Fox News: ‘Al Gore’s Global Warming Movie: Could It Destroy Our Economy?’
Fox News: ‘Al Gore’s Global Warming Movie: Could It Destroy Our Economy?’
This weekend on Fox News, host David Asman asked his guests to discuss the following question: “If people buy into [Al Gore's] global warming hysteria, will it put him in the White House and our economy on the skids?” Steve Forbes answered yes, and called Gore’s new movie “a real recipe for more socialist regulation.”
For what it’s worth, the Apollo Alliance, a coalition of labor and environmental groups, has developed a plan to “develop alternative fuels, increase energy efficiency, rebuild and expand public transportation networks and come up with other initiatives to reduce fossil fuel use” that would create more than three million jobs in the process.
Full transcript:
ASMAN: Al Gore’s new documentary, An inconvenient Truth, it hits the theaters this week. If people buy into his global warming hysteria, will it put him in the White House and our economy on the skids? Steve, first off, is it gonna get him in the White House?
FORBES: No, if he believes that’s gonna get him in the White House, he needs to rub on something stronger than this sunscreen.
ASMAN: Alright, but if his global warming agenda somehow gets mixed up into our agenda, the national agenda, what’ll it do to the economy?
FORBES: It will ice the economy. And after all, some people do believe the DiVinci Code, so some will believe the DiGore Code. [Laughter] But the fact of the matter is, the policies that result from it would hurt the economy, would create unemployment. It’s a real recipe for more socialist regulation.
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KILL YOUR TEEVEE!!!
Honest to goodness, it’s the best thing anyone here in Murka can do.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:35 amTypical FOX wingnuttery. It’s not about the future of civilization, it’s about how much money they can make.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:40 amForbes is a loser. What more proof do you need than that he can’t get elected with a billion dollars to spend and no criminal record?
Hmm. Maybe it has to do with his resemblance to Skeletor…
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:42 amPreznit – I haven’t had TV for two years now, and I am so much more informed than those that do. Amazing, really. I have seen pictures of the war in Iraq…the problem is those that never will.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:43 amSo Steve Forbes thinks that Gore’s film is nothing more than a campaign ad? Yes, this from Mr. “Flat Tax” Forbes who inherited a fortune from his father and has never had to work a real job a single day in his life – and who moreover was rejected soundly by Republicans as a presidential nominee.
A “recipe for … socialist regulation”? Well, YEAH! But how/why is that a problem? The US needs to regulate businesses much more strongly than we do at present. A little dose of some good-old socialist regulation would be exactly what our economy needs.
All this noise about how responsible regulations on businesses will kill the economy is just that – noise. What is really at issue is that some people, such as Steve Forbes who make a living off of investments, etc., will make less of a profit if businesses have to spend more to conform to regulations. I believe quite confidently that the American people can invent ourselves out of this dependence on fossil fuels and can create many, many more new jobs in the process than private and corporate efforts can on their own. We need to push for more technology and better answers to our fuel needs than by what we are doing now.
So, long term gains for the environment and the economy are passed over for short term gains in the corporate bottom line. Same news, different day in America.
PS: I hope like crazy that Gore will run in 2008. We need Gore now more than ever, and after eight years of Dubya & Dick we will need a man with Gore’s vision and experience to pull us out of the economic and political chaos that the Bushies will leave behind.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:43 amALL HAIL THE FOX NEWS QUESTION-MARK HEADLINE!!!!
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 amIs Al Gore running for president again?
Is Sears having a sale? Is JC Penney having a sale?
Is Walmart having a sale?
Goodness gracious, Al Gore needs to give it a rest.
Maybe the alleged communist Dennis Kucinich would be a good president.
Yes, the world is warming. Is the US at fault?
I really don’t think so. That is what you call a ‘conflation.’
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 amThe neocons fear Gore – that means that we need to re-elect him in 2008!
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 amCOULD DIE HARD 4 DESTORY OUR PET CATS?
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:47 amthe transcript doesn’t show the follow-up question:
“and if the movie destroys the environment, can the blame be made retroactive to include the past year or two?”
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:48 ammy compliments to whoever is doing the screen grabs for these posts. this one and the oreilly one are great.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:49 amIt really blows my mind when ignoramuses tag peacemakers as being communists.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:50 amAsman? That’s not really his name, is it? Geeze…
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:53 amBut the fact of the matter is, the policies that result from it would hurt the economy, would create unemployment.
I am so sick of this GOP meme. The reality is that environmental protection and regulation actually creates jobs. I think their problem is that it destroys low paying jobs and creates higher paying jobs which would mean their corporate masters might have a smaller bottom line.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 amThe fact that Capitalism rules over all in their mentality infuriates me.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:55 amOh god, CAPTION CONTEST!
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:55 amNo matter, we’ll just make a movie called “State of Fear” which will be Fair and Balanced[tm] and follow it up with “Charlie and the Tax Cut Factory” and “Republicans of the Carribean” and “Dr Norquist: How I learned to stop worrying and love the debt” (you’ll like that one, Grover rides on top of a bathtub drowning the government shouting yee-haw) that will surely save our economy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 amBushinista’s favorite global warming canard: that mandatory curbs on fossil fuel pollution will “cripple the U.S. economy.†WELL, WHAT DO THEY THINK GLOBAL WARMING WILL DO TO THE ECONOMY!?!? I wish there was an even bolder bold on this computer to emphasize how insane this logic is. Non-stop flooding, killer heat waves, energy and food shortages: what will these do to the economy? Will it be good for Wall Street when millions of people are displaced from coastal cities?
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 amThank you, Ass man, for this hard-hitting smear job!
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 amLike Al Gore would even want to move into the White House anymore………
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 amHe’s doing a far greater good at the moment than he ever could as a resident of that vipers nest……
The tone of mockery these media talking heads use, and as well Dubious’ mocking tone yesterday on this issue; only reveals the extent of their disdain for the American citizenry, the Republic, and our Constitution.
They mock US:
they have gotten away with an illegal election, an illegal invasion, illegal domestic espionage, and as you all know the list goes on………
and now they are so arrogant they believe they can stand on stage and mock US to our faces and tell US they will continue to spit in our faces and trample the constitution into the manure of their machinations…..
And, oh, Mr. O’Railee, I am proud to be a part of any collection of voices who calls you on your sh!t
I think Gore’s struck a nerve here. Good for him.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:58 amYes, the world is warming. Is the US at fault?
I really don’t think so. That is what you call a ‘conflation.’
Comment by Ron — May 23, 2006 @ 11:44 am
Wow, Ron. Pretty tough to refute that fact-filled, scientifically peer-reviewed analysis of global climate change and its relationship to human activity.
I feel so much better now with your rigorous analysis of the situation.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:00 pmWow, the wingnuts sure are scared of Gore. They’re so funny.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:01 pmI would vote for Dennis Kucinich. Don’t misinterpret my purport, I said alleged. Dennis Kucinich is a good man. A communist he isn’t.
Where is Unicor these days?
The ‘illegal’ immigrants will be employed. They will also wish they were back in Mexico.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:03 pm“It will ice the economy. And after all, some people do believe the DiVinci Code”
Is this the same voting public who believed invading Iraq would be a smart thing to do? No wonder they’re worried!
Never fear, the CEI can always air more commercials showing glaciers putting themselves back together. I’m wearing my “got carbon?” t-shirt right now!
Mmmmm… CO2… greenhouselicious…
Bwahaha…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:03 pm*Newsflash*
Max Headrum has been upgraded to lead the Fox News Network. In 30 years there will be no need to fear the shortage of 30-35 year olds since his prototype is succeeding well in place of the oft-error prone human that has difficulty handling the overload of electromagnetic currents that are trapped inside the greenhouse gas umbrella. Let the planet burn, the economy will move along jus fine.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 pmWe need the dude from V for Vendetta to go kick some ass at FOX HQ like he did in the movie
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:08 pmComment by foxbot #17
GREAT titles foxbot…
…as for this topic…
…you mean there are human beings who actually STILL watch the Bushite-controlled Fox Propaganda Networks?
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:09 pmCaption contest:
Asman: “Al Gore’s new documentary, An inconvenient Truth, it hits the theaters this week. If people buy…..excuse me….just a minute. My producer is talking to me through my earpiece. What? No. He is? Everybody run! Al Gore just walked in! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!”
(Screen capture caught just as he is screaming)
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 pmOh my God, Fox News is putrid evil. They are the Death Star headquarters…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmWow. It’s amazing how Fox injects its mindless propaganda and talking points into everything so that millions of unsuspecting folks will find themselves spouting this garbage at the dinner table, at work, wherever.
It’s ingenius on an insidious level. It seeps into many conversations and belief systems. Even if the idea is outrageous, it finds its home into so many minds and out so many mouths.
But it’s also stomach turning for folks who think…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmOk. I admit it. It’s wasn’t really a caption. More of an alternate transcript. Can we have those types of contests too?
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmYes you right wing nuts be afraid.. But be afraid of the future your greed politics have created. Al is one of the very few that can save the future for you and your children.. Wake Up you sleeping fools.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:15 pmNext they’ll be telling people that seeing the movie will give them herpes or AIDS. Sheesh. The lies just get more and more insane with FAUX.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:19 pmIt’s funny how the global warming agenda has iced the economy of the European Union. Protecting the environment and having a good economy is not an either, or proposition.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmDumbya has done plenty to destroy the US economy, rewarding corporations for sending our jobs overseas, corporate welfare, 6 billion a month in Iraq, looting the tresury for his cronies; he doesn’t need any help from the ‘global warming agenda.’
Not importing oil would hurt us. How’s that?
New lows on Faux. they should stick to aruba and chain fences.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:23 pmWHAT DO THEY THINK GLOBAL WARMING WILL DO TO THE ECONOMY!?!?
Comment by Badmoodman — May 23, 2006 @ 11:57 am
Exactly!!! It’s just like fitting planes with metal cockpit doors… WAY TOO COSTLY… that was until 911… not fitting all planes with a couple million dollars worth of doors cost us trillions.
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure… plus it’s a shit load cheaper!
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:23 pmWow! Looks like David Asman is ready for his daily Talking Points DownLOAD.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 pm.
So using your brain to solve problems like scientists and engineers have done to build this world we have today is going to hurt our economy?
So says the stupid man in a suit trying to pawn himself off as an intellect.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmWho needs stinking engineers anyway. There should have been alternative fuel to oil based products years ago. Stupid is as stupid does and America is damn stupid right now. So much for more efficient generation of energy. Oil is a pathetic waste of energy that generates more heat and waste than providing usable energy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:26 pm#5 – I was just about to say the same thing about “a real recipe for more socialist regulation.” That sounds like a dream to me! We need more regulation. All the deregulation that has happened in the past few decades has driven up costs for consumers, ruined the environment, and made the megarich much richer and more elite.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pm#32 – Ok. I admit it. It’s wasn’t really a caption. More of an alternate transcript. Can we have those types of contests too?
Comment by WC
Yes! Please!
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 pmGreat alt transcript, WC!
Disney has really done it now.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 pmThere is no question that there will be transition costs. However, numerous studies suggest more jobs from a “new economy” based upon decentralized and renewable energy sources (wind, photovoltaic, biomass fuels, etc.). Big Energy is not exactly eager to loosen the grips, and hence they love to fuel the hysteria about the danger to the economy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmI’m sorry. I missed the substance of Forbes argument. Evidence? Logic? Is global warming not happening? Not important? Or is the flooding of coastal cities acceptable because preventing it would be bad for the economy?
