ThinkFast: May 24, 2006
ThinkFast: May 24, 2006
“Iran has followed President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s recent letter to President Bush with explicit requests for direct talks on its nuclear program,” marking a “profound change” away from Iran’s long-held “taboo against contact with Washington.” In the U.S., “government experts have exerted mounting pressure on the Bush administration to reply to the letter,” without success.
The Federal Communications Commission refuses to pursue complaints about the National Security Agency’s telephone data-mining program “because it cannot obtain classified material.”
Despite Homeland Security Secretary Chertoff’s assertion that the U.S. is “much more prepared as a nation than we have ever been to confront a major hurricane,†problems remain as hurricane season approaches. “Hundreds of thousands of displaced victims from last year’s hurricanes [are] still living in more than 100,000 trailers,†efforts to effectively track supplies are “uncoordinated,†and “FEMA’s hurricane operations plan is unfinished.â€
The American Civil Liberties Union (A.C.L.U.), a longtime champion of free speech, may block free speech by its board. The group is weighing new standards that state “a director may publicly disagree with an A.C.L.U. policy position, but may not criticize the A.C.L.U. board or staff.” One former board member said of the proposal: “I can’t think of anything more contrary to the reason the A.C.L.U. exists.”
“Nobody is being tortured at Guantanamo Bay,” State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters yesterday, part of a “counter-attack against Amnesty International.” The group’s latest annual report found that U.S. policies are undermining human rights around the globe.
“The headlong, American-backed effort to arm tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers and officers,” the New York Times reports, “coupled with a failure to curb a nearly equal number of militia gunmen, has created a galaxy of armed groups, each with its own loyalty and agenda, which are accelerating the country’s slide into chaos.”
Meanwhile, the U.N. Assistance Mission in Iraq issued a human rights update yesterday that found “execution-style killings… have increased during a surge of sectarian violence.†“Baghdad’s main morgue – which handles only the remains of victims of violent or suspicious deaths, not including bombing victims – issued 1,155 death certificates in April.â€
The African Union, which at times has resisted having U.N. peacekeeping troops sent to curb the genocidal violence in Darfur, suggested yesterday U.N. forces should be sent “within two months to bolster a peace accord and prevent the humanitarian crisis from worsening.” (For that to happen, Sudan’s government must first approve the decision.)
Trial begins today for David Safavian, formerly the Bush administration’s top procurement official. Safavian “is charged in a five-count indictment with making false statements to Senate and GSA investigators looking into his relationship with Abramoff.
And finally: Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist has been performing heart surgery on the National Zoo’s gorillas. The Washington Post sets the post-surgery mood: “At 9:30 a.m., Frist opened the Senate, gripping the corners of the lectern, as he had the operating table. Across the city, rolling in a bed of hay, Kuja opened his eyes and grunted. The gorilla kept touching his tongue to his tooth. Something had changed inside of the beast while he slept. Frist smiled and spoke unremarkably from the lectern, reeking of silverback testosterone.â€
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In the U.S., “government experts have exerted mounting pressure on the Bush administration to reply to the letter,†without success.
In Bush’s case – silence is better than anything he could possibly say to Iran. Instead, we need a real dipolmat to handle this delicate situation in the best interest of the American and Iranian people. Last thing we need are those two lunatic tyrants speaking to one another.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:13 amwhat never ceases to astound me is how this administration can continue to do and say such outrageous things 1) with a straight face, and 2) without the entire country either falling over laughing or picking up rakes and hoes and storming the white house…
the administration only cares about things that will advance its power… there’s really nothing else to say…
Visit my blog: And, yes, I DO take it personally
May 24th, 2006 at 9:14 amhave increased during a surge of sectarian violence.
More religious violence? Really? Sheesh…
May 24th, 2006 at 9:14 am“Well, your first patient was a dog,” Karyn said. In medical school, Frist cut out a dog’s heart and held it in his palm. It continued to beat for a slippery minute.
“Watching it beat, the beauty of it,” Frist recalled. “I decided I would spend my life centered around the heart.”
I see he’s moved on to cutting out human hearts now…
May 24th, 2006 at 9:19 am#2 – Does that mean he can prosecute the President for releasing classified information to the media?
Oh wait, if Pres. Bush released the information then it’s not classified, right?
Then why did Pres. Bush continue to cry like a wuss on national TV about the disclosure of “classified information”?!?!?
Only a neo-con Republican can declassify information and continue to complain about the leaking of classified information. Does this qualify as a split personality disorder? Or just retardation?!? Hmmm. . . .
May 24th, 2006 at 9:23 am#4 – I guess when you don’t really have one of your own, you’ve gotta go after the hearts of other people. . . .
May 24th, 2006 at 9:24 amThe Times-Picayune
EDITORIAL: Looking ahead on levees
Wednesday, May 24, 2006
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In the first few days after the storm, the cause of the water pouring into greater New Orleans seemed obvious: A fearsome storm had thrown more water at the floodwalls than they could handle.
But in subsequent months, it became clear that the causes of the levee failures were more complex than most Americans realize. The forces that Katrina brought to bear on the levees did not exceed the design capacity of most of the levee system. The floodwalls that failed along the 17th Street Canal were never topped. According to the independent investigators, those floodwalls were built improperly on improper soils. So were the levees that should have protected St. Bernard Parish and the Lower 9th Ward but were swept away by Katrina’s storm surge.
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http://www.nola.com/news/t-p/editorials/index.ssf?/base/news-3/114846765950150.xml&coll=1
May 24th, 2006 at 9:26 amThe Bush Administration negotiate with somone? No way.
The entire diplomatic corps is on an extended vacation, nothing doing until Bush leaves office. Only the neo-con bitch, Condi Rice, is allowed or authorized to speak for the administration, and that applies only to 911 and the spin that goes with it. She is also authorized to trash Iran at every turn.
No – nothing doing. There is no negotiatins going on anywhere in the world.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:29 amThe Federal Communications Commission refuses to pursue complaints about the National Security Agency’s telephone data-mining program “because it cannot obtain classified material.â€
How can people stand for a program that is so secretive that it is beyond any oversight what so ever… so far the FCC, the Justice Department, and Congress have all swung and missed.
Without oversight the legality of these programs can not be assessed… even if it was challenged in court the administration would argue that Judges do not have the necessary clearance to review the case.
