VIDEO: Alberto Gonzales Says His Grandparents May Have Been Illegal Immigrants
VIDEO: Alberto Gonzales Says His Grandparents May Have Been Illegal Immigrants
Yesterday on CNN, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales admitted that he doesn’t know if his grandparents came from Mexico to the United States legally or illegally, but that his family’s story is the “American dream.” Watch it:
Gonzales’s story contrasts with the right-wing rhetoric protesting illegal — and often legal — immigration.
Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO), 4/29/03:
I believe that the demand and push for manufactured diversity in every facet of our lives has a political motivation. … I am gravely concerned that our recent and current immigration is not of the same character as our historic immigration and that the impact and effect will be to weaken our civic culture and our political institutions that guarantee life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Rep. Steve King (R-IA), 3/30/06:
[A "ruling class" of rich Americans have] made enough money by hiring cheap illegal labor that they think they also have some kind of a right to cheap servants to manicure their nails and their lawn.
Full transcript below:
BLITZER: Give us your — tell our viewers who aren’t familiar your personal story, how you got to where you are, your grandparents, your parents. They struggled, they came here. I don’t know if they came here legally or illegally. But give us the story.
GONZALES: Well, three of my grandparents were born in Mexico. They came to Texas. My parents — both my parents were born in Texas extremely poor. My mother…
BLITZER: When they came to Texas, were they legally documented, were they un-legally documented?
GONZALES: You know what? It’s unclear. It’s unclear.
And I’ve looked at this issue, I’ve talked to my parents about it and it’s just not clear.
But in any event, my mother had a 2nd grade education — my father had a 2nd grade education, my mother had a 6th grade education. And my father worked construction.
And so, for me, my life has — represents the American dream.
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And when did Gonzales’ grandparents arrive? In 1900, 1910, when the population of this country was 100 million? I’m sick of hearing “We’re a country of immigrants” as if we are the same, unpopulated, hungry-for-unskilled-labor country now as in the past. We are now a country of 300 million, with crowded and increasingly expensive metro areas on both coasts, an entire West that’s fast running out of water — and no, repeat no, need for any unskilled labor. Who gives a rat’s ass what happened 100 years ago? Let’s talk about what kind of immigration policy this country needs TODAY!
May 17th, 2006 at 11:50 amGreat! Can we send him back? No?
Gosh, will Rethuglicans ever learn that this is a complicated/nuanced issue?
Whether Gonzo “belongs” in the US or not, one thing is certain: Gonzo belongs in a US jail for the laws he’s justified breaking!
May 17th, 2006 at 11:52 amLol whatever I do not care if Gonzales’ grandparents were illegals or not! Regardless Alberto is a bad attorney general!
May 17th, 2006 at 11:52 amHis grandparents’ status would be “clear” to AG AG if there were documents… making it most likely that their entry into the U.S. was mostly undocumented.
May 17th, 2006 at 11:53 amHis grandparents’ status would be “clear” to AG AG if there were documents… making it most likely that their entry into the U.S. was undocumented.
May 17th, 2006 at 11:53 amVery strange, but yes I have to agree with all the posters: he is lame.
And he needs to crack down on illegals, they break the law, they need to pay.
R2K
May 17th, 2006 at 11:55 am2 Repugnants stumble off the short bus and finally figure out THE DEAL.
May 17th, 2006 at 11:55 amLook, I’ve said it before and I will say it again. I’m a Liberal…and these people are ILLEGAL members in the US. Simple as that. I don’t udnerstand why my fellow Liberals were bashing Bush over his practically open-border policy a few years ago are suddenly pro-open border now that Bush has changed position.
The fact is that it is impracticle to export everyone who is illegal. But nobody is actually prposing that as a feasable policy except republicans for the sole purpose of shooting it down and blamign Democrats…like they always do.
But nobody is supporting the other extreme that Bush is either. Nobdoy wants armed military guard with itchy trigger fingers patrolling the borders. That is just asking for extreme trouble. In fact I would say it is INVITING trouble.
If people want to controll illegal immigration then they need to enforce the rules that are already on the books. Part of that is exporting illegals. Simple as that. BUt the most important part is enforcing the laws that are menat to make sure companies aren’t hiring illegal workers at all. Because as long as the government and the big companies are going to look at hiring of illegals (or “guest workers”) as acceptable, then you will always be encouraging more people to illegally cross the border. This is the real problem we should ALL be looking at. INstead the Republicans have taken to the extreme of using force and guns and fear (typical), the liberal public have taken to the opposite of whatever Bush wants (becoming typical), and the Dems are too afraid to do anythign at all (typical).
May 17th, 2006 at 11:56 amGee, the American Dream is to become a lying toady for a rogue President who violates every law in the book while you justify his actions? Humm, guess I am gonna have to revise my thinking. All I ever dream about is having an equal opportunity to participate in the political system of our country, to have my privacy respected, to have the same rights as every other American.
May 17th, 2006 at 11:56 amCan’t we just send AG, the AG, back to Mexico?
May 17th, 2006 at 11:58 amOh, wait…Vincente doesn’t want him back.
Typical Rove politics. Send Alberto out to round up the Hispanic vote.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:07 pmFile under hypocrisy; good/old illegal aliens vs. bad/new illegal aliens.
Truly amazing the bait and switch still works for the GOP. Next week it will be Federal response to alligator attacks superseding the revelation of secret US prisons for US citizens.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:08 pmAlberto Gonzales: an Uncle Tomas for our time.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:09 pmLet’s deport him retroactively!
May 17th, 2006 at 12:09 pmWhat’s wrong with Gonzales–other than you don’t like him because he was appointed by Bush?
May 17th, 2006 at 12:10 pm#15,
Surely you jest.
Didn’t you see him smiling while he lied to Congress?
They could no more get a straight answer out of him
than W could have flown that F-18 onto the carrier.
Not only do I despise him because Bush appointed him,
I despise him as a lying cover-up sack of shit.
Any other questions?
