Attorney General Alberto Gonzales won’t confirm that the federal government collected the phone records of millions of Americans, as reported on May 11 in USA Today. But yesterday, Gonzales claimed that doing so was perfectly legal. From the Washington Post:
Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales said yesterday that the government can obtain domestic telephone records without court approval under a 1979 Supreme Court ruling that authorized the collection of business records…Gonzales told reporters that, under the Smith v. Maryland ruling, “those kinds of records do not enjoy Fourth Amendment protection. There is no reasonable expectation of privacy in those kinds of records.”
This is a classic case of misdirection. The issue isn’t simply whether or not collecting domestic phone records is constitutional. The issue is whether it’s legal. If the USA Today story is accurate, the NSA program appears to be illegal, not because it violates the fourth amendment, but because it violates two statutes.
Significantly, Smith v. Maryland considers activities that occurred in 1976. Both of the statutes that prohibit the activity described by USA Today were enacted after that date:
1. The Stored Communications Act of 1986 (SCA). The law prohibits the telecommunications companies from handing over telephone records to the government without a court order. (18 USC 2702-3.) There are several exceptions, none of which apply in this circumstance. The SCA was enacted in response to Smith v. Maryland.
2. The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 (FISA). The law allows this kind of domestic surveillance in two circumstances: 1) the government obtains a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, or 2) the government obtains a certification from the Attorney General that the program is legal under FISA. According to the USA Today article, neither action was taken.
The Washington Post story on Gonzales’ comments, however, doesn’t mention the Stored Communications Act or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. For that matter, it doesn’t include any legal analysis from anyone other than Gonzales.
Next time, the Washington Post should just print a transcript of the press conference. It would save them a bunch of time.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:12 amThe Washington Post story on Gonzales’ comments, however, doesn’t mention the Stored Communications Act or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. For that matter, it doesn’t include any legal analysis from anyone other than Gonzales.
Judd
I say take the question to the Right leaning Supreme Court and be done with it. Nucknucknuck ;-)
May 24th, 2006 at 10:22 amDemocrat Senators do not care that they are being wiretapped by NSA, because 4 of them voted YES for General Hayden to now use the CIA to spy on them too! The press has revealed 2 of the Dem traitors > Sen. Levin and Sen. Feinstein, but who are the other 2? Somebody please verify their names, so we the people can force them to resign in shame from the Senate?
May 24th, 2006 at 10:26 am“…we the people can force them to resign in shame from the Senate”
yeah, right… face it… the dems and the r’s are virtually interchangeable… feingold might as well be from another planet for all that he and his fellow dems have in common… who’s looking out for the commonwealth of the citizens of the united states of america…? no one that i can see…
http://takeitpersonally.blogspot.com/
May 24th, 2006 at 10:36 amThere was a law on the books in Mississippi in 1970 which legalized slavery, therefore it is perfectly legal for our fearless leader to have slaves
May 24th, 2006 at 10:40 amI-R-I:
I say take the question to the Right leaning Supreme Court and be done with it. Nucknucknuck ;-)
So do I. But the maladministration has resisted (and in this case continues to resist) any attempt at adjudication, including invoking the “state secret privilege” to attempt to block any possible court case on this or related matters that might manage to wangle its way up to the SCOTUS….
Didn’t you get your “talking points” memo from the RNC this morning?
Cheers,
May 24th, 2006 at 10:41 amfor heavens sake, jay - do some research - i found it a congress.org, looking up who was on the committee…
May 24th, 2006 at 10:43 amIs there any other legal opinion than Gonzales?
remember, god speaks directly to these people..so it is unlikely we’ll have any say
May 24th, 2006 at 10:44 amI cannot believe that there was legitimate support for Hayden among Democrats on the committee… What is happening in this and numerous other situations like it is that BushCo is extorting votes from members of Congress with threats of making public whatever nasty bits the NSA has got on them.
Sorry for being so general, but it is early, and I just wanted to get the thought out there, that BushCo’s penchant for bribery, deception and manipulation should lay plain the probability that extortion is Bush’s last stand?! Oh…that and dragging the Clintons’ name through whatever artificial mud the NYT and WaPo can create ]-)) !
See Evil!! Is Bush’s Bunker Moment coming soon?!?!
Styve
May 24th, 2006 at 10:45 am“For that matter, it doesn’t include any legal analysis from anyone other than Gonzales.†Wonder why? Because as the sitting AG of the U.S. Gonzales is the TOP legal guy. Comments, dissents, and opinions by other legal scholars have no bearing on his ruling and do make his decision illegal or wrong. If the Supreme Court were to take up the issue they could render his decision as “Unlawful†everyone else is simply offering an opinion. My Dad once told me that opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. Now would you all just line up for your free black helicopter ride to the detention facilities located throughout the U.S. and run by Halliburton.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:50 amLet’s try this again. I just hit a button on my computer and this whole window closed on me! Anyway, I think I will just say what I want to say with the fear of pissing everyone off. Who cares? Why are people (a) shocked that Gonzalez would say this; (b) shocked that Democrats would vote for Hayden; (c) shocked that the MSM would uncritically report something erroneous a member of the Administration said? This is all beginning to sound more than a bit like the whining on the Right over “liberal media bias.” Instead of complaining about this, and sitting around in our own comfy little left-wing sites, take it to the streets, send letters to the Editors of your local papers, print up leaflets and post them all over your towns, go door to door. Act! Don’t just whine.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:53 amwow 10, i was kidding, but its seems like you are pretty serious…facism, its a bitch!
May 24th, 2006 at 10:54 amFeinstein, Rockefeller, Levin and Mikulski
May 24th, 2006 at 10:56 amComments, dissents, and opinions by other legal scholars have no bearing on his ruling and do [not] [sic] make his decision illegal or wrong.
I can’t believe any real American would ever say such a thing. I guess we went to war to topple a dictatorship, and then turned around and installed one in Washingon. All hail Generalissimo Gonzales!
May 24th, 2006 at 10:59 amPost 7 > since you looked up the names of who voted for Hayden, then tell me and the thread members the names of the other 2 Dems who betrayed the United States of America yesterday? The Congress.org site you mention will not disclose that info today for some reason!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:00 amThanks post 13 > I owe you a favor for those names of the Dems who betrayed the nation!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:04 am“Why should anyone care if they’re not breaking the law????”
I’m sick of those myopic morons.
Joe Wilson’s wife had her career destroyed, an untold number of foreign agents lives were put in danger and our attempts to infiltrate Iran’s nuclear program was damaged. All this spiteful revenge resulted not from Wilson’s breaking any rules or laws, but because he told the truth. In Bush world, telling the truth makes you a target.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:04 amComments, dissents, and opinions by other legal scholars have no bearing on his ruling and do [not] [sic] make his decision illegal or wrong.
Yeah actually retarded they do have bearing and he cannot make a “legal ruling.” He is the AG, not a judge. He can give his opinion on the state of the law, but this is NOT a ruling.