When will we as a people stand up and accept this shit no longer?
May 24th, 2006 at 9:30 amThe ACLU link doesn’t work
May 24th, 2006 at 9:34 amWhen will we as a people stand up and accept this shit no longer?
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist — May 24, 2006 @ 9:30 am
I was having a conversation with Bruce Gorton about South Africa’s troubles and how much they parallel what’s happening here right now. He said it took 41 years of corruption before there was any change. And I think most of us here know how bad it got there (and they still have the worst murder rate in the world).
I am still certain that until the pain of ‘what is’ becomes greater than the fear of ‘what if’, we will see no improvement – just further decay.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:40 amWhat I want to know is why the Republicans are denouncing the search of that hippy congressman’s office. Don’t they know how bad that looks? They were handed a perfect democrat corruption story, they guy even hid the money in his freezer, and they do this with it:
May 24th, 2006 at 9:41 am“I’ve got to believe at the end of the day it’s going to end up across the street, at the Supreme Court,” Boehner said. “I don’t see anything short of that.”
I don’t think the latest bin Laden tape is authentic. Here is why.
May 24th, 2006 at 9:50 amSearches Highlight FBI Corruption Probes
The raid on Democratic Rep. William Jefferson’s office over the weekend apparently was the first time FBI agents had ventured onto Capitol Hill armed with a search warrant.
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The bureau’s stepped-up effort has come partly as a result of the inactivity of congressional ethics committees, even in the face of serious bribery allegations.
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see also: Search of lawmaker’s office angers congressional leaders
May 24th, 2006 at 9:53 amSpongebob – it is because they know they are next. All of Duke, Tom’s and Jack’s friends are shaking in their $500 shoes!!
May 24th, 2006 at 9:56 am“It is true it’s never been done before, and the reason isn’t because there’s never been corruption in Congress … but because before, we were able to reach accommodation or agreement to get the information, the evidence we needed through subpoena,” Gonzales said. “And through variety of reasons, that could not occur here.”
“At the end of day, the decision was made that this was essential to move forward with that investigation,” he said.
i think finding a democrat had more that anything to do with any investigation…
May 24th, 2006 at 10:00 amOff topic, but I am curious: When it comes to Gun Control, the argument has always been, “we don’t need more laws, we just need to enforce the ones we have.” but when it comes to immigration, enforcing the ones we have is not enought, we need more laws?
May 24th, 2006 at 10:01 amBut it is so much easier to blow up someone you don’t know.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:03 amI fail to see what good, if any, the ACLU will be able to accomplish if they suddenly start airing their grievances in public. The organization will become more focused on PR efforts and in-fighting than protecting the liberties of other people.
Not to mention the fact that this opens the door for political manipulation of the organizations actions, who is does or does not help, etc. What happens if someone gets on the board who is one of the loyal %30? One of those people whose only interest in conservative power? Someone with political connections? Then that person will suddenly be openly criticisizing everything the ACLU does, in the open and/or on Fox News, whenever he doesn’t get his/her way.
Sorry, but if the board wants to disagree with each other they are welcome to do so when these issues are discussed. BUt there is no possible logical reason to go to the public and cry and speak to O’reilly just because you don’t like how the majority of the board acted. And it isn’t even about complaining. This is about openly disrespecting your fellow board members. “Naming names” so to speak.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:05 amIn an election year, enforcing existing laws isn’t as showy as coming up with new laws. And of course congress doesn’t enforce laws, that’s the executive’s job, and we’ve seen how well they’ve handled that.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:07 amDo we know if Senator Frist did that surgery on the gorilla by video link, or did he actually have to do it in person?
May 24th, 2006 at 10:18 amfrist smells like something but it ain’t silverback testosterone
May 24th, 2006 at 10:26 amDoes anybody on here know the names of the 4 Democrat traitors who voted for Hayden to run the CIA? Sen. Levin was one and Sen. Feinstein another, but who are the other 2 cockroaches?
I would like their names please, so they can be exposed as sleaze on the blogs!
May 24th, 2006 at 10:30 am#13 – Mash, great as always. ;)
#17 – You are correct, sir! It plays well to the redneck base.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:32 am#23 – Jay, check DKos, they usually have a run down of this kind of thing.
Later ya’ll, I’m off to Coeur d’Alene for my son’s advising appointment. Never been to the campus, it’s right on Coeur d’Alene Lake, so should be lovely.
Play nicely!
May 24th, 2006 at 10:35 amRegarding the FBI issuing a search warrant for the office of a Congressman. Maybe the FBI realizes that Congress can not be relied upon policing themselves and had to take direct action. When the ethics committees sit on their collective ass all day due to Repug fear someone has to do something. The only thing that I find strange is why they don’t do it more often as in Delay, Duke and others.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:44 amWith Frist getting all that practice on gorillas maybe he will be willing to operate on a chimp. Unfortunately, the chimp I have in mind probably doesn’t have a heart. Check out the repug answer to Cheech and Chong–Chimp and Chump. Just click on Clyde.
May 24th, 2006 at 10:46 amThe only thing that I find strange is why they don’t do it more often as in Delay, Duke and others.
ding-ding-ding-ding-ding! like i said – now they have a democrat, and to be fair, “guess we should investigate our guys too”… not strange at all… pretty typical…
May 24th, 2006 at 10:48 amI had not thought about unprecedented FBI search of a congressman’s office and its unconstitutionality until it was brought up this week. But it raises a question: why wasn’t that tried in the case of Tom Delay or Duke Cunningham or Bob Ney?
May 24th, 2006 at 10:58 amJefferson’s bribery charge goes back nine months, so why was his office searched now? — I don’t excuse him, if he’s guilty, he should be gone. Pelosi should start by removing him from committees — but the timing is curious.
#26, #28 Diet and your mom, you may have stumbled upon the answer to my question.
Of the ten Congressmen found guilty, indicted, and/or suspected of wrongdoing (Delay(R), Ney (R), Lewis (R), Jefferson (D), Hunter (R), Goode (R), Pombo (R), Doolittle (R), Weldon (R), Cunningham (R)), whose Congressional Office did the FBI break into and search? Nine to one says you will coincidentally pick the right answer. Of course, it may be that he answer is just Black and White.
