Fox News: ‘Al Gore’s Global Warming Movie: Could It Destroy Our Economy?’
Fox News: ‘Al Gore’s Global Warming Movie: Could It Destroy Our Economy?’
This weekend on Fox News, host David Asman asked his guests to discuss the following question: “If people buy into [Al Gore’s] global warming hysteria, will it put him in the White House and our economy on the skids?” Steve Forbes answered yes, and called Gore’s new movie “a real recipe for more socialist regulation.”
For what it’s worth, the Apollo Alliance, a coalition of labor and environmental groups, has developed a plan to “develop alternative fuels, increase energy efficiency, rebuild and expand public transportation networks and come up with other initiatives to reduce fossil fuel use” that would create more than three million jobs in the process.
Full transcript:
ASMAN: Al Gore’s new documentary, An inconvenient Truth, it hits the theaters this week. If people buy into his global warming hysteria, will it put him in the White House and our economy on the skids? Steve, first off, is it gonna get him in the White House?
FORBES: No, if he believes that’s gonna get him in the White House, he needs to rub on something stronger than this sunscreen.
ASMAN: Alright, but if his global warming agenda somehow gets mixed up into our agenda, the national agenda, what’ll it do to the economy?
FORBES: It will ice the economy. And after all, some people do believe the DiVinci Code, so some will believe the DiGore Code. [Laughter] But the fact of the matter is, the policies that result from it would hurt the economy, would create unemployment. It’s a real recipe for more socialist regulation.
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KILL YOUR TEEVEE!!!
Honest to goodness, it’s the best thing anyone here in Murka can do.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:35 amTypical FOX wingnuttery. It’s not about the future of civilization, it’s about how much money they can make.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:40 amForbes is a loser. What more proof do you need than that he can’t get elected with a billion dollars to spend and no criminal record?
Hmm. Maybe it has to do with his resemblance to Skeletor…
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:42 amPreznit - I haven’t had TV for two years now, and I am so much more informed than those that do. Amazing, really. I have seen pictures of the war in Iraq…the problem is those that never will.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:43 amSo Steve Forbes thinks that Gore’s film is nothing more than a campaign ad? Yes, this from Mr. “Flat Tax” Forbes who inherited a fortune from his father and has never had to work a real job a single day in his life - and who moreover was rejected soundly by Republicans as a presidential nominee.
A “recipe for … socialist regulation”? Well, YEAH! But how/why is that a problem? The US needs to regulate businesses much more strongly than we do at present. A little dose of some good-old socialist regulation would be exactly what our economy needs.
All this noise about how responsible regulations on businesses will kill the economy is just that - noise. What is really at issue is that some people, such as Steve Forbes who make a living off of investments, etc., will make less of a profit if businesses have to spend more to conform to regulations. I believe quite confidently that the American people can invent ourselves out of this dependence on fossil fuels and can create many, many more new jobs in the process than private and corporate efforts can on their own. We need to push for more technology and better answers to our fuel needs than by what we are doing now.
So, long term gains for the environment and the economy are passed over for short term gains in the corporate bottom line. Same news, different day in America.
PS: I hope like crazy that Gore will run in 2008. We need Gore now more than ever, and after eight years of Dubya & Dick we will need a man with Gore’s vision and experience to pull us out of the economic and political chaos that the Bushies will leave behind.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:43 amALL HAIL THE FOX NEWS QUESTION-MARK HEADLINE!!!!
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 amIs Al Gore running for president again?
Is Sears having a sale? Is JC Penney having a sale?
Is Walmart having a sale?
Goodness gracious, Al Gore needs to give it a rest.
Maybe the alleged communist Dennis Kucinich would be a good president.
Yes, the world is warming. Is the US at fault?
I really don’t think so. That is what you call a ‘conflation.’
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 amThe neocons fear Gore - that means that we need to re-elect him in 2008!
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 amCOULD DIE HARD 4 DESTORY OUR PET CATS?
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:47 amthe transcript doesn’t show the follow-up question:
“and if the movie destroys the environment, can the blame be made retroactive to include the past year or two?”
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:48 ammy compliments to whoever is doing the screen grabs for these posts. this one and the oreilly one are great.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:49 amIt really blows my mind when ignoramuses tag peacemakers as being communists.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:50 amAsman? That’s not really his name, is it? Geeze…
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:53 amBut the fact of the matter is, the policies that result from it would hurt the economy, would create unemployment.
I am so sick of this GOP meme. The reality is that environmental protection and regulation actually creates jobs. I think their problem is that it destroys low paying jobs and creates higher paying jobs which would mean their corporate masters might have a smaller bottom line.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 amThe fact that Capitalism rules over all in their mentality infuriates me.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:55 amOh god, CAPTION CONTEST!
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:55 amNo matter, we’ll just make a movie called “State of Fear” which will be Fair and Balanced[tm] and follow it up with “Charlie and the Tax Cut Factory” and “Republicans of the Carribean” and “Dr Norquist: How I learned to stop worrying and love the debt” (you’ll like that one, Grover rides on top of a bathtub drowning the government shouting yee-haw) that will surely save our economy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 amBushinista’s favorite global warming canard: that mandatory curbs on fossil fuel pollution will “cripple the U.S. economy.†WELL, WHAT DO THEY THINK GLOBAL WARMING WILL DO TO THE ECONOMY!?!? I wish there was an even bolder bold on this computer to emphasize how insane this logic is. Non-stop flooding, killer heat waves, energy and food shortages: what will these do to the economy? Will it be good for Wall Street when millions of people are displaced from coastal cities?
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 amThank you, Ass man, for this hard-hitting smear job!
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 amLike Al Gore would even want to move into the White House anymore………
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 amHe’s doing a far greater good at the moment than he ever could as a resident of that vipers nest……
The tone of mockery these media talking heads use, and as well Dubious’ mocking tone yesterday on this issue; only reveals the extent of their disdain for the American citizenry, the Republic, and our Constitution.
They mock US:
they have gotten away with an illegal election, an illegal invasion, illegal domestic espionage, and as you all know the list goes on………
and now they are so arrogant they believe they can stand on stage and mock US to our faces and tell US they will continue to spit in our faces and trample the constitution into the manure of their machinations…..
And, oh, Mr. O’Railee, I am proud to be a part of any collection of voices who calls you on your sh!t
I think Gore’s struck a nerve here. Good for him.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:58 amYes, the world is warming. Is the US at fault?
I really don’t think so. That is what you call a ‘conflation.’
