Fox Analyst: Global Warming is ‘Bogus…Dreamed Up by The Greens Because They Hate Industry’
Fox Analyst: Global Warming is ‘Bogus…Dreamed Up by The Greens Because They Hate Industry’
This weekend on the show “Cashin’ In,†Fox News analyst Jonathan Hoenig asserted that global warming was “bogus,†and “dreamed up†by environmentalists to stop economic development:
There’s no scientific proof that global warming even exists. To be honest, it’s a bogus consensus dreamed up by Greens because they hate industry. They hate advancement. They hate technology…Greens will lead us back to the stone ages.
It’s Hoenig that’s living in a dream land. Science Magazine analyzed 928 peer-reviewed scientific papers on global warming published between 1993 and 2003. Not a single one challenged the scientific consensus the earth’s temperature is rising due to human activity.
A big part of the solution to global warming, of course, is technology – more efficient cars, renewable energy, cleaner production methods. Don’t bother telling that to Hoenig, however. He’s too busy with his conspiracy theories.
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Fro.mr a man whose last name translates to honey, we are getting a lot of essig(vinegar).
May 29th, 2006 at 8:58 pmOh my Lord….you have to be kidding me. This is why I dont watch TV anymore.
May 29th, 2006 at 8:59 pmFox News hates Our Planet. “nuff said.
May 29th, 2006 at 8:59 pmCorrection:
May 29th, 2006 at 9:00 pmFrom a man whose last name translates to honey, we are getting a lot of essig(vinegar).
The man looks dumber than dirt
May 29th, 2006 at 9:03 pm#5 - s,
May 29th, 2006 at 9:07 pmDoes that make him septic waste?
NEWS FLASH!!! The Bush Administration announced today that the Earth is FLAT!!!
All those travelling by sea should take care not to fall of the edge!
This has been a Public Service Announcement brought to you by Fox & Friends.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:13 pm# 6 :) He’s a Fox anal-ist so I guess you have something there
May 29th, 2006 at 9:15 pmAnybody know is Hoenig came to the FOX studio fresh from the set of a Planet of the Apes shoot?
May 29th, 2006 at 9:15 pmIt is starting to get interesting…KKKarl was going to run on the war on terror…that is not going so good…so they cooked up the immigration debate..and that tore the repugs apart…so now they are going after Al Gore (who beat them once) and Global warming just before the start of the US hurricane season…(China has just experienced the worst May cyclone on record)…and they do not think that the voters will just drink the fox kool aid again? Maybe the 29% of the backwash but if I remember my math right 29% does not win too many elections…and in Duke Cunningham’s old district the repugs are actually talking about …LOSING….imagine that they lose a gerrymandered..”safe” repug district because of their corruption and lies..and they expect we will accept the lies about no global warming?
May 29th, 2006 at 9:17 pmThere was a random telephone poll taken a while back (PIPA) asking people who they depend on for news with questions to test their knowledge of facts concerning the Iraq War.
I won’t try to remember the exact percentages (they’re available at PIPA online), but Fox outdistanced all other networks by a large margin with listeners LEAST likely to have their facts correct. The source whose listeners understood the facts was NPR/PBS,
You know, if I was a Fox News listener who happened to also want the facts as best I know them, I’m sure as a responsible American citizen and patriot, I would look someplace else for my facts.
But, you know what the FOX faithful will be parroting tomorrow around the water cooler? Something along the lines of:
“There’s no scientific proof that global warming even exists. To be honest, it’s a bogus consensus dreamed up by Greens because they hate industry. They hate advancement. They hate technology…Greens will lead us back to the stone ages.”
Sad, but true.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:24 pmAnother quip by Mr Hoenig;
Cavuto guest Hoenig: If Moussaoui is not executed, stock market will suffer
Thursday, April 13, 2006 4:41PM
http://mediamatters.org/ issues_topics/ people/ jonathanhoenig
Nice to see what he assesses for his stock picks….
May 29th, 2006 at 9:25 pmIt’s so insane that they’re trying to propagandize this topic. The research is pretty much unanimous! what the hell are they claiming to reference besides the bogus scientists who are funded by oil companies? this is the most transparent bullsh*t ever!
May 29th, 2006 at 9:35 pmWhat a Moron! Greens hate technology? Sure, that’s why we are so insistent on the use of solar and wind generated power. The greens hate advancement? Yeah, that’s why we’re using the Interent - because of a shortage of clay tablets. What an F-ing idiot.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:36 pm[…] Right-wingers must really be scared of Al Gore’s new global warming film, An Inconvient Truth, because FOX News is trotting out waves of people to trash Gore and global warming. This weekend, FOX News analyst Jonathan Hoenig made an appearance on Cashin’ In and said: There’s no scientific proof that global warming even exists. To be honest, it’s a bogus consensus dreamed up by Greens because they hate industry. They hate advancement. They hate technology… Greens will lead us back to the stone ages. (emphasis from Think Progress) […]
May 29th, 2006 at 9:44 pmThis guy is from capatalist pig.com. Tale out the capapalist, and you have a great picture of Hoenig.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:47 pmHas anyone seen this man’s grandmother? Because it sounds like he’d kill her to make a buck.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:48 pmTo call this guy an analyst is giving him too much credit. If you check his web site you will see his only credentials are that he hates all Dems, progressives and liberals, loves the ruling class (which he wrongly thinks he is part of) and manages about 6 portfolios, probably his family and their pets. He talks out of his butt nearly every time I see him on that Fox program.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:49 pmAnd the 2005 Hurricane season was just left wing propaganda
What would you bet that FOXNEWS.com turns over ip addresses and tracking cookies to the NSA?
May 29th, 2006 at 9:49 pmAnother NEWSFLASH!!!
The Administration has determined that the Sun in fact revolves around the Earth.