Click on Clyde!
May 24th, 2006 at 10:59 amHow Bush Brewed the Iranian Crisis
Why did the Bush regime create a crisis over Iran?
The answer is that the Bush regime is desperate to widen the war in the Middle East.
What has Iran done? Unlike Israel, Pakistan, and India, countries that developed nuclear weapons on the sly, Iran signed the nonproliferation treaty. Countries that sign this treaty have the right to develop nuclear energy. The International Atomic Energy Agency monitors their energy programs to guard against the programs being used to cloak a weapons program. Until the Bush regime provoked a crisis, Iran was cooperating with the inspection safeguards. The weapons inspectors have found no Iranian weapons programs.
There is no evidence for the Bush regime’s accusation that Iran is developing nuclear weapons. What the Bush regime is trying to do is to unilaterally take away Iran’s right under the Nonproliferation Treaty to develop nuclear energy. It is the Bush regime that is violating the treaty by attempting to deny its benefits to Iran. The Bush regime is acting illegally because of its paranoid suspicion that five or 10 years in the future Iran will use what it has managed to learn about uranium enrichment to develop a weapons program.
Why is the Bush regime concerned about what Iran might do in the future? Is it because the U.S. government intends to continue its bullying in the Middle East and is worried that Iran will get tired of it and develop nuclear weapons as a check on U.S. hegemony over the Muslim world? Why does the Bush regime think that its interest in the Middle East takes priority over the interests of the countries that are located there?
In a CNN TV interview on Sunday, May 21, the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, said that it was only a matter of months before Iran would be making nuclear weapons.
Olmert’s claim is absurd, as every weapons expert knows, and, indeed, as he knows himself. The only possible purpose of such a nonsensical claim is propaganda. Olmert is helping the Bush regime use fear to prepare Americans to accept an attack on Iran, just as Dick Cheney and Condi Rice invoked images of mushroom clouds to prepare Americans for the illegal invasion of Iraq.
One might think that having been deceived by the Bush regime over Iraq, the American people would have their eyes open to deception this time around. But apparently not. The same public that gives Bush a mere 30 percent approval rating, largely because of the Iraqi fiasco, is making no demands that Bush stop his march to war with Iran.
Not a day passes without new threats and lies issuing from Dick Cheney, Bonkers Bolton, and Condi Rice, and no one holds them accountable. The U.S. media is proud to be complicit in lies and war crimes.
Ah, but the Iranian president said that he was going to “wipe Israel off the face of the earth.”
He did not. He said that Israel should be wiped off the face of the Middle East in the sense of being removed to Europe. He was making the rhetorical point that if the Europeans so favored a Jewish state, why did the Westerners not give the Jews part of Europe or North America? Why did they give the Jews Palestine, which was not theirs to give?
One may agree or disagree with the Iranian’s point, but it was not a threat to kill the Jews.
The Iranians cannot kill the Jews even if they wanted, because Israel has nuclear weapons. Being somewhat paranoid – not altogether without reason – Israel is not going to sit there and be destroyed.
The U.S. cannot forever dominate the Middle East on behalf of its interests and Israel’s. The U.S. is running out of resources. The U.S. is heavily in debt, yet continues to hemorrhage red ink. Washington is dependent on foreigners to finance its wars. The American middle class is beginning to experience employment problems and income stagnation. The neocons’ idea that the U.S. can patrol Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, and Syria in perpetuity is insane. The Bush regime has proven that the U.S. cannot even occupy Baghdad.
Unless the U.S. government intends nuclear genocide against Muslims, it cannot prevail in war in the Middle East. A solution in the Middle East requires diplomacy and good will, not threats and aggression. Yet the Bush regime refuses to even meet with Iranian leaders.
By refusing to meet, talk, and negotiate, Bush is telling Iranians that they have no choice. Either they comply and do what Bush demands, or they will be attacked.
That is the Iranian Crisis in a nutshell.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:00 amone thing with jefferson that i cannot shake is that he got bribed with 100k, and then they found 90k of that money in his freezer…it seems if this was his practice he would have hid the money, or there would have been other monies in the stash besides what was handed to him during a sting operation…i’m not saying, just asking: is this entrapment?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:04 amNobody is being tortured at Guantanamo Bay
This is the downfall of america Guantanamo ,,,,,,,, America is a piece of shit that should be wipped of the map
May 24th, 2006 at 11:05 amZookeeper, thanks, I am wearing my tinfoil hat today.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:06 amTobey Tall: how did you go from literate to illiterate in only 5 minutes?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:08 ambushlit – I agree. If the guy is guilty then hang him. But has anyone seen the tape? He could be the sleaziest a**wipe in congress (yeah, I know, that would actually be Delay), but don’t we still have a constitutional right that says innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW? Are we giving up that constitutional right too?
It is confusing because who would hide money in a freezer? If congressional offices have never previously been searched and he was trying to hide the money why wouldn’t he have hidden it in his office? He would have the expectation that his office would not be searched, right? Surely he has a drawer that locks in his office.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:11 am#36 – who knows, he probably watched goodfellas once too often or maybe it was suggested that that is a safe spot…regardless of what jefferies did, and if he was picked out as a patsy or a dishonorable greedwhore (something tells me the answer is in the middle) it does not excuse the underlining culture of corruption the right has infused in washington – which was highlighted nicely by a little story the HUD director told a few weeks ago…
May 24th, 2006 at 11:15 amwhy wouldn’t he have hidden it in his office?
Comment by Jules — May 24, 2006 @ 11:11 am
Or a Swiss Bank Account?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:25 am“but don’t we still have a constitutional right that says innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW?”
May 24th, 2006 at 11:26 amThats what I said about the wiretapping issues, and I got laughed at.
Oh, and on Rove
May 24th, 2006 at 11:27 amThats what I said about the wiretapping issues, and I got laughed at.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:28 amComment by squegeeboo — May 24, 2006 @ 11:26 am
Thats what I said about the wiretapping issues, and I got laughed at.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:28 amComment by squegeeboo — May 24, 2006 @ 11:26 am
Thats what I said about the wiretapping issues, and I got laughed at.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 24, 2006 @ 11:26 am
More likely because Bush isn’t going to see a courtroom on that one. Plus – he admitted it to doing it. On national television.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:30 amRegarding the FBI issuing a search warrant for the office of a Congressman. Maybe the FBI realizes that Congress can not be relied upon policing themselves and had to take direct action. When the ethics committees sit on their collective ass all day due to Repug fear someone has to do something. The only thing that I find strange is why they don’t do it more often as in Delay, Duke and others.