Obviously you know nothing about the legal environment. But why should that surprise me, you have shown on this blog time and again you do not know much about much!!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:05 amI am contacting Senator Reid today to demand that those 4 Senators resign from the Congress immediately > they have shamed the Democratic party and the entire nation!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:06 amDoes anyone remember a time when the most qualified people in the country were elected to office and then appointed the most qualified people in the country to cabinet and judicial positions?
If so, could you please tell me about it? (Rhetorical question)
May 24th, 2006 at 11:08 am[…] Think Progress has the goods. The Attorney General of the United States is acting like a used car salesman with the law, and the Washington Post acts as a willing handmaiden in this task. […]
May 24th, 2006 at 11:09 amThink Progress, and Judd, you guys rock.
That was a very short piece in the Post, so short that I wondered if it was a work in progress.
My reaction to that short piece was, “and what about FISA? and are we now considering the NSA to be just like the cops?”
And here is Think Progress to learn me up on this. You guys rrrrock.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:12 amThere is nothing stopping the administration from collecting dirt on everyone in Congress (left and right) through illegal wiretaps (and anyone who runs for Congress, too) and who thinks they won’t? With Karl Rove running their political operations? These years may come to be seen as the time when American democracy was broken once and for all. Will we have our Sulla, our Marius, and our Caesar, or go straight to Tiberius, Caligula, and Nero?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:13 amIf this is the way the law works then what stops a pot smoking hippy from going back in time and picking out a law that says he has the right to do so? What stops a bomb making militiaman from going back in time and picking a law that says he can legally do so? Are they setting the example that we can just go back in time and pick and choose what laws we want to apply to us? If that is the game and how it works then I have been running my life quite different from the way I would like to… guess it is time for some changes… YEEEEHAAAA! This is going to be fun….
May 24th, 2006 at 11:14 amWell, gee, if we can’t trust the government and the stewards of our democracy in the media, who can we trust?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:14 amYeah Gerald - like polygamy?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:17 amYeah Gerald - like polygamy?
Comment by Jules
Oh Baby… I can be a pot smoking, bomb making, cocain in my coke, multiwife, dont care who we are bombing in the world, living it up crazy man!!! I want child slaves to… that is ok right?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:20 amGonzo doesn’t care about the law, he makes it up to fit heir Bush’s plans. Remember our estemed Unitary Executive (read dictator) knows what is best.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:21 amSorry but you’re wrong about the Stored Communications Act. If the disclosure is authorized by the telecom services provider, it’s not an offense. Read the whole statute next time.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:23 amCorporate data mining (my specialty as I had done it for over 20 years), and focus groups are being used by this government as well. The point is to collect information and then cross-reference relationships to find people related to suspected terrorists. This is particularly chilling as this is guilt by association that a person is now a suspect that has no relationship outside of business or a common casual acquaintance. These people at the Pentagon and CIA are actually processing all residents of the United States as suspects. They are casting a wide net and holding names of people that have done nothing wrong. That is also how the no-fly lists get so corrupted. Phone calls also are also used for people guilty of thought crime!
The entire hill and military leadership needs to be under investigation for this heinous crime. These people have no respect for the people, the Bill of Rights or upholding the Constitution. They are making up the rules as they go along on both sides of the isles.
All of this started with corruption by these groups that was so bad that FISA had to be created in 1978, but with revelations of Able Danger and the passing of Gen. Hayden by the Senate Intel Committee, it should be obvious to everyone that no one is accountable to the constitution or the rule of law that is holding office in DC, the CIA or the military.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:25 amGerald - actually, everything was legal at one time or another wasn’t it? I mean didn’t the so called crime have to have been committed prior to a legal body making a crime for or against it?
So sweetie - anything goes!!!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:25 amGonzales is a slick carnation-in-the-buttonhole mafiosi lawyer who missed his real calling - an acting role as Tony Soprano’s consiglieri. He has mastered the art of delivering loads of bull manure with a smile on his face - like the rest of the Bush cronies. Since he might end up in jail, I suppose his actions are understandable.
Whatever happened to Russell Tice and his testimony before Congress? Dead silence in the mainstream media, or anywhere else for that matter. Bush says “we shouldn’t be talking about this” and the lickspittle media bows down as usual.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:33 amCorporate data mining (my specialty as I had done it for over 20 years), and focus groups are being used by this government as well. The point is to collect information and then cross-reference relationships to find people related to suspected terrorists. This is particularly chilling as this is guilt by association that a person is now a suspect that has no relationship outside of business or a common casual acquaintance. These people at the Pentagon and CIA are actually processing all residents of the United States as suspects. They are casting a wide net and holding names of people that have done nothing wrong. That is also how the no-fly lists get so corrupted. Phone calls also are also used for people guilty of thought crime!
The entire hill and military leadership needs to be under investigation for this heinous crime. These people have no respect for the people, the Bill of Rights or upholding the Constitution. They are making up the rules as they go along on both sides of the isles.
All of this started with corruption by these groups that was so bad that FISA had to be created in 1978, but with revelations of Able Danger and the passing of Gen. Hayden by the Senate Intel Committee, it should be obvious to everyone that no one is accountable to the constitution or the rule of law that is holding office in DC, the CIA or the military.
Comment by Just plain mad
The scarest thing of all is how this is going to be used against Americans after we are all dead… and say .. a natural catastrophy occurs (meteroid strike in Mississippi) and the religious crazies happen to be in power at the time …. You are either with the 2nd coming or you are against GOD….
This is what the history of Rome should have taught us. Going after terrorists in THIS way may work… but if the Congress and courts do not make a point of showing this as a very special one time situation then well … just look back in time people … the American experiment of a country OF THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE is going to go back to a country of the rich few, by the rich few, for the rich few …
May 24th, 2006 at 11:38 amGood Morning Unbelievable and all, Yep! I agree#21 and no I don’t have an answer. I’ts raining dreadfuly here. Wed. is hump day so guess it must be time to bend over and kiss my ars good by…..Gonzales was installed for the above and any other make up new laws as bush chooses. The more they spout their lies do not make them legal but if this is accepted over time it could be the end of all our constitution and civil right laws. Like a turd rolling down hill it gains dirt and momentum, but in the end it is still just a turd……….Blessings all, we need them.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:39 am#10:
“For that matter, it doesn’t include any legal analysis from anyone other than Gonzales.†Wonder why? Because as the sitting AG of the U.S. Gonzales is the TOP legal guy.
OIC. Guess the Justices of the U.S. Supreme Court can just pack up and go home. “After 9/11, everything changed….”
*sheesh* The Dubya suck-ups are stoopid….
Cheers,
May 24th, 2006 at 11:40 amWow you guys got em! Good job!
When do you guys take office, you wonderful Progressives you!?
Oh wait - there’s that minor thing about winning elections. Sorry.
Well at least you’re good at sounding shrill!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:40 amOf course, it could be that Smith vs. Maryland was wrong too. While the SCOTUS is the highest court in the land, they could still be, in some sense, wrong.