May 17th, 2006 at 12:17 pmAm I the only person who doesn’t see the big deal? Go after the AG for crimes he’s commited/allowed, not because *gasp* his grandparents may or may not have been illegal immigrants. this story reeks of “gotcha” politics, minus the necessary “gotcha”.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:17 pmTancredo’s anti-immigrant rant sounds surprisingly similar to anti-immigrant rants from the 1890s, 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, etc. The stuff people said about my Irish great grandparents were untrue and the things people say about Mexican immigrants are untrue.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:17 pmWolf, in this hard-hitting interview, let Aub G get away with “we don’t really know” answer. What a swell guy that Wolfie is.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:19 pmApparently for Abu G’s illegal grandparents and following generations it was the “American Dream,” but illegal immigrant families today are just blood suckers. /sarcasm off
Illegal immigration has been a problem for many, many years, and will be a problem for many years to come. Right now, the topic is being used by this administraton to change the subject — again.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:20 pmWhat’s wrong with Gonzales–other than you don’t like him because he was appointed by Bush?
Comment by Antagonist — May 17, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
I think the explanantion of ‘liar, liar, pants on fire’ is about your speed…
May 17th, 2006 at 12:22 pmI don’t understand why progressives are for eroding wages among the middle class and working poor. I’m for anyone that want to become a legal citizen through legal channels and I do believe that processing should be somewhat faster. However, swinging the doors open for illegals has practically wiped out the demand for skilled American citizen workers in the border states. It is as if progressives are mouthpieces for the corporations that hire the illegal immigrants.
The unemployment rate is obviously fabrcated when the purchasing power of the middle and lower classes are going down. Precisely the opposite would happen if these employment numbers were true. Rules for coming up with these numbers are changed to meet the desired figures. Reverse engineering the numbers is a common practice in business and government. Criteria and calculation models change to meet the number.
However, you progressives want to join the republicans and democrats in the errosion of wages outside of the top 20% and provide the majority of legal citizens of a bleaker future. The term “progressive” should not be used as you are the antithesis of what the original progressives in the late 1800s stood for, fairn and equitible treatment for those toil for a living so that they may have a better future. Acting as corporate hacks is not progressive.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:27 pm—Yesterday on CNN, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales admitted that he doesn’t know if his grandparents came from Mexico to the United States legally or illegally, but that his family’s story is the “American dream.â€â€”
Well, as Attorney General, Alberto Gonzales’s “American Dream†has become an America’s nightmare.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:28 pmHis grandparents may have been illegals, but Gonzlaes is most definately “unlawful”.
-GSD
May 17th, 2006 at 12:30 pm#16
May 17th, 2006 at 12:32 pmWhat lies to congress?
IOKIYAR……….
May 17th, 2006 at 12:32 pmMost Americans, unless you are pure blood Native American Indian, came into the US as immigrants! They did not swarm across the borders as many Latinos/Mexicans do today! Many like my German/Danish great grandparents had to be processed at Ellis Island, New York, which means their names were recorded upon entry, where they were born, and they were checked for diseases too! If the Mexican border was secure, with just border crossings, then the same processing could take place as what occured at Ellis Island or San Francisco! There are NO records of those who sneak across our borders, so some are felons or even murderers or could be carrying any number of diseases too! Those who want to immigrate to America must be processed, to exclude criminals and terrorists! This is NOT racism!!!
May 17th, 2006 at 12:33 pmStop trying to change the subject.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:34 pmJust plain mad
“Acting as corporate hacks is not progressive.”
Please, most of us “progressives” are for securing the border and fixing the structural problems facing this country ie NAFTA. However, on a list of things to do, fixing the MAJOR FU*KUPS of the administration come first and illegal immigration is down the list a ways. Let us start with real lobbying reform, illegal wire taps, Iraq, gas prices, global warming, …
Either, you are a eunuch troll, or just not informed on the modern progressive movement.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:36 pmAlberto Gonzales is a war criminal and a murderer who would walk into your home without a warrant if he thought he wouldn’t be shot dead.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:36 pmHe deserves painful death.
Can we repatriate him?
May 17th, 2006 at 12:38 pmAnother pro-enforcement liberal here. Border enforcement transcends left-right — it’s about preserving the US as a peaceful and economically and politically viable nation-state. This no longer ‘immigration’, it’s a destabilizing invasion by millions of people who, besides being uneducated and impoverished, generally do not assimilate, have no desire to do so, and in fact remain fundamentally loyal to their corrupt, authoritarian ‘homeland’. If current trends continue, we will become like the Balkans with separate armed ethnic ‘communities’, a Wal-Mart, slave-wage economy, overcrowded jails and prisons, and nearly bankrupt schools and hospitals. If you live in SoCal or Arizona, you already know what I mean. If you don’t, you soon will. Pro-illegal immgrant liberals need to either be intellectually honest and advocate open borders or stop accusing people who want to secure the border racists and xenophobes.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:38 pm#28
May 17th, 2006 at 12:44 pmStop inventing reasons to be an angry asshole.
Without a doubt, we should try enforcing the laws already on the books before we start passing any new ones.
And that should start with making sure employers don’t hire illegal workers.
That’s going to be a massive shock to employers, and may not be completely feasible. There are some jobs that are simply too low-paid, tedious & temporary to be taken by anyone with options.
I’m thinking specifically of agricultural jobs. I live in Southern California and just drove past a field full of Hispanic workers picking strawberries this last weekend. I tried to imagine myself out there, in the sun and mud, bent over all day and realized that I would NEVER have taken that job… and I come from a pretty low-wage background and have worked more than my share of minimum wage, menial employment.
So here’s what I propose. We slowly, steadily and thoroughly enforce employment laws, starting at the top of the skill/wage range… in the jobs that U.S. citizens could perform… and work our way downward until we hit a floor, then find ways to accomodate the unskilled labor force we need for just those jobs and no more.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:48 pmOh please. He expects us to believe he has looked into it doesn’t know the truth. Give me a break. How can nobody in his family know whether or not his grandparents were illegal or legal? Are they completely clueless?