Comment by dlet
As much as I would like to see Congress cleaned up … if this becomes the precedent then how long will it be before the King of America can have the Congress rounded up and locked up and claim the “temporary” power of unitary executive over the working of the no longer in session forever Congress?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:30 am“but don’t we still have a constitutional right that says innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW?â€
Thats what I said about the wiretapping issues, and I got laughed at.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 24, 2006 @ 11:26 am
What does this have to do with wiretapping?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:30 ama program vs a person, good job troll…we have a hard time figuring out a persons guilt or innocence because of details regarding the persons motives & actiosn, all of the details of the program are already written, known, they just need to be reviewed
May 24th, 2006 at 11:32 am“What does this have to do with wiretapping?”
May 24th, 2006 at 11:33 amJust pointing out hypocracy, that was it.
“What does this have to do with wiretapping?â€
Just pointing out hypocracy, that was it.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 24, 2006 @ 11:33 am
I am still so lost as to what you are writing. What does this have to do with wiretapping?
May 24th, 2006 at 11:35 amHere’s one (from the NYT) you missed TP:
It’s distressing that lawmakers even need to be prodded to provide additional relief. Since their last recess, their biggest “achievement” has been a two-year extension of investor tax cuts, worth nearly $51 billion, for America’s wealthiest families. Congress hustled to lock in the tax cuts this month, even though they weren’t scheduled to expire until the end of 2008. Yet those same lawmakers are now running out the clock on unemployment benefits for some of America’s neediest families. The estimated cost for a 13-week extension is $125 million.
-NYT-
It apperas Congress may well leave Katrina and Rita victims (still unemployed after 9 months) in the lurch, while they (Congress) take the week off…
…unemployment benefits for some 80,000 unemployed Katrina and Rita victims are set to expire…
…and apparently, Congress is in no mood to extend them…
…of courese these lazy/stupid (according to that squeagysucker and his friends) Katrina and Rita victims don’t deserve to have their unemployment benefits extended…
…the RICH need our government’s largesse far more than the Katrina and Rita victims…
May 24th, 2006 at 11:38 am“I am still so lost as to what you are writing. What does this have to do with wiretapping?”
If Bush, Rove,Delay, etc. do something that may/may not be illegal, their guilty. When this guy gets caught doing something that may/may not be illegal, it’s wait, wait, hold on, lets give him a fair chance, let him go thru trial, then we’ll decide if he’s guilty or not. That is what it has to do with wiretapping.
“…of courese these lazy/stupid (according to that squeagysucker and his friends) Katrina and Rita victims don’t deserve to have their unemployment benefits extended…”
May 24th, 2006 at 11:43 amPretty much
Spongbob – that would be all well and good if this could be investigated. So far we have had TWO federal agencies refuse to investigate because “they do not have the security clearance” and Bush is refusing to inform ANYONE including the FISA court of the extent of the wiretapping.
So please…do not even come near here with that arguement.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:46 amSpongebob – I will pray for you that you never have to suffer the embarrassment and indignity of needing to request assistance from a governmental agency. But then again…it might teach you empathy and compassion, two things absolutely required to be a decent human being.
May 24th, 2006 at 11:50 amlets see troll, the right has lead the country down the drain with unprecedented immoral and unethical manuevers that the majorityu of those here want investigated, instead a mountain of effort is placed to bring down a left congressman and we want a fair trial, why dont you go over to the right wing sites and check their civility – true many of us don’t trust the dems much more than the powerhungry elitest right wing criminals, but I for one, will not under any circumstances give Rove, Gonzales, Rice, Bush, Cheney, Addington, Hadley, Alito, Scalia, Rumsfeld, Wolfington, Snow(s), Harris, etc any benefit of doubt or a fair shake – fair went out the window with the 2000 election
May 24th, 2006 at 11:54 am“So please…do not even come near here with that arguement.”
It’s alright, just accept your hypocracy and move on, it what I do.
“Katrina and Rita victims don’t deserve to have their unemployment benefits extended”
May 24th, 2006 at 11:54 amIt’s been 9 months, it dosn’t take that long to find a job. Mc D’s is always highering, esp. when you consider the higher population in the area’s where the refugees went too would create a higher demand for services, they’re creating job openings just by moving to where ever it is they live now, at some point charity turns into being taken advantage of.
uhh Wolfington = Wolfawitz
May 24th, 2006 at 11:55 amSpongebob – you did not even address the arguement. How are we to investigate if they won’t let anyone investigate?
Stop being a died in the wool troll and repeating the talking points. What Jefferson is accused of doing can be investigated, what Bush is doing he is not allowing to be investigated!!!
May 24th, 2006 at 11:57 am“you did not even address the arguement. How are we to investigate if they won’t let anyone investigate?”
So you at least admit the hypocracy involved with Rove/DeLay then? And I would think the congress or supreme court could force an investigation, if they felt it was necessary.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:07 pmSo you at least admit the hypocracy involved with Rove/DeLay then? And I would think the congress or supreme court could force an investigation, if they felt it was necessary.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 24, 2006 @ 12:07 pm
Where “necessary” is sooper sekrit code for “Oral Sex in the Oval Office”
May 24th, 2006 at 12:09 pm#57. How does the Supreme Court initiate an investigation?
May 24th, 2006 at 12:11 pm#59 They could rule that the documents have to be unclassified.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:13 pmSo you at least admit the hypocracy involved with Rove/DeLay then?
Do you act like an idiot on purpose? I think you do. NO THERE IS NO HYPOCRISY? The two situations are not even related.
And I would think the congress or supreme court could force an investigation, if they felt it was necessary.
Yeah…we’ll see the REPUBLICAN congress jumping in there real soon to get us some good old american justice. Do me a favor would you? Would you please hold your breath until that happens?
