime soon in this country.
May 14th, 2006 at 1:08 pmThat’s hardly an attack. It’s a gentle nudge at most. Come on!
(Not that I like McCain’s politics, either.)
May 14th, 2006 at 1:34 pmJohn McCain is true face of desperation. The trickle of cold sweat running down his back has caused him to whore himself to the right, and turn his back on the people who once respected him. Sad, really…
May 14th, 2006 at 1:42 pmI heard voodoo practitioner Falwell wears McCain’s shrunken head around his neck for protection from the true conservatives
May 14th, 2006 at 2:44 pm/snark on
This is the improved, newly rendered McCain. The old McCain was such an embarasment for the Bush Administration. Countering Bush on silly things like torture, not towing the line that we don’t torture.
Now the Cia is offering this process for the public. Your brother in law complaining about some silly idea like Saying his phone records are being searched by the NSA? Your Daughter keeps trying to tell you that Iraq has nothing to do with terrorists. She denys that there is proof Sadam and Bin Laudin were slleping together.
No problem,we can take care of that. Just give us a call at 1-800-BRN-WASH.
Just look at what we’ve done with John, for proof of results
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/snark off
May 14th, 2006 at 2:55 pmMcCain showed his true colors during his race with Bushco. Remember that Cuban boy in Florida? McCain backed giving him to those nasty relatives vs. his real father. I sent McCain an email and told him off back then. He hasn’t changed. Will say anything to get elected.
May 14th, 2006 at 2:56 pmMcCain Attacks Bloggers, Sinks Ship with Loose Lips…
John McCain says bloggers are old enough to fight his wars but not enough to speak our mind. So much for freedom of speech. Maybe we should put an age limit on it. Now there’s an idea for you John. There outta be a law….
May 14th, 2006 at 3:10 pmSo, McCain is basically saying that young people are full of themselves and that, since many bloggers are young, bloggers are therefore full of themselves.
Doesn’t wash, Senator. That’s as inaccurate as saying all older people are sellouts because you yourself have sold out as an older man to big business and extremist religion.
It’s a silly argument in the first place, easily taken apart by anyone– of any age, I might add– who bases their opinions on the facts and has not merely auctioned off their integrity in a desperate bid to grab the brass presidential ring.
Let me spell it. If youth automatically equates to being wrong in Senator McSellout’s mind, he needs to meet a 95-year-old woman I know. She pretty much agrees entirely with the liberal blogger position. So, she’s got 20 or so years on you, Senator– by your own supposition, I guess you have to admit that you’re the arrogant, mistaken one. Or are there now suddenly going to be some caveats to your claim?
May 14th, 2006 at 3:48 pmMcCain is a weasel with a hugely inflated reputation. He’s just another Colin Powell who hasn’t yet made his presentation to the United Nations.
May 14th, 2006 at 4:38 pmWe’re all supposed to behave like Falwell-brainwashed Liberty University graduates? If people don’t speak up - as they did during Vietnam - and instead buy into McCain’s logic, we will have a very polite nation, but it won’t be a nation that is concerned with getting to the truth. Should we all start talking like super-polite jello-heads? “Oh, isn’t it a shame that we have all these casualties in Iraq, but I suppose we must put up with it. It’s for the best. It’s my country, I have to support it.” That kind of crap.
May 14th, 2006 at 4:56 pmMcCain = Falwell whore.
May 14th, 2006 at 5:23 pmPerhaps McCain is just saying he’s sorry for calling Farwell an intolerant ass, but can still disagree with him.
May 14th, 2006 at 7:43 pm“I was so much more eloquent, well-informed, and wiser than anyone else I knew. It seemed I understood the world and the purpose of life so much more profoundly than most people”
It’s like he’s known me for years! That describes me to to a T. And as if my opinion was really more important than his! It’s funny because its true!
What eloquence! How informed! So much wiser than anyone I know! This man truely is imparting his unique and profound understanding of the world onto those graduates.
