Murtha on Iraq: ‘There’s Not Only No Progress, It’s Worse Than It Was Prewar’
Murtha on Iraq: ‘There’s Not Only No Progress, It’s Worse Than It Was Prewar’
This morning, Jack Murtha appeared on CBS’ The Early Show to talk about the Iraq war. Murtha offered a sobering assessment:
[T]here’s not only no progress, it’s worse than it was prewar. this thing has been mishandled so badly. The American people needed to hear. we’re spending $450 billion on this war by the end of the year, $9 billion a month, and so we need to change course.
The facts appear to back Murtha up. Here’s a summary of key indicators, drawn from the Brookings Institute’s Iraq Index, using the most recent data available:
| Pre-War Levels | Now | |
| Crude oil production | 2.5 million barrels | 2.14 million barrels [Apr. 2006] |
| Electricity | 3,958 Megawatts | 3,600 Megawatts [Apr. 2006] |
| People with access to potable water | 12.9 million | 8.25 million [Nov. 2005] |
| People with access to sewer system | 6 million | 5 million [Nov. 2005] |
Full transcript:
CHEN: Congressman Murtha, your act of courage would be last fall when you spoke out against the war, after voting for it. Was that a difficult decision for you?
MURTHA: Well, they were irresponsive. And the thing that worried me, the troops – they went in with inadequate forces and inadequate equipment. Then in addition to that the army down the road was broken as far as I could see. And yet all the things they said were illusion. They said how much better it was getting and every progress report I saw was mischaracterized, misrepresented. So I felt an obligation to speak out in order to try to turn this thing around. The military won a victory. It was time to get out. As a matter of fact, these guys have done a marvelous job. The troops, you couldn’t ask for any more. But they’re caught in the middle of a civil war. I got a lot of criticism. I got lot a lot of people initially — as matter of fact — the war — over 50% of the people supported when I spoke out. And of course now it’s changed considerably. Because i think they wanted to hear exactly what has happened. Exactly whether there’s progress. And I said there’s not only no progress, it’s worse than it was prewar. This thing has been mishandled so badly. The American people needed to hear. We’re spending $450 billion on this war by the end of the year, $9 billion a month, and so we need to change course.
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May 22nd, 2006 at 11:49 amHow about people dead and wounded after 3+ years.
Now Bush is on tube taking a victory lap because of the new puppet P.M. in Iraq.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:00 pmThese clowns can’t even leave the Green Zone.
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You know those numbers are misleading, most of the difference in people with accessto Potable water and electricity is due to death, not incompetance. Those people don’t exist anymore. SO, to spin the stats, there really is progress in Iraq. (shudders & looks over shoulder for lightning strike from above)
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:03 pmMark, you should send that one to GWB, maybe he’ll use it. Ugh.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 pmWar, huh. what is it good for…
50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 pmWhat a bleeding heart, unpatriotic, hate America, terrorist loving, liberal coward… why should America believe such a pacifist hippie?
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 pmWhee! We’ve turned another corner!
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:18 pmFeingold/Murtha 2008 as independents.
Thoughts?
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:18 pmMark (#3) – are you suggesting that since there are more dead people in Iraq that fewer require basic services? I’m missing something – unless that’s more GOPspeak. Or, are you suggesting that the “progress in Iraq” is that there’s more dead people? In any case, if there were TRUE success and progress in Iraq, don’t you think Fox News would be all over it rather than digging up old stores (missing blondes, etc) to fill their time.
Why can’t you all (Bush appologists) just admit that the Iraq war is a mess.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmi think mark was being, as they say, sarcastic.
keeping up the good work, GW.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:22 pm#6 Murtha was a military man. Have you been in the service? Who are you to call anyone a hippie? This man is a patriotic American. We cann’t say that for you. You are a Right Wing insulting nut.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:23 pm#11 – this is either SuperChrists attempt at sarcasm or someone stole his name. He is neither right wing nor a nut (well he’s not right wing anyway!!)
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:27 pmattempt at sarcasm… Awwwww come on Jules – I thought I hit the sarcasm nail right on the head:)
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:32 pmIllusion is used by people who can’t get the things done right in the real world. Let’s compare Bush and David Blaine. Both can use illusion to hypnotize their audiences with a skill that not only comes naturally to them but has been learned over the years. But when it comes to real things they both don’t cut it. David Blaine – masterful illusionist that does tricks beter than anyone else on the planet. But when he tried to hold his breath for 9 minutes under water the real world slapped him silly and he was only able to do 7 minutes. Bush – creative liar and hider of facts that can spin the facts better than any administration I have seen. But when facts start cooming in from the real world he can’t keep his head above the water line of truth. They both get paid to do what they do but I have only respect for one of them and he can probably guess what card I am thinking of at the moment.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:33 pm#6 – That’s GWSC being sarcastic, ya’ll. I can see that through my migraine.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:33 pmYou’re right Jules, he’s a nut. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Considering what the idiot in chief thinks is a good economy here , and his track record when HE was in the private sector, what is happening in Iraq is just his usual failures magnified by billions, he didn’t have the resourses of the US to base his failures on before…
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:38 pmSeems that Murtha knows what he’s talking about.
Too bad the only thing Emperor Bush can do is spin a web of lies in an attempt to cover his own a**.
Can Congress start the investigations of the Boy Who Would Be King? Now? Please.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:41 pmI am continuously AMAZED how supposedly “PATRIOTIC” Americans (like the Bushite conservatives)…
…disregard the counsel and declarations…
…of America’s proven war heroes and veterans like Mr. Murtha (or a Max Cleland)…
…in deference to cowards, deserters, shirkers, and deferment kings Bushiva and L’il Dick and Co…
I’d NEVER send a child of mine into today’s military, NEVER!
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:42 pmThe figures tell the story. They really were better off under Saddam, at least from a quality of life standpoint. And as far as freedom is concerned, maybe they will soon have a government that prosicutes journalists and spys on it’s citizens like we do. Smell that freedom in the air? Smells a little like the stench of the Constitution being burned.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:44 pm#17 – isn’t that “Failure in Chief”? :) Hell, he couldn’t even “win” against his “ceders” on his ranch. I could never figure out why someone is so obsessed with “cutting brush on the ranch”. As someone in another thread suggested – we need to coordinate a “pretzeling” event where everyone sends Herr Bush a bag of pretzels. :)
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:45 pm# 10;Dee
Is Dee a ‘new name’?
If so,why?
Ca ca ca catfight?
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:46 pm#3…humor is welcomed. But then again, after initial smile wears off, you can imagine the number of the dead and real shudder comes.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:50 pm…i love this!….thank you!…
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Report_Bush_Blair_to_announce_phased_0522.html
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:55 pmThe comment that this new government can’t even leave the green zone is right on target! Even if they do get a new defense minister, do you recall some time ago when the training for a new set of Iraqi trainees was completed and instead of going on out to a post, they nearly rioted when told the posts would be out of their home town! In addition, when an Iraqi recruit feels he has had enough and wants to quit, he just gets his hat an leaves. How in the hell is an army of that caliber going to ever pacify the country side? I am do not mean to demean the Iraqis….they do deserve better. But, facts are reality despite all the hip that things are getting better. Only those looking through rose colored glasses believe that.
Day, retired Vietnam Vet
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:57 pmWrong, Murtha-
According to Greg Palast, the BBC reporter who broke the Felon-Purge story, the fact that things are worse than before the war started IS EXACTLY THE PLAN- read the link below for an interview. I used to think Bush was a sock puppet, but there is not even an entire hand up in there- he is a finger puppet. Read on!
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/05/15/1334249
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:57 pmCome on now, we’ve got to keep fighting this war over there i Iraq.
Whatsa matta? Everybody turning chicken?
Do your patriotic duty and support the Bush Cabal so they can make more billions at the expense of your children. America can take it.
Don’t be so cruel to the neocons and the Bush buddies. They like money.
Keep fighting the war. Keep supporting George and the Cabal.
Forget about those transfer tubes coming back home. Don’t mean nothin’.