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmin somewhat related news, has anyone else caught the spin-friendly “fewer hurricanes expected in 2006″ headline.
please keep in mind:
that there was the category-3 hurricane named ‘beta’ because the used up the alphabetical storm names; and that ‘hurricane epsilon’ that developed in DECEMBER of last year.
another hurricane season like 2005 has a better chance of destroying the economy than any movie ever will…
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmI believe the CEO of Shell Corp was being interviewed by Couric this morning as I was skipping around on the MSM and caught the view point of this CEO . He also said Gobal warming was threating our World and he was in partnership with the Gov of California to develop alternate fuel to stop Gobal Warming.
Fox would be supported if the bush/cheny W.H. was the first out of the “Barn” on this but……
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmRemember the campaign leading up to the 2000 election? Remember Chimpy’s mantra: “The economy is slowing down… the economy is slowing down.” And whaddya know! The economy slowed down. How can the truth like global warming hurt the economy? It might even spur new growth segments.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:32 pmEver heard of an ice age? Then the world warmed, independent of human activity, did it not?
Climates wax and wane. There are outcroppings of rock in the Atlantic which provides evidence that the ocean’s level was some four hundred feet higher than it is today. The little tiny teensy weensy bit of human activity don’t mean squat, it pales in comparison to what the earth is capable of doing all on its own.
Greenland once was home to Norwegian farmers. It was better weather than Norway there in Greenland.
“For the first century or so of their Greenland colonization, the Vikings and their descendants enjoyed a reasonably prosperous and pleasant life there. Greenland’s climate c. 1000 A.D. was in an extraordinarily warm phase, and the name Eric chose for his new land may not have been quite the real-estate promoter’s con-job as has been assumed. Even 350 years later, after a general global cooling had altered Greenland’s climate for the worse, Ivar Bardson wrote that “On the mountains and lower down grow the best of fruits, as big as apples and good to eat. There also grows the best wheat that exists.” Life in Greenland was hardly the rough outpost existence we might expect….
However by 1200, climatic change allowed the arctic ice pack to creep farther southward, making navigation in Greenland waters increasingly hazardous — even in summer. Ships came now only sporadically, and some years none called at all. In 1261, the Greenlanders felt obliged to accept union with Norway and subjection to the Norwegian crown, in return for which two ships would be sent per year. This effectively shut the Hansa markets off from Greenland trade, and sometimes even the promised Norwegian vessels didn’t make it through the ice. The colonies’ decline accelerated.”
http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb4g1bv.html
Seems as though the evidence refutes the claims of modern day ’scientists’. oh well
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:34 pmdoes anyone recall the fux news team the night of the last election? they thought their chimp was going to lose at about 8 Pacific time, and started saying all kinds of crazy things. This sounds like the same sort of rant. When you have entertainers pretending to be newsies, they say and do things that are dead giveaways of what is troubling them. they know gore is the only candidate that could win, and the people that personally pay them to say nice things about poisons they sell want them to counter the message. as the world warms more during this year, and we see more results that prove any thing of what mr. gore has brought to their attention, they know that they will have major problems. Their benefactors won’t be able to pay them the big bucks any more, their role will be reduced to that of the preacher, (lower form of life than a lawyer) and they will have only the choir to address
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:36 pmwhy don’t we stop treating these folks as news, and just simply show them as the entertainers that they are, it would do oodles for their credibility. it would get them off the nations back
Good to know that, even when fossil fuels become scarce, we will always have an endless supply of toxic, flame-emitting gasbags on Fox News.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:37 pmWow! Great screen cap.
Caption Contest:
“I can eat that puppy in one bite.”
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:38 pmso ron, I guess its okay to keep burning coal, using fossil fuels, cutting down forests, etc….
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:39 pmDeregulation = monopolization
The facts speak for themselves. Corporate ownership of the airwaves, financial institutions, aviation, high tech, big oil, big pharma… have led us to the most corrupt government and companies that support it ever It has destroyed competition, let alone fair competition. Accounting is little more than a bad joke. Companies sell product to each other to drive up the appearance of demand. The rules that these corporations come up with become law (down to individual companies), allowing the creation of equity out of thin air, discouraging small business and when small business does succeed, they get swallowed up unless they are useful to turn into another predatory monopoly to fill a niche.
Trust are what got these anti-monopoly laws on the books in the first place. The US has taken a giant step back to the late 1800s to the golden time of big trusts and monopoly powers. Local business have been slaughtered and a homogenous group think set of companies have taken their place. Local news, entertainment and information is worthless as they too are owned by conglomerates that have no interest in the city or township, but just the money they can earn. Corporations by nature as sociopaths.
On energy alone the US is far behind China and Brazil in using technology to reduce dependence on oil. I’ve talked with sales execs from Kyocera and BP and both are stunned at the pure stupidity of the US consumer, government and corporations that don’t include renewables in the creation of new and upgrading of old infrastructure. Ethanol from corn is so energy intensive to make that it doesn’t solve anything but make more jobs (Brazil uses sugar cane).
Waiting for Adam Smith’s invisible hand will be as long a wait as the second coming of Jesus by christian zionists. There is no competition as the SEC made sure of that. Deregulation has created monopolies and oligopolies, precisely the opposite effect of what the SEC was created for. The FCC is another division of our government that hasn’t been worth a tinkers damn.
Technology is available, but even the Apollo Alliance is a dead cow that sucks in cash and has done nothing but generate doctored numbers from the states to meet what is supposed to be energy savings. Today’s technology and energy efficient amplification, low power/high torque motors, wide spread light weight composites and metal alloys…should have cut the cost of the average home appliance and HVAC system by up to 85% from what was available just 10 years ago. I see nothing on the horizon from any major manufacturer at the trade shows that suggest that we can expect the application of new energy saving technologies in the future. Once again, without real competition, the consumer can expect planned obsolescence and technology moving at a snail’s pace for products in the home.
Finally, the Americans persist in thinking that oil is endless and will not buy efficient cars and trucks in quantity. None of the American car makers create diesel or hybrid engines. They have to purchase them from other companies in Japan or Europe. The likelihood of hydrogen fuel cell cars is almost nil as there are no companies that are willing to put money into a distribution system. If it wasn’t for our representative government (when it was a representative government), there would be no internet, world wide web, interstate transportation system, satellite telecommunications system, landline communication system, clean tap water available to all, clean air, safe foods & medications, electricity and safe and equitable distribution, … Corporations have never been able to create and implement anything on the scale of what is necessary to cover the entire country and it would be nuts to think that they could or even should.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:42 pmGolbal Warming and inconsistency at fox news. (no surprise) During his special on global warming Asman touted the gasfication of two coal burning plants in the US as a progressive approach to the problem of air pollution. Then while critquing the economic viability of the kyoto accords in another news story Fox utilized Spains problems with meeting the Kyoto Standards and cited the extreme costs of gasification of its coal plants as being non-viable economically. Following this tortured path of logic at fox news I can by inference assume that FOX is not in favor of its own representation of a progressive approach to the problem of air pollution by hundreds of coal plants in the US. I find fox enjoyable for its entertainment value and its contortions as witnessed by Asmans and Oreillys facial expressions.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 pmBottom line is this: If we power the kind of civilization we want with atmospheric reactions (i.e. combustion) we will change the atmosphere.
Ron’s factless retort notwithstanding, it is possible to calculate the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere and compare natural levels with human output. If we want the bring whole world up to our standard of living (which would be great unless you’re a xenophobe) those numbers don’t look good.
Sooner or later head-in-the sand-conservatives are going to have to drop this “We can’t possibly have the power to affect our environment” line of argument.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:45 pmThe national assn of manufacturers and the CEO summits should be eliminated to bring back some form of real competition. Whoever says these people don’t get together are full of crap. Collusion should be punished to the full extent of the law.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 pmDavid Ass-man.
Another overpaid Fox News propaganda flunkie.
-GSD
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:47 pmSometime, if you can, visit northern British Columbia. It will dawn on you that there is actually an inexhaustible supply of forest in northern Canada. When lightening strikes, nobody will be there to put out the fire. It is too far away to organize the manpower to fight a forest fire up there. When you drive along the Alaska Highway during the months of July and August, you see fires burning and evidence of a fire that extinguished itself. You also realize that there are trees as far as the eye can see; all virgin forest. It doesn’t stop.
However, I am against the deforestation of the Amazon forest biome. That process is a glacier in the making.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 pmron – I live in the Pacific Northwest, and I SEE what global warming is doing to our CEDAR TREES!
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmthose who would like to manufacture a false debate on this subject can point to the ‘medieval warm period’ all they want, but those people are guilty of having a ‘pre–Industrial Revolution mindset’
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmSometimes I wonder if paying attention to Fox only encourages them ….. like bad behavior in a child? Are they not really a joke as far as journalism and proper research are concerned?
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:53 pmI hear someone is making a documentary about Fox News. It’s called,
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:54 pm‘Dr. Strangenews or: How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love Misinformation.’ As you can guess, it stars the usual cast of idiots.
as for the argument about forest fires through lightening strikes, that you got right. Historically that is nature’s way of clearing. I learned that in the great forests of the California Sequoias.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:55 pmThese Fox nimrods know what any of us who have paid attention to economics know. We are headed for a MASSIVE crash, so it’s time for them to pick a scapegoat. I just didn’t think it would be this laughable.
An Inconvenient Truth will be the surprise hit of the summer. My words, mark ‘em! Fox News, good luck trying to keep people out of the air-conditioned theatres.
The Bush Legacy will be defined by Hurricane Katrina, but also by being so painfully inept and stupid that they helped make a documentary about global warming starring Al Gore into a smash hit.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:55 pmA much pettier observation: “The DiGore Code”? Goodness. I can’t recall a more forced unfunny attempt to conflate the hot topics of the day. Did Forbes manage to work in any Barry Bonds or American Idol references as the interview continued? I can only imagine the forced, hollow, nervous laughter that followed that zinger.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:56 pm“First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.” – Gandhi
Looks like we’ve finally moved to step 3.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmIt is, indeed, a rock and a hard place. The cedar trees in the PNW were cut down and shipped to build the levees along the Missippi River near New Orleans a hundred years ago or so. New cedars grow in there place. Oregon is a patchwork of commercial foresting. So is Washington State. Where cedars once stood tall, there are oodles of stumps in there place.
A warmer planet means increased carrying capacity for human existence. I reduced my total natural gas consumption this winter by about 1/3.
Global warming will reduce energy consumption.
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 pmShills for the oil companies, that’s all. Same old rhetoric pops up anytime someone brings up global warming. Remember, the GOP is a marriage of convenience between the conservative Christians (some of whom would rejoice if the world “ends” for humans), the rich (who only care about the money they can make), the corporations (ditto), and the bigots (who think only the poor non-white folk will suffer).
May 23rd, 2006 at 12:58 pmThey will cover up, obfiscate, lie right in your face. It takes maturity to not pay any attention to their crap and find out the truth. And yes, it will make you angry. And yes, it may make Gore president, but don’t hold your breath for Fox or the GOP or their West Wing arm to agree.
If a criminal breaks into your house, do you ask him if you should confront him?
NO! You blow his balls off and that’s what we are going to have to do to stop global warming. There’s no nice way to do that. The GOP isn’t going to make nice. We just have to go around them, or thru them or over them to save ourselves. Period.
Keith Olbermann has pointed out that the average age of the person who watches the O’Reilly Factor is an astounding seventy years old. It would not be surprising to find that there are fewer and fewer younger viewers who are being seduced by the demagoguery that passes for intelligent commentary on the other programs on Fox “News”.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:00 pmMississippi
When are we going to change the name of the Mississippi River to an English name. The name bears the name of an native indian tribe.
