Exxon-Backed Pundit Compares Gore To Nazi Propagandist
Exxon-Backed Pundit Compares Gore To Nazi Propagandist
Sterling Burnett is a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, an organization that has received over $390,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998. This afternoon on Fox, Burnett compared watching Al Gore’s movie, An Inconvenient Truth, to watching a movie by Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels to learn about Nazi Germany. Watch it:
ExxonMobil doesn’t have a substantive answer to Gore’s movie, so it bankrolls people like Burnett to smear Gore personally.
Dutifully, Burnett recently wrote an editorial defending former Exxon CEO Lee Raymond’s lavish compensation (which amounted to $190,000 a day in 2005). He failed to mention his financial connection to the company.
Transcript:
That’s the problem. If I thought Al Gore’s movie was as you like to say, fair and balanced, I’d say, everyone should go see it. But why go see propaganda? You don’t go see Joseph Goebbels’ films to see the truth about Nazi Germany. You don’t go see Al Gore’s films to see the truth about global warming.
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"...and you don't watch FOX to get the truth."
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:08 pmHey look, it is fat bastard number 2!
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:10 pmexcuse #2 Gore rhymes with bore, therefore anything Gore does is boring, including the movie...i'll straighten my tie and get on fox to say this
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:10 pmLee Raymond being fat bastard number 1, of course.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:11 pma logical conundrum: if a liar calls something a lie, is it a fact? if a propogandist organ accuses something of being propoganda -- does that make a truth?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:12 pmLee Raymond is fat bastard number 1, of course.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:12 pmHe will drown right along with the rest of us. Probably sooner seeing what a fat ass he is.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:13 pmI wonder how many "Hey you look like Michael Moore" comments he gets. And it probably drives him nuts.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:15 pmIs that is ASS or his face?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmMaybe his neck's throwing up, which is what usually happens
to me when the 'F' channel comes spewing into my living room.
Defend Lee Raymond's salary?
Defend Exxon's push at disinformation?
Where do they find these guys.
Caption Contest of the Day...
'Look! I can fart though my mouth!'
Judd may not like it, but both of the last two quoted sentneces are true, without intending any implication that Gore is some kind of Nazi. He is not a Nazi, of course, and Burnett never said that he was one. But Gore is the purveyor of one of the biggest lies of our time. For more facts on this subject, see http://eteam.ncpa.org/news/new-study-points-to-an-inconvenient-truth-about-global-warming and http://www.cei.org/gencon/030,05331.cfm.
These site do, indeed, demonstrate the inconvenient truth about Al Gore's twisted environmental scare tactics. It is Al Gore who is betraying us, by his efforts to undermine the American economy. Judd ought to be ashaned that he supports such a fool.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:16 pmhow much lower is fox going to go? is it even possible, I mean really....
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:17 pmBlue State Red - why don't you spew your utter bullshit somewhere else. I would prefer to listen to CLIMATE SCIENTISTS, rather than bushretards.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:18 pmFOX News whores are going crazy today! What is in the Bush lovers Kool-Aid I wonder?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:19 pmBTW, that business about Burnett's compensation is nothing more than a one-sided cheap shot. It was Gore, not Burnett, who just took an entire entourage to Cannes for the premiere of his worthless propaganda piece. Would TP care to do an anlysis of who earns more from promoting his views on this issue - Burnett or Gore? No? I thought not.
When it comes to the truth, TP is always MIA.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmCan I just say Think Progress is ON FIRE today with their screen captures. The pictures of O'Leilly, Cavuto, etc. are priceless.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmthey are real scared aren't they? now they will start making some big mistakes, should be real informing to watch them.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:21 pmi love it, the cei (in partnership with aei, pnac, etc) is quoted as a source for 'facts' but al gore, who does not profit from us stopping global warming (while the corrupt repug machine does in fact profit due to global warming) tries to peddle the bullshit because they PROFIT from global warming. how does al gore get anything out of this?
if anyone is harming the economy, it's the corrupt pug machine and it's trillion dollar hole in the iraqi desert.
way to go pugs. not only do you show your ignorance and greed, you prove it too!
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmWOW! The paid shills are really out today. Too bad there's not a single peer-reviewed study that backs up CEI's claim that global warming is simply a natural phenomenon.
But hey, Blue State Red, keep on trucking, brother! Maybe they'll discover that the earth is actually flat, the moon really is made of cheese, and the current President was, in fact, born in Texas.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:23 pmGuy in the pic is so fat he has no neck > wow is he the son of Exxon's fat slob Raymond?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmso wait, bsr, you are arguing that no one can predict the weather, so as a result, al gore is lying?
keep watching fox, something has to entertain you after sesame street is over
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmGlobal warming is this guy in a sauna.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmBSR: Gore isn't making any money from this movie. It's all being donated.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pmWell, like the Exxon ads say, "Carbon Dioxide, some see pollution, we see life!"
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmI would prefer to listen to CLIMATE SCIENTISTS, rather than bushretards.
Then I'm sure you will enjoy the sites I referred to above. Since you seem incapable fo finding them yourself, I consider it my civic duty to assist you.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmTHOSE OIL GUYS ARE ALL FAT, AREN'T THEY?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmWhen All Is Lost...
invoke Godwin's Law...
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:27 pmBSR - refer back just a couple of days here for how CEI is funded by Exxon.
Your global warming denial crowd is getting shrill because reality is intruding into your bubble. The truth is going to steamroll you all.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:27 pmI think all these fat bastards got that way since they heard McDonalds was healthy!
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmfolks, let's lay off on the poor fellow. it is fox that is melting, and we should watch it so we will know how fascist news organizations face their demise. it will be a sociological marvel to watch them implode. don't think we can foresee Alan Colmes being the "go to guy" anytime soon, but you will see some marked changes as their video clips come back to haunt them this year
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmI think for myself.
I'm not gonna listen to SHULTZ critique a movie he's paid to debunk.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:28 pmPost 25 it is all the caviar they eat and gallons of champagne to wash it down > makes them very corpulant and plump > lol.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:29 pmHere's an idea for an alternative fuel source...
How 'bout we round up all of these right-wing pundits/propagandists/smear artists and have them all just talk into a machine that converts all of their hot air into energy.
We could probably keep the lights on in the entire state of California with just these guys the oil industry has deployed to "counter" Al Gore and An Inconvenient Truth
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:29 pmto Blue State Red:
Give it up, buddy. Both ncpa and cei are funded by exxonmobil. Find an scholarly article in a reputable, juried scientific journal to refute Gore. Otherwise, peddle your balloon juice elsewhere.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 pma truly inconvenient truth is thinking that the propagandists of cei and ncpa somehow are more competent to investigate global warming phenomenon than is the actual scientific community.
... and I must say it takes some huevos grande for anyone on foxnews to call someone else goebbels.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:32 pmGore must really be on to something good, if they are pulling out all these hired guns. They can't debate, so they attack. So how much is Exxon and the oil industry paying Fox and this guy to make crap up and attack, attack, attack.
Go Gore!!!
Wow, that guy knows Fox: if Fox was as you like to say, fair and balanced, I’d say, everyone should go see it... But... they know whence they came.
I'm no fan of Michael Moore or O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter and the likes, but those with perspective and reason, know this is something entirely different. I loved Gore's book "Earth in the Balance". Gore has more experience, knowledge, and research than Fox has in its pinky.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:32 pmAnswer the question, Blue State Red: Did Sterling Burnett's organization receive over $390,000 from ExxonMobil since '98? There goes his credibility, as well as yours. Of course, he didn't actually refute anything Gore said to begin with.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:33 pmOh, yea. Another thing, BSR. Nice swerving the conversation away from the initial, OUTRAGEOUS comparison between Gore and Goebbels
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:33 pmEbert and Roepper and Burnett? Nah, two thumbs are enough...
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:33 pmHey Sterling (what a misnomer),
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:34 pmWhy hasn't EXXON paid the 4.5 BILLION dollars
for toxcifying our Alaskan coastline yet?
That was nearly THREE DECADES AGO!
Caption #2...
'Is it getting warm in here or am I imploding?'
Typical - can't attack the message, so attack the messenger.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmThis guy is a paid spokesman for the oil industry, which eh doesn't own up to, and he slanders Gore, who has worked for years on environmental issues, as a propagandist.
The entire Fox network is Bush-shit propaganda.
It looks like his neck is trying to blow a balding bubble.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmDear BSR,
What does it feel like to when you wake up at 3am, look in mirror and realise that you are a propaganda whore for the greedy selfish men who pay you to lie?
Repent and save your soul while you still can.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 pmI think Lee raymond looks like Jabba the Hutt. and that idiot Jabber jaws
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 pmBurnett needs to shut up his piehole.
Caption Contest:
Sterling Burnett, now weighing in at a cool 300 lbs. claims he lost 60% of his mass due to the increase in carbon dioxide within the atmosphere.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:37 pm#10 - the CEI is "A pro-market, public policy group". Basically, they are special interest "whores" for the market and industry.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Competitive_Enterprise_Institute
CEI was founded in March 1984. In 1986, it began its "free market legal program," which seeks to overturn government regulations that the CEI regards as inappropriate, such as regulations pertaining to drug safety, rent control, and automobile fuel efficiency (see the case study, Fuel efficiency standards and the laws of physics.
In March 1996, CEI's Michelle Malkin and Michael Fumento published "Rachel's Folly," which claims that dioxin is good for you.
In 1997, CEI's Adler lobbied Congress to cut off federal funding for the National Fish and Wildlife Foundation. In July, it participated in an anti-environmental summit sponsored by the conservative Western States Coalition in Spokane, Washington. Under the theme of "Responsible Legislation Through Education: Solutions That Work," the conference showcased Michael Sanera's attacks on environmental education. Ironically, while much of the conference focused on the alleged indoctrination of school children by environmentalists, the event featured a "trade show" of industry-sponsored K-12 curricula and materials.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pm"The paid shills are really out today."
Oh, they're not paid shills.
They're volunteers for the fossil fuel industries' F.U.D. campaign.
Suckers. Dupes. Useful idiots.
If you read enough Ayn Rand, your frontal lobes decay to the point where you confuse pleasing rationalizations for fact, and come to believe that grovelling worship of the powerful is the same as defending liberty.
In ten years they'll be in the same boat as the pathetic ideologues who still maintain that cigarettes don't cause health problems.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pmBy the way, Blue State Red, how much is ExxonMobil paying you? Hope that's all getting reported to the IRS...
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pmBSR: Gore isn’t making any money from this movie. It’s all being donated.
What exactly is being donated and to whom? Who gets credit for the donations? Who benefits from any marketing of related products? Who is paying for the production "expenses?" Who is paying for Al Gore's trip to Cannes? Maybe Gore can afford to donate proceeds from the movie because he is independently wealthy - an his income stream includes revenues from oil company stocks. You haven't even begun to analyze these issues, Judd, and you never intended to do so. That's what makes your post a cheap shot.
BTW, since you raised the issue of Burnett's alleged corruption, how about separate threads for Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA) and other corrupt Democtrats? It’s kinda hard to get excited about TP’s corruption complaints when TP never devotes equal time to ethically challenged Democrats like Mollohan and Jefferson.
