ThinkFast: May 18, 2006
ThinkFast: May 18, 2006
New Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi acknowledged the true impact of the Iraq war: “We consider the war and occupation in Iraq a grave error that hasn’t solved – but has complicated – the problem of security. … Terrorism has found a new base and new excuses for internal and external terrorist action.”
James Tobin, a senior official in President Bush’s re-election campaign, was sentenced to 10 months in prison yesterday for his role in suppressing votes in a key U.S. Senate race. The scandal may involve the White House. U.S. District Judge Steven McAuliffe said, “It was a direct assault on a free and fair electoral system. We’ll never know if the wrong people are sitting in government because of this effort.”
Fighting intensifies in Afghanistan: “Heavy fighting involving several hundred Taliban fighters and Afghan and coalition forces in southern Afghanistan killed about a dozen police, a Canadian soldier and more than 30 militants.â€
After 16 months of inaction, the House ethics committee will begin bribery investigations into Reps. Bob Ney (R-OH) and William Jefferson (D-LA). Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) will escape scrutiny from the committee because he will be leaving Congress next month, breaking Chairman Doc Hasting’s (R-WA) Apr. 2005 pledge to investigate the former House Majority Leader.
The Senate yesterday passed immigration amendments that would “build 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border” and would require all native-born and immigrants workers to “submit their names to two huge federal databases to verify their legal status before taking any new job.”
President Bush is preparing to “turn to a familiar administration partner” to help secure the U.S. border with Mexico — giant military contractors. The winning contractor will secure an estimated $2 billion over the next three to six years to build a “virtual fence.”
Fed Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has said, “[T]he risks to inflation are perhaps the most significant at the moment.” Consumer prices rose by 0.6 percent in April, fueling concerns the Fed might keep pushing interest rates up to fend off inflation. Higher prices are cutting into consumers’ purchasing power and dampening the outlook for economic growth.
Americans digging out from under more debt: “Soaring housing prices and aggressive mortgage lending have saddled home buyers with ever greater levels of debt, and early signs are now emerging that more people are unable to keep up with their monthly mortgage payments.â€
The talk of a 30,000 troop drawdown really was a headfake. Yesterday, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld “said he cannot guarantee that there will be substantial withdrawals of U.S. troops from Iraq this year.†While Rumsfeld hopes for a drawdown, he “can’t promise it.â€
And finally: in Pennsylvania, the “nifty write-in feature on the new electronic voting machines attracted something different in Tuesday’s election: profanity.†Luzerne County Election Bureau Director Leonard Piazza was offended most by “a pair of ‘c’ words which appeared several times.†The Wilkes-Barre Times Leader reports that such profanity was “rare on the lever machines. Voters who wanted to be naughty generally stuck to storybook and cartoon characters.â€
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May 18th, 2006 at 9:09 amWe’ll never know if the wrong people are sitting in government because of this effort.â€
Oh, we already DO know that the wrong people are sitting in government becuase of this (and other efforts). The Florida recount has already proven this behavior has occured.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:10 am“The Senate yesterday passed immigration amendments that would “build 370 miles of triple-layered fencing along the U.S.-Mexico border†and would require all native-born and immigrants workers to “submit their names to two huge federal databases to verify their legal status before taking any new job.—
The MinuteMen already found local contractors to do the work for the sections they want to build, maybe they can underbid Haliburton on this.
And Come on TP, how about a link to the update in the Hoffa Case
May 18th, 2006 at 9:13 am“FBI agents are searching a farm near the city of Detroit after a lead on the disappearance of union boss Jimmy Hoffa in 1975, reports say.”
Luzerne County Election Bureau Director Leonard Piazza was offended most by “a pair of ‘c’ words which appeared several times.â€
Heh-heh. You KNOW the electorate is pissed when they start choosing profanity as their write-in vote. They know it’ll be seen, and must be counted. I like this form of protest; a few votes wasted, but a message sent nonetheless…
May 18th, 2006 at 9:14 amAnyone catch The Daily Show last night when Jon Stewart interviewed the author of a book called “The Party of Death?”
Wow. He nailed the guy to to wall. The guy said that the hateful rhetoric ratcheted up by the Democrats on the issue of abortion doesn’t allow for a open and honest debate. Stewart said simply, “YOU named your book ‘The Party of Death.’ How does that help open and honest debate without the hateful rhetoric?”
He then discussed how the Republicans use the justification of ‘not killing innocent lives to possibly save other’s lives’ when discussing the issue of opposing stem cell research. He got the guy to agree that the GOP argument is a valid one. Stewart then asked a very good question: “Isn’t that the justification the Bush administration is using for the war in Iraq?”
Ouch. There was quite a bit of nervous water sipping from the author throughout the interview.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:14 am#1
Huh…
Either they didn’t pay their bills. Or their hosting company got jacked.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:16 amTobin doesn’t even get a year!?
May 18th, 2006 at 9:18 amMaybe they’re reserving the big years for the Bush administration?
I agree with bobcat, done got jacked!
May 18th, 2006 at 9:18 amPresident Bush is preparing to “turn to a familiar administration partner†to help secure the U.S. border with Mexico — giant military contractors. The winning contractor will secure an estimated $2 billion over the next three to six years to build a “virtual fence.â€
Here, let me get my magic wand out…. okay, here it is.
POOF!
There’s the ‘virtual’ fence. What’s that? You can’t see it. Trust me, it’s there…. well, it’s virtually there.
You owe me $2,000,000,000.
Now I feel like Haliburton.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:19 amJames Tobin, a senior official in President Bush’s re-election campaign, was sentenced to 10 months in prison yesterday for his role in suppressing votes in a key U.S. Senate race. The scandal may involve the White House.
I’d bet evrything I have…
…there’s a White house connection…
…PLEASE let’s bring ALL of these Bushite TRAITORS to justice…
…the WRONG people are occupying our government, and we MUST rid ourselves of this plague that is the TREASONOUS, criminal Bushite junta and their conservative inbred sheep…
May 18th, 2006 at 9:21 am#9, I believe the correct spell is “aleck-aleck-aleck-aleck-ahi” for virtual fences, budgets get passed with a wave of the wand.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:22 amHere is my rundown and analysis of General Hayden’s tenure as head of NSA and his disregard for civil liberties. Not only is he dangerous to civil liberties, he is also a bad manager. A MUST READ if you are planning on following the confirmation hearings.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:22 amWhat offends me about this and the president’s speech Monday night was that not one word was said about trying to secure our border with Canada, our neighbor to the north. Every single argument put forth by the president for sending troops to the southern border could apply equally well to the northern border. I don’t care what anybody who supports this idea says. If you don’t support doing the same thing to the northern border that you want done to the southern border, then you’re being racist. Because skin color is the only thing that distinguishes illegals crossing each border. That’s how I feel. It’s a free country, so feel free to disagree.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:24 amAmericans digging out from under more debt: “Soaring housing prices and aggressive mortgage lending have saddled home buyers with ever greater levels of debt, and early signs are now emerging that more people are unable to keep up with their monthly mortgage payments.â€
Well, most Americans have no one to blame but themselves for this one. Granted, mortgage companies don’t get a free pass from me for their predatory lending practices, but in the end, it comes down to the individual who enters into the mortgage.