How about the Gore River?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 pmBiomas is not an answer to the problem of peak oil, and global warming. It requires more energy to convert these substances to a usable form than the energy that is derived from them. The only reason that ethonol appears viable is because of the subsidies the government is giving to the producers.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:04 pmThe destileries that are producing ethonol are run on natural gas. The end result is even more CO2 production than you would have had otherwise.
when the repub’s officially declare war on parody, irony, and cognitive dissonance, i vote for ron as captain
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:06 pmHe is the assman!
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:08 pmThe real answer is to get away from combustion altogether.
Only a truly selfish resident of the north would say hooray for global warming. Is your lower heating bill worth the loss of life and homes down south?
And it takes a truly special person to talk about switchgrass fuel. Maybe that’s how Bush plans to power his spaceship to Mars? Can you picture him making vroom vroom noises as he plots NASA’s new course?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:09 pmHey Ron, got any brilliant excuses for the destruction and subsequent healing of the ozone layer? Remember how we humans used this thing called “science” to determine that human activities and chemicals were causing the ozone layer’s depletion?
So we took action, eliminating the CFCs that were causing the problem. But it must have been Jesus intervening, or maybe the earth goes through cycles of ozone depletion that had nothing to do with proven science.
Why is it Republicans are so damn adamant when it comes to playing it safe with borders, national security, and terrorism (at least, rhetorically), but playing it safe with the environment is dirty hippie weenie policy?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:12 pmWouldn’t massive hurricanes, intense fires, rising sea levels, and widespread famine caused by global warming hurt our economy than an Al Gore documentary?
Personally, as I live in Florida, 30 miles from the coast, which used to be safe, I think that after every hurricane to strike Florida a lawsuit against the Bush administration should be filed, seeking massive restitution due to the BA ignoring global warming and the killer hurricanes it spawned.
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May 23rd, 2006 at 1:16 pmConservatism has failed America, the Bush WH and the Republican Congress have been able to get everything they have wanted and America is worse off for it.
A real Apollo type program to get America off of fossil fuels would create jobs. Conservatives like Forbes have nothing to offer America but fear of change and fear of progress, which is precisely why conservatism is a failure. The failure of conservatism is bigger than just one man (Bush) or one party (Republicans), it’s a failure of their entire philosophy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:17 pmhttp://www.boston.com/news/politics/president/articles/2006/03/20/gore_not_planning_to_run_for_president/
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:20 pmSTEVE FORBES LOOKS LIKE HOWDY DOODY AFTER AN INDUSTRIAL ACCIDENT.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:21 pm#79
That’s funny.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:22 pmSounds like Forbes has the DiExxon code. Mo money, mo money, mo money. How much did Katrina cost the U.S.? These corporations, Foxnews, and Forbes have NO allegiance to America. They think they are bigger and independent from America. This is probably why DeLay and friends LOVE the space program … so they can launch themselves out of here when the sh*t hits. Recycling is just for sissies and is a bad business model, right Stevers?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 pmany level-headed, well informed person knows that fighting global warming will REVITALIZE our economy by creating entirely new industries bringing with them new jobs that have to stay in america, new opportunities for entrepreneurs, and new technologies. We would restablish our leadership role in the world. It would give the American people hope and something to unite over. We would no longer have to rely on unstable regions around the world for energy and we would take the power right from under these oppressive governments’ feets (saudi arabia, nigeria, iran, etc.). Oh, AND NOT TO MENTION WE WOULD AVERT THE SINGLE GREATEST THREAT HUMANITY HAS EVER FACED. So why do these righties object??They’re in bed with big oil and coal.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 pmIt’s interesting to see the trolls freak out over this. Apparently Gore’s film is touching a really big nerve. Anytime conservatives / Bush lovers and the radical fringe right doesn’t want to look at something they attack the liberals.
They went nuts over Michael Moore’s movie that did nothing more than point out truthful facts about the Bush administration. You can be sure that these Bush loving trolls will continue to attack this movie even though most of them will refuse to see it.
Man are they brainwashed or what. No wonder liberals are the more creative interesting people. GOP Bush lovers are so limited and contorted they are afraid to take their heads out of the sand and take a look around.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:24 pmYou have to be kidding me. I mean boy i thought the oil companies had a strangehold on the republican establishment before but this takes the cake. What are these people gonna say when millions of people die because of their failure to rein in global warming. We didn’t want to hurt big business? Profit was more important than people’s lives. How do these people wake up in the morning and look themselves in the eye ?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:25 pmThe biomass used to produce ethanol has byproducts. Those byproducts are used to feed livestock, and, in the end, there is a net gain.
Nobody wants to go back to using horses to pull farm implements. A farmer planted 1/3 of planted acres for feed. Diesel fuel, oils for lubricants, artificial fertilizers, pesticides, herbicides are termed ‘auxillary inputs,’ and are responsible for the increased output in farm production. An unstable agricultural base would mean a dieoff of millions of people in a short period of time.
It is much less trouble to go to the grocery store to buy your flour and tomatoes than it is to plant and harvest those food stuffs yourself.
Either you want to live a modern lifestyle or you want to live on a farm to provide for yourself.
Not many takers there, cities are full of people who would rather not farm.
The choice is obvious.
Ozone concentrations vary in the atmosphere all over the earth. A deep blue sky indicates a high level of ozone.
CFCs are/were a problem. So are airplanes, if they didn’t exist, nobody could bomb defenseless people from an altitude of 50 thousand feet.
Economies work better when the world is at peace. People tend to work more worry-free and, consequently, get more work done. War sucks for the entire world.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:27 pmJust for the record, the US has already fallen way behind Europe in R&D for several key renewable energy technologies. EU companies will dominate the market by the time the US faces the inevitable and starts switching to RE.
However, much as i would prefer gore over bush or forbes, i must take issue with the following statements, which seem to be a little one-sided:
“Forbes is a loser. What more proof do you need than that he can’t get elected with a billion dollars to spend and no criminal record?” – Drew Mackenzie (3)
“Yes, this from Mr. “Flat Tax†Forbes who inherited a fortune from his father and has never had to work a real job a single day in his life – and who moreover was rejected soundly by Republicans as a presidential nominee.” – Jonathon (5)
come on – Al Gore also inherited a huge fortune, and has most likely never worked a real job in a real working environment. Furthermore, he failed to get elected despite the fact that he has no criminal record, and even though the Clinton administration could boast of a huge budget surplus, AND despite the fact that his opponent GWB was a cretinous little chimpanzee. So those aren’t reasons to get all snotty about Forbes, intellectually challenged simian though he, too, may otherwise be.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:28 pmGod forbid we encounter the truth, especially if it might harm big business.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:38 pm[...] You see, according to Fox “News,” Gore’s movie will destroy America’s economy. This was an argument echoed by a caller today on the Thom Hartmann Show. Wow. Green types must be some pretty powerful beasts indeed. They have the power to shut down an entire national economy just by talking about an issue! [...]
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:43 pm”We would restablish our leadership role in the world.”
And a whole new round of resentment and animosity towards America.
When are Americans going to learn that the rest of the world counts too?
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:43 pm#72 Nice talking points, but these things are not even developed yet. How do you know how much energy it will take to produce them? Can’t we at least try. If we paid the REAL cost of oil, protecting sea lanes, war ect. then we could find out what is competitive.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:45 pmI live three blocks from the ocean and after hearing Gore I’m going to sell out before the water gets to my doorstep. I sure hope someone will still buy it knowing that it will be gone in 5 years. I guess i’ll have to sell real cheap. Screwed again by the rupubs and their shortsightedness. I wonder how big of a loss I will take. I’ve had it for 20 years and it cost 80,000 then. Probably half that now. I am near Hilton Head SC Jeff
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:52 pmWill Gore’s speech destroy the economy? I’m not sure, but I imagine New York City being underwater will not help it a great deal.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 pmUsing natural gas for fuel to make electricity is as dumb as it gets. It is a complete waste of natural gas. Ask Calpine Energy, they went broke burning natural gas to generate electricity.
It is a useless energy policy and is the hallmark of idiocy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:56 pmI have to hand it to Fox News….for once they are being honest. They just don’t care about the environment or human life when it comes to making money.
Of course, the dishonest part is the positive effect that attempting to fix the problem would have…all of the new jobs created as a result of research and implimentation of more efficient and cleaner energy sources.
May 23rd, 2006 at 1:57 pm#72. I’d have an easier time believing you know what you’re talking about if you could spell some of the critical words. Maybe if you provided a link, I wouldn’t care how you spell.
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:01 pmRon Troll,
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:05 pmDon’t go away mad, just go away.
No, but they could.
Just think of all the opportunities if we went green. Look what the Internet did for businesses. There might be a little creative destruction, but that is expected in a healthy economy. That is why we have government safety nets to ease the pain for all and smooth the economic transistion.
These guys are just scared, afraid of debate and change, and they want to stay in their status-quo hole for selfish reasons.
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:14 pm#93
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:15 pmI’ll buy your place! Your situation reminds me of a cadillac I bought really cheap because the owner told me it wouldn’t run—turns out it was only out of gas. I wouldn’t mind aquiring a place 3 blocks from the ocean at a huge discount either. I’d feel guilty though because you’re allowing yourself to be spooked by the likes of Gore and environmental whacko’s. Fortunately for you your appraisal won’t be based on the global warming hysteria, so your place will be worth more than your fears are telling you.
I knew Gore was evil, but not that evil. He must want revenge for losing the election– sort of ingenious, really, to plot the downfall of the US economy and come across looking like an environmentalist at the same time. Tricky-tricky…
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:23 pmFor those that think Climate Change is a myth, you can get the straight facts from the U.S. Climate Chnage Science Progeram – the BUSH ADMINISTRATION’S OWN PLOICY AND SCIENCE THAT CLEARLY STATES CLIMATE CHANGE IS REAL AND THE RESULTS OF HUMAN ACTIVITY. http://www.climatescience.gov
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:27 pmForbes is a mega businessman in America, now where do you think his interests lie?
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:28 pmFor those who continue to believe that global warming is human caused, you can get straightend out at http://junkscience.com/
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:36 pm#98
Which critical words do you need help with?
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:42 pmGreat freeze frame ;-)
May 23rd, 2006 at 2:54 pmFor those who continue to believe that global warming is human caused,
Comment by Antagonist — May 23, 2006 @ 2:36 pm
It’s not human caused per se – bit it is factually human exaserbated. We’ve amplified it far beyond what Mother Nature had intended. And in the process, we’ve already extended the ‘in between Ice Ages’ period from the usual 1,000 years to 1,200 and counting. Meaning – we’ve upset the system that the planet runs upon. And like most things we meddle into – the ramifications will probably be even more significant that we’ve seen so far.
Now ‘Intelligent’ Design is junk Science. Not the nuances of Global Warming.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:01 pmI live in the great white north. It IS warmer in the winter, so, yes, we are using less energy to keep our houses warm. However, it is much warmer in the summer too, so more and more people are using more power to keep houses cool. (not us, we have been able to tough it out so far). Further north, polar bears are having trouble. They need ice to travel across to find their food and feed their cubs. No ice=no food=no cubs. People in the truely northern communities cannot travel. They depend on ice roads in the winter to get supplies for the warmer months. No ice=no roads=very expensive supplies being flown in. Back to my neck of the woods (lake huron/georgian bay) we are experiencing greater snowfalls because the lakes do not freeze over anymore. No ice= Open water=more precipitation picked up as weather fronts travel accross the open water. The also causes flooding dangers when the snow melts in the spring. We live in a town of about 8000 people, two hours away from any major city/industrial center and yet last summer we experienced 8-10 days of smog alerts, maybe more. Tornado warnings have become a fact of life for us within the past few years.
Global warming/climate change is a serious problem that needs to be acknowledged!!!!!!