Then there’s the DNC’s decision to throw its weight behind failed mayoral candidate Mitch (â€Mary Had a Little Brotherâ€) Landrieu, and “Credit Chuck†Schumer’s decision to throw Paul Hackett under the bus. Come to think of it, Schumer’s illegal foray into the confidential credit file of Lt. Gov. Michael Steele (R-MD) also deserved a thread of its own - one that TP never saw fit to provide. But given the opportunity, I’m quite sure that someone will be able to explain how virtue and honor were served by these events.
I shouldn’t be surprised at TP's silence on these issues. Moral relativism is so rampant on the left that almost any evil - including political corruption - becomes an “eye of the beholder†kind of thing.
Time to go. Wake me up when you decide to be fair and balanced.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pmI consider it my civic duty to assist you.
Comment by Blue State Red — May 23, 2006 @ 3:26 pm
Too bad your civic duty doesn't seem to include military service for you or our family. how is you boy doing? I still have those army brochures, just need to know where to send them BSr
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmIts unbelieveable how the people who will not even think about accepting the scientific studies from all of the renowned institutions that say that global warming is happening and it is hapening from human activity. Its not like science just came out of nowhere funded by left-wing activists that want.....oh I don't know to help the planet stay habitable. BSR and his ilk really are scared little shut-ins that are afraid of anything that challenges their way of thinking. That or they are paid to say what they say. Either way waste of a brain.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pmThen I’m sure you will enjoy the sites I referred to above. Since you seem incapable fo finding them yourself, I consider it my civic duty to assist you.
Perhaps the best source of scientific information on the web re: global-warming is http://www.realclimate.org.
However, the material there demands more of an attention-span than Blue-State Red would ever be able to muster, so it most likely won't do him much good. But I'd strongly recommend that the rest of the folks here check it out -- pretty much everything that a mindless global-warming denier is likely to spew is thoroughly debunked there.
In particular, check out this realclimate.org article for a thorough demolition of the CEI's latest bunch of anti-global-warming swill. Most of the article, unfortunately, will most likely sail over BSR's head, but the rest of you should find it enlightening.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:41 pmI will defend this guy on precisely one basis: fat. Fat has nothing to do with it. I'm fatter than he is, no question. Fattitude has nothing to do with it.
On the other hand, I'm not evil.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:41 pm"BTW, since you raised the issue of Burnett’s alleged corruption"
Once again, answer the question, Blue State Red: Did Sterling Burnett’s organization receive over $390,000 from ExxonMobil since ‘98?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:41 pmCaption #3:
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:42 pm'Pat Robertson can bench press me with one leg'
Hey BSR:
That link you promote does not contain any work by any of the well known climate scientists, but by paid shills from Exxon-Mobil. In case you really want to study the effects of warming (which I doubt you do), read up this site
http://www.realclimate.org/
Oh yeah, these are the credentials of the guys who promote this site
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?cat=10
They are all accredited climate scientists who are published in peer reviewed journals (does your kind even know what that means ?)
Anyway, I do not think it's my duty to educate self-lobotomized Bush-lovers, but then it doesnt hurt to try, does it now ?
BTW, I have a PhD in Engineering and work in the industry (although not in the Environmental/Climate Science Areas), I publish regularly and my technical training allows me to sift through and distinguish between scientific fact and talking points. So, please do not spew your red-state BS here and waste bandwidth.
The research and development which we (as in Dem voting Scientists and Engineers) do allow you to enjoy cheap computing power and the internet, so, please so us a favor and put it to good use by educating yourself and ridding yourself of the foot-in-the-mouth disease.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:42 pmI've seen the name Blue State Red here before. Dude, I'm not gonna get into it with you, but I am gonna ask you a question, one that I'm pretty sure CEI and their corporate masters never ask.
How badly do you want your kids and grandkids to be able to breathe?
Because that's the chance we're taking here. Republican, Democrat, rich, poor, white, black, redneck, elitist, none of it matters five days after you run out of potable water, or five minutes after you run out of breathable air.
If you really think the profit-driven oil companies are going to do anything about that, well, I wish you luck. But I hope you'll understand if I work for the other side of the argument rather than chance on the goodwill and public spirit of ExxonMobil.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:45 pmOh. My. God. If the energy companies spent as much trying to improve their environmental standards as they do smearing everyone and anyone who speaks out about the TRUTH of global warming then maybe we'd have it all worked out by now.
If Faux News failed to report Burnett's deep ties to ExxonMobil then they are even less credible then I already believed.
Science is on our side; the evidence is clear, and there are few if any scientists who are in any doubt about the reality of global warming, save those who receive big $$$$ from the oil companies.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmAnd you don't go to Sterling Burnett for advice on male sexual attractiveness.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmFind an scholarly article in a reputable, juried scientific journal to refute Gore. Otherwise, peddle your balloon juice elsewhere.
It doesn't matter whether I cite CEI, or NCPA, or Bjorn Lomborg ("The Skeptical Environmentalist"), or Freedom 21 Santa Cruz (http://www.freedom21santacruz.net/site/article.php?sid=17), or Frederick Seitz's Petiton Project (http://www.oism.org/pproject), or any of a dozen other sources. You will still plug your ears and cover your eyes and protest that the debunking of the global warming myth just ain't so. Go ahead, live in denial. Just don'e try to impose it on me.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmYo Blue State Red
Then there’s the DNC’s decision to throw its weight behind failed mayoral candidate Mitch (â€Mary Had a Little Brotherâ€) Landrieu
This was a made-up smear that has been retracted by Drudge; see
The rest of your stuff is trying to change the subject.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:50 pm"Time to go. Wake me up when...."
BSR, do you feel a coma coming on? Might wanna check your blood sugar level......
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:50 pmWhat a porker! Oink! Oink!
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:51 pmThat whole "Gore took an entourage to the premiere" garbage was an unfounded lie by Drudge which has since been retracted as the real truth is that they WALKED to the theatre, but that didn't stop people from accepting the bullshit.
What was that about doing more research?
RIIIIIIIIIIGHT....
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmAnswer the question, Blue State Red: Did Sterling Burnett’s organization receive over $390,000 from ExxonMobil since ‘98?
I don't know. Has Al Gore received millions of dollars in oil stocks and oil stock revenues over the years? If both things are true, who's the hypocrite?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:52 pmThat whole “Gore took an entourage to the premiere†garbage was an unfounded lie by Drudge which has since been retracted as the real truth is that they WALKED to the theatre
By "they" I assume you are referring to Gore and his entourage.
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:57 pmFrederick Seitz’s Petiton Project (http://www.oism.org/pproject), or any of a dozen other sources...
That OISM petition???? What a $#@! joke! Amongst the "scientists" who signed that petition are dentists and veterinarians! BSR, do you really think that someone who has been trained to snip off Fido's gonads is a credible climate-science expert?
May 23rd, 2006 at 3:58 pmThere seems to be a deafening silence from the coal industry. The policy implication of greenhouse gas induced global warming is that we should stop using all fossil fuels, not just oil. And this country uses just about as much coal as oil. But we get this kind of defensiveness from the oil industry, and I haven't heard peep from the coal industry. Wonder why.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:00 pmGore Unveils $125 Billion Energy Plan
Just think, with Gore as President, we could have spent $125 Billion to help ease pollution and lessen our dependence on foreign oil, instead, we are spending $400+ billion on a pointless war in Iraq.
If Gore has alot of investments in Oil and Gas companies, he isn't promoting policies to increase the value much. I don't know, must of your other points are worthless right-wing smears that are demonstratively false, so this point probably is too.
BSR, you truly have no conscience
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:03 pmJust ask BSr about his heroic military service, that usually shuts him up.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:04 pmMmmm... Jefferson. Way to go off-topic there :-p
But as for him (Jefferson)... well, to me the case is pretty open-and-shut. He's on video accepting a bribe from an informant, they found the money in his freezer, he's guilty -- lock him up and throw away the key. What is there to talk about?
The Burnett/CEI thing... again, it looks kinda scummy from here. The CEI gets a whole lot of money from Exxon/Mobil. Ergo, they profit by some back-scratching in return (assuming, of course, that they are not outright a front group). Again, can you find a single peer-reviewed journalistic study that "debunks" global warming claims? Preferrably in a journal that gets high marks for its review process, but any would be a start.
As for Gore's film... well, I seem to recall the "taking an entourage to the showing" claim a few days ago; it was debunked -- they walked.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:05 pmHey BSR...
Maybe Jefferson doesn't get his own space here just yet simply because his crimes haven't reached the level of, oh, say, Duke Cunningham. Funny what you find at the end of a Yahoo! news story about Jefferson:
Republican Randy "Duke" Cunningham of California, a Vietnam-era jetfighter ace, was sentenced in March to more than eight years in prison for accepting bribes on a scale unparalleled in the history of Congress.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmBSR, do you really think that someone who has been trained to snip off Fido’s gonads is a credible climate-science expert?
I don't know. Do you think that someone like Al Gore, who thinks he invented the Internet, who was a bag man for some Buddhist monks, who employs "alpha male" consultants, and who is a trained lapdog of the environmental left, is a "credible climate-science expert"? Al Gore is a product of the Jim Crow South, a child of privilege who has never distinguished himself in any field of endeavor. The fact that you believe anything he says tells us a whole lot more about you than it does about me.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:08 pmBlue State Jerk,
Yes as we all know Gore was undermining our economy for 8 years in the 90s.
That's why the economy was so horrible under Clinton/Gore.
BTW is there a bigger asshole than you on the face of the Earth?
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:09 pmSorry, Godfry. Fat floats. Otherwise everything else you wrote was o.k.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:10 pmOr his sexual orientation.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:11 pmBack on topic...
If Burnett and his group had been supporting Gore's documentary, what would BSR and the trolls be saying?
"Oh, he's just a paid shill. He's a hypocrite because his group accepted money from ExxonMobil."
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:11 pmYou know, it makes perfect sense that people like Blue State Red are peddling their lies harder and harder these days. Deep down, in places where they don't like to talk about, these guys are scared shitless. They know that when -- not if, but when -- the American public finally starts to realize that the Rush LimbaughBillO'ReillySeanHannityMichaelSavage Progapanda Machine has sold them nothing but a pack of lies on global warming, there won't be a police force in the world that will be able to stop the angry mobs from seeking them, and their supporters (such as Blue State Red), for some very public, and very gruesome, public executions.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:12 pm...a child of privilege who has never distinguished himself in any field of endeavor. The fact that you believe anything he says tells us a whole lot more about you than it does about me.
Comment by Blue State Red — May 23, 2006 @ 4:08 pm
Damn...for a minute there I could have sworn you were talking about George Bush!
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:13 pmBlue State Nuts,
Did you get this our of your ass?
"an his income stream includes revenues from oil company stocks."
Gore does not own a single oil company stock, asshole.