Comment by Ron — May 23, 2006 @ 11:44 am
Wow, Ron. Pretty tough to refute that fact-filled, scientifically peer-reviewed analysis of global climate change and its relationship to human activity.
I feel so much better now with your rigorous analysis of the situation.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:00 pmWow, the wingnuts sure are scared of Gore. They’re so funny.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:01 pmI would vote for Dennis Kucinich. Don’t misinterpret my purport, I said alleged. Dennis Kucinich is a good man. A communist he isn’t.
Where is Unicor these days?
The ‘illegal’ immigrants will be employed. They will also wish they were back in Mexico.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:03 pm“It will ice the economy. And after all, some people do believe the DiVinci Code”
Is this the same voting public who believed invading Iraq would be a smart thing to do? No wonder they’re worried!
Never fear, the CEI can always air more commercials showing glaciers putting themselves back together. I’m wearing my “got carbon?” t-shirt right now!
Mmmmm… CO2… greenhouselicious…
Bwahaha…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:03 pm*Newsflash*
Max Headrum has been upgraded to lead the Fox News Network. In 30 years there will be no need to fear the shortage of 30-35 year olds since his prototype is succeeding well in place of the oft-error prone human that has difficulty handling the overload of electromagnetic currents that are trapped inside the greenhouse gas umbrella. Let the planet burn, the economy will move along jus fine.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 pmWe need the dude from V for Vendetta to go kick some ass at FOX HQ like he did in the movie
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:08 pmComment by foxbot #17
GREAT titles foxbot…
…as for this topic…
…you mean there are human beings who actually STILL watch the Bushite-controlled Fox Propaganda Networks?
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:09 pmCaption contest:
Asman: “Al Gore’s new documentary, An inconvenient Truth, it hits the theaters this week. If people buy…..excuse me….just a minute. My producer is talking to me through my earpiece. What? No. He is? Everybody run! Al Gore just walked in! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!”
(Screen capture caught just as he is screaming)
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 pmOh my God, Fox News is putrid evil. They are the Death Star headquarters…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmWow. It’s amazing how Fox injects its mindless propaganda and talking points into everything so that millions of unsuspecting folks will find themselves spouting this garbage at the dinner table, at work, wherever.
It’s ingenius on an insidious level. It seeps into many conversations and belief systems. Even if the idea is outrageous, it finds its home into so many minds and out so many mouths.
But it’s also stomach turning for folks who think…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmOk. I admit it. It’s wasn’t really a caption. More of an alternate transcript. Can we have those types of contests too?
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmYes you right wing nuts be afraid.. But be afraid of the future your greed politics have created. Al is one of the very few that can save the future for you and your children.. Wake Up you sleeping fools.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmNext they’ll be telling people that seeing the movie will give them herpes or AIDS. Sheesh. The lies just get more and more insane with FAUX.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:19 pmIt’s funny how the global warming agenda has iced the economy of the European Union. Protecting the environment and having a good economy is not an either, or proposition.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmDumbya has done plenty to destroy the US economy, rewarding corporations for sending our jobs overseas, corporate welfare, 6 billion a month in Iraq, looting the tresury for his cronies; he doesn’t need any help from the ‘global warming agenda.’
Not importing oil would hurt us. How’s that?
New lows on Faux. they should stick to aruba and chain fences.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:23 pmWHAT DO THEY THINK GLOBAL WARMING WILL DO TO THE ECONOMY!?!?
Comment by Badmoodman — May 23, 2006 @ 11:57 am
Exactly!!! It’s just like fitting planes with metal cockpit doors… WAY TOO COSTLY… that was until 911… not fitting all planes with a couple million dollars worth of doors cost us trillions.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure… plus it’s a shit load cheaper!
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:23 pmWow! Looks like David Asman is ready for his daily Talking Points DownLOAD.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 pm.
So using your brain to solve problems like scientists and engineers have done to build this world we have today is going to hurt our economy?
So says the stupid man in a suit trying to pawn himself off as an intellect.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmWho needs stinking engineers anyway. There should have been alternative fuel to oil based products years ago. Stupid is as stupid does and America is damn stupid right now. So much for more efficient generation of energy. Oil is a pathetic waste of energy that generates more heat and waste than providing usable energy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:26 pm#5 - I was just about to say the same thing about “a real recipe for more socialist regulation.” That sounds like a dream to me! We need more regulation. All the deregulation that has happened in the past few decades has driven up costs for consumers, ruined the environment, and made the megarich much richer and more elite.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pm#32 - Ok. I admit it. It’s wasn’t really a caption. More of an alternate transcript. Can we have those types of contests too?
Comment by WC
Yes! Please!
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 pmGreat alt transcript, WC!
Disney has really done it now.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 pmThere is no question that there will be transition costs. However, numerous studies suggest more jobs from a “new economy” based upon decentralized and renewable energy sources (wind, photovoltaic, biomass fuels, etc.). Big Energy is not exactly eager to loosen the grips, and hence they love to fuel the hysteria about the danger to the economy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmI’m sorry. I missed the substance of Forbes argument. Evidence? Logic? Is global warming not happening? Not important? Or is the flooding of coastal cities acceptable because preventing it would be bad for the economy?
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmin somewhat related news, has anyone else caught the spin-friendly “fewer hurricanes expected in 2006″ headline.
please keep in mind:
that there was the category-3 hurricane named ‘beta’ because the used up the alphabetical storm names; and that ‘hurricane epsilon’ that developed in DECEMBER of last year.
another hurricane season like 2005 has a better chance of destroying the economy than any movie ever will…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmI believe the CEO of Shell Corp was being interviewed by Couric this morning as I was skipping around on the MSM and caught the view point of this CEO . He also said Gobal warming was threating our World and he was in partnership with the Gov of California to develop alternate fuel to stop Gobal Warming.
Fox would be supported if the bush/cheny W.H. was the first out of the “Barn” on this but……
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmRemember the campaign leading up to the 2000 election? Remember Chimpy’s mantra: “The economy is slowing down… the economy is slowing down.” And whaddya know! The economy slowed down. How can the truth like global warming hurt the economy? It might even spur new growth segments.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:32 pmEver heard of an ice age? Then the world warmed, independent of human activity, did it not?
Climates wax and wane. There are outcroppings of rock in the Atlantic which provides evidence that the ocean’s level was some four hundred feet higher than it is today. The little tiny teensy weensy bit of human activity don’t mean squat, it pales in comparison to what the earth is capable of doing all on its own.