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:05 pmSo what they can’t blame on Clinton, they will blame on Gore.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmPerish the thought that any blame rests with the boy-king.
most of these posts are hystericall funny. logic and reason are not strong points for this group.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmCompanies pump tons of toxic mercury into ground water. This mercury makes its way into lakes. Its so bad now I heard one expert claim that you should limit eating tuna to one time a month. So now I’ll probably die of mercury poisoning. That’ll be good for the Insurance, healthcare and pharmaceutical industry. See all the good thid does for the economy?
If the company that pumped all this mercury was forced by law to clean up this crap (as they were under Clinton) that would be an added expense to their bottom line. They might miss their per-share earnings and their stock would rise slighly less (in the short-term) And according to the neo-nuts this would be bad for the economy. God forbid any corporation is held to any level of responsibility.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:23 pmtypo on my previous post. i meant that to read hysterically. sorry.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmI live in a very cold state, colder than Hell itself. In the winter of 1980/81, the temperature hit minus 37 degrees Fahrenheit with a wind chill factor of minus 95 degrees. In the winter of 1997, the thermometer hit minus 42 degrees. In 1961, it was as dry as the thirties with dust hanging in the air night and day and hot.
I have also seen the thermometer hit 108 degrees Fahrenheit in the shade on a hot summer day. There were some Floridians working in my state that year. “This is hot,” they said.
I have been through this before. During the Carbiniferous period when there was unbelievable plant growth on the earth, the CO2 levels were ten times the approximate 345 ppm that it is today. Translated into simple numbers, for every one million cubic feet of atmospheric air, there is 345 cubic feet of CO2. The natural level of CO2 was established in 1895 at 295 ppm. Trees and ocean plankton breathe CO2 and exhaust oxygen. The amount of manmade CO2 is 50 ppm that exists in the atmosphere. You exhale CO2 too.
What are you going to do to stop it? Stop breathing?
Nature has an ebb and flow, flotsam and jetsam, pitch and yaw. It has made some five billion or so trips around the sun, give or take a few million years.
Mankind will go the way of the dinosaurs long before the world comes to an end.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 pmSteve Forbes is living proof that genetics can only give a man so much, character counts for so much more and Mr Forbes has the character of an insecure selfish prick.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:44 pmThere is not idea too venal or stupid for him not to jump behind it because it serves to keep his pocket book fat and flush with cash. He is typical of business republicans who love conservative ideology because it is good for their bottom line, not because they really believe that crap.
He’s an empty suit which probably explains his political failures despite many loving messages from right wing propaganda mills like FOX news and the Washington Times.
#113 – “You exhale CO2″
yeah, and if you inhale nothing but CO2, you’re gonna die.
Has one person on this post said “We gotta stop all CO2 emissions!” Nope.
Reduction doesn’t mean eliminate. Heck, if all emissions of “hot air” were removed, where would we get politicians?
“Mankind will go the way of the dinosaurs long before the world comes to an end.”
Yeah, and we’re going to do it to ourselves. We’re the one animal that craps in their own nest.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmThese right wing clowns are just so unserious when it comes to the problems facing America. Are people starting to get that? That conservatism is a sham ideology, followed by useful idiots and greedy little men who would gladly push women and children out of the way to get onto the lifeboat before the Titantic goes down.
Are American’s begining to see?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmAre the media begining to see?
113
The Carboniferous Period occurred from about 354 to 290 million years ago during the late Paleozoic Era. I’m pretty sure humans weren’t around just yet, so the fact that it occurred before we even existed doesn’t help your case much. We are talking about how global warming effects Humans and vice versa afterall.
Just because the planet was also once a giant sphere of lava doesn’t make that an ideal state for our fragile existence. Like you said, the earth works in cycles, but don’t you think that perhaps that is because it has its own balancing act to take care of, and if we unaturally add our waste into that equation, don’t you think it will have some effect? 1 degree doesn’t sound like much, but when you look at what that change would do to the system as a whole, it makes a HUGE difference.
Breathing out CO2 is accounted for by our planet’s system. A billion cars breathing it out is not.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:58 pm#100, you were right! The realtor told me my house by the beach has actually gone way up in value. Thank earth that there are some stupid republicans that want to blow their money on property that will be undewater in a few years. I’m getting out before they wise up! Jeff
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May 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 pm118.
You might even want to hold out for a couple of years until its actual “beach front” property, then you could get even more.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:03 pmASMAN Askes: “If people buy into his global warming hysteria, will it put him in the White House and our economy on the skids”
Well seeing how voters bought into the “sky is falling b/c of terrorist Osama Bin Laden” hysteria, and elected Moron, I mean President Bush, and seeing that putting him in the White House has brought us to the highest deficit in US history, thus sending our economy on the skids….
….I think Asman the answer is yes.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:04 pmWhy is it so hard for people to understand that it isn’t a matter of people being “ignorant” or “idiots”, but that when there is an opportunity for power and profit, there are some people who will say anything at all in order to improve their chances of getting/keeping that power and profit?
Stop viewing it as an issue of “why don’t they understand”, and instead view it as an issue of “what do they have to gain by saying this?”
Note: “they” means ANYBODY ANYWHERE ABOUT ANYTHING.
Trust me. You’ll all be much better off.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:05 pmLemme see here, um, ah, it was Teddy Roosevelt who was a conservationist, was he not?
He was also called the ‘trust-buster.’ He reigned in corporate greed. He was also a rock-ribbed Republican, not the phony baloney kind that exists today.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:08 pmFox’s gasbag is doing the Rove thing.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:19 pmAccuse the other guy of whatever you are knee deep in.
Bush’s policies are doing an efficient job of undermining the economy all by themselve.
The effects of global, if ignored or exacerbated (Bush is doing both) will destroy the economy and a lot more.
There will be massive dislocation, people will starve and major urban centers will be under water and infrastructure like ports and coastal energy facilities will be destroyed.
The rationale behind this soviet style propaganda is unbelievably shallow and cheap.
They want the corporate bad actors to keep help them in power.
I think a congressional investigation of FOX is in order. Using the public airwaves to deliberately mislead and mis-inform can’t be legal.
CDW
# 104 Junkscience.com is junk science.
I read through and almost fell out of the chair laughing at this right wing crap!
Trying to disprove global warming by plotting the temperature in Central England.
OMG what idiots!
Never try to prove or disprove climate change based on a specific location getting hotter or colder. It’s just not anywhere near that simple
Read peer reviewed studies on climate change.
A scentist or 2 paid off by Exxon is all that it takes for so many to fall for this right wing crap
I don’t think the human race will ever amount to much.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:25 pmFossil fuels are the source of most of the wealth of the last few centuries. Now that the oil is half gone, and will be gone in 10 decades or so, the economy and wealth that we take for granted will also be depleted. There is no equivilent source of cheap wealth that will replace what oil has been. The ruling elite that compete for wealth and geopolitical dominance are unwilling, refusing, will do whatever it takes, to prevent converting from the current economic order to a new one, until every last dollar is wrung from the soil. Global warming is the inconvenient trim tab on the rudder that threatens to turn the great ship of economy to a different course without consent of the greedy ruling elite. THERE IS NO ONE OF STATURE IN THIS COUNTRY EXCEPT AL GORE WHO HAS TAKEN THE POSITION THAT THE NATION MUST BEGIN THE TRANSITION NOW!! So they will do everything they can to squash him.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:28 pm#68- “Global warming will reduce energy consumption.” Well, how about that!?! Why don’t you get back to us in the Fall, after a nice, hotter than usual summer? It takes alot of energy to power all the air conditioners that will be used, to hopefully prevent heat stroke. And all of those SUV’s will be cranking the A/C on full blast. This will add to the problem, not reduce it. Last summer, a record setting string of hightemperatures in Europe caused the deaths of hundreds of people. In the southern states of our own country, the record high temperatures killed hundreds of people as well. Homeless Americans were dying of THIRST!!! This will become commonplace, should global warming continue apace. Are you ok with that?
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:37 pm#125 junkscience.com is not junk science, in fact it isn’t any kind of science. Calling that site junk science would be too kind. It’s just another politically motivated think tank.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmMaybe his name is being spelt wrong. The left of a S right there between the A and S :)
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:06 pmten bucks says forbes’s eyes never blinked during the interview. not even once.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:11 pmIt may come as a surprise to some here, but science does not beget nature. Science is merely a tool to study nature. Science is often wrong too.
A dog can sniff out a tumor growing inside of a human body better than applied medical science is capable of doing. With all of its high and mighty knowledge, it doesn’t hold a candle to a dogs keen sense of smell.
Al Gore does NOT own shares of Occidental Petroleum.
The Democrats, if they can salvage their party, need new leaders. Hillary Clinton and Al Gore are washed up.
The ‘Republicans’ need to be smote by the voting public.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:16 pm… a dog’s keen sense of smell.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmThis issues is all about redistribution of the wealth. This is to say that cleaning up the environment would take money from the corporations and put it into the hands of small inventors and small business men who will supply the solutions, providing job growth and stimulating the economy. Oh wait, that sounds like a good thing.
The current administration, and a certain democrat running for reelection in the senate and looking forward to a presidential bid in 2008, are totally beholding to those corporations that will have to give up some of the pie. As long as they hold the power, nothing will change.
As I see it, Al Gore is the only person that can help us take America back from extremists who will lie, steal and cheat to keep it.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:27 pmi really don’t see how anyone can consider fox a real news channel
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:37 pm#125 & #128
I checked out Real Inconvenient Truth on junkscience and found it….interesting.
Two things that caught my attention. The author of the article said that it was incorrect to refer to the earth’s atmosphere as a greenhouse, yet goes on to use just that terminology. He explains why the earth has a temperature of 59 degrees, instead of 0 degrees that it would have with an atmosphere and clouds but without the greenhouse effect.
Next, he states that most people are incorrect in saying that the so-called greenhouse gases trap heat in the atmosphere, saying that using the word “trap” infers it is held in the atmosphere forever. He says instead that the gases “delay” the heat’s escape into space. Gee…I wonder what that heat is doing to the air while it’s hanging around waiting to escape?
I didn’t read the entire article, but I wonder what he thinks about the millions of cars on the planet that, while being driven, are heating the air taken in by the engine and expelling it at a temperature of over 100 degrees? How about the air around the car being heated to a higher temperature by heat radiating from the cooling system, engine block, and exhaust system? How about the homes and businesses that trap heat during the summer which is then pumped outside by air conditioners?
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:56 pmGlobal warming agenda… it will “ice” the economy. Good pun. A documentary has the power to destroy our economy? Jeepers! But GWB keeps telling us how “strong” our economy is, and that it is only getting stronger, so which is it? Should I ‘believe’ Steve Forbes, or the ‘Decider’? Golly.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:59 pmI don’t see why any of you are surprised. Ever watch Faux on weekends, preferably Saturday morning on those stock shows like Forbes on Faux? The taglines they show on the bottom of the screen during those are even more evil and dreadful such as “Do Democrats want the economy to tank and hurt the United States”? or “Are Liberals siding with the terrorists by going against the NSA Wiretapping Program”? or “Why a Democratic victory in November means higher taxes for you, a recession and stock market crash” or “Democratic win in November = America’s loss?”…yes, these are all real..and these are just some examples.. there are much worse.
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:57 pmI’m going to save the economy by making a movie which encourages people to pollute without regard for long-term consequences.
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:46 pmjunkscience.com is a waste of time. The assertions are so easily debunked, yet anyone who disputes any of this guy’s claims is immediately attacked as some kind of liberal in cahoots with the academic commie blah blah blah.