Gore was not wealthy while in office. And his post-2000 wealth comes mostly from Apple, Google. The two best companies in the world. Unlike ExxonMobil.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:16 pm"I don’t know. Has Al Gore received millions of dollars in oil stocks and oil stock revenues over the years? If both things are true, who’s the hypocrite? "
Care to come up with a response that actually makes sense? And more importantly, BSR, are you going to stop ducking the point of the original post, that a paid shill for ExxonMobile compared Gore to a Nazi?
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:17 pm"A child of privilege who has never distinguished himself in any field of endeavor" actually better describes someone else, someone formerly affiliated with Yale, the Texas Air National Guard, the Harvard Business School, the Texas Rangers, and Arbusto, who happened to be appointed by the Supreme Court in 2000.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:17 pmSo what we have here, is a guy who has accepted thousands of dollars from the oil industry, telling us that global warming caused by human made pollution is a myth. This follows the statement by Bush that we "need to set aside" global warming science. The biggest problem we face, is the deep pockets of the oil companies, and the greed of individual people. Instead of honestly assessing the impact of humanity on our environment, we are reduced to quoting junk science and political partisian ideas. We may be lost.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:18 pmcomic book guy was unavailable for comment.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:19 pm"It doesn’t matter whether I cite CEI, or NCPA, or Bjorn Lomborg (â€The Skeptical Environmentalistâ€), or Freedom 21 Santa Cruz (http://www.freedom21santacruz.net/site/article.php?sid=17), or Frederick Seitz’s Petiton Project (http://www.oism.org/pproject), or any of a dozen other sources."
Again, I want to see a PEER-REVIEWED journal with an article. Petitions aren't good enough -- I want a study that has been published and reviewed by a reputable scientific journal, preferrably within one of the relevant academic fields ("Science" does all right, but it tends to be too broad in scope). CEI is a POLITICAL group -- a lobbying organization; that's not a good scientific source.
Bjorn Lomborg... I look at the credentials and I see "M.A. in political science (Cand.scient.pol.) 1991. Ph.D. at the Department of Political Science, University of Copenhagen. 1994." A political science degree, NOT a degree in any of the fields that would relate to climate change. That doesn't really say "environmentalist" to me; how about you? His other work revolves around the application of welfare economics to global problems. Moreover, in relation to the "skeptical environmentalist", he's had some complaints lodged against him for scientific dishonesty -- accused of both the use of misleading data and flawed conclusions. THE RESULT was a verdict in 2003 by the Danish Committee on Scientific Dishonesty that the book was "scientifically dishonest" (Bjorn Lomborg was considered not at fault because... wait for it... it wasn't his field he was writing in). According to the wiki entry, the elements included fabrication of data, selective citation, deliberately misleading data, distorted conclusions, plagarism (!!!), deliberate misinterpretation of others' results (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bjorn_Lomborg). To be clear though, after he filed a complaint, the decision was voided on procedural grounds, and there was no decision to re-examine (because he was found 'not guilty' in the first place).
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 pm#72. Show me evidence that Al Gore thinks he invented the Internet. A transcript will be fine, but not hearsay.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:22 pmDon't pay attention to this guy. He is a time waster, he's posted similar rhetoric in multiple other blogs. Really, there is no point in addressing his posts.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:22 pmBSR said...
The fact that you believe anything he says tells us a whole lot more about you than it does about me.
It is a simple matter for scientifcally literate folks to verify that Al Gore's claims about global-warming are backed by real climate-scientists. When it comes to global-warming, nobody has to take Gore's word for anything -- they can consult the climatology literature themselves to verify that Gore is correct.
And of course, Al Gore never claimed to have "invented" the internet. What he *did* claim is that he provided crucial political leadership (funding, legislation) that made the Internet what it is today. Anyone familiar with the history of the Internet realizes that Gore played a very important *political* role in the development of the Internet.
You don't believe me? Then just ask Vinton Cerf.
The "Gore said he invented the Internet" claim is so manifestly stupid that you should be too embarrassed to bring it up.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:24 pmAnother great example of PR pollution. Unreal.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmThanks for the coverage – I'll be linking it over at the DeSmogBlog.
Dear BSR..
Your jousting at windmills dude..Gore has his own financial group which ONLY puts money into companies that are doing something about Global Warming..and..his Think Tank recently enlisted THREE repubes who aren't as narrow-minded as you apparently are:
Brent Scowcroft, national-security adviser to presidents George H.W. Bush and Gerald Ford, Lee Thomas, EPA chief under Ronald Reagan, and Teddy Roosevelt IV, venture capitalist and great-grandson of his namesake, the GOP president.
Global warming shouldn't be a partisan issue..only the repubes and Faux news makes it one.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmthese guys are scared shitless...
Comment by Gramma Millie — May 23, 2006 @ 4:12 pm
Here Here Gramma!!!
This does seem to be a very strange phenomenon... I don't remember this much organized resistance to Fahrenheit 911.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:26 pmHeh. I digressed a bit -- looking up Lomborg was interesting.
NCPA is a political policy group -- again, NOT an academic source at all. It's work is to influence the political tide, not to perform strict scientific studies.
"Freedom 21 Santa Cruz is a freedom policy center that celebrates the principles of self governance and individual liberty which inspired the Declaration of Independence. We are individuals who advance the freedom of all by promoting the protection of unalienable rights in local, state, and national government."
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmTime to boycott Exxon. They are plowing their obscene profits into more deceptive ads and lobbyists, meanwhile they have not paid to clean the mess from the Exxon Valdez.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmWow. Who needs comedy central when you have Burnett belching into a microphone.
I see that CEI was not wanting to go down alone. Toss the anchor to NCPA.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:31 pmWow. Who needs comedy central when you have Burnett belching into a microphone?
I see that CEI was not wanting to go down alone. Toss the anchor to NCPA.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:31 pmDear Blue State Red:
Please get help. Its out there. Your self-loathing is hard to watch. You are in my prayers.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:36 pmBSR, you keep trying to spew these right-wing talking points, that have no basis in reality.
What Gore said,
"During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet." - Al Gore
What does Vint Cerf, the inventor of the Internet Protocol have to say about Gore...
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:37 pm
Global warming to people like this happy troll here is nothing but an opinion - much akin to their stance on evolution. They have no regard for the scientific method whatsoever, so it's not surprising the stuff they will try to pass off as 'science'. After all, science to them is either 'observations and numbers that I can use to support my position' or 'observation and numbers that I cannot use to support my position and therefore must label as junk'.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:41 pmseems the only real question for BSR is ' when and where did you see Gores movie?
come on back after you do.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:41 pmOne fart from that guy will raise the ocean levels 40 feet.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:41 pmBOYCOTT EXXON. I'm realling liking the way that sounds. Among the foul slag of oil companies, they are the worst of the filthy worst. They really distinguish themselves in bottom-of-the-barrel pure eviltude. Think I'll start today.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:42 pm#99 - Geez, I just got back from lunch...
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:44 pm$390,000 from Exxon Mobil, what is that $100,000 per chin?
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:46 pmWould you care for just one more wafer-thin chocolate mint Mr. Creosote?
!kaboom!
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:48 pmOf course, the Republicans always project their own traits and misdeeds upon the Dems. That's how they cope with who and what they are. And, what better comparison do we have to the Nazi's of Germany than our current administration?
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:49 pmI cannot wait to see this movie. I hope it plays to packed houses for weeks!
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:52 pmreferences to al gore and the internet:
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:54 pm>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://www.dailyhowler.com/h032699_1.shtml
Here is what the VP said when he chatted with Wolf on March 9:
GORE: During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.
And of course Gore did take the lead, within the Congress, in promoting and advancing the technical developments that have led to our now-beloved Net. Here’s what Internet guru Vinton Cerf told the Post’s John Schwartz:
SCHWARTZ: Vinton G. Cerf, a senior vice president at MCI Worldcom and the person most often called “the father of the Internet†for his part in designing the network’s common computer language, said in an e-mail interview yesterday, “I think it is very fair to say that the Internet would not be where it is in the United States without the strong support given it and related research areas by the vice president in his current role and in his earlier role as senator.â€
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http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/
GORE: ... During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. ...
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http://www.interesting-people.org/archives/interesting-people/200009/msg00052.html
From: vinton g. cerf
As you know, there have been a seemingly unending series of jokes chiding the vice president for his assertion that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet." Bob and I believe that the vice president deserves significant credit for his early recognition of the importance of what has become the Internet.
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http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh120302.shtml
On September 1, 2000, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich addressed the American Political Science Association. His remarks were broadcast on C-SPAN:
GINGRICH: In all fairness, it’s something Gore had worked on a long time. Gore is not the Father of the Internet, but in all fairness, Gore is the person who, in the Congress, most systematically worked to make sure that we got to an Internet, and the truth is—and I worked with him starting in 1978 when I got [to Congress], we were both part of a “futures groupâ€â€”the fact is, in the Clinton administration, the world we had talked about in the ’80s began to actually happen.
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it's pretty clear that Al Gore does not think he invented the internet. it's equally clear that Newt Gingrich and Vinton Cerf think Gore's remarks are absolutely accurate.
When the ocean levels rise maybe we can use him for a raft, or a cruise ship.
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:55 pm…a child of privilege who has never distinguished himself in any field of endeavor. The fact that you believe anything he says tells us a whole lot more about you than it does about me.
Damn, BSR, you should have been a speechwriter for John Kerry in 2004!
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmJust to provide info on Gore's financial group:
May 23rd, 2006 at 4:59 pmFrom an article on Wired's website. Along the way, Gore has become a neo-green entrepreneur, taking his messianic faith in the power of technology to stop global warming and applying it to an ecofriendly investment firm. The company, Generation Investment Management, which he cofounded nearly two years ago, puts money into businesses that are positioned to capitalize on the carbon-constrained economy Gore and his partners see coming in the near future
I wonder if they cut Sterling's legs off to fatten him up like they do baby calves for veal. mmmm veal
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmThe only problem I can foresee with a Gore - Feingold ticket in 2008 is they are good guys. They could never lie and cheat like republicans. They could never spread false information to win. Then again...with republicans like Frist and McCain, the truth is all they will need!!!
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:04 pmOne of the most disgusting flaws of this pervasive, corporatist, neocon agenda is their notion that "conflict of interest" is a non-issue.
Remember how - just a month ago - Justice Scalia insisted that those who don't trust judges to recuse themselves from cases involving THEIR OWN FRIGGIN' FRIENDS "Should get a life"...? Unreal. The standard is that even the mere *appearance* of conflict of interest should lead the judge to recuse himself/herself.
Impartiality and independence are so far removed from the modern lexicon that I begin to wonder if anyone knows WTF the two terms even mean.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmRemember - it's Fox, not facts.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmAccording to BSR, Pete DuPont--heir to the chemical fortune--is a "climate expert."
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:17 pmLook at the rear end of a pig, lift its curly tail, look into its eye, and tell me it doesn't look exactly like Sterling Burnett's mouth.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmIf the Right is going to compare Al Gore to Joseph Goebbels, we should be quite comfortable comparing President Bush and the Radical Right to the Taliban.
For the details, see:
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:27 pm"American Taliban."