Sorry but I don’t buy it. Gonzales is using his heritage as a PR stunt. He knows the truth and the fact he doesn’t want to say tells me that his grandparents came to America legally. I find it impossible to swallow that neither himself nor anyone in his family has any clue about his grandparents.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:51 pmHey zed, it has been conclusively established through a series of published letters that a deal was brokered by a Swedish humanitarian (name I forget right now, but I can find it) in 1939 to evacuate all of the Jews in Germany and Austria to a neutral country in return for a payment of $6 million to the Nazis, but the president of the World Jewish Congress nixed the deal because he wanted enough Jewish deaths to create a sufficient moral claim to create Israel. So give that one a rest.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:53 pmHe doesn’t know that his grandparents are legal or illegal? Sounds like something similiar when trying to get an answer regarding his defense on bush regarding prisoner treatment.
May 17th, 2006 at 12:55 pmSo Mr. Attorney General can spy on Americans, approve of domestic phone surveillance, support questionable treatment of detainees in order to extricate information…but he just can’t seem to determine if his family immigrated to the U.S. legally. If that is any indication of this country’s capabilities…we’re all in trouble. However, what is more likely…Mr. Gonzales would prefer we not discuss how his family arrived in America. Don’t get me wrong…I don’t care if his family was legal or not…I simply find the hypocrisy of those involved with this administration to be shameful and pervasive.
more observations here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
May 17th, 2006 at 12:59 pmThe Wikipedia entry for Alberto Gonzalez has been updated to reflect this new information:
May 17th, 2006 at 1:00 pm
If you allow the children of Criminal Aliens to automatically be citizens, you are rewarding the criminals for their smuggling activities. Gonzalez, his parents, grandparents and his own children and grandchildren should be deported back to Mexico and his name put on a permanent ban list.
It is just like in Palestine. The reason they have so much terrorism there is that the Jews were rewarded with a country after committing their terrorist actions. The Palestinians look at that fact and say to themselves, “It worked for them, it will work for us, too.”
If you reward criminal behavior you will ensure that criminals thrive and their numbers will increase.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:01 pmIf AG’s grandparents were legal, he’d be flapping the papers in front of the camera.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:02 pmYou think that Alberto Gonzales is a good poster boy for illegal immigration? I wish his grandparents had stayed in Mexico. Maybe we would have been spared his views on torture.
Remember when you import large numbers of illegals from one place, you also import their political culture. El Presidente Jorge Busho is just the beginning in a long line of strongmen. Funny, I never see Cheap Labor Liberals addressing this sort of problem. How about it Think Progress?
May 17th, 2006 at 1:03 pmDid you mean to say un-legally documented. : )
May 17th, 2006 at 1:03 pmThen just pay your fine, and get to the end of the line Albert.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:06 pmBecause we liberals are not for cheap labor. That would be the conservative business owners.
Liberals believe in a living wage.
Get your arguement straight before you start arguing.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:10 pmEvery race has its sell outs and traitors…
…the Mexican people are no exception…
…Gonzo is selling them out to his corporate Gods for slave wages…
…then making sure their civil rights are totally undermined…
…he should be “tarred and feathered” and Tony Snow(job) should have to hug him…
May 17th, 2006 at 1:15 pmYes, let’s make the employers assure that their workers are legally entitled to work here. Using precisely the same means that registrars of voters are required to use to assure that voters are legally entitle to vote. No more and no less.
Sauce for the goose…..sauce for the gander.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:18 pm#48 that same standard will also have to be held for american traitors (to the constitution)
May 17th, 2006 at 1:18 pmUnder the constitutional definition of citizen; Gonzo having been born of parents of a Mexican national, is still, technically a Mexican citizen; reguardless of where his parent’s parents gave birth to him.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:19 pmI think that a lot of the prejudice that existed against the Irish was because the British and Irish never got along in the old country and the Brits didn’t like the Irish long before they showed up in the USA. The situations between Mexico/Ireland in the 19th century are not parallel ones.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:19 pmI couldn’t watch the video clip (for the same reason I never watch cable news shows anymore). I don’t stock stomach distress bags in my living room.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:22 pmthis lawless douchebag is not even capable of telling the truth about his own grandparents…
May 17th, 2006 at 1:27 pmLook, this immigration scare is a transparent election year, play-to-the-conservative base, undermine-the-minimum-wage issue.
The corporations and Bush’s “base” want cheap labor. By allowing illegal immigrants they can effectively scuttle labor regulations that protect the working class from exploitation by oligarchical thugs and would-be slaveowners.
This “seal the border initiative” is as laughable as the “new documentation” plan. These are designed to give the impression the government is doing something about illegal immigration, without actually doing anything.
I suggest putting the employers of illegal immigrants in jail until they have complied with all US Labor Department regulations. If they want to sponsor immigrant workers, thnere’s a way to do it legally–which includes obtaining visas and paying minimum wage.
Let’s start with the biggest first: Tyson Foods, Smithfield, ConAgra, KBR. We could pay off as much of the deficit in Labor Law violations from employers exploiting undocumented workers as we could from big telecoms paying class action settlements to customers whose privacy rights they violated.
This is AGonzo’s big chance to stand up for the law and promote some justice.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:33 pm“Liberals”, “Progressives” and “Conservatives” are anything but what their name implies. There is a lot of talk but no action. I haven’t seen anyone of these group’s leadership and/or talking heads address the permanent building of fortresses in Iraq and Afghanistan, let alone the all to real slaughter of human people by weapons of mass suffering. No one has talked much about the US foreign policy that has a standard mode of operation:
1: get desired country hooked on money
Using economic hit men from large corporation, promise funds to build up country for capitalism from IMF, World Bank, other banks and corporate financing. Once established, tell country that credit is bad and jack up interest rates and force monetary and idealogical concessions.
2: create Chaos from small armed sqirmishes to death squads that are financed, armed and trained by NSA (CIA and Defense special/black ops). NSA will start the slaughter to bring about ethnic tension through confusing killings, torture… Later, the US psychopaths will have trained local military/police units made up of the countries worst killer and ratchet up the killing.