As fo the courts…the courts cannot force an investigation.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:14 pmThat’s not an investigation.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:15 pm#56
Yeah! And squeege, like I’ve been asking, if the President has nothing to hide and his warrantless wiretapping is perfectly legal, why should he be afraid of a little oversight? And no, informing select members of Congress, who are then sworn to silence and secrecy about the program, is not proper oversight. And Congress’ effort to change or create a law that will then allow it to be legal is not proper oversight either.
And while you are at it, riddle me this:
If Bush can talk in public on numerous occasions about wiretapping and our efforts to track terrorists, and with the knowledge that details about wiretapping and tracking terrorists (including the types of communications that are monitored) are published in October 2001 on cnn.com for the world to see, why all of a sudden is Bush and the Republicans screaming NATIONAL SECURITY and OUR SECRETS ARE KNOWN TO THE WORLD and YOU ARE AIDING THE TERRORISTS when warrantless wiretapping by the NSA is the subject of a Newsweek article in late 2005?
Let me explain it to you in easy-to-understand English:
Wiretapping terrorists with a warrant: specialized technologies used by the NSA to monitor and track terrorists; FISA involved; program known to all the world.
Wiretapping terrorsts without a warrant: likely that the same specialized technologies are used by the NSA; FISA ignored; program known only to Bush and his administration, NSA, a few select members of Congress.
Looking forward to your answers.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:16 pm#59 They could rule that the documents have to be unclassified.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 24, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
They cannot rule anything without a case being before them.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:17 pmBill Frist scares the bejesus out of me. Senator Cat Killer is one step away from kidnapping and chopping up prostitutes, then storing their parts in a freezer in his garage. Now, as an animal lover, the animals he has senselessly killed for his hard-on thrill of the power over life and death is enough to make me want to see him in prison forever. Too bad Americans don’t take animal abuse seriously.
Did anybody else find what his wife said when she first met him as disturbing as I did? “I fell in love with him in his scrub suit, with blood splattered on his clogs…” So blood spatter turns her on too.
Also, this is an unusual date, but it seems to be a pattern for Mr. and Mrs. Cat Killer…
Good lord I want to stay as FAR AWAY FROM THEM AS POSSIBLE.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:19 pmParrotlover – this country does not even take child or domestic abuse seriously and you want them to protect animals? Good luck with all of that!!
May 24th, 2006 at 12:22 pm“Do you act like an idiot on purpose? I think you do. NO THERE IS NO HYPOCRISY? The two situations are not even related.”
Democrat Does something wrong, oooohhh let him go to trial first before I consider him guilty or not.
Republican does something wrong, oooohhh he’s guilty.
And you can’t see the hypocrisy in that? Are you playing blind on purpose?
“That’s not an investigation.”
When one of the arguments on why it can’t be investigated is because it is all classified, the first step would be to unclassify it so it can be investigated. It wouldn’t be the investigation, but it would be the first step towards one.
“if the President has nothing to hide and his warrantless wiretapping is perfectly legal, why should he be afraid of a little oversight?”
Why waste tax payer money on an investigation if theirs nothing to hide, sounds like a waste of resources.
“Wiretapping terrorsts without a warrant: likely that the same specialized technologies are used by the NSA; FISA ignored; program known only to Bush and his administration, NSA, a few select members of Congress.”
May 24th, 2006 at 12:25 pmIs there something wrong with getting terrorists however we can?
Bush had heart surgery?
May 24th, 2006 at 12:32 pm#66 – Well said. As my handle suggests, I am a bird lover and have my own large flock of parrots (the avian kind, not the dittohead kind). I love all animals and it breaks my heart to see somebody like Frist in power and with “fans” who will emulate his disgusting immoral past. Despite what the article implies, he is not a friend of the apes. He is only a friend of his own oversized ego.
As for abused children, all I can say is this…
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May 24th, 2006 at 12:33 pmDon’t worry, our fearless “Christian” leaders will do Jesus’ work and spend their massive fortunes to protect and help the meek and poor, right? It’s a tenant of their faith, afterall!
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#67. Is that what you want? Do you really want SCOTUS trampling all over separation of powers and declassifying documents that POTUS says are necessary for national defense?
May 24th, 2006 at 12:34 pmPretty much
Comment by squegeeboo #50
It’s been 9 months, it dosn’t take that long to find a job. Mc D’s is always highering, esp. when you consider the higher population in the area’s where the refugees went too would create a higher demand for services, they’re creating job openings just by moving to where ever it is they live now, at some point charity turns into being taken advantage of.
Comment by squegeeboo #54
queasybooger,
I’ve only recently read enough of the banter between you and some others on different threads to ascertain that you’re just a cub…
…a young, dumb, al Cracker Bushite recently weaned from your mommy’s tit…
…if you learn NOTHING else before you go out into the REAL world (from your sheltered inbred right wing infested cocoon) and begin to SEE and experience life for yourself…
…learn that- “There’s a helluva whole lot you don’t know”…
…and Karma is everything…
…I empathize with you for the wasted years of home schooling your parents obviously opted for…
…it has clearly done you a disservice in terms of acquiring critical thinking skills, as well as retarded other academic development for you…
May 24th, 2006 at 12:34 pmRepublican does something wrong, oooohhh he’s guilty.
And you can’t see the hypocrisy in that? Are you playing blind on purpose?
I see something wrong when it is not allowed to be investigated.
When one of the arguments on why it can’t be investigated is because it is all classified, the first step would be to unclassify it so it can be investigated. It wouldn’t be the investigation, but it would be the first step towards one.
Because Bush would have to declassify it and he will not do that.
Why waste tax payer money on an investigation if theirs nothing to hide, sounds like a waste of resources.
How do we know there is nothing to hide if we are not given the chance for an investigastion.
Is there something wrong with getting terrorists however we can?
When it is doing something that tramples on our constitution… there is something wrong. If we do not know the extent of the wiretapping then how do we know what the limitations are? Has there been abuse? We already know this administration has had the FBI spy on anti-war groups. Has Bush also had them wiretapped? Has he had his political enemies wiretapped? If there is not one unbiased federal agency allowed to investigate then we cannot know the answers. It is human nature when an individual looks as if they are trying to hide something to believe there actually is something to hide.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:35 pmWhy waste tax payer money on an investigation if theirs nothing to hide, sounds like a waste of resources.
Not a waste because the program borders on unconstitutional as well as violating FISA …which is LAW, thus an investigation would settle if the law was violated or not….