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:58 pmWe can thank Jack Murtha in part for Bush’s 29% approval rating. We had better wake up soon as a country or we’ll be both broke and broken. War is the most expensive option there is in both money and lives and I for one new Bush was lying as he spoke the words in March 2003. What bothers me is that so many of my contrymen couldn’t see through it or imagine this outcome without playing it out. Why have we become so easy to fool?
May 22nd, 2006 at 12:59 pmNearly 30 posts and nary a neocon in here defending this war. Interesting…
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:10 pm#28:
They’ll show. Probably with a ‘fighting them there, so we don’t fight them here’ or ‘America is the world’s big brother’ argument.
Just wait….
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:17 pmThis war is un-legally documented.
Bush is in Chicago today spouting how the new Iraq government is a another step toward bringing freedom to the Middle East.
Now, since it was Bush’s plan to make Iraq the terrorist fly paper of the world, how are we supposed to stop that. How do we make all of the terorrists stop going to Iraq.
Also, shouldn’t the Iraqis hate Bush’s guts for turning their country into a terrorist magnet?
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:21 pmIt must time for “MEAN JEAN” to haul her menepausel carcass out of the shadows and go on the gasbag circuit.
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:26 pm[...] Nonpartisan thinktank The Brookings Institute released their “Iraq Index” (which is interesting reading if you have a bunch of free time), and Think Progress summed it up: [...]
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:28 pmJust wait….
Comment by bobcat_grad — May 22, 2006 @ 1:17 pm
You mean until after their two-hour power lunch and 30 minute nap? :)
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:31 pm#27
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:41 pmThe reason are so easily fooled is we have gone 30 so odd years without a prolonged military conflict. this whole thing has been orchrastrated by a public relations firm in D.C. that is paid by the R.N.C.. This is the same firm that published the lie that the Iraqui’s were throwing babies out of their incubators in Kuwait back in the first gulf war.
The public is being manipulated by a monster propaganda machine and if you do not speak up with the truth it will work again.
We can remain silent and watch the invasion of Iran or we can speak out and try to stop it.
#19 “They really were better off under Saddam, at least from a quality of life standpoint.”
Iraq was a wonderful place under Saddam, with all that rape, amputation, detentions, kidnapping, mass murder, genocide. The list of wonderful things happening under Saddam goes on and on, doesn’t it?
“From 1980-1991, the Iraqi regime provoked two wars ruinous to the
nation. The first, against Iran, lasted from September 1980 to
August 1988. An investigation by the United Nations judged that Iraq
was the aggressor. There are no exact figures for casualties, but
they are believed to number one million on both sides, including
dead and wounded. The Iraqi treasury, which held $35 billion in
reserves at the start of the war, was depleted. Iraq emerged from
the war with a crippling external debt of $46 billion, with a
further $40 billion contributed by Arab states. Iraqis lived the
last years of the war in a state of siege, with dwindling resources
and sealed off from the world. Cities in the south like Basra were
ruined, and Iraq’s infrastructure lay in tatters. Meanwhile, all of
Iraq’s revenue, including heavy borrowing and outright assistance,
were steered to the military industry. Its human resources were
diverted to the war, while other Arabs and foreign nationals had to
be imported to carry on the country’s business.
“Iraqis, who had not yet recovered from the
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:45 pmconsequences of the war with Iran, witnessed the destruction of
their country and more needless deaths. The sanctions regime imposed
as a result of the Iraqi leadership’s policies, has killed children,
reduced Iraqis to the status of paupers, and set back Iraq’s
development by decades. And because of the regime’s policies, has killed children, reduced Iraqis to the status of paupers, and set back Iraq’s
development by decades. And because of the regime’s policies, Iraq
now has an additional war compensation bill of $200 billion.
The history of internal repression is a story of repeated state
violence against the Iraqi people, mass murder, execution, torture,
extra-judicial detention, rape, forced displacement and deportation.
In pursuit of the hegemonic appetite of its leader, the regime
forced Iraqis into two wars that killed hundreds of thousand of
Iraqis, ruined Iraq’s economy, and robbed Iraqi children of their
future.”
I am soooo sick of this administration and its daily lies. For 3 years we’ve heard it’s a great day for Iraq stating from Saddam (this was the only good thing) from voting, to forming a new government. Every time that they move to form government, write constitution or whatever, Bush comes up and says this is going to be a huge blow to the insurgency, yet it’s getting worse and worse. LIES LIES LIES. What can we do so people will come out and call on his big lies. I cannot wait until the Democrats take back congress, then they might get the backbone to censure Bush and his bullies. We should never every elect or let courts select another Bush into the WH. Their so called dynasty has to end with this looser of a president.
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:47 pmIraq was a wonderful place under Saddam, with all that rape, amputation, detentions, kidnapping, mass murder, genocide…
Comment by Infinite Reach — May 22, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
… and things have gotten better how?
At least under Saddam it didn’t cost America 1000’s of lives and 100’s of billion of dollars for things to be this shitty.
May 22nd, 2006 at 1:56 pm#6 what a pathetic excuse for a human you are, you sound like and idiot with a 2nd grade IQ,
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:03 pmGW superchrist??????????????????, why dont you take your sorry a** over there and fight the war, you don’t say your “to old to fat ” Bullsh** you are a coward thats what your are, and you call a decorated soldier a hippie, someone who fought for this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!, if your christ is out there, he would not brek bread with a loser coward such as yourself!!
Arab deaths at Saddam hands (pre war): 1,000,000+
Arab deaths at Saddam hands (post war): 0
It’s all a matter if the cup is half full or half empty. While the former ruling class might long for the good ole days under Saddam, most are quite happy watching him and his clique sitting in the docks on trial. Why doesn’t Murtha go ask some IRAQIS if they would like to go back to the old ways of Iraq.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:03 pm#6 what a pathetic excuse for a human you are, you sound like and idiot with a 2nd grade IQ,
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:04 pmGW superchrist??????????????????, why dont you take your sorry a** over there and fight the war, you don’t say your “to old to fat ” Bullsh** you are a coward thats what your are, and you call a decorated soldier a hippie, someone who fought for this country!!!!!!!!!!!!!, if your christ is out there, he would not break bread with a loser coward such as yourself!!
Murtha may or may not be a hero, may or may not have medals, but, whatever courage or bravery he may have posessed is long gone. I am a former Marine and can tell you that everyone I talk with considers Murtha a treasonous little rat. We consider him to be an ex-marine. He doesn’t deserve to be in the same room whith brave men and women.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:06 pmGreg – calm down – he was being sarcastic. Giving the trolls their talking points cause Karl is busy today.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:07 pmOh great, I see we’ve acquired another raving lunatic Neocon parrot. Just what we can never have enough of… Don’t any of them have something new to say?
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:10 pmI am glad you said that he is an “ex-marine” Michael because I never have liked marines. Especially since one tried to rape my sister-in-law. Now I believe him to be a hero!!!
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:12 pmFor all of you neocons – so our “job” as americans is to fo to other countries and have our men and women die to save others from despots? When are we going to N Korea, or Darfur, or Uganda, or China for that matter?
And most importantly – when are you signing up?
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:18 pmWe consider him to be an ex-marine. He doesn’t deserve to be in the same room whith brave men and women.
