Hagel: ‘Things Are Worse Off In The Middle East Today Than They Were Three Years Ago’
Hagel: ‘Things Are Worse Off In The Middle East Today Than They Were Three Years Ago’
This weekend, President Bush delivered the commencement address at West Point and declared that his global war on terror is helping to spread freedom in the Middle East:
Decades of excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe. So long as the Middle East remains a place where freedom does not flourish, it will remain a place where terrorists foment resentment and threaten American security. So we are pursuing a forward strategy of freedom in the Middle East.
This morning on Meet the Press, Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE), a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, delivered a strong rebuke of Bush’s assessment of what’s going on in the Middle East:
I think you could make a pretty strong case that things are worse off in the Middle East today than they were three years ago. By measurement of Iraq, by Iran, by the Palestinian-Israeli issue, what’s going on in Egypt. And, I think the United States must use its force of diplomacy to engage Iran.
Hagel isn’t alone in making his argument that the Middle East is worse off since the Iraq invasion. In Newsweek, prominent Arab journalist Rami Khouri writes:
Three years after the assault on Iraq, the country is delicately balanced between a reconfigured democratic polity and an endless slide into hell. More troubling, though, is that events in Iraq are not a freak sideshow. The evidence suggests that Iraq mirrors a wider and troubling trend throughout this region that is being fostered by Bush, Blair and their freedom-loving friends, whether deliberately or inadvertently. Once stable Arab countries are slowly polarizing and fragmenting into smaller units of ethnic, religious and tribal identities, each with its own militia and contacts with Washington, London, Paris and other global power centers. Like it or not, failed states are an increasingly common outcome of Western meddling in the Middle East.
If Bush truly wants to admit mistakes about the Iraq war, he must acknowledge the negative consequences it has had on the region.
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Yeah, but you still voted Hayden in iddn’t you Chuck?
May 28th, 2006 at 12:52 pmHagel actually sounds like he has a brain and is connected to reality. I hope he doesn’t get thrown out of the Republican party because of this
May 28th, 2006 at 12:57 pmAs much as I think he is a decent man who has been tempered by the horrors of war, he still goes into the tank and votes for Bush and his agenda 90% of the time.
Too late to bitch now Mr. Hagel.
-GSD
May 28th, 2006 at 12:59 pmWalk the talk upChuckie, and then maybe someone will believe you are sincere…
May 28th, 2006 at 1:01 pmonly somewhat off topic, but a good explanation as to why “things are worse”:
Joey Galloway’s email exchange with Larry DiRita
via crooksandliars
be sure to read them – “Booman Tribune has the full email exchange printed.”
May 28th, 2006 at 1:08 pmRead an article that explains the new unspoken Bush strategy that acknowledges the realities of a failed foreign policy and now focuses on “containment”…here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
May 28th, 2006 at 1:09 pmIRAQ WORSE THAN MEDIA SHOWS; STATE DEPT!
The following human rights problems were reported:
pervasive climate of violence
misappropriation of official authority by sectarian, criminal, terrorist, and insurgent groups
arbitrary deprivation of life
disappearances
torture and other cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment
impunity
poor conditions in pretrial detention facilities
arbitrary arrest and detention
denial of fair public trial
an immature judicial system lacking capacity
limitations on freedoms of speech, press, assembly, and association due to terrorist and militia violence
restrictions on religious freedom
large numbers of internally displaced persons (IDPs)
lack of transparency and widespread corruption at all levels of government
constraints on nongovernmental organizations (NGOs)
discrimination against women, ethnic, and religious minorities
limited exercise of labor rights
http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2005/61689.htm
a. Arbitrary or Unlawful Deprivation of Life
b. Disappearance
c. Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman, or Degrading Treatment or Punishment
d. Arbitrary Arrest or Detention
e. Denial of Fair Public Trial
f. Arbitrary Interference with Privacy, Family, Home, or Correspondence
g. Use of Excessive Force and Other Abuses in Internal Conflicts
OH SHIT EVEN THE STATE DEPARTMENT KNOWS ITS A DISASTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO ON CHIMPY BLAME THE MEDIA. MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE NIXON DID!!!!!!!!!!
May 28th, 2006 at 1:13 pmHagel as Hegel without the laughs.
May 28th, 2006 at 1:13 pmMay 1, 2003 Today
U.S. Troops Wounded
542 17,469
U.S. Troops Killed
139 2,400
Size of U.S. Forces
150,000 132,000
Size of Iraqi Security Forces
7,000-9000 250,500
Number of Insurgents
5,000 15,000-20,000
Insurgent Attacks Per Day
8 75
Cost to U.S. Taxpayers
$79 billion $320 billion
Approval of Bush’s Handling of Iraq
75% 37%
Percentage of Americans who Believe The Iraq War Was “Worth Fighting†70% 41%
Bush’s Overall Job Approval
71% 32%
JUST THE FACTS, LET THEM CHOKE ON IT.
This does not even broach less Feul, pottable water and electricity more than 3 years out.
May 28th, 2006 at 1:17 pmTHIS MEANS NOTHING .wHEN HE CALLS FOR CENSURE OR FOR IMPEACHMENT IN CONGRESS, MAY BE , MAY BE HIS WORDS WOULD HAVE EFFECTS .
May 28th, 2006 at 1:24 pmAll this nicey nice from the pugs are proving to me that Rove has been indicted.
Remember Americans, the pugs never do or say anthing without an alterior motive.
May 28th, 2006 at 1:25 pmBut what about the flag burning and gay marriage…?
May 28th, 2006 at 1:35 pmWow, Hagel FINALLY got it! We should celebrate or something!
May 28th, 2006 at 1:41 pmStay with it, Hagel. The world must be made safe for margaritas.
May 28th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#3 – You are right, GSD, these Republicrooks speak out, but then they go along with whatever the party/Bush wants. It means nothing.
