Right-Wing Religious Leaders: Out Of Touch With Their Congregations On Contraception
Right-Wing Religious Leaders: Out Of Touch With Their Congregations On Contraception
The Bush administration has consistently increased funding for abstinence-only groups and public schools across the nation are being forced to push abstinence in sex education classes.
According to Russell Shorto in last week’s New York Times Magazine cover story, Contra-Contraception, these developments are a result of right-wing religious leaders’ growing influence on politics and public policy. He noted that according to these religious leaders, contraception “encourages sexual promiscuity, sexual deviance (like homosexuality) and a preoccupation with sex that is unhealthful even within marriage.â€
What Shorto misses is the extent to which Catholics and evangelical Christians themselves use contraception. Here is the latest data:
88 percent of Catholic women currently use birth control, roughly the same rate as other Americans. [Catholics for a Free Choice]
70 percent of evangelical women are sexually active and don’t wish to become pregnant. 90 percent of these women use birth control. [2002 National Survey of Family Growth]
Clearly, these women recognize what their religious leaders do not: that responsible sexual activity is a normal and healthy part of life; that not every sexual act is intended for reproduction; and that preventing unintended pregnancy – by using contraception – is a responsible, moral decision. Now if only our public officials would come to the same conclusion.
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This is true. It’s the right-wing religous leaders that are crazy. The people listening to them are just normal people. And they don’t always do everything they are told.
May 14th, 2006 at 4:54 pmHypocrisy says it all for the far-right American Taliban religious leaders!
May 14th, 2006 at 5:00 pmThese people are the ones who should use birth control.
May 14th, 2006 at 5:03 pmAt the urging of the far right, Bill Frist, the famous TV doctor, has promised that the next bill put forth in the Senate, will once again be the gay marriage bill.
It will never reach the floor for a vote Frist, that is how confident I am in Reids ability to stonewall you and your ilk.
May 14th, 2006 at 5:17 pmtrue fundies truly don’t really care about the women in their “flocks”…..all they truly care about is power and money
May 14th, 2006 at 5:25 pmI live in MA, the only state to recognize Gay Marriage.
May 14th, 2006 at 5:26 pmBelieve me folks, it’s no big deal. (except of course to the people who actually get to have equal rights -gasp!)
Nothing has changed.
We haven’t imploded.
There are no freaks running amok on our streets.
Just loving people, finally able to cement a loving relationship.
These are the same people that bomb abortion clinics, shove their beliefs up peoples asses (among other things) and are out of touch with REALITY. PERIOD.
May 14th, 2006 at 5:26 pmLet’s face it , people like to screw , people from all walks of life , people from all religions it make no differrence . But not everybody want babies , come on catholics , don’t you have enough kids . Obviously 88% catholic women do . So hey guys just like the old coach used to say ” keep running that play till you get it right ” and to you women a good defence will be a good offence .
May 14th, 2006 at 5:29 pmWe need more infantry soldier I dont believe in birth control, we need these kids to pay taxes and protect america from Imaginary threats from the muslim world we are on a crusade to outbread these arabs , we desperately need more infantry
May 14th, 2006 at 5:47 pmMy Dad avocated a knee to the groin as the best method of birth control for my sisters when they went out on a date. He also gave them a dime so that they could call and not have to walk home.
May 14th, 2006 at 5:50 pmI think the extremists are trying to precipitate a population explosion of fundamentalists in America.
Oh no, quite a few of them will end up with AIDS won’t they?
May 14th, 2006 at 6:00 pmConsidering that most if not all of those who are opposed to contraception on religious grounds also belong to the camp which believes in “intelligent design” and disputes the existence of evolution, the fact that they believe sex is solely for procreation demonstrates that they are utterly ignorant when it comes to zoology. There is at least one species of animal — the Bonobo chimpanzee — which not only engages in sexual activity for other reasons than reproduction, but is promiscuous to a degree which by comparison would make even the most dedicated Casanova look like a Trappist monk. Now, intelligent design would suggest that God created them this way — which would in turn suggest that God is not opposed to the idea of engaging in sexual behavior for other reasons than procreation. If it comes to that, intelligent design also fails utterly to explain why human beings are able to procreate at virtually any time instead of going into season as the majority of higher mammals do — nor does it satisfactorily explain why human females possess an organ which to all appearances serves no useful purpose other than to provide pleasure during sexual activity, since procreation can quite easily take place without it. Finally, it doesn’t address the question of why most married couples continue to engage in sexual activity even after both partners have passed the age at which conception is likely or even biologically possible. The two theories of intelligent design and sex-for-procreation only are quite simply irreconcilable logically — you either have to believe that the freedom of human and Bonobo sexuality is an aberration (which contradicts the theory of intelligent design, or at least an omnipotent God) or you have to believe that God did not intend sexuality to be limited to procreation (since this would mean that even a married couple engaging in sexual activity past the age of 50 or so is engaging in sin — obviously, no one has seen fit to inform Bob Dole of this!).
May 14th, 2006 at 6:11 pm#10 – Bluestocking,
May 14th, 2006 at 6:33 pmViagra merely serves to turn on a switch that nature turned off. Actually EDS defeats a process designed by natural selection that insures that defective sperm are not delivered to reproductive females. That switch is a variation of the process in other species that insures that offspring are not born into conditions that they could not survive. Those males not possessing that switch are mostly extinct.
Repost,
May 14th, 2006 at 6:40 pm#10 – Bluestocking,
Viagra merely serves to turn on a switch that nature popped off. Actually EDS is a process designed by natural selection that insures that defective sperm are not delivered to reproductive females. That switch is a variation of the process in other species that insures that offspring are not born into conditions that they could not survive. Those males not possessing that switch are mostly extinct.
“Clearly, these women recognize what their religious leaders do not: that responsible sexual activity is a normal and healthy part of life”
the use of “religious leader”, “sexual activity”, and “normal and healthy part of life” in the same sentence is absolutely ludicrous. Being a religious leader by definition means that the person has no notion of normal, every day (or almost every day), healthy sex.
Why would anyone ever expect a religious leader to have any sane knowledge of sex? That would be like expecting the bushliar-criminal to be a successful business man, or a success at anything for that matter.
May 14th, 2006 at 6:50 pm.
