$2.2 billion.
By on May 21st, 2006 at 10:14 am
$2.2 billion.
Tax hike on teenagers signed into law by President Bush this week, despite a 1999 pledge to veto any tax increase.
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They’re taxing people who aren’t old enough to vote? That’s despicable.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:31 amTax increase on teenagers? What does that mean?
May 21st, 2006 at 10:32 amI am not sure how you tax teenagers? Do you take away some money from their newspaper route job? Do you charge them more for drinking soda or eating junk food? The Bush Regime is just plain nuts!!!
May 21st, 2006 at 10:37 amLol im glad im over 20 at this point… :)
R2K
May 21st, 2006 at 10:42 amWe must do whatever we can to protect the elite and the most wealthy and well off. So they can trickle down on the “little people”.
-GSD
May 21st, 2006 at 10:47 amNow for a new slogan, and a new T Shirt for your kids:
No taxation without representation.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:49 amThe tax increase on teenagers ages 14 – 17 is on their investments for their futures. The investments targeted are savings and investments that Bush DECREASED for the nations wealthiest taxpayers just a few weeks ago when he made the tax cuts permanent. The tax increases range up toe 35%.
Me thinks perhaps Bush has lost another voting bloc of the future.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:52 amPaul~
May 21st, 2006 at 10:59 amDisenfranchising the next generation of neocons is right on target. This cult has never worried about tomorrow. How’d you like the great Grover Norquist taking a stand for these teenagers? Yeah, I’m sure Norquist will have that tax bill rescinded…he’ll get back to us in about 20 years…when the teenagers of today have formed vigilante groups lookin’ for the bounty on anything Republican.
So if the parents save into a Section 529 plan, it is tax free, but all of the money that a kid earns from the sweat of his/her brow is taxed at 15 – 35%. Sounds fair to me.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:00 amNo taxation without representation.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 21, 2006 @ 10:49 am
I’ve told them that they already owe the government $30,000 for their share of the national deficit. Got them pretty pissed off actually. Wait to they hear this one. None of them will vote Republican by the time they can vote. Well, unless they regress into sheep… which seems to be more common than not.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:18 amright – tax ‘em some more now, and then private schools will drive them 100k into debt, that can be paid back indefinitely with higher rates on these loans. what a racket.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:26 amunbelievable
What I don’t get is, say you are a Republican parent, not one of the rich guys but just a normal Republican parent right?
Bush has cut bursary funding and student loans right? So you grumble a bit about it, but your kid can contribute a bit, and get a part time job to help pay for his future college tuition, and earn some pocket money on the side. Your kid thought ahead, being a bright youngster, and invested the money. You are very proud of that.
Now you hear that Bush has decided to up your kid’s taxes.
When does the good Republican parent start thinking that this is unacceptable?
May 21st, 2006 at 11:32 amKeep everyone uneducated, that way the minimum wage can stay right where it is for the next fifteen years. Let’s make sure that next generation doesn’t get a leg up!
May 21st, 2006 at 11:38 amNot a rich Republican?
What kind of sick traitor votes Republinazi if they’re not rich and crooks?
May 21st, 2006 at 11:39 amSurprised? No, just more tax breaks for the rich at the expense of the poor. These greedy bastards have got to go. I hope these teenagers’ parents remember the tax increase on their children when voting in November.
I heard Governor Rendell speak last night (PA) and he mentioned the “tax break” to the rich and he said that he and his wife didn’t buy anything with their tax break that they couldn’t have bought without the tax break. The Governor said that his tax break could have been better spent on health care, education and other government programs than giving the money back to him. Bill Clinton said the same thing.
When I was 21, I chose NOT to register Republican because the Republican party looked like nothing more than a bunch of money hungry, self absorbed, greedy suits. It still is. I was right then and I’m still right in this judgement.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:49 am“But Mr. Norquist called the bill raising taxes on teenagers with investment income “a technical violation of the pledge” and noted that his group opposes all retroactive tax increases. He pledged to immediately begin a campaign to have the tax increases rescinded.
a “technical violation”??? a fine example of word parsing…
and when enough kids hear about this – shout it out loud and often – grover’s campaign to rescind will not happen soon enough…
May 21st, 2006 at 11:54 amMr. Norquist, in an interview Thursday, said he was unaware that the bill raised taxes and tax rates on teenagers with college savings funds because “no one here noticed” the provisions
And these people are Financial Tax Wizards? I guess you are supposed to believe, just like all the other Bush lies, that this was just a mistake, an oversight, we were out of the loop, forgot, misremembered….
May 21st, 2006 at 12:02 pmWhen does the good Republican parent start thinking that this is unacceptable?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 21, 2006 @ 11:32 am
Bruce,
Like organized religion – the Right, to varying degrees, has blind faith in the conservative system. My parents did. Even though the Republicans made their lives more difficult (when I was a student I had to may taxes because Bush Senior removed the ability for college students to be fully exempt, and I don’t remember hearing a cross word from my father about it. He believed the Trickle Down nonsense).
There are reasons I left the Republican Party. And they all have to do with thinking. :)
Crazy how a certain percentage of people won’t question the system. No matter what the price, huh?
May 21st, 2006 at 12:04 pmKaty,
“a “technical violationâ€??? a fine example of word parsing…”
Remember when Libby was indicted for lying to a Grand Jury? That was a “technical violation” and not a real crime.
But when Clinton lied to a Grand Jury, it was not only a real crime, it was a “high crime and misdemeanor” worthy of impeachment.
Word parsing, or the arrogance of power?