Comment by Michael Pehrson — May 22, 2006 @ 2:06 pm
We can see the requsit basic training lobotmy for marines took in your case
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:19 pmOil production is down in Iraq, what a surprise. War predictibly restricts supply and increases oil prices globally. Bush is complicit in the gas price increases by helping US monopolistic oil companies to reduce supply by allowing these firms to intentionally reduce refining capcity, thus increasing the price. Bush is complicit with the Saudi oil cartel in allowing them to withhold of billions of barrels of oil from the global market, thus reducing supply and predictably increasing the price. Bush’s war of choice with Iraq has also predictably decreased supply, making Bush’s oil buddies even happier. Remember the secret energy meeting Cheney had with oil companies when Bush first took office? What the f*ck did people think they were working on together, the price of tea in China? The recent price increases have precious little to do with the free market and everything to do with collusion between our governement, US oil oligopolies and Saudi oil cartel.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:22 pmIraq was a wonderful place under Saddam, with all that rape, amputation, detentions, kidnapping, mass murder, genocide…
Comment by Infinite Reach — May 22, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
And to
Comment by Retired Republican Soldier — May 22, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
If liar Bush is so moral and so man of God and he cares about humanity and freedom, he would help by do something about Darfur. More then 100K people have died in just two years, but what have Bush and his bullies done about it, what have they done? Bush has done absolutely NOTHING to stop the genocide. Why? NO Oil. They don’t care about the Arabs, African or anyone, all they care is about filling up their pockets with blood money, that is it.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:22 pmYou should go and educate your selves. http://www.unicefusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=duLRI8O0H&b=50755
#8 – Although it is tempting to want to completely throw out the two party system and have candidates run completely on merits, the fact is that the best way to get this country back on the right course is for progressives to take back the Democratic party. Working outside the system is extraordinarily difficult nowadays. Also, think about it. What will happen if Feinstein/Murtha ran as independents, Ralph Nader ran as Green, and then (let’s say) Hillary Clinton ran as a Democrat? The Republicans would win something liek 40 to 25 to 15 to 10 because they all vote in lockstep and stay united. We can’t split the progressives up right now. We need to stand together, appreciate our differences (and debate them when we have control again), and beat the neocons into the ground!
However, if Feinstein or Murtha ran on the Democratic ticket, I’d be all over that… Al Gore for pres, Feinstein for VP, and Murtha as Secretary of Defense is my dream right now. :-)
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:22 pmThis man is an AHOLE he voted for the war and now he wants to save his soul
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:27 pmWhy doesn’t Murtha go ask some IRAQIS if they would like to go back to the old ways of Iraq.
Comment by Retired Republican Soldier — May 22, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
While Iraqis might be ecstatic to leave the old days behind, I am not sure they are happy about the current situation.
From MSNBC:
Lawmaker: Marines killed Iraqis ‘in cold blood’
Military officials say Marine Corp photos taken immediately after the incident show many of the victims were shot at close range, in the head and chest, execution-style. One photo shows a mother and young child bent over on the floor as if in prayer, shot dead, said the officials, who spoke to NBC News on condition of anonymity because the investigation hasn’t been completed.
One military official says it appears the civilians were deliberately killed by the Marines, who were outraged at the death of their fellow Marine.
“This one is ugly,” one official told NBC News.
The spam filter won’t allow me to post the link, so you will have to google it.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:31 pm“Congressman Murtha, your act of courage would be last fall when you spoke out against the war,…” – Chen (?)
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:32 pm******Dear Progs — This MUST be an example of the objective, “hard hitting” journalism leftist progs ADMIRE so much!!
EX-Marine Murtha is reminiscent of other progressive socialist peaceniks, George McGovern and Jimmy Carter. (They might be counted on to return the borrowed lawn mower, but they are too incompetent to handle foreign threats.)
Yes Jack – he wants to save his soul – and American lives, and American money…..
He has seen the mistake of this war and the lies told by this administration. This is what happens when moral, decent humans make a mistake and it is brought to their attention, they try to find better options.
Bush is the biggest ass ever!!!!
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:33 pm# 38 Greg – I believe the best form of sarcasm is that in which even your friends pause and ask themselves “is he serious”… you know Colbert style.
I would say that my post on #6 probably gets me pretty close… I realize that it is difficult to discern sarcasm in print but come on… not even Killer Karl would call Murtha a pacifist hippie.
P.S. I am also an atheist… the G.W.SuperChrist thing is a less then subtle dig at the recent merger between politics and religion… I think actual Christians find this moniker quite offensive.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:35 pmYep – 2:30 ish… time for the portly neocons to roll in and start squawking…
Start putting down the newspaper, it was probably an expensice four course meal on the platnum mastercard the boss picked up…
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:37 pmI think actual Christians find this moniker quite offensive.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — May 22, 2006 @ 2:35 pm
Which variety would that be? :)
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:39 pmWow, way to cherry-pick the data guys! Zzzzz……..
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:39 pm(They might be counted on to return the borrowed lawn mower, but they are too incompetent to handle foreign threats.)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 22, 2006 @ 2:32 pm
From what exactly the non existant mobile weapons trailers, or the Al Quaeda that were living in the Kurdish controlled areas that Bush declined to take out because he needed them foir propoganda purposes, or maybe it was the Hords of ready to launch planes to carry the nukes Saddam was working on…even though a thouro search of Iraq has completely missed the weapons so badly that George Bush even searched the white house to make sure A. Chalibi didn’t hide them there when he visited.
Maybe it is how well we got the mastermind of 9-11 Osama, and how well we defeated the Talibvan.. you know the ones that are slowly taking Afghaniostan back..so we had to RAISE our troop levels there back to the initial troop levels.
And as for borrowing how about all the money George has to borrow from the chinese, Japanese and OPEC every year because the social security receipts are not enough to cover his budget shortfalls../..
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:41 pmWow, way to cherry-pick the data guys! Zzzzz……..
Comment by Seixon — May 22, 2006 @ 2:39 pmNot like the cherry picked version served daily by the white house and GOP…you know the talking points you post
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:45 pm#35 by Infinite Reach
I don’t see your point; so Saddam was a brutal dictator, does it follow that Bush was justified in “inventing” reasons to take this nation to war to get rid of him? There is more than ample evidence to support that he did just that! And don’t give me this BS about we are fighting them over there so we don’t have to fight them here. That was the same drum beat from those in charge during Vietnam, where they sent ME for two tours. Those old enough to remember now know that this was a trumped up war, just like this one. Why didn’t we hear “we gotta take freedom to Iraq” during the run-up to the war? Those that are supporting this effort are the 30% of die-hard neocons that refuse to objectively look at the facts.
Day, retired Vietnam Vet
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:45 pmIt’s really amazing that the Brookings Institute can reduce the Horrors of War to a series of series of flow charts and pie graphs. DISGUSTING!
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:48 pmI think actual Christians find this moniker quite offensive.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — May 22, 2006 @ 2:35 pm
Which variety would that be? :)
Comment by unbelievable — May 22, 2006 @ 2:39 pm
The same variety that thinks that intelligent design is a good idea, that dinosaur bones were deposited during Noah’s flood, and the Davinchi Code is the work of the devil, … the literalists.
No offense intended to all my liberal Christian Brotheren out there!
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:48 pmJules – Why don’t you and your friends rally for an “Iraq Rewind”. US troops could pull the Saddam statue upright, rename all the public buildings Saddam Hussein…, release Saddam from jail, apologize for killing his spawn, AND withdraw our troops tomorrow – after they get done tearing the schools down they’ve built.
But on a lighter note – I DID like what a provincial governor said in Afghanistan after four targets were taken out containing Taliban/AlQaeda barbarians. (Initial reports estimate 70+ enemy killed and 17 civilians.) To paraphrase the governor from his native Afghani, “If you don’t want to end up dead, don’t house the SOBs.”
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:50 pmJules – Why don’t you and your friends rally for an “Iraq Rewindâ€. US troops could pull the Saddam statue upright, rename all the public buildings Saddam Hussein…, release Saddam from jail, apologize for killing his spawn, AND withdraw our troops tomorrow – after they get done tearing the schools down they’ve built.
I would love to. Then maybe all the Americans who have died, lost limbs and are wounded for Bushes lie would be here and whole. And maybe the billions spent in fighting this war could be spent helping Americans to live a better life.
The schools, the few that have been built, were there before we bombed them. We would not have had to rebuild them if we did not destroy them.
Just like a neo con to rationalize the killing of innocent civillians.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:57 pmJules – Why don’t you and your friends rally for an “Iraq Rewind”…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 22, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
That’s a good idea Hermaphrodite!!!
If one of use does develop a rewind machine – I think that we should also go back to before the time when your parents and teachers failed you… you can thank us then.
May 22nd, 2006 at 2:59 pmClif – Pssst – don’t tell – but the WMD’s are in …shhhh…. Syria. When the Secretary of Propaganda sends you the daily “Talking Tangents” – please ask them to send you an 8th grade English packet. (I make PLENTY of typos – but commas. periods and dashes might let others know when you change horses in the middle of a “thought” stream.)