Quit being so intellectually dishonest
Is there something wrong with getting terrorists however we can?
Comment by squegeeboo — May 24, 2006 @ 12:25 pm
YES we until this group of clowns showed up used to follow the laws of this country, and the basic difference between us and the Nazi’s ..or us and the co9mmunists in the USSR and red china was they did that and we didn’t…now we no longer have the moral ground…just hopefully enough power..which the soviets did not, that is why Afghanistan is turning as bad as Iraq has…thus we soon may have TWO countries that turn out terrorists and this time they will be REAL pissed…thus we may have to completely scrap thew constitution just to be safe…
Those who would trade liberty for security …deserve neither…B. Franklin
May 24th, 2006 at 12:42 pmbig papa
May 24th, 2006 at 12:43 pmMy father is pretty apolitical, and except for gun control my mom’s a damn dirty hippy, but I love her anyways. Thanks for your concern though. And I wasn’t home schooled, just public schooled, which is prob. even worse.
Democrat Does something wrong, oooohhh let him go to trial first before I consider him guilty or not.
Republican does something wrong, oooohhh he’s guilty.
And you can’t see the hypocrisy in that? Are you playing blind on purpose?
Comment by squegeeboo #67
queasybooger,
Here’s a question relating to hypocrisy that you might be able to reconcile:
…Why weren’t Tom DeLay’s, Duke Cunningham’s, Michael Safavian’s, or Bob Ney’s offices raided so spectacularly (and publicly) by the DoJ?
May 24th, 2006 at 12:43 pm#67
Why waste tax payer money on an investigation if theirs nothing to hide, sounds like a waste of resources.
That’s an answer to a question I didn’t ask. Wasting taxpayer money has not been one of Bush’s reasons for blocking any and all inquiries into his secret program. Now, read the question again.
Is there something wrong with getting terrorists however we can?
I’ll play your game and answer a question with another question: is there something wrong with the President of the United States following the rule of law?
Answer the rest of my post…you seem to have ignored part of it.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:44 pm“Wiretapping terrorsts without a warrant: likely that the same specialized technologies are used by the NSA; FISA ignored; program known only to Bush and his administration, NSA, a few select members of Congress.â€
Is there something wrong with getting terrorists however we can?
Comment by squegeeboo
Yes.
If it requires turning USA into USSR then there is something wrong with it.
If it requires killing every man woman and child arabs like we are some evil nazis then yes.
One could create a long long list of ways that are WRONG to combat against just about anything.
Honor and Justice is not about doing whatever you want to anyone you want. It is about sacrificing for the greater good.
I would be willing to sacrifice my phone records for the greater good if 1) It is done via law that restricts it to a very short time period (temporary) and 2) If it is being watched very carefully by all parties in the USA… if it is only a republican effort instead of an American effort then it is not being done in a way that ensures that Americas power remains in the hands of THE PEOPLE. No one republican or democrat is to be trusted .. the founding fathers proved it to themselves because of the people they thought they could trust in England. They passed the knowledge on to us. And dont bother using the excuse of if all the congress knows about it it will be leaked… everyone in the world since I have been alive anyway knows that the USA has been using its technology to spy on anything they want in the entire world from USSR nuclear sites to Chinese communications. It is OLD news. What is NEW news is that Americans are now considered slaves to the government. The government thinks it doesnt need our consent. That sounds like USSR not USA. Terrorism would have to be MORE dangerous than the USSR to warrant anything more drastic than what we did in response to USSR…. terrorism just isnt there and never will be. And even dumb ass Bush can tell that. For a terrorist to pull off a 911 all of Americas intelligence agencies would have to fail to be listened to… which is exactly what happened on 911… many people knew about Al Qeada in America and were frantically trying to get their higher ups to listen. If they had listened like professionals should then 911 would not have even come close to happening. No spying on America was needed. And it isnt needed now. The terrorists know about phone tapping just like everyone else. All that is needed is for the people in the CIA/FBI/etc to do the job they were doing BEFORE 911 and for the “bosses” to stop munching donutes and chating around the coffee pot and do their damned jobs and follow up on the work being done by our spys. Why were the people that were responsible for making sure that reports from FBI agents were followed up on not fired after 911? Oh that is right… because it went straight up to Bush himself and he sure as hell isnt going to take responsiblity for being the president that was warned in BLACK AND WHITE that 911 was about to happen and went on vacation instead. And so he blames no one so none of them point fingers up at him. The very fact that we had FBI agents sending in written reports about arab extremeists going to flight schools and not wanting to learn how to land shows that we had all the spying we needed BEFORE 911… all this new stuff they are doing is about something else… not terrorism… we already had the machine in place to stop terrorism … this is about a power grab … unitary executive…. growing population of the earth … wars for limited resources… destruction of the American Way instead of building a mechanism for peace between the peoples of the world…
May 24th, 2006 at 12:48 pmAnd I wasn’t home schooled, just public schooled, which is prob. even worse.
Comment by squegeeboo #74
Dang kid,
So you basically “stupified” yourself, huh?
…’er what school district was that you were you raised in?…
…some tax paying folks might be in need of a refund…
…Are you from the same trailer park as IRI?
May 24th, 2006 at 12:49 pmWC
“why all of a sudden is Bush and the Republicans screaming NATIONAL SECURITY and OUR SECRETS ARE KNOWN TO THE WORLD and YOU ARE AIDING THE TERRORISTS when warrantless wiretapping by the NSA is the subject of a Newsweek article in late 2005?”
I would assume for cheap political points.
“is there something wrong with the President of the United States following the rule of law?”
If it were being done to help the nation, I would say no. There are tons of examples of president’s violating/stretching laws or the constitution to get things done that need doing such as the New Deal under FDR and some of Lincoln’s actions during the civil war.
bill
“Do you really want SCOTUS trampling all over separation of powers and declassifying documents that POTUS says are necessary for national defense?”
Sounds like your full of criticism, but I haven’t heard any ideas from you, what would you suggest? That Bush just has to start playing nice?
Jules
May 24th, 2006 at 12:57 pm“Because Bush would have to declassify it and he will not do that.”
So like I said, get the Supreme Court involved.
#77
Gerald…good post. And good to see you here on TP. Haven’t seen you posting for quite awhile.