Quick, get that man on a Sunday morning talk show so he can impart more words of wisdom! Or better yet, put him on the Senate floor so he can address the nation through C-Span.
May 15th, 2006 at 2:59 amI have only scanned these comments, but I think it is sad. My political instincts are true blue American Progress, but I wonder: how many of the commentators here have actually read McCain’s Falwell speech? I for one am not yet cynical enough about McCain to question that he believes that he is doing what is right. What should he do? Not speak to them? I don’t agree with McCain on many (most?) issues, but it strikes me that if we are to save this country, there must be some exchange across the lines. McCain is somebody we can work with, in marked contrast to the current GOP leaders who see truth as malleable to serve political ends. The question is: can he work with us?
We need (at least) two healthy parties to save this country, and who but McCain can rescue the GOP from its cancer? I for one fear a Raging Left that eats its own insides far more than I fear a healthy McCain-led GOP that stands for real American values instead of the Stalinist corruption of today’s cons.
May 15th, 2006 at 11:27 amTo revise and extend my remarks in the previous post, I agree that McCain’s generalizations about bloggers are misguided and he will come to see that. Yes, the man does have flashes of anger, and he has come under some heavy fire for his Falwell speech, not to mention ‘humping Bush’s leg’ which he has done far too much of for my taste. BUT. The fact remains that McCain has more credibility and stature to speak than any blogger. (That means you too Kos: no, you don’t own the ‘netroots’.)
May 15th, 2006 at 11:35 am#50 - “Most understandable, chisholm, Mighty Hag was pretending to be lucid for a minute, but obviously couldn’t maintain. ” - Comment by Zoopooper
****Dear Zoo - Go back and read my comments in #30. You’ll see I am more than lucid - my post is factual. But I know for you toleRANT types feelings and facts sometimes get confused.
#79 - “Cyra, he was never an admirable person. Never. He is a corrupt crook. See the Keating 5 scandal.” - Comment by Victor Soils
May 15th, 2006 at 1:42 pm*****I believe you’re confusing McCain with former DEMOCRAP Senator Dennis DeConcini…why am I not surprised??
#105. you need to separate facts from opinion. mccain has no more credibility than anyone else. or stature for that matter.
May 15th, 2006 at 2:02 pmBaaaaaaaaa
May 15th, 2006 at 5:40 pmPEOPLE… lets try this. please dont respond to MA’s phsycho babble okay? a few of us have decided if you dont respond she will go away eventually. she just wants attention be it negative or vitriolic so lets just ignore what her and IRI say. The minds are 1 can short of a six pack anyway! For honest discourse with a moderate or conservative i’d pick Tundra. even tempered and willing to take points without spewing crap!
May 15th, 2006 at 6:19 pmA hypocrite is a hypocrite. A whore is a whore. A liar is a liar. A phony is a phony. No matter what McCain says to deflect attention from his hypocrisy, his whoring, his lying, and his phoniness, he’s still a lying, phony, hypocrite whore who deceives himself if he thinks for one second he’s going to be the next president of the United States.
May 15th, 2006 at 6:37 pm#106…….Keating Five (the common shorthand name of the Keating Five scandal) refers to a banking scandal in the late 1980s which involved the financial destruction of Lincoln Savings and Loan, a financial institution owned by Charles Keating that in 1989 went out of business, taking $2 billion in investor money along with it. The “five” referred to in this case are five United States senators: Alan Cranston (D, CA), Dennis DeConcini (D, AZ), John Glenn (D, OH), Donald W. Riegle, Jr. (D, MI), and perhaps most notably, John McCain (R, AZ).