Another Public Service Announcement brought to you by Fox & Friends.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:52 pmFOX has got to stop calling itself ‘news’.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:55 pmIts been said that if you are going to say a lie, tell a big lie, and repeat it often. This “swiftboating” of the environment is a result of big energy afraid that any environmental controls will cut into their bottom line. Their proxies, the repubs and FOX are more than willing to parrot the party line.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:58 pmThe Administration has determined that the Sun in fact revolves around the Earth.
Comment by Mash — May 29, 2006 @ 9:52 pm
I wouldn’t at all be surprised… They have pseudo-scientists working hard on validating all the Biblical mythologies… No matter how much they have to lie to do it.
May 29th, 2006 at 9:59 pmWhy does that Hoenig guy look simian?!? Is it just me, or was he in 2001??
May 29th, 2006 at 10:02 pmEven if it were bogus which I dont’ believe wouldn’t you want cleaner healthier air to breathe??
May 29th, 2006 at 10:03 pmThis Jonathan Hoenig is the one who runs capitalistpig.org.
Ha-ha-ha. He’s an ENRON clone. Can’t wait to screw Grandma Milly for HIS chunk of the blood money.
Only one listing at Mediamatters: “Cavuto guest Hoenig: If Moussaoui is not executed, stock market will suffer” Thursday, April 13, 2006
May 29th, 2006 at 10:08 pmNEWSFLASH!!!
No need to worry about Global Warming. Halliburton has invented a new device to counter global warming! Get one while supplies last!
Another Public Service Announcement brought to you by Fox & Friends.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:09 pmI’ve seen that twerp a bunch of times on Fox News’ version of Wall Street Week (strangely enough, Wayne “Trapper John” Rogers is also a featured guest). Hoenig is always talking out of his ass in that way. If I had to guess, I’d say that his arrogance is probably boosted by copious cocaine use. Irresponsible to speculate? It would be irresponsible not to.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:14 pmHmmm. Let’s see. If global warming was dreamed up by environmentalists because they hate industry, then Toyota must hate industry the most. I have one of their best selling Prius’. I guess I hate indusry, too,.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:14 pmAmazing the intellectual dishonesty of these Fox guys.
But of course reality to them does not exist, it springs out of ideology.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:17 pmI sometimes get the sense that, somewhere in the Fox bunker, there is a subversive element who entertain themselves by finding wingnuts and moonbats who are willing to go on the air and mouth inanities with a sincerity that boggles the imagination…
May 29th, 2006 at 10:18 pmI love the caption under his ugly mug.
“Americas fallen heroes to carry on their fight”
The term “fallen heroes” means people who have died in battle. Are they really saying “we are going to continue our illegal war and use the dead as a reason”?
A$$holes.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:19 pmAnalyst? What did he analyze, the underside of his desk?
May 29th, 2006 at 10:19 pmDoes this guy has an electronic address or maybe the program? We all know he received a nice Dunkin Donuts disccount from his owners for this appereance in TV, but i would like him to read something, and I bet you all do. Please?
May 29th, 2006 at 10:25 pmThank god for global warming, or else we’d be living in the Ice Age!
HH
May 29th, 2006 at 10:26 pmMash, you are on fire today. Heh.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:29 pmWhat about the use of colors to describe enemies of the country: Blacks, for thieves and gang members, brownies-for latin immigrants, reds-for bolsheviks, communists and socialists, yellows-for chinese, japanese and orientals, and now greens-for environmentalists…wow, a high quality discussion and moral standards from company ass lickers.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:35 pmOnly the propagandists on Fox-TV would politicize environmental concerns.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:39 pmHoenig is a business analyst for Fox — Business has always opposed environmental concerns, because it costs them money to clean up their pollution, and to invest in R&D toward the goal of ending pollution.
zookeeper, that SurvivaBall thing is one of the funniest things I have seen in a while. These guys actually demoed that at a real conference pretending to be Halliburton. :)
May 29th, 2006 at 10:40 pmHe is just being contriversial so he can get attention and try to gain fame from that. Hey! Keep posting for him! People need to learn something about basic behavior modification, if you ignore it the behavior goes away. Stop reporting on idiots like this!!
May 29th, 2006 at 10:41 pmKay, how else am I going to get my daily funnies?
May 29th, 2006 at 10:43 pmFox News covers financial matters like they cover regular news.
It’s all made up b.s. designed to elicit an angry response from their bitter and moronic viewers.
I can’t believe serious investors even watch Fox’s financial news, except maybe for laughs.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:44 pmWhat an idiot. Pollution abatement / alternative-renewable energy could be growth industries in the US. If we had a government not in the back pocket of Big Oil we could decentralize our energy choices and create jobs at the same time. Good for national security and good for the domestic economy. All we need is an administration with vision for the future and not devoted to profits for Big Oil to see this happen.
Fox News ought to change their name to the Republican Big Oil news network. No wonder their viewers are so misinformed.
May 29th, 2006 at 10:54 pmDo these FOX news people really think that they can just choose to undo the findings of decades worth of research on climate change by actual scientists? These assholes really must think that the American people really are that damn stupid! Not even the 29% are that retarded!
May 29th, 2006 at 10:55 pmWhat with Iraq, Katrina, widespread Republican corruption and cronyism, skyrocketing gasoline prices with no relief or coherent energy plan in sight, massive deficits as far as the eye can see to fund tax cuts for the super-rich and, maybe most importantly, Osama, Zarqawi and their partners in crime in al Qaeda still running amok plotting against us despite our government desperately conducting rampant illegal warrantless spying and torture – your eyes are probably blurry by now – any Republican who still thinks Bush and the Republicans are doing a “heckuva job†is either lying or deluding him or herself.
Let’s face it, Bush and Republican leadership have “jumped the shark.â€
The only real Big White Elephant question left for Republicans is this: are Bush and his Republican buddies in Congress the worst in American history?
