Leading Climate Skeptic Compares Gore to Hitler
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By on May 28th, 2006 at 11:34 am
Leading Climate Skeptic Compares Gore to Hitler
Last week, Sterling Burnett – a senior fellow at the Exxon-backed National Center for Policy Analysis – compared Al Gore to Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels.
In this weekend’s Washington Post magazine, meteorologist Bill Gray – one of the most prominent climate skeptics – directly compared Al Gore to Adolf Hitler:
Gore believed in global warming almost as much as Hitler believed there was something wrong with the Jews.
It’s telling that so many of the attacks on Al Gore and his movie are ad hominem, not substantive. There really is no credible scientific rebuttal to An Inconvenient Truth, so people are forced to attack the messenger.
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Sounds like big corporations don’t like capitalism. Can’t stand the fact that the people of the world might want a better way of getting around.
May 28th, 2006 at 11:44 amThese morons really like taking the Nazis out for a spin, don’t they? I guess they think the horrors of Auschwitz and Bergen-Belsen are on par with making a documentary.
May 28th, 2006 at 11:51 amIt shames me to say this, but it is true that I love my 2-year old son as much as Hitler loved killing Jews.
May 28th, 2006 at 11:54 amIs there any hope for such a beast as me?
A meteorologist is NOT a climatologist. The Bill Gray is joke and he knows it that’s why he uses such desperate tactics. He and his cohorts know they lost the debate.
May 28th, 2006 at 11:56 amBill Gray doesn’t like computers. He likes to think with his gut just like our President.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:02 pmAnd the Post let this in - no comment, no verification, no qualification?
May 28th, 2006 at 12:04 pmThese people have to be shut down. They are a disgrace to rational decent people. Gore has nothing in his backround to even hint at the mindset of Goebbels. They are once again turning the tables because people have begun to compare Bush and his thugs to Hitler and his band. This talk is proof that our society is suffering from a blight on reason and a wave of hysteria. The hysteria is on the right, not the left. There is legitimate anger and depression on the left. The Right is dysfunctional emotionally, spiritually, and intellectually. They need an intervention. If we on the left allow these kinds of attacks to stand without vigorously challenging them our society could produce evil and harmful events in the next 3 years beyond our present imagination. Goebbels and Gore? Who does this monkey Burnett think he is…………Here’s a fact for you….This is one greedy ( profit is his God ) , selfish, screwed up man. Sterling Bernett - Let’s not allow him to shit on our country and perhaps our future president, Al Gore
May 28th, 2006 at 12:07 pmHey they want to play the association to Nazis game? I like that game … the left wins it before we even start… lets list the ways BushCo is like and/or related to Hitler…shall we?
May 28th, 2006 at 12:08 pmNo, you’re like Hitler.
No, you’re like the Nazis.
No, you killed 30 million people.
No, you’re the worst human to ever walk this planet.
End debate.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:10 pmGray has a long record in science and should not be immediately dismissed. But I agree with gringo-he is a meteorologist and misstates the predictability of climate (long term, large scale average) vs weather (short term, small scale, specific). While weather is predictable only out to a few days or a week, there are bounds to the variation which make averages predictable o a large scale of space and time. Gray should know better than this.
If you read into the article you also see that his funding sources have dried up and he is funding this all out of hiw own pocket.
Anyone from the science community who uses the Hitler comparison should be looked at with a jaundiced eye in my opinion.
For what it is worth, the article is interesting and largely about hoisting the skeptics on their own pitard. Still, I fail to see why a whole article in the WaPo magazine should be devoted to these jokers.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:10 pm#6- the article does tackle Gray on the incendiary nature of his comments. it doesn’t push too hard but it does push.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:11 pmoh and provide links because well … we got facts (dates, names, etc.) in large abundance … and it doesnt hurt showing the reichwingers how you prove you case.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:12 pmRepublicans FEAR Al Gore… We should notice this - as a good thing.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:20 pmMaybe they should be called Marty Antoinettes since they want everyone to eat soggy cakes
May 28th, 2006 at 12:23 pmNewspapers choose which letters to the Editor to print based on how many they get on a particular theme. If they get 1000 in an outraged vein on this story, they will at least print a few. Even the propaganda arm of the White House, the WaPo.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:26 pmSO, shoot a letter off to them!
Good Morning all, good point Unbelievable. Any time they, the reich wing, throw the mud big time it is proof that person is a threat to this regime…..Blessings
May 28th, 2006 at 12:27 pmIf you repeat something enough times, people believe it as the truth.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
Bush has a secret room full of Nazi paraphernalia.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:33 pmSpeaking of which, check out Frank Rich’s endorsementr of Al Gore, in case you all missed my link at two this morning.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:34 pmHi Sharon,
Even if they won’t admit it out loud - they do know that Gore won in 2000. They fear he could win in 2008, because really, they have nobody who could beat him. McCain probably lost his chances when he started sucking up to Jerry Falwell. Even the majority of mainstream Christians think that man is a quack.
And the best part is that Gore could be an Independent who could clean house - because the liberal Democrats (we have to distinguish now it seems) and liberal Independents would be on his side. We just have to convince the sheep that an Independent with Democrat ties is in their best interest - and not the party hell bent on banning flag-burning and gay marriage inspite of the conflicts with the existing First Amendment (which I wholly anticipate them to revoke).
May 28th, 2006 at 12:35 pmI know, I know “freedom of speech”, “first amendment”, yada, yada
But am I the only one to believe there’s something fundamentally screwed up with slander and libel jurisprudence in this country? Sterling Burnett’s drivel should be actionable, no?
In a free country, you are certainly entitled to your own opinions, but no, you are not entitled to your own facts.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:37 pmBloppo
Most Americans have no ****ing idea what the word “paraphernalia” means….
May 28th, 2006 at 12:39 pmComment by jurassicpork — May 28, 2006 @ 12:34 pm
This, from your link, is the heart of the matter. Gore is competent. We need to make sure that that is what we tell the sheep in rebuttal to the neocon smears:
Mr. Gore forecast the disasters lying in wait for the second (Iraq Invasion) when he spoke out at the Commonwealth Club in San Francisco on Sept. 23, 2002. He saw that the administration was jumping “from one unfinished task to another” and risked letting Afghanistan destabilize and Osama bin Laden flee. He saw that the White House was recklessly putting politics over policy by hurrying a Congressional war resolution before the midterm elections (and before securing international support). Most important, he noticed then that the administration had “not said much of anything” about “what would follow regime change.” He imagined how “chaos in the aftermath of a military victory in Iraq could easily pose a far greater danger to the United States than we presently face from Saddam.”
May 28th, 2006 at 12:44 pmGood post again Inbelievable, I agree…..Fifi, I fell out on that post. LOL more spray on the monitor. Your right! May I add especialy the red states……Blessings
May 28th, 2006 at 12:46 pmAs articles about the skeptics go, this is not so bad. It describes the climate skeptics as living in a parallel universe, and derides Gray’s position as `argument from authority’.–that is, because of his history of flying into storms vs. mere number crunchers we should buy his word over theirs. It says that ExxonMobil is largely alone among the big oil companies in pushing against this. It gives a reasonable deconstruction of the problematic discrepancy between satellite and surface data. IT points out that the skeptics differentiate themselves. For example, Pat MIchaels avows a belief in warming due to us, but believes the problem is overstated, while Gray flatly calls human induced warming a hoax.