May 15th, 2006 at 7:34 pmHey Chisolm: it should be “one gets out of its way” (note the lack of an apostrophe which would signify a contraction of ‘it is’ rather than the possesive form of ‘it’)
May 15th, 2006 at 7:47 pman open letter to john mccain:
dear mr mccain:
first of all, i need to make one thing clear: i am not young. i have been around for awhile. i spent years of my life studying history - american history - and i am not so blind and so stupid that i cannot see what is happening around me. i don’t need a yellow magnetic car ribbon or a car flag to be a patriot, just courage and loyalty to the ideals on which this nation was founded.
i don’t have time for self-aggrandizement. i blog because i refuse to watch the executive branch eviscerate freedom and democracy in my country and stand by idly, or cower in fearful silence. i refuse to bear witness to the endless lies, corruption, election-theft, blatant attacks on our constitution, and immoral oil wars without exercising my patriotic right to dissent.
edward r. murrow once said “We must not confuse dissent with disloyalty. When the loyal opposition dies, I think the soul of America dies with it.” i happen to believe he was right.
harry truman said “Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.” i agree with former president harry truman.
jfk said: Without debate, without criticism, no administration and no country can succeed — and no republic can survive.
welcome to the blogosphere. welcome to the voices of the people. you may not agree with these voices, but belittle them at your political peril. they are the true, un-encombered screams of everyday americans who love their country.
you fought in the vietnam war because you believed it was your patriotic duty. how dare you question my duty, as i have seen it? do you think that because you are a lofty senator, you somehow understand “the world and the purpose of life so much more profoundly than most people?”
sir, you do not.
you have put a price tag on your vocation, and offered your soul to the highest bidder. i think i would have liked you better when you were young, and apparently still believed in something more than simply getting elected.
May 16th, 2006 at 11:10 amThank you Walter for your info on the Keating 5. I suppose De Conchini stuck with me as he “got out of Dodge” so quickly.
May 17th, 2006 at 11:10 amMcCain gave the same speech at Columbia. I don’t believe he’s pandering to the right. Though I do agree that the paragraph quoted in his speech is a bit of a dig at SOME bloggers.
The main point of McCain’s speech, and I think it was wonderful, was that in his youth he was so carried away with his self-expression and so focussed inward that he forgot that others also are fighting and speaking out for what they believe. He does not want to deny this to anyone and in fact said multiple times throughout the speech that it is the obligation of citizens to be vocal and outspoken and intelligent in their debate.
His criticism of the blogosphere is not that their opinions are different from his, and not that they are passionate, but that they sometimes are less than respectful to opinions which deserve respect.
“But if an American feels the decision was unwise, then they should state their opposition, and argue for another course. It’s your right and your obligation. I respect you for it. But I ask that you consider the possibility that I, too, am trying to meet my responsibilities, to follow my conscience, to do my duty as best as I can, as God has given me light to see that duty.
“Americans deserve more than tolerance from one another, we deserve each other’s respect, whether we think each other right or wrong in our views, as long as our character and our sincerity merit respect, and as long as we share, for all our differences, for all the noisy debates that enliven our politics, a mutual devotion to the sublime idea that this nation was conceived in-that freedom is the inalienable right of mankind, and in accord with the laws of nature and nature’s Creator.”
The bold is mine. While I agree that it was a bit of a jab at the blogosphere, I don’t know that it’s neccesarily unmeritted.
And for all of you who think McCain is pandering- he gave virtually the same speech at Liberty as he did at Columbia. I think his criticism is that people aren’t given the arguments of those they disagree with the respect they deserve. And I think if you will set aside your pride for a moment you might agree, as it is a lot easier to dismiss something as irrelevant that consider the other persons point of view, and the fact that the other person is just like you- answering to their own conscience and beliefs and ideals.
http://www.thecherrycreeknews.com/content/view/515/60/ the Liberty address
http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/06/05/mccain.html the Columbia address
I think before dismissing an argument you should perhaps take the time to expose yourself to it in its entirety and carefully consider it.
From President Bollinger’s Commencement Address last year:
” Over the past few years, you’ve also seen a shift in the political climate. Our nation’s discourse has grown sharper and more divisive. At times it can seem like your day-to-day life is an exercise in choosing sides. The magazines you subscribe to, the Web sites you visit, the books you read — everything is cast as an either-or proposition. Conservative or liberal; red state or blue; Ann Coulter’s Treason or Michael Moore’s Dude, Where’s My Country?