I know the tendancy of us liberals in the post-Roe v Wade, post-Brown, etc. world is to be conservative regarding SCOTUS rulings as we rightfully want to preserve the liberty so-hard won in the Warren Court against the tyranny of the mob that some want to institute in lieu of a real democracy, but SCOTUS has been wrong before.
Can we take a page from the Republican play-book and ask AG G if he feels SCOTUS rulings are so sacrosanct how he feels about Dred Scott?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:41 amOh wait - there’s that minor thing about winning elections. Sorry.
Well at least you’re good at sounding shrill!
Comment by Chase — May 24, 2006 @ 11:40 am
Come back in November and we will see who sounds shrill. You’ll be crying like a little girl…which means there will be no change for you!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:44 amIf so, could you please tell me about it? (Rhetorical question)
Comment by unbelievable #20
Of course unbelievable,
…Once upon a time…
…in a land faraway…
hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:44 amDoes anyone remember a time when the most qualified people in the country were elected to office and then appointed the most qualified people in the country to cabinet and judicial positions?
Comment by unbelievable
FDR. Frankin Roosevelt was before my time, but he was reelected 4 times. He appointed fine people who helped him build a great society from the ashes of the Great Depression. FDR and his cabnet restored individual wealth and faith in government and its institutions. They created Social Security, the New Deal and FDR’s generals were the likes of Eisenhower and Patton and McArthur and won the largest and most destructive war the world has ever seen. In four years. And although he died in office, his policies were followed up with two successful military occupations of both Germany and Japan.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Roosevelt was among the most well respected and progressive thinking leaders in the world. A Gallup poll put him at the 6th most admired man of the 20th century. Historians agree that he is the third greatest president who ever lived, behind only George Washington and Abraham Lincoln.
Oh, and did I mention that he was a democrat?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:45 amLets see - The prez says he can collect info on anyone he wants without a warrant… Dems resist… then the FBI go after a democratic congressmans… then dem vote to put Haden through… hmmmmmmmmm
May 24th, 2006 at 11:45 amAlberto Gonzales is EVEN MORE of an embarrassment…
…than his gods Bushiva and L’il Dick…
…Good grief, is that even POSSIBLE?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:47 amJust plain Mad astutely notes, “The point is to collect information and then cross-reference relationships to find people related to suspected terrorists. This is particularly chilling as this is guilt by association that a person is now a suspect that has no relationship outside of business or a common casual acquaintance. These people at the Pentagon and CIA are actually processing all residents of the United States as suspects.”
*******JPM - My dear, sweet Mother used to say, “Mighty, don’t hang out with dope smoking, backsliding, flat-backers. Don’t cheat in class or ditch school. Those who lie down with dogs get up with fleas.”
I don’t socialize with casual acquaintances, and I don’t make telephone calls to the local falafel joint, Mosque, or Hezbollah Hotline. JPM and other progressive minions will be shrieking bloody murder if and when we are attacked again. I can hear the OUTRAGE now, “WHY didn’t the administration have better information and STOP the attack?”
May 24th, 2006 at 11:49 am“Obviously you know nothing about the legal environment. But why should that surprise me, you have shown on this blog time and again you do not know much about much!!
Comment by Jules”
What I know about Legal matters could be writtenn in One-Inch letters on the head of a pin. However, the AG of the U.S. is both the top cop and lawyer for the U.S. he cannot be overruled by some legal scholar, blog, or group of idiots (ACLU). He gives legal advice to the excutive branch based on HIS interpetation and precedence. if a group wants to petition a court about a legal proceding of the AG, I believe they have to got go the U.S. Supreme Court. Like I said all the other noise you hear is opinion, not a legal ruling, and the AG doesn’t have to consult them.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:51 amGonz is just a bad lawyer. Period. I can’t believe they actually considered him for the Sup Ct.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:52 am“WHY didn’t the administration have better information and STOP the attack?â€
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 24, 2006 @ 11:4
They are not doing anything now so why would I expect them to actually know how to avert an attack, or even assist US citizens after freakin storm!!
Oh yeah - the arguement will be “we have no had an attack since 9/11.” How stupid is that arguement. We had not had an attack for a couple of hundred years prior to 9/11 - so I guess this administration is at fault for failing to prevent 9/11 from happening!!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:54 amWhatever happened to Russell Tice and his testimony before Congress? Dead silence in the mainstream media, or anywhere else for that matter. Bush says “we shouldn’t be talking about this†and the lickspittle media bows down as usual.
Comment by thoughtcriminal #32
thoughtcriminal,
Don’t you know we’ve other more PRESSING news to talk about…
…like Bill and Hilary’s marriage for one…
…we progressives are just so…
…so “out of touch” with reality…
…at a time when the TREASONOUS Bushites are doing everything they can…
…to create it for us…
…now be a good citizen…
…and take a sip of this:
…the NSA is spying on you, but if you’ve nothing to hide- why worry?
…Alberto Gonzales is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the land…
hehehehehehehehehe!!!!
…he’ll protect your rights and civil liberties…
May 24th, 2006 at 11:55 amAt least two other laws were likely violated.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:57 amJPM - My dear, sweet Mother used to say, “Mighty, don’t hang out with dope smoking, backsliding, flat-backers. Don’t cheat in class or ditch school. Those who lie down with dogs get up with fleas.â€
I don’t socialize with casual acquaintances, and I don’t make telephone calls to the local falafel joint, Mosque, or Hezbollah Hotline.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 24, 2006 @ 11:49 am
Mighty asshatdite - What you don’t know is that you are already on a terrorist watch list because of your frequent visits to this site… Oh and tell your dear sweet Mother that I can’t make it tonight… she will just have to find someone else to shave her back.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:57 amMA,
Your mom gave me fleas
May 24th, 2006 at 12:03 pmHmmm. 1979. During the Carter Administration. Coincidence? I think not. Remember, if all else fails, blame a democrat. (Usually Bill Clinton these days, but reaching all the way back to Carter is not unheardof!)
So according to Gonzales, Orwell’s 1984 came five years early. And to think that I thought we still had a year or two before a full-blown Orwellian state…
May 24th, 2006 at 12:04 pmHaving this dude spit this crap is further proof that they know they’re in trouble with the law.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:05 pmFu#k off and die Gonzales, my daughter could kick your sorry ass with one arm.
JPM and other progressive minions will be shrieking bloody murder if and when we are attacked again.
Comment by mighty aphrodite #43
…believe me puny…
…if they hit YOUR house/neighborhood…
…I swear I won’t say a word…
May 24th, 2006 at 12:07 pmG.W.#49, You are so funny. Loved the shave her mothers back. Wonder if their nuckles drag on the ground as well. Here Mightey what’s a diddy have a banana with you morning kool aid………
May 24th, 2006 at 12:11 pmRemember, if all else fails, blame a democrat. (Usually Bill Clinton these days, but reaching all the way back to Carter is not unheardof!)