Blue State Red-who pays you? If you're doing this for free you are a FOOL! GOOD MONEY goes to peddle your horseshit, so if you're dumb enough to volunteer I've got JUST the place for you to volunteer. It's called IRAQ. You might find it on a map. If you know how to use one...
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:38 pmHey, kids, there's no point in addressing trolls like bsr any more than once. You've offered him excellent source material, and he has declined to read any of it. You have offered him evidence and reason on the questions at hand, and he has changed the subject, insulted you, or, well, whatever that sputtering thing is that he does.
Always offer evidence and reason to your opponents, but, when they decline in favor of raving on, just ignore them. BSR, like any troll, makes quite clear that he only wants to get a rise out of you. So stop entertaining him, and he'll go elsewhere.
There will always be those who are merely contrary, and it's a waste of energy to court them. Our audience is the majority of Americans, who are reasonable and fair-minded, no matter how disillusioned they are by the coarsening of our politics. Let's talk to those who want to learn the facts, and leave cranks like bsr to their own. They can carp about us to one another as easily as they can to us.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:40 pmTwo additional comments.
In 1985, I was a participant in a symposium at Carnegie-Mellon University where a demonstration was made of the ability to "read" an article in a scientific journal located in the Cal Tech library. Knowing that this was an outgrowth of a DARPA project, we asked who had been promoting the development of this system. Al Gore was one of the first names mentioned. In 1987, I was sitting next to him on a plane trip from DC to Nashville. I mentioned witnessing the demonstration at CMU and sat beck enthralled while he updated me on what had developed since, how funding was a constant battle in Congress, and how someday, every student in every college in the country would have access to the libraries of every great university in the country.
Second, this horseshit about alternative energies being a drain on our economies is becoming ever harder to swallow. Denmark decided to develop wind tecnolgy and now leads the world in wind turbine technolgy and wind farm design while Scotland is beginning to call itself the "Saudi Arabia of wind". Wind power tends to create new jobs in high unemployment rural areas and high tech manufacturing jobs in turbines, rotors and tower components.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:49 pmTwo additional comments.
In 1985, I was a participant in a symposium at Carnegie-Mellon University where a demonstration was made of the ability to "read" an article in a scientific journal located in the Cal Tech library. Knowing that this was an outgrowth of a DARPA project, we asked who had been promoting the development of this system. Al Gore was one of the first names mentioned. In 1987, I was sitting next to him on a plane trip from DC to Nashville. I mentioned witnessing the demonstration at CMU and sat beck enthralled while he updated me on what had developed since, how funding was a constant battle in Congress, and how someday, every student in every college in the country would have access to the libraries of every great university in the country.
Second, this horseshit about alternative energies being a drain on our economies is becoming ever harder to swallow. Denmark decided to develop wind tecnolgy and now leads the world in wind turbine technolgy and wind farm design while Scotland is beginning to call itself the "Saudi Arabia of wind". Wind power tends to create new jobs in high unemployment rural areas and high tech manufacturing jobs in turbines, rotors and tower components.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:49 pmAh, but notice he vanished. Donno if it was my rebuttal or someone else's, but he retreated to (hopefully) think about things.
Look, if we don't try to convince these people, then what are we doing here? Just a giant echo chamber?
I figure that if all my "useless" responses to trolls over the last year produces one single convert to my views (or even to the idea of rational debate), I'm ahead of the game ^_^
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:51 pmFolks,
Don't feed the BSR troll - it's useless. The best antidote to that bozo is not to respond.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:51 pmSunhawk,
In general I agree with you. However, some folks are clearly just trying to pick fights for the sake of it, no?
Yeah - this is pretty much an echo chamber. There's rarely a lot of give and take here, frankly. If you find a place that really has it, let me know.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:54 pmOf course Mr. Bennett is biased. His speaking on behalf of his paycheck.
Looks like there's a fair amount of fat energy we could excavate from his neck though.
Overpaid, overfed, and totally unaware.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:54 pmOf course Mr. Bennett is biased. He's speaking on behalf of his paycheck.
Looks like there's a fair amount of fat energy we could excavate from his neck though.
Overpaid, overfed, and totally unaware.
May 23rd, 2006 at 5:55 pm#48 BSRWhat exactly is being donated and to whom? 5% of ticket sales are getting donated by Paramount Classics to the Alliance for Climate Protection. You don't really believe that Al Gore made this movie to get rich. Unless you're an idiot. Well, I guess you might actually believe it. Who gets credit for the donations? That would be Paramount Classics.Who benefits from any marketing of related products? What "related products"? Action figures?Who is paying for the production “expenses?†The production company.Who is paying for Al Gore’s trip to Cannes?Probably Al Gore. Maybe Gore can afford to donate proceeds from the movie because he is independently wealthyI'll bet he can. - an his income stream includes revenues from oil company stocks. Show us proof, please.
how about separate threads for Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA) and other corrupt Democtrats? It’s kinda hard to get excited about TP’s corruption complaints when TP never devotes equal time to ethically challenged Democrats like Mollohan and Jefferson.
Completely off-topic, but I'll tell you what. Let's say your Duke Cunningham and our William Jefferson cancel each other out. They're not even close, but I'm feeling generous. And let's say your Katherine Harris and our Alan Mollohan cancel each other out. Again, not even close. What do we have left? More than a dozen, probably more than two dozen, Republicans either under investigation, indicted, pled guilty, or identified as Representative #1, #2, #n in an indictment. We've got proud GOPers outing CIA agents, blowing CIA operations that were working undercover on Iranian nuclear proliferation, perjuring, lying to FBI agents, soliciting as gay prostitutes, shoplifting, trading in child porn, money laundering, losing tens of millions of dollars of workmen's compensation funds in a rare coin investment scam, jamming the phonelines of a Democratic GOTV effort (because they just can't win a goddam election if they have to play it straight!), ... Shall I go on? Because I could keep going if you want. Yeah, BSR, let's talk about corruption. Go ahead and stick your face in that hornets' nest. Your party reeks with corruption, not just one or two pols working on their own. The GOP has institutionalized it. Go look up "K Street Project" and tell me what involvement the Democrats had in that. I'll answer it for you: none. By definition, the K Street Project did not allow--forbade--Democrats to play.
Corruption, BSR? You don't want to go there. Try to get back on the topic of the Fox propaganda organ calling Gore a propagandist, if you can think of anything intelligent to say about it.
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:02 pmAll a bunch of greedy pigs eating out of the same trough....spewing the same old hate and rhetoric, really pisses them off that it doesn't work any more...conservatives hate us, because of our freedoms
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:06 pmSunhawk, I honor your intent, but I do think the effort is misplaced. A weakness of blogging, it seems to me, is that we don't see comment from any of the undecided and curious. Who posts, everywhere, are the entrenched, whether friendly to reason or to ideology or simply to a camp. Blogs are so often like grade school lunchrooms, the e-air full of spitballs, and e-wedgies traded like so many baloney sandwiches.
I feel the same gorge rise when some snarky troll bloviates, but responding has never brought satisfaction. Trolls don't post to engage discussion, but only because their gorge rose on reading the day's texts. What you feel when faced with their obtuseness is what they feel when faced with challenging information. That's how discussion gets so effectively sidetracked into expressions of anger - the motive on both sides of trolling is emotion and not reason.
Sunhawk, I applaud you for wanting to inform and to change minds, but the people you can address effectively are not conveniently plugged into Think Progress or any other web page. They are at work, in the restaurants, churches, parks, and schools. They're not plugged in like the zealots we here commune with. Think of your own reasons for being here. Citizens without such passionate opinions as yours don't have your reasons for reading blogs, either. They aren't here. If you want to change minds, you must leave the house.
Which is where I'm going now - to a father's group in my neighborhood. Over a couple of beers, I'm going to raise the question, "is all this immigration noise a deliberate distraction from the war?" I'm reasonably confident of the discussion to follow.
Please, find a way to do the same. Our majority is out there, but we have to go get them.
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:13 pmI love BSR saying "Gore took a whole entourage to Cannes." It's the same old tired crap about the Democrats swilling white wine, trying to cast them as rich and elitist--as if Abramoff's buddies at his restaurant were drinking, what, Bud Light and eating chili dogs? That party is awash in cash, they are the new Robber Barons, they make Teapot Dome look like an episode of the Simpsons. And the press colludes in its ludicrous photos of Bush "clearing brush" and the incessant talk about how hot it is in Crawford. So, like, there's no air conditioning in his mansion (it ain't no ranch, folks).
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:15 pm[...] But this sort of behavior is integral to the right wing attack machine. [...]
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:35 pmSomebody should tell Pres. Bush that Global Warming is not the feeling he gets when he puts that white powder up his nose!
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:38 pm#102 - RyanSeacrusr,
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:47 pmNo, it's $78,000 per chin. You missed the top one.
From BSR's "experts":
"The National Center for Policy Analysis’ E-Team, is one of the largest collections of energy and environmental policy experts and scientists who believe in sound science and that economic prosperity and protecting the environment can go hand and hand."
And Pete DuPont is one of their "experts" - Pete Freakin DuPont!
Nothing says "industry whorebag" like listing Pete DuPont as an "expert" on your site.
BSR: what insights into global warming do you think DuPont will offer?
You're pathetic.
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:52 pmThe oil industry is afraid that people will actually wish to save their planet if they see the documentary that Al Gore is promoting. I for one am glad that we will all be able to have more water to vacation in and more land will be able to be hot so that we can have hot summers. Living comfortably on this planet is overrated. Of course I am being sarcastic. I read in a business magazine that the U.S. Department of Defense was conducting war games (on a computer) to deal with the possible unrest that the outcome of global warming will produce in certain areas of the world. Such outcomes may include flooding, decreased arable land, mass relocations of world populations and even mass unrest that will follow such outomes. This will not be anything to laugh at. It strikes me as odd that even as DoD does conducts such games, that the EPA is being used to sanitize what is actually occurring in the world as a result of global warming, though giving accurate reports to Congress is what the law requires federal departments to do. Pretty soon global warming will be a national security danger along with terrorism and other such matters. However, by then, the United States will be in no position to change things.
May 23rd, 2006 at 6:55 pmshieldvulf,
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:17 pmPerhaps I'm a hopeless optimist (I am at times), but I've always felt that "entrenched" isn't permanent.
Also, in a way I write posts like that almost as much for myself as for whomever I'm responding to. It's a way of exploring and re-examining my own positions. And, hey, a man's gotta dream right?
Jabba says what?
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:18 pmI think he does have a faint physical resemblance to the man who always insisted he was #2 behind der fuehrer, that being Reichmarshall Meyer...err, Goering. So then we have a swollen Goering clone calling the President (which Gore is, crooks notwithstanding) the equivalent of poor gimpy Dr. P. J., who could not have been any better than #3 and perhaps even a notch or two down the list of shame.
Fox is damned near the functional definition of a whorehouse. I watch it for comedic relief...
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:20 pmIs this comparing Al gore to a Nazi? Didn't Sen. Dick Durbin get in trouble for this type of referrence recently?