Taking out a mortgage is one of the most important life choices you’ll ever make. Take the time and do the research. Investigate property taxes. Look at the housing market in your area. Don’t take a mortgage that you can’t afford if your income were to go down some.
Just because you ‘qualify’ for a home doesn’t mean you should buy it. Hell, my wife and I bought our second home last year and we were told by our lender that we ‘qualified’ for a $550,000 home. Well, my wife got all glassy eyed thinking about living the high life. I asked her if she liked ketchup and rice; cause if we broke the bank for that house, that’s what we’d be eating every day for the rest of our lives.
She came to her senses after that.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:25 amWayne
“I don’t care what anybody who supports this idea says. If you don’t support doing the same thing to the northern border that you want done to the southern border”
The northern border dosn’t have 500,000 or more people crossing it illegally each year to move to the US.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:35 amSen. Roberts is giving his opening remarks in the Hayden hearing: the tone is being set. He is hostile to critics, extremely defensive of the administration, and condemns whistleblowers who have compromised our security.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:37 amShould be agreat day. (sarcasm off now)
What offends me about this and the president’s speech Monday night was that not one word was said about trying to secure our border with Canada, our neighbor to the north. Every single argument put forth by the president for sending troops to the southern border could apply equally well to the northern border.
Well, it’s simple, Wayne.
There are more brown people in Mexico than in Canada. And we all know that brown people are more of a threat than Canadians. I’m not sure why that’s the case, it’s just what I’ve been programmed to think by conservatives.
POP.
Now that I’ve removed my tongue from my cheek, I think the real answer is more simple than that. Canada’s economy is getting stronger. Their dollar is strengthening against the US dollar for the first time in years. It hit .90 Canadian just a week or so ago. Things are going pretty well up there.
Now, Mexico…. that’s another story. Take away tourism and the economy is… ummm… hmmm… That’s why so many Mexican citizens want to get into America. Their quality of life can be higher here than it is there.
Now, about the only reason I can think of for supporting strengthening the border to the north is to address the illegal immigrants that are coming to us via Canada. It’s estimated that only 20-25% of illegal immigrants are Mexican nationals and the rest are Indian, African, Asian, Eastern European, and Russian. They can get into the US just as easily from Canada as they can from Mexico.
To me, the whole idea of a fence is stupid. It’s closing the barn door after the horses have already got out. Let’s take the billions we’re going to blow trying to do border security and start cracking down on the business that employ illegal immigrants. Two things will happen then:
1) Prices of a lot of consumables will go up as well as construction costs
May 18th, 2006 at 9:38 am2) Jobs for illegal immigrants will dry up and they’ll stop trying to come to the US anyway
Roberts says the whistleblowers comprimised security — how stupid does he think anay terrorist is? That no one ever thought they might be eavesdropped upon? It’s the domestic spying we are concerned about — Roberts is hostile to everyone who is not in lockstep. He continues.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:39 amCrooks and Liars is down. What happened?
May 18th, 2006 at 9:43 amLate yesterday afternoon, MSNBC reported that a Navy investigation into a marine incident in the Iraqi town of Haditha or something like that in November had concluded our troops had killed 15 unarmed, innocent Iraqi civilians in cold blood and that Rep Murtha had confirmed the report. Not quite Mai Lai, but a pretty significant war crime never the less. What the hell happened to the story?
May 18th, 2006 at 9:44 am“MSNBC reported that a Navy investigation into a marine incident in the Iraqi town of Haditha or something like that in November had concluded our troops had killed 15 unarmed, innocent Iraqi civilians in cold blood and that Rep Murtha had confirmed the report. Not quite Mai Lai, but a pretty significant war crime never the less. What the hell happened to the story?”
Terry, my understanding was that the investigation is currently on going, perhaps thats why it has no play yet, the media wants to make sure its true.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:46 amReporter Judith Miller says she was tipped off in July 2001 of an imminent attack on American soil being ignored by the White House.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:47 amhttp://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Former_NY_Times_reporter_Judith_Miller_0518.html
What if it’s another no-bid contract? Think they’ll stand a chance at getting the job and saving us some tax dollars?
May 18th, 2006 at 9:50 amAdd on to #21
May 18th, 2006 at 9:50 amHeres the link that I found on it
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20060518-123643-4700r.htm
Squeege and bobcat, you forgot one item on the border issue, Canada co-operates with the US on securing the border, something only paid lip service to by out neighbors to the South.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:51 amI agree with you Wayne #13. You are right on, on this one. It only takes one illegal from either border to creat mass devastation. We caught one in Washington a couple of years ago that had snuck down from Canada and was on a Ferry to Seattle with a trunk load of explosives in his car. He was not a Canadian ……All our borders need to be secure, period. All people hideing here with expired visas or no visas need to be sent back to their country. We also need to cut back on the number of visas we hand out. Did you know there were more than 25 thousand visas given out the month after 9/11. Given the track record of our entire administration it is a given that many (bad guys and gals) were allowed in and are still here. A police state is not a good thing on the one hand but total unaccountability and lack of servalance of any kind has gotten us into the mess we are in now….Many states are suffering from the increase of crime and drug trafficing because of our ” war on drugs” not being done. Just like the war on “terror”. Pass the bill, cut the funds…………More madness……….Blessings
May 18th, 2006 at 9:56 amTalk about whistle blowers, how ’bout Judith Miller?
May 18th, 2006 at 9:57 amWhistleblowing usually involves telling the truth.
Can anyone believe anything she ever says again?
Judith, go play with that yellow powder Cheney sent you…
just don’t put it in your mouth.
There are plenty of mosques in Winnipeg, Manitoba. There are signs posted along the city streets to aid the driver to the whereabouts of their locations.
Two men of Arab origin were found in a church in northern Minnesota about three years ago. They were freezing to death and hungry. They were lucky someone found them and came to their aid.
The Canadian/US border is a sieve.