Yet it has this sublede:
which is rather opposite to the subtext of the article.
I think that in dealing with the media we need to recognize the following issues:
1) This article is actually not bad apart from the fact that it focuses on skeptics with little direct discussion with mainstream science leaders.
2) Emphasize that the current blowback is associated with predominantly Exxon-Mobil and that other oil producers have acknowledged the reality of warming and are moving on (BP, Shell, Chevron., Sunoco).
3) We need to differentiate between two classes of scientists working as skeptics, who are in any event very few in number compared to the mainstream. Those who disagree with the conclusions of mainstream climate science and take money from fossil fuel companies, and those who disagree for quirky personal reasons. In the latter category are Gray , Roy Spencer, and John Christy. (Aside: Spencer and Christy more or less single handedly waged a battle on the satellite data which they had prime access to; when the data was reanalyzed by others the discrepancies went away. In general, you have to be concerned when one observational/experimental group is bucking the tide–from one atomic physics group in Seattle holding up Steven Weinberg’s Nobel prize to the outrageous fraud committed by Schoen from Bell Labs in the nanoscience community, when results are not reproducible or reconcilable with a massive body of work, they are usually wrong or fraudulent. )
The trick is to get the media to quit doing the equal time gig and to call them on it. In that spirit, a letter I would write to WaPo would praise the tone of the article but ask why mainstream climate scientists were not attributed more.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:48 pmYou know, I saw a rerun of some guy’s talk show on CNN yesterday (I’ve never seen him before, so I apologize for not having better information). The only argument that he could make that was not ad hominem was in reference to a group of scientists who claimed the earth was actually getting cooler… 30 YEARS AGO. I didn’t know whether I should laugh or cry. Are they seriously trying to use 30 year old data and claims from scientists who no longer hold that viewpoint (most have since adopted global warming as scientific fact) to knock down Gore’s argument? I say, Bring It On!
May 28th, 2006 at 12:48 pmDING DING DING DING DING
……………..Bloppo………………
May 28th, 2006 at 12:48 pmThe most interesting part of all of this Al Gore/Nazi rehtoric is that George W. Bush’s grandfather Prescott Bush DID finance the Nazi parties rise to power. That is fact.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:51 pmA clerk at the local grocery store in my red county of my red state told me that Bush was friends with the Arabs in a tone that insinuated that he was a part of the problem with her paying $2.87 a gallon for gas.
All the Democrats need is a spine and a course for action and life long Republicans will be lining up to vote themin office.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:52 pmThe truly ironic thing about these attacks on Al Gore, someone who’s suddenly become synonymous with global warming, is that the more they attack him, they more they bring to the fore of the public mind an issue that they don’t want examined too closely and publicized too much.
Even if Gore doesn’t run in ‘08, this is a major platform that other candidates would do well to jump on. Of course, global warming shouldn’t be merely a campaign platform. it’s a problem that needs to be fixed, like, immediately.
May 28th, 2006 at 12:54 pmThe Brits have a saying “If you can’t play the football, play the man”
May 28th, 2006 at 1:32 pmMost Americans have no ****ing idea what the word “paraphernalia†means….
Pot heads do… ;)
May 28th, 2006 at 1:40 pmIf Gore doesn’t run in ‘08, he would be great going around the country making speeches like he’s been doing the last few years, supporting the Dem candidate. If the Dem party was smart about it, they’d have him go to EVERY state, not just swing states.
May 28th, 2006 at 1:44 pmSadly–no, pathetically–the Post ran a good-natured feature on another major global warming “skeptic” just last Sunday. (They positioned him as “a global warming satirist.”) That night, he was featured on the Fox News Channel’s hour-long pushback on warming. RE the Post, click it and weep. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2006/ 05/ 20/ AR2006052001151.html
May 28th, 2006 at 1:46 pmbob somerby,
What’s even funnier is that when I click on your link, what ad is running next the piece on the global wamring satirist is for An Inconvienent Truth. : )
May 28th, 2006 at 1:51 pmSpeaking of Hitler — I saw “Enemy of the State” again last night. Hadn’t seen it in years. Although not exactly my favorite flick genre, I wa amazed at how prescient was the premise — NSA having the ability to spy on all Americans, and the use of that ability by some wicked politicos.
May 28th, 2006 at 1:54 pmUnlike Bush and Hitler, If Gore is wrong in his beliefs, people don’t die!
May 28th, 2006 at 1:57 pmBush&Co and their suck-ups have a lot of catching up to do in the science department, but rather than admit their stupidity and learn from someone, they continue to blast the messengers, who know more than they do. They remind me of my Republican f-in-law whose circular motto seems to be — “I know everything. I won’t even bother to listen to someone else, because I know everything.”
May 28th, 2006 at 2:00 pmMy gang and I enjoy barbequing, playing softball and drinking beer at our Forest Preserve on the weekends.
The subject of “treehuggers” came up yesterday and we all agreed that we shouldn’t be harassaed because we enjoy nature and love to party with nature.
We don’t literally hug trees but I tell you what, any neocon freakazoid that tries to take away our Forest Preserve will have a fight on their hands.
So, are we treehuggers, are we radical and extreme because we enjoy the forest and are willing to fight for it?
I know very few people who don’t like nature and those are only the girly girls who cant get their fingernails dirty without having a complete nervous breakdown.
May 28th, 2006 at 2:15 pmAnyone who supports the destruction of our planet is obviously derranged beyond hope. Put em in a padded cell, ther’es no other alternative.
Marie,
You hit the nail on the head. I try every now and then to discuss religion with my mom and there is no discussion. Like you said, she knows everything about it, so there is nothing to discuss, because she knows everything. There is absolutely no room for “what if” “why” or any other type of thinking process. Just believe what the church says.
May 28th, 2006 at 2:28 pmBurnett and Gray accusing Gore of being a propagandist is like whores accusing Mother Theresa of being a slut. Burnett and Gray are the ones obviously pushing the misleading propaganda in order to make a buck for themselves. Why are they even given a national platform to spew their lies?
May 28th, 2006 at 2:33 pmBack on thread -
May 28th, 2006 at 2:38 pmJudd, I know you do a good job monitoring your threads - but please tell me you have been asleep at the wheel. Your feigned indignation that Al Roar is referred to as a infamous propaganist like HITLER is almost as alarming as the vile, filthy, Nazi allusions utilized in the “progressive” postings here. If you counted how many times Bush=Hitler, the number would be dizzying. The ad hominem attack you so rightly criticize is a STAPLE here for “progressive contributors”. What’s that old saying about “glass houses…”?
I really appreciate how quickly Think Progress, and the rest of the big names in the blogosphere have reacted to this.
The ’swiftboat’ style of smear only works if the ‘ad hominem’ attacks and untruths make it into the msm echo chamber.
May 28th, 2006 at 2:46 pmStill on thread-
May 28th, 2006 at 2:47 pmGeorge W Bush’s grandpa helped to finance Hitler’s rise to power. That is a fact mighty aphrodite. There were hearings held in the Senate. You can’t argue with facts.