I cannot stop laughing. Truly, these anti-contraceptive people should not be allowed to reproduce. Why do I say that? They believe that contraceptive usage encourages ’sexual deviancy’ (homosexuality)??? Ummm… HELLO!! Not bloody likely! That is SO damn funny. Those goofy bast*rds! Too funny.
May 14th, 2006 at 6:59 pmWith six billion plus and growing, nobody is working too hard at contraception.
May 14th, 2006 at 7:13 pmhey shira,
are you single? let’s get busy!!
May 14th, 2006 at 8:23 pm#6- You should have added the fact that
May 14th, 2006 at 8:53 pmMassachusetts also has the lowest
divorce rate of all the states.
Just loving people, finally able to cement a loving relationship.
Comment by trueblue — May 14, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
I’ve begun to wonder if that isn’t the opposition to it. Other people being something that they themselves are not – happy. Let’s just make everyone as miserable as those on the far right. Then, perhaps they will be happy… Nah. They’ll just find something else.
May 14th, 2006 at 9:07 pmI heard, I think, that the new Pope has ordered a new study on the use of contraceptives in regard to the spread of AIDS. Thought that was pretty bold, until I realized that the last Pope was still living in the pre-Renaissance Dark Ages in terms of human behavior and the equality of women. Should be interesting to see how he responds to the results, because if they are accurate, then papal infallability will be his next concern…
May 14th, 2006 at 9:14 pmIf Jesus truly said that religion is between a person and their god, then why does religion need leaders at all?
Could be why the fail to recognize any of the stuff he really said…
So much easier to be an atheist. Really. My life really is significantly happier and less stressful without the constant threat of eternal damnation and all that judgmental, holier-than-thou, unrealistical expectations jazz. You don’t need Jesus to be moral.
May 14th, 2006 at 9:19 pmYou don’t need religion tom believe in God.
May 14th, 2006 at 9:21 pmThe real reason they’re against contraception is because they don’t want whites to be the minority.
Procreation Not Recreation
May 14th, 2006 at 9:48 pmThursday, May 11, 2006
By John Gibson
“Twenty-five years and the majority population is Hispanic. Why is that? Hispanics are having more kids and others, notably the ones Hispanics call gabachos — white people — are having fewer.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,195193,00.html
#6- You should have added the fact that
Massachusetts also has the lowest
divorce rate of all the states.
Comment by EL CHUPACABRA
Not a fact that I knew! Good One!
(I am of the Kate Hepburn view of male/female relationships: Men and women should live next door to each other, and just visit once on a while.)
I also want to add that my parents were good practicing Catholics — UNTIL my mom had 6 kids in 7 years!
It was THEN that they broke with the Church!
It just doesn’t work.
Thank “whomever” that I have taught my daughter otherwise. She’s 16 and although really pretty, has resisted boys to focus on other things.
May 14th, 2006 at 9:53 pmYou Go, My Daughter!!!!
Walttheman (I doubt it)
“Viagra merely serves to turn on a switch that nature popped off. Actually EDS is a process designed by natural selection that insures that defective sperm are not delivered to reproductive females. That switch is a variation of the process in other species that insures that offspring are not born into conditions that they could not survive. Those males not possessing that switch are mostly extinct.”
If the sperm are defective what does that have to do with cardiac disfunction or other casues of EDS. You are SOOO talking out your ass. If this was a switch, why is BOB even here then? He should have not even been born, because his daddy could not get it up either.
May 14th, 2006 at 9:57 pmSo, answer the sex after 50 question you ID pretzel logic twister.
Even in fully intact people, why should they have the ability to have sex AFTER menopause? If GAWD put the ability to have sex here for PROCREATION ONLY.
Also, another question, why do the animals have similar sex organs, making it easy for interspecies sex or beatiality? I mean if GAWD made the species, and their ability to procreate, then GAWD would surely have made it so that job 1 could be fully perfomed ONLY within the species, that is the point of sex, procreation. SO why the similarities across species and even familes of animals?
George H. W. Bush should have practiced
May 14th, 2006 at 10:08 pmabstinence. Instead they had a moron to
torture our souls.
“…public schools across the nation are being forced to push abstinence in sex education classes.”
Abstinence isn’t such a bad thing to teach. Most kids are physically ready for sex long before they’re ready to handle the emotional aspects, and many of those who engage at young ages regret that they did it for reasons they later feel weren’t the right reasons. The problem is expecting abstinence to work, because it only works until it doesn’t. As part of a complete discussion that includes contraception and prevention of disease, however, I think it’s appropriate.
May 14th, 2006 at 10:13 pmGreat piece all… Thanks for posting this.
May 14th, 2006 at 10:21 pmWhaaaa? Contraception encourages homosexuality? Where does that come from? Weirdos.
All contraception ever encouraged in me was confidence that I wasn’t going to have a child I couldn’t afford to raise.
If there’s a god, he/she’d be a pretty sick bastard to have sex feel so FANTASTIC, and then require us not to engage. F*ck that — literally and figuratively.
Maybe if these weirdos got some f*cking done, they’d be able to relax a bit. Just sayin’
May 14th, 2006 at 10:34 pm#24 – Wretched Refuse,
May 14th, 2006 at 10:34 pmOnly an observation in that the number of birth defects and still-births statistically increase exponentially after the male partner turns 59. For females, it is 43, but they (the females) do most of the work.
A divine being has little or nothing to do with the process. Our genome can be found in plants, bacteria and single celled animals (Not all the same sequences, but the fragments are there.)
Species cannot freely commingle because their genetic sequences vary by a tad or two, different chromosome counts, different DNA sequences, etc. Somewhat like the difference between ASCII and EBCDIC. Both support representation for a very similar character set, but are not compatible.
beep52, I agree teaching abstinence is a good thing, but the issue is teaching abstinence-only contraception, leaving childred uneducated and unprepared to deal with unwanted pregnencies, STDs, etc., when the time comes. Not teaching teens to be responsible is wholely irresponsible.
May 14th, 2006 at 10:44 pmWhy should we be surprised. The most wild girls (and boys) in school were always the Catholic girls & boys. They may be hung over but their parents saw to it that they were in church on Sunday morning. It might have been the back pews, heads bent over, andlooking a little gray, but their bodies were there. People say they hate and distrust the government because of bureaucracy, but on the other hand have no problem with dictorial religious bureaucracies that have no transparency, operate in secrecy, and a few white old men controlling everything. Did Jesus want mega-churches? God gave us wide open spaces, mountains, streams, trees, plants, and plains, where we could worship for free amongst his creations.