Greenland once was home to Norwegian farmers. It was better weather than Norway there in Greenland.
“For the first century or so of their Greenland colonization, the Vikings and their descendants enjoyed a reasonably prosperous and pleasant life there. Greenland’s climate c. 1000 A.D. was in an extraordinarily warm phase, and the name Eric chose for his new land may not have been quite the real-estate promoter’s con-job as has been assumed. Even 350 years later, after a general global cooling had altered Greenland’s climate for the worse, Ivar Bardson wrote that “On the mountains and lower down grow the best of fruits, as big as apples and good to eat. There also grows the best wheat that exists.” Life in Greenland was hardly the rough outpost existence we might expect….
However by 1200, climatic change allowed the arctic ice pack to creep farther southward, making navigation in Greenland waters increasingly hazardous — even in summer. Ships came now only sporadically, and some years none called at all. In 1261, the Greenlanders felt obliged to accept union with Norway and subjection to the Norwegian crown, in return for which two ships would be sent per year. This effectively shut the Hansa markets off from Greenland trade, and sometimes even the promised Norwegian vessels didn’t make it through the ice. The colonies’ decline accelerated.”
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb4g1bv.html
Seems as though the evidence refutes the claims of modern day ’scientists’. oh well
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:34 pmdoes anyone recall the fux news team the night of the last election? they thought their chimp was going to lose at about 8 Pacific time, and started saying all kinds of crazy things. This sounds like the same sort of rant. When you have entertainers pretending to be newsies, they say and do things that are dead giveaways of what is troubling them. they know gore is the only candidate that could win, and the people that personally pay them to say nice things about poisons they sell want them to counter the message. as the world warms more during this year, and we see more results that prove any thing of what mr. gore has brought to their attention, they know that they will have major problems. Their benefactors won’t be able to pay them the big bucks any more, their role will be reduced to that of the preacher, (lower form of life than a lawyer) and they will have only the choir to address
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:36 pmwhy don’t we stop treating these folks as news, and just simply show them as the entertainers that they are, it would do oodles for their credibility. it would get them off the nations back
Good to know that, even when fossil fuels become scarce, we will always have an endless supply of toxic, flame-emitting gasbags on Fox News.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 pmWow! Great screen cap.
Caption Contest:
“I can eat that puppy in one bite.”
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:38 pmso ron, I guess its okay to keep burning coal, using fossil fuels, cutting down forests, etc….
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:39 pmDeregulation = monopolization
The facts speak for themselves. Corporate ownership of the airwaves, financial institutions, aviation, high tech, big oil, big pharma… have led us to the most corrupt government and companies that support it ever It has destroyed competition, let alone fair competition. Accounting is little more than a bad joke. Companies sell product to each other to drive up the appearance of demand. The rules that these corporations come up with become law (down to individual companies), allowing the creation of equity out of thin air, discouraging small business and when small business does succeed, they get swallowed up unless they are useful to turn into another predatory monopoly to fill a niche.
Trust are what got these anti-monopoly laws on the books in the first place. The US has taken a giant step back to the late 1800s to the golden time of big trusts and monopoly powers. Local business have been slaughtered and a homogenous group think set of companies have taken their place. Local news, entertainment and information is worthless as they too are owned by conglomerates that have no interest in the city or township, but just the money they can earn. Corporations by nature as sociopaths.
On energy alone the US is far behind China and Brazil in using technology to reduce dependence on oil. I’ve talked with sales execs from Kyocera and BP and both are stunned at the pure stupidity of the US consumer, government and corporations that don’t include renewables in the creation of new and upgrading of old infrastructure. Ethanol from corn is so energy intensive to make that it doesn’t solve anything but make more jobs (Brazil uses sugar cane).
Waiting for Adam Smith’s invisible hand will be as long a wait as the second coming of Jesus by christian zionists. There is no competition as the SEC made sure of that. Deregulation has created monopolies and oligopolies, precisely the opposite effect of what the SEC was created for. The FCC is another division of our government that hasn’t been worth a tinkers damn.
Technology is available, but even the Apollo Alliance is a dead cow that sucks in cash and has done nothing but generate doctored numbers from the states to meet what is supposed to be energy savings. Today’s technology and energy efficient amplification, low power/high torque motors, wide spread light weight composites and metal alloys…should have cut the cost of the average home appliance and HVAC system by up to 85% from what was available just 10 years ago. I see nothing on the horizon from any major manufacturer at the trade shows that suggest that we can expect the application of new energy saving technologies in the future. Once again, without real competition, the consumer can expect planned obsolescence and technology moving at a snail’s pace for products in the home.
Finally, the Americans persist in thinking that oil is endless and will not buy efficient cars and trucks in quantity. None of the American car makers create diesel or hybrid engines. They have to purchase them from other companies in Japan or Europe. The likelihood of hydrogen fuel cell cars is almost nil as there are no companies that are willing to put money into a distribution system. If it wasn’t for our representative government (when it was a representative government), there would be no internet, world wide web, interstate transportation system, satellite telecommunications system, landline communication system, clean tap water available to all, clean air, safe foods & medications, electricity and safe and equitable distribution, … Corporations have never been able to create and implement anything on the scale of what is necessary to cover the entire country and it would be nuts to think that they could or even should.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:42 pmGolbal Warming and inconsistency at fox news. (no surprise) During his special on global warming Asman touted the gasfication of two coal burning plants in the US as a progressive approach to the problem of air pollution. Then while critquing the economic viability of the kyoto accords in another news story Fox utilized Spains problems with meeting the Kyoto Standards and cited the extreme costs of gasification of its coal plants as being non-viable economically. Following this tortured path of logic at fox news I can by inference assume that FOX is not in favor of its own representation of a progressive approach to the problem of air pollution by hundreds of coal plants in the US. I find fox enjoyable for its entertainment value and its contortions as witnessed by Asmans and Oreillys facial expressions.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 pmBottom line is this: If we power the kind of civilization we want with atmospheric reactions (i.e. combustion) we will change the atmosphere.
Ron’s factless retort notwithstanding, it is possible to calculate the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and compare natural levels with human output. If we want the bring whole world up to our standard of living (which would be great unless you’re a xenophobe) those numbers don’t look good.
Sooner or later head-in-the sand-conservatives are going to have to drop this “We can’t possibly have the power to affect our environment” line of argument.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:45 pmThe national assn of manufacturers and the CEO summits should be eliminated to bring back some form of real competition. Whoever says these people don’t get together are full of crap. Collusion should be punished to the full extent of the law.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 pmDavid Ass-man.