We need to differentiate between two classes of scientists working as skeptics, who are in any event very few in number compared to the mainstream. Those who disagree with the conclusions of mainstream climate science and take money from fossil fuel companies, and those who disagree for quirky personal reasons.
In other words, we need to distinguish between hacks and quacks.
May 28th, 2006 at 2:50 pmwow - “the vile, filthy, Nazi allusions utilized in the “progressive†postings here. If you counted how many times Bush=Hitler, the number would be dizzying. ”
so, i go back over the posts to see what exciting and vile things i may have missed, and lo, still nothing of the kind… now, 7,8 and 9 made a mention, but no comparison - and 8 even tried to get a list started! still no list… #s 27,36 and 37 again mention the “H” word but no comparison…
darn - i was so looking forward to getting “dizzy” ;(
May 28th, 2006 at 3:03 pm#43 Right on! The Bush family did finance Hitler’s rise and no matter who tries to dispute that fact We The People will always compare Bubble boy with HItler.
Give it up Hermy, Bubble boy loves to be compared to Hitler, it makes him proud.
May 28th, 2006 at 3:07 pmSponge and Stupid - Your straw man assumes ZERO responsibility for what you “toleRANT folks” say about GWB - oh….but you were busy on the Prescott Bush argument. So I suppose Joe Kennedy tacitly supported Hitler when he advocated a strong ISOLATINIST policy with FDR re: Europe??? OR, how about this - American socialists, progressives and Communists supported the muderous regime of Josef Stalin??? Your straw men are straw dogs….but who is surprised?
May 28th, 2006 at 3:42 pmmighty aphrodite
Are going to dispute the fact that GWB family supported the enemy in WWII or blame someone else? I do not understand, why does every time such an important fact is always met with Republicans blaming someone else?
May 28th, 2006 at 3:52 pm[…] The last skeptics, I told them, were sure to be the craziest: In this weekend’s Washington Post magazine, meteorologist Bill Gray – one of the most prominent climate skeptics – directly compared Al Gore to Adolf Hitler: […]
May 28th, 2006 at 4:05 pmNow that I’ve finally read the thread….
First, hello Godwin’s Law! I had wondered when the comparison of X to Nazis would recur on this board. Sadly, I lost the bet.
Second, defenestrati makes the most potent point here, I think. The construct: “They believe Y as much as the Nazis hated Jews, etc.” is such a logical cross-circuit that, whatever one thinks of climate change (or whatever you insert for Y), the old robot saying of “Does not compute!” applies. What kind of friggin’ argument is that, fellow e-folk?
Finally, whatever you think of climate change — umm, can’t you see the data that are in front of you? I can’t make you face reality. Al Gore, being a mite more famous, has a better chance. And if all else fails, well, Mother Nature will eventually make her point. But I kinda think it would be wise not to fool with Mother Nature. (I learned that from margarine commercials. Didn’t you?)
May 28th, 2006 at 4:14 pmI think it’s funny that republicans think people still trust the media.
I think it’s scary that some people still trust the media. (Apparently about 30%)
May 28th, 2006 at 4:35 pmis this mofo reaching or what? and I guess he didn’t get the memo: no more Hitler comparisons in public discourse are allowed from either side… NO EXCEPTIONS!
and by the way, if you’re going to hate something, global warming is a good thing to pick!
May 28th, 2006 at 4:38 pmIt’s obvious Mr. Burnett has been standing in the sun too long. I’m sure if he looks in the mirror and inspects his head, he’ll find a hole, probably just like the one in the ozone layer. He’s gone from half-baked to fried with his moronic statement. The Jews ignored Hitler and paid a terrible, unthinkable price. Hitler wanted them all dead and he had the power to make it happen. Who among us today has that kind of power? Remember, today you don’t need an army or a country to wield that kind of power. You just need a product. Like a pesticide, or cigarettes, or even oil. So many of us like to think we’re the captains of our own fate when it’s actually the captains of certain industries who have knowingly or unknowingly decided our fates, and the fates of our children and their children and their children. Every action or inaction has a price to pay. The question is, Who’s going to pay it?
May 28th, 2006 at 4:46 pmQ.Do you scare people or give them hope?
Al Gore: Nobody is interested in solutions if they don’t think there’s a problem. Given that starting point, I believe it is appropriate to have an over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is.
Translation: “Juicing up the facts is acceptable to a climate scientist like myself.”
Gore is a socialist. Hitler was a socialists. Hitler irrationally put fear into his citizens. Gore irrationally puts fear into his audience. I’m convinced. Next topic?
May 28th, 2006 at 4:48 pm[…] Directly from Think Progress: Leading Climate Skeptic Compares Gore to Hitler […]
May 28th, 2006 at 4:55 pmThere IS something wrong with the Jews (or was)…
THEY WERE IN HITLER’s GERMANY.
Just like there IS something wrong with the environment…it has ignoramuses like Bush and Sterling Burnett ignoring scientific evidence.
May 28th, 2006 at 4:59 pmSay what you want about Gore or any other person who wants the state of our Planet to be front page news. But…….
I know for a fact, yes a fact, that Excellon Corp has spilled radioactive material in Illinois several times this year alone. If you don’t think that hurts me then I must say you are retarded.
Excellon, go figure, is an energy company who never denies the accidents but is quick to respond with “don’t worry, the radioactive material is not dangerous to humans” .
What a crock.
How long should we allow this to go on?
May 28th, 2006 at 5:05 pmWhat do you think memphis minnie? Do you enjoy having radioactive material spilling in your water supply? I guess it does give you an excuse for having very few brain cells.
THESE PEOPLE ARE SO IGNORANT AND SO CLOSE MINDED. THEY REMIND ME OF THE IGNORANT PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED THAT THE EARTH WAS FLAT. THESE GUYS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THOUGH, THEY HAVE ENERGY COMPANIES BACKING THEIR IGNORANT THEORIES, AND WHOSE DOLLARS PAY THEM FOR BEING VICIOUS AND IGNORANT. USING HITLER AS COMPARISION TO SOMEONE OF AL GORES STATURE AND PASSION, MAKES THEM LOWER THAN SEWER RATS.
May 28th, 2006 at 5:18 pmMail the executive editor and let him know what you think of Mr. Gray.
Let him know in uncertain terms how you feel about his trivialization of the holocaust.
These people are fascist. THEY THEMSELVES ARE NAZIS.
executive.editor@washingtonpost.com
May 28th, 2006 at 5:18 pmHmm… the irony is amazing.
Hitler — used religious symbolism to encourage militarism and obedience among the masses
May 28th, 2006 at 5:38 pmHitler — helped create a military alliance consisting of just a few countries, against all those who weren’t with him
Hitler — created ideologies advocating elitist superiority over lesser societies, peoples, and nations. Selfishness, irresponsibility, and disregard for the rest of the World.
Hitler — had blatant disregard, hatred for the weak, the different, and the less fortunate.
Hitler — was a failure in everything, except war and oratory
Hitler — gained power through scapegoating, trickery, ultra-nationalism, and inciting hatred & fear of other societies
Hitler — clamped down on civil liberties
Hitler — once in office, created a secret police and a militaristic, uber-obedient mindset
Hitler — initiated wars of aggression, and declared war on the rest of the world.