‘Bye for now…
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:00 pmThe secretary of propaganda would be one Karl Rove – I certainly do not believe Clif is taking his talking poinst from Rove. You on the other hand…….
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:01 pmJules – Before I run, are you one of those giving Saddam credit for spending the “oil for Food” money on infrastructure, ( schools, roads, swewage plants.) ?? Ahhh, the naive are too precious….
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:03 pmwell, this sounds like conservative/repub/bush apologist/sound bite doublespeak to me.
There are supposedly 100,000 families that have become homeles in this war of LIBERATION and FREEDOM That is families, not indviduals. there are tent cities which are never shown of course.
and not to confuse the issue, but FREEDOM for the Iraqui people?
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:03 pmTell the women of the country who are now going o be marginalized in the one middle eastern country where there was some semblance of (relative) equality. Women were educated in Iraq, their education was on a par with the males in the society and they did hold positions throughout the country, practiced their careers as teachers, doctors, lawyers. Let’s see how this is going to play out now that there is going to be Sharia law implemented and the conservative interpretations of the law will start taking over.
Well, perhaps the christian far right would thing this is better anyway. interesting. I never even thought of it from that part of the agenda.
the Davinchi Code is the work of the devil, … the literalists.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — May 22, 2006 @ 2:48 pm
I haven’t read the book. Won’t read the book. I don’t like that type of fiction in general. Probably won’t see the movie. But it is pretty hard to miss the headlines about it. Seems to be making the Catholic church abortion-level upset. Over a fictional book? Seriously – they don’t have enough to do? Or are they that threatened? Seems liek a lot of fuss over ‘nohting’
I’m frequently surprised that people don’t see the benefits of atheism… :)
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:04 pm#60 I don’t see your point…
Maybe it would help if you take notice that I was responding to #19’s argument that Iraq was better off under Saddam. Perhaps you would also apologize for the way Saddam treated his people? And yes, the liberation of Iraq was one of the stated reasons for removing Saddam from power. Does your memory recall the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998?
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:06 pm# 62 To G.W.SuperChrist
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:07 pmI don’t know why people are getting all bent out of shape for the movie Davinchi Code. The Davinchi Code is a fictional sequel to another fictional movie Passion of the Christ. Like the book Davinchi Code, the bible is a fictional book.
Reagan International Airport is a stupid name. I will hope that the original name, Washington National Airport, will be re-instated.
The so-called Republicans here should shut down their computers and pack their bags for Iraq if they think it is going so great over there.
A former Marine is always a former Marine, no matter what some dumbass thinks otherwise.
When so-called Republicans retire, they needn’t apply for their social security benefits, so much against big government that they are. Bunch of nitwit hypocrites that they have become.
Why don’t they write checks directly to the Department of Defense if they think this war is so wonderful?
Put your money where your mouths are.
All talk and no action is what they are.
have a nice day
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:09 pmIraq was a wonderful place under Saddam, with all that rape, amputation, detentions, kidnapping, mass murder, genocide…
Comment by Infinite Reach — May 22, 2006 @ 1:45 pm
And to
Comment by Retired Republican Soldier — May 22, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
If liar Bush is so moral and so man of God and he cares about humanity and freedom, he would help by do something about Darfur. More then 100K people have died in just two years, but what have Bush and his bullies done about it, what have they done? Bush has done absolutely NOTHING to stop the genocide. Why? NO Oil. They don’t care about the Arabs, African or anyone, all they care is about filling up their pockets with blood money, that is it.
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:10 pmYou should go and educate your selves. http://www.unicefusa.org/ site/ pp.asp?c=duLRI8O0H&b=50755
#68 – please refer to #69 – she has written it better, and probably much nicer, than I ever could.
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:14 pmhaven’t read the book. Won’t read the book. I don’t like that type of fiction in general. Probably won’t see the movie. But it is pretty hard to miss the headlines about it. Seems to be making the Catholic church abortion-level upset. Over a fictional book? Seriously – they don’t have enough to do? Or are they that threatened? Seems liek a lot of fuss over ‘nohting’
Comment by unbelievable — May 22, 2006 @ 3:04 pm
unbelievable – I am not a fiction reader either, but I was talked into reading it and I couldn’t put it down.
I think what bothers people is the assertion that Brown makes in it’s begining that all references to art, architecture, and history are 100% accurate and are not fictional.
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:22 pmRaz,
You should educate yourself on Iraq under Saddam. From UNICEF in 1999:
Surveys reveal that in the south and center of Iraq — home to 85 per cent of the country’s population — under-5 mortality more than doubled from 56 deaths per 1000 live births (1984-1989) to 131 deaths per 1000 live births (1994-1999). Likewise infant mortality — defined as the death of children in their first year — increased from 47 per 1000 live births to 108 per 1000 live births within the same time frame. The surveys indicate a maternal mortality ratio in the south and center of 294 deaths per 100,000 live births over the ten-year period 1989 to 1999.
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:25 pmSick of America and the people totally I wish it would just dissapear
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:25 pmWomen were educated in Iraq, their education was on a par with the males in the society and they did hold positions throughout the country,
Comment by diana wolf — May 22, 2006 @ 3:03 pm
I had a female co-worker in California who held a masters degree in architecture from a university in Baghdad. She never talked about her life back there. But I know she was very upset when the bombing on Baghdad started.
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:25 pmI think what bothers people is the assertion that Brown makes in it’s begining that all references to art, architecture, and history are 100% accurate and are not fictional.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — May 22, 2006 @ 3:22 pm
Oh, I thought they were upset about Jesus having sex…
So, the book is about art? Specifically DaVinci’s work? What’s it got to do with Jesus’s sex life?
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:31 pmBERLIN: Germany is prepared to accept the current state of Iran’s nuclear research if Tehran agrees to place its nuclear programme under international surveillance, according to Monday’s edition of the magazine Der Spiegel.
Quoting government sources, the German news magazine says the concessions would include acknowledging Tehran’s achievements in uranium enrichment, but in return Iran would have to allow international organisations to monitor its nuclear activity.
In Tehran, A prominent Iranian MP has proposed talks with lawmakers from the United States over the nuclear programme, a press report said on Sunday. “Some space must be opened so that we can talk to US public opinion, its thinkers and even lawmakers,†said Kazem Jalali, spokesman for the Iranian parliament’s influential national security and foreign affairs commission. “Negotiations between two hostile states can be a positive step,†he was quoted as saying by the Teheran Times newspaper.
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:33 pmTo Infinite Reach
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:44 pmI know the stats under Saddam, I agree with you that it was bad. But having Bush lie to Americans that we are there to promote freedom and save lives is a bunch of Bu***st. Our brave soldiers where sent to secure the OIL for another 50+ years because we had to pull most of the US soldiers out of Saudi Arabia. Bush’s moral high ground is his money and investment that he has with the oil company but not humanity.
So, the book is about art? Specifically DaVinci’s work? What’s it got to do with Jesus’s sex life?
Comment by unbelievable — May 22, 2006 @ 3:31 pm
A secret society, of which Davinchi was supposedly one of their many prominent leaders, carried the secret that the “Holy Grail” (the fabled chalice that held Jesus’ blood at the last supper) was actually Mary Magdalene’s womb (He knocked her up).
This society supposedly not only protected this secret but also those individuals that were Jesus’ descendants… because they knew that the Catholic Church of old would have nixed them if they would have figured out their identities.
Many of this societies secrets were supposedly encrypted in many prominent works of art, architecture, literature ect… It is fun to look up these works and think about them in a new light.