On topic: look who this tax increase really hits: middle class families. The super rich who were taking advantage of this will lose as well, but they can afford the hit. The middle class families, those parents looking for a way to make thier child’s life better can ill afford to make up the difference.
May 21st, 2006 at 12:05 pmThis tax increase is most likely un-legally documented.
May 21st, 2006 at 12:11 pmI earned a college degree. I didn’t get an education until I paid for my college loans.
These days, with the cost of a college education beyond its justification, it is dumb to matriculate at an institution of higher learning. A young person is better off finding gainful employment and earning money instead of borrowing it. They will be light years ahead of the game. If you don’t believe me, ask Bill Gates. He’s a college dropout. Ask Walter Cronkite, he doesn’t have a college degree.
Guaranteed government student loans are a feigned subvention. Earn money, don’t borrow it. The government relies upon silly notions of borrowing money for its own selfish interests.
Of course I’m cynical and it blurs my judgment, that’s the way it goes moving west.
The US government was at one time there to serve the individual, but now it only serves its own greed and nothing else. Whoever they can hoodwink into paying more taxes, that’s what they’ll do. There will never be enough money for the US government. Period. Today, here on earth, May 21, 2006.
Neither lender nor borrower be
May 21st, 2006 at 12:14 pmUnbelievable, I read an article yesterday (http://michaelmoore.com/words/latestnews/index.php?id=6945) explaining that Bush was losing the conservative base. Not for what He is doing, but for what He has left undone: banning abortion and passing an Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America that discriminates based on gender:
To a sizable percentage of the population, those are the only two issues that really matter. There seems to be this sort of insane hope that if only we outlaw abortion and same-sex relationships, everything else in the world will be made right.
May 21st, 2006 at 12:15 pm# 19 Faire:
‘Word parsing,or the arrogance of power?’
Both,and hypocrisy.
May 21st, 2006 at 12:16 pmThere seems to be this sort of insane hope that if only we outlaw abortion and same-sex relationships, everything else in the world will be made right.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 21, 2006 @ 12:15 pm
And force everyone to be Christian.
As Truman Capote said “More tears have been shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones.”
May 21st, 2006 at 12:28 pmUnbelievable, And force everyone to be Christian.
I would have put ‘Christian’ in quotes. The ‘evangelical christians’ are hell-bent on forcing everyone into subservience to their perversion of Christ’s teachings, something which Christ himself never did.
May 21st, 2006 at 12:56 pmAnyone who had bothered to look at the FAFSA forms would have known not to save for college in a child’s name. Under the financial aid regimen,your child is expected to put one third of their savings toward annual college costs each year. In addition,parents are expected to pay 6% of savings before qualifying for loans etc. at the federal level. The figures are adjusted for each additional student. I stopped putting money aside in my kids’ names long ago both because of the FAFSA requirements as well as under previous tax law,their earnings were included in my income anyway.
May 21st, 2006 at 1:06 pmOne would have thought that a tax increase,even an inadvertent one,would have been met with someting other than derision here but I guess if the target of the tax isn’t to your liking,it’s just another example of the government gone wild.
When does the good Republican parent start thinking that this is unacceptable?
Comment by Bruce Gorton
When we start letting the gays marry.
May 21st, 2006 at 1:10 pm/sarcasm off
#26 – Absolutely, TJM. I realized this in 2000 when Zoo Jr the Elder and I were filling out the FAFSA form. I immediately stopped putting money in his and his younger brother’s savings accounts. I just put the money in my own account and keep track of it. Disgusting racket.
May 21st, 2006 at 1:16 pmI would have put ‘Christian’ in quotes
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — May 21, 2006 @ 12:56 pm
Being an Atheist, I put all organized religions in the same pot. Unnecessary.
If someone wants a religionship with a spiritual essence, then they should define what that means to them. Basically create their own ideology.
Except for Buddhism, every organized religion has waged war in its name. So, I don’t differentiate bewteen sects of Christianity. After all, Jesus claimed to be a philosopher with a message of love and zero adulation for him. Christianity in the religion sense goes against his teachings, as he said that others were no less the children of god than he himself was.
May 21st, 2006 at 1:25 pmunbelievable
Well said, and frighteningly close to my views on the subject.
May 21st, 2006 at 1:29 pmThe only thing that “trickles down” from the high and the mighty and the well-to-do Repugnants is their waste water! As for Bush…once a liar, always a liar. But he will hasten to tell you that he doesn’t lie. Sorry Chimpy, not even a two-year old is not bright enough to see through your lies. My faith is in a just God who calls all of us to account for our actions. I would suggest that as soon as possible Georgy go into a monastery to prepare for meeting Jesus. Something tells me Jesus is not happy with the way Georgy is treating the rest of us.
May 21st, 2006 at 1:34 pmWell said, and frighteningly close to my views on the subject.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 21, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
Watch… as this is America, someone will throw stones at me for saying it.
And then accuse the both of us of believing what we read off infidels.org instead of accepting that thinking people can come to similar conclusions because they are based on reason. (I don’t even visit or read infidels.org’s website).
Is it any different in South Africa? Do the organized religious try to force their views upon people? I mean we all do share vestiges of the British Empire.
May 21st, 2006 at 1:35 pmunbelievable
We recently came off of having the churches basically shoved down our throats, so we are currently in a bit of a phase where you can be whatever you want. Growing up I still remember having hymns in assembly, Bible studies, school nativities etc… They basically made me a better atheist. Bible studies was the only subject where I got told there was such a thing as an evil question.