Comment by Parrotlover77 — May 24, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
Don’t forget FDR… Mighty Asshatdite sure hasn’t
May 24th, 2006 at 12:11 pmGonzales seems to be the Gobbels of
May 24th, 2006 at 12:12 pmthis administration. Using his authority
to intimidate people who WON’T conform.
Seriously though puny,
Why- almost 5 years after 9/11- is Bushiva just NOW making an issue of securing the borders?
…was Bushiva willing to turn over operation of 7 of our nation’s vital seaport terminals to the UAE?
…is Congress STILL pouring billions into Iraq (for reconstruction) through Halliburton KBR, knowing that they’ve been defrauding the government?
…wasn’t Tom DeLay’s, Duke Cunningham’s, Michael Safavian’s, or Bob Ney’s offices raided so spectacularly (and publicly) by the DoJ?
…are Bushite al Cracker TRAITORS so fu*king STOOOOPID!
May 24th, 2006 at 12:18 pmDear GW, Prince of Darkness - Bringing up FDR (as the closest thing to a “god” the atheist left has) was done by Joe SIXER. I was merely toning down the adulation with a few touches of reality. Of course, I know reading throught the posts would require a more of your “valuable” time….
Later!
May 24th, 2006 at 12:22 pm#55 - Thanks Sharon!
Isn’t it funny that those among us who are just one shaved back away from being chimps are the same people that don’t believe in evolution… I would think that they more than anyone would be able to see the resemblance… I guess maybe because they were unable to evolve they think that evolution is impossible?
May 24th, 2006 at 12:22 pmSuperChrist you are so freaking funny. It makes my day to read your posts. Although it does not hurt that you obvioulsy piss off Might a**wipe!!
May 24th, 2006 at 12:24 pmNice post, aphrodite. Glad to see you are up on your history. That take on Henry Wallace was a nice dig. Say, wasn’t Henry a REPUBLICAN dipshit before he switched to the democratic party right after he helped with the New Deal? Also, I remember that the Democratic Party bumped him from the ticket in 1944 due to his questionable ethics. I bet Bush would never have the guts to do that to Cheney, huh?
As for Alger Hiss, I would be ashamed to bring that sad mess up. Hiss and the false accusation by the 1950 “Commie Hunters” is not fair game since Roosevelt was long dead by the time the Hiss affair came up.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but FDR’s ignorance of the Japanese threat is certainly no more so than Bush not only ignoring the threat of Communist China, but arming it with our technology and global interests. As for Patton, I love his legacy. But he was his own worst enemy. Still, FDR respected him enough to keep him on board instead of getting rid of him—-like the Bush administration does with its military generals who won’t bow and scrape before the King.
Back to history class for you, girl, while I head down to the bar for a cold brew
(_!_)
May 24th, 2006 at 12:33 pmMighty in case you can’t pull you head far enough out of your rectal cavity to understand…FDR basically set in motion programs thar helped save the capitalist system in this country…many other countries around the world tried various systems either based on communism..or fascism…but with the Predident and the people he chose they set in motion policies that bi=oth reset the underpinnings of the economy and banking system..and rebuild the economy so that by 1939 we had enough reserve capacity to help England until we got into the war..
As for Patton…he bordered on the edge..and with the current crop in DC Patton..or McCarther would have been drummed out because neither followed lock step but both SPOKE their minds….
May 24th, 2006 at 12:33 pm#60 and 61. Yep! agree with both posts and you made my day G.W. I nearly sprayed my monitor with coffee, I was laughing so hard. We definately need more of your humor here. You supply the humor and I will follow up with virtual bananas….Blessings
May 24th, 2006 at 12:34 pmIsn’t it possible that the telcoms’ behavior was illegal, but not the government’s? (Of course “not illegal” =/= “OK”.)
May 24th, 2006 at 12:36 pmDear GW, Prince of Darkness…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 24, 2006 @ 12:22 pm
Mighty - Jesus called me the other day and told me that he wants you to stop calling me the Prince of Darkness…He says that I have only reached the status of Duke
Oh yeah - he also told me that he wants you to stop being such a hateful bitch (his words not mine).
Then he mentioned something about loving thy neighbor, the meek inheriting the earth, camels passing through needles rich people not passing through the gates of heaven, and what you do to the least of his people you do on to him… I don’t know… some hippie bullshit like that.
He sounds like a real pacifist do-gooder… I can’t see what anyone like you would want to have anything to do with him… to each his own I guess?
Yours Truly,
Duke of Darkness
May 24th, 2006 at 12:37 pmRetired Republican Soldier wrote, “For that matter, it doesn’t include any legal analysis from anyone other than Gonzales.†Wonder why? Because as the sitting AG of the U.S. Gonzales is the TOP legal guy. Comments, dissents, and opinions by other legal scholars have no bearing on his ruling and do make his decision illegal or wrong.
Red herring. The point is not whether Gonzales has the privilege of making this utterance; of course he does. The issue is whether the government’s actions were illegal and/or unconstitutional, and citing Gonzales’ opinion only is inadequate.
For a more concrete example, suppose in a local criminal case, the press only printed prosecutor’s claims, and never defense lawyers’ rebuttals of those claims. By your thinking, such press coverage would be adequate.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:43 pmRetired Republican Soldier:
However, the AG of the U.S. is both the top cop and lawyer for the U.S. he cannot be overruled by some legal scholar, blog, or group of idiots (ACLU).
Consummate stoopidity. Either civics classes are woefully deficient, or this guy is home-skooled.
The AG is frequently “overruled by [the ACLU and others]” (hell, just look at Hamdi).
*sheesh* Better trolls, please.
Cheers,
May 24th, 2006 at 12:47 pmAG, the AG, should note that his parents were
May 24th, 2006 at 12:49 pmillegal immigrants.
That means all of the Social Security he’s paid
in won’t be his, right?
AG, how about if we send your parents back to
Mexico first? I know you never served in the
miliatary and probably got a free welfare ride
to college, but hey AG, as the AG, don’t you
think making an example of your family first
is just what a good AG would do?
This just in….Bill Frist operated on his
Unlce this morning! (AHHH, the smell of
testosterone in the morning is better than
coffee…now on to the SEC investigation.
RRS forgot the AG is an attorney not a judge….thus he make a legal argument not a rule based on the constitution…that is left up to judges..like those sitting on the supreme court.
Another thing that RRS has wrong (as usual) is that federal judges at ALL levels can rule against the AG…that appellate and supreme courts only rule on the original decision…RRS so stupid so much of the time…makes me think he’s really a pimply faces neo-con wanna be and he make up the rest like MA
May 24th, 2006 at 12:53 pmmighty aphroditewrote, Joe - FDR did a good job in WWII - after ignoring the rising Japanese threat…
Huh? Heretofore my impression was that FDR was doing his best to get us into WWII, against a strong tide of “isolationism.”
Who were the leaders who were not “ignoring” the Japanese threat, and who were itching to attack Japan?