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:48 pmClif – Pssst – don’t tell – but the WMD’s are in …shhhh…. Syria.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 22, 2006 @ 3:00 pm
NO they are not that idiotic talking poiunt has been debunked, see the Air force has radar planes in the area and whether the supposed weapons were ground convoyed or air lifted they would have known… so get some talking points that even an eith grader would believe in, for a supposed lawyer yopu spout the most idiotic things, must be one of those corporate morons
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:49 pmArab deaths at Saddam hands (pre war): 1,000,000+
Arab deaths at Saddam hands (post war): 0
Comment by Retired Republican Soldier — May 22, 2006
American deaths at Saddam hands (pre-war) ZERO
American deaths at GW Bush hands (still at war) 2,600+/20,000 wounded
No retarded republican, the issue is not half full glasses. It is a WAR started by GW Bush based on lies and money. I don’t care how retired you are, you need to go volunteer to support our troops that you want murdered in Iraq. Crawl back under your rock and hopefully in November, we will really see the truth starting to come out. Why are Repulsives afraid we will impeach the WORST president ever? Gee, sounds like they know he is CROOK, unlike Repulsive, Ricard Nixon.
May 22nd, 2006 at 3:59 pmIt is fun to look up these works and think about them in a new light.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — May 22, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
Thanks for teh synopsis. Sounds like a word of fiction to me…
In Art History, our teacher superimposed as self-portrait of DaVinci over an image of the Mona Lisa, saying that one theory claims that the mysterious Mona Lisa smirk is simply DaVinci’s secret that he painted himself as a woman.
I could see how that could lead to further speculation… and a fictional tale.
But, hey, a couple of zealots here are trying to ban Harry Potter books from the school libraries because they will encourage witchcraft. The woman who started the issues hasn’t ever actually read a Harry Potter book… I’m rarely surprised anymore by what the far right will declare ‘unholy’ just to have something to bitch about.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:07 pmwell said AZrising
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:09 pmClinton was crucified for getting a BJ and lying about it. Yet here comes Bush where he has American and Iraqi blood on his hands and the won’t even censure his lying retarded ass. I don’t get it.
Sadly the right includes the deaths from the Reagan sponsored Iran/Iraq war as deaths under Sadaams reign. There was a news story shortly after the invasion about our troops finding mass graves got a lot of publicity. It was discovered shortly thereafter that the mass graves were Iran/Iraq war graves. I think that Fox and others like them did not run that part of the story, so the thugs think every mass grave is a sadaam atrocity.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:12 pmDear GW, Prince of Darkness – You should have watched the History Channels’ Da Vinci De-Coded Week – you might have learned a bit about the Maravingians, Opus Dei as well as Art History….
Dear Razamataz – Since energy runs the engine of the economy, oil is a vital national interest – except for deadbeats and entitlement leeches. Maybe we should re-visit nuclear power – just like the FRENCH. I wish we’d fill up with alternative fuel and wave a permanent goodbye to our enemies, the sycophant Saudis and Communist Hugo Chavez.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:13 pm#69 my original posting you refer to was sarcastic and an attempt to mimic the limbaughs/Hannity’s/Fox News Networks of the right wing world.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:18 pm#88 – Mark – I said to Mr. Aphrodite “no one could possibly be as sympathetic to the enemy as Mark.” He thought you would issue an understanding statement defending the Iranian’s holding US hostages for 444 days. (Congratulations (!!) you did not disappoint Mr. A.!!) Having just read your post #88, I see I am mistaken, you are an enemy sympathizer.- I just lost a ‘favourite dinner” bet….
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:24 pmThanks for teh synopsis. Sounds like a word of fiction to me…
Comment by unbelievable — May 22, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
It is a work of fiction but it has enough indisputable fact cleverly woven in with fiction and supposition that it is fun… I am normally a reader of science and not fiction, but I did enjoy this book and would recommend it to anyone… even a non fiction reader.
Dear GW, Prince of Darkness…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 22, 2006 @ 4:13 pm
You elevate me to such high status… a prince… oh my… I’m all verclemped.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:30 pmAll of the companies with the no-bid contracts to ‘rebuild’ the Iraqi infrastructure should have their contracts cancelled, asap. They should also be sued for failing to meet their contractual obligations. And they should have to pay substantial penalties, for misrepresenting their ability to deliver on their promised accomplishments. I know, I know, not gonna happen.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:31 pmINDICATORS JUDD IGNORES:
UP FROM ZERO AFTER DEFEATING SADDAM
TRAINED JUDGES 351
CAR TRAFFIC HAS QUADRUPLED
NUMBER OF REGISTERED CARS HAS DOUBLED
TELEPHONE SUBSCRIBERS HAS QUADRUPLED
INTERNET SUBSCRIBERS HAS INCREASED BY %3000
COMMERCAIL TV STATIONS 44
COMMERCIAL RADIO STATIONS 72
INDEPENDENT NEWSPAPERS AND MAGS OVER 100
OVER 1 MILLION ADDITIONAL CHILDREN ENROLLED IN SCHOOL
EXCEPT FOR SUNNI AREAS OVERWHELMING MAJORITY
OF PEOPLE FEEL VERY SAFE IN THEIR NEIGHORBOODS
WHEN SHOULD COALITION FORCES LEAVE:
MAJORITY SAY WHEN SECURITY IS RESTORED
IRAQ OIL PRODUCTION AVG IS ABOVE AVG UNDER SADDAM POST 1991 GULF WAR.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:36 pmI said to Mr. Aphrodite
I see I am mistaken, you are an enemy sympathizer.- I just lost a ‘favourite dinner†bet….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 22, 2006 @ 4:24 pm
Ah a lawyer at home at 1:24 on a work day, more proof MA is delusional and a hack paid for its trolling only…
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:39 pm#94- You missed a couple of items. Also up from zero, suicide bombers, Iraqi’s tortured by Americans, and ‘permanent’ U.S. military bases. We don’t want to forget about those!
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:57 pmClif – You probably don’t get out much – but sometimes I actually meet hubby for lunch….I’m due at a deposition at 3:00 and will be in court Tuesday and Wednesday. Since I am fabulously prepared for my court appearance, no need for you to worry. But my trolling $$$ is going to come in very handy – I’ve started quite a nice college fund for the mini-Aphrodites. Unlike progs, we’re not looking for our fellow taxpayers to come to the rescue with loans and grants.
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:58 pmWhen Iraq911AfghanistanClinton attacked us, its was game over for Saddam. When Germany bombed Pearl Harbor, did we sit on our ass? Hell no! The aluminum tubes, the weapons labs, the Niger yellowcake, the 16 words, Curveball, arial drones, the declassified NEI, the WHIG war marketing group, Judy Miller, Libby, turning aspens, and all the other dispelled war-hyping propaganda was necessary. In hindsight, reading PDBs should have been necessary, but thats long gone. Cant go back there. Yes it said something about possible hijacking, but nothing about crashing planes into buildings. Granted you have to first hijack a plane in order to crash it into a building, but no specifics. In fact, the PDB didnt say anything about the exact day & time, what airline, gate, seat number, special food service request, no nothing. Yeah, people like Tenet and Clarke “had their hair on fire” back in DC, but man that PDB was one wordy document. And damn it, i was on a 30 day vacation at the time, Perching it up. Damn you liberal media. Report on some painted schools why dont cha. – George
May 22nd, 2006 at 4:59 pmMurtha tells the truth, but the GOP members in DC call him senile, and Hillary Clinton as well! He must demand an end to Iraq occupation, before Dubya Dunce Decider attacks Iran next!
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:01 pmEXCEPT FOR SUNNI AREAS OVERWHELMING MAJORITY
OF PEOPLE FEEL VERY SAFE IN THEIR NEIGHORBOODS
Comment by Mrs. Boucoup McMillions — May 22, 2006 @ 4:36 pm
Obviously you know nothing about the total disaster Basara has become.
TRAINED JUDGES 351
But no police or court houses that functrion…the police are way too busy settling scores
CAR TRAFFIC HAS QUADRUPLED
That happens when you have a lot of suicide bombers and so many places for them to go
NUMBER OF REGISTERED CARS HAS DOUBLED
But that does count all the ones they registered and blew up RIGHT?
TELEPHONE SUBSCRIBERS HAS QUADRUPLED
To bad no phone service or electricity for the phone companies to use
INTERNET SUBSCRIBERS HAS INCREASED BY %3000
Same as above with out electricity how do they run the computers?