“Given these options, more and more Americans are saying: neither one, thank you. Or they seek refuge in Jon Stewart, who takes on both sides — whose answer to cable TV punditry is to have transcripts of Hardball read aloud by children.
“We laugh at all of this, and often with good reason. But the larger trend should be cause for concern, no matter what your political views are. In journalism and politics, the emphasis used to be on reaching the largest and most diverse audience possible. That’s one reason it’s called “broadcasting.” Today, though, it’s a different story. The emphasis is on what some call “narrowcasting.”
“You do not come to the university to learn how to “build a case” for some ideology, but clear-sightedly to see as much of the whole as you can. Not to sharpen your beliefs, but to see as others see. To learn to ask: “Is that true? Maybe there’s something to what she just said. Let me think about it. That’s interesting. Maybe I should change my mind. I changed my mind.” These are the sentences of the university.”
“Beginning tomorrow, when you join the ranks of these Columbians, may you have this quality, too, and the same be said about you. But when you do join the fray, remember what you’ve learned here. Remain open to the complexity of things. Be reflective, even when you’re advocating what you believe in.”
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December 15th, 2006 at 11:14 pmWe are having so many weighing in as thought police these days, that I doubt that in the very near future that anyone will ever be allowed to voice an HONEST opinion on matters of import.
December 16th, 2006 at 12:57 amAm I mistaken, please tell me if I’m misinformed here, but I was under the impression that America was a free country where one could express themselves openly, without fear of reprisal.
Oh, I guess that were free to say what we want, as long as it’s what others want to hear.
Hey! I have a question for McCain, wern’t you housed in what was called the Hanoi Hilton when you were imprisioned during the Veit Nam Conflict?
Your daddy was then Senator, was he not. If memory serves me correctly I beleive I read that once the Vietnamese learned of this, you were givin special treatment. I don’t think you were much admired by your comrades during that time, and after.
Why are you attempting to to lower the information bar that citizens are free to use by way of the enternet? Oh I know, you say you want to deprive the porn industry, well if you truly wanted to do that then you would go after the porn dealers who push it. Go no further than the western end of the San Fernando Valley in California, PORN CAPITAL of the world, controlled by …Opps, better not say, or I may be labeled something I’m not.
Have you forgotten that an open and free exchange of thought and ideas, come forth progress and greater deepths of learning and understanding? Perhaps that’s the real reason for your bill, you don’t want the American people learning the real truths behind some of the worst atrocities taking place in the world today.
You and the powers to be know full well that once the people learn that they have been played for fools, that a uprising will take place, one of which this country has never exsperienced the likes of.
The enternet is being used not for only an exchange of ideas, but a tool so that big brother will know how and why people think the way they do. Once they know that, they can put in place counter measures to defeat any intelligent front.
I resent the idiots that call people who dare speak out conspiracy theorist, or left wing morons, and other vile names.You are in fact the ones who are morally despicable and repulsive in every sense of the word.
Tell me something! How can you Mr McCain go into the “so-called house of god” and talk politicks, or worse yet, how in gods good name could a minister of god allow you or any other political person stand before a congregation and talk about political issues? Hypocrites, Jesus so appellee called the religious leaders who prove themselves false to the word.
You don’t like the enternet, then, stay off of it and leave those of us who do use it alone and attend to the bussines at hand back in D.C.
It’s way past time to wake up and learn what’s taking place in the world around you my friends. How long do you really think that our creator is going to wait for us to turn to him? Jehovah and through his son Jesus Christ wants nothing more from us but to reconize and place our trust in him instead of man. You can see where man has lead us, damnd were now finding ourselves standing at the edge of the cliff with no solution in sight.
May the Lord Jehovah prove to be in your heart.
Please go to the following site for some real eye opening information
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/przion1.htm
How does McClown expect to get the oval office 2008 with this latest garbage? Honest Americans are once again under attack by this jerk.
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