May 24th, 2006 at 12:58 pmRead the Iranian letter. It is blackmail against the US presdident because it says he (the Iranian President) is making an “educated guess” when he accuses the US pres of playing a significant part in 9/11. If the US moves against their nuclear ambition Iran will expose the US president’s role in 9/11.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:04 pmJules
“Because Bush would have to declassify it and he will not do that.â€
So like I said, get the Supreme Court involved.
Comment by squegeeboo — May 24, 2006 @ 12:57 pm
They cannot get involved UNTIL a case is brought.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:08 pm#77
Gerald…good post. And good to see you here on TP. Haven’t seen you posting for quite awhile.
Comment by WC
Hey thanks for the complement…. and yes I have been gone for the most part a while…
One of you a while back suggested I look into government grants to do things like “help people” .. and “use technology to educate people about science” .. and “rid America of its dependance on oil” … well I looked into that and indeed there is money out there for people that are willing to put in the research time and effort to work at it… so I have been busy .. very busy.
Did you know that since the 1980s Americas Congress has been funding a program to help small businesses do research into all kinds of things to advance everything from basic science to military equipment? I sure didnt. They put out about 2 billion every year to small businesses. This isnt for Halliburton or Exxon mobile.
If you REALLY want to do something to try to change things and you are willing to put alot of your own personal free time into it … and are willing to start a small business or already have one then look up SBIR and/or STTR on google. I went to a seminar in Kentucky last week that was held by the federal government by everybody from the NIH to DOD to DARPA to DOT. It cost $350 to attend so not many people were there. But this is sort of like what FDR did but on a smaller scale. The National Science Foundation is actually offering research grants to small businesses that try to figure out how to solve the problem of educating Americas children in science and math and technology using computers… and many more things as well. If you got an idea of how to protect the troops from IEDs the DOD is offering money for that.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:09 pm#79. I am full of criticism. Here’s more. You don’t understand the Constitution and you prove it with your posts.
I do have a suggestion, though. Bush should stop stonewalling Congress and submit to an investigation. There are members and judges who are cleared to view classified documents.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:14 pmGerald it is amazing to me how many kids are computer illiterate. I thought they all knew how to use them because they have had them available throughout their lives. It is not just underprivileged who do not know how to use them either.
My daughter recently worked on a physics project with 3 other students in her class. She was the only one who knew how to create a powerpoint. They were amazed that you could import sound, etc. They did not even know how to do internet research. One of them did not even know how to turn the computer on. My husband is a programmer so my daughter and I each have a laptop and he has a desktop and they are all networked. You would have thought they had seen the creation of the computer. I repeat, these are not underpriviledged kids by any stretch of the imagination.
We need to be doing a better job with our students!!!!
May 24th, 2006 at 1:21 pm#79
I would assume for cheap political points.
Cheap political points? Wow. Must’ve taken you all of 15 seconds to come up with that response. Is it also because of cheap political points that the government is monitoring reporters’ phone calls to try and find their sources? Is it also because of cheap political points that the imprisoning of reporters is being considered based in part on revelations such as Newsweek’s warrantless wiretapping reporting?
You seriously don’t have a problem with throwing a reporter in jail for revealing a wiretapping program that is otherwise public knowledge, the only difference being that a warrant was not requested in some cases?
You seriously don’t have a problem with your government secretly monitoring and investigating war critics that have no ties to terrorism and pose a threat to no one?
If it were being done to help the nation, I would say no.
Fighting terrorism is being done, I would imagine, to help the nation. Yet Bush is refusing to utilize the FISA court because, as he and his group put it, the process takes too long. Yet he has no problem, as he has also stated, going to the FISA court for purely domestic calls. And this in no way seems odd to you?
May 24th, 2006 at 1:21 pm“Damn dirty hippy” is how you talk about your mother to strangers? Such love as yours any mother could do without.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:25 pmGerald – That was me. We were talking about the use of untapped natural power sources – including the kinetic energy of ocean waves. Glad to hear it has been fruitful for you. Keep us posted.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:38 pm12 Senators Betrayed America!
Wednesday 24th of May 2006
by Jay Randal
Yesterday fifteen members of the Senate Intelligence Committee met, behind closed doors, to vote YES or NO for General Hayden to be confirmed as Director of the CIA > 12 voted YES and 3 voted NO bravely!
All of the 8 Republicans voted for him like sheep, but so did 4 Democrats as well, so those 12 have betrayed the United States of America, and are helping Dubya to turn the CIA into another NSA snooping operation!
General Hayden has NOT “shown some independence and some backbone” as Sen. Levin stupidly claims in defending his YES vote, but in actuality is completely under the spell of the Neocon cabal in the Pentagon!
The NSA has been transformed/mutated into spying on American citizens, like a “Big Brother” apparatus gone haywire, and using warrantless wiretapping to eavesdrop in a sinister fashion to data-mine all calls!
Senators Levin, Feinstein, Rockefeller, and Mikulski have dishonored the Democrat Party so must resign in shame, and Feingold, Bayh, and Wyden deserve praise!
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Stone Mountain, Georgia.)
May 24th, 2006 at 1:42 pm#88
I read about generating power from ocean waves back in college in a Humanities class. Interesting stuff.
May 24th, 2006 at 1:50 pm“Is it also because of cheap political points that the government is monitoring reporters’ phone calls to try and find their sources?”
No, that would be to try and figure out the sources to all the leaks that have occured recently
“Yet Bush is refusing to utilize the FISA court because, as he and his group put it, the process takes too long. Yet he has no problem, as he has also stated, going to the FISA court for purely domestic calls. And this in no way seems odd to you?”
Nope, it’s done for political reasons, it’s easier to explain away lack of court oversight when it included foreginers, but when it’s just people within the US, it sounds much worse.
“You seriously don’t have a problem with your government secretly monitoring and investigating war critics that have no ties to terrorism and pose a threat to no one?”
Nope.
“You seriously don’t have a problem with throwing a reporter in jail for revealing a wiretapping program that is otherwise public knowledge, the only difference being that a warrant was not requested in some cases?”
May 24th, 2006 at 1:51 pmNope. If their reporting classified info, they should serve the same time any normal joe would for sharing the same information.
Hey, Squeeg…is this another example of your “cheap political points” in action?