It’s clearly an attempt to shut down all discussion of the entire topic by invoking Godwin’s Law.
These people are fiendishly clever. They only seem hysterical and desperate.
May 28th, 2006 at 5:43 pmWhile Hitler was good at giving speeches, I would not say that is one of George Bush’s best qaulities.
May 28th, 2006 at 5:49 pmOil company execs… what little minds… nothing but a bunch of suits. They don’t care about anything but themselves. They never have enough and they are never happy. May they rot in the hell that they have created for themselves with their greed.
Instead, we can take control of our lives. There are alternative sources for energy. We can do smart community development by building neighborhoods that are within walking distance to stores and schools and services (doctors, dentists, hairdresser etc…). We can give the oil companies the finger and let them blah blah blah all they want about Al Gore and his movie. Just ignore their comments and vote with our wallets.
Yeungling Brewery is attempting a union bust so I will be boycotting their beer. I will tell all my beer drinking friends to boycott Yeungling.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:04 pmThese morons get very upset when the progessives use “Hilter” and “Nazi” in their comments when referring to the behavior of this current administration and current Congress. Although it’s okay for them to use the terms “Hilter” and “Nazi”. What ass wipes and ass whips.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:09 pmGray is a member of Coalition of the Delusional.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:11 pm#63-Not all the oil companies reject warming or that it is a problem. BP, Shell, Sunoco, and I am pretty sure Chevron publicly, at least, say the opposite. ExxonMobil is really the lone holdout.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:13 pmSince Gore isn’t the only one that believes in global warming, then perhaps there are others that believe that there is something wrong with the jews, in otherwords, these neocons are lock step with Hitler when it comes to the jews, only they haven’t publically admitted it yet. First the gays, then the jews, then the Poles and then everyone else that gets in their way. The sad part is that if they continue getting their way, there will be no earth left for them to rule. It will all be gone, first the water will rise with the melting of the ice and then the ice age returns (if they don’t blow up the planet first).
May 28th, 2006 at 6:14 pmWell, i think this climate skeptic guy has a point…see for example, tetra-ethyl lead used as an anti-knocking agent in gasoline. Its inventor in GM, Thomas Midgley even drank it to prove it was all safe. Doctors thought that as lead was not detected in urine or feces samples it was naturally assimilated by the human body. That went pretty well (for car engines, mostly). Midgley, that great present of human kind to Earth´s environment, did not stop there. He went and made CFC´s. What a great guy. We, treehuggers, are such a bunch of lunatics. Nothing is getting warmer. Yeah, right.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:17 pmThey want to play the association to Nazis game? I like that game … the left wins it before we even start… lets list the ways BushCo is like and/or related to Hitler…shall we?
Comment by Gerald Gibson — May 28, 2006 @ 12:08 pm
Gerald - I like that game, too. After all, Bush has a familial connection to the Nazis - Preston Bush and his Nazi money.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:18 pmcalguy - thanks… that’s why I don’t buy Exxon or Mobile gasoline. I’ll stick with Sunoco, Shell and Chevron.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:20 pmOn what basis do you state that Sterling Burnett is a “leading climate skeptic”? He doesn’t write in the manner of a scientist. He supposedly has a Ph.D., but does he have in training in meterology or environmental science. I am skeptical.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:22 pmSorry: meteorology, not meterology
May 28th, 2006 at 6:23 pmLet the games begin, for the beasts of war are upon US! They will stomp on any thing decent, but just as long as there is a financial gain! The supina power must be so great that their going to kill anything in sight to stop US from seeing what they’ve cache away! Look out for the subpena power that will take place!
May 28th, 2006 at 6:28 pmThese are sad times. The Republicans are so depressing in their unethical and immoral tactics, that where do you begin. It just goes on and on and on. Simply asinine they are.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:32 pmMemphis Mini,
When you demonstrate that a problem exists, and people don’t get it, then you have to give them more facts, to overcome their mental deficiencies. Over-representing facts is not the same as the Bush/Hitler solution of telling half-truths and lies.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:32 pmTo have to read this crap and make a comment, takes your mind off the gook we have for a president, and the war plus killing everyday that goes on and on. And to think people get a pay check for use of the word Hitler.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:46 pmGore misses the main point, and so do most of you. While there is plenty of evidence that the world is in a warming cycle, there is little if any that it is man made. If we wore parkas in our homes, rode bicycles to work, and made cows stop farting, this warming cycle would not be affected.
May 28th, 2006 at 7:24 pmHitler was a socialists
Comment by memphis minnie — May 28, 2006 @ 4:48 pm
HEY STUPID ,, now that I have your attention…HITLER was A NAZI..and they hated socialists.
Try reading something besides the daily memo from the idiots that have you trolling here and you will progress beyond the 3rd grade mentality you have shown here…
May 28th, 2006 at 7:27 pmRealClimate website has rebutted the claim used by CNN’s foolish or lazy skeptic seen by TJL3 that 30 years ago scientists were scaring us with claims of another ice age. The scientific press did not make these claims…but the main stream press did try to sensationalize scientific studies and as typical and managed to “misinform” the public. The rebuttal can be found at realclimate.org and was posted in January 2005 after columnist George Will tried to use it as an arguement to ignore science.
May 28th, 2006 at 7:32 pmSurely, you must have a PhD in geophysics, Big Guy. Of course, we barely contribute to affect CO2 emissions in its cycle. However, this little contribution is unbalancing the equilibrium. But, not just that, methane, water vapor, CFC´s are all greenhouse gases. We are like the chimps who learned to extract ants from logs and stones with little sticks. We are doing the opposite that nature does: whatever harmful or toxic substances were in the atmosphere millions of years ago, Earth brought them down and deposited them in the litosphere. I dont believe in God, but it is undeniable this “hell of a job” process that allowed life to appear as we know it. We are extracting all these substances and sending them again to the atmosphere. No wonder we are the most evolved species: fighting to plunder and destroy everything. As glaciers melt down, Earth´s albedo will rise and then contribute to more incoming radiation from the Sun. It is all good news from here…
May 28th, 2006 at 7:42 pmIs this payback for those invisible and imaginary liberals and Democrats comparing GWBush to Hitler? These guys are outrageous.
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May 28th, 2006 at 7:48 pmIf you are interested, this is a great document:
http://www.exergy.se/ftp/exergymorals.pdf
May 28th, 2006 at 7:51 pmRe: comment #77.
Strictly speaking, Clif, Hitler was actually a Socialist. In name, at least.
Not that I agree with the nasty comments made about Al Gore or anything, but it might be worth mentioning that the Nazi party did in fact call itself socialist. (NSDAP = Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei = National Socialist German Workers’ Party).
It’s not really pertinent to the discussion here, but there *are* significant differences between socialism and communism, the latter of which the Nazis were staunchly against.
And that Sterling Burnett guy needs to think of another simile to get his point across. As despicable and sad as it is, I think the Hitler comparison, regardless of whom you’re using it against, is a little played out these days.
And just in case I haven’t made my opinions clear, I side with Gore.
May 28th, 2006 at 8:01 pmOh come on…. stop picking on the fundy’s. They have enough issues to occupy their little minds like sex, reproduction rights, condemning gays, and support the Discovery Institute in order to PROVE creation and intelligent design. Global warming makes no difference to them since they will be gone in the “rapture” before it happens.