Another overpaid Fox News propaganda flunkie.
-GSD
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 pmSometime, if you can, visit northern British Columbia. It will dawn on you that there is actually an inexhaustible supply of forest in northern Canada. When lightening strikes, nobody will be there to put out the fire. It is too far away to organize the manpower to fight a forest fire up there. When you drive along the Alaska Highway during the months of July and August, you see fires burning and evidence of a fire that extinguished itself. You also realize that there are trees as far as the eye can see; all virgin forest. It doesn’t stop.
However, I am against the deforestation of the Amazon forest biome. That process is a glacier in the making.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 pmron - I live in the Pacific Northwest, and I SEE what global warming is doing to our CEDAR TREES!
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmthose who would like to manufacture a false debate on this subject can point to the ‘medieval warm period’ all they want, but those people are guilty of having a ‘pre–Industrial Revolution mindset’
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmSometimes I wonder if paying attention to Fox only encourages them ….. like bad behavior in a child? Are they not really a joke as far as journalism and proper research are concerned?
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:53 pmI hear someone is making a documentary about Fox News. It’s called,
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:54 pm‘Dr. Strangenews or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love Misinformation.’ As you can guess, it stars the usual cast of idiots.
as for the argument about forest fires through lightening strikes, that you got right. Historically that is nature’s way of clearing. I learned that in the great forests of the California Sequoias.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:55 pmThese Fox nimrods know what any of us who have paid attention to economics know. We are headed for a MASSIVE crash, so it’s time for them to pick a scapegoat. I just didn’t think it would be this laughable.
An Inconvenient Truth will be the surprise hit of the summer. My words, mark ‘em! Fox News, good luck trying to keep people out of the air-conditioned theatres.
The Bush Legacy will be defined by Hurricane Katrina, but also by being so painfully inept and stupid that they helped make a documentary about global warming starring Al Gore into a smash hit.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:55 pmA much pettier observation: “The DiGore Code”? Goodness. I can’t recall a more forced unfunny attempt to conflate the hot topics of the day. Did Forbes manage to work in any Barry Bonds or American Idol references as the interview continued? I can only imagine the forced, hollow, nervous laughter that followed that zinger.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 pm“First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.” - Gandhi
Looks like we’ve finally moved to step 3.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmIt is, indeed, a rock and a hard place. The cedar trees in the PNW were cut down and shipped to build the levees along the Missippi River near New Orleans a hundred years ago or so. New cedars grow in there place. Oregon is a patchwork of commercial foresting. So is Washington State. Where cedars once stood tall, there are oodles of stumps in there place.
A warmer planet means increased carrying capacity for human existence. I reduced my total natural gas consumption this winter by about 1/3.
Global warming will reduce energy consumption.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 pmShills for the oil companies, that’s all. Same old rhetoric pops up anytime someone brings up global warming. Remember, the GOP is a marriage of convenience between the conservative Christians (some of whom would rejoice if the world “ends” for humans), the rich (who only care about the money they can make), the corporations (ditto), and the bigots (who think only the poor non-white folk will suffer).
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 pmThey will cover up, obfiscate, lie right in your face. It takes maturity to not pay any attention to their crap and find out the truth. And yes, it will make you angry. And yes, it may make Gore president, but don’t hold your breath for Fox or the GOP or their West Wing arm to agree.
If a criminal breaks into your house, do you ask him if you should confront him?
NO! You blow his balls off and that’s what we are going to have to do to stop global warming. There’s no nice way to do that. The GOP isn’t going to make nice. We just have to go around them, or thru them or over them to save ourselves. Period.
Keith Olbermann has pointed out that the average age of the person who watches the O’Reilly Factor is an astounding seventy years old. It would not be surprising to find that there are fewer and fewer younger viewers who are being seduced by the demagoguery that passes for intelligent commentary on the other programs on Fox “News”.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:00 pmMississippi
When are we going to change the name of the Mississippi River to an English name. The name bears the name of an native indian tribe.
How about the Gore River?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 pmBiomas is not an answer to the problem of peak oil, and global warming. It requires more energy to convert these substances to a usable form than the energy that is derived from them. The only reason that ethonol appears viable is because of the subsidies the government is giving to the producers.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:04 pmThe destileries that are producing ethonol are run on natural gas. The end result is even more CO2 production than you would have had otherwise.
when the repub’s officially declare war on parody, irony, and cognitive dissonance, i vote for ron as captain
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:06 pmHe is the assman!
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:08 pmThe real answer is to get away from combustion altogether.
Only a truly selfish resident of the north would say hooray for global warming. Is your lower heating bill worth the loss of life and homes down south?
And it takes a truly special person to talk about switchgrass fuel. Maybe that’s how Bush plans to power his spaceship to Mars? Can you picture him making vroom vroom noises as he plots NASA’s new course?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:09 pmHey Ron, got any brilliant excuses for the destruction and subsequent healing of the ozone layer? Remember how we humans used this thing called “science” to determine that human activities and chemicals were causing the ozone layer’s depletion?
So we took action, eliminating the CFCs that were causing the problem. But it must have been Jesus intervening, or maybe the earth goes through cycles of ozone depletion that had nothing to do with proven science.
Why is it Republicans are so damn adamant when it comes to playing it safe with borders, national security, and terrorism (at least, rhetorically), but playing it safe with the environment is dirty hippie weenie policy?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:12 pmWouldn’t massive hurricanes, intense fires, rising sea levels, and widespread famine caused by global warming hurt our economy than an Al Gore documentary?
Personally, as I live in Florida, 30 miles from the coast, which used to be safe, I think that after every hurricane to strike Florida a lawsuit against the Bush administration should be filed, seeking massive restitution due to the BA ignoring global warming and the killer hurricanes it spawned.
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May 23rd, 2006 at 1:16 pmConservatism has failed America, the Bush WH and the Republican Congress have been able to get everything they have wanted and America is worse off for it.