May 28th, 2006 at 1:51 pmWhile the Repugnant Chimp-in-Chief entertains the troops, this is what his handler is doing to “spread peace in the Middle East” as reported by WMR:
May 26, 2006 —
May 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmOn May 24, the National Security Council contravened US ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad and ruled out direct negotiations with Iran that were promised by Khalilzad after the appointment of a new Iraqi government. However, State Department sources report that there are direct negotiations taking place between Iran and the United States. However, the American side is not represented by the U.S. government but by Halliburton. The oil company, with long ties to Dick Cheney, is negotiating with Iran on potential contracts to refurbish Iran’s aging oil production infrastructure. The saber-rattling from the Bush White House over Iran is either a smokescreen to draw attention away from U.S.-Iranian oil talks or represents a new fracture between the neocons in the Bush administration: the financially-motivated vs. the politically-motivated necons. This fissure may represent the first discernable break between Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
The world wonders if Iraq is on the brink of civil war, while Iraqis fear calling it one, knowing the fate such a description would portend. In truth, the civil war started long before Samarra and long before the first uprisings. It started when U.S. troops arrived in Baghdad. It began when Sunnis discovered what they had lost, and Shiites learned what they had gained. And the worst is yet to come.
The final words from Nir Rosen in the WaPo today on the state of Iraq.
May 28th, 2006 at 1:56 pmI’ve said it many times before — Hagel is a prime example.
May 28th, 2006 at 2:03 pmHe says the right things – he makes sense – he is a reasonable man. But when it comes down to the details, he VOTES REPUBLICAN!
Don’t pay attention to what they say; watch what they do.
As alway’s another bobblehead Repuppetcan talking out of two sides of his mouth.
Whenever a controversial vote or issue comes up he’ll cave as usual, and shut up for a few weeks, and people will still think he’s a moderate.
THERE ARE NO MODERATE REPUPPETCANS!!!!!!!!!!!
May 28th, 2006 at 2:11 pmHagel, DUH!
May 28th, 2006 at 2:17 pmWith the Al Dawa and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution of Iraq now holding the reins of power in Iraq, things are way worse off in the Middle East today than they were three years ago.
How so?
For over twenty years, Al Dawa and the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution of Iraq have sought to make Iraq a fundamentalist Islamic Republic.
Al Dawa, the party of Prime Miniser Designate Malliki, is the father of Hezbollah and also a well-known terrorist group.
E.g.:
In 1984, four men from Al Dawa highjacked a Kuwait airbus travelling from Kuwait to Pakistan.
They held the plane for six days.
During this time, these four men from Al Dawa shot and killed two Americans: Mr Charles Hegna and Mr William Stanford.
Iraq: Bush’s Islamic Republic
By Peter W. Galbraith
[snip]
SCIRI and Dawa want Iraq to be an Islamic state. They propose to make Islam the principal source of law, which most immediately would affect the status of women. For Muslim women, religious law—rather than Iraq’s relatively progressive civil code—would govern personal status, including matters relating to marriage, divorce, property, and child custody. A Dawa draft for the Iraqi constitution would limit religious freedom for non-Muslims, and apparently deny such freedom altogether to peoples not “of the book,” such as the Yezidis (a significant minority in Kurdistan), Zoroastrians, and Bahais.
This program is not just theoretical. Since Saddam’s fall, Shiite religious parties have had de facto control over Iraq’s southern cities. There Iranian-style religious police enforce a conservative Islamic code, including dress codes and bans on alcohol and other non-Islamic behavior. In most cases, the religious authorities govern—and legislate—without authority from Baghdad, and certainly without any reference to the freedoms incorporated in Iraq’s American-written interim constitution—the Transitional Administrative Law (TAL).
Dawa and SCIRI are not just promoting an Iranian-style political system —they are also directly promoting Iran- ian interests. Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, the SCIRI leader, has advocated paying Iran billions in reparations for damage done in the Iran–Iraq war, even as the Bush administration has been working to win forgiveness for Iraq’s Saddam-era debt. Iraq’s Shiite oil minister is promoting construction of an export pipeline for petroleum from Basra to the Iranian port city of Abadan, creating an economic and strategic link between the two historic adversaries that would have been unthinkable until now. Iraq’s Shiite government has acknowledged Iraq’s responsibility for starting the Iran–Iraq war, and apologized. It is an acknowledgment probably justified by the historical record, but one that has infuriated Iraq’s Sunni Arabs.
[snip
Mr Bush and his supporters have inadvertently fathered a burgeoning fundamentalist Islamic republic with extremely close ties to Iran in direct response to the horrific attacks of 9/11.
Where’s the outrage?
May 28th, 2006 at 2:21 pmEven Republicans are now coming to grips with the myth of the Bush Doctrine.
May 28th, 2006 at 2:23 pmI think that we should all be very happy that Bush finally decided NOT to give up on something when it comes to Iraq. When you look back on all the things he has given up on, you have to wonder, why Iraq? Here is a short list:
May 28th, 2006 at 2:41 pmThe Air Marshalls
The Texas Rangers
Being a son his father could be proud of
Cocaine
Alcohol
Here’s an item I can’t believe isn’t more talked about:
Yesterday, Bush gave the commencement address at West Point. In that speech, Bush made the following argument for why we went into Iraq, “When the United Nations Security Council gave him [Saddam Hussein] one final chance to disclose and disarm, or face serious consequences, he refused to take that final opportunity. So coalition forces went into Iraq.†This is nothing less than surreal. Everyone knows Hussein had no WMD to disarm.
What does it say about our country that the President can get up and make an extravagantly and preposterously absurd statement like this? What does this say about the lack of respect the President shows toward our future military leaders that he is willing to talk utter nonsense right to their faces? And what does it say about the Washington Post that they failed to even mention this fact in their coverage of the speech?
May 28th, 2006 at 2:59 pmChuck hits the GOP hard once again, but does he back this tough talk up with actual votes and serious suggestions? Not yet. Time to step up and burn the neo-cons Hagel.
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
The State of the Bush Administration:
Right now on LCL
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
May 28th, 2006 at 3:10 pmInside the massacre of Iraqi civilians at Haditha. Plus, give us your opinion:
Right now on SSA
Chris Marshall, I saw coverage of this speech on T.V.
I picked the entire thing apart. Bubble boy isn’t fooling anyone. He will not get one single person to reverse their negative opinion of him.