3: add military operations to armed, divide and conquer chaos. If necessary, the military will make their presence on the ground and possibly permanent. Expect all illegal weapons use from cluster bombs, defoliation agents and napalm as well as new weapons of mass suffering such as depleted uranium, smaller cluster grenades…
I don’t hear anyone willing to discuss 911 in any civil manner and as tough questions regarding the inconsistancies of the conspiracy fantasy vs. conspiracy theory. None of these groups do investigative research that gets outside of their ideology that views the big picture of capitalism (it’s been around for over 12000 years), just a narrowly defined version of it. Has any group gone down the list of the bill of rights and identified how not only this administration, but most all administrations have working on destroying it for the last 30 years. The cluelessness of who or what has caused “insurgencies” from Iran and Guatemala through Yugoslavia and Iraq is proof enough that these groups don’t care, know or just don’t want to know.
Solutions are rare, such as suspending the National Security Act of 1947, enforcement of crimes against the American people by impeachment for undermining the consitution and bill of rights, brining transparency back to the government by raising a grassroots surge to turn over unjustly classified information that only serves to hide illegal actions of this country here and abroad, mass writing efforts to governors to push alternative power for building in places that don’t push it such as Arizona, New Mexico, Texas…(states with high sunshine and/or wind).
There is littele difference between the corporate media which operates in one mode, protect the corporate interest above all, and progressive websites which protect their ideology above all and don’t dare get involved in controversial subjects outside of gay rights, immigration and light coverage of the actual misinformation of war and digging to find those responsible, beyond the current administration for this whole fiasco.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:34 pmPost An Apology blog wants to THANK YOU, TP, for great work on this one. We’ve been posting since MARCH that the immigration issue is SNAKES ON THE PLANE for the GOP. http://postanapology.blogspot.com/2006/03/rattlesnakes-on-plane.html
Don’t poke that sleeping rattlesnake – it’ll bite! Maybe that’s a good thing. The GOP can run but it can’t hide from this one! Just take a look out your window.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:35 pmHa! I laugh at all you zenophobes who are afraid of anyone who doesn’t look or speak like you. You represent the racist, sad past of America – and the very people you hate represent the future. America will be a better place when these immigrants children grow up, b/c dinasours like the sour-pusses who want to build a wall on the border will be dead.
Love live Immigrants!
Down with bigots!
May 17th, 2006 at 1:36 pmi live in Jacksonville Fl.. in my neighborhood, there are muslims, east europeans, people from central america,south america. and plain old white trash floridians. for the most part, i like the immigrants better than i like the indigenous rednecks.the city is redoing the roads and sewer systems in the area where i live. since this work is literally taking place in my front yard, i have spoken to many of the construction people.almost without exception they are all of latin american origin. they may or may not be legal immigrants. I DON’T CARE! they are doing hard unpleasant dirty work. work that most white native born “americans” wouldn’t take. the point is these people are WORKING. they are not begging for a handout. illegal immigrants; code for you are not white and i hate you.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:42 pmTo #58 — what nonsense. You think unemployed Americans wouldn’t work for a city construction crew? Please. And I don’t care if they’re white — I care if they’re American citizens. To say that illegals should be allowed to stay in the US because they want to work is like saying that termites should be allowed to infest your house because they want to eat wood.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:50 pmMy family has been in America for 300 years.
However, I know that at some point someone
immigrated here.
For the AG to “enforce” laws about illegal immigration with him not knowing about
May 17th, 2006 at 1:52 pmhis own family’s path here is just disgusting.
I am sure his grandparents are deeply shamed
by his actions.
Let’s see the documentation of all your blood sucking angle/euro whiskey drinking asshole grandparents…all of you are descendants of illegal aliens…go back to ARYAN LAND…go eat your f***** potatoes and shut your mouth…as for AG…F*** Him Too…
May 17th, 2006 at 1:52 pmAbout 160 years ago the US committed a great evil that is having repercussions to this day. The evil was in denying American rule to Mexicans. While we incorporated the northern part of Mexico into our territory, the southern portion was left to fend for themselves.
Since that time they have made a hell out of their country, proving that Mexicans are not fit to govern. The only solution is to annex the rest of Mexico into the US and set about massive education program to get them all to at least Jethro Bodine standards (6th grade). Maybe after the last vestiges of Hispanic culture have been wrung out of them, they will be fit to govern themselves again. Butin the meantime, they are escaping the hell of their own making by the millions and our compassion should extend beyond those who are strong enough to cross the border to encompass those who are too weak to escape the hell that is Mexico.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:53 pmHa! I laugh at The CarpetMuncher for lumping legal and illegal immigrants into one big group, not realising that there is a huge difference.
Long live legal immigrants.
Down with trying to confuse the truth.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:53 pmWould we be having this conversation if it was White,Blue-eyed Canadians that were streaming across the Norther border?
May 17th, 2006 at 1:55 pmOn the topic of illegal’s in the US, Molly Ivans put it best:
I hate to raise such an ugly possibility, but have you considered lunacy as an explanation? Craziness would make a certain amount of sense. I mean, you announce you are going to militarize the Mexican border, but you assure the president of Mexico you are not militarizing the border. You announce you are sending the National Guard, but then you assure everyone it’s not very many soldiers and just for a little while.
Militarizing the border is a totally terrible idea. Do we have a State Department? Are they sentient? How much do you want to infuriate Mexico when it’s sitting on quite a bit of oil? Bush knows what the most likely outcome of this move will be. He was governor during the political firestorm that ensued when a Marine taking part in anti-drug patrols on the border shot and killed Esequiel Hernandez, an innocent goat herder from Redford, Texas. That’s the definition of crazy—repeatedly doing the same thing and expecting a different result…
[from: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0516-30.htm ]
May 17th, 2006 at 1:57 pmIf this is true, then why haven’t we deproted Alberto and his sleazy criminal brood. Let’s get him a one way bus ticket to Mexico City. I’ll chip in. Better yet, lock ‘em in Gitmo!!!
sarcasm alert. sarcasm alert. sarcasm alert…..
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Snow day. Tony’s breakdown.
Right now on LCL
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Fresh SSA:Editorial
Criminalizing immigrants; how could we be more wrong?
now posted.
May 17th, 2006 at 1:57 pm>> Let’s see the documentation of all your blood sucking angle/euro whiskey drinking asshole grandparents…all of you are descendants of illegal aliens…go back to ARYAN LAND…go eat your f***** potatoes and shut your mouth…as for AG…F*** Him Too…
May 17th, 2006 at 1:57 pmOne of my ancestors was on the Mayflower and served as the first governor of the nascent colony.