People from South America travel to Mexico and then make it into the US. I worked with an immigrant worker from Mexico City a couple of years ago; he informed me of what was really happening. Mexicans work the tomato fields in Ontario. Mexicans work in the oil fields in the US.
However, a fence on the US/Mexico border is dumb. I suppose illegal immigrants could build it though. I don’t know who else would be willing to do it.
Open borders would work better. A vastly improved Mexican economy would solve some problems too.
Without papers = WOP.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:57 amhear hear on Santo’s input.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:59 am#15,
Right you are (though granted, the actual number must be an estimate). Let it be known that the southern border will henceforward be closed to the economic migration of foreign nationals, whilst the Northern border will remain unguarded, allowing potential terrorists easy access to the heartland of the United States.
There. That makes everything all right. We’re safe now. Secure in the knowledge that the only new migrant laborers picking our crops will be Canadian.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:59 amI agree, one of the best shows ever. Lewis Black talks about religion and John Hodgman talks about taxes and that’s just the warm-up for Stewart’s take-down of this poor, unprepared fool.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:00 amBriseadh na Faire
“Let it be known that the southern border will henceforward be closed to the economic migration of foreign nationals, whilst the Northern border will remain unguarded, allowing potential terrorists easy access to the heartland of the United States.”
One issue at a time, first we deal with the bigger border issue, the Southern Border, then, once thats doing better, we can start focusing on the Northern Border.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:01 amre: the border fence. Philisophically, if you support fencing the southern border, you HAVE TO support fencing the northern border. You can say the northern border doesn’t pose a threat, but you’d be lying to yourself and us (and it’s lying to yourself that makes you look really, really bad). 2 reasons:
1) the northern border is much longer & more developed. more roads going through & right by.
2) the only case of Osama’s crony’s being caught trying to cross a border with explosives and the intent to blow something up in the US was in Washington State back in 1999/2000.
You who are lying to yourself will justify your beliefs with bullshit. We just agree your a closet racist.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:02 amI posted this elsewhere yesterday, but I think it deserves a repeat. Last post before going to work:
This quote:
reminds me of this quote:
What’s next? Perhaps we’ll see these headlines soon:
enjoy the day, friends.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:06 am“The Upside to Nuclear War”
Supposidly it could cause global cooling due to stuff it kicks up into the atmosphere, so maybe we just need to start above ground nuke testing again, combat global warming. It’s a win win, hippies get to combat global warming, the military gets to test new toys.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:08 amWhat happened to crooksandliars.com? Did it switch url’s?
May 18th, 2006 at 10:16 am#17
“I’m not sure why that’s the case, it’s just what I’ve been programmed to think by conservatives.”
That is what you have programmed yourself to think or was that really a joke?
“Canada’s economy is getting stronger.”
Thank in part to conservatives that are in control of the Canadian government.
“Let’s take the billions we’re going to blow trying to do border security and start cracking down on the business that employ illegal immigrants.”
You must FIRST secure the border in order to prevent the people from comming in. Plain and simple. You don’t need “billions” to crack down on businesses that hire illegals. That should be standard protocol which just isn’t inforced as it should be. Maybe when they see that fence going up, the corrupt Mexican govenrment will finally get the hint that the gravy train isn’t going to flow anymore to their economy and they will actually get their oil rich country out of the gutter economically which is presently controlled by drug lords. We should be using part of that money to put pressure on Mexico to improve their economy.
1) Prices of a lot of consumables will go up as well as construction costs
Very true.
2) Jobs for illegal immigrants will dry up and they’ll stop trying to come to the US anyway.
Are you kidding? Considering that there aren’t any jobs to speak of in Mexico and their social services stink, you actually think that they will stop crossing the border? A chance for a better life is better than no chance at all. BTW I agree in fining the businesses the hire illegal aliens
May 18th, 2006 at 10:19 amyeah!!!! we want SANTO’S messages back TP!!!!
Comment by AMTRAK NO BRAKES!!! — May 18, 2006 @ 9:52 am
No WE don’t, just you Santo. You’re not contributing.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:20 amTerry, my understanding was that the investigation is currently on going, perhaps thats why it has no play yet, the media wants to make sure its true.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 18, 2006 @ 9:46 am
Thanks for the joke, Squeege. It woke me up some. Good one…. ‘the media wants to make sure it’s true.” You know, cause that’s been such a large concern of theirs in the past.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:22 amSanto,
Go away. You’ve said you were going everyday now starting three days ago. Just go already.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:25 am#54:
I’m sorry. You don’t get to claim the economy in Canada is getting better due to conservatives who have been in power less than a year.
If you sit there and claim that the US economic recession that started when Bush was in office for less than a year is Clinton’s fault, you don’t get to give Canadian conservatives credit here.
Econonic forces are not that responsive to government policies.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:28 amGood Morning Unbelievable and all. Who’s Santos.?……..One of the few I skiped over I guess………..Blessings
May 18th, 2006 at 10:29 amHalf of my state border Canada.(Maine) We have very little problems with Canadians crossing illegally(not to say it doesn’t happen occassionally) but we have a lot of hispanic migrants, here for the egg industry. Yeh, they keep them behind fences on the property and officials, social workers, have had trouble getting in. This company is known for hiring cheap labor. Border patrols are here regularly. We get many migrant Canadians during apple and potato seasons, but most go home after the season. Generations come and go during the seasons, then return home. Many have done this for years.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:31 amHell, our seniors go to Canada for much of their precription medications, because Canada controls their prescription drug industry, not the pharmacuetical companies, therefore the meds are cheaper than here. Note: we are the only industrial country in the world who does not have government control over the prescription drug industry)
Back to the subject, our notheren borders are easier to cross, due to less border incidents, that is until 9/11, then it did show a serious problem, which needs to be addressed. Not that we have alot of Canadians hammering to come across, but the fact, others who want to do harm, can get in by that route.
PS. Canadians are not demanding citizenship or amnesty here in the US.
Canada is rich with resources. Lots of money in Calgary and Edmonton. However, if you place a magnet on a loonie or a toonie, it sticks. There is iron in them thar Canadian coins. I consider their money worthless.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:32 amJudd:
Check for Santo’s IP address and block incoming traffic from it. He’s not contributing anything here. I prefer non-fact ranting from neo-conservatives over the non-sensical ranting from Santo (and his sad attempt at ‘clever’ aliases).
May 18th, 2006 at 10:33 amGood morning Sharon,
Oh Santo is a disturbed soul who refers to himself as both a ‘he’ and a ‘girl’. Like to yell, insult and spout conspiracy theories. Tries to be the center of attention by bullying and name calling. Definitely someone desperate for attention – and quite delusional. Not worth reading.