For those who would like some food for thought or still disagree with this premise, please read:
A comprehensive analysis by distinguished historian Sean Wilentz, in which he states that Bush & crew are “headed for colossal historical disgrace. . . . Many historians are now wondering whether Bush, in fact, will be remembered as the very worst president in all of American history . . . . George W. Bush is in serious contention for the title of worst ever. In early 2004, an informal survey of 415 historians conducted by the nonpartisan History News Network found that eighty-one percent considered the Bush administration a “failure.” . . . . Calamitous presidents, faced with enormous difficulties — Buchanan, Andrew Johnson, Hoover and now Bush — have divided the nation, governed erratically and left the nation worse off.†http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/9961300
Many conservatives agree.
Conservative Doug “Mac in the Morning†McIntyre in his recent “Apology from a Bush Voter†doesn’t bother to ask the question whether Bush & crew are the worst in history, but just gets right to it and explains at length how they are, in fact, the worst in history: http://www.kabc.com/ mcintyre/ listingsEntry.asp?ID=432586&PT=McIntyre+in+the+Morning
Joe Scarborough – appropriately disgusted with the Republicans’ massive and desperate illegal warrantless spying program — observes that America rightfully doesn’t trust Bush & crew anymore: http://movies.crooksandliars.com/ Scarborough-Country-BigBrother.mov
And for the more cerebral Republicans, even the normally dependable David Brooks threw up his hands and said on PBS recently that it would be good for America if the Democrats in midterm elections won one or both Houses of Congress. Brooks also writes, “For God’s sake, Republicans, show a little moral revulsion. Back in the dim recesses of my mind, I remember a party that thought of itself as a reform, or even a revolutionary, movement. That party used to be known as the Republican Party. I wonder if it still exists.” http://select.nytimes.com/ search/ restricted/ article?res=F20810F63A540C768CDDA80894DE404482
In addition to Mac in the Morning, Joe Scarborough and David Brooks, here are some more conservatives or ex-conservatives (those got so fed up with conservative shenanigans that they quit the party) that also know the Republicans have failed badly: Brent Scrowcroft, Jim Jeffords, David Brock, Bruce Bartlett, Tom Clancy, George Will, Andrew Sullivan, Arianna Huffington, Paul O’Neill, Tom Friedman, Richard Clarke, Rand Beers, Paul Pillar, Colin Powell, Larry Wilkerson, John DiIulio, Tony Snow (and somehow that was before he joined the White House), Arlen Specter, Alfonse D’Amato (calls Republicans “the gang that can’t shoot straight), Newt Gingrich (suggests that Democrats campaign by simply asking, “Had enough?â€), an unprecedented number of ex-Generals, and even Michael Brown (blaming White House for Katrina) and Jack Abramoff (turned State’s evidence).
So please, let us know if you think Bush and his Republicans buddies in Congress are the very worst in history, or just really really bad. (Or feel free to let us know if you are still dreaming the dream that Republicans are doing a heckuva job).
May 29th, 2006 at 11:00 pmSometimes, Fox News doesn’t get it right.
Two pictures of a glacier in the Alps that has melted during a 125 year period.
Global warming can’t be denied.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:04 pmFOX NEWS - When you absolutely positively have to change the publics mind for the benefit of big business, promote the Republicans, and protect the Bush administration overnight.
At what point is FOX NEWS held responsible for it’s dangerous and destructive lies and distortions?
May 29th, 2006 at 11:10 pmMeanwhile, the movie about global warming is #11 at the boxoffice despite being shown in only 4 theaters:
http://www.treehugger.com/ files/ 2006/ 05/ inconvenient_boxoffice.php
May 29th, 2006 at 11:14 pmWhy doesn’t the FCC fine FOX millions of dollars for polluting the air with lies? Surely, there must be a responsibility for a show listed as News to express truth on air. The FCC fined Janet 1/2 a mill for just one boob.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:20 pmDo you think this man gives a damn about global warming?
Why should he care about global warming when he can amass a fortune large enough to ensure that his bloodline will survive the effects of the changes in the environment?
May 29th, 2006 at 11:25 pmOk, I get that he has to carry on about the ‘imaginary crisis’, and the obligatory bad-mouthing of everyone who disagrees with his side’s opinions, but REALLY!!! We “hate” advancement and technology? Umm.. NO! That would be wrong. But par for the course with them. Anything that they believe is pasted on us, and ridiculed and marginalized, and is to be stopped at all costs. Where is Exxon-Mobile on research on renewable energy? Bio-Diesel? Solar Power? Wind Energy? I must say, I haven’t seen much of anything from them about it. Did i miss it, somehow? I do want to be fair to them. If they have something, i would be happy to read about it. Since they MUST be FOR advancement and technology, since we “hate” it, you know. And that guy’s face… like a dog, growling at you. Nice.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:26 pmI guess the talking point du jour for the Faux not news channel is
Greens and Hate. Funny that the Neo-Cons, and the Likud FauX Nutwork, want to take society back to the days of Wilson, yet wouldn’t that destroy the economy? But the War has put America, perhaps Trillions into Debt? Thats Good for the Economy?
Oy Yeh Right. Sorry. Forgot. They just say that to get the Fundies nose rings in place.
What’s wrong with my above statement?.That Debt is good?
May 29th, 2006 at 11:30 pmDebt is great for Investors and Bankers, they will bundle up all those mortgages, paper into bonds or equities, then resell them. SO Wars and Debt are Good and so are Pollution?
Why then if this is so, Lets not have smog pumps on our cars?
Or those Expensive Inspections?
Why we can heat the world even faster. But thats not good for Business is it?
Notice the other caption:
PRES CLINTON; GLOBAL
WARMING WORSE THAN TERROR
Here is the context:
“Climate change is more remote than terror but a more profound threat to the future of the children and the grandchildren and the great-grandchildren I hope all of you have.”