May 28th, 2006 at 8:17 pmToo bad that unknowledgable people always have to get personal, Juan. You have no idea about my phd, yet you make that completely unsupported comment. The rest of your statements have the same basis. No data, no facts, just your beliefs. If you had any idea of the inaccuracy of the cobbled together simulations used to PROVE man made global warming, you would be astounded. We can’t predict the weather, we can’t even predict el nino, No climate prediction has ever been correct, yet this garbage is accepted as fact. I am an ardent environmental advocate,and very anti-big-corp, having worked in the state legislature for environmental causes. But my scientific background cannot accept the lack of real data proving the link between man and warming. I accepted the CFC connection to ozone because the process was apparently understood. But even that may have been wrong, since ozone is recovering fastrer than lower CFC emission can account for. Were ozone holes another example of natural cycles mistaken for man made effects? Global warming is real. The currently popular links to man-made causes are not (If there is a link, its more likely to be ocean pollution and deforestation than greehouse gas emission, BTW). Gore’s beliefs regarding greenhouse emissions, and yours, are, as the article said, just beliefs.
May 28th, 2006 at 8:26 pmyea clif,
i was going to point out that little claim minnie had about hitler. ol’ memphis minnie went and put her best foot forward — the tragically ignorant one, rather than the tragically idiotic one.
i just love the scientists-30-years-ago bullshit claim. jackass tommy from tyler is trying to get that to fly elsewhere in this forum. 30 years ago cheney was personally nixing any idea of reining in the oil industry.
i’ll say it again:
if you can’t see that the real tragedy of being able to say we could’ve done something about oil dependence 30 years ago is the fact that we continue to do nothing about it, you deserve to be fossil fuel for the next dominant species.
damn that global warming.
it really pisses off the irresponsible procrastinating consumers of america.
so remember everyone:
if you ignore something, it doesn’t exist!
always trust oil industry sources, they clearly don’t have a vested interest in the status quo!
a scientist may spend years doing research, but i can find the answer that i like in just a few seconds!
i choose to believe only the things that don’t require any effort or sacrifice on my part!
damn tree huggers want to ruin the economy!
and last, but not least, al gore is that moonbat that claimed he invented the internet, so you know you can’t trust him!
attack, deny, obfuscate.
May 28th, 2006 at 8:28 pmrepeat.
If Burnett really wants to change hostile public opinion, then let him forget about Third Reich comparisons and follow instead the PR practice of Exxon granddaddy, John D. Rockefeller, and give away dimes.
May 28th, 2006 at 8:46 pmIf Burnett really wants to change hostile public opinion, then let him forget about Third Reich comparisons and follow instead the PR practice of Exxon granddaddy, John D. Rockefeller, and give away dimes.
May 28th, 2006 at 8:46 pmMinnie: Translation: [Gore is]“Juicing up the facts is acceptable to a climate scientist like myself.â€
That is not what Gore meant. Read the quote in context: http://grist.org/ news/ maindish/ 2006/ 05/ 09/ roberts/ index.html
And here is a later comment from Gore’s interviewer (reacting to Pat Michael’s jumping on the phrase:
Admittedly, “over-representation of factual presentations on how dangerous it is” is an inelegant phrase. But in context, its meaning is quite clear. An Inconvenient Truth spends the bulk of its time on basic global-warming science; only the final few minutes are devoted to solutions. My question was about that ratio, and so was Gore’s answer. Michaels intentionally distorted it. I invite your audience to read the whole interview and judge for themselves.
I don’t bother to turn a fan on every intellectual smoke grenade tossed by the dwindling number of well-paid climate “skeptics.” But in this case I was in the room, and Gore’s depth of knowledge, care with facts, and moral passion were striking.
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/5/18/05249/4718
May 28th, 2006 at 8:53 pmMeBigGuy: While there is plenty of evidence that the world is in a warming cycle, there is little if any that it is man made.
It seems I have to paste these links into the comments of every global warming post here. There is tons of evidence that humans are causing warming. See “The Scientific Case for Human-Induced Global Warming” on this page. These are all exhaustively peer reviewed pieces in the best science journals:
http://www.heatisonline.org/ contentserver/ objecthandlers/ index.cfm?id=3458&method=full
And also the first sentance of the National Academy of Sciences study, commissioned by GW Bush’s White House in 2001, reads:
“Greenhouse gases are accumulating in Earth’s atmosphere as a result of human activities, causing surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures to rise.â€:
http://www.heatisonline.org/ contentserver/ objecthandlers/ index.cfm?id=3713&method=full
May 28th, 2006 at 8:55 pm(Sorry, take 3: http://www.heatisonline.org/ contentserver/ objecthandlers/ index.cfm?id=3713&method=full)
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Sorry, Big Guy, about the PhD. Didnt think it was offensive.
May 28th, 2006 at 9:43 pmHowever, why dont we just seat here and wait until we see whether these believes are true or false? Sure, there is a huge lack of reliable data about global warming, would it not be great if oil, automobile, gas companies and governments try harder to know better about these changes?
Is Sterling Burnett completely uninformed about Hitler’s hatred of Jewish people? Hitler was paranoid, delusional and criminally insane. He believed exterminating the Jewish people, and other groups he considered to be inferior was the right thing to do. He was crazy. Al Gore is a sane, extremely intelligent human being who is trying to shake us out of our complacency about the significant contribution humans are making to global warming. He wants to wake us up so we can take steps to reverse the damage we’ve done to our home, before we destroy it. Sterling Burnett, and others who profit from maintaining the status quo want us to continue sleepwalking to our extinction. Perhaps Burnett’s descendants will have the means to travel to another planet to plunder and destroy. Ya think?
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May 28th, 2006 at 11:39 pmI wish the ADL would request that the guy apologize. It’s an affront to victims of the Holocaust as much as it is an offense to Gore. I found it outrageous. This man should apologize or be shunned by every respectable member of society.
May 28th, 2006 at 11:40 pmFACT: global warming is happening.
FACT: The rate of change is faster than most scientists expected, and is closer to the worst case scenario than to the best case scenario.
FACT: While we cannot prove that all of the warming is due to man, we know that the majority is. The proportion due to natural cycles is likely between 0% and 25% of the total warming.
FACT: In order to merely freeze the amount of carbon dioxide to today’s levels, each person on Earth would, on average, have to reduce his use of resources which cause carbon dioxide to be emitted by 1.3% each year (because the population is growing by that much.)
FACT: Of the 198 countries on Earth, only Denmark, Netherlands, and Germany are making strenuous efforts to achieve the above goal. The other 195 are either doing nothing or making half-hearted to good efforts, not all-out efforts befitting a crisis. To be fair, in most countries in Europe, the typical car is the size of a Ford Focus or smaller, and less people own cars. So it is more difficult to cut emissions further than it is in the U.S. where almost half of the people drive trucks, vans, and sport-utes around, with one person aboard and no cargo most of the time.