Currently for seperation of Church and our immensely corrupt state, well, lets put it this way, the VP has multiple wives, the leader of the opposition is Jewish, and the biggest ally to the people in power is the communist party.
May 21st, 2006 at 2:01 pmIn other words, to answer your question they tried, succeeded for a short while but ultimately failed miserably, and now we are just a bit suspicious of them.
May 21st, 2006 at 2:04 pmthere really IS a site “infedels.org”???
May 21st, 2006 at 2:05 pmi thought iris was “joking”…
Yes, it was my parents extreme religiosity and them forcing me to go to Sunday school that helped me learn about the real Christianity. It is all abou the collection plate.
May 21st, 2006 at 2:21 pmThey basically made me a better atheist.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 21, 2006 @ 2:01 pm
Classic! Were your parents Atheists or did you just manage, at an early age, to unplug yourself from the hoax?
So if you saythat you are an Atheist in public venues – like work or in a restuarant you don’t get treaty poorly for it?
Doesn’t Jo’berg have the highest murder rate in the world? I thought I read that somewhere recently. And a National Geographic article a couple years ago on the average store owner having a body guard. That the aftermath of Apartheid is any better because the corruption didn’t go away – just the system?
May 21st, 2006 at 2:22 pmthere really IS a site “infedels.org�??
i thought iris was “jokingâ€â€¦
Comment by katy — May 21, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
Apparently he visits more than we infidels if he knows so much about it…
http://www.infidels.org
May 21st, 2006 at 2:24 pmIt is all abou the collection plate.
Comment by Spudge_Boy — May 21, 2006 @ 2:21 pm
And probably why it works so well for the Capitalistic Far Right…
May 21st, 2006 at 2:27 pmunbelievable
My parents were Atheists, but not what I would call strongly Atheist, it was something they felt I had to make my own mind up about. I went with Atheism after dabbling with various religions and figuring what they were saying was basically nonsense.
If you say you are an Atheist in public in South Africa you get the same service as any clergyman could expect, and mostly its only the real nutters who hold each others religions against each other. It isn’t that people don’t have religious views, its that they don’t seem to matter as much as they once did.
May 21st, 2006 at 2:41 pmJust a quick qualifier:
Just be careful of the Northern Province, there are several very good reasons why one of Gauteng’s towns virtually rebelled over being included in the Northern Province. The Northern Province isn’t particularly religous, its just, well, nuts.
May 21st, 2006 at 2:45 pmIt isn’t that people don’t have religious views, its that they don’t seem to matter as much as they once did.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 21, 2006 @ 2:41 pm
Glad to hear it’s happening somewhere. People here seem to be more vicious about their religious views. I wouldn’t dare put any kind of bumper sticker on my car for concern of some hate vandalism. I’m just subversive in my own way. :)
The more time that passes between my religious past and the present, the more I would have to agree that ‘nonsense’ is the appropriate word for most religions. I do like some of what Zen Buddhism, Hinduism and Taoism have to say. But as Zen tends to be Atheistic, I find it more reality based – and in some regards, just common sense.
I wonder how different the world would be without religion. Or if people would just find other ways to oppress others…
May 21st, 2006 at 2:55 pmWe all know that teenagers can’t vote (underage) or don’t vote (too busy finding themselves), so why not tax them? It doesn’t matter if it breaks a promise or not; it doesn’t matter if it’s hypocritical. We’re spending money a lot faster than we can print it. The political repercussions are minimal and hey – that’s all that matters for political realists (read Machiavellians), regardless of party affiliation.
May 21st, 2006 at 2:57 pmRegarding religion, Ken Wilber, founder of Integral Psychology, sees it as reflecting prepersonal stages of personal and cultural development that are based on faith. Secular humanism, the type of stuff that is the main subject of Infidels.org, reflects personal, or rational stages of personal and cultural development. Transpersonal stages are rarely achieved, in that they are arational (meaning neither rational nor irrational), take into account both faith and reason, and are transegoic, which means that you learn to let go of your precious self-definitions and world perspectives that separate you from others. Because this is hard work, scary, and not at all supported by society, few are willing or able to do it. However, it’s the direction human development is headed, and we need more voters who see the big picture and vote that picture.
May 21st, 2006 at 3:16 pmStop being unsettled, your father is watching over you.
-The Decider
May 21st, 2006 at 3:20 pmBecause this is hard work, scary, and not at all supported by society, few are willing or able to do it. However, it’s the direction human development is headed, and we need more voters who see the big picture and vote that picture.
Comment by RealityCheck — May 21, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
This is cool. And another piece of the puzzle. Last summer I read “Natural Atheism” by Dr. Eller, a Cultural Anthropologist and Atheist. Helped me understand teh struggle I had just gone through to free myself from religion, which paralleled an awareness of the world around me and other perspectives.
As a result, I feel different from most people who seem egocentric (not a judgment, but just an awareness). This begins to explain why. Thanks!
May 21st, 2006 at 3:35 pm#29, Unbelievable, I agree:
#44: RealityCheck
This describes my path.
May 21st, 2006 at 3:35 pmStop being unsettled, your father is watching over you.
-The Decider
My father died in 1994…
May 21st, 2006 at 3:37 pmyour father is watching over you.
I think the poster refered to:
Our Father, which art in Washington,
Commander-in-Chief be thy name,
Thy Kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
In Iraq, as it is in D.C.
Give us this day our daily spin,
And give us our debts,
That we may be your debtors.
And legalize not immigration,
But deliver us from the axis of evil.
For Thine is the Power,
May 21st, 2006 at 4:02 pmAnd the Kingdom,
And the Unitary Executive,
For Haliburton and Exxon forever, Amen.