(Actually, the US did have a plan to attack Japan to provoke them into war; Japanese struck first, IIRC.)
…and tips that Jews were being annihilated.
Yes, in this regard FDR isn’t a saint. But, again, who are you comparing him to? People like George Kennan at the time advocated confronting Stalin before the war was over, slowing the advance of the Red Army. Such strategy would have resulted in many more Jews perishing at the hands of the Nazis, given that it was the Red Army (for better or worse) that liberated Eastern Europe from the Nazis.
His references to “Uncle Joe†(any relation to you?) Stalin were disgusting.
Yes, but like or not, Stalin was our ally in the war.
Don’t forget that the vast majority (maybe 5/6th?) of Wehrmacht casualties were inflicted by the Red Army.
Eisenhower and FDR handled the heroic egomaniac, George Patton in a shameful way.
Not because they loved Stalin, but because they (at least Ike) were very conservative about the strategy on the ground after the invasion of Normandy.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:54 pmOh and in case MA hasn’t realised it yet…Eisenhower probnably saved Patton by sidelining him…at the same time using him to decieve the Nazi’s into believing we were going to hit the french at another place besided normandy..thus buying needed time to consolidate the beachhead…and then when it was secure Patton got the #rd Army to run accross france…in Fact they treated him so badly the he was the first thought to send into the buldge in Dec 44 and stop the Nazi attack…don’t let the facts get in your way of spewing sh*t here MA
Beside if patton had embarrassed Rummy or Myers what do you think they would have done?
May 24th, 2006 at 1:04 pmJoeSIXER - When did Wllace find the time to be a Repub? “Henry Wallace - appointed Secretary of Agriculture in the Cabinet of President Franklin D. Roosevelt in 1933 and served until September 1940, when he resigned, having been nominated for Vice President; elected in November 1940 as Vice President of the United States on the Democratic ticket with President Franklin D. Roosevelt and was inaugurated January 20, 1941, for the term ending January 20, 1945; unsuccessful candidate for renomination in 1944; appointed Secretary of Commerce and served from March 1945 to September 1946; unsuccessful Progressive candidate for election as President of the United States in 1948.”
- http://www.bioguide/congress
Dear Prince of Darkness - “Then he mentioned something about loving thy neighbor, the meek inheriting the earth, camels passing through needles rich people not passing through the gates of heaven, and what you do to the least of his people you do on to him…”
******Funny how Jesus is conveniently utilized by the atheist left to support socialist prejudice. I’m all for helping my neighbour - I give as much as I can to charities anonymously. Unlike progs, I don’t need the adulation of poor oppressed suckers you prey upon nor am I so lazy that I need the government jumping in my purse to “grant” entitlements.
I’m really waiting for Jesus to tell you that He still loves little children - even those about to be born….but it’ll be a cold day in your realm…..
May 24th, 2006 at 1:20 pmClif - Thank you for your WWII accounts - you may take your nap now.
#71 - “Such strategy would have resulted in many more Jews perishing at the hands of the Nazis, given that it was the Red Army (for better or worse) that liberated Eastern Europe from the Nazis.” “comment” by liberal
Please explain to our viewers here in the progressive echo chamber how LONG Eastern Europe was actually “liberated” before being swallowed up by Soviet Union. 20 minutes?
May 24th, 2006 at 1:29 pmDear Prince of Darkness - “Then he mentioned something about loving thy neighbor, the meek inheriting the earth, camels passing through needles rich people not passing through the gates of heaven, and what you do to the least of his people you do on to him…â€
******Funny how Jesus is conveniently utilized by the atheist left to support socialist prejudice. I’m all for helping my neighbour - I give as much as I can to charities anonymously. Unlike progs, I don’t need the adulation of poor oppressed suckers you prey upon nor am I so lazy that I need the government jumping in my purse to “grant†entitlements.
I’m really waiting for Jesus to tell you that He still loves little children - even those about to be born….but it’ll be a cold day in your realm…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 24, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
Mighty - Jesus just called back… he said that he’s serious about wanting you to quit being such a hateful bitch (again his words not mine).
He also said that when you call the least fortunate among us “poor oppressed suckers” that you are calling him the same… he then cursed a little bit and mumbled something under his breath… I don’t think he was very happy.
After that he said that you are right… he does love the little children… but not to worry about them… he said that by being aborted before they had the opportunity to sin that they all got a free passes to heaven… he also said that you would have probably been better off having taken this route in so much as you are not doing a very good job making the short list over the long haul.
Not to worry though… he said that if you just stop being such a hateful bitch that you will really up your chances of getting in… so cut it out already!!!
Peace and Love,
Jesus & the Duke of Darkness
May 24th, 2006 at 2:06 pm#60
May 24th, 2006 at 2:31 pmI think it’s funny that there are so many among us who profess to be wise, but end up becoming fools—You deny there’s any possibility for God to exist, while you put your faith in the circular reasoning of scientists. God’s existance will never be proven in a laboratory, He won’t make Himself visible to your eyes, and you can’t measure or weigh Him. Yet his fingerprints (so to speak) are all over creation. God has made it so that those who seek Him will find Him, and those who find Him—you mock. He is God and you are not. He makes the rules not science. Science does not have all the answers—those who believe in the Big Bang theory can’t explain where the laws of physics came from that would even make an explosion possible. Scientists so proudly regale us with their lofty explanations of the DNA code, without realizing (seemingly)that a code has to do with intelligence and design. For all you shaved-back knuckle draggers, that means someone designed our DNA, or even simpler—we were created. You’re just an insignificant little speck in the universe, yet you have it all figured out don’t you. In your pride and arrogance you’ve decreed that God doesn’t exist, hence your mockery of the name of Christ. I’d be afraid if I were you—any day could be your last—then what? It’s too late to change your mind about things then isn’t it. What if you don’t just cease to exist, and you have to face an angry God, whom you’ve mocked, and whose followers you’ve ridiculed? I’d say you’re screwed unless you repent while you still have time.
I’d say you’re screwed unless you repent while you still have time.
Comment by Antagonist — May 24, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
You did copy Bush on this right?
May 24th, 2006 at 2:45 pmYet his fingerprints (so to speak) are all over creation.
Comment by Antagonist — May 24, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
Where exactly is that? In the appendix? The coccyx? The backward design of the human eye (optic nerve runs in front of the retina)? The engineering nightmare of our bone structure?
Or maybe you mean in the design of excrement? Though, as an architect, I would be fired for creating something that poops…
Perhaps you mean the intelligence of disease, cancer, viruses, and the whole anthoplogy on terrible ways to die?
When I look at the universe, I see only the fingerprints of billions and billions of years of evolution, and zero gods. And the difference between us is that I, and people like me, accept that. People like you cannot. You want more than what is here. You want promises and forever and purpose where none exists. And so when people like us point outthe obviousness of teh reality - all you can do is attack us - because deep down you know we are right. You all have doubts about your beliefs. Yet we have no doubts about accepting our reality. And you hate us for that. Because if we just felt an inkling of doubt it would be so much easier to live in your make-believe fairytale of happily ever after.