Clinton explained: “It’s the only thing we face today that has the power to remove the preconditions of civilized society.”
May 29th, 2006 at 11:38 pmI sometimes get the sense that, somewhere in the Fox bunker, there is a subversive element who entertain themselves by finding wingnuts and moonbats who are willing to go on the air and mouth inanities with a sincerity that boggles the imagination…
It’s obviously part of the initiation rites to get into the fox fraternity.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:43 pmRon, I cant see any Alpine glaciers. Did you post the wrong link?
May 29th, 2006 at 11:47 pmWritten By: Jonathan Hoenig
Published In: Heartlander
Publication Date: February 23, 2004
Publisher: Chicago Sun-Times
Heartland in Print
Chicago Sun-Times
February 23, 2004
Just a few years back, the stock market was soaring, jobs (with signing bonuses) were plentiful, and free market capitalism was riding a wave of popularity that hadn’t been seen since the Jazz Age.
With innovation and 401(k) plans booming, sustained prosperity for all Americans seemed just within our reach.
Yet when the bubble burst and crooked CEOs replaced hot IPOs in the business section, a palpable shift occurred.
Face it: Capitalism gets a bad rap these days. Executives are seen as greedy shysters who do anything to make a buck. Companies are perceived as amoral exploiters of the poor, and polluters of the environment.
_________
So Old Hoenig wants it both ways, Here he is saying that Crooked CEOs damaged the Economy, So Mr Hoenig is a great Big Liar, or He’s Telling the Truth. I will say that he’s not lying about the corrupt CEOS. Enron is what hurts the Economy. Oil Prices Hurt the Economy. Greed hurts the Economy, Corrupt Senators hurt the Economy.
Shut Hoenig, you have no credibility, thanks to your very own words.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:47 pmThink Tank Liars.
Check out his site: http://www.capitalistpig.com/
As far as I can tell, he’ll tell you how to trade using technical analysis for $200 an hour.
That sounds like a lot, but if he was such hot shit his time would be worth more trading!
He’s also an Objectivist. Enough said.
May 29th, 2006 at 11:56 pmWhy would anyone accept the scientific pronouncements of someone whose highest claim is as a floor trader? Do you get your surgical advice from him, too? “That left arm will betray you - cut it off.”
May 30th, 2006 at 12:02 amAre you sure that Hoenig isn’t German for Phoney? There are lot’s of experts and journalists around these days who are, you know. For instance, I read an article Saturday by Michele Malkin about a “phony” soldier story. [Don’t ask me why I read this spoiled brat’s rantings — she who never made a sacrifice for this country in her life.] Afterwards I thought: Pot? Kettle? Yes, indeed both black.
Look….If there is not a worldwide average temperature increase, what is happening to the glaciers such that Glacier Bay National Park in Alaska is now a park, whereas 100 years ago, it was an unihabitable glacier. You can discuss man-made versus natural cycle causes, but you cannot argue that the globe is not in a warming trend.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:15 amHoenig is another in a long line of corporate apologists that fight tooth and nail to protect the injustices leveled against the good citizens of this country by corporations. It is business that could care less if they destroy the planet in the name of profit. I heard this same jerk tell O’Reilly that gas was a “bargain” at 3.00/gal, and would be a bargain at $3.20/gal. Tell that to someone even making $30,000/yr, let alone minimum wage. These people think everyone is as uninformed as the conservative republican lock-step loyalists, who challenge nothing, and do not have the ability to make up their own mind, but would rather have it made up by blowhards like this guy…and Limbaugh, Hannity, Drudge, Matthews, Snow, Savage…need I keep going?
May 30th, 2006 at 12:26 amJonathan Hoenig is an Ayn Rand capitalist. He has no opinion that goes against her orthadox dogma.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:30 amJonathan Hoenig is an Ayn Rand disciple. He has no opinion that goes against her orthadox dogma.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:30 amJonathan Hoenig is an Ayn Rand disciple. He has no opinion that goes against her orthadox dogma.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:30 amWhat exactly is this Hoenig an expert on anyway. Besides lieing I mean. Every government on earth knows the climate is changing even if the try to deny that it’s a result of human activity.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:54 amFox & friends = sociopath support group.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:54 amMmmm… What credentials did this Hoenig guy present to verify himself as an expert on climatology? None? Really? Then why was he on a major (if bogus) news channel expounding with certainty on the topic? I disagree with Geoff. MORE than 29% are THAT STUPID. There are a lot of sheep now following the herd away from Bush and company just because the word is out that Bush is an idiot and a LOSER, and no one wants to be associated with a loser. These a–holes haven’t smartened up, and they won’t. They WILL be fooled again.
May 30th, 2006 at 1:06 amStop shooting at the messenger… Bring the facts that the Earth is warming..Then, tell us how much and how fast.. You are all in for a surprise!!!
May 30th, 2006 at 1:13 amWhen reality is too upsetting, turn to Fox “News!”
May 30th, 2006 at 1:27 amJeff Muller
May 30th, 2006 at 1:35 amI don’t know why you have to post it three times but Hoenig is definitely an Ayn Rand freak and proud of it. His slavish worship of the gang of sociopaths presently running the show is a direct reflection of Ms. Rand’s slavish worship of what she actually described at a speech in Boston as “America’s most persecuted minority: Big Business.” Stop paying attention to this bogus “analyst” and leave Fruitcakeville to the fruitcakes.
Oh, puh-leeeeeeeeeeeze! If there’s any group of people in this country who’ll end up taking us back to the Stone Age — or at least back to the pre-Industrial Age — it’s people like Hoenig who to all appearances believe that natural resources like petroleum, clean air, clean water, and arable land are in infinite supply and that we can do whatever we like to the environment with no thought whatsoever for the consequences. Cause and effect is a fundamental and inescapable principle of life on this planet — all actions have consequences, and these are not always immediately apparent to the eye.