#48 – unbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 4:10 pmAnd mine died in 1986 while changing a light bulb from the top step of a 16 foot step ladder over a marble floor. He wasn’t as dumb as yours, but that didn’t save him. He got his PhD in microwave engineering at 24. He was on the MIT team that developed radar for the US after receiving a magnetron from Great Britain.
He wasn’t as dumb as yours,
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 4:10 pm
Excuse me?
May 21st, 2006 at 4:21 pmThose who think that FAFSA provides any real benefit should consider that it is primarily a loan program. Direct grants are very rare. In order to really profit from it, one has to abandon their obligation for repayment. 529 plans let parents and grandparents put tax free money into accounts where the interest is not taxed, even when it is withdrawn. What it boils down to is that funds cans be set aside that have a fourfold impact when college is over(When interest and taxes are considered in tomorrow’s dollars). I would rather my child or grandchild emerge debt free than be burdened by it.
May 21st, 2006 at 4:36 pm#51 – unbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 4:37 pmI’m only quoting you.
Maybe this is a back door type of draft which Bush needs to fight his war and do his Nation building. I hear kids join the military to get money for school – economic racism.
Robert Rubin in his book, “In An Uncertain World“, commends the Bush administration on the creating the “Millenium Challenge Corporation”, but I’ve read it has been under the knife several times and Bush has committed a lot less than he promised.
May 21st, 2006 at 5:00 pmIn my youth I was never tethered by religion. My parents were not religious at all, and did not push me towards any church.
Because most of the other kids were going to church I too decided to go. I went to a Methodist church one Sunday, never went back.
I went to a Babtist church one Sunday. Too much fire and brimstone for me, besides I was screwing the preachers daughter.
I went to a Catholic Church one Sunday because I had an aunt who married a Catholic and all her 5 kids were being raised in that religion. I did not even make it through the service.
My best friend in Junior High, well his fasther was the Salvation Army Major in the small town where I lived. I stasrted going to services with him and that outfit made more sense than all the rest of them combined. But – the novelty soon wore off.
I went to a nativity Catholic service down here in Mexico, but left before it was over. Could not stand it, nor understand it.
Am I an Atheist. I guess so.
May 21st, 2006 at 5:12 pmI’m only quoting you.
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 4:37 pm
Oh no you’re not. Not only did I not say that, but I never implied it. And even if I did – you can’t repeat it. It’s rude.
Really, if your intent is to be insulting, I’d rather you just don’t address me at all.
May 21st, 2006 at 5:12 pmunbelievable – maybe walt is referring to your comments about your dad’s smoking and cancer (?) – i’m going from MY memory now… i must say – my dad was stupid that way… he died in june 01 from emphysema, smoking even while hooked up to the oxygen machine, till the day he “missed” his appointment with his doctor for a breathing treatment which landed him in the ER later that day and he never left the hospital till it was time for the funeral home a week later… it still pisses me off what he did to himself and us… a good thing came of it: that was MY final straw, quit smoking for good after many attempts… sure hope it was “in time”…
May 21st, 2006 at 5:53 pmUnbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 6:05 pmPlease consult the following thread:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/15/thinkfast-may-15-2006/
You have a mind like a steel sieve. You should consult a neurologist about Alzheimers. It usually sets in at about 55.
katy,
May 21st, 2006 at 6:12 pmIf you stop before 50, the risk is reduced by 60%. After that the percentage declines rapidly. Ipray you stopped in time.
Walt,
I never called my father ‘dumb’. I said:
So, if intellect were purley genetic, I would have gotten one or the other. I’m also much smarter than my father was. By your premise, this is NOT possible. And I see this with many students whose parents came form impoverish beginnings, but want more for their child – so the child is smarter than both parents.
Mozart couldn’t be Mozart then if it is genetic…
Comment by unbelievable — May 16, 2006 @ 12:17 pm
You clearly need that alzheimers test. I’m still in my thirties. You’ve admitted to being much older than that. And it shows. “Smarter than” is not equilvalent to ‘dumb’. He was smart. I am smarter. And considering how much you brag about your intelligence, you are failing to demonstrate it.
You also need to read some books on etiquette. Jerk.
May 21st, 2006 at 6:52 pm#60 – unbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 8:03 pmYou might also note that I do not utilize primeval language.
walt – i was 48… time will tell…
have also cleaned up my diet and work harder at physical fitness – but that is just no fun for me, the exercise that is… unless i’m in my garden…
unbelievable – you really need to work on your manners… and thicken that skin…
just because a poster is not a 22 yr old silly flirt doesn’t mean you have to be rude…
also, i heard paul harvey once say that there was a study indicating that children inherit their intelligence from the mother… it’s brought me comfort and joy since… so thank your mom that you are so intelligent…
and for someone who doesn’t like to be lectured to, as it so often happens, you sure can dish it out… lighten up, girl…
May 21st, 2006 at 8:09 pmMaybe this is a back door type of draft which Bush needs to fight his war and do his Nation building.
Jack, I think you’ve got it. I hadn’t thought of it that way before.
May 21st, 2006 at 8:34 pmYou might also note that I do not utilize primeval language.
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 8:03 pm
Meaning you can’t admit you were wrong?
May 21st, 2006 at 8:35 pmunbelievable – you really need to work on your manners… and thicken that skin…
just because a poster is not a 22 yr old silly flirt doesn’t mean you have to be rude…
Take you own advice katy. I’ve already told you to stop talking to me like you are my mother. But you can’t help yourself can you? Lemme try it again.