Hope you’re enjoying your morning!
May 18th, 2006 at 10:40 amnot implemented yet for when you get around to banning me.
Comment by AMTRAK squegeeboo — May 18, 2006 @ 10:36 am
Love the improvised name… ha ha ha!
We’re liberals. You don’t get banned as long as you’re not a raving psychotic on a soap box with nothing to contribute. I know, you’re not used to inclusion being a conservative and all, but once you get used to it – you’ll never wanna hear ‘flag burning illegalization’ again :)
May 18th, 2006 at 10:44 amSharon-
I do not even read the comments anymore as I know they will not be adding anything to the conversation.
Do you think it is a new kind of troll?
May 18th, 2006 at 10:45 amLove the improvised name… ha ha ha!
Forgot I had done that, meant to fix it after the first post.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:46 amAm I the only one, that these caps are giving a headache? It’s like listening to a 2 yr old having a temper tantrum!
May 18th, 2006 at 11:01 amForgot I had done that, meant to fix it after the first post.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 18, 2006 @ 10:46 am
It was funnier that you stuck with it… Maybe we all should do it :) (just kidding)
May 18th, 2006 at 11:05 amIt’s like listening to a 2 yr old having a temper tantrum!
Comment by Nancy L. — May 18, 2006 @ 11:01 am
All… day… long…
He clearly stopped taking his medicine. He used to just have an unhealthy obsession with IRI, and post on occasion. The last couple of weeks it’s gone full-blown psycho. Ignoring does work either, as you can tell.
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illegal immigration – as an aside – how about the 1.4 million illegal asians?????
May 18th, 2006 at 11:12 amdon’t even say I am on the payroll you raving lunatic…seriosly collect your personalities, get up from the computer and commit yourself…you need to get back on your own meds for your own damn good, this cannot be healthy satan, i mean santo
May 18th, 2006 at 11:13 amAlthough many “think it’s Mexicans, no Chinese,” Robert and Alice Liang belong to the U.S.’ second-largest subgroup of illegal immigrants. The amnesty debate hits home for 1.5 mil Bay Area Asians
that’s just in the Bay Area
May 18th, 2006 at 11:15 amsanto’s a nut.
Judd, you are way more zen than I. I’d a booted his IP & sent a message to his ISP telling them to block his access from there too.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:16 amwe need santo’s messages back now!!!!!
Comment by AMTRAK IS NEAR! — May 18, 2006 @ 11:14 am
Actually, we need the rest of them deleted as well. I posted all the rules you’ve violated just in this thread this morning.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:19 amSANTO!!!! YOU ARE CRAZY!!!! COME TAKE YOUR MEDS!!!!!
May 18th, 2006 at 11:22 am‘Post any content to the Blog that is unlawful, racist, hateful, libelous, defamatory, obscene, or that intentionally discriminates against or harasses particular individuals or groups.’
Unless you call somebody a ‘cracker,’ then it’s ok.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:22 amhey, you get the joke…good fa’ you!
what everyone seems to say is slow down and think before you speak. write what you are going to say, then reread it before you post. slow down, you life-saving, all-important message will get across to more people if you stop foaming at the mouth – I MA HERE PEOPLE I JUST CAN NOT LONGER TELL YOU THE TRUTH!!!…
what the hell is that – your mom is with people, who are short, and you are not lying?
seriously, no one is banning you, or shooting you down, so grow up…you keep acting like this and bush will continue to control the country TROLL
May 18th, 2006 at 11:23 amokay, now this is freakin’ ridiculous. How is it possible to have an intelligent debate? Please be gone. Go rave with your own kind. No one listens to ANARCHISTS. Get a clue.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:23 amWhat did one of the commenters here once say about Santo? Something about it’s cheese having slid off it’s cracker?
May 18th, 2006 at 11:27 amLater, ya’ll.
you know what I think…Santo and his alter-egos are probably BUSH OPERATIVES. That’s the only conclusion I can come up with. This the the ROVE WAY of doing “business”.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:28 amanyone here elite often’s interview on howard this morning
OKAYYYYY, ALRIGHTTTT!
May 18th, 2006 at 11:29 amanyone here elliot often’s interview on howard this morning
OKAYYYYY, ALRIGHTTTT!
May 18th, 2006 at 11:30 amelliot often, my bad
May 18th, 2006 at 11:30 amSANTO COME HOME BABY!!!!!!!! YOU ARE TOO CRAZY TO INTERACT WITH NORMAL PEOLE!!!!!!!
May 18th, 2006 at 11:30 amWARNING – Don’t feed the SANTO!!!!!
May 18th, 2006 at 11:34 amWARNING – Don’t feed the SANTO!!!!!
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — May 18, 2006 @ 11:34 am
It’s feeding itself. No participation necessary.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:35 amYou do realize he’s ruined this thread. like I said no one listens to RANTERS. The message gets lost when your SCREAMED at.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:36 amOn the plus side, this has caused me to finally work on a project in the back of my mind, to set up my own filter for this site so I don’t even have to see the comments of the really annoying people, so hopefully by the end of today I’ll have santo, and anyone else like him filtered out from what I can see (It’s a slow day at work)
May 18th, 2006 at 11:37 amsorry i had some extra breakfast lying around and threw some dried toast at satan, i mean santo…allllrrriiiighhhttt ooookkkkaaaayyyy…..troll traps are tricky
May 18th, 2006 at 11:41 amSqueege will have a very small group of postings to view once his filter is in place.
Buddy, why don’t you just scroll past ‘em. That’s what most of us do till something like santo comes along & we have to say something.
Now, ma, iri, & occasionally you, you all are like an accident you pass on the road. Sometimes, you just have to rubberneck & take a look.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:47 amI think the way we hold elections and vote in the year 2006 is a little embarrassing – very frail, easily manipulated, antiquated machines or new machines that are bugging. The 2000 election was the pinnacle of voting disasters and extremely demoralizing that our great country could fumble so badly. Can the world respect us if we can’t even get the process correct to get our leader right? It is sort of ironic when Bush talks about Iraq voting and the purple finger, that Iraq may be doiing a better job then us. What is worse, 6 years later little has changed for the better.