May 28th, 2006 at 11:45 pmsterling.burnett@ncpa.org
Dear Mr. Burnett:
In re “Gore Believed In Global Warming Almost As Much As Hitler Believed There Was Something Wrong With The Jewsâ€
That’s very sad, coming as it does from Exxon’s own Josef Goebbles. Where is your shame, you despicable excuse of a man? My comfort will be in knowing how you will suffer and how your children will suffer as the lies and denial are cooked out of you.
May 29th, 2006 at 12:04 amThese corporations spend so much time and money attacking? I’m sure thye all know this global warming will come to bite in their asses. But I’m sure they are short-term, live for the moment, types where they only need to make money as quickly as possible and escape responsibility in the future.
I’m beginning to actually hate people.
May 29th, 2006 at 12:20 amUGH!
According to this Burnett expert (??), Martin Luther King seemed like Slodoban Milosevic, Michael Moore is Osama Bin Laden, which also was said in the media, pacificists are like Stalin, and anyone who fights against corporations should be considered criminals and assasins. How can they be that stupid?
May 29th, 2006 at 12:24 amI heard that Bush has a secret room from of Nazi paraphenalia.
May 29th, 2006 at 1:09 amWell, I guess that this is it then..right Minnie? or what about you, the always hate filled little couch dreaming joke who runs around spitting his ignorance around the web, (Talking to you mighty “transvestite” Aphrodite, you little fruit-cake you…LMAO!)
And the PhD-super-Little-big-man-Guy-scientist-hunk in here, you are new to me and most of us I think, So you’re meteorologist huh? May I ask you something? Err..??? HOW THE F*** DOES THAT MAKE YOU AN EXPERT OF CLIMATE SCIENCE?????
Knowing (as sure as you your self put it) that no one have the slightest idea on how to interpret the weather with a 100% certainty one day top the other seems to me as far off from the science in reading the pole ice core and their historical evidence still merged within them and your education which clearly shows us that your opinion is as highly dismissive as are your thoughts.
Like this one “naccuracy of the cobbled together simulations used to PROVE man made global warming” (by the way, learn English before posting professor, it spells IN-accuracy, I underlined it for your ongoing and quite necessary educational progression dear friend..LOL!)
Well good doc Sir..Why don’t ya? Come on then my good (Big) Man! Please enlighten us..or at least pleasure our needs for enjoyment by finally also PRODUCE some charts or something that backs your claims and stop running silly while trying to foul play other more morally heavy weights as the REALLY HUGE MAN Gore here and those that have helped him in his effort in trying to educate the ignorant masses…or why not? having a little problem with your bosses huh? would loose your job? how much do they pay you to stand there almost alone and airing this crap against what the vast majority of even greater minds within the scientific faculty says about this alarmingly crescendo and as we both know, if true (duuh!!!) then quite life threatening phenomena from AROUND THIS GLOBE. that said..bye-bye Doc!
As for this Gray and Burning Burnett…??? What the darn bush burn is wrong with all you people? Why the hell are you all still here following threads about what crazy bastards like these morons working for none else the mighty Preznit Chimp decider and his longtime pals who only are making sure doing a “heck of a fools job” for him that will enable them in getting that huge pocket stuffing award that comes from the “saved behind our back supplier” THAT is often handed out from UNDER this Bush to good and extremely orderly boys from the skulls and bones gang kinda hypes..???? Have you at all understood what the heck I am saying here now?
Well, if not, then AT LAST have I learned the mighty Rovian rhetoric’s technique and now know the secret to control your dumb asses….LOL!
Nah! Just kidding billy Joe…and do not worry aunt Mary, all us big eared and banjo plonkin´ kids will soon be as tanned as those fine darker gentle men that you and momma keeps sneakin in after dark dad and his sister have gone down to fish for (Kath fish). And as for the rest of you mountain dwelling hill billies….wake up and get a life…ROFL!
May 29th, 2006 at 2:28 amWell, it’s obvious that Al Gore just hates America, and wishes for the terrorists to win. ;)
Why do I get the feeling this will be the centerpiece for a GOP campaign against Gore if he decides to run in 2008?
Face it America, Climate Change is happening!
May 29th, 2006 at 2:59 amHitler was a vegetarian and environmentalist.
May 29th, 2006 at 3:14 amWOW! I’m not normally by these FAR right wing nutbags. I am actually in complete shock. I never knew they could or would go this far to conceal the truth…I am disgusted beyond belief. Isnt this America??!! I’m truly frightened for the future of this country.
May 29th, 2006 at 3:39 amJust saw the Gore film, “Inconvenient Truth” last night.
What a powerful movie and a testament to Al Gore’s passionate pursuit of sanity for this planet.
It was chock full of incontrovertible truths about what’s happening now to the environment, proving to me, at least, that global warming is a real and present danger to us and to our children’s future. It’s not about the cycles of nature, it’s about what man (and, in particular , the citizens of the United States) is doing recklessly, irresponsibly, and unthinkingly to destroy earth.
It also made me sad that this intellectually capable and curious man was robbed of the Presidency in 2000 by 9 people wearing black robes. If he was in office, we probably wouldn’t have been engaged in the debacle of this War in Iraq and we sure as hell would’ve signed the Kyoto Treaty.
Perhaps, just perhaps, he can be persuaded to run again in 2008. Wouldn’t that be something? You can tell in this film what a bitter blow 2000 was to him. But, somehow that “defeat” seems to have loosened him up, made him less of a flesh puppet. He’s come up off the mat with a deeper knowledge of himself and is ready to fight for us and the earth’s future with a quiet dignity and a renewed sense of purpose.
May 29th, 2006 at 4:05 amI just laugh at you goofs that “just know” global warming is Man-made. The earth has cooled and warmed since the beginning. That is normal.
Now the question I keep asking all the global waraming nut cases out there is:
Please show me quantatatively how much of global warming is caused by man? As an example if you say the earth has warmed 1.2 degress in the last 20 years, please show me x of 1.2 was natural and x of 1.2 is man-made…….when you can prove with real data not a computer model that has to be “fixed” every 2 years to fit current measurments I will be glad to listen. Until then your just a buch of doom and gloom nut cases.
May 29th, 2006 at 6:46 am#83 You hit the nail in the head: Hitler was socialist in name.
Hitler was a demagogue (much like GW Bush) who pretended to be on the side of the small german guy, humiliated by the WWI and empoverished by the Great Depression who hit the whole world. He talked to the german society of poor people, the german nationalistic gut, to thrive and reach power thanks to very dubious means (burning of the Reichstag, the german Congress building). But his ideas had very few ado, if any, with the ones of Marx, Engels or the likes who defined the of Socialism (capitalized) as a political ideology.
The “socialist” in the name of the nazi party is simply a word to hide its true intentions, what has very few ado with the real ideology of the party or the party leader. Simply look at the names of the main parties in your country: Democrats and Republicans. To anyone attempting to understand your political system, a simple look at the names of your parties says nothing about their ideology, tendencies, history, or evolution (or lack of ;) ). After all, your country is a republic and has a democracy. What means it? That Republicans don’t care about democracy (well, maybe this last Prez don’t) or that Democrats don’t want a republic as the organizative form of your country?