Walt was being a jerk to me last week in another forum where you were not. Had you been you might feel like an ass right now for once again defending a man and trying to scold me when it is none of your business.
I don’t tolerate bullies. You can it you want to – but I am not you. Nor do I want to be, Mother hen. Now stop talking to me.
and for someone who doesn’t like to be lectured to, as it so often happens, you sure can dish it out… lighten up, girl…
Comment by katy — May 21, 2006 @ 8:09 pm
Shut the hell up katy. You’re NOT my mother – for the fifth time now.
May 21st, 2006 at 8:42 pmkaty,
May 21st, 2006 at 8:48 pmIf you have been diagnosed, bless you. It hit my father-in-law and it was pure torture for Grams. We managed to host her in Europe for a two week respite. There are meds on the way, but the approval process is torturous in the US. Move overseas and you can get them today.
katy,
May 21st, 2006 at 8:58 pmOops, it skipped my mind that smoking was the the issue. At 48, you have an excellent chance. If you have an adicted husband, make him smoke on the deck and sleep in the guest bedroom.
unbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 9:04 pmHow many patents do you hold? I have 63. Pops had over 200. Gramp only had 16.
ah ha ha … you crack me up, unbelievable… silly girl…
walt – no husband for many years… a real load off there!
May 21st, 2006 at 9:06 pmquitting smoking was the hardest thing i’ve ever done – but no regrets, no cravings…
Katy,
May 21st, 2006 at 9:15 pmI quit smoking as soon as my daughter-in-law tested positive for pregnancy. Changes ones perspective when you realize that you might not witness a graduation or a wedding.
Walt,
So what? That doesn’t make you better than anyone else.
I really don’t care if you’re smarter than me or not. You don’t have a right to be a jerk to me when I choose to disagree with you on an issue. I don’t have to defer to you when you’re wrong just because you have patents or a higher I.Q. No one knows everything about everything. Everyone has his or her own priorities of what is and what isn’t important. Having patents has never been one of mine. So I don’t value that. I value other things that you probably don’t care about. Doesn’t give you the right to insult me Walt.
I’d rather you just skip my posts and pretend I am not here. I don’t like the way you talk down to me. My mother raised me not to tolerate that from anyone no matter how high and mighty they might think they are.
May 21st, 2006 at 9:16 pmah ha ha … you crack me up, unbelievable… silly girl…
Comment by katy — May 21, 2006 @ 9:06 pm
You are very sad. I’m a grown woman, granny. You’re the one who is rude for sugesting otherwise. I suggest you accept other people for who they are, as the only thing you can change is youself… and stay out of other people’s business. Crabby old bat.
May 21st, 2006 at 9:19 pmpot – kettle, just a bit younger…
May 21st, 2006 at 9:23 pmsee what you have to look forward to! yay!
unbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 9:27 pmDid you ever hear of the term “civil tougue”?
pot – kettle, just a bit younger…
see what you have to look forward to! yay!
Comment by katy — May 21, 2006 @ 9:23 pm
Nope. I’m not like you at all. I can see when a man is wrong just as equally as when a woman is. I don’t automatically scold the woman when she is merely defending herself. Call it a very fotunate generation gap, and a mother who thought that woman shouldn’t value themselves in terms of husbands or babies – but their own agendas.
May 21st, 2006 at 9:29 pmunbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 9:30 pmCorrection:
Did you ever hear of the term “civil tongue�
Did you ever hear of the term “civil tougue�
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 9:27 pm
Walt did you ever hear of the term “drop it already”?
May 21st, 2006 at 9:30 pmCivil like this Walt?
When’s W going to get his blow job on the White House lawn?
Comment by WaltTheMan — January 17, 2006 @ 9:34 am
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/01/17/gonzales-smears-gore/
There’s worse you’ve said – if you want me to post that as well.
May 21st, 2006 at 9:35 pmwhen IS w gonna get a blowjob, anywhere?!?
there is a BIG difference between us, un… you just have to argue, have the last word… maturity will help that soon enough…
“defend herself” ??? it’s a damn blog, girl… get real…
and get over yourself!
my last word on this…
May 21st, 2006 at 9:52 pm#78 – unbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 9:56 pmGood question. When do you intend to deliver?
you just have to argue, have the last word… maturity will help that soon enough…
You’re the one who has to have the last word. So take your own advice.
I’ll never back down from bullies. So what’s your excuse? It’s very immature to but your nose into other people’s business grandma.
it’s a damn blog, girl… get real…
and get over yourself!
Like you’re one to talk! Spare me Mother Hen from your rhetoric.
my last word on this…
Comment by katy — May 21, 2006 @ 9:52 pm
How I wish that were true katy, But you can’t keep your holier-than-thou mouth shut.
Notice how I don’t address you first? It’s always you starting it. Very mature of you, indeed.
May 21st, 2006 at 9:59 pmGood question. When do you intend to deliver?
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 9:56 pm
When necessary.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:00 pmunbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 10:09 pmYou’re unstable. aaaTake Meclizine, lots of it. I would suggest 16 25 mg tabs per day.
Walt,
That’s all you got? Republican style insults – ‘go take drugs’? Gonna call me ‘retarded’ next? LMAO. You’re a pretty bad bully. Can’t even intimidate a young woman.
Besides, Pops, I’m healthier than most people half my age. You, on the other hand, well – clearly we’ve demonstrated that your memory is shot old man… along with the plumbing I’d imagine. Would certainly explain the crabbiness lately…
May 21st, 2006 at 10:15 pmCorrection:
May 21st, 2006 at 10:15 pmunbelievable,
You’re unstable. Take Meclizine, lots of it. I would suggest 16 25 mg tabs per day.