May 30th, 2006 at 1:48 amI’m not from the US, so pardon me for wondering, how in the world can this even get on the air labelled as NEWS? Why doesn’t someone attack them for reporting lies, and using their “We can report anything as long as we put a question mark behind it. Watch us: Does Gore BLEEP sheep?” tactic.
I’d run them over with attack ads and use it as selling point.
This is something the republicans and Fox News _really_ don’t want you to see.
An Inconvenient Truth. Now in theatres.
–
They deny Global Warming exists. Why do they hate our children?
Oh, whatever..
May 30th, 2006 at 1:55 amClearly Hoenig is not a scuba diver or a even man who pays attention to the weather. Coral reefs everywhere are experiencing die off. There’s nothing more tragic than diving on a reef ten years earlier was ripe with color ato find it now a plain of dead, white stone. That’s real, Hoenig. Superstorms and hail the size of softballs is also real, Hoenig. Reality is this universe. Do you live in it? Then open your eyes.
The core lunacy of Hoenig’s unscientific assessment is that those in favor of doing something to halt global warming are anti-business. What we are is anti-business-as-usual. The United States has, over the last decades, relinquished its manufacturing capabilities and ingenuity to foreign nations, and even iwhen we do participate in some industry, in far too many that build the things Americans invented, the main body of profit heads offshore. In place of that lost industrial might and attendant wealth is an economy built around services and the shuffling of money, which the majority of Americans can only participate in as worker bees. We have built mega-industries that are mega-cowards, too fearful of genuine risk and shareholder wrath to bet on a future.
To attack global warming we demand new technologies. We demand that the United States take the lead in creating the technologies that will truly drive the global economy over this century. As an American, I would like to see the U.S. own that technology so that the body of enormous profit to be had stays at home. Instead, dunderheads like Hoenig would have us do nothing, a forfeit at the beginning of the race that will hand off all those future royalties, licenses and profits to foreign industries that have already caught on to the coming wave. By any other name, what Hoenig proposes is treason, because what he demands is an abdication of inevitable energy and technology ownership to foreign nations.
Bottom line is that clean and renewable energy is a fantastic goal even if there were no global warming issues. We secure our nation by not having to deal with oil producing dictatorships, which in turn gives us far wider leeway to effect diplomatic agreements and resolutions in that we will operate entirely from a stance of integrity instead of corporate investment. The cost of treating illness caused by pollution, currently billions per year, massivle diminish. Who wins? Insurance companies win. American based manufacturers win as they lciense their technologies to others. We win because we do not have to support creatinous governments merely because they satiate our greed for oil.
Most importantly, the planet wins.
May 30th, 2006 at 2:08 amBut Mr. Hoenig must be right, after all we are not following scientific theory any more. It got voted out in favor of Intelligent Design.
May 30th, 2006 at 2:29 ami’m not exactly sure of the support the GREENS have in america, but attacks of this sort are a sign of panic by the empire. keep up the good work GREENS, because the GREENS are the future.
May 30th, 2006 at 2:43 am[…] Think Progress has the details on this amazing sleight of mouth effort. Fox would be laughable if so many folks didn’t believe every word they spew. Fox Analyst: Global Warming is ‘Bogus…Dreamed Up by The Greens Because They Hate Industry’ […]
May 30th, 2006 at 3:49 amJonathan Hoenig is an Ayn Rand capitalist. He has no opinion that goes against her orthadox dogma.
fo grins;
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Fly in the Buttermilk
May 30th, 2006 at 4:18 amShew fly shew
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While Fox news is undoubtedly anything but fair and balanced and has a conservative slant (look at News Corp UK publications) I can’t help but think that they put kooks like this on the air just for the sensationalism. Ann Coulter and this guy say outrageous things that get people up in arms and which generates postings like this one which becomes ‘news’ itself etc. Ignore them, don’t watch Fox, they will go away if the ratings fall. The key word in News Corps name is corporation not news; they are there to make money and its all based on ratings.
May 30th, 2006 at 4:29 amIt’s right wingers who will propel us back to the Stone Age. Interesting that Hoenig said “agesâ€. Maybe he was conflating “Stone Age†and “Dark Agesâ€. We’re headed for some dark stone ages with the right-wing crazies in charge.
Carolyn Kay
May 30th, 2006 at 4:46 amMakeThemAccountable.com
the problem isn’t FOX News: it’s the minds of people who watch and believe it.
May 30th, 2006 at 4:53 amHoening and Coulter have to make a living and since they have NO OTHER SKILLS, they have fallen into lying for money. You know, like lawyers.
How can throw-backs like Hoening still exist?
May 30th, 2006 at 5:10 amRemember. Every single thing you see on Fox News is nothing more than 300 pounds of shit in a 30 pound bag.
May 30th, 2006 at 5:44 amI have no specific comment about Jonathan Hoenig or Fox News, but if you are interested in getting down to real facts (as opposed to “media facts”) about Global Warming, start with articles like this…
Climate of Fear
Global-warming alarmists intimidate dissenting scientists into silence
http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110008220
And then go read papers from Richard Lindzen, Professor of Atmospheric Science at MIT
May 30th, 2006 at 5:56 amhttp://www-eaps.mit.edu/faculty/lindzen.htm
Is this man part of the Billion doallar media payroll for the Bush administration? Sure seems it when he confuses Greens with the majority of world scientists. Hmmmm.