Look at the way the Catholic church handled the child molesters… they are all about old men controlling our lives… not so much in God’s vision but their own. And these are the guys who want to tell us how, when, and for what purposes in our own homes, in our own bedrooms.
The WHO, “Where More Women Use Family Planning, Fewer Newborns Die”.
Anyone that denies women contraception and the ability to control her own life is sentencing her to major economic and social problems and making her a second class citizen, like the Taliban. Education is empowerment! National Geographic showed a tribe in the Amazon. The women use a natural organic material for controlling family planning. They don’t tell the men in the tribe. This is the way they have lived and survived for hundreds of years.
NYT has had a series of articles on contraception and the religious fundamentalists. Their agenda is to go into our bedrooms and tell us when and how, and make it criminal otherwise. I can empathize with the religious fundamentals to a point, but their means are only going to hurt a lot of adults and kids, and they’ll create a underground blackmarket (How’d prohibition work?) Take a look at the NYT article on El Salvador and criminalizing abortion which is what the Republican party and Religious right wants to do.
The Religious Right and Republican party want to attack a symptom without addressing the root causes, so we end up with the worse of all situations.
“A 2006 Save the Children report revealed that among 33 industrialized nations the United States ranks next to last in its newborn mortality rate, tied with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with a death rate of nearly 5 per 1,000. Japan had the lowest newborn death rate with 1.8 per 1,000; Liberia the highest with 65.”
May 15th, 2006 at 1:27 amThere is an article that I read the other day from “The Onion”, about a new “anti-abortion” drug, called “UR-86″, that the pro-life supporters can give to women who may be considering terminating a pregnancy. The pill would cause the woman to be rendered comatose, actually brain dead, so that she can be on life support until a child is born, at which point the pill would release a second, lethal dose of the drug that put her into the coma, thereby punishing the “sinner”, and ’saving’ the child at the same time. It was funny, but just a wee bit scary also. You don’t want to give them any ideas, they cause enough havoc as it is. I used to have a little window sign in my car, that I think pretty much sums up my feelings about all of those who would dictate their “moral values” be the law of the land. It read, “Don’t let your mind wander, it’s much to little to be let out alone.” ;)
May 15th, 2006 at 5:54 amIf there’s a god, he/she’d be a pretty sick bastard to have sex feel so FANTASTIC, and then require us not to engage. F*ck that — literally and figuratively.
Comment by Zookeeper — May 14, 2006 @ 10:34 pm
That’s one of my complaints about religion and patriarchal interpretations of god(s) – that they expect us to live by very unrealistic and non-human standards.
In nature, sex is a survival of the species urge that is inherent. Why would a creator create that urge and then make it a sin? Doesn’t sound like a very smart creator – and frankly and creator would have to be brilliant beyond our ability to understand to begin with – so, if there’s a god(s), they don’t monitor sexual behavior.
Showing them the effects of STDs – physically (amazing what images you can find on the internet) – wakes them up to the notion that if they are going to do it, they should protect themselves.
May 15th, 2006 at 7:42 amCyra,
I love the Onion. Those guys are brilliant. Scary sometimes how much so – as you pointed out.
Funny how the ‘Pro-Life’ communitity is only really pro-embryo, pro-fetus, pro-white babies, and pro-their own children (whom they can berrate and beat to make compliant, but don’t dare anyone else say a cross word to the always bratty little ‘precious buttercup’ or mom and dad become psychotic demons). When it comes to all other forms of life – they want them declared permanently evil and killed. Bunch of vile hypocrites who pick and choose from the Bible to fit their whims and their behavior – while condemning others to make themselves feel morally superior. It should be declared a mental disease :)
May 15th, 2006 at 7:49 amFunny how the ‘Pro-Life’ communitity is only really pro-embryo, pro-fetus, pro-white babies, and pro-their own children (whom they can berrate and beat to make compliant, but don’t dare anyone else say a cross word to the always bratty little ‘precious buttercup’ or mom and dad become psychotic demons). When it comes to all other forms of life – they want them declared permanently evil and killed. Bunch of vile hypocrites who pick and choose from the Bible to fit their whims and their behavior – while condemning others to make themselves feel morally superior. It should be declared a mental disease.
I’m a pro-life person and I agree with your criticism. I don’t agree with abortion, capital punishment, or anything that takes life away. It’s not a very popular view to be against both it seems, suprising.
There are no freaks running amok on our streets.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:23 amWhat do you call Teddy K?
I don’t agree with abortion, capital punishment, or anything that takes life away.
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 8:23 am
Just curious – human life only? Or all other forms of life?
May 15th, 2006 at 8:28 amWhat do you call Teddy K?
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 8:23 am
Senator. Same as the rest – on both sides of the partisan fence.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:29 am#36
Human life only.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:39 amIsn’t it the Rightwing christians (mostly in Utah, that love Bubble boy) that have multiple wive?
Isn’t one of these freaks on America’s Most Wanted list?
How’s that for morals.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:39 amHuman life only.
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 8:39 am
Why?
May 15th, 2006 at 8:42 am#39
Mormons.
Can’t judge a whole group of people based on one being on the most wanted list, otherwise I think the atheist’s probably take the cake. But yeah, they’re freaks :)
May 15th, 2006 at 8:44 amI think the atheist’s probably take the cake. But yeah, they’re freaks :)
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 8:44 am
Proof?
There are, in terms of percentages, significantly fewer Atheists in prison than religious folks.
We’re normal people. We just don’t believe in things for which there is no proof. Hardly makes us insane, much less criminal, to use logic and reason instead of blind faith in things that probably don’t exist.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:50 am“according to these religious leaders, contraception “encourages sexual promiscuity, sexual deviance (like homosexuality) and a preoccupation with sex that is unhealthful even within marriage.†”
It is a fact that since the development of the pill women have become more like predatory males and less like my sainted mother. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that if you take away the consequences of an act the act becomes meaningless and if the act itself is immoral then immorality grows by leaps and bounds. In addition birth control within a marriage puts the choice of having children in the hand of immature and selfish people thus our declining birth rate and dependence upon immigration. Not only that but motherhood itself becomes less valuable. Nation’s whose women become selfish whores instead of caring mothers die. Look at Europe and tell me it isn’t so.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:51 amMaybe we should go back to the Bible and see what Paul says about sex:
3The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. 4The wife’s body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband’s body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. 5Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6I say this as a concession, not as a command.