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:49 pmWhat will it take for these idiots to see that Global Warming is a real issue. Even if it wasn’t, don’t you think it’s worth looking in to? Hmmm.. What if they’re right, those liberal hippies, maybe we could afford to put in to place a few policies to ensure the Global Warming slows down. Oh, i forgot, all our money is being spent on that “winning” situation in Iraq! Maybe some of you right wing idiots out there should watch a little less Fux News and a little more Discovery channel.
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:56 pmHey Badmoodman,
May 23rd, 2006 at 8:47 pmYes, natural disasters can be good for Wall Street. Our Gross Domestic Product (GDP) might have gone up after Katrina. Sure a lot of people were out of jobs, but look at all the new building! A number of people have criticised the concept of the GDP for reflecting the wealth of a country for just this reason.
Regardless of the magnitude of the disaster, EVEN when it is still unfolding, within 5 minutes, Fox News has their calculators and predicting the financial costs. It’s habitual and it’s sick.
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May 23rd, 2006 at 8:50 pmOlbermann pick Assman as one of the worst persons in the world tonight.
By the way, how’s about we change David’s first name to Dick? What would you call him?
DICK ASSMAN!
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHHAAHAHA!
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:07 pmbasically, economic disaster has always been the last refuge against ANY environmental argument.
republican cheat sheet:
1) any argument against “the war” can be refuted in the following ways-
a) accuse the person of having a “pre-9/11 mentality”
b) ask, “would you rather fight them over there or over here?”
c) if all else fails, they must hate america. be sure to inform the rnc of this terrorist threat.
2) any argument about the environment or “global warming” –
“there will be inevitable economic disaster should the eco-terrorists like al gore be allowed to enforce their will.” remember – ENVIRONMENTALISTS WANT ECONOMIC DISASTER!
3) any argument against administration or republican economic policies -
“actually, the economy is strong, but the liberal media refuse to report the success of bush’s tax cuts.”
4) any argument against the “terrorist surveillance plan” -
“if you’re not a terrorist, you should have nothing to hide and no reason to fear the nsa doing its job to protect our national security”
5) remember, when all else fails, BLAME CLINTON. we’ve used this effectively for 13 years and expect to be able to continue for at least another decade. god bless bill clinton (the despicable sinner), he really is the gift that keeps on giving for republicans.
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:48 pmDon’t we ever learn the lesson? This is classic right wing propaganda. “If this happens, that will result”. Simple. Anybody with a third grade education can grasp the concept. Makes a good story around the water cooler. You can remember it even after 7 or 8 Lone Stars.
Why can’t us progressives ever tell the TRUE stories with such utter SIMPLICITY?
THAT’S what gets votes.
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:13 pmIt really is true that reapeating something enough times becomes the truth in the mind. I was at a 3 day seminar on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, the same techniques which I was taught to help people, are used by salespeople and politicians for other reasons.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:40 amA quick string-search of this thread showed that realclimate.org hasn’t been mentioned yet, so I thought I’d mention it. Realclimate.org is a great web-site for global-warming “fence-sitters” — it is run by a dozen (or so) professional climate scientists, several of whom enjoy international stature. It’s not such a great web-site for wingnuts, though, because it places some non-negligable demands on one’s grey-matter (a scarce commodity in wingnutville).
May 24th, 2006 at 1:28 amGood for you, Ron. Get ready for vastly increased energy useage this summer, far and away greater than any “savings” you experienced last winter.
Ying and Yang. Connectivity. Get used to it, troll.
May 24th, 2006 at 7:49 amyes, these are all real..and these are just some examples.. there are much worse.
Comment by Nash #137
Nash,
I agree 1000%…
…the Democrat progressive/liberals don’t seem to realize that YES we are in a war…
…a political CIVIL WAR with right wing inbred TRAITORS…
…Fox is the propaganda network that is employed by the criminal bushite junta to…
…incite their ignorant, racist, bigoted, murderous base…
…progressive/liberals would do well to “prepare” for what may escalate- from an ideological war of words- into more serious confrontations with right wing scumbag Bushite TRAITORS…
…the Fox Propaganda network must be brought to its knees…
…Roger Ailes, Murdoch and the whole Fox TREASONOUS network are DANGEROUSLY provocative (on purpose), and must be held in check at first- then accountable once our government is restored…
Progressive liberals MUST UNDERSTAND that America is currently under occupation…
May 24th, 2006 at 9:25 amWe should demand that the fcc shutdown fox now before more damage can be done! Then get Limbaugh, Hannity and Savage thrown into prison or a place of education to give them some sense.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:31 am#152
Censorship demanded by the most ignorant among us?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:43 am#146
Remember when it comes to fighting terrorism, Clinton was the poster child of ineffectiveness. Considering Hilary, who WILL get the Democratic nominination in 2007 BTW, is a clone of Bill, it will be a gift the will continue to give. Maybe the DNC will have her have an accident like Web Hubbell.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:52 amYou guys crack me up with your paranoia about fox. God forbid someone have a different view. If the do I guess they need to be “re-educated”.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:17 pmOne more note, i would support the Kyoto treaty IF it applied to everyone. Think about it. If there are no enviromental controls in mexico and the enviromental controls in america cost more than the move to mexico, guess where the factory goes? Kyoto was a bad treaty because of the exclusions not the inclusions.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:23 pm#157 But Bush has simply walked out of Kyoto and the system. He has refused to fight from within to do nothing outside. And Kyoto has terms. Even don’t being perfect, being inside will have allow the USA to reform it.
Nowadays, the greenhouse policy of the White House is zero. Or worse, they signed a whitewash agreement with 2 or 3 other countries. Wow! That’s far better than a treaty with almost every country in the world, for sure!
May 24th, 2006 at 12:37 pmIt’s pecualiar at best, and at worst a nightmarish mechanation in a piece of ficton that people continue to argue for “ever increasing growth” on a planet of our size with more than say, 2 billion people. Well it’s not so tremendous if you’re doing the math with (the other) half the world using 5% of the resources, I guess. It’s so frustrating when some people are interested in initiating discussions which have been serious for so many years, and the rhetorical pseudo-rational arguments are aimed more at dis-credititation rather than the issues themselves. Never before has accumulated wisdom been relegated into such impotent baskets so il-considered. Never before has public argument been so rigorously reliant on casting doubt before the discussion begins. If we are so prescious then we will save ourselves; To whom are we so important?
May 24th, 2006 at 12:46 pmtypo on my previous post. i meant that to read hysterically. sorry.
Comment by robert #112
Thanks robert,
…now go wipe, your anal retentiveness is showing…
Remember when it comes to fighting terrorism, Clinton was the poster child of ineffectiveness.
Comment by Tracy #153
T’rashy,
…need you reminding of the fact that…
…Clinton had a Republiscum Congress?…most of them are STILL there…
…If you right wing traitors’ CONCERN (for terrorism) was so great…
…why didn’t THEY do anything?
…after all, the power to declare war USED to belong to the Legislative Branch…
…oh that’s right, they were too busy setting Bill up…
…plying him with cigars and blue dress wearing interns…
May 24th, 2006 at 1:05 pmBack up to me Assman, I`ll make your name mean something
May 24th, 2006 at 1:10 pmRE: republican cheat sheet
It’s amazing how the Republicans seem to have this borg-like link to each other that tells them what to say in any situation. My parents are hard core and every time there’s something like this in the news, they are chanting the same rhetoric as Fox News. Are we just missing out on the newsletter?
As for the issue at hand – I’m curious about the movie. I’ve heard good and bad things about it, but the most common opinion seems to be that Gore is doing a good thing by trying to make a difference. I read an interview with him yesterday where he talked about the movie, and about his lack of political aspirations. I have to say that I wonder if he would really be at all effective as President. Not that I doubt his capabilities. I think he’d face far too much opposition and ridicule from both sides.
If he runs, it would be nice if he could do it on his own platform. When he’s being frank and ballsy, he’s actually really cool. It’s when he listens to his “lie to the people” advisors that he sucks. Whatever the case, though, he’s going to be just as polerizing as Hillary, which could be really bad in today’s political climate.
Of course, they have more than two years of Bushination to slog through, which means two years of more of the same. I wonder what the polls will say then.
May 24th, 2006 at 3:10 pm#159
“…If you right wing traitors’ CONCERN (for terrorism) was so great…
…why didn’t THEY do anything?”
Clinton was in charge of the FBI, NSA, CIA, and the U.S. military and could have done/ordered a multitude of things that Congress had NO authority to authorize against entities (terrorist organizations) not proven to be sanctioned by a soverign nation/government. Is the legislative branch in charge of national security or is the executive branch? Answer this question and you will see what your next statement below is so asinine.
“…after all, the power to declare war USED to belong to the Legislative Branch…”
And just what country would the legislative branch declare war on? The U.S. enforced UN 1441, plain and simple, therefore no formal declaration of war was required or needed.
“…plying him with cigars and blue dress wearing interns… ”
Which further demonstrates what a piece of crap BJ Clinton really was.
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May 24th, 2006 at 4:44 pmWhile obviously the Earth goes through regular cycles, it’s absurd to claim that humans have not accelerated the global warming process. Honestly, it’s already too late for minor reductions, and we are very near the point of no return according to many scientists.
I hate Bush, but whether or not he is willing to ‘admit’ that mankind accelerated global warming is moot. We need to stop worrying about who’s fault it is, and start putting some serious work into reducing the impact that humans have on the atmosphere. That’s a starting point. The best place we can start: crack down on industries that pollute, and serious research into alternative energy sources.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:51 pmI daresay publicly beheading a few oil company executives would do more for the environment than any other single action at this point in time.
It’s hillarious how f’ing pathetic you loser left-wing-nuts are!! Geese – If FFox News and “Bushites” are so obviously wrong…uh…why are teh Republicans in control? OK – You can (falsely) claim Bush stole the White House (the FIRST time…NOT the second) (And you are wrong there, anyway, if you ever care to research FACTS. Funny how the scandal was in a DEMOCRAT precinct controlled by DEM politicians…just shows how INCOMPETENT the DEMS ARE!!!) …but how do you explain the increase in Republican control of the House and Senate. Obviously, your jack-ax liberal ideology just doesn’t fly anymore.
As fior Global warminh…uh…hmmm…I suppose humans living in caves making camp fires caused global warming to stop the ice age??? OR, just MAYBE…the world has NATURAL cycles of warming and cooling. Maybe you FOOLS don’t remember that just, oh, say ten years ago, all the top lefft-wingnut “scientists” said we were going into another ice age. Hmmmmm…guess the science isn’t always accurate, huh? Do your research…
As for Bush putting into economic ruin (HAAAA HA AHAH AH AHA HAHAHA) have any of you jack-axes looked at the growth in this economy over the past year or two? During a time of war, our economy is booming. THAT is why the Fed keeps raising interest rates – to control the RAPID expoansion of the economy, whihc is at statistical FULL EMPLOYMENT (except Michigan..). Any more employment causes inflation. Job out-sourcing – is GREAT!!! Why should I (a business owner) pay somebody $25/hr to answer a phone and answer a question when I can pay an Indian $5/hour – he’s happy to get it – I get good service – and we are STILL fully employed!
You FOOLS need to really get your small, pathetic little heads wrapped around FACTS before you dash off and chant the liberal Bush-bashing mantra.
This thread is so full of liberal talking points that IGNORE that facts.. It’s amazing. Why doens’t just ONE of you RESEARCH ON YOUR OWN historical data on climate…and realize it only goes back a statistically INSIGNIFICANT amount of time for a climate this huge. You can NOT predict the future of a global environment based upon the miniscule data we have, any more than you can look at your ten year old and predict the job they will have.