Of course this is a role of government to create the laws and rules to make our markets work honestly. If the law is broken, the appropriate action should be taken. Unfortunately corporations have huge influences. Without knowing anything specific about these particular people, one might assume if they aren’t victims of a crime, they were simply irresponsible. Watch Oprah and you’ll see people addicted to shopping and spend way beyond their means. No one forced people to buy these homes with these products… It is the same thing with the stock market, no one forced people to buy stocks at high prices. And often when you tell them not, they arent’ so nice. Having said that, this is the ugly side of our current version of capitalism : the deception, aggressive sales, no consideration for the impact on society and peoples lives, the relentless bombardment by those that profit with garbage info, exaggerated claims, short-term thinking, and few if any common sense rational voices to balance the other voices. I think one day we will look back at these McMansions, and wonder what the heck were we thinking from an environmental, social, architectural, and financial perspective. On the one hand, the property taxes from these homes goes to the local government (bigger home means more taxes from you to them — they are very happy), but on the other hand the owners can deduct local property taxes and the mortgage interest on the Schedule A tax form. So are we subsidizing someone’s living choice? A home fine, a McMansion, hhhmmm?
Can we believe the numbers? The way the CPI is calculated seems like one big magic show. The basket of goods they use and manipulate. I wonder when they measure the price of bread do they substitute Wonder Bread for Natural Oven bread. Do they replace natural food with chemically processed cancer causing hardening of the arteries food products? And when they look at technology, not all improvements are beneficial, they are more cosmetic, so I wouldn’t want to buy it in the first place but they have the discretion of saying you are getting more for your money. HHHmmm….
I watched Gingrich a little on Sunday. He is a very good speaker. I’m not quite sure about his own ethics, but when asked about ethics and corruption in politics he said it is on both sides and then proceeded to name a couple Democrats specifically, but he didn’t name one Republican. And if you look at the news these days, who is going to prison, it is Republicans. It felt like a political deflection tactic. Although Jay Leno is having a nightly gag regarding Patrick Kennedy. Ho hum :-(
May 18th, 2006 at 11:49 amkindess,
Generally I agree with you, but for people like this I just don’t even want to have to bother with scrolling past, Better to just see the number with “Comment Deleted: Name” if it’s interesting enough to rubberneck on, someone else comments on it, and then I can turn themback on.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:51 amSanto – your incoherent ramblings may make sense only to you – but that’s because you are crazy.
Try looking at the world through a sane persons eyes and you will realize that everything you post is meaningless drivel.
Spare us Please!!!!
May 18th, 2006 at 11:52 amThis story is over at DKos:
Feingold, Specter clash over gay marriage
WASHINGTON –A Senate committee approved a constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriage Thursday, after a shouting match that ended when one Democrat strode out and the Republican chairman bid him “good riddance.”
“I don’t need to be lectured by you. You are no more a protector of the Constitution than am I,” Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., shouted after Sen. Russ Feingold declared his opposition to the amendment, his affinity for the Constitution and his intention to leave the meeting.
“If you want to leave, good riddance,” Specter finished.
“I’ve enjoyed your lecture, too, Mr. Chairman,” replied Feingold, D-Wis., who is considering a run for president in 2008. “See ya.”
Maybe TP will do a thread?
May 18th, 2006 at 12:04 pmI cannot stand Spector. He holds himself out to be a centrist, but he is just as conservative as Bush. I dislike him even more than Bush, if that is at all possible, because he pretends to want to uphold the constitution, then he does nothing about the violations that are occurring.
May 18th, 2006 at 12:15 pmNew Italian Prime Minister Romano Prodi acknowledged the true impact of the Iraq war: “We consider the war and occupation in Iraq a grave error that hasn’t solved – but has complicated – the problem of security. … Terrorism has found a new base and new excuses for internal and external terrorist action.â€
…EVERYONE and EVERYTHING the Bushites touch…
…is/are tainted…
…what’s, “Oh sh*t”, in Italian?
May 18th, 2006 at 12:43 pm#62
“…the US economic recession that started when Bush was in office”
The recession started in the summer of 2000.
“Econonic forces are not that responsive to government policies.”
Tax policies most definitely affect those economic forces.
May 18th, 2006 at 12:48 pmWow… I see Santo is coming undone, and flirting with insanity this morning… like the rest of us won’t figure out AMTRAK, etc. are also him/her…
On topic, this is alarming: “Heavy fighting involving several hundred Taliban fighters and Afghan and coalition forces in southern Afghanistan”
“Several hundred”? I guess Pres Bush won’t be trumpeting Afghanistan as his foreign policy success story anymore. Although his minions are a whole different story.
May 18th, 2006 at 12:48 pmOh man, SANTO/AMTRAK, for all your comments, all I see is one line “Comment Deleted” and it’s wonderful, just wonderful, it’s like your dead to me.
Tracy
May 18th, 2006 at 1:14 pmAbout the Recession, the #1 institute that decides those things places it at march 2001, however they do note there were some signs of a slowing economy starting in the 4th quarter 2000. So the recession wasn’t in 2000, but their was an economic downturn.
Whats that buddy? All I can see is:
Comment #167
Comment Deleted:SANTO
Comment #168
Comment Deleted:AMTRAK
Better luck next time.
May 18th, 2006 at 1:24 pm#166, yes but the one that’s coming is all Chimpy’s, all Chimpy’s
May 18th, 2006 at 1:26 pmSqueege – thanks. We don’t agree on alot of issues, but I appreciate being able to talk. And surprisingly to some, we do agree on some issues. I’m liberal but with a libertarian fiscal conservative bent.
Now santos – I’m kinda finding it funny. I know that’s in poor taste, to find the unfortunate or mentally ill funny. I’m not Budda, Jesus, Mohammed or any other sainted individual.
May 18th, 2006 at 1:27 pmSo, wait… You are admitting that Bush and the Rethugs’ tax policy has had a negative impact on the economy? Which are you doing? Having your cake or eating it? You can’t do both!
May 18th, 2006 at 1:33 pmInsanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
May 18th, 2006 at 1:36 pm– Albert Einstein
#166 – Thanks, Squeegy. I knew I had read that recently on a TP thread.
I wish you could get rid of the whacko’s posts for all of us. ;)
May 18th, 2006 at 1:36 pmmadashell!!!
Zookeeper !!!
and the rest of the bush followers:
YOU ARE LOSERS!! LOSERS!! LOSERS!! LOSERS!! LOSERS!! LOSERS!!
…AND WE LOVE SANTO!…SANTO SANTO SANTO SANTO SANTO SANTO!!!
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
- Albert Einstein
I’ve just PROVEN my point. thank you.
May 18th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#161 the stock market started its slide in 2000, but the Bush Administration did a study on the economic downturn in the economy and found that it started, according to their research, in the spring of 2001. Of course that report did not get wide spread notice in the liberal bush hating press.
May 18th, 2006 at 1:49 pmSo the recession wasn’t in 2000, but their was an economic downturn.