That’s 1 Corinthians 7 3-6. Basically, even then they knew that sex was a very natural thing between two people, and NOT a sexual deviation. Heck – he tells us to go to bed often to keep from immorality of affairs and such. So again, the religious right interpret the Word they way THEY want to promote THEIR thoughts.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:53 amIt is a fact that since the development of the pill women have become more like predatory males and less like my sainted mother.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — May 15, 2006 @ 8:51 am
Fact? That requires proof. I’ve yet to see you provide any that isn’t biased (from a source who uses it to promote its own causes).
Look, expect for humans, all other animals have sex at will. And unlike humans they don’t have the sexual problems we do. Why exactly do you think that is?
May 15th, 2006 at 8:54 amI speak to you regarding contraceptives.
These diabolical devices are responsible for many of the world’s ills; they encourage homosexuality, and ultra-marital sex. I implore all Americans to stop using these devices, not only could they drive you toward homosexuality, they may also cause sexually transmitted diseases.
Rev. Davies
May 15th, 2006 at 8:56 amIdaho
Maybe we should go back to the Bible and see what Paul says about sex:
Comment by Jeff — May 15, 2006 @ 8:53 am
Only 33% of the world uses the Bible as a frame of reference. And even then, most, in my experience, pick and choose which parts to use as makes tehir lives most easiest – others be damned.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:56 amWhy?
Well tough question. Let’s clairify a little bit. I have no problem with death and people dying. I just don’t think it should be a part of our punishment for domestic crimes. As awful as it may be, killing has understandibly always been part of humankind’s existence. We should seek to limit it. I don’t shed any tears for people being executed, I just disagree with it.
As far as caring only about humans goes (and it is not that exclusive but we’ll say for the argument that it is) it comes down to doing what is best for the individual, even at the expense of an animal. It’s the circle of life, always has been. We became meat eaters through evolution. One can have compassion for a dying animal while at the same time eating it’s mother.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:58 amWhy?
Well tough question. Let’s clairify a little bit. I have no problem with death and people dying. I just don’t think it should be a part of our punishment for domestic crimes. As awful as it may be, killing has understandibly always been part of humankind’s existence. We should seek to limit it. I don’t shed any tears for people being executed, I just disagree with it.
As far as caring only about humans goes (and it is not that exclusive but we’ll say for the argument that it is) it comes down to doing what is best for the individual, even at the expense of an animal. It’s the circle of life, always has been. We became meat eaters through evolution. One can have compassion for a dying animal while at the same time eating its mother.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:59 amI implore all Americans to stop using these devices, not only could they drive you toward homosexuality, they may also cause sexually transmitted diseases.
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 8:56 am
Homosexuality is a result of birth. If you would talk to people who are gay, you would know. People don’t WANT to be gay.
If there is a god, he made them homosexual. Stop questioning your god. According to you, it’s a terrible thing to do.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:00 amOne of the indispensable features of any religion is control over sex – who can have it with whom, who the faithful can marry, etc. This serves several purposes. One, struggling against a primal force like the sex drive teaches the faithful humility, and makes them that much more pliable to the demands of the religious leaders. Two, failure in the struggle induces despair, and gives the religious leaders the power of forgiveness (readmission into the community). Three, by controlling sexual partners, the religious leaders control the breeding of the worker class (kings and the wealthy find exemptions from these rules at all times in history). Four, by limiting contraception, women become baby machines, and are kept busy raising the next generation of disciples/fighters (it’s always a power strategy for a community of people to keep the babies coming, especially in the time of poor hygeine and high infant death rates).
Sex is at the core of any major religion’s power structure, and any challenge to a hierarchy’s power is going to get a reaction like this. The recent spittle-flecked remarks of James Dobson are a perfect example. Contraception negates their preferred way of maintaining power over their followers. The best response is patience and the confident presentation of the correct information.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:01 amNumber 50, you are wrong. Homosexuality is a disease, like leprosy. It is a mental disease, and it is destroying America. It is the fault of not only those ungodly people, it is also the fault of their fathers.
God made Adam and Eve 4000 years ago, and in six days, not Adam and Steve.
I am teaching my parish homosexuality is a disease, and it is a liberal oriented illness.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:03 amLook, expect for humans, all other animals have sex at will. And unlike humans they don’t have the sexual problems we do. Why exactly do you think that is?
They don’t use contraceptives?
May 15th, 2006 at 9:03 amOne can have compassion for a dying animal while at the same time eating its mother.
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 8:59 am
I’m both an Atheist and a vegan. I try not to kill any life that I don’t have to. It’s my personal morality. Which, frankly, is higher than Christian morality.
I agree that humans became human by eating meat. But, having a conscious, and in knowing that taking a life is a serious thing, I don’t know how we can exclude all other lifeforms simply because we can. Just my own beliefs.
Birth control allows people to keep themselves out of a situation where they have to make the choice whether or not to take a life (I don’t think it’s conscious life until end of the pregnancy. Bible though, says that life begins at breath – which is birth).
So, as long as religion teaches people to avoid birth control, there will be abortion. Because you cannot stop sex :).
May 15th, 2006 at 9:10 amI am teaching my parish homosexuality is a disease, and it is a liberal oriented illness.
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:03 am
I am not wrong. I have had and have friends who were born gay. They wish they weren’t because of intolerate and judgmental people like you. But, they are who they are, just as much as you are who you are.
God must be very ashamed of you for focusing your efforts on hurting his children by excluding them and deriding them.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:13 amSo, as long as religion teaches people to avoid birth control, there will be abortion. Because you cannot stop sex :).
You can have no birth control and no abortion, they’re not mutually exclusive. In fact those are the conditions most of humankind’s existence occured.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:14 amI am not wrong. I have had and have friends who were born gay. They wish they weren’t because of intolerate and judgmental people like you. But, they are who they are, just as much as you are who you are.