Another of my ancestors was a Cherokee brave, who was already here when my white ancestor arrived.
How long has your family called this land “home”?
May 17th, 2006 at 1:59 pm[...] Hat tip toe ThinkProgress for this bit. Watch the video here. [...]
May 17th, 2006 at 1:59 pmHis grandparents were most likley legal – modern-style immigration controls came into existence in the 60s. Before that, we had open borders with mexico.
May 17th, 2006 at 2:00 pmDoug, where is your documentation…you can write all the crap and lies you want to…prove it…that is what you are asking of AG…lets see the documentation…in the meantime…go get your f***** shine box…
May 17th, 2006 at 2:03 pmDoug, my family has called this land home for the past 10-12k years…i am as native as the cactus…i’m not blue eyed and blonde if that is your question…is that what would make me eligible to call this land home…
May 17th, 2006 at 2:09 pmBut Will They Assimilate? (Alberto Gonzalez Edition)…
Earlier this week, AG Alberto Gonzalez appeared on CNN with Wolf Blitzer and the issue of his grandparent’s immigration status emerged.
May 17th, 2006 at 2:11 pmFrom the transcript:
GONZALES: Well, three of my grandparents were born in Mexico. They came to Texas. My pa…
People who foregt the past are doomed to repeat it. Texas, Gonzalez’ home was settled by illegal white immigrants from the USA’s deep south. In the early 1800’s they entered illegally, came armed with weapons, intent on land grabs. They viiolated Mexican government laws. The Mexican government could not control the borders. Eventually they outnumbered the locals, and started a bloody revolution. At least the Mexicans that come back to their stolen Texas today are coming here unarmed, to work. They pay taxes, our economy is dependent on them. Half of the population growth in the USA, nationwide in the last 5 years was Hispanic. Hello? What is it about “turn about is fair play” that you do not understand?
May 17th, 2006 at 2:14 pmI heard this live yesterday. It was stunning. Gonzales didn’t have the guts to simply admit his parents were illegals. He did the old, “I’m not sure” scam, and claimed that whatever documents there were cannot be found. Of course, this is a tacit admission that they were illegal immigrants, since you know damn well that Gonzales knows the truth and would be upfront with it if his parents had been legal.
May 17th, 2006 at 2:20 pmIts interesting that with Gonzales we get the influence from the Mexican justice system: corruption, torture, and detention without charges have now spread North from Mexico. And don’t forget it was Gonzales who prevented Bush’s drunk driving arrest from being discovered when Bush was Texas governor. Bush had been called for jury duty, and Gonzales told him to leave it blank where it asked, “What have you been arrested for?” And Bush got off jury duty because he claimed he might be asked to pardon the man on trial, so there was a conflict! It is hot known if anybody on Earth ever tried this excuse before, but it worked. Gonzales may have been behind this ploy, too, he was sitting next to Bush as his lawyer at the time.
Gonzales and Bush do share a need to lie early and often, and to vote that way, also, apparently.
I support the death penalty for anyone who hires an illegal immigrant.
May 17th, 2006 at 2:24 pmwhy don’t we have the national guard go after employers who hire the undocumented? who is really to blame?
May 17th, 2006 at 2:27 pmI see all you are avoiding the issue…image the documentation that shows your illegal anglo/euro ancestors came here legally…they all arrived here illegally…no documentation…your grand pappy was illegal and so are you…so get the hell out of our country….
May 17th, 2006 at 2:40 pmPeople are here “illegally” because the current legal immigration system from Mexico is a joke. Basically, as it stands there are 3 ways to get into the US.
1. Fill out a mass of forms (remember that illiteracy is high in Mexico, so many cannot read the forms) and then wait 15-20 years.
2. Bribe lots of people.
3. Have a fastball in the mid-90s (or be a top boxer)
If you want to be serious about ending illegal immigration, you MUST crack down on employers, and be ready to pay a lot more for restaraunts, fruit, meat, and everything else. It may mean closing down some Walmarts and meat packing plants, and farmers may not be able to pick all their fruits and vegetables, but that’s the price (especially when they have to pay prevailing wages to get labor for that work).
May 17th, 2006 at 2:40 pm———– UNQUALIFIED VILE PEOPLE OF DIVERSE ETHNICITIES ———–
May 17th, 2006 at 2:47 pmIts interesting that Carpetlicker and the clown with the obscene name and a couple others have to insult White Americans with their racist garbage, while the normal people on the site can insult or criticize Gonzales because HIS PERFORMANCE AS ATTORNEY GENERAL IS JUST REPREHENSIBLE. IN OTHER WORDS, YEAH, IT IS TERRIBLE THAT THIS MAN WHOSE PARENTS WERE ILLEGAL ALIENS IS THE “TOP LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL IN THE USA.” But we don’t have to resort to racist taunts of Gonzales, or Condoleezza, or whoever. They are not doing the job right, they are working for the benefit of the rich and the defense contractors and … well, you know the rest. And that is the criteria to criticize them. Its not like thay are any more or less corrupt or unqualified than Bush or Cheney or other White people in the administration.
Cheney could not graduate from college. Bush was a marginal pilot in the TANG WHO HAD TO DISAPPEAR TO AVOID THE NEW DRUG TESTING IN THE 1970S. And Condoleezza is a supposed “fluent” Russian speaker who nods her head and says “dah” and “nyet” at summit meetings with Russians. Gonzales is a small-time Texas lawyer who became elevated only because he was Bush’s buddy. They are ALL miserable low level ciphers who are allowed to run this country only because most Americans refuse to read and most Americans decide based on phony images transmitted on TV. And Republicans play this game better than Democrats at the moment.
Gee, he’s not sure about his own family’s history, even after ‘looking into it’.
May 17th, 2006 at 2:48 pmIt’s amazing how he is sure of everything Bush makes up out of thin air.
What a twit.
[...] My knowledge of migration patterns and laws governing immigration is admittedly poor, but that is not to say that it is completely absent rational thought and objective knowledge. For instance, people have jumped on this exchange between AG Gonzales and Wolf Blitzer. GONZALES: Well, three of my grandparents were born in Mexico. They came to Texas. My parents — both my parents were born in Texas extremely poor. My mother… [...]
