“Should we have to go in, our mission is very clear: disarmament. And in order to disarm, it would mean regime change.”

Which “Regime change” would ideally have led to the installation of someone like Ahmed Chalabi as president by acclamation, with plenty of time to consider democracy later.

There’s more here on the State Department’s “Future of Iraq Project” which did plan ahead, in some detail, for democracy in Iraq but was largely ignored in the end: Preparing for Post-Saddam Iraq: Plans and Actions, Charles Patterson, October 27, 2004

Wehner, concluding his WSJ remarks, complains:
“And what a strange world it is: For many antiwar critics, the president is faulted for the war, and he, not the former dictator of Iraq, inspires rage. The liberator rather than the oppressor provokes hatred. It is as if we have stepped through the political looking glass…”

…into Saddam’s shoes.

I am really wondering what exactly is going on behind the scenes with the rover investigation. I suspect they are calling in every last scull and bones favor in order to keep the dictator and his flying monkeys safe from prosecution. One theory is that rover is throwing Krash-Kart-Cheney under the bus to keep his own skin safe. I think that is a safe bet. As it contains rovers M.O. all over it.

One quote that keeps coming back to me from Gore on the stolen election in 2000:

“There may come a time when I speak on that, but it’s not now; I need more time to frame it carefully if I do. In our system, there’s no intermediate step between a definitive Supreme Court decision and violent revolution.”5/23/06

That leads me to the conclusion that Gore knows that this so called administration is a fraud. As most enlightened people do. And he knows if he tells the truth not only will the dictator be removed but it may well end up as a central-American style revolution.

I say power to the people, and chunk the chimp.

Comment by Infinite Reach #41

Impotent fReak,

…try and tear your nose away from your Silver Surfer comic book and read it…if you dare…

Huh? Why not ask them, rather than assume the outcome?…. Oh. yeah, sorry, I forgot who I was dealing with. The entire maladministration’s job is just to carry water for the Doofus-In-Chief’s illegalities….

Where’s John Dean when you need him?

Cheers,

Our demands are directed only at the
regime that enslaves them and threatens us.

Comment by Infinite Reach

Reach, generally you are reaching but this time you are right (no pun intended) on.

The only problem is that I suspect you and I have different regimes in mind.

The problem will go away when the Bush regime gets the hell out of Iraq and Iran. If they want to fight for oil let it be in the land of Bush’s buddies–Saudi.

In a major speech on Iraq in October 7, 2002 in Cincinnati, Bush failed to mention his desire to bring “democracy” to Iraq even once.

Well I’m sorry Faiz. It’s easy to fool the gullible TP libs, but Bush did speak of bringing freedom to Iraqis in that speech (and many others):

“America believes that all people are entitled to hope and human
rights, to the non-negotiable demands of human dignity. People
everywhere prefer freedom to slavery; prosperity to squalor;
self-government to the rule of terror and torture. America is a
friend to the people of Iraq. Our demands are directed only at the
regime that enslaves them and threatens us. When these demands are
met, the first and greatest benefit will come to Iraqi men, women
and children. The oppression of Kurds, Assyrians, Turkomans, Shi’a,
Sunnis and others will be lifted. The long captivity of Iraq will
end, and an era of new hope will begin.
Iraq is a land rich in culture, resources, and talent. Freed from
the weight of oppression, Iraq’s people will be able to share in the
progress and prosperity of our time. If military action is
necessary, the United States and our allies will help the Iraqi
people rebuild their economy, and create the institutions of liberty
in a unified Iraq at peace with its neighbors.”

Oh, kind of like the Clinton Administration did during the Iraq Chrisis in the 90’s right? You know all of that talk about WMD and why we had to bomb them and kill 500,000 children with fake sanctions that didn’t prevent Saddam’s capability to produce WMD and allowed him to commit mass murder. What we have here are a bunch of dishonest partisan hacks who forget that Clinton was telling us the same lies.

Here we have William Cohen preparing the nation for military action against Saddam’s Iraq on ABC This Week in 1997:

William Cohen: We, the United Nations, those in the Security Council, those of
our allies who would be in support of this [military action], we have to remember, this is not
Saddam against the United States. This is Saddam against the United Nations and
the world. That’s what we have to keep remembering and reminding people of — not
allow him to turn this into, let’s just kick the U.S. out and everything will be
OK. This is really a threat that is global in nature and not confined to the
United States.

Sam Donaldson: I understand, Mr. Secretary. But you’re a keen student of
American politics, also. At the moment, there seems to be overwhelming support
for not allowing Saddam to get away with this.

William Cohen: Right.

Sam Donaldson: In fact, one Newsweek poll says, that if he shot down one of our
U-2s, 82 percent of the public would want to response. But if it drags on, at
some point, isn’t the public likely to say, the Clinton administration is a
paper tiger?

William Cohen: First of all, we shouldn’t formulate either foreign or defense
policy based upon public opinion polls. They tend to shift rather radically from
time to time depending upon the circumstances.
I might point out that had we depended upon public opinion polls back in 1991,
President Bush might not have had the ability to go in and do what had to be
done to evict Iraqis out of Kuwait.
I think it’s important that we have American public support for action, if it
becomes necessary. But we shouldn’t allow the public opinion polls to drive
whatever decision the president is going to make.

Comment by Spudge_Boy

I feel left out and like I just don’t count any more. I am a veteran and have been for over 50 years. Maybe my identity is just too old to steal.

Oh! To be young again! No Way–I don’t want to live through Queen George the Dumb more than I have to.

Hey, we’re all crazy because everyting in Iraq is great. We lie lie lie. Bad crazy dems.

It’s not even slightly convincing.

Just as I thought. Even if your info wasn’t part of that which was stolen,

As Think Progress pointed out yesterday, the upcoming US Census report shows that 24.5 million veterans live in the United States.

26.5 million records were stolen. That mean they most likely got information on every single veteran that lives in the United States and the records for another 2 million that live outside the United States.

So, I and the 3 others in my department believe our records were jeopardized.

All veterans. That is why this was hidden. It is everybody who has served in the military since 1975.

With fascists, making weight is only useful because it allows them to avoid authoritarian violence. But they certainly have the violence in reserve.

I think these bastards are toast. We must make this case, over and over, until they get stuck on the facts and can’t pretend. And then we have to survive their violence until their political power collapses under its strain.

The metaphor is mixed up, Think.

Stovepiping is a term in AGRICULTURE, specifically in onion farming.

Rotten onions are stovepiped into the middle of a bag of good onions, so that when onion bags are seen in the market, they look good on the outside.

It’s not, thereby, a method of getting political lies to the liars — it’s hiding rotten political lies within appearanaces of truth.