May 30th, 2006 at 6:00 amThe whole man-made global warming is as he says made -up……I have asked this for years and so far not a single expert has answered the question:
Please tell me experts in the last 30 years show me quantatively with actual measures (not hocus pocus computer models-I can make a model show anything I want) how much of temperture change in NATURAL and how much is from MAN. So far NOT A SINGLE expert has or can show this and why?….because they do not know or understand how or why the earth NATURALLY cycles from hot to cold. Trying to piggy back MAN MADE on top of an unknown equals the junk science you goofs believe as religion..
May 30th, 2006 at 6:20 amWhat a douche.
May 30th, 2006 at 6:42 amEven scientist that take issue with global warming being man-made will not deny global warming exists, as we watch the tip of the melting iceberg turn into a sight worthy of Bush economics - - trickle down.
The only debate that an unprejudiced scientists should be exploring is, if anything, what can mankind do to stop it.
Any other position reflects intensely on the relentless need for Republicans to keep the cash flowing in from those recipients of the big-tax-break.
May 30th, 2006 at 6:50 amMan, that Hoenig has a set of ears on him, no? I bet he gets some air on a March morning on Michigan Ave.
May 30th, 2006 at 7:02 amIt’s bogus to say that Greens hate technology and hate advancement. In order to replace fossil fuels as our main source of energy will reguire either advancing our current technology, solar, wind, bio-diesel or developing new technology. It is Jonathan Hoening that is against industry and is stuck in the dark ages.
May 30th, 2006 at 7:04 am[…] I suppose the folks at Fox News will make the argument that because Alaska is already half-way ruined, we may as well drill the whole state up. […]
May 30th, 2006 at 7:06 amHold me mommy! I’m really afraid!!!
May 30th, 2006 at 7:22 am[…] There’s no scientific proof that global warming even exists. To be honest, it’s a bogus consensus dreamed up by Greens because they hate industry. They hate advancement. They hate technology…Greens will lead us back to the stone ages. Vir […]
May 30th, 2006 at 7:24 amJust who is this ass? What is his background? How does he KNOW the things he spouts so confidently? Why is a network that calls itself news allowed to broadcast something that is clearly propaganda, and yet still call itself news? This is just disgraceful frickin bullshit, and Im so tired of it. Someone needs to just reach out and bitch slap idiots like this, …
Comment by Geoff — May 30, 2006 @ 12:30 am
You are correct Geoff CBS should be shut down and Dan Rather, Michael Moore and the leader of the Demoncraps Howard Dean imprisonned.
May 30th, 2006 at 7:34 amAnd fox gives him the air time.
R2K
May 30th, 2006 at 7:46 amThe troll spews: “You are correct Geoff CBS should be shut down and Dan Rather, Michael Moore and the leader of the Demoncraps Howard Dean imprisonned.”
Congressman Maurice Hinchey (D-NY) “I have my own beliefs about how that happened: it originated with Karl Rove, in my belief, in the White House. They set that up with those false papers. Why did they do it? They knew that Bush was a draft dodger.”
May 30th, 2006 at 7:55 amFox Newsfotainment should be on the Sci-Fi channel.
May 30th, 2006 at 8:01 amMethinks thou dost protest too much. For sound, logical analysis of the global warming crisis that lawyers, environmentalists, government and even corporations have manufactured, please read “State of Fear” by Michael Crichton. Remember, trust only the facts, and to do that you need all the facts, not just the propagandized or distorted ones. This column proves that hysteria fuels extremism on both sides.
May 30th, 2006 at 8:06 amIt appears that the members of the republican and their talking heads are suffering from delusional thinking,, is that a membership requirement?
May 30th, 2006 at 8:21 am[…] There’s a debate over the Puddle about global warming, in my opinion largely thanks to big oil corporations. There are people who try to deflect the criticism by asserting that “they hate the industry”. Well, I think nothing can be farther from the truth. The industry has brought us many good things (well, some might prove fatal), and now, the technology has advanced to the point where industry can be clean and relatively safe for most. However this means they need to invest more in “defences” and development, which means less money for rich old farts. It’s all about the money, really. […]
May 30th, 2006 at 8:23 am#99 Donn-
You have to be joking. Please tel us why we should trust a writer of science fiction (whose principal goal is to…wait for it…sell lots and lots of books!) over scientists in the climate community?!?!?
The scientists over at RealClimate.org have countered most of the false assertions/pretensions in Crighton’s book. Check it out.
May 30th, 2006 at 8:30 amI’m with #14 on this one. The idea that those who accept climate change are anti-technology is just plain idiotic. It’s pretty clear that there are HUGE new business opportunities waiting for alternate clean fuel and energy sources using cutting-edge science and technology. The market is wide open and there are BILLIONS to be made by those with the imagination and foresight to sieze the moment.
Hoenig is just a shill for entrenched fossil fuel interests. If anyone is anti-technology it’s this guy, since the people he represents are doing nothing technologically unique.
Heck of a job you’re doing there, Oily!
May 30th, 2006 at 8:37 amOk the Facts:
On one side we have people like RICHARD LINDZEN the author of that WSJ article posted above. In fact Lindzen got payed by “oil and coal interests $2,500 a day for his consulting services; [and] his 1991 trip to testify before a Senate committee was paid for by Western Fuels AND a speech he wrote, entitled ‘Global Warming: the Origin and Nature of Alleged Scientific Consensus,’ was underwritten by OPEC.”
Sound familar? Corporate Conservative Rebpulicians steeped in a culture of corruption.
On the other side we have 928 peer reviewed articles simply stating that humans are warming the planet, over and above it’s natural cycles. Kool-Aid drinkeers should understand that “Peer review” is process which validates science research by removing any personal bias and identifies any flaws that may be present in the research.
May 30th, 2006 at 8:38 amNewsFlash Fox announces Galileo wrong! Theory of Gravity a hoax to keep peoples feet on the ground! News at 11!! We’re serious!!!
May 30th, 2006 at 8:44 amThis is a kid who once held up a copy of Ayn Rand’s The Fountainhead to help win an argument. Who gives a shit what this half-witted little prick has to say?