May 17th, 2006 at 2:56 pmImbo Fortitude,
I object to your presumption that my name is obscene…I happen to be Korean…it’s not my fault I was named such…I agree with all your points…I respect true dialogue…however I will not allow these chumps to make such disparaging remarks…without their own legality in this country coming into question.
May 17th, 2006 at 3:00 pmYes.
Even more so, since the ones that come from the North are not “taking jobs Americans won’t do.” They are taking the good jobs.
May 17th, 2006 at 3:01 pmAnyone who has dealt with actually trying to get into the USA legally understands why these desperate people instead just pay “coyotes” their life savings and more to smuggle them across the border. Problems like this don’t happen overnight, and they don’t get solved overnight.
Keep in mind, this whole debate is a diversion from the real issues of Bush’s incompetence and criminality.
May 17th, 2006 at 3:04 pmhow bout a $10,000.00 fine for every illegal any employer hires (walmart would owe millions). but there’s no soap opera in that law. the gop realized a long time, about the time of the low speed white bronco chase, that americans prefer soap opera to common sense. they’ve got us wringing our hands at the thought of separating families into 2 groups: legals and illegals. and the melodrama that promises is much more useful than fining walmart tens of millions.
May 17th, 2006 at 3:05 pm[1] MOST WHITE AMERICANS AREN’T ANGLES
May 17th, 2006 at 3:10 pmTo the America hater with the obscene name: you have proven yourself by your comments to have little knowledge. Calling White American angles or anglos/ euros is dumb. Yes, many Americans whose ancestors came from the UK, parts of Germany, parts of Denmark, etcetera have Angle (often incorrectly called Anglo) ancestry. This is something to be proud of, Angles invented much of our way of life. But MOST European or White Americans have NO Angle ancestry. Americans with Italian ancestry aren’t Angles. Americans with Russian or some other East Europe ancesry are Slavs, Irish Americans and some Dutch Americans and French from Normandy are Celts, and so on. There are 46 countries either completely or partially in Europe, most have no Angles, except tourists.
[2] ANTI WHITE AMERICAN HATE IS IGNORANT
You claim it is “your” right to be here, but not the European ancestry Americans WHO INVENTED THE COMPUTER AND THE INTERNET AND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE, all 3 of which you use to condemn White Americans. Europeans also came up with THE SPANISH LANGUAGE. Assuming you are a Mexican you probably have part-Indian and part Spaniard ancestry. So, long ago, one group of your relatives tried to wipe out the other.
Join the club. My ancestors are from Europe, they came over (some of them) 240 years ago. Others 160 years ago to escape a political famine designed to wipe them out. One million WHO COULD NOT ESCAPE TO AMERICA OR CANADA starved to death. My ancestry comes from both groups.
So your phony “feel sorry for me” bleating is illogical. Being White or European does not guarantee prosperity or safety.
To all the jerks who say these people are illegal, blah blah blah…
Check the tags on all the clothes you wear. First one that says “Made in USA” gets a prize. All of our corporations say that in the name of “free markets” they should be able to do business anywhere and create their own laws as they go. Capital can go anywhere and people that are willing to work cannot? I say open up the borders and let them come. Same thing every single person that is posting on this board would do for their own family.
May 17th, 2006 at 3:10 pmI ask for no remorse from you…I just ask that all the assholes who don’t known their history and are simply spewing hate…check their facts first…you are correct not all “whites” are angle…by the way…remember the Civil War…your ancestors also tried to kill each other…in America and in the Old World also…that is after all why some of your ancestors came here illegally…do i hear a JEW in JEW…let me hear from U….LOL
May 17th, 2006 at 3:20 pmTo F U All:
May 17th, 2006 at 3:30 pmI wrote my last post guessing you were Mexican descent due to your comments. I am going to go out on a limb, now that you said you are Korean, and guess that you are legal, because I know the vast majority of Americans of Korean ancestry did legally immigrate (or their parents did.) Why do you think White/ European background Americans ancestors did not get here legally? A long time ago it was very informal, if you got here, and were European, that was enough to be legal. This was true up until 140, 130 or so years ago. Many of my relatives had to live in Canada for years before they were allowed into the country.
Did you know that many Irish and other Europeans who moved here in the last century had to take the absolute dirtiest lowest paid jobs in the USA? Before slavery was outlawed in 1865, Irish often had to take jobs THAT THE SLAVEOWNERS WOULD NOT LET THE SLAVES DO BECAUSE THEY WERE TOO DANGEROUS, AND SINCE THE SLAVES HAD MONETARY VALUE the slaveholders wouldn’t take the risk. But the Irish were free, so if they died it was OK. If they got their leg cut off, the company would just fire them and that was it. There was no law requiring compensation, and so most got no money for death or dismemberment.
As late as 1900, many White immigrants, and native-born Americans, worked side by side in underground mines in which they worked 14 hours a day 364 days a year, until they died. All for a dollar a day.
I wish history books told the true story of the harsh conditions most of our ancestors endured in order to create our comparatively comfortable existence today. Respect that history, and don’t tell me my ancestors came here illegally, for they did not.
it remains unclear, are we even here or is this all just a figment of my imagination
May 17th, 2006 at 3:30 pmTranslation: “They snuck across the border”
May 17th, 2006 at 3:31 pmOnce a law breaker, always a law breaker?
May 17th, 2006 at 3:37 pmYou got to be careful about the “Made in USAâ€. Remember Tom Delay’s trip to the Mariana Islands. Because it is a territory of the US it can use the label, but Tom Delay went there to ensure abusive sweatshop conditions would remain and stopped any sort of worker reform bill. So our labor laws do not apply to US territories but that didn’t stop big brands from exploiting the label.
May 17th, 2006 at 3:52 pmFor all of Gonzales’s faults, I can’t go after him on this one. Much like my own ancestors who came here from 1890-1920, they likely had no documentation at a time where very little was required. Hell, the anti-Italian slang “Wop” is from the acronym Without Papers used at Ellis Island. Conversely, I look at those Jews who tried coming here from Europe in the late 1930s on the “America” who were sent back by our Xenophobia at the time, and I wonder if I would have tried jumping the boat and swimming here illegally rather than go back to Nazi Germany.