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:40 pmAlso off topic, but Pelosi demanded an investigation into William Jefferson, a damn sight better than the Republicans non-ethics committee changing the rules to protect DeLay.
May 23rd, 2006 at 7:44 pmUnless he was hanging out in France last week I wonder where he saw the film before it's release date to have such an informed opinion?
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:23 pmThe earth is warming. So what? Looks like everybody here could use some mothering.
The entire US population is devoid of mothering.
Somebody help us all, puh-leeze.
Mother US
have a nice evening
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:29 pm[...] Crooks & Liars has the video of a pundit, Sterling Burnett, comparing the former Vice President Al Gore to Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, because of his film on global warming, An Inconvenient Truth. (Goebbels and his wife killed their six children before killing themselves a week before the surrender that ended of the Second World War.) As tristero points out at Hullbaloo, no one called Burnett out for it (warning: profanity like you would never believe!): The unprincipled fuck in the video at the link gets paid to compare a Vice President of the United States to a Nazi propagandist (and notice: no one tells him he’s gone “too far,” no one tries to interrupt what he’s saying; this is considered reasonable discourse on Fox News). And why does this shithead get paid to do such a thing? It’s not because he believes it. He knows he’s spouting bullshit. [...]
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:35 pmGive a right wing loser $380,000 and he'll tell you that 3 + 3 = 8 or that the Declaration of Independence was a Marxist conspiracy.
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:49 pmThe American economy has had it too good for far too long. To Hell with the American economy, the world comes first.
May 23rd, 2006 at 9:49 pmA little lesson in chemistry for the Bush illiteratti. The primary band of absorption for the Carbon - Oxygen double bond (of which there are 2 pair in a CO2 molecule) are solidly within the middle infra-red area of the electromagnetic spectrum. This energy, which is otherwise re-radiated to space in the form of middle to long wavelength IR radiation is absorbed by the overly abundant atmospheric CO2 where it creates vibrations along the axis of the C-O bond; i.e. it results in thermal energizing of the molecule. This energy is recycled throughout the atmosphere via the physical processes of convection and conduction, hence global warming. This isn't theory you F***ng morons. This is the underlying principle behind Infrared Spectroscopy, a long standing analytical method in the chemical sciences. Oh, and one other thing: CO2 solubility decreases markedly with increasing water temperature, so the oceans are even now gradually losing their ability to absorb this additional CO2. If you think that the little weasel in the White House knows what the hell he's talking about, then ask him to explain the upward trend in global temperatures, the decreasing glacial coverage in the polar regions, or a noticeable increase in the strength of tropical storms aka hurricanes. Yea, chicken little, I'm talking to you. The sky is falling and you're about to become roadkill.
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:10 pmI believe I saw this gasbag on TV last night during "24" for an ad for "DirectTV." He kept chasing around Verne Troyer yelling "GET IN MAH BELLY!"
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:12 pmyes, bsr is total backwash and wishes he could actually live inside karl rove's asshole. it's almost big enough, but not quite.
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:13 pm#145 - Dave Barnes,
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:20 pmW doesn't care, he'll be dead by the time disaster strikes (Unless stem cell research takes off after he leaves office.).
The American economy sold wheat to Russia in the mid-seventies. They needed it. The American economy helped China become a powerhouse economy in and of itself. The American economy built more than refrigerators, much to the chagrin of Adolf Hitler. The American economy builds jets, rockets, and arms for sale to countries like Iraq so they could wage war against Iran for eight solid years. Iran fought a useless fight.
The American economy has helped the world when there has been an hour of need. Canada's economy hinges on the health of the American economy. China's economy hinges on the health of the American economy.
The Japanese Imperial Army was wreaking havoc in east Asia during the Second World War. The Bataan Death March was no picnic. Not even close to a cakewalk.
Dresden was bombed night and day until over 267,000 people were dead. More than Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined. Germany had gone too far. The Allied forces were tired of Hitler's shenanigans. They wanted it all over with.
Now, the same is true of the hijacked US government. The world is tired of the Bush Cabal's shenanigans.
It couldn't be any worse. However, it could get worse. If the US economy fails, expect the world's economy to fail first.
This is all very serious business. America needs some relief from the neocon nuts, but they are so ensconced inside the workings of the US government, they're like ticks on a dog.
America needs help, bad. Global warming is a red herring and meaningless compared to what the American people are really up against.
America has fallen from grace thanks to George Bush and the neocons.
The world had better hope the US survives. It ain't going to be a pretty picture if it doesn't.
I remember reading a quote in an opinion article some years back. It read: "America is great as long as she is good."
America doesn't look too good these days.
I don't care what anyone does. If you demonize all of America because a few shortsighted policies, you are making an unfair judgment. America is more than just a picture of a few corporations greedily filling their pockets.
America is getting a bad rap when it should be the neocons and the Bush Cabal statists that caterwaul obscene diktats that make everybody miserable.
They're pathetic, those neocons and the Bush buddies. They make America look bad.
Enough
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:22 pmThanks all of you for a great romp through 142 posts. The reference to Creosote of Monty Python was the high point for me. I teach chemistry in high school, and did a sustainability unit this spring with the kids. It was fun to watch the light bulbs go on as the gang realized that demographically we are heading for a lack of oil anyway - why not look into the alternatives. The brightest among my students were the most engaged and ready to push for official changes in policy. Nothing like a few facts about the world to get kids thinking.
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:40 pmI believe it was the Frenchman Alexander Touqville? that the said the quote "America will great as long as America is good" America now has too much religion, not enough thinking. We have enough wealth but not enough intelligence to distribute the wealth fairly for all. Enough information to change and build the world into a better place, but not the courage to pick up the book.
George
Al Gore
May 23rd, 2006 at 10:58 pmThe legitimate President of the United States
BSR: I'm sure that someone has pointed out to you by now that your "sources" are all conservative "think tanks" (a contradiction in terms, if ever I have heard one) or groups heavily funded by Exxon--or both.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:10 pmwas that STINK TANKS?
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 pmron,
global warming is the only subtext within which we as a nation can seriously discuss energy independence. it's the only thing that can spur along the debate. the oil companies are clearly against energy independence for america. they are therefore not interested in the well-being of america, they are interested in the well-being of the oil industry.
where in the hell do you stand? are you for energy independence or not?
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 pmCaption Contest:
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:42 pm"Of course I'm not happy. Look at me, I'm a big fat slob. I've got bigger titties than you do. I've got more chins than a Chinese phonebook. I've not seen my willie in two years, which is long enough to declare it legally dead. "
[...] movie . [...]
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:43 pmI'm finding it quite refreshing to find the bulk of the responses on here to be from apparently sane people. The way the media tends to present the regular folk, one feels as though the country has been overrun by brainwashed imbeciles who spare no thought for the reality of our situation.
Thanks for demonstrating to me that there is STILL hope for us here in the US.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:55 pmI'm always amazed at the reich-winger response to global warming discussions. They act like the Sierra Club and Greenpeace and the entire scientific community are paying big bucks to the spokesperson.
Follow the profit -- no one profits from global warming or even from paying attention to it. Many corporations profit from calling it a lie. So they do. And somehow, Billy Bob Redneck votes with them. F*cking amazing.
May 23rd, 2006 at 11:58 pmDumb a** trolls didn't think that when they go off on Gore, we'd start in about how Gore is really the President anyways.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:17 amSince Jabba the Oil Man and BSR don't believe what scientists tell them, I think they, the global warming deniers, should live on some island devoid of any thing that was made as a result of science. Come to think of it, can we just put them on a low lying island and watch them cry as the ocean rises and sweeps them away? After all, scientists know nothing about science, but politicians and idealogues do.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:22 am#134,
The EPA sanitization is because sheeple really are sheeple, and the Gubbermint don't want to spook the flock.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:23 am#160
Watch out, now you are going to be accused of being hateful and violent.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:26 amPoliticians and idealogues think they are above everything, and science is just another "thing" to get in line with all the other "things", they pass a sweeping judgement on all science. People who actually know a lot about a few things are much more useful than some moron who knows a little about many things.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:31 amOne strength of progressives is that we have the guts to call others within our ranks for their inappropriate behavior. As such, let me ask our friends who keep commenting on this man's weight to move onto the issues at hand. There are people with weight issues on both sides of the political spectrum, and I would think that our side should be the one demonstrating sufficient depth to take this man to task on his ideas and (lack of) principles, not on his personal appearance.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:54 amAnd you don't watch FAUX Gnus to see the truth about anything.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:22 amIts always funny seeing Fox Newsmen making comments about Nazi propaganda
May 24th, 2006 at 1:31 amBSR, two simple questions and an obvious observation; Why do you post the fascist party line here? Just to prove how ignorant and what a fool you are? You are part of that small 30% of the population that hasn't woken up to the fact that you've been lied to, manipulated, used, and encouraged to be participant in a small but dangerous, fascist, ideological movement led by Dick Cheney, Karl Rove and their favorite puppet, G.W. Bush. I pity you BSR for your ignorance. Even more, however, I feel sorry for the kind of future these people will create for your children and their children. The greedy, evil behavior of Bush & Co. and those that support them will destroy any kind of positive future for mankind unless they're stopped. If they aren't, I hope you live to see the consequences of the insanity you support.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:43 amThe Prude Progressive,
No.
May 24th, 2006 at 2:12 amScrew US oil companies. Don't give them your money. Buy Venezuelan gas. Buy at CITGO stations
May 24th, 2006 at 2:19 amYou can deny any kind of sign of global warming. This year will give America the rest. Draught, bad harvest, lack of drinking water and mighty storms. Live your American dream of waste and buying plastic cheaply made stuff from China at Walmart.
May 24th, 2006 at 2:46 amThe whole world id laughing about Americans! No style, no lifestyle, living in cardboardhouses and eat shit. That is your American dream. Laughable! Goebbels had style and he could speak up in his language. You elected G. W. the dumb, who no even can't speak his native language. Bush claims he attended Yale, what kind of University around the world rewards illiterate humans with diplomas? har di har..
[...] Conservative hired guns, funded by such good corporate citizens as ExxonMobil, are comparing Gore’s effort to what Josef Goebbels did for Hitler. [...]
May 24th, 2006 at 6:19 am[...] Wait just a minute. So, I’m doing my morning news read and I come across an article about Al Gore. At least that’s what I thought it was.  It’s a BBC article titled “Web inventor warns of ‘dark’ net”. I’m thinking I’m going to see some picture of Gore standing in front of a pile of computers that have been burned to the ground or been smashed by some enormous tornado or something. [...]
May 24th, 2006 at 6:43 amI'm a Christian that voted for Bush and all I got was this lousy, slave wage, T-Shirt.
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May 24th, 2006 at 7:48 amHow appropriate that the comparisons to Goebels propaganda was on Fox. I wonder how many Fox Viewers and loyaol republicans caught the irony?