I know retards who wish they weren’t retarted too.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:17 amThey don’t use contraceptives?
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 9:03 am
Nor abortion. But we do and there are still 6.3 billion people on the planet. No other animals are upsetting the natural balance by over population. Again – why?
The forbidden fruit is, after all, the sweetest. You make most people want something by telling them they cannot have it, or that it is immoral.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:17 amWell ‘unbelievable’, I’m sure your friends will pay their time in Hell.
This is a disease, nobody is born gay. I will challenge any genetics based science in this regard. Why is that? Because the BIBLE says otherwise. THe Bible overrides any extra understanding as to our world.
We as Americans must learn to hate all homosexuals, and liberals. They are all diseases. I will happily promote a culture of hatred toward these people, as God has asked me to. I am an ordained priest, and therefore I am correct. I believe I represent all of real America under the Republican party.
Rev Davies.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:19 amYou can have no birth control and no abortion, they’re not mutually exclusive. In fact those are the conditions most of humankind’s existence occured.
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 9:14 am
I didn’t suggest they were. Don’t spin what I say. It makes you look incapable of debating on merits.
I was a wanted child. That’s more the hope – that consious beings can decide.
Lemme ask – because I find that lily white people from lily white homes never understand that an unwanted child is not a wonderful existence. From where do you get your perspective?
May 15th, 2006 at 9:21 amI know retards who wish they weren’t retarted too.
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 9:17 am
Exactly! They can’t help being retarded any more than a gay person can help being gay. It’s a condition of birth and not choice.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:22 amAs a geneticist, I can tell you that homosexuality is genetic. That enought for u rev davies? come to my lab, and I will spend days showing u slide of chromosome after chromosome to prove it to you.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:26 amBecause the BIBLE says otherwise. THe Bible overrides any extra understanding as to our world.
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:19 am
All you have is blind faith, Reverend. The rest of us have proof of billions and billions of years of Evolution.
If there’s a Hell – come say hello to me there? Because the Bible also says judge not lest ye be judged.
You pick and choose what you want to apply.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:26 amNo it’s not. The BIBLE will override all your JUNK SCIENCE!!!
On the subject, there is no such thing as global warming either. Also, how dare you people claim life exists on other planets? It is on EARTH only!!
There is no evidence of evolution, nor global warming. THe earth was created 4000 years ago, and no life has ever evolved. Have you got that, ’scientist’?
Rev. Davies
May 15th, 2006 at 9:29 amIdaho
I know retards who wish they weren’t retarted too.
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 9:17 am
Exactly! They can’t help being retarded any more than a gay person can help being gay. It’s a condition of birth and not choice.
Not a choice, yet still a disease.
I was a wanted child. That’s more the hope – that consious beings can decide.
Lemme ask – because I find that lily white people from lily white homes never understand that an unwanted child is not a wonderful existence. From where do you get your perspective?
I certainly fit the description of lily white.
You can have no birth control and no abortion, they’re not mutually exclusive.
I didn’t suggest they were. Don’t spin what I say. It makes you look incapable of debating on merits.
Yes, you did.
as long as … people … avoid birth control, there will be abortion. Because you cannot stop sex :).
Comment by unbelievable — May 15, 2006 @ 9:10 am
May 15th, 2006 at 9:32 amThe world is no more than 4000 years old, ‘unbelievable’. Prove to me that it is older! I’ve got you there!
Rev Davies
May 15th, 2006 at 9:34 amThere is no evidence of evolution, nor global warming. THe earth was created 4000 years ago, and no life has ever evolved. Have you got that, ’scientist’?
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:29 am
Yes there is. TONS of it. What there’s no proof for is your god. You wanna call a book piece-mealed together by some heat-stroked desert dwellers as proof, that’s your choice. Just don’t expect rational people to be as ignorant to the world we actually live in. Because we don’t ascribe to your authority, or your 16 versions of Bibles.
The earth is actually 4.6 billion years old. The sun is close to 5.5 and the Universe is about 13.7.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:35 amNot a choice, yet still a disease.
You obviously know nothing about which you speak either. Mental retardation is NOT disease. Mental illnesses are diseases. Big difference between the two catagories. I suggest you do some research to find out.
I certainly fit the description of lily white.
How’d I know? You have no personal frame of reference. That makes you ignorant.
Yes, you did.
Comment by bhealy — May 15, 2006 @ 9:32 am
I’m too mature to play that game.
Have any facts to offer or just opinion?
May 15th, 2006 at 9:38 amNo, it’s 4000 years old. I am a certified man of God, and so I know the truth.
I will happily discredit all that evidence. There is no evidence to prove your assertions.
Rev Davies
May 15th, 2006 at 9:39 amThe world is no more than 4000 years old, ‘unbelievable’. Prove to me that it is older! I’ve got you there!
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:34 am
Go visit the Grand Canyon. It’s a great example of millions of years of erosion explosing millions of years of life, in strata and not ’soup’ like the fallacy called the Flood suggests.
Now prove to me there is a god.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:41 amI am a certified man of God, and so I know the truth.
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:39 am
I don’t recognize you as anymore credible on the subject than any other human, so to me, that does not make you valid.
Prove there is a god. You cannot.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:42 amI commend bhealy, he shall go to heaven! I support his hatred of ‘unbelievable’. This is spoken by God. Any man who supports, shall live!!
Rev. Davies
May 15th, 2006 at 9:43 amDoes anyone expect a Religion to be Changed based on a Poll?
May 15th, 2006 at 9:45 amThere is a God, unbelievable, as the BIBLE says there is.
I do not wish to speak with you any more, as you are clearly a homosexual, negro liberal. I think of you as Sodom. I think you should go and live in Russia with the Communists, or in Iran with Al-Qaeda.
Rev Davies.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:45 amI commend bhealy, he shall go to heaven! I support his hatred of ‘unbelievable’. This is spoken by God. Any man who supports, shall live!!
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:43 am
You are quite full of yourself. You don’t command anything. And you still haven’t proven that there is a god, “Reverend”. I’m still here. And will be here long after you.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:47 amProve beyond all doubt there is not!
I damn you for all eternity!
Rev Davies
May 15th, 2006 at 9:49 amI am sure you cannot prove beyond all doubt there is no God!