Comment by squegeeboo #166
queasybooger and T’rashy,
Get over it…
…you won, remember?
America’s economic woes are all a Bushite creation…
The criminal Bushiva (your god) came into the 2000 election talking down (the prosperous) Clinton economy…
…saying how inflationary pressures from an overheated stock market needed to be curtailed…
…and the corporate owned Bushite media (CNBC- and the stock analysts) were ALL parroting Bushiva’s lies…
…Alan Greenspun- Bushiva’s lackey at the fed (I know he was there during Clinton, but he’s a Bushite republiscum too)- coined the phrase, “irrational exuberance”, to also talk down the economy and instituted somewhere around twelve to fifteen interest rate hikes to “brake” down the RED hot economy…
REASON WHY?:
(old fart- good old boy conservative- stalwart) Oil and gas stocks were in the sh*tter…
…(progressive-thinking- innovative- new day American) tech stocks were on a roll…
…that good old boy “Oracle of Omaha” (and Berkshire Hathaway) weren’t positioned in (and were in fact critical of the tech sector)…
…the criminal Bushites and their big Oil/Pharma/Insurance/Robber baron constituents had to make those good old boy stocks rebound by tearing down the “NEW” (Clinton-era) tech stock driven market…
…so queasy and T’rashy your revisionist lies won’t wash…
…Bushiva talked us into an artificial “recession”…
…learn your history bi*ches…
May 18th, 2006 at 1:54 pmcheck this out!!!
Bush Is Now a Lame Duck
By Dick Meyer
CBS News
Wednesday 17 May 2006
Forget November, forget ‘08; president is done.
Washington – The great impulse of the punditocracy right now is to look at President Bush’s swelling problems with the public and his party in the context of the elections coming up in November and then in 2008. Big mistake.
Short of another disaster on the scale of 9/11, George Bush no longer has the power, credibility or ability to effectively govern for the rest of his term in office. Contrary to what you hear on television, governing remains more important than campaigning. Government is more important than elections – to the extent the two can be differentiated anymore.
Bush’s realm of efficacy will be limited to areas where he can make unilateral decisions, mostly in war and foreign policy. The tax cuts that oozed through Congress last week may well be his last “significant” piece of domestic legislation; I put quotations around significant because they are, in fact temporary. The entire menu of Bush tax tinkering is set to expire in 2010 on someone else’s watch, an apt metaphor for this administration.
The Bush administration is now locked in a triple-hammer hold that would defeat Houdini.
Public support for this president has evaporated to historic lows. Last week’s CBS News/New York Times poll put Bush’s approval rating at an embarrassing 31 percent. In this week’s ABC News/Washington Post poll, voters trusted Democrats over Republicans to handle all 10 of the major issues the pollsters asked about. That’s a new one. The new polling is consistent with a long, relentless erosion of public support.
Faced with his unpopularity, the Republican Party, quite naturally, is fighting. Senate and House Republicans are in almost open warfare. The House is hawkish and loud on immigration policy, the Senate dovish and conciliatory. House Leader John Boehner called Leader Frist’s call for a $100 gas rebate “insulting,” a week after Speaker Hastert dissed General Hayden, the president’s choice for the CIA. In February, the House shafted both the Senate and the House by killing the Dubai ports deal.
On the more distant right flank, the party’s Christian soldiers have stopped being such good soldiers. They are furious that Bush and the Republican Congress have delivered lip service but no action on issues like gay marriage, immigration, prayer in school, obscenity standards and abortion.
“I can’t tell you how much anger there is at the Republican leadership,” Richard Viguerie, a veteran conservative consultant and activist told The New York Times. “I have never seen anything like it.”
An influential pocket of conservatives that doesn’t have social issues at the front of its agenda is equally irritated and equally vocal. A fine example is Bruce Bartlett, a conservative economist long influential in the party, who has just written a book called “Impostor” that skewers this administration for its deficits and unwillingness to deal with the great looming crises in entitlement programs.
The vaunted brilliance and corporate organization of Rove/Bush Inc. has been pretty much blown away in the second term. Rove is fighting off an indictment. From the Dubai deal to the Harriet Miers death march, the White House’s political ear seems to be getting tinnier. Porter Goss’ appointment to the CIA was a disaster not just politically but substantively. In his second term, the president has never reached outside his core circle for advisers, staff or ideas.
Will all this lead to a Democratic field day in November? Who knows; and not to be flip, but who cares? Polls show Congress is held in low esteem similar to the president’s. Democratic gains would simply lead to continued do-nothingism. And the ramifications for 2008, I believe, are nil. 2008 will be about two people, not the performance of congressional Democrats in 2007 and 2008.
But what is apparent, is that George Bush has at his disposal none – none – of the tools presidents have used to turn bad situations around: public support, party support or skilled statecraft. He’s a lame duck less than two years in to his second term. You are not being governed.
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May 18th, 2006 at 1:59 pmDick Meyer is the editorial director of CBSNews.com.
take more of your meds dude, the dosage they have you on, it isn’t working.
May 18th, 2006 at 2:20 pmWow, I like your condesced posts better, it’s a total of 3 lines for me:
May 18th, 2006 at 2:23 pmComment #183Deleted: Santo
Comment #184Deleted: Santo
Comment #185Deleted: Santo
Santo and all the other people running around in it’s head please report to the infirmary it is time for your medication NOW….
May 18th, 2006 at 2:32 pmYeah, I agree, Bush is a lame duck president unless he makes a major move.
May 18th, 2006 at 2:34 pm#180
“America’s economic woes are all a Bushite creation…”
Economic woes? What are you smoking?
http://www.jobweb.com/joboutlook/2006/default.htm
“…saying how inflationary pressures from an overheated stock market needed to be curtailed…”
“The criminal Bushiva (your god) came into the 2000 election talking down (the prosperous) Clinton economy…”
An then the tech bubble busted…big time and NASDAQ lost over half it’s value. Both were correct.
“…(progressive-thinking- innovative- new day American) tech stocks were on a roll…”
I hope you aren’t suggesting the liberals, code for progressive, are somehow responsible for the creation of those new tech companies? LOL!