May 17th, 2006 at 3:52 pmHere here Jack…
The point is that all of our free-market orthodoxy is doing exactly what these so-called “illegals” are trying to do. Who cares about borders? Businesses certainly don’t. Most every single person in this country is an immigrant.
For all the people that don’t think they should come…….then I’m assuming you’re all for building another 3000 mile fence along the Canadian border too.
LET THEM COME. LET THEM COME. LET THEM COME.
May 17th, 2006 at 4:06 pmThis notion that ‘every illegal that comes over (or under) the border is taking a job that an ‘American’ would do’ is hog wash.
They are taking jobs that companies won’t pay for.
Several companies announced after Bush’s speech the other night that ‘if the boarders are closed and the flow of cheap labor is cut off, they will send the jobs overseas’.
I think the best solution to stem the tide we need to go after the companies that are hiring them. This will never happen with pro-business administration.
It is ironic that so many people want to lock up all illegal because they are breaking the law, but have little desire to punish the companies that are also breaking the law.
I don’t really think this is a racial issue. We have two boarders in this country but only seem to be worried about the one to the south. Canada is a country with a good economy and long history of stable government. Mexico on the other hand is poor and in constant conflict.
May 17th, 2006 at 4:18 pmHis slogan…I’ll never be poor again. I knew he was related to Speedy Gonzales. They look like brothers. The only difference is Alberto is a lying fool and needs to be sworn every time he goes before Congress so he can be charged with perjury.
May 17th, 2006 at 5:16 pmI am also sick of hearing Speedy talk about how poor he grew up. Many people grow up that way because of him and W.
Good, then maybe we can get that a–hole deported.
May 17th, 2006 at 5:41 pmI hope I don’t get lynched with what I’m about to say, ready here it goes……………………… “SI SE PUEDE”..
May 17th, 2006 at 6:07 pmAntagonist! Hi, there! I’ve seen you lurking around here before! And your commment is: “What’s wrong with Gonzalez?”. Isn’t that your usual lead-in? Playing dumb in order to get a heated response?
There is not enough space on the internet to list AG’s crimes against the citizens of the United States. Patriots–the people who believe in liberty and freedom and limited government think he’s a totalitarian his toadying. All the other toadies think he’s oh so clever for saying anything a President does is legal because a President is doing it. Which side are you on, Mr. “I Don’t Get It?”
May 17th, 2006 at 6:08 pmSo he’s the grandkid of wetbacks, son of an anchor child.
Deport him — now.
May 17th, 2006 at 6:26 pmSince Wikipedia says he was born in 1955, chances are, his grandparents came during the Mexican Civil War between 1915-1930. It’d be nice to think they were cleared entry into the United States; but before 1965 non-white immigration was pretty rare. Perhaps they were given a visa of some kind and overstayed, but mostly likely they just walked across. Most exiles of the civil war came to the United States intending to stay for a brief period but many of them eventually stayed, undocumented. Many were sent back by Hoover during the Great Depression and later During Ike’s ‘operation wetback.’ But San Antonio, with its deep Tejano heritage might have proven a safe haven for Gonzo’s family.
May 17th, 2006 at 6:26 pmI have now changed my mind on this whole immigration idea. Deport them; that would be great entertainment
May 17th, 2006 at 6:29 pmYea, let’s deport him and all his family. They are here illegally. Catch the irony? AG, illegal grandparents. Kick em out
May 17th, 2006 at 6:33 pmGonzalez has brought decency back to his office. Why would the liberal media make sucha to do about this nothing story?
May 17th, 2006 at 6:35 pmAnd you have brought a new level of right wing stupidity to this board. Congratulations!
May 17th, 2006 at 7:03 pmGonzalez has brought decency back to his office. Why would the liberal media make sucha to do about this nothing story?
Comment by RedStateHero — May 17, 2006 @ 6:35 pm
What with lies, half trtuths, and spin, failing to enforce the law, is that how, well my bad for trying it the non-neo-con way for soo long, now that I know how to bring decency back I can do it the neo-con way too….
May 17th, 2006 at 7:13 pmRegardless, pre-1965 legality was meaningless for non-whites. Just ask the Japanese.
May 17th, 2006 at 7:58 pmheh, gonzalez brought decency back to his office.
yes, because in comparison to ashcroft, ANYBODY looks decent.
instead of a lying-shitstain attorney general ashcroft, we now have a SHINY lying-shitstain attorney general gonzalez!
definitely an improvement!
May 17th, 2006 at 8:18 pmIf we call those who illegally came in this country “illegal immigrants†we are insulting “normal“ immigrants, like me, who have to clarify now that we are “legal “ immigrants to differentiate from those who are illegal. Why we do not call robbers by the name “ illegal borrowers†after all they are “borrowing’ without permission, is it not the same as to come in country without permission? Illegal borrowers makes as much sense as illegal immigrants. ?
May 17th, 2006 at 11:47 pmGonzales caught in the Republican hypocrisy- the truth will out.
US economic policies have purposely created the so-called immigration crisis.
Employers are NOT punished for hiring illegal immigrants- there is next to no money for enforcing the laws.
NAFTA and the anti-labor politicians, Repubs and Dems alike are more responsible for this situation than the people who are seeking work. Check your zenophobia and hypocrisy at the door all you so-called Democrats.
We can’t export millions of skilled jobs and then blame the victims. Most have come here to work, MOST of whom are legal.
We need their labor. Lets bring them in now that they are here so they can share in the benefits and the responsibilities of citizenship. Stratfor.com has written that the US economy will pull ahead of the EU in part because we have the dynamism to adapt and evolve economically.
We need to invest in education and health care for everyone and tax the wealthy at the same rates we are taxed – for starters. There is a class war and blaming the newest darker skin arrivals is the oldest trick in the book.
May 18th, 2006 at 8:15 amI wish history books told the true story of the harsh conditions most of our ancestors endured in order to create our comparatively comfortable existence today. Respect that history, and don’t tell me my ancestors came here illegally, for they did not.