Good thing for you that when you die you won’t know that you were wrong. I can’t imagine how much that would suck.
May 24th, 2006 at 2:58 pmjust like all the media framing the issue as “should gov. be allowed to wiretap phones” rather than “should gov follow the law which requires they get a warrant from a judge by presenting evidence”
May 24th, 2006 at 3:10 pmmight aphrodite wrote, Please explain to our viewers here in the progressive echo chamber how LONG Eastern Europe was actually “liberated†before being swallowed up by Soviet Union. 20 minutes?
If you actually read my comment, you’d see I wrote about the Soviets liberating Eastern Europe from the Nazis. Which they did do. That doesn’t mean that the then-future Soviet rule over Eastern Europe was a good thing in itself.
You see, you can actually have two ideas in your head simultaneously:
1. The USSR liberated eastern and much of central Europe from the Nazis (in addition to doing most of the work of actually defeating the Nazis).
2. Soviet rule over eastern Europe was horrendous.
Both those things can be true, except perhaps in Manichaen wing-nut land.
Again, had we somehow worked to slow the Soviet advance through Europe, the fraction of European Jewry slaughtered by the Nazis would have been much higher. That, alone, doesn’t carry the attendent normative claim that helping the Jews by not slowing the Soviet advance was “worth” the later cost of eastern Europe falling under the Soviet umbrella. Rather, it’s a descriptive (aka “positive”) historical claim. Though one, however, putting your point about FDR and the Holocaust in a revealing light: what would your consistent stance have been, that would have helped the Jews more as well as standing up to Stalin more than FDR did?
Glad to see you were completely incapable of rebutting any of my points.
May 24th, 2006 at 3:14 pm“as an architect, I would be fired for creating something that poops…”
by unbelievable — 2:58 pm
ohh, ha, ha, ha ho, he. hee. mmm.
May 24th, 2006 at 3:17 pmI do not believe in God because I believe he/she will bring me eternal life. I believe because at the period of time when I was at my lowest point, where I wanted nothing better than to die and be done with the pain, turning to God helped me through to the other side. Would Budda, or Mohamad, or meditating under a tree have been as beneficial? I don’t know, that is not where I turned.
I read this really great book written by a Rabbi titled “When Bad Things Happen To Good People.” It helped, I know it did because I am here typing instead of my ashes floating over a dump somewhere.
I do not feel badly or threatend, or scared because you and others do not believe. I do not believe in hell so I do not worry for your soul. I think that was made up by churches to scare people into giving them their money. I would never try to impose my beliefs on you and would hope for the same courtesy from others.
What upsets me is people like Bush, and the trolls that come here using God to justify the things they do in his name. Like somehow what they are doing is forgiven because they have God on their side. I believe many of the things Bush does is because he does not believe in an afterlife. If there was a trinity of Lazarus it would be Bush, Rove, and Cheny. Now that is what scares me!
May 24th, 2006 at 3:19 pmUnitary Exec to Solitary Cell…sweet!!
May 24th, 2006 at 3:29 pmJust for the halibut, I’ll join in with unbelievable and say that I can’t imagine Antagonist’s god raving for eternity over my opinion of His Existence. And, since I have good friends who are gay, who have open relationships, who worship other gods, and who are generally all-around nice people, I’d much rather be in hell with them than be in heaven with the sanctimonious people who are rooting for an angry god.
And on-topic, the WaPo has fallen a long, long way in not giving this the same responsibility that they would a local trial. Whoever said that they’d at least quote the defense attorney along with the prosecutor was dead on.
May 24th, 2006 at 3:34 pmI’d advocate linking to the email addresses of newspaper’s ombudsmen or editorial pages in posts like this one. if done, readers could quickly convey their justifiable displeasure at the crappy reporting that passes for journalism in most major dailies.
plus, it’s just fun to see WaPo and NYT editors/columnists get pissy and defensive when readers (and consumers) in a free society display the chutzpah to actually call the papers on their bullshit.
May 24th, 2006 at 3:34 pmJules,
The strength you turned to in time of strife was your own. I think it unfortunate that we take the best parts of being human (love, strength, sympathy, etc.) and give them away to mythical super natural beings. We undersetimate our own ability to heal and comfort ourselves because it is not a tangible or measurable thing. And, maybe it’s why we all assume the worst in one another…
My message was for Antagonist and the people like him who constantly need to attack Atheists. I feel that as one, it is my duty to stand up to people like that who try to demonize us because we refuse to be obedient and blind.
We are frequently attacked for our lack of willingness to buy into a system that is frought with inconsistencies, exclusion, hate and a need to give up this life for what might be waiting on the other side. To us that is a dangerous system, and not only do we refuse to participate, but we refuse to sit idly by while those apologists ruin our planet, our health and our existences.
.
May 24th, 2006 at 3:52 pmI’d much rather be in hell with them than be in heaven with the sanctimonious people who are rooting for an angry god.
Comment by atablarasa — May 24, 2006 @ 3:34 pm
Amen! : )
May 24th, 2006 at 3:53 pm“I think it unfortunate that we take the best parts of being human (love, strength, sympathy, etc.) and give them away to mythical super natural beings.”
This is (almost) exactly what made the whole von Daniken “Chariots of the Gods?” thing so ultimately insulting: “human beings make the pyramids? Naaah. No way could humans do something that good.”
Morality is a human product purely. It is possible to be a staunchly moral person without appeal to some white-bearded external agency in the sky.
In really bad hours I’ve tried prayer. Guess who answered? Someone whose mental voice sounded just a weeeeeeee biiiiiiit like my own! Golly.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:03 pm…God helped me through to the other side. Would Budda, or Mohamad, or meditating under a tree have been as beneficial?.
same thing different label
…you and others do not believe…
actually we all “believe” we just call it something else
you say “god” the athiest says “nature”
Both fundamentalists and atheists dont realize :
praying=meditation=contemplation=think
god=life=everything
vision=idea
thus praying to god for a vision=thinking about life for an idea
….I would never try to impose my beliefs on you and would hope for the same courtesy from others. Jules @3:19
if you saw a person about to unknowingly step into the path of a speeding truck, after you told them to go a different way, I bet you might try to “impose your beliefs” regarding safety and snatch them back even without their permission.
we often dont know just how close in understanding to each other we all really are.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:06 pmOften we are simply too impatient to work it out.
The strength you turned to in time of strife was your own.
Comment by unbelievable — May 24, 2006 @ 3:52 pm
I guess it is easier to believe in something larger than myself then to believe I could do this on my own. I am a highly intelligent person with a wide range of interests and talents. I love myself and my life so you would think I could think more of myself. Stange huh?