“by tearing down the “NEW†(Clinton-era) tech stock driven market…”
Tear it down? All that “fake” tech growth in the NASDAQ during the late 1990s and 2000 was proven to be true by the tech bubble busting!
http://www.usatoday.com/money/markets/us/2005-03-10-nasdaq-usat_x.htm
The recession started in 2000.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A38826-2004Jan22?language=printer
May 18th, 2006 at 2:35 pmComment by madashell #182
madashell,
Then somebody had better inform Congress…
…those bi*ches just passed Bushiva’s $70 billion dollar tax break for the wealthy/loan on the backs of the middle/working class…
…and that scumbag criminal’s (Bushiva’s) nominee for the CIA job is going to be confirmed…
…and just last week (or two weeks ago) Bushiva signed into law some other piece of fu*ked up Republiscum-rushed legislation…
…so for alame duck…
…this criminal basta*d is sure doing some nifty (fleet footed) running of his wishes through this criminal Congress…
…and IMPEACHMENT of this mass murdering sonofabi*ch has (according to Pelosi) been taken off the table to boot!
May 18th, 2006 at 2:40 pmTracy please reinsert your head up your a$$ after comments like those it behooves your position on the matters to have the proper stance while your pronounciations are being spun for the idiot in chief…
May 18th, 2006 at 2:42 pmThe recession started in 2000.
Comment by Tracy — May 18, 2006 @ 2:35 pm
I might be wrong but, that I know, the NBER still hasn’t changed their official decision that the recession began in March 2001.
The article you linked did not state otherwise, merely that the NBER might revise its decision.
May 18th, 2006 at 2:48 pm15000 March In Turkey
“More than 15,000 Turks, from students to judges still dressed in their robes, marched Thursday in the capital to support secularism and to condemn a courtroom shooting that killed one judge and wounded four others.”
HURRAY SECULARISM
Ha, I changed what it says when santo posts so now it seems all cute and fun
May 18th, 2006 at 2:57 pmComment #195 I’m a fluffy bunny
Awwww, isn’t that nice, suddenly it seems so much better, who’s a little bunny, you are, you are.
Santo, I for one am not interested in all your village in your head people, but please do report for your meds, it does help …us at least…
May 18th, 2006 at 3:02 pmSanto is that SSSHHHHHHH the air rushing out of your head, I see it quite often in your posts, if it is stick your finger in your mouth and it might quit
May 18th, 2006 at 3:12 pmQuote from Tracy’s link to an article written in Jan. of 2004:
“We have discussed it already and there seems to be some inclination to move the date” to some time in the last three months of 2000, said Victor Zarnowitz. He is a member of the National Bureau of Economic Research’s business cycle dating committee, which determines the widely accepted start and end dates to U.S. recessions.”
Your google search didn’t turn up anything more recent (or provable); this weak attempt at placing blame on the Clinton years is more tripe.
May 18th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThe chimp is giving his “border” speech now — I hope TP will provide the facts to dispute what he says — has he really increased border security 66%?
May 18th, 2006 at 4:00 pmMust be a new side effect of Santo’s meds all the profanity ..might require a time out though.
May 18th, 2006 at 4:10 pmMust be a new side effect of Santo’s meds all the profanity ..might require a time out though.
Comment by Clif — May 18, 2006 @ 4:10 pm
I think Judd has been trying. She just seems to be doing the same that wwallace did – changing IP addresses.
Doesn’t seem to be anything to get her to shut up. Ignorning her makes her violent. Joking with her makes her violent. Reasoning with her makes her violent. Must be the constant SSSSHHHHHHH noise in her head :)
May 18th, 2006 at 4:16 pmSanto,
Unlike you, I don’t need a pimp.
May 18th, 2006 at 4:37 pm.GOD IS MY PIMP!…..NOW BE QUITE!…..
Comment by SANTO GNENDE — May 18, 2006 @ 4:39 pm
Santo try taking your own advice and be quiet, or yell but SHUT the computer off.
May 18th, 2006 at 4:46 pmJudd
How about allowing us users to have an ignore list or some such thing
May 18th, 2006 at 4:49 pmSanto your tired go to sleep…deep sleep…go to sleep..deep sleep
May 18th, 2006 at 5:18 pmI’m thinking wildly out of control bi-polar.
May 18th, 2006 at 5:28 pmTed, Ted Kaczinski is that you?
May 18th, 2006 at 5:30 pmClif,
The spoofing seems to wear SATAN down. And is hilarious. Good job.
It’s become a train wreck – but a cartoon version. You just keep wondering how long the rant will go on and on and on…
May 18th, 2006 at 5:40 pmIt actually is quite fun to spoof it but I hope it does not take it too personnally because I for one would not want two or three other personalities on my conscience
May 18th, 2006 at 5:44 pmI think SYBIL takes everything personally, unfortunately. But I would bet it takes more than a few jokes to splinter a splinter… She already talks to herself – in public.
May 18th, 2006 at 5:48 pmSANTO SYBIL,
The proper spelling of the word is ‘quiet’ not ‘quite’ http://www.dictionary,com
And why don’t you go first. Show us how it’s done.
May 18th, 2006 at 6:02 pmDamn it woke up we typed too loud.
May 18th, 2006 at 6:04 pmI see that it’s nap didn’t help either…
May 18th, 2006 at 6:17 pmNot according to my mother or daughters…but bloviate onward to where ever you must but silently we wouldn’t want to wake your other personalities….
May 18th, 2006 at 6:25 pmSYBIL,
There is no god. And it’s your parents who make you. Hence the whole pregnancy and birth stuff?
And the only one who is being told to STFU is you. Give us a demostration. A nice long one just we know what you mean. Go ahead.
May 18th, 2006 at 6:27 pmAnd our mis-rants are a bit funnier than it’s illogical rants…
May 18th, 2006 at 6:36 pmClif,
You’re right… Scary, huh?
May 18th, 2006 at 6:43 pmExhausting…
May 18th, 2006 at 6:44 pmSYBIL,
I refuse to click any of your links. I don’t want my computer to get worms or virtual herpes or whatever..
But you’re gonna show us how that STFU thing works. Starting… NOW!
May 18th, 2006 at 6:45 pmTed, Ted Kaczinsky is that you? How many hours of internet access do they let you have each day?
May 18th, 2006 at 6:46 pmExhausting…
Comment by Zookeeper — May 18, 2006 @ 6:44 pm
It’s become a game now. A puzzle of sorts. Kinda like a new version of whack-a-troll – but this one doesn’t go down it you just whack it…
May 18th, 2006 at 6:48 pm[...] Think Progress [...]
May 18th, 2006 at 6:51 pmMay 18th, 2006 at 6:55 pm
My post cut off above… Odd. Oh well… SYBIL seems to be losing steam. Perhaps the lithium is finally kicking in. Until tomorrow.
Off to dinner and The Daily Show Cobert Report repeats… ‘Later guys.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:00 pmAs the immigration bill debate goes on in the senate, the bounce of 2 points that Bush has recieved, will surely go into a tailspin.