He is a laughing stock, these kids at West Point are forced to listen to the Bubble boy, they don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth any more than us civilians do.
May 28th, 2006 at 3:14 pmStupid Republicans:
I wish you were right. But apparently Bush is still fooling the media. He gets up in public, makes a blatantly delusional statement on the most important issue of our time, and the media don’t even report it.
Something very strange and disturbing has happened to our country.
May 28th, 2006 at 3:21 pmWhat I have noticed Chris is this….The media reports what Bubble boy says but doesn’t offfer commentary. Of course you have commentators that have an opinion either way but regualr news programs report and allow the viewers to come to their own conclussions.
I’ve long given up on the media to tell it like it is and cut to the chase.
The truth these days, has to be searched for and found, it is no longer given freely.
Real Americans search and find which leaves Bubble boy left with only the mentals for support.
May 28th, 2006 at 3:40 pmChris,
I was reviewing the speech that Bush gave to the cadets and I cannot find that quote you posted. Do you have a link?? Not that I don’t doubt you but the White House site does not include that.
May 28th, 2006 at 3:58 pmrats…delete the “don’t”
May 28th, 2006 at 4:00 pmLizzy: you linked to the wrong West Point speech. The one you linked to was given in 2002. Try this one:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/06/20020601-3.html
Wow, you had me freaking out for a minute. I clicked on your link and I couldn’t find it either. I knew the Bush Administration was devious but I didn’t think they could scrub their web site that fast!
May 28th, 2006 at 4:20 pmStupid Republicans said, “What I have noticed Chris is this….The media reports what Bubble boy says but doesn’t offfer commentary.”
Its even worse than you think. In this case, the media didn’t even report it. I had to get the text off the White House web site. The only reason I even heard it about it was because someone had a post on Huffington Post this morning (now apparently taken down) that mentioned it.
May 28th, 2006 at 4:23 pmOops. This is turning into a comedy of errors. Lizzy: don’t click on that link in comment #30. I accidentally relinked to the same 2002 speech you did.
USE THIS LINK INSTEAD OF THE ONE IN COMMENT #30:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2006/05/20060527-1.html
May 28th, 2006 at 4:25 pmChris, I apologize…I clicked the same link when I did a search. It is truly frightful that bush actually said this to graduating Cadets.
May 28th, 2006 at 4:33 pmno shit, Chucky… now what are you going to do about it?
May 28th, 2006 at 4:34 pmReally, guys. The real question you have to answer yourselves, the american people (which is an usurpation of the geographical word for inhabitants of this whole continent, by the way) is who told you to look after the world´s “freedom”? Who gave you that right? Jefferson, Franklin or some other native-killing father of the contry? I know you are intelligent fellows (much more than conservatives or rednecks, of course) but still you (even Michael Moore, to me, a middle class hero) assume a moral, economical or whatever other leadership you´ve been told to defend and spread as a starting point. Let´s see… Democracy, after the big Florida fraud of last election? Economy, after Enron, Worldcom, dumping strategies, free trade for other countries but protective in the inside? Freedom(!!!!), after the countless invasions, interferences, dummy governments put by yours, CIA ops, financing terrorists, the only country that has released a nuke against civilians!!! (and twice!!!), the only country that attack itself to get oil, a Patriot Act, and civil rights broken just spreading lies and fear, and everybody buying it? Come on, guys, you can do better, I am sure. You are the most armed country ever in history and yet no one lives without fear…big contradiction. You have the most advanced media and sources of information yet everybody seem to be misinformed or plainly idiot. And please…a poor kid from Chino is not a hero just for being in the army, holding a rifle, terrified, and popping shots at little kids. Heros are single moms, teachers, kids in Taiwan bleeding their fingers to make a USA T-shirt, vietnamese fighting a invading army under really cool Napalm clouds (thank you for that Dow Chemical), Centroamerican fighters against Contras, activists like Cindy Sheehan, progressive thinkers as some of you…but there is nothing heroic to be in the most sophisticated war machine ever and brag about how tough things are in battle. Ask an african kid, a tortured Nicaraguan activist, the hundreds of thousand that have lost relatives because of you, and your interests. But, hey, if Henry Kissinger is a Nobel Laureate for Peace, anything is possible.
May 28th, 2006 at 4:35 pmNice site here. Interesting people. Good luck.
A REAL hero Juan is one that fights WHOMEVER for their rights and freedoms, to protect our land from foreign invaders and to do so AT ANY COST. I have been visiting this site for over a year and have seen the same crybaby shit from the same people that a constantly pointing their fingers at people for their shortcomings.
So all you TP groupies – grab a kleenex and dry your tears. Go to Target and buy yourselves a set of balls. They’re running a sale this weekend.
May 28th, 2006 at 4:46 pmDecades of excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe. So long as the Middle East remains a place where freedom does not flourish, it will remain a place where terrorists foment resentment and threaten American security. So we are pursuing a forward strategy of freedom in the Middle East.
Thoughts:
(1) Remember, this includes the 12 year rein of Reagan/Bush I and Bush I/Mr. Potatoe Head.
(2) Freedom flourished in America, yet we got the Oklahoma City bombing by a home-grown terrorist, and we got 9/11. Why? Because as Bush says, “Terrorists hate us for our freedoms.”
(3) PNAC and 9/11 notwithstanding, I wonder what Bush II’s plan was to spread freedom to an area of the planet that was the victim of “Decades of excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom”? Years of diplomacy? This from a presidential candidate who poo-pooed the idea of the U.S. being policemen of the world as well as nation-builders.
May 28th, 2006 at 5:04 pmIs Pig Face squeeling on Cheney? This could be huge!!:
May 28th, 2006 at 5:16 pmTruthout has an interesting post today on it.
American Patriot (whatever that means to you): so for your definition of Real hero, iraqi insurgency are heros, right? I certainly would fight to death, and of course you would (because of the very big balls you must have) if an illegal, invading army strikes your country. So there happens to be some 180 reasons (landings, as you may say) to consider US a great freedom fighter? Jaja. They sold you the whole patriot kit (dont ask, dont think, just wave the flag) and you, as any other middle class fearing-of-everything “patriot”, bought it all. Patriotism was made by governments to drive ignorant, raging masses of people to war to defend anything but their real interests. Ask Lockheed Martin, Halliburton, and other war corporations about their profits…You are working for them, no matter how pussies we are according to you. Anyway, sleep tight, soldier, because blosheviks are everywhere!!! jeje
May 28th, 2006 at 5:19 pmaaawww – sssnaaap!