May 24th, 2006 at 8:10 amclimate change is a natural phenomenon
only left wing extremist/Marxist radicals like Al Gore and his moonbat supporters do not understand
we will not be fooled by the lies of the left, they want to use the environment as a wedge issue to push their own left wing extremist agenda of homo marriage, gun grabbing, babykilling, US-hating, UN-loving, tyrant Castro loving, dictator Chavez loving etc...
democrats = extreme left wing Marxist radicals who wish to sign over our national sovereignty to the UN or any world organization, US hating party
May 24th, 2006 at 8:21 amdon't forget, the democrats always loved the communists, the communist states (left wing extremists) killed over 100 million people in the 20th century, all in the name of Marx/Lenin/socialism.
ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC are all paid members of the media wing of the democrat party. At least Fox is independent and balanced, not a Goebbels-esque propaganda network like the 4 aforementioned alphabet networks who don't even try to hide they support only the most left wing extremist democrats (neo-coms ie neo-communists).
save America, stop the communist democrats!
May 24th, 2006 at 8:26 amand as for progressive, if you look up the definition you will find that the Nazis (socialists they were) were also quite progressive
Bush won New Mexico in 2000, Florida by 50000 votes
Bush won Pennsylvania in 2004, and Wisconsin
John Thune beat Tom Daschle in 2002
democrat Christine Fraudoire lost the election for governor in 2004
the pattern here is: these are all elections stolen by the democrats via vote fraud, except president 2000, which was saved for democracy despite democrat attempts to steal Florida
May 24th, 2006 at 8:31 amIndeed it is, generally however, natural phenomenons have a cause, say a giant volcano going off or a meteor striking the Earth, or something along those lines. What is causing it this time?
Actually though Marx provided some key insights into economics (and he is considered one of the fathers of economics as he was the first guy to figure out the coming of mechanisation and more or less predicted the 20's and 30's) he wasn't particularly known as a enviromentalist. Further, it isn't the extremist radicals, its simply those of us who have this faint suspicion that we should listen to the experts in the feild of climate change. I mean, it is kinda stupid to pay someone to research something, and then ignore them when their results are a little bit inconvenient isn't it?
Not really, we actually believe it is happening. your other issues actually expose you for who you are though so...
Homosexuals getting married effects homosexuals and nobody else. It doesn't threaten the sanctity of marriage, a concept your guys are quick to bring up in these days of "The Bachelor" and "The Bachelorrette." We like the UN, basically because over the cold war period it actually managed to help the world avoid nuclear war. While the current UN is impotent, the idea of, you know, talking things out before killing each other isn't exactly objectionable. We actually argue that one on its merits.
Castro, frankly we couldn't care less about. Sure he may be charming, but the fact is you don't survive that long as a dictator in a third world country under sanctions without being likeable. Generally we don't have to demonise someone in order to disagree with them. Unlike a certain bunch I could think of.
Gun grabbing is precisely what we are against. We are totally against grabbing guns whenever a minor disagreement arrises, we believe in actually using non-violent means to achieve our goals wherever possible. Of course, you rightwingers call the concept of not shooting first and thinking later "US hating."
As to the US hating idealogy, well, it isn't the leftwing who while in power decided to violate the entire nation's right to privacy, or that their officials were above the law.
Baby Killing, well you see we have an inverted system of beliefs to you Republicans. We care about the baby once it is out of the womb, we believe that that baby, if unwanted needs to be taken care of and afforded ever oppertunity to grow up into a productive human being. What is the Rightwings stance on unmarried mothers and social grants?
I won't even comment on the Chavez bit.
Republicans = Extremely stupid right wing, idiotic radicals who wish to sign over your national sovereignty to the Corporations or the Red Chinese, US raping party. Very easy to do, and unlike you I can actually support those claims.
May 24th, 2006 at 8:54 amVery easy to do, and unlike you I can actually support those claims.
Comment by Bruce Gorton — May 24, 2006 @ 8:54 am
Well said Bruce!
The far-right's argument is essentially the same one no matter which one of them is spouting it. It's sounding more and more like a broken record. They have no facts - just opinion - and once confronted they begin to hurl insults rather than welcome an honest debate. It's annoying. Like trying to debate an infant...
And you notice how each of us is able to type our own messages with our own words - instead of running to some radical right talking head for the 'talking points'?
But, not to take away from your witty response :). I'll be interesting to see if Stefan goes away (changes his screen name) or tries to rebut with ad hominem attacks and emotional diatribe?
May 24th, 2006 at 9:07 am#177 - "the pattern here is: these are all elections stolen by the democrats via vote fraud, except president 2000, which was saved for democracy despite democrat attempts to steal Florida"
My God, you really swig the kool-aid, doncha? Let me guess, you don't form an "opinion" until you have it handed to you by the ultra-radical right-wing talking heads?
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary - "Fascist"
'a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"
"exalts nation and often race above the individual" Yup, this is definitely a Republican tactic.
"stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader" Yup, even more Republican tactics.
"forcible suppression of opposition" It wasn't Pres. Clinton that censored all opposition from his appearances. It was Pres. Bush that required a "loyalty oath" from the people attending his so-called public events.
Stefan, you really need to start thinking for yourself. Swallowing the talking points without digesting them makes you a lemming, a self-blinded follower, a tool. Wake up and smell the coffee! I'm sure that you'll get headaches from exercising your brian at first. Once you start doing that, it'll be the state of our nation that gives you a headache after your brain get used to being exercised.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:10 amIn any argument, whoever mentions the Nazis first - LOSES!
May 24th, 2006 at 9:25 am#176 don’t forget, the democrats always loved the communists, the communist states (left wing extremists) killed over 100 million people in the 20th century, all in the name of Marx/Lenin/socialism.
Hey, Stefan, do you know who was president during the Cuban Missile Crisis? Do you know what party he belonged to? And who was president when the U.S. went into Korea to stop the North Koreans and Communist Chinese? What party did he belong to? Which president normalized relations with the People's Republic of China, a communist country, and what party did he belong to? Could you give us some kind of a concrete example of Democrats loving communists that would contradict this evidence to the contrary?
Bonus question: Which president owes his wealth and power to his grandfather whose banking business was seized by the U.S. government for doing business with the Nazis during World War II? And which party does he belong to? (hint: the one that loves Nazis)
May 24th, 2006 at 9:29 amOil has organic origins, dead dinosaurs. It is as natural as anything else that exists on earth. When you burn gas, it is a natural process.
The inhabitants of Easter Island cut down all of those trees and all they got were some big statues.
The world burned up all of the oil and all people got were some big houses.
All that needs to be done is to have a stable monetary system. Without it, you will have constant economic turmoil. In Germany, a woman visited the baker with a wheelbarrow full of money to buy her daily bread. The baker threw away the money and kept the wheelbarrow.
The US government, as it is operating at the present time, is totally illegal. Only US minted gold and silver coin is legal tender. It is the law upheld by the US Constitution. Without real money, you have economic chaos. That is what is happening right now.
It will continue as such until order is restored via a stable currency. Until then, expect more madness.
Pay attention to the man behind the curtain and keep drinking your koolaid.
The coup de tat is working with a full head of steam so you can keep worrying about what is going to go wrong next. Something is going to go wrong because that is what the neocons and the Bush Cabal wants.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:46 amSome ignorant redneck Republican said:
"ABC/CBS/CNN/NBC are all paid members of the media wing of the democrat party."
Got any proof of that? Pay stubs from the DNC? I didn't think so.
All those networks have serious bias problems...pro-GOP bias. It is all well-documented on the internet at places like MediaMatters.org
ABC recently bragged about how they fixed a poll on Spygate, by biasing the phrasing of the questions. That poll erroneously claimed most Americans support spying on us.
CBS recently ran a "Face The Nation" where there were NO democrats...only GOP. And they proceeded to bash the Democrats, who weren't there to defend themselves.
CNN has massive pro-Bush bias, I call them Fox NEWS 2.
Anybody who thinks the media are still liberal...is an idiot without a clue.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:50 amContact Dr. H. Sterling Burnett at sterling.burnett@ncpa.org.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:11 amOn can easily spot an Exxon-Mobil employee by the multiple chins and neck fat.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:19 pmWho says that big oil never LIE'S? How do anybody think that Exxon-Mobil got so big in the frist place? Not by caring for the enviroment! Sterling Burnett is another loud mouth moron that Exxon employes.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:03 pmWow all the mean stuff people are sayng about eachother?? What seems really clear after sifting through this dialogue is that, there is an emerging eco-catastrophe economy that is possible to replace the War econmy.. THAT is rad, and kind of spooky as almost all totalitarian unities require an ENEMY.. be it NAZI's COMMIE's TERRORISTS, or ECOTASTROPHE..
But it's fun that our new looming enemy is our own consumption,, the fat asshole is a perfect example of an entity menaced by his own appetite...
HERE COMES THE NEW PARADIGM!!!!!!! WOO HOO!-----------toylit
May 24th, 2006 at 1:03 pmWow all the mean stuff people are sayng about eachother?? What seems really clear after sifting through this dialogue is that, there is an emerging eco-catastrophe economy that is possible to replace the War econmy.. THAT is rad, and kind of spooky as almost all totalitarian unities require an ENEMY.. be it NAZI's COMMIE's TERRORISTS, or ECOTASTROPHE..
But it's fun that our new looming enemy is our own consumption,, the fat asshole is a perfect example of an entity menaced by his own appetite...
HERE COMES THE NEW PARADIGM!!!!!!! WOO HOO!-----------toylit
May 24th, 2006 at 1:03 pmWow all the mean stuff people are sayng about eachother?? What seems really clear after sifting through this dialogue is that, there is an emerging eco-catastrophe economy that is possible to replace the War econmy.. THAT is rad, and kind of spooky as almost all totalitarian unities require an ENEMY.. be it NAZI's COMMIE's TERRORISTS, or ECOTASTROPHE..
But it's fun that our new looming enemy is our own consumption,, the fat asshole is a perfect example of an entity menaced by his own appetite...
HERE COMES THE NEW PARADIGM!!!!!!! WOO HOO!-----------toylit
May 24th, 2006 at 1:03 pmsorry, about the repeat I pushed the buutttoonn too many times jn my enthusiasm.. duh-toylit
May 24th, 2006 at 1:08 pmBuy CITGO gas!
May 24th, 2006 at 1:09 pmWait, so...
"You don’t go see Joseph Goebbels’ films to see the truth about Nazi Germany."
OK, true, Nazi Germany was much worse than Goebbels's films would ever show.
"You don’t go see Al Gore’s films to see the truth about global warming."
Sterling Burnett! You mean, global warming is much worse than Al Gore's films would ever show?
OMG WE'RE REALLY DOOMED
May 24th, 2006 at 1:42 pmDOOMED ANYWAY DOOFY!!
Yes you will die, somehow..
May 24th, 2006 at 2:44 pmSpudge Boy,
This man's weight or personal appearance means as little to me as does Michael Moore's. I'm interested in their ideas. Some of the comments today look much more to me like some of the hate-filled scree I'm more used to seeing on right-wing sites.
Attack this man's ideas, sources of funding, disregard for all those who Denny Hastert believes don't pay taxes. This guy is a walking "Whack a Mole" machine with all of the moles stuck in the up position. Cheap shots just make us look petty and more interested in a shouting match than in change.