So do I. Many don’t know about the Spanish Land Grants. My own family came here in 1603 granted land by the King of Spain. I live in New Mexico. Some of our families are descendants of the conquistadores. They have continually lived in the continental US since 1598. It is very common in Northern NM to hear Colonial Spanish being spoken. My own grandfather, a 14th generation New Mexican, could neither read nor write English. Yet his “folks” got here well before that Mayflower hit the shores of New England. I wish history books would tell that story.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:25 amSo the United States Attorney General is NOT clear on this rather glaring point?
Ah, pleeese…..
May 18th, 2006 at 9:45 amhttp://www.politicallyoutspoken.com
So the United States Attorney General is NOT clear on this rather glaring point?
Ah, pleeese…..
May 18th, 2006 at 9:49 amPolitcal Outspoken
[...] Meanwhile, back in D.C., Alberto Gonzales revealed on CNN that his own grandparents might have been illegal immigrants. While there’s nothing wrong with that — the whole idea of coming here in the first place is to gain an opportunity for a better life for one’s self and one’s progeny — it is kind of embarrassing for him. Under existing policies, and even under the new policies which will probably come about, he would have to deport his own grandparents, were they still living. [...]
May 18th, 2006 at 11:02 amAbu Alberto Speer Gonzo Gonzales what! Could be the multi-generational product of illegal sleeper cell? holy mackeral! imagine the planning!
Abu Gonzo Akabar!
May 18th, 2006 at 11:24 amTexas, Gonzalez’ home was settled by illegal white immigrants from the USA’s deep south. In the early 1800’s they entered illegally, came armed with weapons, intent on land grabs. They viiolated Mexican government laws. The Mexican government could not control the borders. Eventually they outnumbered the locals, and started a bloody revolution.
Comment by Eduardo #74
Thanks Eduardo,
It never hurts to remind criminals of their crimes…
May 18th, 2006 at 12:33 pmMy relatives came here from Russia when the land bridge was still there.They had to fight saber-tooth-tigers,wooly mammoths etc. Settling was hard back in those days as there were no Wally Words/Starbucks, but the persevered and settled in Gulf Coast area of Northern Alabama. Following the receding waters, they canoed down to Panama City Beach,and have been there ever since!
May 18th, 2006 at 5:15 pmAs an elected official of the Democratic Party in middle America, I am concerned about recent developments on the immingration front. While I support the individules right to migrate, I feel they should do so legally. This problem has all of the earmarks of the causes for a “Second Civil War” in this country. Our values have never histoicly accepted by the majority of the world, and most certainly the whole of our hemisphere. Why do we ignore the need for political changes in our region, while we attempt to force our views on others on the other side of the globe?
May 19th, 2006 at 12:59 pmGonzales just doesn’t know…it’s just not clear if his parents were illegals or not. With all his pull you think he would be able to find out. What a bald face lie!!
May 19th, 2006 at 2:52 pmI agree with everyone that has posted to “deport” Gonzales and his family. But while we are at it, let’s deport everyone that immigrated to this country illegally. But wait, if there were no laws back then, I guess it wasn’t illegal to immigrant on the Mayflower or via Ennis Island. So that makes it okay? Deport everyone that is a descendant of an immigrant. What would we be left with then? not too many of us, that’s for sure!
May 19th, 2006 at 11:54 pmTO ALL OF THE STUPID NEO CONS THAT DEFEND THEIR MENTORS AND THE BUSHCO CRIME FAMILY. REALIZE ONE THING? YOU HAVE BEEN HAD BY WAR LORDS AND TYRANTS IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
May 21st, 2006 at 2:59 amWHEN YOU HAVE AN A//G LIKE ALBERT GONZO GONZALES. YOU HAVE A CANCER THAT HAS TO BE CUT OUT AND CUT OUT FAST.
AS JOHN DEAN TOLD RICHARD NIXON DURING WATERGATE. “MR. PRESIDENT (NIXON) THERE IS A CANCER IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND IT HAS TO BE FIXED.”
THANK GOODNESS FOR A FAIR AND BALANCECED DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS THAT GAVE NIXON A CHOICE TO RESIGN OR BE IMPEACHED, UNLIKE THE RUTHLESS NEO CON CONTROLLED CONGRESS THAT GAVE CLINTON NEITHER.
“GONZO” DO AS YOUR ACRONIM SUGGEST…….BE “GONZO” GET THE HELL OUT OF MY COUNTRY AND TAKE BUSHCO CRIME FAMILY WITH YOU.
Dated: 05-21-06: In the first place, Osama has done nothing other than brag about things that he may have wanted to do but never did! Example: on the 7th day of September 2001 Florida Governor Jeb Bush placed the state of Florida in a state of national emergency! That was incidentally 4 (four) days before the fabled 9/11 slaughter-house tactics! He must have been briefed, right? But by whom! His brother had been visiting there just prior to all of this murderous mayhem! It is all one big lie, that’s all that it is from start to finish! By the way, an act of “Treason” is still punishable today by hanging by the ”neck” until death ensues!
Who has the innate courage to charge the Bush brothers with ”Treason” and follow up on their trials? Think about it?
And lastly, why had the Homeland Security Forces been assigned at Pier 92 in New York City on 9/10? Wake up dumb Americans, it is much later than anyone of us care to actually think of! A veteran of the Korean Conflict who deals ‘ONLY’ in facts and evidence without exception! God bless you all……….
May 21st, 2006 at 9:50 amComment from lowiq47 – 5/21/06 9:33 AM
There were no laws restricting immigration from Mexico– or anywhere outside Asia– until the 1920s. Even after 1882, when some restrictions starting creeping in, basically anybody with the price of a boat ticket or the wherewithal to cross the land border could come, pay a tiny fee (50 cents), so long as they weren’t obviously diseased. We started processing immigrants so that they could prove residency in order to meet naturalization requirements (2-14 years, depending on the era), not primarily to keep immigrants out. That changed when eugencists (the intellectual forebears of today’s groups like FAIR) won the debate. Tom Tancredo’s grandaddy managed to get in before the shut the doors, now he’s there promoting walls to keep this generation of workers out.
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