May 28th, 2006 at 5:23 pmthanks juan!
#36. You got it right naive “American Patriot”. The brave Iraqi insurgents are fighting to protect their land from tyrannical and murderous American invaders, as do heroic Palestinians fight against the killer Israelis, as do the IRA against British hegemony. Last time I looked I didnt see anyone invading America except desperate immigrants but if they were “terroistss” I’m sure you’d be at the front of the line protecting your country with the brrve DUbya. (bring em on!)
May 28th, 2006 at 5:23 pmThis is what my link on 38 connects to:
May 28th, 2006 at 5:45 pm…Further – and again this is “What We Believe” – Rove may be turning state’s evidence. We suspect that the scope of Fitzgerald’s investigation may have broadened – clearly to Cheney – and according to one “off the record source” to individuals and events not directly related to the outing of CIA operative Valerie Plame. We believe that the indictment which does exist against Karl Rove is sealed. Finally, we believe that there is currently a great deal of activity in the Plame investigation.
I think it is more important than your little pissing match.
#19 – Powerful as usual, Mash, thanks. Also horrific…
May 28th, 2006 at 5:47 pmBush’s rank hypocrisy is sickening. What about freedom for the Suadis and Kuwaitis? Not so impotant to Bush as long as the money is flowing to the multinationals and the petrodollars are being recycled in the US.
May 28th, 2006 at 6:48 pmI guess I’m the only one who understands the American Patriot. (Can think for myself)
I believe he is stating that if you had any balls you would take your cause to the streets rather than sit on your asses and bitch all the time.
Lets face the facts: When Bubble boy is gone organizations like TP and MoveOn will no longer have a cause. If these organizations really wanted change they would use their databases to organize a massive protest similar to the ones the illegal immigrants sucessfully organized.
Since they (TP and MoveOn) are still sitting on the fence I think it is safe to say that they are in this for the donations.
I do have a tip for TP and MoveOn: You can stay in business if you model yourself similar to that of THE BETTER GOVERNMENT ASSOCIATION. No they are not huge and do not get the notoriety you do but they have been around for a long time. They investigate all politicians, not just Republicans.
Tell Ed Shultz too, I know he’s worried about being out of a job too.
May 28th, 2006 at 7:54 pm#42 Colorado Jyms, I read that article earlier today. I am convinced that Rove has been indicted. I am celebrating right now and will continue to do so until the entire Administration is dismantled.
Good luck getting anyone here to state their position on the matter though, they are so afraid that if TruthOut is wrong, it will reflect negatively on themselves.
I prefer to call them wimps.
May 28th, 2006 at 7:59 pmProbably, Stupid Republicans, some of us will just do nothing after Justice gets to everybody, Dignity is globalized, Labor rights are no longer stripped from workers, Hunger is the saddest legend ever, first world countries return everything they have taken from poor countries, Harvard´s dean is an afroamerican…do you see GWB in this ideal?
May 28th, 2006 at 8:10 pmJuan, Juan,JUAN – in ENGLISH por favor.
Either that or put down the tequilla for a minute bro. You’re not making much sense.
May 28th, 2006 at 8:48 pmYou know, there are other countries besides Mexico where people are named just like me. Just grab a map. There is a whole great wide world beyond your beautiful country. You are right, my english sucks. And is Tequila. About what i said, did that sound too bad for your ideas?
May 28th, 2006 at 9:49 pmDude, I couldn’t understand what you were trying to say.
By the way amigo, who said ANYTHING about Mexico?
Seriously, I HATE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES and I suggest THIS as a great way of protest.
CLICK HERE
May 28th, 2006 at 10:25 pmChuck Hagel should be the next President. He’s got the connection to reality and the international relations experience and sense that we need.
May 29th, 2006 at 12:33 amJerry Falwell should be the next president. He’s got charisma, style and grace.
May 29th, 2006 at 2:29 amDr.Buckworth-Surely you jest.
May 29th, 2006 at 2:40 amHere is food for thought on this Memorial Day…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tc5j-i2nMX4
May 29th, 2006 at 8:30 am#51 You implied it when (not so) indirectly, you made reference to the TequiLa beverage, who is an invention of Mexico, has the name of a Mexican City, and is made of a plant growing only in Central America (you know where Mexico is geographically speaking?). You also implied that Juan C was on booze, when you inferred that the misspelling in your language was due to extreme tequila consumption, my whisk-a-holic friend.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:25 am#51 BTW, funny way of protest, but I prefer a web in the Internet demonstrating the failures of the Republican GOP than putting little banners in sh*ts.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:27 amNir Rosen beats up Tim Russert’s delusion about Iraq with an ugly stick.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:26 am#59 – I NEVER poked funa Juan’s spelling. I seriously don’t know what he’s tring to communicate. By the my geographicaly retarded friend Mexico is only SMALL PART of central america, let alone the latino world.
Sorry that you are a racist. You sould think that in 2006 THAT would be a thing of the past.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:50 amCBS news cameraman, sound man killed in Iraq; correspondent Kimberly Dozier critically injured.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:28 amNo details available yet, but the constant rise of the deaths in Iraq certainly do indicate that the situation on the gorund is worsening.
Meanwhile, our petulant boy-king is pouting on a dais awaiting his turn to speak on Memorial Day about his war on “terrer.” Aren’t things going well there, Mr. Bushie?
What about the anti-American riots in Afghanistan?
Feel good about the hell you have wreaked around the world? You should choke on your words.
NOW the son of a bitch is claiming a war on terreirs? What a douche-nozzle!
Ooooppppseeeyy! Soory, it’s still early and I haven’t washed the eye snot out of my eyes yet. Sorry Marie.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:35 amMy bad – AP, I can’t spell the words in the way Bush mispronounces them!