Lots of corrections Walt… Means you do make mistakes… Oooh!
May 21st, 2006 at 10:21 pmOK, I admit that my oldest memory is of the train ride from Palo Alto to Baltimore when I was a ripe old age of 14 months. Actually, I have images of pops arriving home on his bike from Stanford. I learned the color code for electrical components at 5 – bad boys…but violet gives willingly, and used that to build a TV set in 1946. Pops laid it out and designed the circuits. Only had to change three resistors and ond capacitor to get the thing working.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:41 pmUnbelievable, Katy, Walt….whoa….it’s looking like a three-way boxing match here all of a sudden.
Looking back, Walt, I think you hit a raw nerve when you said, “And mine died in 1986 while changing a light bulb from the top step of a 16 foot step ladder over a marble floor. He wasn’t as dumb as yours, but that didn’t save him.”
That particular remark wasn’t called for. My mother was addicted to smoking. Her lung capacity is shot and she has to have oxygen through a tube to her nose all day long. I would take offense at anyone calling her dumb. She was addicted. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.
Katy, it sounds like there’s a history between Unbelievable and Walt that we’re not privy to, which makes it difficult to judge whom needs to work on manners. I get the feeling I’ve stepped into the middle of a family argument. Stepping in rarely gets one or the other to calm down and usually just ends up adding fuel to the fire. (been there, done that)
Unbelievable, you feel wronged, and not without good reason. One of the hardest things for me is to refrain from responding out of anger.
Sooo…all that being said, does this mean I am stepping in and taking sides? If so, I hope that both you, Katy, and you, Unbelievable, realize I am your friend, and care about both of you. Remember, all three of us share common political views.
Peace be with you both.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:55 pmunbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 10:56 pmWhen your IQ is less than your shoe size, you teng to become defensive.
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 10:41 pm
Stick with that Walt. Seems to makes you feel all important.
Just skip my posts. And I’ll skip yours.
May 21st, 2006 at 10:58 pmBriseadh na Faire
May 21st, 2006 at 11:01 pmI stand corrected
Unbelievable,
When your IQ is less than your shoe size, you tend to become defensive.
Best to stop fighting between those who oppose the Bush Regime in here > attack Mighty Moron or I-R-I or Seixon, but not each other! I side with Faire on having a cease fire!
May 21st, 2006 at 11:02 pmWhen your IQ is less than your shoe size, you teng to become defensive.
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 10:56 pm
Keep up with the third grade insults pappy. Doesn’t make you look very honest about all the patents you have when this is the best you can come up with. Not that anyone cares about silly little patents. Especially when you’re the one who is defensive that I corrected an error you made in a statement you posted so that you’ve been trying to insult me in every forum since.
Get over it.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:04 pmunbelivievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 11:07 pmCite an error.
Until you guys get grandopa to get over the fact that I corrected him in another pos, you’re wasting your breath. He’s been a complete jerk to me over the last week – even though I walked away from him twice and let him have the last word. Turning the other cheek doesn’t work on egocentric asses, obviously – so I’m not backing down until he agrees to skip my posts and pretend I don’t exist.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:08 pmunbelievable,
May 21st, 2006 at 11:10 pmCite a correction
Cite an error.
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 11:07 pm
I’m only quoting you.
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 4:37 pm
You were not quoting me. I never said my father was dumb. Therefore, you were wrong. you arrogant jerk who thinks he is incapable of being wrong.
What an enormous ego you have!
May 21st, 2006 at 11:11 pmi’m not fighting with anyone, Briseadh na Faire…
May 21st, 2006 at 11:13 pmjust pointing out the obvious… after an attempt to help out…
ah well… it’s late and the dog wants to walk…
g’nite…
What does it take to get that one to mind her own business? Helping out was not what happened. She blamed me for everything while coddling Walt after he insulted my dead father. If that’s help katy, I don”t want it. Clear yet?
May 21st, 2006 at 11:16 pm#92. ??? You stand corrected, then hurl another insult? Walt, I read your posts, and would gladly debate you on the issues, but really…. the personal attacks are uncalled for.
#93, Jay, Thanks.
Unbelievable – I have learned to ignore I-RIGHT-I. I only reply to Mighty Aphrodite because I enjoy pointing out the inconsistency between her statements and her claim to be a lawyer. Walt is sounding like a school-yard bully right now. I should know, I teach in a middle school. Even after breaking up a fight, a school-yard bully hurls insults. You might want to put Walt in the same category as I-RIGHT-I, Mighty Aphrodite and Seixon.
Walt, if you are as intelligent as you present yourself to be, then let your intelligence rule over your emotions. Debate the issues and leave the personal stuff out of it.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:26 pmunbelievable.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:29 pmPlease consult the following thread:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/05/15/thinkfast-may-15-2006/
It seems to state that your parents are intellectually inferior you. Since you have demonstrated the intellect of an amoeba, that makes them and you idiots.
Actually, I get along with I-RIGHT-I. He has manners compared to Walt.
I’m perfectly fine ignoring Walt. I’ve mostly been doing so since an uncalled for remark last week. But today, he crossed the line and started being a bully again today. And I was raised to stand up to bullies.
It’s not at all emotional. I’m not an emotional person. It’s about respect. I’ve politely asked him what’s going on twice and both times he ignored me. He’d rather fight. But I’m not going to be bullied. Not by him or anyone else. Period. Get that Walt?