May 15th, 2006 at 9:50 amThere is a God, unbelievable, as the BIBLE says there is.
Again – that is NOT proof. It’s why it’s called faith (lack of proof) Which Bible, by the way? There are 16 versions. You people can’t even agree on what your god said.
I do not wish to speak with you any more, as you are clearly a homosexual, negro liberal.
I’m a straight, white woman. Left of center, as I have some conservative views. As usual, you’re not much of a man of anything if you can’t even tell my skin color, gender and sexual preference.
I think of you as Sodom. I think you should go and live in Russia with the
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:45 am
In this country, what you think does not matter. You can thank a group of liberal dead founding fathers for establishing that freedom. If anyone is unhappy here, it is you. You do not belief in life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness for all. Just those of your choosing. Not very Christian of you. Jesus must be appalled.
And you still have offered zero proof of your god.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:52 amI am sure you cannot prove beyond all doubt there is no God!
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:50 am
Don’t be absurd. You can’t prove a negative. Would be like asking you to prove there aren’t invisible flying unicorns. You can’t.
You have to prove there is.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:53 amDoes anyone expect a Religion to be Changed based on a Poll?
Comment by S.D. — May 15, 2006 @ 9:45 am
If facts don’t change it, I doubt opinion would.
It’s partly why they are having a very hard time recruiting new priests in the Catholic church. It’s too out of touch with reality.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:56 amI do not wish to speak to you. I command only people republican people, and you are not one of the chosen ones. We shall rule! The next president will be supported by a bold new movement. Mark my words, the next President of the United States will be Jerry Falwell, with Richard Perle as VP. Rumsfeld in State, John Bolten in Defence, Anne Coulter as National Security Advisor. Tom DeLay as Attorney General, and Sam Brownback as Homeland Security.
Rev Davies
May 15th, 2006 at 9:56 amI damn you for all eternity!
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:49 am
It’s not your call.
May 15th, 2006 at 9:57 amI do not wish to speak to you.
Comment by Rev. Paul Davies — May 15, 2006 @ 9:56 am
Because you have ZERO proof of your god? I already knew that.
So, then stop speaking to me. I’m simply responding to your posts.
May 15th, 2006 at 10:00 amLol either Rev. Davies is an ignorant fascist Bush loving fool or using extremely dark sarcasm?! Davies if you believe what you spew on here, then you are going to Hell for the harm you wish on others!
May 15th, 2006 at 10:01 amDavies if you believe what you spew on here, then you are going to Hell for the harm you wish on others!
Comment by Jay Randal — May 15, 2006 @ 10:01 am
I think he’s the latter. People who are joking eventually say so… :)
Things must be getting extremely desperate for the extreme right. People want proof. They’ve been burned by blind faith once too often and want more than “Because I said that god said so”. Can’t blame them.
May 15th, 2006 at 10:07 amRev. Paul Davies You are out of touch with the American people. There is no way that we will have a Republican President. You are sleeping.
The Dems will take over both houses in November and Old Bushie and his Admin. will be impeached.
You are a disgrace to your church.
Women have a right to use birth control and you should keep your nose out of their business.
May 15th, 2006 at 10:08 amRev. Paul Davis,
May 15th, 2006 at 10:22 amCheck your sources. According to the Bible, creation occurred the week of October 18 to 24, 4004 B.C..
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/85
Things must be getting extremely desperate for the extreme right. People want proof. They’ve been burned by blind faith once too often and want more than “Because I said that god said soâ€. Can’t blame them.
Comment by unbelievable
Not so. People of faith are never blind or desperate. If you ax me the real desperation is coming from the left who see their blind faith in a failed system has left them defenseless in a dark world filled with lions and tigers and bears…Oh my!
May 15th, 2006 at 10:50 amNot so. People of faith are never blind or desperate.
See, you’re so blind and desperate you can’t even see it :).
Then prove there is a god. You cannot. Hence it is called blind faith. Not my terms. They are what you guys call it.
If you ax me the real desperation is coming from the left who see their blind faith in a failed system has left them defenseless in a dark world filled with lions and tigers and bears…Oh my!
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — May 15, 2006 @ 10:50 am
I keep telling you that I am not afraid. At what point do you finally believe me?
No lions and tigers in Georgia outside the zoos. And what few bears are in the mountains. But if you make enough noise while hiking, you don’t see them. See, knowledge debunks fear. Don’t have to take my word for it. Try it yourself. :)
May 15th, 2006 at 10:59 amRev Davies sounds like he could be from Idaho, but I think he’s just an idiot troll who’s been messing with you. ;)
Rev Davies, are you in Mountain Home?
May 15th, 2006 at 11:40 amReligion is a massive con. Why do you think Faith (IE: A willingness to believe something highly improbable, from a suspect source with no corroborating evidence; Faith is also known as gullibility) is so central to most of them?
May 15th, 2006 at 11:42 amRev Davies sounds like he could be from Idaho, but I think he’s just an idiot troll who’s been messing with you. ;)
Comment by Zookeeper — May 15, 2006 @ 11:40 am
I thought you lived in the South? People like this guy exist, whether or not he is real (I think he was real or he would have kept going, and would have been a bit of a real antagonist). Just testing my debate skills. It’s actually entertaining to see how many I can battle at the same time. :)
I’ve been to Mountain Home. Either there or somewhere near Pocatello :)
May 15th, 2006 at 11:47 amFaith (IE: A willingness to believe something highly improbable, from a suspect source with no corroborating evidence; Faith is also known as gullibility)
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 15, 2006 @ 11:42 am
That pretty much summarizes the conclusion I came to myself when I decided to start questioning my religious beliefs (was raised Christian). That there was little possibility that religion was anything more than obsolete tradition passed on because many people do not like to admit that life is finite.
May 15th, 2006 at 11:50 am#94 – I thought you lived in the South?
Nope, I live way up north where the rivers run red (as Squeegy put it so poetically). I goggled Rev Davies and a Paul Davies came up in Mountain Home, which I think is south of Boise. I thought it might kick in the paranoia.
May 15th, 2006 at 12:03 pmwhich I think is south of Boise. I thought it might kick in the paranoia.
Comment by Zookeeper — May 15, 2006 @ 12:03 pm
Mtn. Home is east and somewhat south of Boise. About 45 miles I think. Along the main highway (forgot the number).