May 29th, 2006 at 11:38 am#59 Nice insight, referring to your own faults. You’re the racist one here, not me. Mocking someone for his bad spelling saying that he is on tequila, well, it’s not very fair, you know?
Spelling aside, what Juan C says is pretty understandable. Unless you write (and read) exactly as you talk while chewing tobacco, cowboy.
And saying that Mexico is a small part of Center America is, at least, inaccurate. Its surface is bigger than the other Central America countries added. And is one of the biggest latino countries. The third, in fact, just after Brazil (latino but not spanish), and Argentina. It’s size is about 3 times Texas and has 100+ milion inhabitats, so 1/3 of USA’s population. So it doesn’t look much like a tiny country to me.
So, set straight your facts, pal, before posting racist comments and later trying to disguise to written evidence.
May 29th, 2006 at 12:48 pmOne down, a Senate majority to go. This talk means nothing if it does not generate a positive change.
May 29th, 2006 at 1:29 pmHagel,
Elected by Electronic Voting fraud.
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/bbv_chapter-3.pdf
May 29th, 2006 at 2:38 pmLike nearly all of US Congress, Chuck Hagel is an out-and-out war criminal under US Law pertaining to the Geneva Conventions. That is all anyone needs to know here.
May 29th, 2006 at 3:14 pmAs an American, I can state that Juan C. has got it 100% correct.
Note how his detractors fail to even notice that Juan C. is not an American. They say “stop complaining” yet Juan C. is not complaining, but rather, just stating what is self-evident from a very confident point of view.
It’s nearly all over for the US war pig corporations. I sincerely hope to be one of the official US executioners when Bushco et al are finally brought to the gallows.
All warpig corporations must become extinct.
May 29th, 2006 at 3:30 pmBefore the election of 2004, TvNewsLIES.org published an editorial titled: WHAT IF KERRY LOSES? I doubt the editor is a psychic or deals in the occult. But he knew, as most of us on this side of the fight knew…..everything would continue to go downhill.
Here’s an excerpt:
The unthinkable outcome is that John Kerry loses this election and George Bush is given four more years in the White House. And that means the nation will be no more. People around the world who only hate our government will hate us all. The Neocons who suckered us into war will find new battlefields to conquer. The right wing zealots who are the sole heirs to Truth will determine our domestic laws and the next nominees to the Supreme Court. Corporate America will continue to rape the land and destroy the air and the waters. We’ll have no affordable health care or medications, and the gap between the haves and have nots will grow wider and wider and wider. And I really don’t want to see that happen, and I really don’t want to be here if it does.
No surprises… just the ugly reality. If you want the entire editorial:
http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/what_if_kerry_loses_.html
May 29th, 2006 at 3:47 pmHey Tom, what EXACTLY are you doing to see this happen?
ANYTHING?
Anything AT ALL?
I didn’t think so.
May 29th, 2006 at 3:59 pmDoes anyone believe a word eminating from Chuck “Rigged Diebold Voting Machines” Hagel? This CFR-Bilderberger owned clod is just another useful idiot for the New World Order. Is Hagel a drunk? Dude always looks like he’s loaded or just woke up from a bender. Anyway, Hagel is just another traitor and threat to the nation. Don’t ever trust this crum.
May 29th, 2006 at 4:00 pmThe known facts are that, in the 1990s, Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop more of them. The UN call for him to stop the programs and destroy the weapons was to be enforced by inspections, but he threw the inspectors out. By 2003, there was no way for the new inspectors to determine whether or not Saddam was in compliance. No records existed of the destruction of the weapons known, on the basis of Saddam’s own earlier statements to UN officials, to have existed. No documentation existed to show what had become of the facilities, materials, and organizations involved in the WMD development programs known, once again on the basis of Saddam’s own admissions, to have existed. The fact that Saddam was probably being conned by his own people is irrelevant.
But, leaving aside completely the issue of WMD, Saddam’s régime was a blatant, open and public supporter of international terrorism. For the world to allow this thug and his henchmen to thumb their noses at the whole world, and continue to supply arms, money, training and sanctuary to Hamas and its fellow travellers was intolerable. It was essential to send a clear message, to every government who might be tempted to use terrorism as a tool of foreign policy, that the world would no longer sit idly by and let this happen.
As a result, Erupoean terrorist groups like the IRA, the ETA, and the Corsican separatists have been largely defanged, deprived of money, weapons, and popular support. Suicide attacks on Israeli civilians have dwindled to a tiny percentage of what they used to be. Governments of countries like Pakistan, Indonesia, Libya, Columbia, have all cracked down on terrorist activities, rather than risk being the next to suffer the wrath of American outrage.
Pragmatically, this administration has achieved a watershed in the elimination of terrorism as a tool for change. The war is not yet over, and it probably never will be, but at least the problem has suddenly been cut down to manageable proportions.
May 29th, 2006 at 4:02 pmThat´s pretty much true, Peter. But, what troubles me most is the way you begin the story from 1990 and dont ask the hard questions. Who gave chemical weapons to Saddam to slaughter Kurds, Iranians and oppositors? US. Who trained Taliban´s? (Remember Rambo III? Those were freedom fighters = talibans) US. Who trained Bin Laden or teach how to fly to the 9/11 terrorists? US did. Terrorism is a consecuence of the disastrous, evil, profit-above-all US foreign agenda.
May 29th, 2006 at 4:13 pmThank you, Tom. I am from Argentina, living in Mexico. I am an American, too. But, lets get back to important issues, please…
May 29th, 2006 at 4:16 pmwhy is it that only hagel can recognize this,are the rest of the senate blind or do they follow like the german people followed hitler.today 2 journalists were killed,its hard to have empathy for a profession that could have prevented this mess,it seems what go`s around comes around.george washington was right avoid foreign entaglements.the u.s. has not fought in a war for liberty and freedom since ww2.cpousnret.
May 29th, 2006 at 4:19 pm“Once stable Arab countries are slowly polarizing and fragmenting into smaller units of ethnic, religious and tribal identities….”
Damn! This is the same effect Bush’s policies are having here in America. Those who were once friends and neighbors no longer acknowledge each other with so much as a hello or a friendly wave to each other.