COMMERCAIL TV STATIONS 44
43 run by DOD or paid stooges remember the story about the pentagon planting the stories, they had to creat the press to plant stories.
COMMERCIAL RADIO STATIONS 72
INDEPENDENT NEWSPAPERS AND MAGS OVER 100
OVER 1 MILLION ADDITIONAL CHILDREN ENROLLED IN SCHOOL
But given the sectarian violance with each side running for cover in their particular majority area most children do not go to school every day, and teachers can’t always show up for fear of reprisals. How many are in Falugha?
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:03 pmaccess to potable water, and this doesn’t mean the infrastructure’s going to pot. It’s just that a lot of people are newly deceased….
My, what progress!
Cheers,
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:12 pmOooops. Try this:
You might expect a decrease in the total number of people with access to potable water, and this doesn’t mean the infrastructure’s going to pot. It’s just that a lot of people are newly deceased….
My, what progress!
Cheers,
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:13 pmBut my trolling $$$ is going to come in very handy – I’ve started quite a nice college fund for the mini-Aphrodites. Unlike progs, we’re not looking for our fellow taxpayers to come to the rescue with loans and grants.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 22, 2006 @ 4:58 pm
We get it directally from the repug pukes who steal it for us…thank you for clearing that up.
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:14 pmI’ve been ignoring every single post that Mighy Mouth has posted today.
I highly recommend it. :D
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:20 pmIt’s all about the money. In the early 90’s Murtha, who reps in the Pittsburgh area, finagled to keep the Philadelphia Shipyard Open, that is a couple hundred miles from his district and that had been obsolete for more than 30 years costing the tax payers millions in wasted money. why?? Union campaign contributions, I should imagine. He got a bill passed requiring that the USS John F Kennedy have a 3 year overhaul in Philly. Just for starters, the entire Delaware River up to Phildaelphia had to be dredged. The base itself was in the process of closing down so the young sailors were housed in run down hotels at the airport. Most could not even afford a car as the insurance in many cases was more per year that they had paid for the cars in the first place. Some nurses were housed in buildings on the post until they could no longer deal with sewage backing up into their living rooms. So, concern for the military personnel is just not one of Mr. Murtha’s strong points. I was living there at the time and worked with Navy Relief to help the Navy people cope and I tell you it made me sick. Murtha doesn’t give a damn about the military or its personnel–just follow the money.
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:27 pmGW, Prince of Darkness…
Too cool…
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:31 pm“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”
John F Kennedy, 1961
“I’m scared. Especially of the Angry Left. Run away!”
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:41 pmJohn Murtha, 2006
Bush and his partners in denial and their attempts to put a Panglossian spin on the war have grown monotonous, predictable, and pathetic. At every turn they have underestimated and miscalculated, over promised and underdelivered. You would think Iraq was a gigantic ice rink the way they’ve slipped and stumblebummed like neophyte skaters high on power and hubris. They’re blind because the fog in this war is emanating from the White House. In Iraq the picture is crystal clear and it ain’t pretty; in fact, at times, it’s downright grim. That’s the way war is – it’s the Mother of All Reality Shows. The next time Bush is channel-surfing, one can only hope he finds the same channel John Murtha is watching, or for that matter, that most Americans are watching. Maybe then he’ll get clue.
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:43 pmClif,
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:49 pmSaddam, the anti-democracy insurgency and al qaeda appreciate your support. You’ve got their talking points nicely organized in your hate America folder?
To # 98
May 22nd, 2006 at 5:59 pmWhere the hell are you getting your info? From FOX? You should go back to school and learn history. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor not Germany. Yes they were allies.
It is obvious that you are an illiterate war mongering neocon that follows lying Bush like a sheep. I am surprised why are you here if you believe all that is true about why we really went to Iraq. If you really believe Bush’s big fat LIES then go and fight. I suppose you are going to say that you were or are there which is just another big fat LIE like your coward LYING damn ass Bush of leader.
#91 talk about twisting meaning out of something, and the wrong conclusion you have defiantely reached. You sir are sadly delusional and perfectly suited to be a rightwing paid blog commentator. Yes they exist as a friend works for a fairly large law firm in Washington (hint bob dole) and he said they hire people to work these things al the time. Not his firm per se, but his clients. You see he thinks I am one of them, you that is, and I am not.
The true enemy sympathizers are those who do Al Queda’s work here in the US.Long ago The pres said we are under attack because Al Queda hates our freedoms. Now as our freedoms are being rolled back here in the US (example: pat Roberts what good is liberty when you are dead?) anyone who supports the administration in their rollbacks is supporting Al Queda in their quest to achieve their goal of eliminating our freedoms. Hey don’t blame me, the one thing I support the president in is that statement that implies our freedoms must be preserved. Anyone who supports torture, invading sovereign nations, illegal domestic wiretapping, eliminating freedom of the press etc… is working against the constitution. Of course I lump curious george in this bunch as his oath is to protect and fend the constitution, as is the military’s (though your military service is pretty much fake as is the rest of your resume, you should at least know the oath.) Since curious george is waging war on the constitution, he is a traitor to the country and doing al queda’s work for them as are his loyal minions. Congrats traitor MA.
May 22nd, 2006 at 6:01 pmsounds like many of the Marines I worked with over 30 years. Even when they are intilligent gfted, and experienced they actually start to be lieve they are the few the proud the marines. they always forget that they are also the JARHEADS AND GRUNTS and well deserved of those names
May 22nd, 2006 at 6:07 pmTestimony from a former U.S. Army Ranger
A must see video
May 22nd, 2006 at 6:08 pmYou’ve got their talking points nicely organized in your hate America folder?
Comment by Infinite Reach — May 22, 2006 @ 5:49 pm
Do not have a hate America folder, but a folder for my military documents like my DD form 214’s and a folder for my VA papers…..so try again
As for talking points try the truth it belongs to nobody but simply is something that is lost on neo-con spinmiesters like your self since you attampt to smear anybody that challanges the repug daily spin with the truth.
May 22nd, 2006 at 6:08 pmThose who want the troops out of Iraq face a bit of a dilemma. If Bush is believed, and there is no reason to believe anything he has said, he will not remove troops until the govt there asks and it also means not until there has been a success. So if he is permitted to mischaracterize the reality there and describe it as a success, then he will bring the troops home. So, there is some reason to let him mischaracterize. Are those who want the troops home willing to pay the price of pretending Bush was right on the war in order to bring the troops home? THis may appear absurd but think back on how we finally left Vietnam.
May 22nd, 2006 at 6:14 pmI’ve been ignoring every single post that Mighy Mouth has posted today.
I highly recommend it. :D
Comment by unbelievable
Of course, yours is a great idea. Still I find it interesting that Mighty Hypocrite actually admitted finally to receiving money for trolling in #97:
May 22nd, 2006 at 6:45 pm“But my trolling $$$ is(SIC) going to come in very handy – I’ve started quite a nice college fund for the mini-Aphrodites.”
“But my trolling $$$ is(SIC) going to come in very handy – I’ve started quite a nice college fund for the mini-Aphrodites.â€
Comment by Lora — May 22, 2006 @ 6:45 pm
He’s sending his hamsters to college? How bizzare… even for that one.
May 22nd, 2006 at 6:56 pmbetter get the bushkid out before we reach the place of no return.—- pay me heed i’ve been warning ya a long time now.— about how important it is; — that we get the bushkid out of office.
May 22nd, 2006 at 7:00 pmLOL Mighty Moron has NO real children > they must be his cats or pet rats! He did admit to getting paid to post in here which I figured out months ago! I just wish he would admit he is male and stop play acting as a female!
May 22nd, 2006 at 7:06 pmJAN. 31, 2006: WORLD PUBLIC OPINION.ORG POLL – WHAT THE IRAQI PUBLIC WANTS
QUESTION TO IRAQIS: DO YOU THINK THAT IRAQ TODAY IS GENERALLY HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OR WRONG DIRECTION?