An international knowledge quiz (I will translate the names to make it easier): we have a party in our country called “Popular Party”. Deduct from its name its ideology. We have also a party called “New Force”. Deduct its ideology. And another one, “Iniciative for Catalonia”, deduct its ideology. And the last one, “Canary Coalition”, deduct its ideology. A hint: the later ones are parties of nationalist regions, as its name appoints, but of very different ideology.
May 29th, 2006 at 8:21 amWe are living in dangerous times. Yes, demos have no leaders with a spine. While leadership may be lacking on the left, it is a matter of accountability that must drive the next two election cycles. Gore is not a perfect candidate or politician, but at this point he is truly the perfect antidote to bush and co.
May 29th, 2006 at 8:42 am#107 Please show me quantatatively how much of global warming is caused by man? As an example if you say the earth has warmed 1.2 degress in the last 20 years, please show me x of 1.2 was natural and x of 1.2 is man-made…….when you can prove with real data not a computer model that has to be “fixed†every 2 years to fit current measurments I will be glad to listen. Until then your just a buch of doom and gloom nut cases.
You post just nonsense, and biased opinion. You can find a lot of websites of reliable institutes (including the NASA, you know, one of the scientific agencies most reliables in your country, with more rocket and weather scientifics per square yard that the Congress has of corrupt Republicans, so a BIG density) with thousands of data, charts, graphics and articles about global warming, trends and tendencies. These are the data used with computer. Data that you can’t read in your whole life, as massive its volume is. You can bet your dearest republican pin that I trust more a computer, even with a defective model, in the hands of a “nerd” than your feeble and biased mind to manage all the data. And by the way, the models, aren’t “fixed”, but “refined”. The same way your dad had a enormous and inefective B/W TV, and now you can have a slim plasma one. In both, you can’t see TV, but now you can see it far better than your dad (Hey, TV concept, plasma technology, and the hundreds of inventions in a single case of a regular TV are all “nerdy inventions”). That’s the reason your dad had to trust his bad back to predict rain, and now you have full colour, in motion satellite images, on your teevee of the storms coming your way, and you can stock your freezer of beers in advance (you know? the freezer itself was a “nerd nutcase” invention, too).
May 29th, 2006 at 8:42 amThe neocons have for a while now have been able to successfully spin/deny that we humans, like it or not, have a social contract. They believe the illusion that a man can be an island and it is very sad for all of us because it is ugly and unloving. It is convenient for the selfish man to believe he is the lone hunter living or dying by his wits and balls alone. It is a fantasy. Every man’s success includes countless others, a fact the Limbaughs and Coulters ignore in their tiny tunnel vision. They are so desperate to puff up their loud, vulgar, and puny egos - adrenaline is all they’ve got to feel alive. Reminds me of a movie with Rod Stieger where he pushes his hand down onto a sharp spike just to feel something. ( he played a man that was emotionally numb) A social contract of love does not have to mean a loss of individuality. It recognizes that we are not seperate on one level. It enhances the best kind of individuality. For the right wingers to scream “socialist!” or “communist” when decent people want to pass the hat ( government programs) to provide help for others is just an excuse for hate, laziness, and numbness. The Bartletts and the Bushes want to be comfortable with their selfishness and laugh at those who struggle when they see others suffer. They think they are tough but they’re not. Love is all that is real.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:53 am#107. Can you tell me what gravity is?
Would you enter a building without the assurance that the structural engineer accounted for gravity? But, no engineer anywhere can tell you what gravity is. So, why do you trust the engineer to design the building?
Toothpicks are cheaper than concrete and steel. Would you trust the owner of the building if he said toothpicks were good enough. After all, the engineer can’t explain how gravity works.
You trust the engineer because of the body of data that supports his assupmtions and conclusions.
My point is, we can understand the effects of natural phenomena enough to predict trends without really knowing the nuts and bolts of how it works.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:07 amPlease show me quantatatively how much of global warming is caused by man?
As showed in the links in comments #’s 90, 91, manmade climate change is there. The scientific community agrees it’s there. And the last “skeptics” are conceding this (as more and more evidence is gathered, you either concede or lose the respect of your colleagues. You don’t tend to build a career by insisting that 2+2=5).
Now, there are more and less optimistic views on how much our CO2 emissions are/will be warming the planet. But there are baselines that everyone agrees with. And there are worst case scenarios still in debate.
So based on all of this, over at MIT they have a page that graphically represents the probabilities:
http://web.mit.edu/ globalchange/ www/ wheel.degC.html
I believe this takes into account how much of the warming is anthropogenic, to the extent that it’s still in debate. The science that this wheel was based on is two years old. And I believe the case for greater warming has grown stronger since then.
So anyway, I’m not inclined to gamble, are you? I think our childrens’ and grandchildrens’ futures are worth a bit more than that.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:15 amGotta love Big Al, after all he is our real President!
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May 29th, 2006 at 10:22 amI see in Sterling Burnett, “senior fellow at the Exxon-backed National Center for Policy Analysis”, the same ideology-driven attitude typical of the Bush administration. Besides an obvious lack of taste and civility.
He is part of the “National Center for Policy Analysis”, a “think tank”. One wonders: based on what data do they analyse policies? Obviously only their balance sheets and not on th einterest of current and future generations. “Think tank” sounds quite ironic, in this respect.
This disgusting attitude by which FACTS ARE FIXED AROUND THE POLICY (I am sure this expression will sound familiar), is frankly quite disgusting and utterly dangerous: animated by an ideological blindness, it denies facts and leads to disasters.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:32 amWhat galls me the most is that Exxon Mobile is getting my ****ing tax dollars as I read this piece and are making a killing going to their dis-information campaign.
I’m a paracticing meteorogologist who is far from a skeptic and actually things are hell of a lot worse than y’all think. It’s f***ing physics morons. You can not selectively ignore the effects of CO2 with added sunlight because of anyones political belief systems.
These times are incredible and I’m out of breath. Soon there will sceintists joining and backing eco-terrorism and the Washington Post will then ask the question “how could anybody do this? golly! what transpired this”
You are fools - there will be hundred of Bin Ladin’s when the sh*t hits the proverbial fan. The average american moron has a lot of catching up to do.
The cool thing is this summer’s and Fall’s weather will PUT THE HEAT on this whole unenlightened picture.
Sincerely somebody in the know whos studies this sort of thing - I’ts way way worse than you’re dreams.
Burn baby burn!
May 29th, 2006 at 11:16 amUsing Nazism to get back at Al Gore is quite an interesting tactic by Burnett and Gray. However, they have overlooked this administration’s direct comparisons to Nazi Germany. In the 2 elections for President you saw many car’s with the inital W on their windows which can be compared to the dreaded swasticker. And is it any wonder that someone actually came up with the slogan “HOMELAND Security”, sounds a lot like “Deutschland”. Using the big lie (Joseph Goebbels said, say it long enough and loud enough and the people will believe you) the adminstration had made its case for war on Iraq. Smear your enemies was the leading technique employed by the Nazis. My biggest fear is that as we get closer to the next presidential election, something big will occur and this administration will say that they must remain in office in order to save the country. It is not that crazy to think that this cannot happen.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:21 amThe tital of your cover story “Gore believes in Global warming as much as Hitler believes there was something wrong with Jews” is not only vile but misleading. If one were not to read the whole story (which I’m sure most people do not) they wouldn’t know that the Exxon executive Sterling Burnett was the one who said this. Did this occur by accident? To mention Hitler with any policy belief (or any person for that matter) is odious, and something I would expect from an Oil Company exec. I feel an apology is warranted (as a Headline) to Mr. Gore, and made by you and Mr. Burnett. When a country and its citizens are being methodically stripped of its rights and privileges by a man of little accomplishment and stature the analogy (while still odious) can be better placed. RPM Boca Raton, Fla
May 29th, 2006 at 11:26 amBut WHY doing this? And most importantly, HOW do we get them to stop?