I thought you said that you had once lived in the South?
May 15th, 2006 at 12:16 pm#97 – I thought you said that you had once lived in the South?
I once lived in Louisiana, heart of Cajun country, that’s where Zoo Jr #1 was born. I never lived in southern Idaho, if that’s what you mean.
May 15th, 2006 at 12:29 pmI once lived in Louisiana, heart of Cajun country, that’s where Zoo Jr #1 was born. I never lived in southern Idaho, if that’s what you mean.
Comment by Zookeeper — May 15, 2006 @ 12:29 pm
I’d say that Louisiana qualifies as part of the Bible Belt – which was my attempted reference in regard to Reverend Paul ‘Sun’ Davies this a.m.
I haven’t been to Moscow – but know where it is. Had planned to get up there, but just didn’t get to squeeze it in before I left. Idaho is a very beautiful state. So few people seem to know.
May 15th, 2006 at 12:33 pmTalk about a slow news week! News flash: Christians have sex and some use contraception! WOW! After that revelation I bet the pews will be empty next Sunday and then they will allow gay marriage! The hypocrisy! They can’t help but submit to the liberal agenda because they use a condom! How long will it take for the Pope to dissolve the Catholic Church? FYI this is not exactly a Cardinal sin and I am pretty sure you can still take communion on Sunday.
May 15th, 2006 at 12:34 pm#100 – Wow. You missed the point completely. Why am I not surprised?
May 15th, 2006 at 12:44 pm[...] It is not significant in the way the Think Progress thinks it is. They make the claim that right wing Christians have sex, using contraceptives even. Wow. Hypocritical? No. In their view having sex within marriage is not only good—it keeps the marriage intact—it is their right. They have been faithful and abstinent until marriage and now they are entitled. Of course, they are not all faithful and they have not all be abstinent until marriage, but that is not the point. [...]
May 15th, 2006 at 12:45 pmSex is not significant in the way the Think Progress thinks it is. They make the claim that right wing Christians have sex, using contraceptives even. Wow. Hypocritical? No. In their view having sex within marriage is not only good—it keeps the marriage intact—it is their right. They have been faithful and abstinent until marriage and now they are entitled. Of course, they are not all faithful and they have not all be abstinent until marriage, but that is not the point.
They claim to be and they are therefore part of a group of people that are in the position to decide who is right and who is wrong. That is what is crucially important. Certain people, in their view, are simply morally not in the position to speak up and let their voice be heard in society. Sexuality is a crucial yard stick for them to decide who is and who is not entitled to a social voice. If you are gay, had an abortion, don’t have qualms about sex before marriage, if you don’t want to get married, you are not someone who is having sex and therefore deprived. You are someone who should be silenced, made dead in the eyes of society. Sex works not because we are afraid of sex, but because we are afraid to be killed, even if only socially.
Sexual Politics Blog.
May 15th, 2006 at 12:48 pm88% of Catholics use birth control…to me this is amazing and then it is not.
I am a Protestant who married a Catholic woman. I don’t how many Protestants are familiar with the Pre-Cana courses that are required to get married in a Catholic Church. But, these classes teach natural family planning, which after sitting through 6 hours of these classes was a complete joke. Four couples with 5+ children (with 3 of the couples with another child on the way, and one couple with 10 children) claiming that each and every one of these children were planned to perfection using this system. I will say this is an obvious lie, because these types of systems have been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to work with the same frequency of the withdrawal method. My wife was appalled at the literature that was handed out in these classes; testimonies declaring the benefits of being a submissive at-home mother working within the husband/bread-winner paradigm (which raises a question to me; how do you afford tution for an expensive private Catholic for 10 children). Now if this wasn’t weird enough for me, a very young Priest talked about co-habitation before marriage. I was expecting quite a tongue lashing about this aspect, but instead he had a very permissive stance (instead of asking for us to give up this sort of lifestyle that obviously was leaning towards sex before marriage, he requested people to sleep in different rooms).
I have as much problem with Roman Catholicism as I have with my own brand of Lutheranism. But these people (Religious Leaders) need to come to the conclusion that people are no longer blindly obedient to them. The figure of 88%, remarkably, says that the Catholic masses do not hold the Church’s stance to be true at all. As I see, more and more of the religious use religion as a guide and not as blindly obedient (especially in this matter). Furthermore, how do they expect the workaday Catholic family to support that many children on wages that continue to decrease and career jobs that seem to be disappearing? God? You cannot preach self-control in sex and then expect God to come to the rescue when you accidently have 10 children while maintaing natural family planning and an antiquainted system of husband/breadwinner. It is a double-bind system.
Also, I refuse to have children until I see fit that the larger majority of my culture and civilization will provide them with the same benefits of personal freedom and liberty that is vanishing day by day that I may have once had or at least that was outlined in the American Constitution. I refuse to bring up a prospective child in a culture of fear and rampant intolerance. Child making might be something I can do, but true responsiblity lies in having children born into a world that is provides them true security and opportunities for their pursuit of happiness.
May 15th, 2006 at 1:57 pmI refuse to bring up a prospective child in a culture of fear and rampant intolerance. Child making might be something I can do, but true responsiblity lies in having children born into a world that is provides them true security and opportunities for their pursuit of happiness.
Comment by kilgore2345
You are an idiot and a loser. Thank you for not breeding.
May 15th, 2006 at 2:03 pmYou are an idiot and a loser. Thank you for not breeding.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — May 15, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
But you habitually advocate personal responsibility. Then some one exhibits exactly that and you attack that person for being responsible? What exactly does satisfy you?
May 15th, 2006 at 2:06 pm#103 – You have too many “they” in your comment. I’ve lost track of who “they” are/is.
May 15th, 2006 at 2:17 pmYou are an idiot and a loser. Thank you for not breeding.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — May 15, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
Yes, it is a shame that I might raise children that are truly responsible for their actions, instead of marching under that banner and ridiculing others on a purely partisan basis.
May 15th, 2006 at 2:30 pmThen prove there is a god. You cannot. Hence it is called blind faith. Not my terms. They are what you guys call it.