What would your mother or your moderate uncle think of this conversation? Would it make them more likely to vote progressive? Where's the progress in making fun of somebody's personal appearance?
May 24th, 2006 at 3:38 pmAmerica seems to be all about ME first., where social darwinism is taken to extremes. It's hard to think of other forms of capitalism, germany and japan, for eg., where this is accepted with such apathy.
May 24th, 2006 at 3:47 pmLe fond de l'air......
Selon un conservateur bien payé par Exxon (vidéo disponible ici), les cris d'alarme concernant le réchauffement de la planète sont comparables au nazi Goebbels (info trouvée ici). C'est dans la suite du roman de Michael Crichton......
May 24th, 2006 at 6:07 pmMaybe global warming is a blessing in disguise? Imagine how exciting it would be to roam an ice-free, verdant Antarctica! Life on earth varies with the climate, sea level, and the location of the continents. I wonder if our age will leave anything remotely as interesting as dinosaur fossils for any paleontologically inclined beings 70 million years in the future? Also, I find it fascinating that warm-water species are forging northward into waters that have been warmed from their former frigidity. I bet there will be a lot of interesting evolving going on as the habitats shift.
So relax, watch, and enjoy. We are witnesses to global events and have the tools to understand many of the things that are happening, unlike in earlier times of man's history. Things always change. Dinosaurs came, dinosaurs went. Humans came, and humans will go. I understand that it rankles some people that the eminent, peerless, supposedly made-in-Gods-image humans are not exempt from the fates of the "lower" life forms, but there it is nevertheless. So carpe diem (seize the day.) or cave canem (beware the dog) - it really makes very little difference in the long run. Even on Google Earth, you could not tell if dinosaurs or humans ruled the earth from 300 kilometers out. We are significant only to one another, if even that.
May 25th, 2006 at 12:02 amWhen will people realize the FOX and all it's "family" are full of political driven incentives?
The main difference between the those on the right and those on the left is that those on the right seem to be more self-centered, cruel, insulting, back-stabbing and born-again fundamentalist nazi-like apocolyptic crazies.
Almost all politicians lie or "stretch" the truth. Atleast the left-wing does it trying to line thier pockets while helping "he people". The righ-wing doesn't care about "the people" which is what makes up America.
May 25th, 2006 at 5:56 amWhen will people realize the FOX and all it's "family" are full of political driven incentives?
The main difference between the those on the right and those on the left is that those on the right seem to be more self-centered, cruel, insulting, back-stabbing and born-again fundamentalist nazi-like apocolyptic crazies.
Almost all politicians lie or "stretch" the truth. Atleast the left-wing does it trying to line thier pockets while helping "he people". The righ-wing doesn't care about "the people" which is what makes up America.
May 25th, 2006 at 5:56 amOk, Odysseus160, as long as you're willing to pony up for the massive coastal migrations of people. As long as you're willing to help bury all those bodies.
May 25th, 2006 at 11:10 am[...] via ThinkProgress: [...]
May 25th, 2006 at 11:32 amWhile I am not in the same ideological camp as either Blue State Red or Stefan, I took the time to enter "Al Gore oil stocks" into a search engine. That took me to an August 2000 article that appeared in CorpWatch. Al Gore was, at the time, executor of a trust for his mother that had kahuna stocks in Occidental Petroleum. In the 1990's, the aarticle states, he was involved in legislation that greatly benefitted Occidental. I have not had the opportunity to delve further as yet. If true, it is certainly disturbing, to say the least. Perhaps he has since had his "epiphany on the Road To Damascus".
I have also taken a look at the sites cited by Blue State Red, includiing the one for the UN. Since their findings have not been finally updated since 2001, I don't know what he's dancing in the streets about. As for NCPA, citing the very organization that furnished FAUX News with an industry shill in the first place is certainly no ringing endorsement for veracity.
Reading BSR's postings with their accompanying personal attacks, it is extremely difficult to refrain from framing my own responses in kind, but I persevere. What's interesting to observe is that as GWB's approval ratings plummet, the fewer remaining supporters become ever more strident and off point in their responses.
Since the topic of William Jefferson came up, if it turns out that the evidence warrants it, he should be brought to trial and if found guilty, should go to jail. That's the difference between us. I will notuse the misdeeds of a member of "the other party" to justify tha misdeeds, or to allow for the ignorance of the misdeeds, of a member of the party with which I align myself.
And to Stefan, for the love of God, crack a history book. As I've felt compelled to comment to others in the past--the only thing greater than your ignorance is the pride with which you display it for all to see.
May 25th, 2006 at 2:55 pmit is not a "godwin point" ? so exxon lost all debates.
May 25th, 2006 at 7:11 pm[...] ThinkProgress has a nice clip from Fox News on which an Exxon lobbyist compares Gore’s film to Goebbels’ propaganda. That didn’t take long. [...]
May 25th, 2006 at 7:34 pmit's amazing when
someone so needs to sideswipe another
mindset not to his liking
that any twisted and misconstrued figure
can be used in an
attempt to destroy the other.
most-zany-and-zealous-stefan
takes the cake here and for his energy also.
but what is amazing is as eric just pointed out is how
he uses the ncpa to back-up/reinforce the notions which
the ncpa is espousing (through burnett).
it's like saying...you don't believe george w. bush?!
then maybe perhaps you'll believe george w. bush!!!?
not only dumb but simply totally wacky!
mcc>
May 25th, 2006 at 8:04 pm[...] Think Progress » Exxon-Backed Pundit Compares Gore To Nazi Propagandist. that’s right, he compaired gore to goebbels [...]
May 25th, 2006 at 9:42 pmMore GOP Goebbling. Whatever they claim of their opposition, it is their own disposition they reveal.
May 25th, 2006 at 10:07 pmIt wasn't a personal attack on Gore, it was an attack on the movie. Fair enough. So if someone gives you money you shouldn't support them? That is what think tanks do, liberal and conservative. They aren't govt. funded.
May 26th, 2006 at 1:38 amJohn Thune beat Tom Daschle in 2002
Comment by Stefan
I won't even bother commenting on the bulk of Stefan's rants, but a very easily provable fact is that John Thune ran against Tom Daschle in 2004--not "2002."
May 26th, 2006 at 3:12 amGore = Gobbles...
....and in related news the pot calls the kettle the new black. OK so some shmoe Sterling Burnett was on Fox "News" basically equating Gore with Goebbles. I love how this fair & balanced group of liars and proagandists use nazi terminology and fing...
May 26th, 2006 at 7:10 amNo wonder you bitter Libs lose elections...please keep your heads in the sand on go on believing the Nazi Algore.
May 26th, 2006 at 6:09 pm[...] Last week, Sterling Burnett – a senior fellow at the Exxon-backed National Center for Policy Analysis – compared Al Gore to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. [...]
May 28th, 2006 at 11:36 amNice job, Blue State Red. Your links were to Burnett's own website: "These over-hyped claims of extinction are the 'Coca-Colalization' of science," concluded NCPA Senior Fellow H. Sterling Burnett." That would be the same Sterling Burnett that shills for Exxon, hah!
May 28th, 2006 at 4:24 pm[...] Last week, Sterling Burnett – a senior fellow at the Exxon-backed National Center for Policy Analysis – compared Al Gore to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. [...]
May 28th, 2006 at 4:56 pm[...] Last week, Sterling Burnett – a senior fellow at the Exxon-backed National Center for Policy Analysis – compared Al Gore to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. [...]
May 28th, 2006 at 7:21 pm[...] Please turn to THINK PROGRESS for more. [...]
May 28th, 2006 at 10:29 pmAs for responding to BSR, Stefan, etc., an old saying comes to mind:
When one argues with a fool, there are two.
That said, I propose something productive in striking back at the right wing propaganda machine, specifically Fox News. Following is a partial list of companies that choose to advertise on Fox. I propose not only boycotting these products, but contacting the companies that produce them and telling them why. What if, eventually, no company could afford to associate themselves with Fox?
--Crest Toothpaste, Downy Fabric Softener, Head and Shoulders Shampoo - all Procter and Gamble Products
--Splenda Sweetener - an operating company of Johnson and Johnson
--Walgreens
--Kyocera
--Kellogg's Cereals
--Franklin Templeton Investments
Please post others!! Vote with your $$$
May 29th, 2006 at 5:56 amHey, what's to get excited about here?
Like any good media prostitute Ruppert Murdoch has Exon-Mobil by the balls. He knows they will pay big dollars to get this kind of smear out there just to slow the trend toward reason.
Its all business as usual in our Republikan government. Thank goodness us republikans can live without an environment!
May 29th, 2006 at 5:57 pmI kind of have to hand it to the guy. putting the goatee there, so we know where his chin should be.. In any event, the best way to deal with these bastuds and their propaganda, is to get everyone you know to see the film. It's an incredibly powerful, and deeply disturbing work. I'm trading in all my light bulbs for energy efficient ones and buying a bike. Luckily, I live in New York where it's easy to get around on public transit.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:16 pmWe are all the suckers here b/c we bought this bullshit and allowed fat basturd to run our country for another 4 years (not by chose b/c elections are fixed). While an average C student who dropped out of the Army and who has his daddy and his daddy's golf friends running us into the ground. But we all have family values now, no future place for our families to live, but family values. So when we have no air to breath or clean water and are dead, the rich and fat basturds will be seating in their bunkers built for Kings underground. But Gore and all the rich (like some super heros) who decided to spead their efforts promoting good and getting rid of evil will probably say at least we tried to show them the way. If we all spend some time with our familes, less time at church but more time helping feed the poor and try to be a little like some of our heros we would see the way that is being shown to us and change our ways. If a country like Peru can run off of SOLAR POWER, why can't we, I know why one word, "Greed". Thanks
May 30th, 2006 at 9:04 pm[...] Evidence: ThinkProgress has devoted a great deal of time to debunking the attempted debunking of the movie here, here, here, here and here. [...]
May 31st, 2006 at 10:56 pm[...] From Think Progress: Sterling Burnett is a senior fellow at the National Center for Policy Analysis, an organization that has received over $390,000 from ExxonMobil since 1998. This afternoon on Fox, Burnett compared watching Al Gore’s movie, An Inconvenient Truth, to watching a movie by Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels to learn about Nazi Germany. [...]
June 1st, 2006 at 2:49 pmYou can see it in his eyes all the money he got from the oil companies.
June 1st, 2006 at 9:28 pmAl Gore said it best, "it is hard to make someone understand something, if his salary depends upon him not understanding it."
By the way, this people are bashing Al Gore thinking that, may be he might run for office in 08. Bunch of Cowards.
does anyone have video, audio or full text of the Exxon ad: “Carbon Dioxide, some see pollution, we see life!†?
I can't believe they put that out. I want to see this and show it to the extremist on both sides of me politically.
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:04 pmNever mind, found them here:
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:10 pmhttp://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/05/co2_we_call_it.php
GWS (#90) - Not so strange, really. The ground under the feet of the "let's-keep-going-as-we-have-been" contingent keeps getting shakier all the time, and we ALL know what happens when you corner a frightened animal...