A real Apollo type program to get America off of fossil fuels would create jobs. Conservatives like Forbes have nothing to offer America but fear of change and fear of progress, which is precisely why conservatism is a failure. The failure of conservatism is bigger than just one man (Bush) or one party (Republicans), it’s a failure of their entire philosophy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:17 pmhttp://www.boston.com/ news/ politics/ president/ articles/ 2006/ 03/ 20/ gore_not_planning_to_run_for_president/
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:20 pmSTEVE FORBES LOOKS LIKE HOWDY DOODY AFTER AN INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:21 pm#79
That’s funny.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:22 pmSounds like Forbes has the DiExxon code. Mo money, mo money, mo money. How much did Katrina cost the U.S.? These corporations, Foxnews, and Forbes have NO allegiance to America. They think they are bigger and independent from America. This is probably why DeLay and friends LOVE the space program … so they can launch themselves out of here when the sh*t hits. Recycling is just for sissies and is a bad business model, right Stevers?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 pmany level-headed, well informed person knows that fighting global warming will REVITALIZE our economy by creating entirely new industries bringing with them new jobs that have to stay in america, new opportunities for entrepreneurs, and new technologies. We would restablish our leadership role in the world. It would give the American people hope and something to unite over. We would no longer have to rely on unstable regions around the world for energy and we would take the power right from under these oppressive governments’ feets (saudi arabia, nigeria, iran, etc.). Oh, AND NOT TO MENTION WE WOULD AVERT THE SINGLE GREATEST THREAT HUMANITY HAS EVER FACED. So why do these righties object??They’re in bed with big oil and coal.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 pmIt’s interesting to see the trolls freak out over this. Apparently Gore’s film is touching a really big nerve. Anytime conservatives / Bush lovers and the radical fringe right doesn’t want to look at something they attack the liberals.
They went nuts over Michael Moore’s movie that did nothing more than point out truthful facts about the Bush administration. You can be sure that these Bush loving trolls will continue to attack this movie even though most of them will refuse to see it.
Man are they brainwashed or what. No wonder liberals are the more creative interesting people. GOP Bush lovers are so limited and contorted they are afraid to take their heads out of the sand and take a look around.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 pmYou have to be kidding me. I mean boy i thought the oil companies had a strangehold on the republican establishment before but this takes the cake. What are these people gonna say when millions of people die because of their failure to rein in global warming. We didn’t want to hurt big business? Profit was more important than people’s lives. How do these people wake up in the morning and look themselves in the eye ?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:25 pmThe biomass used to produce ethanol has byproducts. Those byproducts are used to feed livestock, and, in the end, there is a net gain.
Nobody wants to go back to using horses to pull farm implements. A farmer planted 1/3 of planted acres for feed. Diesel fuel, oils for lubricants, artificial fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides are termed ‘auxillary inputs,’ and are responsible for the increased output in farm production. An unstable agricultural base would mean a dieoff of millions of people in a short period of time.
It is much less trouble to go to the grocery store to buy your flour and tomatoes than it is to plant and harvest those food stuffs yourself.
Either you want to live a modern lifestyle or you want to live on a farm to provide for yourself.
Not many takers there, cities are full of people who would rather not farm.
The choice is obvious.
Ozone concentrations vary in the atmosphere all over the earth. A deep blue sky indicates a high level of ozone.
CFCs are/were a problem. So are airplanes, if they didn’t exist, nobody could bomb defenseless people from an altitude of 50 thousand feet.
Economies work better when the world is at peace. People tend to work more worry-free and, consequently, get more work done. War sucks for the entire world.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:27 pmJust for the record, the US has already fallen way behind Europe in R&D for several key renewable energy technologies. EU companies will dominate the market by the time the US faces the inevitable and starts switching to RE.
However, much as i would prefer gore over bush or forbes, i must take issue with the following statements, which seem to be a little one-sided:
“Forbes is a loser. What more proof do you need than that he can’t get elected with a billion dollars to spend and no criminal record?” - Drew Mackenzie (3)
“Yes, this from Mr. “Flat Tax†Forbes who inherited a fortune from his father and has never had to work a real job a single day in his life - and who moreover was rejected soundly by Republicans as a presidential nominee.” - Jonathon (5)
come on - Al Gore also inherited a huge fortune, and has most likely never worked a real job in a real working environment. Furthermore, he failed to get elected despite the fact that he has no criminal record, and even though the Clinton administration could boast of a huge budget surplus, AND despite the fact that his opponent GWB was a cretinous little chimpanzee. So those aren’t reasons to get all snotty about Forbes, intellectually challenged simian though he, too, may otherwise be.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:28 pmGod forbid we encounter the truth, especially if it might harm big business.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:38 pm[…] You see, according to Fox “News,” Gore’s movie will destroy America’s economy. This was an argument echoed by a caller today on the Thom Hartmann Show. Wow. Green types must be some pretty powerful beasts indeed. They have the power to shut down an entire national economy just by talking about an issue! […]
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:43 pm”We would restablish our leadership role in the world.”
And a whole new round of resentment and animosity towards America.
When are Americans going to learn that the rest of the world counts too?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:43 pm#72 Nice talking points, but these things are not even developed yet. How do you know how much energy it will take to produce them? Can’t we at least try. If we paid the REAL cost of oil, protecting sea lanes, war ect. then we could find out what is competitive.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:45 pmI live three blocks from the ocean and after hearing Gore I’m going to sell out before the water gets to my doorstep. I sure hope someone will still buy it knowing that it will be gone in 5 years. I guess i’ll have to sell real cheap. Screwed again by the rupubs and their shortsightedness. I wonder how big of a loss I will take. I’ve had it for 20 years and it cost 80,000 then. Probably half that now. I am near Hilton Head SC Jeff
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:52 pmWill Gore’s speech destroy the economy? I’m not sure, but I imagine New York City being underwater will not help it a great deal.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 pmUsing natural gas for fuel to make electricity is as dumb as it gets. It is a complete waste of natural gas. Ask Calpine Energy, they went broke burning natural gas to generate electricity.
It is a useless energy policy and is the hallmark of idiocy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 pmI have to hand it to Fox News….for once they are being honest. They just don’t care about the environment or human life when it comes to making money.
Of course, the dishonest part is the positive effect that attempting to fix the problem would have…all of the new jobs created as a result of research and implimentation of more efficient and cleaner energy sources.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:57 pm#72. I’d have an easier time believing you know what you’re talking about if you could spell some of the critical words. Maybe if you provided a link, I wouldn’t care how you spell.
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:01 pmRon Troll,
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmDon’t go away mad, just go away.
No, but they could.
Just think of all the opportunities if we went green. Look what the Internet did for businesses. There might be a little creative destruction, but that is expected in a healthy economy. That is why we have government safety nets to ease the pain for all and smooth the economic transistion.
These guys are just scared, afraid of debate and change, and they want to stay in their status-quo hole for selfish reasons.