Oh GOD!!!!! Why do I try? Now all you people will take your hatred out on me…you who claim to be so tolerant of all ideas. Go on…show your hipocracy…
May 24th, 2006 at 5:01 pmThis headline reminds me of a Fox News ticker in a Simpson’s episode: “Do Democrats cause cancer? Find out at Foxnews.com. … Rupert Murdoch: Terrific Dancer. … Dow down 5000 points. … Study: 92 percent of Democrats are gay. … JFK posthumously joins Republican Party. … Oil slicks found to keep seals young, supple. … Dan Quayle: Awesome.”
May 24th, 2006 at 5:20 pmMy GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This country is being controlled (and yes I am saying the media controls the nation- which in a way it does) by a bunch of idiots! Climate Change is not al gore’s agenda- his agenda is to simply save lives and work towards sustainable development and ecological security. I do not think that I have ever read anything so ludacris or angering in my entire life. And the problem is that people (republicans) will watch this and believe it is the truth- that global warming is not important or real. It is BOTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please, take the advise of Bush’s environmental advisor and see this movie with an open mind.
May 24th, 2006 at 6:00 pmIs this surprising? Al Gore was afterall trying to sell our country to the Chinese before he left office.
Now he’d rather give it away.
May 24th, 2006 at 6:11 pmWow that’s an original trick, using a photo of someone you don’t like with their mouth hanging open. Could you please manipulate me just a liiiiiitle less blatantly?
May 24th, 2006 at 6:19 pmI love dinosaurs, if we have a warmer earth can i ride a brontosaurus, and then we wont need cars cause we can ride them and then when they die again well have oil again, Splendid!!
May 24th, 2006 at 6:22 pmAl Gore is crossing a line here.
It’s one thing to bitch and moan about losing an election and crying about how people don’t listen to you anymore. Big deal. I can manage that crap.
But now, Gore is trying to actually reach out and destroy the lives of millions of Americans.
If people buy into his BS crap about global warming, even though it seems like it has been unusually cold this year, it could cause a backlash against pollution and the businesses that produce it.
You can read the rest of this article at the following URL:
Al Gore Wants To Destroy Our Economy And Get You Laid Off!!
http://www.liberalsmustdie.com
May 24th, 2006 at 7:11 pmAll I have to say about Forbes is this:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
Yeah read the bottom of who’s onboard this thing…
Scary…
The core beliefs of the Neo-cons:
http://www.newamericancentury.org
Freaky…
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May 24th, 2006 at 7:30 pmYou all dont understand. Giving up oil would mean giving up all the rebuilding opportunites after coastal cities are flooded due to envoronment change. Sure alternative energy will produce thousands of jobs. Home rebuilding due to the dissapearance of South Florida under the swelling of the worlds’ oceans will ensure home construction and salvage operations in decades to come and is much more lucarative. Destruction and reconstruction is one of the best businesses around. We all just need to do our duties–get behind our heros in government so that Haliburton, KBR, and other companies can return to america to prepare for the nation building scheduled for our own country. The Bushes’ and the Cheneys’ know what they are doing. This is why winning the war is so important. Worry about alternative energy later, it will always be there. We need to stay the course and make climate change a reality.
May 24th, 2006 at 7:33 pmPretty funny stuff. People try to act like the theory of global warming being predominately by human activity is agreed upon by all scientists. First one has to realize that a high percentage of academics are leftists. They are anti-capitalism and anti-individual. It is not suprising that they produce “science” that helps them support this ideology. My brother, who is an aerospace engineer with undergraduate degree in mathematics laughs at these scientists. Some of us can remember when these same scientists were telling us that industrial pollutants were going to lead to the next ice age. We also can remember the “scientists” who predicted widespread famine and collapse of human societies around the world by the 1980s. All of these people fail to realize that you are dealing with dynamic systems. These systems have forces, most of them having nothing to do with man, that are constantly in flux, and that these forces will tend to dampen extremes in either direction. Of course everyone knows that the earch undergoes natural temperature fluctuations far greater than anything being predicted by these so call “scientists”. These systems that are too complex to model. The effects of global warming, or at least the component related to human activity, will be pretty small. If you find scientists without an agenda, they will tell you the same.
May 24th, 2006 at 7:51 pmIf Americans had even the slightest amount of intelligence, they would realize that the “christian” way of using up the earth us unsustainable. Heck, if I was a crazy terrorist, I would want to blow you guys up too
May 24th, 2006 at 8:05 pmWhat Hollywood guy said we’d all be dead by … was it 1980, due to pollution (I think?)
May 24th, 2006 at 8:06 pmGore’s biggest fan was the Unabomber.
Al, didja ever sell all that oil stock?
I love the word JUNK-SCIENCE we should add it to the dictionary it has more meaning then bling bling. The fact of the matter is that AL GORE claimed to invent the internet at one point and misspelled tomato. That’s proof enough for me that Global warming is junk science. I believe Global warming to be a natural occurrence as do many who have a brain not attached to the left or right wings of the Dodo’s we call politicians. I am not as polarized in my politics as most. I dislike being treated like and idiot by our Public Servants. As for the Media, Fox is a bit conservative but all the rest are liberal so it’s almost not fair. The truth of the matter is that the TRUTH to everything is only found by someone who hasn’t made up their mind on what the truth is before they go searching for it. I know that’s a bit over the top wisdom for a BLOG, but there it is. Lefties and Righties alike have given their brain to the Media outlet of their choice, or the political afflation, or the Snickers Commercial on TV. All I am saying is take a step back, grasp the concept of the issue, discover the truth and stop letting the stupid people in the world dictate what you think about an issue. You will soon find that the truth is some where in the middle and both sides are wrong.
We as Americans should DEMAND our Government and Political System be revamped to suit the modern day era. We should have a Minimum requirements for anyone that attempts to go into office (and Yes we should give Minorities and extra 10 point head start for being a minority) Just this test alone would drive 3/4ths of the Idiots out of Washington. They should have a time card punch system and evaluations and be held to the same standards they force our poor McDonalds employees to endure. They should get paid an honest wage for the work they perform and be held accountable to the American people. The current system of the ELECTORIAL COLLAGE was developed to ensure that uneducated people didn’t have a say in who the elected President was, so now I believe it is time we remove and reverse the process. Ensure that the Idiots and Money grubbing Politicans in Washington know what it’s like to have a real job.
In a common way most of us are minorities, the majority of us that are not independently wealthy are being treated as mindless, thoughtless, and worthless idiots, while the rich man decides our fate and how he can get more money out of our pockets each and every DAY.
All in All AL GORE runs then Republicans WINS. We all lose. A Democrat Wins We all Lose. I hate exposing a problem of this magnitude with out presenting a solution so I will do my best.
We need a National Lottery and we then pick one of the 50 States or common wealth’s. We then throw a dart at a Map of that state and then determine the nearest unemployment agency to the point in which the dart has determined. The Next person in line at that particular office Shall Be Offered the Office of the President of the United States of America. In the event of a tie we still have the Supreme Court to decide who actually gets to be President. Is this a perfect system? No , but I think it is fair, and would certainly produce a better President then the current system.
May 24th, 2006 at 8:13 pmOk I know my previous comments we a bit over the top, but I admit I am a different breed of American. So I have been wanting to do this for along time and here I go. I am off on to a tangent that could lead to a brighter future for all of us.
I Hear By DENOUNCE my citizenship of the United States of America and Here by Declare myself as an INTERNET only Citizen. I have no affiliation to any country outside the boundaries of the Internet.
I would also like to nominate myself as President of The Internet. My constitution is embedded in the TCP/IP protocol. Microsoft and my ISP provider shall be considered the other branches government. My Term of Office shall be until that time in which I log off or I am forced to reboot do to the Impeachments Popups controlled by the Capitalists lobbyists known as Active X.
My Cabinet members are currently going through the defragmentation process. AS soon as that process is complete I will be levying a flat tax of 100M per Gig of porn each of you has downloaded and I will call this a SIN TAX ands use it to Develop my online Public Schools. AS for War I have decided to Delete all references to War on the Internet and readdress the issue at a later date when we can fight it a bit more fair. AS for Political parties, well we will change those to AOL parties and Yes You still need a note from you Mom to get in. That is all for now. Enjoy.
May 24th, 2006 at 8:33 pmWhich of us does not use fuel, paper, plastic, oil, gas, and water. Does your toilet flush drinking water? Does Al Gore drive a Cadillac? Do solar panels require energy in their construction? Does this computer generate energy. Am I conserving? Are you?
May 24th, 2006 at 8:54 pmWould you like a refinery in your back yard?
Thank God there were 637 more sane people than insane people io Florida in 2000. The problem is Global Cooling! I have my 1975 Newsweek to prove it
May 24th, 2006 at 9:24 pmThank God there were 537 more sane people than insane people io Florida in 2000. The problem is Global Cooling! I have my 1975 Newsweek to prove it
May 24th, 2006 at 9:25 pmWhen did the Gorbot switch from the ManBearPig to Global Warming as a ruse to frighten the Chicken Little crowd? There is no scientific consenus that climate variations are significantly effected by human activity. Why is the south polar ice cap on the planet Mars melting? They don’t even have fossil fuels. If everyone faced east and took a whiz it would effect the earth’s rotation–but in only the 14th thousandth significant figure. The most greatest fear that I have is not terrorism, war, or global warming; it’s that there are people who are gullibile enough to fall for The Stump load of snail snot. Get a life, get a brain, and leave me the hades alone.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:28 pmThis is the same guy(Gore) who said of Bush “He preyed on our fears!”. And here Gore is willing and able to do the same.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:50 pmOnce the issue moves from the venue of emotional, sociological and political debate and *actually* moves into the arena of serious scientific consideration, I will pay attention.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:55 pmOMG! It’s as if STALIN had made a movie about giving up our precious NUKES! Al Gore must be stopped!
If the planet is being destroyed, who cares? My oil stock options will skyrocket!
May 25th, 2006 at 1:15 amOMG! It’s as if STALIN had made a movie about giving up our precious NUKES! Al Gore must be stopped!
If the planet is being destroyed, who cares? My oil stock options will skyrocket!
May 25th, 2006 at 1:16 amAt this point, if you still support the republican agenda you better be a rich white businessman otherwise you must be a blind and deaf mental midget. How bout this, if global warming is proven to be generated by industry, then all the polititians against the thesis have to publicly appologies and retire from public office.
May 25th, 2006 at 2:10 amAt this point, if you still support the republican agenda you better be a rich white businessman otherwise you must be a blind and deaf mental midget. How bout this, if global warming is proven to be generated by industry, then all the polititians against the thesis have to publicly appologies and retire from public office.
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May 25th, 2006 at 4:18 amWhat a bunch of trolls in dead threads!
Either someone in a right wing blow published the link to this thread or is a right winger basement loon with hundreds of personalities in his little brain…
May 25th, 2006 at 6:37 amClinton was in charge of the FBI, NSA, CIA, and the U.S. military and could have done/ordered a multitude of things that Congress had NO authority to authorize against entities (terrorist organizations) not proven to be sanctioned by a soverign nation/government.
Comment by Tracy #161
obviously, your revisionist historical perspective and slavish devotion to your TREASONOUS scumbag party and false gods (Bushiva and L’il Dick) won’t allow you to remember how Bill Clinton’s intelligence/security agencies foiled and solved any number of terrorist plots/ attacks…
…including capturing the blind Sheikh responsible f/t 1st WTC bombing (that happened months into Bill’s term, Timothy McVeigh, and preventing the L.A. airport and millenium celebration attacks…
…Clinton bombed the al Qaeda bomb making facility in Africa (the aspirin or baby formula factory- depending on which Republiscum lie you believed at the time)…
…every proactive step Clinton attempted to make to thwart terrorism was derided by the right wing TRAITORS in this country as “wagging the dog”…
And just what country would the legislative branch declare war on? The U.S. enforced UN 1441, plain and simple, therefore no formal declaration of war was required or needed.