This week, six private citizens — including author Studs Terkel — joined the ACLU in a lawsuit against AT&T, claiming the company gave the NSA “sensitive information about massive numbers of domestic phone calls.â€
But AT&T and the government may force the courts to shut down the case. With increasing frequency, the Bush administration is employing the state secrets privilege, “a once-rare tactic that essentially gives the government a blank check to kill civil suits.†(Verizon picked up the administration’s lead and invoked the privilege to shield itself from public scrutiny over the NSA surveillance program.)
May 24th, 2006 at 1:52 pmI read about generating power from ocean waves back in college in a Humanities class. Interesting stuff.
Comment by WC — May 24, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
Yeah, along with wind and solar power – kinetic energy is sustainable and green – and when it stops – well – we’ll have bigger things to worry about :).
I’m sure it could be turned into a profitable business. But my concern is the environment. It’s not like Big Business to protect the plant while harnessing it’s natural resources…
May 24th, 2006 at 1:54 pmNo, that would be to try and figure out the sources to all the leaks that have occured recently.
Based on info from Brian Ross of ABC, the government is not just checking into previous calls, but they are monitoring current, and I assume, all future calls. And who is to say they are being monitored just for “leaks” involving “national security?” The government? HAHAHA.
I’m glad to know that you trust anything and everything your government does, you have no problem with what appears to be a power grab by your President who thinks he should not be held accountable by anyone (something that the founding fathers, I believe, addressed in the Constitution) and that you have no regard for your fellow American when they are the target of investigation by the FBI for simply having an opinion and voicing opposition to the war or the President.
Nope, it’s done for political reasons, it’s easier to explain away lack of court oversight when it included foreginers, but when it’s just people within the US, it sounds much worse.
You shouldn’t have to “explain away” lack of court oversight simply because foreigners are involved when you are, as the President put it, covered by the law.
“You seriously don’t have a problem with throwing a reporter in jail for revealing a wiretapping program that is otherwise public knowledge, the only difference being that a warrant was not requested in some cases?â€
Nope. If their reporting classified info, they should serve the same time any normal joe would for sharing the same information.
Seriously? Read the next to last paragraph again, and then read your response. You want to throw a reporter in jail for reporting something that is public knowledge; the only “classified” part is that a warrant was not requested by this program authorized by Bush. And it wasn’t requested because Bush said the law told him it was not needed. And how does this hurt national security?
May 24th, 2006 at 2:57 pm“And how does this hurt national security?”
Not sure, I’m not a national security expert, how does it not?
“Based on info from Brian Ross of ABC, the government is not just checking into previous calls, but they are monitoring current, and I assume, all future calls.”
Well sure, this way they can catch any new leaks also. Why would you only do retroactive, instead of that and proactive work?
“as the President put it, covered by the law.”
May 24th, 2006 at 3:38 pmlegal, and public opinion are two very different things, but both can scew you, something this admin. has learned the hard way.
Wow.
I should come to these lunatic fringe message boards more often.
These postings are tremendous entertainment !!
Do you pay people to write this material?
May 24th, 2006 at 4:26 pmSurely there can not be literate human beings beyond a 6th grade education who actually view much of this material as anything more than comical. can there?
# 96 Moderate Bob:
Then get the hell back to Drudge;AssClown.
May 24th, 2006 at 5:17 pm#95
It must be nice living in la la land. You have your convictions, and that is fine. You see nothing whatsoever wrong with this administration hiding behind “national security” for everything from Cheney’s refusal to speak to the police until the day after his shooting of Harry Whittington, to questionable wiretapping.
You see no problem with George Bush yakking about wiretapping in numerous public appearances, but God forbid that some traitorous reporter do the same thing. No court has yet ruled on the lawfulness of warrantless wiretapping, and by God if George Bush and company have anything to do with it, no court ever will. Members of Congress from both sides of the aisle, several of them lawyers, have questioned the
legality of warrantless wiretapping, and some have denied, as Bush has otherwise claimed, that their vote for the authorization of force included warrantless wiretapping.
In authorizing the NSA to wiretap without a warrant, Bush uses this rationale:
We know that a two-minute phone conversation between somebody linked to al Qaeda here and an operative overseas could lead directly to the loss of thousands of lives. To save American lives, we must be able to act fast and to detect these conversations so we can prevent new attacks.
What if this two-minute conversation takes place between Los Angeles and New York? This is a domestic-to-domestic call for which Bush says he will get a warrant from FISA. Isn’t speed and efficiency a paramount concern in this situation as well? Listening to Bush, he says he can’t worry with the FISA court. But that’s only if one end of the call is in a foreign country. Logically explain this. The end result is the same no matter where the call originates and where the call ends: an attack will occur.
See, Bush’s ace in the hole, as with many other Republicans, was that he expected a large number of people in this country to play ignorant and just accept what he says and never question it. And for the longest time the people didn’t disappoint him.
Considering what Richard Nixon did and considering that years ago (way before you were born) the government of the United States conspired to attack its own people to drum up support for attacking Cuba, but did not carry it out…see Operation Northwoods…I would hope a young fella like yourself would utilize a bit more thought process and be a bit more concerned about your country and your fellow Americans.
May 24th, 2006 at 5:49 pmnsa data mining is used to snare those remaining few individuals who have 9/11 information pertaining to who else was involved… Codewords and phrases, name combinations, etc. are detected and those individuals who use them in e-mail or over the phone are labelled terrorists and held indef. without representation. It was in place prior to 9/11.
lawyer who was charged and released unwittingly used certain word and name combinations that falsely implicated he knew things. Gov’t realized it was strange coincident, that he knew nothing – and released him.
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May 24th, 2006 at 11:06 pmBill Frist scares the bejesus out of me. Senator Cat Killer is one step away from kidnapping and chopping up prostitutes, then storing their parts in a freezer in his garage. Now, as an animal lover, the animals he has senselessly killed for his hard-on thrill of the power over life and death is enough to make me want to see him in prison forever. Too bad Americans don’t take animal abuse seriously
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Even those who are not animal lovers should take animal abuse more seriously, as many serial killers are known to have started by “practicing” on small animals like rabbits, pigeons, and cats. Make your own deductions about where that puts Bile First (spelling deliberate).
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