May 29th, 2006 at 5:17 pmChuck has half a brain! He needs to put his heart where his brains are! AND VOTE LIKE HE TALKS! IT IS ALL FOR NOTHING IF HE KEEPS VOTING FOR MORE $$ FOR IRAQ OR ANY OTHER WARS! CHUCK, PUT YOUR DAMN VOTES WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! STOP VOTING FOR MONEY FOR WARS,PERIOD AND INTRODUCE LEGISATION IN SENATE TO BRING OUR TROOPS HOME AND NOW! How did you vote on Hayden? If you voted for him, your NOT ANY GOOD,period!
May 29th, 2006 at 5:27 pmReg, I hate to bust your bubble but if we would have elected Kerry instead, NOT MUCH WOULD HAVE CHANGED! Yes, us peons might have gotten a bone or two more but basically things would be about the SAME! That is what you people AREN’T AND DON’T UNDERSTAND! BUSH AND KERRY WERE IN BED TOGETHER AND KERRY WOULD NOT HAVE PULLED OUR TROOPS OUT EITHER! THEY ARE ALL IN NEW WORLD ORDER AND BILDERBERG GROUP TOO. ALOT OF THEM! Yes, we peons might have had it alittle better and yes I voted for Kerry but THE BASICS WOULD HAVE STAYED THE SAME! I.E. STILL IN IRAQ, STILL CORPORATIONS RUNNING AMERICA AND WORLD,ETC.!
May 29th, 2006 at 5:37 pmi think we’re all looking at this in a very narrow way. politically, it’s gone awful in iraq and the middle east in general, but on the other side of that coin is that terrorist organizations are preoccupied with the shooting gallery/wild-wild-west environment in that part of the world to strike anywhere else outside of the middle east. sure it’s shit for them (the people living there) but to the president’s credit, we are safer here (even if we shouldn’t travel outside the country with anything with a u.s. flag on it).
May 29th, 2006 at 5:44 pmThe Republicans have been attempting to distance between Bush & themselves by voting with Bush but critical of Bush in the media. They are true hypocrites. they want it both ways. They work with Bush to implement the Bush policy of total destruction of USA (financially, morally, legally & militarily) & on the other head they come up before Bush’s media darlings like Jim Lehrer, Gwen Ifill, Tim Russert, Fareed Zakaria, George Stefanopauolous, Wolf Blitzer and others and speak the truth. This way they hope they will be reelected by a majority of the small percentage of the American Electorate which take exercise their civic responibilities. Unless a majority of the American Electorate wakes up from their long hibernation there is no relief. Our roads, ports, education system, healt care system, social safety net, financial situation & militarily, etc are all at risk of collapsing with this government & especially the Republicans. Republicans should be voted out of office at all levels of government. They have proved to be a disaster at all times they have been in power. So ladies & gentlemen we should work hard to conince those who are eligible to vote and do not vote to vote. Only GOD can save us.
May 29th, 2006 at 5:51 pmHey #71
“Fee Fye Fo Fum, I smell the lies of a Repugnikun!!”
So let’s see the FACTS and PROOF of WMD during the Hussein regime…
C’mon, can’t fool me, you gotta be Tony Snow trying out his new material! C’mon! Come clean Tony! Peter my ass!
May 29th, 2006 at 5:53 pmA little Geography for the U/alls. Mexican’s are Americans . You see America is a Continent, whereas United States is a country. So your 300 million are all emigrants and the real Americans are the Mexicans
May 29th, 2006 at 7:45 pmWow, He looks like he has just fought the second vietnam war.
May 29th, 2006 at 8:15 pmIf Chuck and his senate collegues had ever listened the the lefticrats his message would mean something. Isn’t this a little to late? Hey, I guess I should try again to fathom his stuff. He’s surely (?) no john mccain, right?
The lefticrats just need to shout, aloud. Keep shouting! Someone hears.
#81. You know, the problem is that there is no word in English language to name US citizens as russians, iraqis, peruvians, etc. In Spanish, we use estadunidenses…
May 29th, 2006 at 10:42 pmGo figure, the most powerful country does not have a word for its citizens.
#85 Gee I guess the difference is THE LAWS OF THE LAND deem SOME people ILLEGAL. NOT following the laws of the land can and should result in arrest. So amigo, quit your double talk and bushy spin on it.
ILLEGAL IS ILLEGAL. I have to follow the laws. Why shouldn’t you or the people you suppot. Do you think that you’re BETTER than me? Than MY ancestors that had to come here through proper channels?
Sorry vato, it just doesn’t work that way north of the border.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:05 am5 years of fighting in the Middle East has done nothing to keep us safe either. Anyone willing to speak honestly on this subject has the same opinion, it is a disaster, and we are only making it worse. Just because BushCo refuses to accept the truth, does not change it. They only delay the inevitable outcome, due to their insatiable greed. This will not stop until they are gone.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:58 am#85 Keep citing yourself, that shows the deep of your knowledge, Dix. BTW, you know all your ancestors? How do you know that all of them are legal? How do you know that the ancestors of many mexicans weren’t in America or even in the modern USA homeland far before you?
May 30th, 2006 at 8:26 amHow do you know that the ancestors of many mexicans weren’t in America or even in the modern USA homeland far before you?
Comment by Evil Spaniard — May 30, 2006 @ 8:26 am
I’d call Columbus and his posse ‘illegals’. They came to an already inhabited country, annhilated a significant portion of the locals, and then sent the remaining few (people and bison, by the way), to subsist on some desolate, bearly inhabitable no-mans-land in remote areas of Utah, Idaho, New Mexico, Arizona, etc. And even today – these people are still being hassled for their land when they were here first.
I think it was Socrates who said “I am not an Athenian, or a Greek – but a citizen of this world.” There’s a reason he is still considered to be a wise man…
May 30th, 2006 at 8:49 am#90 – What difference does that retarded statement make? It doesn’t matter! We have laws. Your “posse” is breaking them. They need to be deported. They need to be jailed. But wait…..I have a much better idea.