May 29th, 2006 at 11:28 amWe can say that “the oil companies are set on destroying the earth>, and keep it up the way they do. (I’ve begun to believe this is true, by the way.)
What are some other real suggestions of tactics to stop them? It’s so painful to hear this stuff and to know that they are going to keep it up– supported by media.
If media would slice them up for it, like they would have done at one time, it would stop. But they seem to do it now knowing that they control the media, or enough of it to get this stuff on a real roll. We have to be smart enough to figure out HOW to stop it, or they will use it to continue to destroy our values, our form of government, or health, and our lives.
I love my dog Tucker as much as Noam Chomsky hates America.
I hate Hitler as much as Paris Hilton just loves Guerlain perfume.
I love Barry Bonds as much as Gavin Newsome hates aggressive panhandlers.
I love Stephen Colbert as much as Dick Cheney loves Bill O’Reilly
I hate canned Asparagus as much as Mao hated bespecaled intellectuals.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:29 amThat’s okay, we just laugh at you for being stupid.
May 29th, 2006 at 12:04 pmDemonization is the characterization of individuals, groups, or political bodies as evil or subhuman for purposes of justifying and making plausible an attack, whether in the form of character assassination, legal action, circumscribing of political liberties, or warfare. The purpose is to facilitate oppressive actions against the demonized individual or group, ranging from ostracism to genocide.
May 29th, 2006 at 12:17 pmSpudge boy: I’m getting REALLY tired of hearing that excuse for global warming. NO SHIT the earth has gone through warming and cooling periods. Yes I agree. But what you “quick to conclusion” type people fail to realize is that whenever the earth would cool off and warm up in the past it had taken literally hundreds, or at least 50 years to even so much as see a difference.
This is happening way too fast and way too aburptly for it to be a natural cycle. You have the worst hurricane season last year in the US. The worst typhoons in Australia and China jsut this year…. EVER. These are as bad as they’ve ever been. For you to say, “oh, it’s just nature taking it’s course!” Is an incredibly uneducated statement.
What do people like you think happens when that exhaust from your car or factories leaves into the atmosphere? Do you think it just “leeks” into space? I mean, you might as well think the Earth is flat!
May 29th, 2006 at 1:21 pm#123 Spudge is on the ecological side. He’s only making fun of some republican sceptic.
May 29th, 2006 at 1:40 pmThe neocons have for a while now have been able to successfully spin/deny that we humans, like it or not, have a social contract.
Another example of that demented, brain damaged thinking of the left/econazi crowd. Because of their child-like mental capacity, they are constantly trying to anthropomorphize the earth.
In this case, it’s leftist code word for socialism. You are an idiot and all that is good comes from the government.
May 29th, 2006 at 2:10 pmWith all due respect “Mr. Rick” Good try, but no cigar. Your comment is lazy selfish …..it’s all or nothing for you Rick isn’t it. Your brain cannot conceive of a combo of freedom and social responsibility. Not even close. Why? Because you are not interested in social responsibility, which means responsibility to others. you are only interested in you, plus you don’t think. That is a very bad combo. If you distrust government so much and think that the left believes all good comes from government, you are uninformed. And if you trust this government, which is a perfect example of the type of government you purport to fear, you are deluded. Your group grows smaller dear. So, I suggest you get an education.
May 29th, 2006 at 2:21 pmstatic9r,
What Evil Spaniard said.
May 29th, 2006 at 2:24 pm“You have the worst hurricane season last year in the US.”
Simply not true, unless by “worst” you mean dollar value. We are so anthro-centered that we don’t think weather happens unless we’re there to witness or suffer from it. Throughout unrecorded history, the Atlantic has endured worse hurricane seasons that didn’t cause a dollars’ worth of damage.
According to this means of measuring hurricane severity, hurricanes that don’t cause monetary damage don’t matter. This is a silly way to measure. Every year there are more and more high-priced condos and homes on the shorelines of the Southeast and property values rise, so yes, there will be more monetary damage from hurricanes hitting those areas.
This website cleverly lifted one intemperate remark by a well-respected scientist and all of you are commenting on it as if this remark is the sum total of his arguments. Hyperbole and ad hominen attacks proliferate and substitute for reasoned argument on both sides of this debate. If anything, the global warming believers are even more guilty of demonizing their opponents than the skeptics are. There are serious facts and arguments underlying the skeptical position. It’s just that this website, and the linked article — the reporter clearly intends to marginalize his profile subject — have chosen to shift the focus to other matters, like the stray comment made out of frustration. If you honestly wish to explore those arguments, this website, and the WaPo profile, are probably not the best places to look.
As for that bete noir “corporate funding,” the article makes clear that funding for global warming skeptics has largely dried up, as more mega-corporations have found it in their political interests to join up with the bandwagon (corporations are not renowned for bucking trends). If you’re a climate scientist looking for funding, do you really think it’s advantageous to say you’re skeptical about global warming? The monetary incentives today, at least, are clearly on the side of the believers, not the skeptics.
May 29th, 2006 at 3:09 pmHow much longer will we have to listen to these bigoted wackos? Gore is Hitler? Then who’s GWBush, Dracula? Yeah, that’s a good one. W’s Dracula. Works for me…
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#128 A great opinion. Sadly, Global Warming isn’t an opinion or a believing, but a extensively demonstrated fact. Here, the balanced counterpart of the argument has no sense, because humans are changing the wheater for the worse, and quickly. No doubt about it. If you don’t believe in it, think what would have thougth your grandad or grand grandad about supersonic fly, flat plasma TV, bullet trains or travel to the Moon or Mars. And this only has happened in a hundred years, even less. Why do you think that the impact on the nature is negligible or far slower than the human achievements? Show your documentation, please.
As for that bete noir “corporate funding,†the article makes clear that funding for global warming skeptics has largely dried up, as more mega-corporations have found it in their political interests to join up with the bandwagon (corporations are not renowned for bucking trends).
This happens when corporations realize that they can’t fight against reality. And Global Warming is.
There are serious facts and arguments underlying the skeptical position.
There are far more facts, arguments and research demonstrating the contrary. If even China, who don’t gives a crap for his workers, and gives a da*n about western craziness, has begun an ecological program to clean its cities, enviromentally, its because even this closed country has realized the dangers of extreme pollution.
If you’re a climate scientist looking for funding, do you really think it’s advantageous to say you’re skeptical about global warming?
You can bet a climate scientist can live today even if Glowal Warming didn’t existed at all (it exists, altough). Climate models are ever needed, and they could in that case live perfectly working in alternative fields, such as exoclimatology, better models for commercial freighters, enhancement of GPS-like location systems taking in consideration weather, prediction of hurricane paths, tsunamis, etc. As you ca