Overall – 64%
Kurds – 76%
Shia – 84%
Sunni – 6% (this is the group progressives sympahize with)
QUESTION TO IRAQIS: THINKING ABOUT ANY HARDSHIPS YOU MIGHT HAVE SUFFERED SINCE THE
US-BRITAIN INVASION, DO YOU PERSONALLY THINK THAT OUSTING SADDAM HUSSEIN WAS WORTH
IT OR NOT?
Overall – 77%
Kurds – 91%
Shia – 98%
Sunni – 13%
QUESTION TO IRAQIS: DO YOU APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE (STRONGLY OR SOMEWHAT) OF ATTACKS
ON US-LED FORCES IN IRAQ?
Overall – 47%
Kurds – 16%
Shia – 41%
Sunni – 88%
Hey Jack, most Iraqis don’t agree with you, but the terrorists insurgents and al qaeda do. And so do the useful idiots on the left.
May 22nd, 2006 at 7:18 pmsuccess!
May 22nd, 2006 at 7:44 pmLora & Jay Savant – Did you ever consider trolling for the Repubs – they sure PAY ALOT more than the cheap-skate Left!!!! My personal favourite “cheap” Left antic – this week – “Bring your cell phones with free week end minutes for a phone bank in San Francisco to help San Diego Congressional Candidate, Francine Busby.” Ever wonder where that money you send t the DNCC goes? Ever wonder why progressive humour is divided into two categories: a.) none b.) filthy…..
Jay – You probably have forgotten about my little Repubs as children are not allowed at your “mobile home village”.
must be running…
May 22nd, 2006 at 7:54 pm#6, I was drafted during the Vietnam war, it was then that I turned into a pacifist hippie as a result of the things I’ve seen. What service have YOU seen you God Damn chickenhawk?
May 22nd, 2006 at 8:07 pmLora & Jay Savant – Did you ever consider trolling for the Repubs – they sure PAY ALOT more than the cheap-skate Left!!!! My personal favourite “cheap†Left antic – this week – “Bring your cell phones with free week end minutes for a phone bank in San Francisco to help San Diego Congressional Candidate, Francine Busby
Comment by Mighty Hypocrite
Mighty Hypocrite,
May 22nd, 2006 at 8:13 pmThank you for admitting twice in this thread that you are a paid Repugnacant troll.
Since I don’t live and have never lived in San Diego, I will not comment on Francine Busby’s campaign–other than to say that I recall you used to support super-felon Randy Cunningham. Ever hear of the aphorism “People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones?” Hypocrite.
LOL Mighty Moron has NO real children > they must be his cats or pet rats! He did admit to getting paid to post in here which I figured out months ago! I just wish he would admit he is male and stop play acting as a female!
Comment by Jay Randal
Jay,
May 22nd, 2006 at 8:17 pmPlease don’t insult cats. I don’t think a person with as much venom could take good care of a cuddly cat. And if he does have them, I think someone ought to call the local animal welfare society.
As for rats, I could see that.
As for rats, I could see that.
Comment by Lora — May 22, 2006 @ 8:17 pm
Lora even rats have standards
May 22nd, 2006 at 8:21 pmChecked CBS website in order to watch the tape twice today. It wasn’t on there at all.
Guess they are afraid that Alberto is watching.
I believe Murtha is a hero for telling it like it is.
May 22nd, 2006 at 8:23 pmLora & Jay Savant – Did you ever consider trolling for the Repubs – they sure PAY ALOT more than the cheap-skate Left!!!!
Comment by Mighty Hypocrite
Ps. Mighty,
May 22nd, 2006 at 8:48 pmThanks for the job offer. But my soul is never for sale.
LOL I see that Mighty has admitted again to being paid by GOP to post on here > at least that is settled as a fact! Now he needs to come clean about being male and no children!
May 22nd, 2006 at 9:19 pmMA could have a pet Python or maybe his kids are a couple Pit-Bull dogs? Wow we find out in the end she is a he and does hair styling for “Log Cabin” Republican males and trolls TP threads for Karl Rove on the side!
May 22nd, 2006 at 10:02 pmTHank you Jack for continuing to speak the truth!
May 22nd, 2006 at 10:03 pmMighty-Big fat ,bald rethug loser..I know you(shit for brains)..You can’t come back on that can you? Too personal?? sO WHAT DO SICK ,lonely FAT BALD LOSERS LIKE YOU DO?? You are a freak and a coward that supports freaks and cowards. Will not name a place and a time to meet and discuss your perverted view of the world will you?? Just a chicken shit piece of dog Sh*t. Hide behind your keyboard retard, or step out into the real world. Now I have done everything I can do to make you stand up and be a human and defend yourself…you won’t will you?? Have a nice day Sh*t for brains.
May 22nd, 2006 at 10:16 pm#133 Joefriday,
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:00 amYou are a bit unfair to fat bald people. My late stepfather was fat and bald but basically a nice person, and I am sure there are other bald fatties out there who have good hearts. However, I can agree with you that Mighty is a loser and perhaps with most of the other names you call him.
Just ask any Iraqi. Then read this: http://www.haleakalatimes.com/news/story1986.aspx
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:11 amSurveys reveal that in the south and center of Iraq — home to 85 per cent of the country’s population — under-5 mortality more than doubled from 56 deaths per 1000 live births (1984-1989) to 131 deaths per 1000 live births (1994-1999). Likewise infant mortality — defined as the death of children in their first year — increased from 47 per 1000 live births to 108 per 1000 live births within the same time frame. The surveys indicate a maternal mortality ratio in the south and center of 294 deaths per 100,000 live births over the ten-year period 1989 to 1999.
Comment by Infinite Reach — May 22, 2006 @ 3:25 pm
Well, waddya know. You are quotung the results of the UN sanctions period and the illegal “no fly zones”, which had no basis in international law and were simply more US-UK war-crimes. Surely you recall Albright’s famous crack about the deaths of 500,000 children being a “price worth paying”. Talk about arguing AGAINST yourself.
*This is a war against the children of Iraq on two fronts: bombing, which in the last year cost the British taxpayer £60 million. And the most ruthless embargo in modern history. According to Unicef, the United Nations Children’s Fund, the death rate of children under five is more than 4,000 a month – that is 4,000 more than would have died before sanctions.*
‘Squeezed to death’ John Pilger investigates; Guardian Saturday March 4, 2000
Thanks for reminding us that there was really just a lull in the fighting between Iraq I and Iraq II.
And BTW Saddam was encouraged and supported by the USUK® in the Iran-Iraq War – the purpose of which is to be continued shortly.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:10 amI would like have noted, regarding comments by Rep. Murtha, who is or who is not a Veteran.
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:04 amI would like have noted, regarding comments by Rep. Murtha, who is or who is not a Veteran.
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:05 amGod Bless Congressman Murtha. He is a Patriot.
May 23rd, 2006 at 8:02 amWhat I would like to know, though, is what is the deal with the permanent military installations we are constructing in Iraq ? No one ever mentions this slight “inconvenience” in a pull-out scenario. Don’t these “forts” mean we’ll be stuck there ad infinitum ?
As a citizen from another country looking in, what I find interesting but incomprehensible at times is the contradictions of American Politics. Americans accept such hardship in their individuals lives stolicly, express great confidence that they are first in battle, brains, brawn and democracy and yet… for 4-1/2 years have succumbed to the techniques of spoken fears and the language of political confinement. G.W.SuperChrist’s post (near the top) is an example of how in a time of fear speach changes from “Freedom of…” to shackles of derision and denigration. But looking back to such novels as “1984″ I think I have figured out this newspeak…
The (Neo) New American Dictionary
bleeding heart – (expr) One who cares for others, a true Christian etc.
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:10 amunpatriotic – (adj) Watching CNN rather than FOX
hate America – (expr) Believes in the rule of law and the Constitution
terrorist loving – (expr) Believes that “We the people..” is not a private document but a shared one.
liberal coward - (noun) a Democrat Hawk, A Miltary sevice during the time of the wrong party’s Presidents
pacifist hippie – (noun) An Honorable Military Serviceman with real experience in both War and Peace.