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:14 pm#93
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:15 pmI’ll buy your place! Your situation reminds me of a cadillac I bought really cheap because the owner told me it wouldn’t run—turns out it was only out of gas. I wouldn’t mind aquiring a place 3 blocks from the ocean at a huge discount either. I’d feel guilty though because you’re allowing yourself to be spooked by the likes of Gore and environmental whacko’s. Fortunately for you your appraisal won’t be based on the global warming hysteria, so your place will be worth more than your fears are telling you.
I knew Gore was evil, but not that evil. He must want revenge for losing the election– sort of ingenious, really, to plot the downfall of the US economy and come across looking like an environmentalist at the same time. Tricky-tricky…
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:23 pmFor those that think Climate Change is a myth, you can get the straight facts from the U.S. Climate Chnage Science Progeram - the BUSH ADMINISTRATION’S OWN PLOICY AND SCIENCE THAT CLEARLY STATES CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL AND THE RESULTS OF HUMAN ACTIVITY. http://www.climatescience.gov
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:27 pmForbes is a mega businessman in America, now where do you think his interests lie?
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:28 pmFor those who continue to believe that global warming is human caused, you can get straightend out at http://junkscience.com/
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:36 pm#98
Which critical words do you need help with?
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:42 pmGreat freeze frame ;-)
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:54 pmFor those who continue to believe that global warming is human caused,
Comment by Antagonist — May 23, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
It’s not human caused per se - bit it is factually human exaserbated. We’ve amplified it far beyond what Mother Nature had intended. And in the process, we’ve already extended the ‘in between Ice Ages’ period from the usual 1,000 years to 1,200 and counting. Meaning - we’ve upset the system that the planet runs upon. And like most things we meddle into - the ramifications will probably be even more significant that we’ve seen so far.
Now ‘Intelligent’ Design is junk Science. Not the nuances of Global Warming.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:01 pmI live in the great white north. It IS warmer in the winter, so, yes, we are using less energy to keep our houses warm. However, it is much warmer in the summer too, so more and more people are using more power to keep houses cool. (not us, we have been able to tough it out so far). Further north, polar bears are having trouble. They need ice to travel across to find their food and feed their cubs. No ice=no food=no cubs. People in the truely northern communities cannot travel. They depend on ice roads in the winter to get supplies for the warmer months. No ice=no roads=very expensive supplies being flown in. Back to my neck of the woods (lake huron/georgian bay) we are experiencing greater snowfalls because the lakes do not freeze over anymore. No ice= Open water=more precipitation picked up as weather fronts travel accross the open water. The also causes flooding dangers when the snow melts in the spring. We live in a town of about 8000 people, two hours away from any major city/industrial center and yet last summer we experienced 8-10 days of smog alerts, maybe more. Tornado warnings have become a fact of life for us within the past few years.
Global warming/climate change is a serious problem that needs to be acknowledged!!!!!!
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:05 pmSo what they can’t blame on Clinton, they will blame on Gore.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmPerish the thought that any blame rests with the boy-king.
most of these posts are hystericall funny. logic and reason are not strong points for this group.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmCompanies pump tons of toxic mercury into ground water. This mercury makes its way into lakes. Its so bad now I heard one expert claim that you should limit eating tuna to one time a month. So now I’ll probably die of mercury poisoning. That’ll be good for the Insurance, healthcare and pharmaceutical industry. See all the good thid does for the economy?
If the company that pumped all this mercury was forced by law to clean up this crap (as they were under Clinton) that would be an added expense to their bottom line. They might miss their per-share earnings and their stock would rise slighly less (in the short-term) And according to the neo-nuts this would be bad for the economy. God forbid any corporation is held to any level of responsibility.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:23 pmtypo on my previous post. i meant that to read hysterically. sorry.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmI live in a very cold state, colder than Hell itself. In the winter of 1980/81, the temperature hit minus 37 degrees Fahrenheit with a wind chill factor of minus 95 degrees. In the winter of 1997, the thermometer hit minus 42 degrees. In 1961, it was as dry as the thirties with dust hanging in the air night and day and hot.
I have also seen the thermometer hit 108 degrees Fahrenheit in the shade on a hot summer day. There were some Floridians working in my state that year. “This is hot,” they said.
I have been through this before. During the Carbiniferous period when there was unbelievable plant growth on the earth, the CO2 levels were ten times the approximate 345 ppm that it is today. Translated into simple numbers, for every one million cubic feet of atmospheric air, there is 345 cubic feet of CO2. The natural level of CO2 was established in 1895 at 295 ppm. Trees and ocean plankton breathe CO2 and exhaust oxygen. The amount of manmade CO2 is 50 ppm that exists in the atmosphere. You exhale CO2 too.
What are you going to do to stop it? Stop breathing?
Nature has an ebb and flow, flotsam and jetsam, pitch and yaw. It has made some five billion or so trips around the sun, give or take a few million years.
Mankind will go the way of the dinosaurs long before the world comes to an end.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 pmSteve Forbes is living proof that genetics can only give a man so much, character counts for so much more and Mr Forbes has the character of an insecure selfish prick.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:44 pmThere is not idea too venal or stupid for him not to jump behind it because it serves to keep his pocket book fat and flush with cash. He is typical of business republicans who love conservative ideology because it is good for their bottom line, not because they really believe that crap.
He’s an empty suit which probably explains his political failures despite many loving messages from right wing propaganda mills like FOX news and the Washington Times.
#113 - “You exhale CO2″
yeah, and if you inhale nothing but CO2, you’re gonna die.
Has one person on this post said “We gotta stop all CO2 emissions!” Nope.
Reduction doesn’t mean eliminate. Heck, if all emissions of “hot air” were removed, where would we get politicians?
“Mankind will go the way of the dinosaurs long before the world comes to an end.”
Yeah, and we’re going to do it to ourselves. We’re the one animal that craps in their own nest.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmThese right wing clowns are just so unserious when it comes to the problems facing America. Are people starting to get that? That conservatism is a sham ideology, followed by useful idiots and greedy little men who would gladly push women and children out of the way to get onto the lifeboat before the Titantic goes down.
Are American’s begining to see?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmAre the media begining to see?
113
The Carboniferous Period occurred from about 354 to 290 million years ago during the late Paleozoic Era. I’m pretty sure humans weren’t around just yet, so the fact that it occurred before we even existed doesn’t help your case much. We are talking about how global warming effects Humans and vice versa afterall.