Comment by Tracy #161
…then ask yourself: “WHY are we in Iraq”, (you ignorant, gullible, mass murdering sh*thead)?
Which further demonstrates what a piece of crap BJ Clinton really was.
Comment by Tracy#161
…one this country sorely misses, and would re-elect in a heartbeat…
…if a presidential election pitting your dumb ass, cowardly, inept TREASONOUS mama’s boy (Bushiva)…
…against the savvy, knowledgeable, capable, Rhodes Scholar Bill Clinton…
…be honest now…
…who the hell do you think would win?
Now go refresh the fruit display on your Bushite shrine…
…you dumb, TREASONOUS, al Cracker, inbred Bushite…
May 25th, 2006 at 8:33 amI just got back from my walk on the beach and the water was up about 5 feet in only the last 6 hours. I sure hope it goes back down or we will be drowned soon. I swear 5 feet in 6 hours! Gore is right, we are in trouble.
May 25th, 2006 at 10:50 amRon, I’m glad you retained some scientific information at various points in your life. If I went by the other 100 plus comments on this page – well I might as well just shoot myself in the head because we all suck and we’re all going to die by massive heat and floodings in the next year, or at least if a Republican is elected into office. Seriously, did the majority of you post because you wanted to share something intellectual, or because you had a bad day?! Its also funny that 90 percent of the postings are somewhat hateful towards the interview. Why were you watching it if you knew it was against what you believe in, and you obviously knew it was going to piss you off? And you all should revisit the history of Teddy Rosevelt, he was the first “environmental” crusader, along with John Muir (I hope to God you all know who he is!).
May 25th, 2006 at 11:25 amSo, to recap:
1) Global warming isn’t happening.
2) If it is, it isn’t our fault, it’s a natural process and therefore there’s nothing we can do to possibly make sure it doesn’t mess us up too badly.
3) Al Gore is pure evil.
At this point it seems like more energy is being expended arguing against climate change than it would actually take to implement reasonable precautions.
May 25th, 2006 at 12:31 pmIf real change is not enacted in this nation, we’re going to have a lot more immediate problems than the nebulous threats of “icing the economy”. Such as large-scale movements of refugees from coastal areas.
May 25th, 2006 at 3:47 pmWe need to think about the infrastructure of our civilization, and how to exist on Earth in a state of balance. This is more important than the richest few having to sell a few mansions to make ends meet. (I’m crying for you right now…).
In fact, progress in technology has historically improved the economy, e.g. steam engine to internal combustion engine.
What if the powerful ’steam lobby’ had derailed plans for development of petroleum-based energies? Perhaps by crying about job losses for horse breeders, and train engineers….
No doubt, we need to clean up our ways, but it has to start with the desire in the hearts of the people for real change.
no lite te bastardes corborundurum. JK.
Big Papa needs a great deal of psychotherapy to deal with his hatred of those who do not share his views.
May 25th, 2006 at 5:28 pmBig Papa needs a great deal of psychotherapy to deal with his hatred of those who do not share his views.
May 25th, 2006 at 5:28 pmFor once Fox is right.
Global warming won’t destroy the planet, government will.
Fair and balanced, for once.
May 25th, 2006 at 6:39 pmWa-hoo! It’s good to see so many neo-con jobs on this site! You boys might just have 2 brains cells to rub together after all!
May 25th, 2006 at 10:26 pmPlease do not fertilize the neo-cons… there is too much sh** out there already…
May 25th, 2006 at 11:04 pmHope it is their house that gets wacked next…
George Bush is the most fiscally irresponsible president we’ve had since at least LBJ, and probably since Warren Harding. Even if Al Gore had not only been elected, but had brought in a Democratic Congress to let him spend everything he wanted, he’d have caused less damage to the American economy than Bush. Bush spends money like a coke addict in Vegas – he rolled the dice on WMDs (nope), gambled on Katrina wimping out (nope), lied about whatever it took to get the public to let him attack Iraq, spent Clinton’s surplus on military spending and then got extra money to spend on the war his buddies were planning before the election, and by running the US into record deficits, he’s committed the next couple of generations into paying for it instead of dealing with the fact that all the boomers are retiring in the next two decades and will start burning Social Security. Would Gore have been bad economically? Sure, but he’s at least got a certain level of competence and willingness to deal with reality that Bush never did. And at least he’s got some moral values – Bush panders to the religious right about gay marriage, but has lied about every fundamental policy issue, kept the public in fear so his team could keep getting more power, been the chief commander over secret prisons and torture that the British government we threw out in 1776 would have been ashamed of, while pretending not to be responsible for it, attaches “signing statements” to bills from Congress that clearly indicate that he’s refusing to enforce and obey the laws as written, and hired attorneys general and other advisors to claim he’s allowed to do it.
May 26th, 2006 at 2:30 amPoor Steve Forbes. He never got over being the spoiled rotten son of a rich, closeted homosexual, one Malcolm Forbes.
One wonders if he would’ve grown up to be the virulently homophobic right winger he is had his father been honest enough to come out sooner rather than later.
Heck, if his father had just been gay from the get-go, and not tricked a woman into marrying him as cover for his homosexuality, we’d have one less right winger in the world!
May 26th, 2006 at 3:29 pmAsk a Swedish immigrant. But, bring lunch because once one of those folks get started you can’t stop them.
May 27th, 2006 at 8:25 amNice propaganda noise there, Stewart… IF that’s your real name.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:11 amOr is it Al Gore?
hey family if you read this hi
oh ya I looking forward for this movie
May 30th, 2006 at 2:31 pmMay 30th, 2006 at 11:17 pm
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May 31st, 2006 at 10:47 amI think Assman is not correct !
May 31st, 2006 at 11:37 amEconazis and socialism are match made in Heaven. Hitler would be proud of Gore.
May 31st, 2006 at 5:23 pmIntolerance, Biggotry, Hatred and greed; as long as these things exist, you will have to defend yourself against them.
I say let’s stop letting the conservative movement and it’s supporters be met with words, and start burning churches!
No matter how many times they “change” their views, the people they support are monsters. Let’s start by killing preists, raping virgins who have taken vows of celebacy and beating anyone who brings their religious opinions to the public!
Who’s with me?
June 1st, 2006 at 3:43 pmYou Asshole!
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:28 amAnother piece of socialist propoganda…
Indeed, we must cease our dependence on oil, but what kind of idiot needs a movie from such a credible (sic) source as Al Gore to realize that? This sounds like Al trying to get more press to me; getting his name back in the news for — Heaven forbid — another Presidential run? When America finally significantly lowers its dependency on oil (hopefully within the next 10 years?), you can bet that ol’ Al will be pointing out to everone that he is responsible, just like how he invented the internet, computers, yo-yos, remote controlled awnings, or whatever his outrageous claims are. Such is the nature of politicians, especially liberals…
But government regulation is not the answer to any such problems. For example, the idea that we could lower gas prices by taxing the oil companies outrageous sums on their profits so that they don’t want to profit as much for fear of taxation. Does anyone actually believe that this would work? Perhaps it is regulations that are a part of why we are in this situation of nearly $3 a gallon gas. The US has a lot of oil under our own soil — oil we aren’t using. And why? Perhaps it is because it is not economical because of the regulations imposed on US companies that make it cheaper to import oil from half way around the world (which not only is expensive and bleeding us dry, but is also sending billions of dollars to a part of the world and countries like Iran which hold a general opinion that America is the “Great Satan” and that we must die) than to tap into the available oil in the US?
But anyway… I think I might go see this movie. It’s bound to be hillarious!
June 7th, 2006 at 11:59 pmPerfect! Al Gore wasn’t marginalized enough, now he’s wearing a tinfoil hat and sunglasses and distributing the pictures nationwide….I’m amazed the left hasn’t demanded him to stop helping so much….
June 14th, 2006 at 9:04 amI want to know when we will run out of food because global warming and whenwe will die of starvatiom. I am ten years old and I wamt to know if I will still be alive when it happens or if it will be thousands or hundreds of years from know and I am dead.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:10 pmflurp- I’ll buy the popcorn! I’ll probably get kicked out from laughing too hard. Although from shine’s ten year old post it sounds like it’s already been previewed in the public school system.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:51 ammanbearpig
June 27th, 2006 at 1:44 pmBottom line—capitalizm and puritanism fused and run amuck. A worse combination than craziness and stupidity.
June 27th, 2006 at 10:28 pmForbes: …some people do believe the DaVinci [sic] Code…
Yeah, and some people believe in an invisible man that lives in the sky. What can you actually test? The temperature or an invisible man?
July 26th, 2006 at 1:36 pmOh, of course, anytime someone points out a crisis in the world, it MUST be that he’s trying to get elected, or at least destroy democracy/our country/freedom/the president. Had these guys already left the room to go conjure up this filthy piece of propaganda when Al Gore said definitively that he does NOT plan to run for president again EVER? But clearly he’s just trying to plot some conspiracy and thinks that saying that will undermine the republicans. It couldn’t POSSIBLY be that there actually IS a climate crisis on this planet. Why on earth would anyone think that the content of CO2 in the atmosphere being higher than it’s ever been in the history of the planet (based on tests done on the air in bubbles in glaciers that have been around since before the ice age) could possibly presage some kind of climate change?
As someone who’s spent the last half year travelling the country, from Massachusetts to Key West to Texas and back, and then to Hawaii, I can attest to the fact that almost everywhere I’ve been, I’ve encountered people swearing this is the most unusual weather they’ve had in years. In Texas it was drought; on the Gulf Coast the tropical storms are worse than they’ve ever been; in Florida there’s a water shortage that’s only getting worse; in Hawaii, there was a flood in March (it rained for 40 days straight, as 2 different people told me) and, as of last month, was still flooded in some areas – not only is this uncannily out of season, but also the most rainfall they’ve had at once in recorded history; in New England, the winters are getting longer and the summers are getting more severe. But no, I’m sure that’s all just a coincidence.
I recommend that anyone who’s laboring under the delusion that FOX news has ever even attempted to be ‘fair and balanced’ should check out the movie Out-FOXed or read any Al Franken book…or just ask someone smart why they don’t watch it. Or you could check out the statistics showing that Fox news watchers are the least correctly informed demographic when it comes to FACTS about current events. ‘Some people say’ that Rupert Murdoch would love nothing more than an army of brainwashed minions backing up his assertions that Al Gore and all the crazy people who agree with him are making up this whole global warming ‘hysteria’ as part of a conspiracy because we ‘hate freedom and want to destroy America.’ When all our endemic food sources die out as a result of climate change and we’re all hoarding synthetic protein powder and wondering how we didn’t see it coming, I can only hope the Fox news broadcasters are still alive; I’ll bet the fat on their rich asses would keep us in food for a good long while.
August 14th, 2006 at 5:16 pmFox shouldn’t get off so easily as they wish, i.e. “If you think you’re smart, don’t watch us.” Someone should follow the money. They should be investigated, indicted, and jailed for corruption.
August 21st, 2006 at 5:55 pmI’ve just seen Gore’s “An Inconvenient Truth” for the second time, this time with one of my daughters. As a scientist, I concurr that this is a film to be taken VERY seriously. I just travelled through British Columbia recently to witness first-hand the vast vast destruction of the pine trees there, all due to the inability now of climate to “winter-kill” the voracious pine beetle. I also recently saw the Canadian documentary entitled “The Corporation” the other day. It is an interesting but fully understandable cooincidence that Fox was featured as a less than stellar corporate citizen for its blatant and unapologetic manipulation of the truth (to increase Fox advertising profits, presumably). It seems Fox must believe that free speech should legitimately include deception, lying and irresponsible discussion between idiots who masquerade as journalists. Its time the media in the US started looking at the core issues without all this meaningless political rhetoric. Global Warming and planetary destruction do not pay attention to unproductive, ill-informed bantering.