May 24th, 2006 at 4:10 pmYou deny there’s any possibility for God to exist, while you put your faith in the circular reasoning of scientists. God’s existance will never be proven in a laboratory, He won’t make Himself visible to your eyes, and you can’t measure or weigh Him. Yet his fingerprints (so to speak) are all over creation. He is God and you are not…You’re just an insignificant little speck in the universe, yet you have it all figured out don’t you… I’d be afraid if I were you—any day could be your last—then what? It’s too late to change your mind about things then isn’t it. What if you don’t just cease to exist, and you have to face an angry God, whom you’ve mocked, and whose followers you’ve ridiculed? I’d say you’re screwed unless you repent while you still have time.
Comment by Antagonist — May 24, 2006 @ 2:31 pm
Antagy old boy - I don’t deny that God exists I just talked to him… well his boy anyway.
Jesus told me that you are right his fingerprints are all over creation… he wanted to apologize about that… he said after creating powdered donuts on the third day that he couldn’t help but get them everywhere.
Oh he also wanted to apologize for the whole appendix thing… he said that it was supposed to play music… he said he thinks that maybe he should have created it before creating beer… you know how it goes… glug glug glug
Anyway - I don’t pretend to have it all figured out… Jesus did tell me however that most scientists are surprisingly close to having it figured out… Oh and he also told me not to worry about my day of reckoning… he said that he’ll buy me a beer when I get there.
He also wanted me to tell you that it is your actions not your words that he judges… he also said something about judge not lest ye be judged… then he said that your judgment would be a lot kinder if you were a lot kinder… and that he would like for you to stop being such a judgmental prick bastard (his words).
Good corresponding with you Christian Brother!!!
Now go forth and love your neighbor as Jesus has commanded…. Peace and Love Brother!!!
May 24th, 2006 at 4:15 pmUnbelievable,
I do not attack athiests—I respect a person’s right to believe whatever they want to believe. I do however take exception to those who ridicule Christians and who scoff at God’s existance. Granted, there are many who simply practice a religion, and have been indoctrinated into a belief system frought with inconsitency and error. Still there are those who have had an experience with God that has changed their lives, and no amount of science can explain away their experience. There’s something real to this Christianity stuff—something you know nothing about, but you use your past empty religious experience as your shining proof that God doesn’t exist. You never encountered Him, and unless He interviens, you never will in this life. I don’t demonize you…I pity you.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:18 pmI love myself and my life so you would think I could think more of myself. Stange huh?
Comment by Jules — May 24, 2006 @ 4:10 pm
I think self-esteem is one of the most demonized survival instincts we have as humans. And organized religions play a huge role in that propaganda… Because they need people to think that they need them… And what better way to do that than an omnipotent and omniscent being that gives no assistance, direction, or support - except through the church, and blind faith.
I have no problems with spirituality. It’s probably a good thing to believe that there is a connection between all life. It’s just when it is used to oppress some people for the gain of others that I become angry.
You’re quite capable of nearly anything Jules. You. You are a powerful, wise and strong person. Never question that. Never let anyone else take that from you. Because, as I learned in my screwed up youth, sometimes you are all you have - and sometime that strength is all you have to get you through. And when you do - you deserve the credit.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:19 pm“The AG is frequently “overruled by [the ACLU and others]†(hell, just look at Hamdi).
*sheesh* Better trolls, please.” Ahem, the ACLU didn’t “overrule” the AG. The Supreme Court ruled on whether the President can deatain a combatant indefinately. They AG gave LEGAL counsel to the President on the Detention. The ACLU is Gaggle of lawyers and NOT a government organization, does not write law, and can only lobby or represent people in court. They don’t rule on laws, or write law, but they sometimes like to make it up,.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:19 pmIn really bad hours I’ve tried prayer. Guess who answered? Someone whose mental voice sounded just a weeeeeeee biiiiiiit like my own! Golly.
Comment by Glenn Becker — May 24, 2006 @ 4:03 pm
You are your own god. Period.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:21 pmthe dems and the r’s are virtually interchangeable… feingold might as well be from another planet …Comment by profmarcus — May 24, 2006 @ 10:36 am
they said Feinstein not Feingold. Big difference.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:24 pmThere’s something real to this Christianity stuff—something you know nothing about, but you use your past empty religious experience as your shining proof that God doesn’t exist. You never encountered Him, and unless He interviens, you never will in this life.
I know just as much as you do. I was as much of a Christian as anyone else whoclaims to be. Trying to say otherwise it to sole assuage yourself from teh fact that people can and do reject religion for something far better - reality.
You haven’t encountered ‘him’ either. you just give away the best parts of yourself to something invisible and call that a ‘religious experience’. It’s not a god you encounter - it is you. Maybe if you ever come to experience reality, you’ll understand. There is nothing more beautiful and absolutely nothing to fear. Nothing to fear.
I don’t demonize you…I pity you.
Comment by Antagonist — May 24, 2006 @ 4:18 pm
There is nothing to pity. I am happier and healthier and a much more moral person living by my own ideology. I would NEVER go back to being a puppet. No matter how bigthe carrots that organized religions dangle may be - nothing is better than free will without consequence (a.k.a. reality).
May 24th, 2006 at 4:27 pmHmmmm… Hell with G.W.SuperChrist or heaven with Mighty Hemoroidy?
No contest. :)
May 24th, 2006 at 4:29 pmJules - by the way I don’t mean to offend you or anyone who takes comfort in their religion and who draws upon it to give them strength to be better people.
I do however mean to offend those sanctimonious bastards that use their religion to assert power over others…. I don’t recall Jesus acting like that.
Oh by the way - for those of you that might say that I don’t know anything about Jesus… I have read the Bible cover to cover… more that can be said for most “Christians”.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:36 pmHmmmm… Hell with G.W.SuperChrist or heaven with Mighty Hemoroidy?
No contest. :)
Comment by unbelievable — May 24, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
I am so with you. I would rather spend eternity laughing my ass off (literally, it’s gone) then listening to it spew half truths and outright lies!!!
But as I do not believe in hell, I hope it will be OK with you and GW if we spend it in a bar or on a cloud or even the golf course!
May 24th, 2006 at 4:37 pmprogressive minions will be shrieking bloody murder if and when we are attacked again. I can hear the OUTRAGE now, “WHY didn’t the administration have better information and STOP the attack?â€Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 24, 2006 @ 11:49 am
Actually they HAD the information. Remember! They just are bad managers and bad leaders. anyone can yell “Charge”, anyone can look tough with the US military standing behind them.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:37 pmAnd anyone can be a manager when theres nothing to manage, its when theres problems that it counts, and prior to september 11 the admin ignored all the clear and available information, on september 11 george bush was clueless and cowardly, and since september 11 BushCo has neither gotten better at preventing and managing crises (Katrina, Iran, Iraq) nor caught Bin Laden or Eliminated the Taliban in Afghanistan.
I have read the Bible cover to cover… more that can be said for most “Christiansâ€.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — May 24, 2006 @ 4:36 pm
The reality indicates that Jesus was against being a religious figure. So, it doesn’t surprise me when the sanctimonious version of Christians violate hisother teaching and wishes (private prayer, humility, love, compassion, sympathy, etc.)