Just because the planet was also once a giant sphere of lava doesn’t make that an ideal state for our fragile existence. Like you said, the earth works in cycles, but don’t you think that perhaps that is because it has its own balancing act to take care of, and if we unaturally add our waste into that equation, don’t you think it will have some effect? 1 degree doesn’t sound like much, but when you look at what that change would do to the system as a whole, it makes a HUGE difference.
Breathing out CO2 is accounted for by our planet’s system. A billion cars breathing it out is not.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:58 pm#100, you were right! The realtor told me my house by the beach has actually gone way up in value. Thank earth that there are some stupid republicans that want to blow their money on property that will be undewater in a few years. I’m getting out before they wise up! Jeff
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May 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 pm118.
You might even want to hold out for a couple of years until its actual “beach front” property, then you could get even more.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:03 pmASMAN Askes: “If people buy into his global warming hysteria, will it put him in the White House and our economy on the skids”
Well seeing how voters bought into the “sky is falling b/c of terrorist Osama Bin Laden” hysteria, and elected Moron, I mean President Bush, and seeing that putting him in the White House has brought us to the highest deficit in US history, thus sending our economy on the skids….
….I think Asman the answer is yes.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:04 pmWhy is it so hard for people to understand that it isn’t a matter of people being “ignorant” or “idiots”, but that when there is an opportunity for power and profit, there are some people who will say anything at all in order to improve their chances of getting/keeping that power and profit?
Stop viewing it as an issue of “why don’t they understand”, and instead view it as an issue of “what do they have to gain by saying this?”
Note: “they” means ANYBODY ANYWHERE ABOUT ANYTHING.
Trust me. You’ll all be much better off.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:05 pmLemme see here, um, ah, it was Teddy Roosevelt who was a conservationist, was he not?
He was also called the ‘trust-buster.’ He reigned in corporate greed. He was also a rock-ribbed Republican, not the phony baloney kind that exists today.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:08 pmFox’s gasbag is doing the Rove thing.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:19 pmAccuse the other guy of whatever you are knee deep in.
Bush’s policies are doing an efficient job of undermining the economy all by themselve.
The effects of global, if ignored or exacerbated (Bush is doing both) will destroy the economy and a lot more.
There will be massive dislocation, people will starve and major urban centers will be under water and infrastructure like ports and coastal energy facilities will be destroyed.
The rationale behind this soviet style propaganda is unbelievably shallow and cheap.
They want the corporate bad actors to keep help them in power.
I think a congressional investigation of FOX is in order. Using the public airwaves to deliberately mislead and mis-inform can’t be legal.
CDW
# 104 Junkscience.com is junk science.
I read through and almost fell out of the chair laughing at this right wing crap!
Trying to disprove global warming by plotting the temperature in Central England.
OMG what idiots!
Never try to prove or disprove climate change based on a specific location getting hotter or colder. It’s just not anywhere near that simple
Read peer reviewed studies on climate change.
A scentist or 2 paid off by Exxon is all that it takes for so many to fall for this right wing crap
I don’t think the human race will ever amount to much.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:25 pmFossil fuels are the source of most of the wealth of the last few centuries. Now that the oil is half gone, and will be gone in 10 decades or so, the economy and wealth that we take for granted will also be depleted. There is no equivilent source of cheap wealth that will replace what oil has been. The ruling elite that compete for wealth and geopolitical dominance are unwilling, refusing, will do whatever it takes, to prevent converting from the current economic order to a new one, until every last dollar is wrung from the soil. Global warming is the inconvenient trim tab on the rudder that threatens to turn the great ship of economy to a different course without consent of the greedy ruling elite. THERE IS NO ONE OF STATURE IN THIS COUNTRY EXCEPT AL GORE WHO HAS TAKEN THE POSITION THAT THE NATION MUST BEGIN THE TRANSITION NOW!! So they will do everything they can to squash him.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:28 pm#68- “Global warming will reduce energy consumption.” Well, how about that!?! Why don’t you get back to us in the Fall, after a nice, hotter than usual summer? It takes alot of energy to power all the air conditioners that will be used, to hopefully prevent heat stroke. And all of those SUV’s will be cranking the A/C on full blast. This will add to the problem, not reduce it. Last summer, a record setting string of hightemperatures in Europe caused the deaths of hundreds of people. In the southern states of our own country, the record high temperatures killed hundreds of people as well. Homeless Americans were dying of THIRST!!! This will become commonplace, should global warming continue apace. Are you ok with that?
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:37 pm#125 junkscience.com is not junk science, in fact it isn’t any kind of science. Calling that site junk science would be too kind. It’s just another politically motivated think tank.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmMaybe his name is being spelt wrong. The left of a S right there between the A and S :)
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:06 pmten bucks says forbes’s eyes never blinked during the interview. not even once.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:11 pmIt may come as a surprise to some here, but science does not beget nature. Science is merely a tool to study nature. Science is often wrong too.
A dog can sniff out a tumor growing inside of a human body better than applied medical science is capable of doing. With all of its high and mighty knowledge, it doesn’t hold a candle to a dogs keen sense of smell.
Al Gore does NOT own shares of Occidental Petroleum.
The Democrats, if they can salvage their party, need new leaders. Hillary Clinton and Al Gore are washed up.
The ‘Republicans’ need to be smote by the voting public.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:16 pm… a dog’s keen sense of smell.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmThis issues is all about redistribution of the wealth. This is to say that cleaning up the environment would take money from the corporations and put it into the hands of small inventors and small business men who will supply the solutions, providing job growth and stimulating the economy. Oh wait, that sounds like a good thing.
The current administration, and a certain democrat running for reelection in the senate and looking forward to a presidential bid in 2008, are totally beholding to those corporations that will have to give up some of the pie. As long as they hold the power, nothing will change.
As I see it, Al Gore is the only person that can help us take America back from extremists who will lie, steal and cheat to keep it.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:27 pmi really don’t see how anyone can consider fox a real news channel
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:37 pm#125 & #128
I checked out Real Inconvenient Truth on junkscience and found it….interesting.
Two things that caught my attention. The author of the article said that it was incorrect to refer to the earth’s atmosphere as a greenhouse, yet goes on to use just that terminology. He explains why the earth has a temperature of 59 degrees, instead of 0 degrees that it would have with an atmosphere and clouds but without the greenhouse effect.
Next, he states that most people are incorrect in saying that the so-called greenhouse gases trap heat in the atmosphere, saying that using the word “trap” infers it is held in the atmosphere forever. He says instead that the gases “delay” the heat’s escape into space. Gee…I wonder what that heat is doing to the air while it’s hanging around waiting to escape?