No lions and tigers in Georgia outside the zoos. And what few bears are in the mountains. But if you make enough noise while hiking, you don’t see them. See, knowledge debunks fear. Don’t have to take my word for it. Try it yourself. :)
Comment by unbelievable —
The lions and tigers I speak of are of the two leg variety that stalk you while they remain hidden behind their natural camouflage. If I were you I’d at least whistle past the graveyard.
“The time allotted to us is analogous to the shutter of a camera; it opens with our birth, allowing in the small amount of light we must work with before it closes and the universe vanishes. With that light we must enter our “dark room” and develop our conception of existence–what we are, why we are here, and what is our relationship to the whole. There are pneumagraphs laying around that others have left behind–scripture, books, images and institutions. Some of them were successful in capturing the Light, others only darkness visible.” — One Cosmos: Salvolution History
http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2006/05/salvolution-history.html
May 15th, 2006 at 3:30 pmYes, it is a shame that I might raise children that are truly responsible for their actions, instead of marching under that banner and ridiculing others on a purely partisan basis.
Comment by kilgore2345
That’s not what you said or what I took issue with. You said you refused to have children unless they could be guaranteed peace, safety and security. That’s stupid and just another way of saying that you pretend to want the “best” for children but what you really mean is that you are selfish and materialistic. Been there done that.
May 15th, 2006 at 3:34 pmNO 53 – right on.
It is about control. These religious right leaders are front groups for corporate interests – they do not take the concerns of their flock seriously and they instill doctrines to control their actions and thoughts.
Has anyone looked at the real interests behind the recent “moral movement” by GOP and the so called religious right to ban online poker. How can a bill that legalizes horse racing and fantasy sports betting be considered anti-gambling? Their leaders are corrupt and not looking out for the peoples best interest. Check out all the stuff on TPM, in particular on Ralph Reed for more on this stuff.
May 15th, 2006 at 3:42 pmThe lions and tigers I speak of are of the two leg variety that stalk you while they remain hidden behind their natural camouflage. If I were you I’d at least whistle past the graveyard.
I don’t believe in ghosts, ghouls and the sort. If anyone would have ever come back from the dead it would have been my father. 12 years of silence later, I am certain he ceased to exist when he died. Just as I will. Just as you will. I’ve come to terms with it. It was difficult. But now that I have, it’s no big deal anymore. Makes me live this life in fuller and richer terms that I ever did before. I have no interest in giving that back.
“The time allotted to us is analogous to the shutter of a camera; it opens with our birth, allowing in the small amount of light we must work with before it closes and the universe vanishes.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — May 15, 2006 @ 3:30 pm
That was beautifully written. But it’s not proof.
I had a strange dream last night. You (or rather an interpretation of you since you’re too chciken to send me your photo) wanted green food coloring from me, but I didn’t have any. The dream was very vivid. I can still see the teardrop shape of the food coloring vials with the saturated liquid inside – like it was a memory. If I didn’t know it was a dream, I would have believed it – the images were so realistic and it felt so real. Sometimes some dreams are even more intense and I forget which are dreams and which are real after some time has passed. I see no difference between this experience and any other supernatural ‘experience’.
May 15th, 2006 at 3:47 pmThe Religious Right and Republican party want to attack a symptom without addressing the root causes, so we end up with the worse of all situations.
Comment by Jack — May 15, 2006 @ 1:27 am
THis my friend is the way Most Republicans try to solve problems.
May 15th, 2006 at 5:24 pmThat was cool Unbeleivable.
May 15th, 2006 at 5:26 pmPEOPLE… lets try this. please dont respond to MA’s phsycho babble okay? a few of us have decided if you dont respond she will go away eventually. she just wants attention be it negative or vitriolic so lets just ignore what her and IRI say. The minds are 1 can short of a six pack anyway! For honest discourse with a moderate or conservative i’d pick Tundra. even tempered and willing to take points without spewing crap!
May 15th, 2006 at 6:17 pm#115 – meg_mac, you are absolutely right, of course. I pledge not to respond to Mighty Hag in the future. Even though it’s nickname for me is so unbelievably cute, I shall resist. I’m getting tired of us letting the trolls hijack every thread.
May 15th, 2006 at 6:24 pmThat’s not what you said or what I took issue with. You said you refused to have children unless they could be guaranteed peace, safety and security. That’s stupid and just another way of saying that you pretend to want the “best†for children but what you really mean is that you are selfish and materialistic. Been there done that.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — May 15, 2006 @ 3:34 pm
What is exactly selfish about wanting to have the best environment to raise my children in? What is exactly materialistic about that? Am I suppose to just have children, because the Christian Conservative Movement says I should? I do want what is best for my children — why shouldn’t I expect safety and security?
That is all I have heard since 9/11; safety and security – safety and security, but I do not feel one more iota safer and more secure since that day. Here you (a right winger) admit it, that it is “stupid” to think that one should expect peace, safety, and security. I don’t want to extrapolate too much, but it does seem to speak that the Right may not care about the security of this country.
May 15th, 2006 at 8:03 pmPat Robertson, James Dobson, Jerry “Tinkie-Winkie Falwell, Reid ALL of them…
…are inbreds, and continue to practice incest and inbreeding…
…why do you think they…
…and their constituents are so RETARDED?…
…and hypocritical…
…look at all of the indictments of right wing conservatives on child porn and molestation charges lately…
…this is NO aberration…
…they’re ALL sexually repressed sick-o’s…
May 16th, 2006 at 1:10 pmWell, this thread sure degenerated! This is precisely why, when I taught High School sex education, we NEVER debated the issue of abortion…it will never be solved. I’m pro-choice, but I don’t care if someone disagrees, as long as they a) don’t shove their views down my throat or b) don’t interfere with women’s right to choose.
I can tell you right now that all statistics show that teens who receive contraceptive education (not just abstinence instruction) have far lower incidence of sexual activity and those who ARE sexually active use condoms (the only device to protect against pregnancy AND HIV) more often. Anyone who thinks that sex ed. will “make” teens go out and have sex is an idiot! If they really want to do it…they WILL, regardlesss of how much they know. Better to have them educated than operating in ignorance and producing unwanted children!
Strange how I didn’t see anyone mentino (DID anyone mention?) adoption? You never hear the anti-choice, anti-sex-ed morons say how much value a kid’s life has AFTER it’s born. They’re probably too busing abusing and/or neglecting the poor children!
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