June 9th, 2006 at 7:47 pm#128 - well said!
June 9th, 2006 at 8:22 pm[...] Sterling Burnett, senior fellow at the Exxon-backed National Center for Policy Analysis, compared Al Gore to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. [...]
June 15th, 2006 at 10:57 amOK Everybody, let us say, for argument's sake, that the environment IS going to hell in a hand basket, OK? If none of this was based on reality, why would they be debating it in Congress? Why would the World Bank, of all organizations, help Al Gore do the movie The World Cup? Yes, there is money to be made in selling "carbon neutrality". Still, I really think people are sticking their heads in the sand. And then comments are made by US lawmakers that saving the environment would ruin the economy! Duh! Well, the economy will be ruined anyway when the environment changes to the point that it can no longer be ignored. So, it is not a question of "if", but a question of "when" we are going to make the necessary and painful changes. Lastly, Sterling Burnett's comments simply show a lack of intelligence. Of course, he is probably betting that most of the American public is not smart enough to second-guess what they hear from idiots like him.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:52 am[...] - One man who called Gore’s movie the equivalent of Goebbel’s Nazi propaganda film. [...]
June 27th, 2006 at 1:44 pmWhy does Fox put idiots like strerling burnett and ann colter on... don't you know we've caught on to your sensationalisum... this guy is full of it, and you people at fox know it... why do you give them any air play????? I'm sick of your lopsided yellow journalism, mark my words people are getting tired of your networks bull. Did you guys see the movie Network... I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!!! LOL LOL LOL
July 7th, 2006 at 5:43 pmHey you guys!!!
July 7th, 2006 at 6:58 pmI got a true story for you guys, about a year ago I was driving a cab for a certain company that services WDW and at the time WDW had an Exon/moble conference there. Well I thought I was lucky enough to grab a fare from WDW to the Airport. The passengers happen to be three Exon/moble employees. Two were in sales, and one an executive... during the trip, I had asked them about employment opportunities with their company, especially in oil drilling or some other high paying job...I was interested in knowing what they would say; they suggested that I should try the gas conveinet store. I thought, these guys think I’m not fit to clean their shoes... At the end of the fare it was time to pay it, the fare was 68 bucks the tolls are extra and they were $1.75 the total was 69.75. The executive paid for the fare but get this... he thought the tolls were my expense which it is not, and it is clearly stated in the cab. He gave me 70 bucks and told me to keep the change. A quarter boys and girls just a quarter, after they retrieve their luggage the executive ask me for a receipt, I told him I just didn't have any more, then he asked me how was he going to claim his reimbursement and I said well I guess they will just have to take your word for it. During our winter last year, the oil companies made record profits and congress asked for a good will donation for those who were underprivileged. Well boys and girls does any one remember which oil company helped those who couldn’t afford the high-energy cost??? These guys are the most selfish and greediest people on the earth. The only exception is when it comes to themselves. Isn’t a shame that Venezuela gave NY and NJ residents free oil for their boilers and American oil companies were silent? They have made soooo much profit from us all on gas.
[...] Sterling Burnett, a man who works for an organization which takes huge amounts of money from Exxon Mobile went on "Dayside" today to smear Al Gore. These people are beyond shameless. He compared Gore and his new film, "An Inconvenient Truth" to the Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels. [...]
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October 16th, 2006 at 1:36 pmRegarding: Comments by Stefan
Dear Sir!
I a Swedish citizen and reading your comments surprizes me.
What I wonder is if you are true to your self for posting claims like that. Self denail is the word that comes to mind, because you seem like an average intelligent person. You should be able to connect the dots. I´m sure of it.
I have watched a downloaded version of the movie about Global Warming with Al Gore and it is pretty much common sense and not very surprising that our world will come to an end, much sooner than it normally would, due to the combined "efforts" of all the worlds contributions of Co2´s.
It saddens me to learn that the educational system has faild in your country, the gretast nation in the world (in my lifetime). But, every Empire that has ever existed has, or will sooner or later, be doomed to die. If the majority of the citizens in the States continue to believe like you do, and work hard to spread your values and beliefs, Tellus future is dark, very dark. But before that your beloved country will not be spared - mother nature (not God) will show you straight up the end results of global warming.
/ Sorry about the spelling. Doug
October 30th, 2006 at 10:22 amThe Tempest
By Joel Achenbach
Sunday, May 28, 2006; W08
As evidence mounts that humans are causing dangerous changes in Earth's climate, a handful of skeptics are providing some serious blowback
IT SHOULD BE GLORIOUS TO BE BILL GRAY, professor emeritus. He is often called the World's Most Famous Hurricane Expert. He's the guy who, every year, predicts the number of hurricanes that will form during the coming tropical storm season. He works on a country road leading into the Front Range of the Rocky Mountains, in the atmospheric science department of Colorado State University. He's mentored dozens of scientists. By rights, Bill Gray should be in deep clover, enjoying retirement, pausing only to collect the occasional lifetime achievement award.
He's a towering figure in his profession and in person. He's 6 feet 5 inches tall, handsome, with blue eyes and white hair combed straight back. He's still lanky, like the baseball player he used to be back at Woodrow Wilson High School in Washington in the 1940s. When he wears a suit, a dark shirt and tinted sunglasses, you can imagine him as a casino owner or a Hollywood mogul. In a room jammed with scientists, you'd probably notice him first.
He's loud. His laugh is gale force. His personality threatens to spill into the hallway and onto the chaparral. He can be very charming.
But he's also angry. He's outraged.
He recently had a public shouting match with one of his former students. It went on for 45 minutes.
He was supposed to debate another scientist at a weather conference, but the organizer found him to be too obstreperous, and disinvited him.
Much of his government funding has dried up. He has had to put his own money, more than $100,000, into keeping his research going. He feels intellectually abandoned. If none of his colleagues comes to his funeral, he says, that'll be evidence that he had the courage to say what they were afraid to admit.
Which is this: Global warming is a hoax.
"I am of the opinion that this is one of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the American people," he says when I visit him in his office on a sunny spring afternoon.
He has testified about this to the United States Senate. He has written magazine articles, given speeches, done everything he could to get the message out. His scientific position relies heavily on what is known as the Argument From Authority. He's the authority.
"I've been in meteorology over 50 years. I've worked damn hard, and I've been around. My feeling is some of us older guys who've been around have not been asked about this. It's sort of a baby boomer, yuppie thing."
Gray believes in the obs. The observations. Direct measurements. Numerical models can't be trusted. Equation pushers with fancy computers aren't the equals of scientists who fly into hurricanes.
"Few people know what I know. I've been in the tropics, I've flown in airplanes into storms. I've done studies of convection, cloud clusters and how the moist process works. I don't think anybody in the world understands how the atmosphere functions better than me."
In just three, five, maybe eight years, he says, the world will begin to cool again.
We sit in his office for 2 1/2 hours, until the sun drops behind the mountains
October 30th, 2006 at 4:50 pmI heard on the radio the other day that "today's temperature beats the 100 year record...." I though to myself "what caused it to be so hot 100 years ago?" Global warming is not created by humans.... ease up, enjoy life and realize we couldn't destroy our planet if we tried to..
November 19th, 2006 at 5:00 pm#239, I'll ease up and enjoy life when greedy oinkers stop futzing up the air I and my children breathe.
“Few people know what I know. I’ve been in the tropics, I’ve flown in airplanes into storms. I’ve done studies of convection, cloud clusters and how the moist process works. I don’t think anybody in the world understands how the atmosphere functions better than me.â€
That's great he had some exciting field trips and the scientific community is richer from his research. This statement however doesn't fill me with faith about his ability to see the forest for the trees.
The only reason I can think of that anyone is arguing about it at all is business. If we all suddenly changed our consumption habits, recycled 100% of our waste, stopped clear-cutting trees and planted two for every one we took down, reversed the acceleration of the already massive spewing of carcinogenic gases and particulates into our breathing air, all in the name of global warming, even if it weren't true this would be a bad thing? Call it whatever you want. Call it dwindling oil supplies and that it's going to take whatever reserves we can muster to (try to) develop the next source of energy before we're all rudely thrust back into the stone age.
Business tells us to "do this, buy that, think this is cool, consume more". Despite the seemingly genuine smiles and warm, fuzzy stories they do not have our best interests close to their hearts.
December 6th, 2006 at 11:54 amI think Al Gore is a savior to our planet! For he has put his reputation on the line and is known world wide . There is no time left, goverment must act now to stop Co2 emissions from over heating the earth. Drastic measures are needed and Al Gore is the man to do it. Only a leader of the world can stop Co2 and global warming. Lets do it people. Only vote for people who will end fossil fuel emissions from destroying the earth. People all over the planet earth use your vote to save the earth.
January 5th, 2007 at 2:44 pmIf you want to know how you really feel about globel warming you need not only ask yourself. If half of what Al Gore is saying is true, would you want your children to live in this world?.......I say this and I will tell you what is going to happen. We are not going to stop globle warming. We will wait intill it is to late because that is what we do. We waited to enter WWII intill we were attacked. We didn't stop 9/11. We didn't prepare for hurrican Katrina. All of these things had terrible outcomes, but in the end we pulled through. Well this problem isnt on a level of one nation doing the right thing. Its on the whole world to do the right thing. Are attemps, on this forum, to get are opinion across mean nothing. This is going to be the worst thing to ever happen to mankind, and we will have no one to blam but the person in the mirror.
January 29th, 2007 at 5:47 pmNothing I say here will make a bit of difference. People on both sides of this issue will go on believing what they already believe. I see competent opinions being presented, and the responses usually don't even address the topic. People are called "fat" like that discredits what they say. People lump others into groups like "bush cool-aid drinkers" when the post says nothing about their political affiliation...for them, if you disagree with their opinion, you must be on the complete opposite side in every way, "brainwashed". Sorry, not only is that too presumptious, but that doesn't invalidate what they say. Both sides end up sounding like "broken records", to use a phrase from a poster above...but it's BOTH sides. The latest UN report on this issue shows a much lower estimate of the problem than before, so maybe the one extreme (including Al Gore's opinions) is worth adjusting, and the other extreme (that there's absolutely nothing going on) is worth changing. We "could" just look at this as a problem to be worked on, stop throwing insults at each other, and debate the real science. (And yes I'm a scientist). Scientific debate is good and we'll continue to learn more. Most of the people posting just make themselves seem foolish. Even if you're on the side with the most people, and you all pile on the "other guy", you're just like the guys on the "other" website's forums/blogs piling on "your guy". We're not going to boil or be underwater anytime soon, and yet to not consider our impact on the environment would also be silly. We can do what we can, but remember, it's the 2 Goliaths of India and China that wont join Kyoto regardless of what we do...and it's dictators and regimes around the world that are much less accountable than our government that will keep doing what they like...so keep it in perspective as to who's ALL to blame. And we really do have things that are more immediately a threat to our survival at hand than our global climate...not that we should dismiss it, but just so that we spend our energy staying alive "while" we solve our ecological issues.
February 21st, 2007 at 1:34 am