May 24th, 2006 at 4:39 pmThose who lie down with dogs get up with fleas.â€
I don’t socialize with casual acquaintances, and I don’t make telephone calls to the local falafel joint, Mosque, or Hezbollah Hotline.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 24, 2006 @ 11:49 am
see theres your problem. You think all dogs have fleas.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:40 pmSuperChrist - thank you for that but you are not offensive you are freaking hillarious. I actually kind of see Jesus as you say. I know that is nuts, but if there truly is a God, he/she has got to have a hell of a sense of humor. I do not believe he/she is the cruel unforgiving “being” that many of the trolls here make her/him out to be. That is why I cannot believe there is a hell.
May 24th, 2006 at 4:41 pmBut as I do not believe in hell, I hope it will be OK with you and GW if we spend it in a bar or on a cloud or even the golf course!
Comment by Jules — May 24, 2006 @ 4:37 pm
As long as it comes with ocean access (I’m a water nut) that’s fine by me : )
May 24th, 2006 at 4:42 pmAs long as it comes with ocean access (I’m a water nut) that’s fine by me : )
Comment by unbelievable — May 24, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
How about a cruise ship? I really do not like being on the water but if I am dead already I am not seeing a problem!
May 24th, 2006 at 4:48 pmAG, the AG, should note that his parents were
illegal immigrants.
That means all of the Social Security he’s paid
in won’t be his, right?
AG, how about if we send your parents back to
Mexico first?Comment by Zimzone — May 24, 2006 @ 12:49 pm
BAM! It’s a knockout!!
May 24th, 2006 at 4:48 pmHmmmm… Hell with G.W.SuperChrist or heaven with Mighty Hemoroidy?
No contest. :)
Comment by unbelievable — May 24, 2006 @ 4:29 pm
I am so with you. I would rather spend eternity laughing my ass off (literally, it’s gone) then listening to it spew half truths and outright lies!!!
But as I do not believe in hell, I hope it will be OK with you and GW if we spend it in a bar or on a cloud or even the golf course!
Comment by Jules — May 24, 2006 @ 4:37 pm
Good news guys!!!
I just talked to Jesus and he says that you two are golden… he also says that I’m pretty good too but that he would prefer that I stop stealing my neighbors Victoria’s Secret Catalogues.
I said okay and he said… Cloud Golf and Beer for everyone!!!
May 24th, 2006 at 4:52 pmI really do not like being on the water but if I am dead already I am not seeing a problem!
Comment by Jules — May 24, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
Good point… Let’s add a volcano then for fire works at night… :)
May 24th, 2006 at 4:59 pmhe would prefer that I stop stealing my neighbors Victoria’s Secret Catalogues.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — May 24, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
You are a riot!
May 24th, 2006 at 5:01 pmDon’t bust the reporters for the Post too hard, they aren’t lawyers and they
May 24th, 2006 at 5:14 pmwork under terrible deadlines. The role of the blogs is to issue this kind of
commentary, and then make it newsworthy.
Unbelievable - I just talked to the big guy again… he says that cloud golf with ocean access is cool with him… but he says you have to bring your own sun screen… something about a back order problem.
Jules – he also says that he can swing the volcano thing… he thinks it’s a good idea and wonders why he didn’t think of it first?
Oh he also says don’t worry about the water… in heaven your first pair of floaties is free.
May 24th, 2006 at 5:28 pmhe would prefer that I stop stealing my neighbors Victoria’s Secret Catalogues.
That’s OK, I’ll save mine and bring them with me!
May 24th, 2006 at 5:30 pmSuperChrist - If you are married I hope your wife knows what a find she has in you.
Dang…death will be sweet!!! No wait….
May 24th, 2006 at 5:46 pmSuch kind words Jules…. thank you!
I am married… but I think it was I that made the find… my wife is a very kind and loving person… I consider myself the lucky one!
Peace Yall… gotta run… no really I gotta run… all this computer activity makes a person lethargic… it’s time for me to go outside and take a jog.
May 24th, 2006 at 6:02 pm……For that matter, it doesn’t include any legal analysis from anyone other than Gonzales.
bwaaaahahahahaha!! this is the new Pravda and has nothing to do with any illusion of a free press.
abolish the WA Pravda I mean WA Post
May 24th, 2006 at 7:01 pmMighty Moron, As to FDR having Alger Hiss and W. Chambliss as part of his administration, consider this; Better red than dead.
May 24th, 2006 at 7:08 pmPersonally, I’d like Gonzales to show us his Green Card! Bush had to dig him up from somewhere. Especially since his interpretation of the law is the equivalent of finding his degree in a “Cracker Jack” box!
May 24th, 2006 at 8:55 pmThis man is a traitor and a “clear and present “danger.
Duh. No comment. We’ve been screaming about this for nearly four years. Geez. What a surprise…. We’ll be in Chicago on June 2nd speaking about media lies and ommissions about 9/11…..and so much else. Join us.
http://TvNewsLIES.org
May 24th, 2006 at 10:53 pmThe 4th Estate is merging with the 4th Reich.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:13 pmClif - Thank you for your WWII accounts - you may take your nap now.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — May 24, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
That the best you got…that the best a lawyer could come up with? PLEASE…tell me how good a lawyer you are….BHawahwahwb wanbahwh…your a lawyer on the Barney childrens show right?
As for a nap..instead I went to a neighbors and helped get his hay in before the rain.
May 25th, 2006 at 1:21 amUnlike progs, I don’t need the adulation of poor oppressed suckers you prey upon nor am I so lazy that I need the government jumping in my purse to “grant†entitlements.
comment by Mighty Hypocrite
But you did admit twice on yesterday’s Murtha thread that you accept money for trolling. Does that come directly from the RNC, or a government fund like the one that paid Armstrong Williams something like $240,000 for shilling for the administration and other phony “reporters” lesser sums?
May 25th, 2006 at 2:11 amThe Washington Post still reports the news? The real news?
That’s gnus to me!
May 25th, 2006 at 2:45 amand 18 usc 3121 specifically requires a warrant for Pen Register traps.
May 25th, 2006 at 7:17 pmLora- you’re such a stupid, gullible SUCKER. “But you did admit twice on yesterday’s Murtha thread that you accept money for trollin” tee-hee!!!
May 25th, 2006 at 7:17 pm“As for a nap..instead I went to a neighbors and helped get his hay in before the rain.” - Comment by Clif
May 25th, 2006 at 7:34 pm****I would think your specialty would be shoveling out the stalls.
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May 25th, 2006 at 9:17 pmNo, Mighty, you’re the stupid for thinking people are falling for your fake identity as an attorney, when you can’t even spell correctly words commonly used in the legal world–not to mention a considerable amount of basic English. The RNC is really wasting their money on you.
don’t make telephone calls to the local falafel joint,
comment by Mighty Hypocrite
Maybe you don’t , but reichwing idol Bill O’Lielly does.
May 25th, 2006 at 10:30 pm