May 21st, 2006 at 11:36 pmIt seems to state that your parents are intellectually inferior you. Since you have demonstrated the intellect of an amoeba, that makes them and you idiots.
Comment by WaltTheMan — May 21, 2006 @ 11:29 pm
Coming from a senile old man with a dysfunctional memory and wothless winkie, that’s hardly an insult. Besides, I’ve been tested. I’m highly intelligent. As I’ve told you before – your isolated opinion is worthless.
Even if I weren’t smart, you still have the manners of a dung beetle by calling my father dumb. I wasn’t talking to you today and you in an unrelated and unnecessary manner insulted him. That not only makes you a bully with poor manners, it makes you the idiot.
And it still makes you wrong. Just like you were wrong about Tundra being fat and wrong about genetics being 50-50. YOu can try to attack the messenger – but it still makes you wrong pops.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:42 pmOK, this senile old man passed his last IQ test at 183. He also solved this Sunday’s NY Times crossword puzzle in 37 minutes. Saturdays took 23 minutes. I generally do Mondays in ten to twelve minutes. The primary problem is filling ing thr answers at an expidited pace. this Sunday, the theme word is “Quoth”.
May 21st, 2006 at 11:58 pmSo what Walt? I don’t care. I know that there are people smarter than me. Doesn’t make them better. Doesn’t make you better. Big freaking deal. There are people even smarter than you.
And when you go out of your way to try to insult me, it doesn’t matter how smart you are – a jerk is a jerk is a jerk. If that’s what you’d rather be – your call. But most smart people know that it’s assinine and puerile behavior.
Just skip my posts Walt. It’s that simple. Trying to bully me isn’t going to do anything but make you look like an idiot. Counterintuitive to what you think you’re achieving by being a bully.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:05 amunbelievable,
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:24 amSo are you able to admit that either your mother or father are endowed with more intelligence than you? Or are you the epitome of intelligence in your lineage?
Walt,
I’m not interested in having a conversation with you.
I just want you to agree to skip my posts and not address me in the future. I’ll do likewise. It’s too late for anything else.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:29 amunbelievable,
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:37 amOK, I’ll lay off. Peace, until the next fracus.
Ms.Unbelievable, are you okay? Golly, I feel that Walt’s “dumb” comment was very inappropriate, and completely uncalled for. The loss of a parent is devastating, no matter the circumstances. There is no excuse for the thoughtless remark made by Walt. He should have apologized, and left it there. His refusal to do so would seem to indicate that he knew he’d erred, but was too embarrassed to back down. A high I.Q. is clearly not indicative of a grasp of common courtesy, or good manners. And while it is tempting at times to make a snarky comment, sometimes it’s just wiser not to. I myself was toying with a ‘How many PH.D’s does it take to change a lightbulb’ sort of joke, but resisted it, because it would be wrong.
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:31 amCyra, I agree. But, this one may well be appropriate here:
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:44 am
# 108 WaltTheMan:You the man.
I can attest to everything you’ve posted.
Like Cosmo Kramer say’s;’Ca ca ca cat fight.’
Cool the engines,girls.
I’m lovin’it Walt,thanks.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:20 am‘I’m also much smarter than my father was’
Comment by unbelievable–May 16,2006 @ 12:54 pm
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:58 amCorrection:
@ 12:54 pm-should read-@ 12:17 pm.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:10 amCyra,
Thanks for your kind words.
Some people, you know? The thing that annoys me is the bullying aspect. I couldn’t care less what he thinks of me. It’s the disrespect that is unacceptable. Regardless of political affliation :).
I worked with a guy in San Francisco who was supposed to be my mentor. He had nothing in his life that he considered of value except that he’d graduated from Yale. And he was constantly throwing it around like it made him better than other people. It was so obnoxious that people went out of their way to avoid him. And so he then went out of his way to make it difficult for them to avoid him. Sort of wound up reinforcing his illogical belief that Yale made him superior. But in reality, he wasn’t.
I try to avoid people like that, but at some point, when they won’t let it go – gotta stand up to them. And some people freak out when its a woman being firm and assertive. Crazy.
May 22nd, 2006 at 9:39 am‘I’m also much smarter than my father was’
Comment by unbelievable–May 16,2006 @ 12:54 pm
Comment by Denny — May 22, 2006 @ 3:58 am
I’m flattered Denny that you’re so obsessed with me. But, really, I’m still not interested. Go find someone your own speed (stuck in reverse).
May 22nd, 2006 at 9:41 am# 115:
‘It’s the disrespect that is unacceptable’.
May 22nd, 2006 at 11:07 amThat comment,along with ‘insufferable’,has already been made–about you.Check May 16 again.
Everything you wrote in 114 you could,and should,apply to yourself.
Denny,
You’re a gnat. And you don’t know really know me.
I’ve been relatively popular my whole life. And there’s always been people like you who have a problem with that. Which is fine by me. I neither have the interest nor the inkling to include people like you in my life. You can skip my posts as well. I really won’t lose any sleep.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:34 pmunbelievable
Denny cannot be a gnat, he’s a mushroom.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:42 pmAnd he doesn’t have a very good shelf life either.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:44 pmBruce;you poetry stinks.
Unbelievable:Whatever popularity you think you had is long gone by now.
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:10 pmProbably why you’re so alone and insolent these days.
And you were mean to katy last night.
Ca ca ca catfight.
Denny,
Ah, so that is it! You’ve never been popular, so you don’t know a thing about it. You don’t like that people around here know me, compliment things i say sometimes and laugh at my jokes. No one gets your jokes (because they aren’t funny). I knew it was an envy thing. It was obvious from the minute you started using that new name. You should go back to E.Coli. It’s more fitting.