May 30th, 2006 at 8:49 amDoesn’t the guy in the picture looks as if has a bad case of constipation?
May 30th, 2006 at 8:57 amOh what lies they will tell and evils they embrace, for profit.
May 30th, 2006 at 9:07 ambeauty fades but stupid is forever. this man is just that - unattractive and stupid.
May 30th, 2006 at 9:32 amThere’s also no scientific evidence that God exists, so I guess this guy is equally skeptical of Christianity.
And it’s usually conservatives who are constantly griping about modernity, not environmentalists.
May 30th, 2006 at 9:38 amThis guy runs a hedge fund. His web site is http://www.capitalistpig.com. At least he has the pig part correct. Not a capitalist, however, given that he fails to see the economic opportunity in transitioning out of a fossil fuel based economy.
May 30th, 2006 at 9:38 amcreepy - he’s working on that cheneyesque jaw grinding - i see a bright future for him in the Republican Party :)
May 30th, 2006 at 9:49 amapparently, the man hasn’t got the intellect of an amoeba - nor the honesty.
May 30th, 2006 at 10:06 amConsidering the face on this guy, you’d think he’d be happy to get back to the stone age - where he came from.
Seriously, Greens are like at what? 0.1 percent support in America?
Give it up. That should be labeled a crime against humanity. When the day of reckoning comes, all these scums and liars need to be strung up and confronted head on with their lies - right next to their corporate chieftains pulling the strings.
The issue is that Corporate World is losing the old centralized nature of business where they hold control of the main spigots. Decentralization is taking hold and changing everything and they are scared. It started with information, music distribution, video and is expanding to other fields such as energy. When everyone generates their own energy from free renewable sources, they will control nothing.
That is what they are truly worried about. All these attempts are meant to keep everything as it is, which is impossible.
May 30th, 2006 at 10:10 am111,
If you’ve seen the Corpse Bride, you remember the part where the bride’s (the live one) father has to fake a smile when meeting the groom’s parents and it takes all his effort to turn his natural scowl into a sideways, crooked, half smile. When I saw that and all those bottom teeth showing, I thought CHENEY!!!
May 30th, 2006 at 10:13 amAnybody in the Chicago “investment community” will tell you that Jonathon Hoenig is an obnoxious self-promoting moronic little twit. He calls himself the “Capitalist Pig” and wrote a simplistic pop investment book called “Greed is Good”. Nobody, I mean absolutely nobody in the business actually takes him seriously. He is one of those fanatical Friedmanites, who does not have the intellectual capacity to actually understand Friedman’s free-market ideology. Instead he just spouts right wing economic and political platitudes in the guise of commentary. Unfortunately, he seems to be successful at getting his Alfred E. Neumanesque mug on TV.
May 30th, 2006 at 10:17 amThe problem is that, for people who are solely Fox watchers, this is truth and there is no other. Just another good reason to not watch television.
May 30th, 2006 at 10:21 am#14. we would probably harm the environment more with clay tablets than the internet, on a per character basis. between the excavation of the clay, the wood we burn to bake them in ovens, the massive storage facilities we need. how much space would we need for the federal register alone?
May 30th, 2006 at 10:28 amThis would be the same Mr. Hoenig, who helps run a hedge fund, who on the May 20 edition of this same show said “A good offensive is a good offensive. We don’t have to figure out who our enemies are. Iran is at the top of the list. If the government wants to do something to help protect the market and Americans, get out the maps, stop listening to how many time I call my mother or grandmother and let’s bomb Iran’s capabilities to make nuclear arms.” Mr. Hoenig repeated his call for an air bombing campaign against Iran several more times before the show concluded.
May 30th, 2006 at 10:28 amMy concern is not that Mr. Hoenig lowers the level of discourse on the Fox Channel, as if that were possible.
My concern is with the investors who have placed their money in the care of Mr. Hoenig.
I’ve looked in vain for any documentation as to Mr. Hoenig’s fund’s performance. I do note that his fund partnership, on their web site, says they practice Randian Objectivism as a philosophy, and that Mr. Hoenig writes fondly of market following as an investment strategy.
Good for them. But what’s their performance versus the S&P 500? No word on their web site about that.
If his judgement with respect to foreign affairs is so poor, one trembles for the future of those foolish enough to entrust their funds to him.
Fingers in your ears everone …. ‘La,La,La,La,La,La,La,La’
‘There is no such thing as Global Warming, there is no such thing as Global Warming, there is no such thing …..’
Are we in Kansas yet?
http://www.politicallyoutspoken.com
May 30th, 2006 at 10:37 amEven if global warming is happening AND it is caused by human activity (which IMO is why global warming is bogus and more like a religion). The result is predetermined: humans are causing it, and if you think otherwise, you hate the environment.
Nevermind that Venus and Mars also appear to be warming these last years, and that the sun has been radiating a little more these last years.
Oh and even if it was true, you’re asking the government for help. You’ll only get unintended consequences, probably worse, more annoying or more oppressing results. You’re being played.
May 30th, 2006 at 10:47 amWelcome to the New Dark Ages: Global Warming is a hoax. Evolution is a sham. War is good, abortion bad. Gays are sinners. God is White. Debt is an illusion. Dubya’s a great leader. Death is progress. Greed is divine. Abstinence good, condoms bad. Pat Robertson sane, the rest of us - not! Freedom good, fear even better. Big Brother good while Big Business has only our best interests at heart.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:03 amPlease tell me experts in the last 30 years show me quantatively with actual measures (not hocus pocus computer models-I can make a model show anything I want) how much of temperture change in NATURAL and how much is from MAN.