THE MILITARY! Yeah, let them show just how much they want to be Americans and the love for the country they’re ILLEGALLY in by FORCING THEM to join the military. Could THIS be bushy’s plan? They did it in WWII. Could THIS be a ploy to sucker you ILLEGALS into COMBAT?
May 30th, 2006 at 10:54 amCould THIS be a ploy to sucker you ILLEGALS into COMBAT?
Comment by American Patriot — May 30, 2006 @ 10:54 am
Who are you yelling at? Evil Spaniard lives in… shock… Spain where he was born. I live in America where I was born. My German, Irish and Italian relatives all came here legally in the 1900’s. Sounds like Juan lives in Mexico legally. No illegal anyone in here… except maybe you?
Funny that those who don’t speak English as a native language are more coherent than someone who does. Did you sleep through all of high school – or just the English classes?
May 30th, 2006 at 11:23 am#89 Hey, now you cite posts in the future! Wow, how prescient!
And forcing the people to join the military to become citizens… well if there is a sick policy in the world is that. And I say with the full knowledge that your country did it in the past, and not only in the WWII, but to the Irish people arriving at Ellis Island, shipping them immediately to the front in the Civil War.
In the other hand. Bush wants the military reinforcing the Mexico border… so may be you will be crying tomorrow about mexicans in the military letting his relatives pass the frontier freely?
Unbelievable, Juan C is from Argentina, as I think. Off-Topic: surely you will love the weather here now. We have already a lot sun to roast ourselves in the beach and wear short-sleeved shirts!
May 30th, 2006 at 12:03 pmWhat does this say about the lack of respect the President shows toward our future military leaders that he is willing to talk utter nonsense right to their faces?
Comment by Chris Marshall #24
Chris,
It says this:
“You dumb sh*ts were stupid enough to vote for me, knowing that I was a deserter and a coward. I lied to you to send you into war to BOLDLY defend liberty (NOT!) that I wasn’t willing to defend when I had the chance to do so. Now, you even dumber sh*ts have invited me to come and dishonor your dais with my lies and pomposity, and you even applaud it.
Only in America, land of the sheep and home of the crazed.”
May 30th, 2006 at 12:21 pmsure it’s shit for them (the people living there) but to the president’s credit, we are safer here (even if we shouldn’t travel outside the country with anything with a u.s. flag on it).
Comment by matt #78
matt-bushiva’s- dog,
Stupid basta*d look outside your window, go to your local grocery store, hospital/clinic, mall, church/synogogue, amusement park, zoo, museum, nursery, elementary,middle, or high school…
…tell us- oh shit-for-brains one- exactly where in or around any of these places…
…security is so tight that a terrorist truck, car or human bomber COULDN’T detonate?
May 30th, 2006 at 12:31 pm#88 American Patriot: I get your point, I really do. But, it is very sad to talk about law and to defend a territory from “aliens” (which the only “threat” they pose to you is to take low-salary jobs) when white protestants from England killed an entire race. Let´s have some memory.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:47 pmLet´s have some memory.
Comment by Juan C — May 30, 2006 @ 12:47 pm
In neo-cons it only lasts through one quarter of a business cycle…
Every American high school student should read ‘A People’s History of the United States’ by Howard Zinn. To get ore than just the rich people’s version of the events.
May 30th, 2006 at 1:10 pmOF course things are much worse in the world now, and I’m sure it’s all Clinton’s fault, but I have been left with one nagging question.
May 30th, 2006 at 1:26 pmWhere is Osama Bin Laden?
Caption contest:
“Chucky wanna lay?”
May 30th, 2006 at 1:44 pmWhere is Osama Bin Laden?
Comment by Solitaire — May 30, 2006 @ 1:26 pm
Perhaps that should be our response to all of their ad hominem attacks and smear campaigns? Would be effective :)
May 30th, 2006 at 2:07 pmOf course things are worst off in Iraqi now than they were 3 years ago. It’s about time a Republican admitted the truth about this war. I know lots of Democrats wouldn’t vote for Senator Hagel, but I would because he tells it like it is. People called Sen. McCain the straight talk express, but he had proven to be a flip flopper because he wants to be President. What McCain didn’t realize was that he was in the middle where most American are on the War.
Hurray for Sen. Chucky Hagel, may he continue to tell the truth to the American people. I love this guy! Good Job Chuck
May 30th, 2006 at 3:23 pmOf course things are worst off in Iraqi now than they were 3 years ago. It’s about time a Republican admitted the truth about this war. I know lots of Democrats wouldn’t vote for Senator Hagel, but I would because he tells it like it is. People called Sen. McCain the straight talk express, but he had proven to be a flip flopper because he wants to be President. What McCain didn’t realize was that he was in the middle where most American are on the War.
Hurray for Sen. Chucky Hagel, may he continue to tell the truth to the American people. I love this guy! Good Job Chuck
Koolhandluke
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May 30th, 2006 at 4:24 pm#93 are you actually hearing someone yelling? Dude increase the meds. You’re acting a bit whack.
May 30th, 2006 at 4:41 pm#94 I wasn’t aware that ellis island existed during the civil war.
May 30th, 2006 at 4:45 pmFROM WILKEPEDIA:
The federal immigration station opened on January 1, 1892 and was closed in November 1954 but not before processing more than 12 million immigrants. Previously immigrants were processed at Castle Clinton. Only about 2 percent were denied admission to the U.S. and sent back to their countries of origin for reasons such as chronic disease, criminal background, or insanity [1]. Immigrants were examined by both doctors and questioned by government officials. Many who were allowed entry settled in New York and northern New Jersey for at least their first few years in America. During this time period, Angel Island ( between Alcatraz and the Pacific Ocean), California in San Francisco Bay served a similar purpose on the West Coast, processing mostly Chinese immigrants.
Ellis Island was the first stop for most immigrants from Europe. There, they were processed before they could enter the United States. First, they had to pass a physical examination. Those with serious health problems or diseases were sent home or were held in the island’s hospital facilities for long periods of time. Next, they were asked a series of questions, including name, occupation, work experience, and the amount of money they carried with them. Generally, those immigrants who were approved spent from hours up to a day at Ellis Island. However, more than three thousand would-be immigrants died on Ellis Island while being held in the hospital facilities. Some unskilled workers and infirm migrants were rejected outright because they were considered “likely to become a public charge.”