Funny what a hypocrite you are as well. Keep talking. The more you talk, the more you prove me and Bruce right about you, you fungus.
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:19 pmBasically, the thing to do is to not earn money and put it away towards paying for your degree. Wait until you are 24, which is when you get “independent” status, and not work, so your income will look really low, getting you all the aid you need. Unfortunately, most of it will be in loans. The only alternatives to this are going through your parents or not getting enough aid to cover what you didn’t earn, thus negating either your freedom of choice or the point of working… or both.
By the way, to all those bringing religion-bashing into a discussion about taxes and college savings, please, please, stop. I am sick of hearing religion brought into EVERYTHING. You are just as bad as the people who PUSH religion. Especially, do not say that every organized religion (with the exception of Buddhism) has fought wars in its name, because that is patently untrue. There is nothing inherently wrong with being part of an organized religion. What is wrong is when people use that religion as an excuse for irreligious things, like starting wars. Lastly, attacking other people’s religions, calling them stupid, etc. is exactly why a lot of folks are attacking atheists and other non-Christians, because just like the Christians, Jews, and Muslims, the loudest of us non-Abrahamic religion people are the jerk-offs. With you guys at the forefront, who wouldn’t want to say we are just a bunch of angry idiots with an agenda? Basically, I am not a Christian, but you guys do not represent me in the same way that terrorist bombers do not represent the majority of Muslims. Therefore, PLEASE STOP. Thank you.
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:20 pmDenny cannot be a gnat, he’s a mushroom.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 22, 2006 @ 12:42 pm
That image still comes to mind and I still laugh heartily whenever Denny shows up. Why it’s hard to take it seriously…
I pay no attention to critics. Those who can do, those who can’t – become critics :)
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:21 pm# 123:
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:02 pm‘I pay no attention to critics’ Yea,right.LOL.
I guess that’s why Walt,katy,me and others get such attention from you.
# 122 Sara has a message for ya,so go read and learn.
Then please get outside for some fresh air,Fatso.
Okay I’ll give you Scientology, but otherwise, do a bit of research on the subject. Think about what it means when people take about having “God on our side” when going to war.
Hell, the bulk of Christianity was founded in war, look up Constantine at some point.
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:36 pmThen please get outside for some fresh air,Fatso.
Comment by Denny — May 22, 2006 @ 3:02 pm
Unlike you, I’m at work. I’m not fat, but I’d rather be fat than obnoxious and stupid. Too bad for you that you are all three.
Only way you can get attention is by insulting people. LMAO. You’re just a plate of mushrooms. Really…
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:43 pmThink about what it means when people take about having “God on our side†when going to war.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 22, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
It is true that every religion except Buddhism has waged war in its name (Scientology is a sect of Christianity :) .
I didn’t read Sara’s message because I assume she is another religions crackpot with no facts, just blind faith and death threats. I’ve heard it before.
Oh yeah, the “God” is on everyone’s side premise. A bunch of irrational nonsense to get people to die for some assinine reason.
I love being an Atheist. :)
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:48 pmunbelievable
I love having the freedom to be a loud, outspoken and somewhat obnoxious Atheist. The ability to actually argue about religion, the freedom to not believe, and not have to keep quiet about it, like it is some sort of dirty secret. The freedom to be proven wrong, and not have it threaten the foundations of my being.
I hear America once had that freedom, maybe one day it will return?
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:06 pmThe freedom to be proven wrong, and not have it threaten the foundations of my being.
What’s funny though, is how rarely you are :) People with a grasp on reality are usually right. I mean, it is common sense most of the time. Which, odd ly enough isn’t very common.
I hear America once had that freedom, maybe one day it will return?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 22, 2006 @ 4:06 pm
If we can get people to give up their fear – perhaps. But I’m not terribly hopeful.
Now that is where I’d like to be proven wrong :)
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:13 pmunbelievable
I have been proven wrong before, and I will be in the future but the nice thing about being an Atheist is when you don’t have a set path to follow, there is always room for change.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:32 pm# 130 Bruce G.
How about changing into something productive.
# 126 insufferable
You just can’t quit me,huh,Cowgirl.
As for your and B.G.s beloved atheism;you should try another name.You still have the Almighty’s name in your title:..a—–THE..Get it?
He loves morons too.
I’ll be back later tonight to get your juicy retort.
May 22nd, 2006 at 6:22 pmSo Denny’s a Jesus Freak… Never would have known, its so full of bile and vitriole. Wait, that’s more typical. Especially on Sundays when the Xians are in full nasty mode. Such hypocrisy… No doubt Hay-seuss is spinning in his grave that Denny is on the wrong path of envy and idolatry. And quoting gay movies!! I think you have to go on a date with Lucifer himself for that one… Uh-oh!
You know, all 16 versions of the Bible say that he little plate of fungus shouldn’t talk to us – so, well, guess this just has to be good bye. Emphasis on the ‘good’ part of the seperation, of course :).
Man Bruce, I didn’t know there would be so many benefits to atheism – like religious nuts HAVING to stop talking to you or risk eternal damnation. Cool. :)
May 22nd, 2006 at 7:13 pmDearest Sweet believe:
”Bile and vitriole?” Please reread # 132 to get that.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:11 amNice rant,but you’re starting to sound alot like S.G..
I spoke of love.Do your research,Castanza.
Denny,
Not interested. Later.
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:59 amWilly ?
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:01 amWilly Loman is that you?
.
What about Biff Loman ?
May 25th, 2006 at 2:49 am.