I didn’t read the entire article, but I wonder what he thinks about the millions of cars on the planet that, while being driven, are heating the air taken in by the engine and expelling it at a temperature of over 100 degrees? How about the air around the car being heated to a higher temperature by heat radiating from the cooling system, engine block, and exhaust system? How about the homes and businesses that trap heat during the summer which is then pumped outside by air conditioners?
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:56 pmGlobal warming agenda… it will “ice” the economy. Good pun. A documentary has the power to destroy our economy? Jeepers! But GWB keeps telling us how “strong” our economy is, and that it is only getting stronger, so which is it? Should I ‘believe’ Steve Forbes, or the ‘Decider’? Golly.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:59 pmI don’t see why any of you are surprised. Ever watch Faux on weekends, preferably Saturday morning on those stock shows like Forbes on Faux? The taglines they show on the bottom of the screen during those are even more evil and dreadful such as “Do Democrats want the economy to tank and hurt the United States”? or “Are Liberals siding with the terrorists by going against the NSA Wiretapping Program”? or “Why a Democratic victory in November means higher taxes for you, a recession and stock market crash” or “Democratic win in November = America’s loss?”…yes, these are all real..and these are just some examples.. there are much worse.
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:57 pmI’m going to save the economy by making a movie which encourages people to pollute without regard for long-term consequences.
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:46 pmjunkscience.com is a waste of time. The assertions are so easily debunked, yet anyone who disputes any of this guy’s claims is immediately attacked as some kind of liberal in cahoots with the academic commie blah blah blah.
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:49 pmWhat will it take for these idiots to see that Global Warming is a real issue. Even if it wasn’t, don’t you think it’s worth looking in to? Hmmm.. What if they’re right, those liberal hippies, maybe we could afford to put in to place a few policies to ensure the Global Warming slows down. Oh, i forgot, all our money is being spent on that “winning” situation in Iraq! Maybe some of you right wing idiots out there should watch a little less Fux News and a little more Discovery channel.
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:56 pmHey Badmoodman,
May 23rd, 2006 at 8:47 pmYes, natural disasters can be good for Wall Street. Our Gross Domestic Product (GDP) might have gone up after Katrina. Sure a lot of people were out of jobs, but look at all the new building! A number of people have criticised the concept of the GDP for reflecting the wealth of a country for just this reason.
Regardless of the magnitude of the disaster, EVEN when it is still unfolding, within 5 minutes, Fox News has their calculators and predicting the financial costs. It’s habitual and it’s sick.
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May 23rd, 2006 at 8:50 pmOlbermann pick Assman as one of the worst persons in the world tonight.
By the way, how’s about we change David’s first name to Dick? What would you call him?
DICK ASSMAN!
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAAHAHA!
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:07 pmbasically, economic disaster has always been the last refuge against ANY environmental argument.
republican cheat sheet:
1) any argument against “the war” can be refuted in the following ways-
a) accuse the person of having a “pre-9/11 mentality”
b) ask, “would you rather fight them over there or over here?”
c) if all else fails, they must hate america. be sure to inform the rnc of this terrorist threat.
2) any argument about the environment or “global warming” -
“there will be inevitable economic disaster should the eco-terrorists like al gore be allowed to enforce their will.” remember - ENVIRONMENTALISTS WANT ECONOMIC DISASTER!
3) any argument against administration or republican economic policies -
“actually, the economy is strong, but the liberal media refuse to report the success of bush’s tax cuts.”
4) any argument against the “terrorist surveillance plan” -
“if you’re not a terrorist, you should have nothing to hide and no reason to fear the nsa doing its job to protect our national security”
5) remember, when all else fails, BLAME CLINTON. we’ve used this effectively for 13 years and expect to be able to continue for at least another decade. god bless bill clinton (the despicable sinner), he really is the gift that keeps on giving for republicans.
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:48 pmDon’t we ever learn the lesson? This is classic right wing propaganda. “If this happens, that will result”. Simple. Anybody with a third grade education can grasp the concept. Makes a good story around the water cooler. You can remember it even after 7 or 8 Lone Stars.
Why can’t us progressives ever tell the TRUE stories with such utter SIMPLICITY?
THAT’S what gets votes.
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:13 pmIt really is true that reapeating something enough times becomes the truth in the mind. I was at a 3 day seminar on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, the same techniques which I was taught to help people, are used by salespeople and politicians for other reasons.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:40 amA quick string-search of this thread showed that realclimate.org hasn’t been mentioned yet, so I thought I’d mention it. Realclimate.org is a great web-site for global-warming “fence-sitters” — it is run by a dozen (or so) professional climate scientists, several of whom enjoy international stature. It’s not such a great web-site for wingnuts, though, because it places some non-negligable demands on one’s grey-matter (a scarce commodity in wingnutville).
May 24th, 2006 at 1:28 amGood for you, Ron. Get ready for vastly increased energy useage this summer, far and away greater than any “savings” you experienced last winter.
Ying and Yang. Connectivity. Get used to it, troll.
May 24th, 2006 at 7:49 amyes, these are all real..and these are just some examples.. there are much worse.
Comment by Nash #137
Nash,
I agree 1000%…
…the Democrat progressive/liberals don’t seem to realize that YES we are in a war…
…a political CIVIL WAR with right wing inbred TRAITORS…
…Fox is the propaganda network that is employed by the criminal bushite junta to…
…incite their ignorant, racist, bigoted, murderous base…
…progressive/liberals would do well to “prepare” for what may escalate- from an ideological war of words- into more serious confrontations with right wing scumbag Bushite TRAITORS…
…the Fox Propaganda network must be brought to its knees…
…Roger Ailes, Murdoch and the whole Fox TREASONOUS network are DANGEROUSLY provocative (on purpose), and must be held in check at first- then accountable once our government is restored…
Progressive liberals MUST UNDERSTAND that America is currently under occupation…
May 24th, 2006 at 9:25 amWe should demand that the fcc shutdown fox now before more damage can be done! Then get Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage thrown into prison or a place of education to give them some sense.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:31 am#152
Censorship demanded by the most ignorant among us?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:43 am#146
Remember when it comes to fighting terrorism, Clinton was the poster child of ineffectiveness. Considering Hilary, who WILL get the Democratic nominination in 2007 BTW, is a clone of Bill, it will be a gift the will continue to give. Maybe the DNC will have her have an accident like Web Hubbell.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:52 am