This senate bill, which Rove and the WH are writing is a sham, and as it leaks into the MSM. Bisj will sink as sure as hell.
The IRS is reporting that there are at least 4 million W-2 forms that cant be matched up, wrong SS numbers. There are 243 people using the same womans social security number. This is identity theft and is a FELONY.
Bush wants all forgiven, including the felons. In fact, he wants the Mexican felons sitting in amurkan prisons to be elgible for citizenship also. This amendment was voted down today, but 13 senators voted for it. I would like to know who they were. Go to loudobbs.com to find out.
Now comes the kicker. The 4 million plus who are paying taxes using phony SS numbers, and stolen identify numbers, over the years have paid into SS some 50 billion, yes, billion with a b. That money just sits in the SS Administration, but wait, Bush has plans for it. He will transfer it into the general fund before he leaves office to offset some of the deficit. Cute eh what?
All of this should hit the MSM in the next couple of days and when it does, bye bye Bushie.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:31 pm#106
The official position of the NBER is that the recession started in March 2001 as Gregor Samsa correctly stated. I am not placing blame for the most recent recession squarely on Clinton’s sholders (that would be giving him way too much credit), just that Bush’s economic policies weren’t even place when it started….offically. The current economic growth that the U.S. is in the mist of however, is partly because of the Bush tax cuts, as a matter of fact.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:40 pm#106
The official position of the NBER is that the recession started in March 2001 as Gregor Samsa correctly stated. I am not placing blame for the most recent recession squarely on Clinton’s sholders (that would be giving him way too much credit), just that Bush’s economic policies weren’t even place when it started….offically. The current economic growth that the U.S. is in the mist of however, is partly because of the Bush tax cuts, as a matter of fact.
May 18th, 2006 at 7:40 pmSayingf it the second time doesn’t make it any more less deceptive but you repugs keep trying
May 18th, 2006 at 7:50 pmIf Tom Delay escapes scrutiny from this committee, we know the rule of law in the USA is as meaningless as the rule of law elsewhere (burrma, say).
May 18th, 2006 at 8:59 pmTP, I don’t know what you did, but thanks for getting rid of Santo — for now.
Ahhhh.
Now many of our posts make very little sense!
May 18th, 2006 at 9:18 pmZookeeper it is one of those your had to be there or it doesn’t make any sense….but it was interesting and a wee bit fun
May 18th, 2006 at 9:27 pmDuring the Clinton years, the DJIA grew from 3000 to 10500 (350% in 8 years). During the Bush years, it has been stagnent (10% in 6 years). Scarcely a statement of success. When Clinton left office, the dollar was worth 1.12 Euros, now its worth .81.
May 18th, 2006 at 9:41 pmWalt please do not confuse the bloviaters of spin here with facts that we know have such a liberal bent….
May 18th, 2006 at 9:47 pmClif,
May 18th, 2006 at 9:55 pmI merely look on the financial pages.
crooks and liars seems to be back up and running.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:01 pmWalt….I understand on another blog we have a troll daily that touts the good stock market almost at the high it achieved 6 years ago..and when we ask in the terms of inflation what would be the stock market high that would be necessary to actually break the record…nothing just hate speech about liberals don’t know jack and what losers we are….
May 18th, 2006 at 10:02 pm#140 – but it was interesting and a wee bit fun
Comment by Clif
Ok, I’ll admit it was quite fascinating, but I wouldn’t want to do it again – ever.
May 18th, 2006 at 10:14 pm#144 – Thank goodness! I’m over there…
May 18th, 2006 at 10:16 pmClif,
May 18th, 2006 at 10:44 pmDo as I have – I moved my 401K funds into the Euro market. It grows at 11-14% per year. I screwed up with the Yuan – could have reaped big money with an investment a few days ago. Missed that one by a mile. Did not believe that the Chinese rulers would let the currency float by 8-12%. The shrinking dollar is an opportunity for Americans to invest overseas. Up until W came onto the stage, investment flowed in the opposite direction.
Walt living on a disabled vets pension and having a young daughter i do not have any moneyt to speculate with
May 18th, 2006 at 10:53 pmSo now that they have a Democrat to investigate, not just Republicans, the House Ethics Committee is finally ready to do their job. And I am sure the Democrat is first on the list. And once they are finished with him, it will be a case of “something suddenly came up” and no investigation of the Republican will be forthcoming. But they will say that they were on it, getting it done, exposing Democratic corruption. I can see it all now. Sheesh.
May 18th, 2006 at 11:42 pmClif,
May 19th, 2006 at 12:22 amI figuratively weep for your plight and can only pray that (y)our government steps up to the task of resolving your situation.
The current economic growth that the U.S. is in the mist(SIC) of however, is partly because of the Bush tax cuts, as a matter of fact.
Comment by Tracy —
#135, 136
May 19th, 2006 at 2:34 amWhat an interesting–perhaps Freudian–misspelling or typo. The mist (or perhaps fog) of current economic growth under Bush!
midst…a misspelling…definitely not unclear economic growth. Of course it would be mist for those who are clueless about today’s U.S. business and/or economics.
May 19th, 2006 at 12:16 pm#141
What exactly did Clinton do to propel the DOW from 3000 to over 10,500?
May 19th, 2006 at 12:19 pmWalt & Clif. Six years ago, I lost $3,000 over a 3 month period on my 403(B) for non-profits, then less than 6 months after, I lost my job of 12 yrs to budget cuts. Within a year, I had to cash in my annunity and use the money to save my home. Since then it’s been all downhill. Then I listen to all the bribes, kickbacks and whinning because there’s a limit on a $50 lunch. Jeez, give me a break. I considered myself one of the lucky ones, I have a roof over my head, and food on the table, course now I have to cross heat off my list since I live in a winter state and may not be able to afford oil this coming winter. But if the economy is booming, please tell me where, cause it ain’t here!
May 19th, 2006 at 1:00 pmSorry about getting off the subject, just felt the need to let off some steam.
May 19th, 2006 at 1:08 pmOf course it would be mist for those who are clueless about today’s U.S. business and/or economics.
Comment by Tracy —
And one of these days the neo-cons will have their heads cleared of the mist surrounding the record and still-growing deficit created by Bush and the GOP–particularly when some of our creditor countries start asking the US to repay its debts. (And please don’t bother me with arguments; I already know “it’s all Clinton’s fault”)
May 19th, 2006 at 10:08 pm#156
Progress during the 1990s was set by the previous decade, i.e. the 1980s. Deficits whinning have been the mantra for liberals for years. It old and irrelevant especially when those countries know that virtual guaranteed return on their investment. History is hard to argue with.
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