August 27th, 2006 at 1:25 amI don’t know much about Forbes but for him to put the American economy and job situation above the welfare of the planet is quite indicative of why the US won’t sign the Kyoto agreement. People like him obviously don’t care about their children or anyone else.
September 11th, 2006 at 10:05 amPeople. We have serious situation here. Those who doesn’t see that the climate changes are threating our lives, are stupid. Every country in this world should press on their government to step arround and make some concret solution how to stop global warming immediately. If process of global warming will continue, WE HAVE NO FUTURE.
September 13th, 2006 at 2:12 amAnother great propaganda to neglect the facts ! Make money seems again to be more important than National Safety and the future of our civilisation!
November 29th, 2006 at 10:34 amTHESE PEOPLE NEED TO GET WITH THE TIMES! STOP WORRYING ABOUT GORES POLITICAL PREFERNCE. PAY ATTENTION TO THE MESSAGE HE IS SAYING. WE ARE DESTROYING THE PLANET! EARTH WILL BE COMPLETELY ENGULFED WITH WATER BY 2050 UNLESS WE MAKE SOME DRASTIC CHANGES. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT EVERYONE ELSE BUT I WILL BE ALIVE IN 2050…. AND I WOULD LIKE TO LIVE ON EARTH. SO BOTTOM LINE….GET WITH THE DAMN TIMES…TO THINK GORE IS DOING ALL THIS FOR POLITICAL RECOGNITION IS QUITE DUMB. WE MUST MAKE SOME CHANGES NOW…THE EARTH DEPENDS ON US.
January 3rd, 2007 at 11:52 amFox news obiously doesn’t read the rest of the news that the world does. CNN just reportrd on Jan 2, 2007 that an ancient ice glasier just broke off in the Artic. Polar bears are in trouble, everyone is recording record heat and it’s 50 degress in Wisconsin in January. Forget your narrow minded agenda and wake up. You have to live on this planet too.
January 3rd, 2007 at 10:16 pmEver hear of these people?
http://www.ucsusa.org/global_warming/
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January 4th, 2007 at 10:56 amthis movie changed what i think about global warming. I never knew that global warming could bd so serious. And im only 10 and in school we have to write speeches and i chose global warming as a topic hoping to invite my class to watch the inconvenyent truth. and change there minds of the world!
January 10th, 2007 at 7:31 pmgo global warming
January 12th, 2007 at 11:46 amglobal warming!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 12th, 2007 at 11:47 amglobal warming!!!!!
January 12th, 2007 at 11:48 amI am a meteorologist for the national weather service and have been so for a long time. You people have got to get your heads out of Al Gore’s butt and start thinking for yourselves. (I’m speaking only to those who are buying into the Al Gore propaganda) Global Warming is NOT real. Not real in the sense that driving an SUV is going to cause another hurricane Katrina to hit Denver. Global warming is real in the sense that this is something that has been happening for a long time. The temperature of the earth has been increasing more or less continuously since the time of the cave man.
Approximately 18,000 years ago the earth began a gradual process of warming up after more than 100,000 years of Ice Ages. Much of North America, Europe, and Asia lay buried beneath great sheets of glacial ice.
By about 15,000 years ago the earth had warmed sufficiently to halt the advance of glaciers, and sea levels worldwide began to rise.
By 8,000 years ago the land bridge across the Bearing Strait was drowned, cutting off the migration of men and animals to North America.
Since the end of the Ice Age, Earth’s temperature has risen approximately 16 degrees F and sea levels have risen a total of 300 feet! Forests have returned where once there was only ice.
From a geological perspective, global warming is the normal state of our accustomed natural world. Technically, we are in an “interglacial phase,” or between ice ages. The question is not really if an ice age will return, but when.
Don’t panic when you hear global alarmists warning the earth may have warmed almost 1 degree in the last 200 years. Although this still hasn’t yet been proven, it is in fact exactly what should be happening if everything is normal.
If Global Warming stops, then you can start worrying! It means our warm interglacial phase is over and we may be heading into another Ice Age!
Global Warming occurs in cycles caused mainly by changes in the sun’s energy output and the sun’s relative position to the earth. So stop believing the hype and realize that Al Gore is doing this simply because he is bitter about losing the election, which by the way HE DID LOSE. This is purely a political spin, and he is trying to place the entire myth of his version of global warming in this administration. There is NO WAY on earth that the United States is singel handedly responsible for global warming. I have been to other countries around the world and trust me, they emit A LOT more toxins into the atmosphere than we do. So don’t listen to that idiot. He invented the internet remeber? Now he is inventing Global Warming. Go drive your car as much as you’d like. Carbon dioxide (CO2) is the principal gas that trees and other plants need to survive, just like oxygen (O2) is the principle gas that humans and other animals require. Trees absorb CO2 and release O2– animals inhale O2 and exhale CO2. See how nice this all works!
Carbon dioxide is invisible. The puffs of clouds you see from coal-fired power plants are just that– clouds. Powerplants use steam to drive the turbines which generate electricity. Steam must be cooled and condensed to water to reuse it to make more steam.
The fat, curvy towers that look like they are belching white smoke are really only emitting pure water vapor. They are in effect making clouds.
The actual exhaust emissions come from the smokestack, which is the tall skinny tower. Because modern technology makes it possible to remove much of the fly ash and sulfur before releasing smokestack gases to the air, smokestack emissons today are often almost invisible.
January 25th, 2007 at 12:00 pmI happen to be a scientist, Marine Biologist to be a little more precise. The theories of global warming use statistics and poor modeling to make their case. They blame CO2 and other gases that absorb heat. What they do not tell you is the real physics behind the model. CO2 does absorb heat energy but so does cars painted black. A very popular color of the people who are buying into the GWT. Just try touching one at high noon.
Clouds absorb great amounts of heat and form an insulation blanket to keep the heat in. Lets see someone regulate clouds.
“The polar ice caps are melting” they cry. What happens during the winter months of the poles? No sunlight remember? Gets real cold with no sun at all. Polar ice caps melt? Not hardly. The alarmists count on people not have taken even general science in school.
If you allow someone or a group of people to control you by fear then you are not much more than their slaves. They laugh all the way to the bank. By the way check out what kind of cars they drive or ride in. When I see someone really working on reducing their energy consumption, they have little time to shout “the sky is falling”.
Do we need a clean environment? Yes, so start by cleaning up you part of the world first. Use less energy? Yes, so switch to high output LED lights and really cut your energy costs. I have been in homes that during the summer it is 72 and during the winter it is 85. Come on folks, try 78 to 80 for a change. Use some insulation instead of more heating oil. There are solar and wind powered homes that use no outside source of generated power. The costs are about the same either way you go. Solar power has a high price up front with low cost after construction. Standard electric house has lower cost up front but high cost of use. Result is about the same over the life of a home.
The ozone hole is another good example of people not knowing simple things. It takes sunlight in the form of high energy UV, 3 O2 molecules to make 2 molecules of ozone. You get “ozone warnings” during the summer not winter. With no sun light at the poles for 6 months at a time there is no ozone production so there had better be a “hole” there. The “chicken little’s” fail to mention that little bit of science.
The fact is they count on the ignorance of others to gain power over them. Power and money, that is what this is really all about. They want power over you and they want your money at the same time.
January 27th, 2007 at 7:48 amChicken little missed out on global warming.
January 29th, 2007 at 10:50 pmlet economists stick to what they know, money and ecologists stick with what they know, global warming!!! One knows what’s really going on, the other just wants to save thier arse and pockets…
February 2nd, 2007 at 9:00 pmthe only reason there’s global warming is because gore’s blowin’ hot air
February 13th, 2007 at 12:18 pmyaaaaaaawn
February 17th, 2007 at 7:48 pmSetting examples is the most effective way to support what you believe in. How does Al Gore live his life? What does he drive? How often does he fly? What about his supporters? What examples do they set for America? Blowing hard is not going to help the problem of global warming.
February 27th, 2007 at 11:24 amGolbal warming has caused hurracane katrina and their town was destroyed and when i saw the hurracane people just looked like they have lost their minds. When the ice caps become extermenated live like, flowers-
February 28th, 2007 at 9:28 amgrass and other trees will die and people might souffacate from their Failures. life is all about chocies and most people pick the worst choice in history. remember that the fate of the world is in the oil copanies hands and they have two choises either reject the truth for personal greed and for
personal gratification and watch the world cruble beneth them. if greed and death is what the oil companeys want, they will most likely lose most of their money to rebuild the world, (i mean if the world survives all that is being said from the scientist point of veiw) if global warming is as bad or worse than it is going to be a century that will be rememered for all time
If people do not try to prevent Global Warming insted of facing the truth
of it the problem will be mutiplied Ten fold. the more junk people put in the atmosphere the longer it will take for the planet to recover from lethal devestation and abuse. we are abusing the planet earth, we are messing with things that should not be played around with. this planet is the only planet tha we know of that life can withstand(Exept mars) .the earth is in a dangerus state of health. People will DIE A result of their actions.if people wish to live on another planet they can see how inportant this planet is to us and everything that lives on it. people picked the way of DEATH Aand people have the power to make this planet a DREAM
Golbal warming has caused hurracane katrina and their town was destroyed and when i saw the hurracane people just looked like they have lost their minds. When the ice caps become extermenated live like, flowers-
February 28th, 2007 at 9:40 amgrass and other trees will die and people might souffacate from their Failures. life is all about chocies and most people pick the worst choice in history. remember that the fate of the world is in the oil copanies hands and they have two choises either reject the truth for personal greed and for
personal gratification and watch the world cruble beneth them. if greed and death is what the oil companeys want, they will most likely lose most of their money to rebuild the world, (i mean if the world survives all that is being said from the scientist point of veiw) if global warming is as bad or worse than it is going to be a century that will be rememered for all time
If people do not try to prevent Global Warming insted of facing the truth
of it the problem will be mutiplied Ten fold. the more junk people put in the atmosphere the longer it will take for the planet to recover from lethal devestation and abuse. we are abusing the planet earth, we are messing with things that should not be played around with. this planet is the only planet tha we know of that life can withstand(Exept mars) .the earth is in a dangerus state of health. People will DIE A result of their actions.if people wish to live on another planet they can see how inportant this planet is to us and everything that lives on it. people picked the way of DEATH and people have the power to make this planet a NICE place to live, or we can also have the power to DESTORY this planet and every thing on it.(kinda like (HELL). People get what they ask for by the way they act.seince 1900
people have chosen to abuse to change the way the atmosphere operates when it was working fine. If we do not stop global warming now we will face damage and losses on a galactic scale.Their is no hiding from global warming once it is executed, we will be DOOMED to unbelivable FAILURE.
I am 48 years old, and I have seen much change in our world. I can say that people like Dr.David Suzuki, and now Mr. Al gore, trying to save this planet from our selves, shows good intentions are nice and all that. However it’s too late for us as a speiceis. The palnet will survive. and new speiceis will come about sooner or later. That is unless we shut off all of the smoke stacks, and stop throwing chemicals into the environment today not tomorrow or next week or next month. If we do not, next year week can look back and say that we as speiceis have failed and we can look forwards the next one hundred years as we slowly die from what we did to our selves. For many years in the last century we were worried about nuclear inialation. Ha! this will be alot worse. Good by. Sorry bout the spelling.
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