Bush has spent billions on the Superbases in Iraq, but alas the Roman Empire of antiqity did the same in foreign lands but nonetheless had to abandon them eventually! Dubya Dunce Decider is bankrupting America for his dreams of an OIL Empire!
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:32 am#27 –
In all fairness, anyone who has common sense could see that Iraq had no WMD. They’d been under UN sanctions since the first Gulf War, and really, I have to think that Saddam and his “regime” had to see the writing on the wall. They were taking the money they were getting from the “Oil for Food” kickbacks and sinking it into Swiss bank accounts. Unfortunately, riding the “patriotic homeland security” wave, good ol’ Dubya got to go play in the sand with his new toys. It’s not the fault of thinking Americans, it’s the fault of the career politicians who were afraid to stand up to public scrutiny.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:03 pmTo # 98
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 pmWhere the hell are you getting your info? From FOX? You should go back to school and learn history. Japan attacked Pearl Harbor not Germany. Yes they were allies.
It is obvious that you are an illiterate war mongering neocon that follows lying Bush like a sheep. I am surprised why are you here if you believe all that is true about why we really went to Iraq. If you really believe Bush’s big fat LIES then go and fight. I suppose you are going to say that you were or are there which is just another big fat LIE like your coward LYING damn ass Bush of leader
The history of internal repression is a story of repeated state
violence against the Iraqi people, mass murder, execution, torture,
extra-judicial detention, rape, forced displacement and deportation.
In pursuit of the hegemonic appetite of its leader, the regime
forced Iraqis into two wars that killed hundreds of thousand of
Iraqis, ruined Iraq’s economy, and robbed Iraqi children of their
future.â€
Comment by Infinite Reach #35
Impotent Freak,
…read your post carefully…
…and imagine you were writing about the American penal system TODAY…
…or the Puritans’ (and later white settlers’- your forefathers’) relations with the indigenous and slave population of America…
…or law enforcement and urban ghetto/minority populations (historically)…
…or EVEN the criminally corrupt, TREASONOUS Bushite junta’s illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 pmArab deaths at Saddam hands (pre war): 1,000,000+
Arab deaths at Saddam hands (post war): 0
Comment by Retired Republican Soldier #39
Retarded Republiscum Traitor,
Arab/African deaths at Americans’ hands (pre war): untold millions (from arms sales)
Arab/African deaths at americans’ hands (post war): untold millions and climbing
…it’s about whether one’s eyes are open…
…or willful ignorance closes them to the truth…
…people like your TREASONOUS ilk deserve Bushiva’s freedom and democracy…
…not HIS innocent victims…
…or those of your corrupt, greedy, inhuman idols…
…the so-called gods of war…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:54 pmLYING Bush claims “God told me to go to Iraqâ€. This is lying Bush’s war, blood is on his greedy hand. This will be his hell, he has to live with this guilt for the rest of his life. He is going to be remembered as the worst president ever. He has done absolutely nothing for this county, excepting bring death and grief. This lying president has dragged our great name and reputation as the most humanitarian country to an expansionist nation.
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:37 pm#132 – “Will not name a place and a time to meet and discuss your perverted view of the world will you??” Another “comment and invitation” by JoeFREAKday
*****Dear Mr. FREAKday, Thank you for the offer to meet and discuss my views. Unfortunately, my work allows me to interact with enough sick F^@Ks that a meeting with you, one more sick F^@K, would be tediously boring at best and dizzyingly redundant at worst. Sadly, you seem to have a need to meet with people from blogs – might I suggest you stay out of “My Space”. Perhaps taking up gardening, knitting or caring for your mother’s cat would alleviate some of your frustration. Good luck!
Back on thread – John Murtha, did have legislative influence before “bravely” pandering to the radical moonbats of the Left and picking up Dennis Kuchinichs’ Dept. of Peace from the dust bin. In 1993, Murtha advised President Clinton to “cut and run” from Somalia. Do you see a pattern? (Terrorists seem to have the ear of the progressive faint of heart.)
Good night
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:02 pmDear Mr. FREAKday, Thank you for the offer to meet and discuss my views. Unfortunately, my work allows me to interact with enough sick F^@Ks that a meeting with you, one more sick F^@K, would be tediously boring at best and dizzyingly redundant at worst.
Comment by Mighty Hypocrite
Gee, Mighty, what do you expect when you work for the RNC?
May 25th, 2006 at 12:34 amDear Lora – You sound like such a twisted sister, “a sick F^@K” sounds right up your ALLEY – literally..
May 25th, 2006 at 2:42 pmJOHN MURTHA SHOULD TAKE HIS JOCK STRAP INTO THE WHITE HOUSE AND LAY IT DOWN ON BUSHES DESK,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,BET BUSH, CHENEY, ROVE, AND RUMSFIELD ALL TOGETHER COULDNT LIFT IT, BUSH THE AIR COD FLUNKIE, 5 DEFERRAL CHENEY, DONT FORGET ROVE , WITH HIS DEFERRAL , CANT BE ANY MORE CHICKEN SHIT THAN THESE BUNCH OF DUDS, PAINT THE WHITEHOUSE YELLOW, IT IS NO MORE THAN THE WORLDS BIGGEST CHICKEN COUP,,,,,,,,,,JOHN MURTHA HAS THE BALLS TO STAND UP AND TELL THE TRUTH, DONT SMEAR THE TRUTH FOR THE LIKES OF THE ILLEGITIMATE BUSH ADMINISRTATION
May 31st, 2006 at 7:49 pmYou have hit the nail on the head! Iraq itself is worse than before the US attacked it, and so are we Americans. Murtha is a hero for making an issue of what is right before our noses, when no one else would do it, for fear of the Bush administration which was proclaiming its right to stiffle criticism just because it had decided to take out Saddam Hussein. What an expensive SOB he turned out to be! Too bad we found him in that cave, because now we have to pay to make him look and feel fiesty for his court appearances. Murtha, you can do more to stop the hemmoraging of our vital national resources, our money! Step out and complain. We’re with you.
June 4th, 2006 at 4:12 amit depends on your definition of progress. If you think access to a flushable toilet is progress i guess its true but you already take for granted the things Iraqs people do not have namely the ability to talk about these types of topics freely. Your argument is really a short sited one. It will get worse in many ways before it gets better. For decades the western world has created this situation by brushing the middle east to the background or using people for their advantage. The UN and the rest of the world has been making empty threats for years. It was bad parenting. Iraq needed to be disciplined and the UN didn’t want to deal with it. Terrorism had a blind eye turned to it for decades. I think the Bush administration was very clever in creating a frontline- gathering all terrorist activities and resources into one place. These people dont fight by the rules of engagement. Iraqi people are better off- they can vote now- they have a say. Before they would be killed. Now they can speak.
Its really a few bad apples that dont want a new government. Before you had a minority bullying the majority through fear. People have to die for freedom.
by your estimates a toilet is more important than freedom- typical of americans. They have something already that they achieved through war and now they dont want the fighting to stop- but they still want cheap gas and coffee from Indonesia, and cheap clothes from China. Hypocrites!!! Is the war cramping your lifestyle? As long as you have your cell phone and Latte why cant people just get along.
there was a war in Iraq before Bush got there- between the majority and the minority- the majority was simply loosing through a terrorist ragime.
people probably had the same attitude during the American the Civil War. the attitude was “slavery works for us so why should we have a war- lets just have peace. cant we all just get along” yah we can all get along if we do it my way instead of yours.
the point is there are things worth going to war for. If you think we went to war for oil you would haveto give some evidence for that instead of just speculation. It always amazes me how we cant spread slander and liable about the president like he is fair game because he holds the office. Absolutely no proof is given simply rumors and the “come on do you really think…” argument. Would you be willing to put up with that abuse yourself?
Why dont you stop driving your own car, take public transport, buy locally, and move off the grid. then maybe your point would be ligitimate. The funny thing is the middle east sees the west as whores because of our greed, and pornography, lust etc.They believe we are trying to poison them. So why dont people stop protesting and change things by their lifestyle- why not? they dont want to be inconvenienced.
we need to take individual responsibility for the worlds problems instead of looking to our politicians to clean up the mess we all made.
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