The American Civil War (1861–1865) was a bitter sectional conflict that began after southern states of the United States declared their secession from the Union and formed the Confederate States of America. The United States did not recognize any right of secession, and fighting began after the Confederacy used force to seize U.S. federal property within its boundaries.
So #94 you AGAIN proved yourself to be a dumbass.
May 30th, 2006 at 4:52 pm#93 Increase the meds? a bit whack? Can we begin to discuss like people? Come on, that is boring. With all the knowledge you seem to have, at least from sources in the internet, (what did you do before it was released?) you can come up with something better.
About the yelling…this kind of attitude like yours, which is of complete irresponsibility and irrespectful towards different races, is what gives birth to revolutions. Dont worry, maybe not too soon, but when immigrants march on streets, conservative people gets very scared and pulls the leash a little more on civil rights. Some day the big, ugly dog is going to bite back. Then you will hear the yelling.
May 30th, 2006 at 5:07 pmare you actually hearing someone yelling? Dude increase the meds. You’re acting a bit whack.
Comment by American Patriot — May 30, 2006 @ 4:41
No. Of course not. But you can imply tone and you’re is quite loud.
I’m not a dude. Am a woman.
I don’t need meds. I’m sane. But, you know, ad hominem attacks are all you seem to have. That means you can’t debate me on the issues. Yeah well, I didn’t think so. You’re not very bright.
May 30th, 2006 at 5:32 pmI salute 93 and 94 comments.
May 30th, 2006 at 5:35 pmHoward Zinn’s works are not on West Point’s required reading in history classes, and it’s a shame.
The history of the Cold War, as presented by Bush ,
is pure disinformation.
According to Gore Vidal, Truman and Churchhill are the real creator of the Stalin’s scare toward the West, known as the Cold War.
Stalin, reacted in Berlin, to the rearming of Germany in/about 1948, decided by the US/UK/France, in breach of all treaties with the Soviet Union.
Privet
I wasn’t aware that ellis island existed during the civil war.
Comment by American Patriot — May 30, 2006 @ 4:45 pm
No one said it did… You sure YOU aren’t hearing voices?
May 30th, 2006 at 5:35 pmComment by Krapotkin — May 30, 2006 @ 5:35 pm
That book blew my mind. I stood in the bookstore, read the first page and thought “Holy shit, I’ve been in the dark”.
I wish we could get it into the hands of every American. But, I know, the Nazi’s running the government would NEVER allow that… especially at West Point! :)
Would be nice to have a world history version too. I’ve read a couple of Gore Vidal’s works – sounds like I should read more. Thanks for the tip, and teh clarity!
May 30th, 2006 at 5:41 pmunbelievable I’ll debate you anytime you grow some balls. You don’t have the intelligence to wipe your own ass. ANYTIME. ANYPLACE.
May 30th, 2006 at 7:03 pmunbelievable I’ll debate you anytime you grow some balls. You don’t have the intelligence to wipe your own ass. ANYTIME. ANYPLACE.
Comment by American Patriot — May 30, 2006 @ 7:03 pm
I don’t need ‘balls’ to debate you. In case you also slept through high school Biology – that is NOT where intellect originates.
Besides, you have had anytime and anyplace – today – here and instead of debating, you’ve made threats and ad hominem attacks. If you were serious about anytime anyplace, you would have already put your mouth where your mouth is and we’d be having a debate. But we’re not. So either put up or shut up. I’m guessing you’ll just post more insults and zero facts…
May 30th, 2006 at 7:43 pm#104 Call the custom facilities Ellis Island or Castle Clinton, but the fact being discussed is that the mandatory draft fell unfairly in poor irish migrants:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/draftriots.htm
May 31st, 2006 at 7:49 amTo all those discussing the United States of Mexico (yes, the full name of that country), please note:
The United States of Mexico are in North America — Not Central America.
Please get your facts straight before you argue. It provides much stronger support to your position.
May 31st, 2006 at 1:07 pm#113 Yes, I know the full name of Mexico from the http:// http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/mx.html (CIA Factbook). But it’s perfectly correct to call it simply México, for short.
And if we check the Wikipedia, yes, in the entry corresponding to http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico (México), you’ll find nearly the same description that you pasted me, stating that is in North America. But, if you don’t stop there, and check for http ://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America )Central America), you’ll find the following excerpt:
Physiographically, Central America is a narrow isthmus of southern North America extending from the Isthmus of Tehuantepec in Mexico southeastward to the Isthmus of Panama where it connects to the Colombian Pacific Lowlands in northwestern South America.
So, I guess it’s correcta also say that México is in Central America, at least partially, or Physiographically. No doubt that socially and politically can be said that it’s America, but saying that it’s in Central America too isn’t so incorrect.
You see? Now you’re more Geographically Aware NorthAmerican.
May 31st, 2006 at 2:21 pmI just love all of you who think that less than half the story represents the whole. This has been one of the most amusing few minutes I have ever spent on the net. All you individuals who don’t live in America but think you have America all figured out-come live here awhile and sample what ultimate freedom truly is. Of course there’s greed and corruption, like everywhere else. But nowhere else can one so easily decide on a course of action and have the potential of actually realizing their goals like you can in this country. So get off the “evil this” and the “evil that” routine. Save it for those places that keep their citizens heads down.
You’ve been ushered along by either the liberal press or the conservative viewpoint and for some reason or another simply refuse to acknowledge or perhaps understand there are always three or four sides to every story. Once you understand this the vindictive side tempers a bit and you realize that those who make comments on the unknown are fools who speak to much.
I don’t claim to have the slightest idea about what’s truly going on at the highest levels of government, but I also know that none of you have the slightest idea either. So please, act like someone who understands their station on the information food chain (which, despite all the garbage you’ve read and researched amounts to exactly that, garbage) and admit your opinions are based on the fodder you’ve been fed.
Ok, I’m off to my original search that somehow led me astray to this lovely place.
Good luck everyone, and retract the fangs!
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