You ignore the links I posted yesterday. This page shows both model and non-model-based studies that detected manmade warming:
http://www.heatisonline.org/ contentserver/ objecthandlers/ index.cfm?id=3458&method=full
These studies detect the “signature” of manmade warming. Many make quantitative observations, which of course have margins of error. This margin partially accounts for the IPCC’s range of estimates on the amount of risk we’ll be exposed to over the next 100 years.
There are a number of different studies. So if it’s so important that you know about them, read them. Then come back to us. Many of these studies are summarized in newspaper articles, which link to the studies themselves.
Hopefully, you’ll come to an appreciation of the risks that scientists are pointing out. We buy fire insurance even though we don’t know if our house is going to catch fire. But we do know that man made climate change is occuring, so what’s up with the people who want to do nothing?
Somehow, I suspect there are some people who are never going to be convinced, no matter how much empirical evidence they get. The Discovery Institute points to all the unknowns and uncertainties in the theory of evolution as evidence that it never happened. “Never argue with a man whose job depends on not being convinced.†— H.L. Mencken
May 30th, 2006 at 11:04 amkth..
I’m wirh ( kth ) on his very good point. It seems there was something said once about how cocain boosts the ego and numbs the thought process.
Just asking..
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May 30th, 2006 at 11:07 amYeah, the Greens really f’ed up Germany ya know.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:12 amGive me $10 and 10 minutes, and I will find you an “analyst” to tell you that Global Warming is a myth. This guy would probably do it for free, assuming you allow him to plug his company’s website, on which you WON’T find any information regarding the performance of his asset management services, but you WILL find numerous T-Shirts for sale. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! I’m not kidding!!! Asset management, and T-Shirts!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I’m seriously laughing out loud right now.
Mr. Hoenig, you, much like your company, are a joke. Please do mankind a favor and stick to T-shirt sales. Please, I beg you, leave the science to pretty much ANYONE else. I’ll settle for anyone who has taken a 100 level science class - an elite field in which I suspect you have not earned membership.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:15 amI think he just had a menstrual cramp…
May 30th, 2006 at 11:18 amOil companies and polluters hate technology.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:18 amTechnology will end dependence on oil.
I’m really tired of these people who get paid to lie to me.
I’m really sick and tired.
I’d like to meet that f*cker in a dark alley.
This TV commentator is just another corporate shill using smoke and mirrors to obscure the important issues. Of course I disagree that global warming is a made-up issue. Of course I recognize the scientific consensus among reputable, disinterested sources that supports the findings that warming is taking place.
That said, however, I do not believe global warming is even close to being the most important environmental issue of our time. Corporatists and their media machine have suceeded in misdirecting the debate on environmental issues much as they have suceeded in misdirecting the debate over political issues as a whole.
I have spent 17 years as a senior enforcement attorney at HQ in the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.
I have learned that there are issues most newspapers and other media, including the blogosphere, do not cover that are more important in terms of the government’s ability to address environmental problems than the usual litany I see repeated here.
Global warming, Arctic Drilling, endangered animals, gasoline mileage, etc. are all significant environmental issues to many people. But they are largely symbolic in my view.
They are not the most important issues because they do not have immediate, deadly impact on public health.
I am trying to tell folks here that there are issues which do present an imminent hazard to public health that are being systematically mishandled by this Administration, the Congress, and the public, generally. These issues were mishandled by the previous Administration as well and are being mishandled or ignored by the so-called “environmental” movement, too.
Let me list as examples the two most obvious overarching concerns: air pollution, specifically particulates, and water pollution, specifically our crumbling sewage treatment infrastructure.
Power plants and vehicles putting particulates into the air while government relaxes regulation and allows more and more increases in this kind of pollution can and does have immediate deadly effects on public health — look at the nationwide epidemic of asthma. It isn’t always the pollution you see, or the issue on which upper-middle class people donate money, that will kill the most people.
Next, we can build water plants in Iraq, but we are cutting Federal dollars with which to fund municipal and local government modernization and capacity upgrades to our ancient, crumbling sewage treatment system. Sewage overflows are rampant - talk to organizations of local governments and see this confirmed. Look at what the recent flooding in New England as well as the flooding after Katrina did to those areas’ ability to control pollution and the risk of bacteria due to sewage overflows.
Oh, I know, sewage and particulates aren’t fashionable — not cute like a panda, not frightening like a doomsday global warming scenario. The fact that we need our issues to have sex appeal only deepens my contempt for the minds that insist on ignoring what needs to be fixed first.
A society that cannot provide itself with basic sanitation is doomed to suffer serious declines in public health. Those little pieces of paper you soon will see floating in our streams and rivers are not messages of joy, my friends.
Behind this misdirection of attention is simple economics. Corporate America is not interested in protecting public health because it is not interested at all in any aspect of the concept “public” nor particularly committed to the idea of “health.” People are units of production, and as such, are fungible, replaceable and dealt with on a cost benefit basis.
Watch how OMB is now managing the concept of health risk from environmental causes to see this play out for real.
Environmental groups have gone seriously off course because they do not get their money donated from the mid to lower income people most affected and most immediately at risk through exposure to toxic chemicals and air and water pollution. Pandas and global warming sells memberships and are easy to get your head around. You can get idealistic young college kids to go door to door raising money to “stop global warming” but not to enforce Clean Air Act new source performance standards. These other issues are tough to market, hard to raise money on, and the major environmental groups have become too self-interested, gentrified and establishment to address them.
Perhaps the most serious issue of all in the environment these days is the pollution of the concept of science itself — the degradation this Administration has brought to EPA and the power it has given to the most powerful polluters to control scientific judgments that drive legal requirements and actions on the ground that directly affect our health and welfare.
This issue can be illustrated by referring to how just two of the most widespread and best known toxic chemicals are being handled under environmental law: Trichloroethylene or TCE and perchlorate.
Usually newspapers and other corporatist media say issues over which a government agency has power to make decisions is just inside the beltway turf fighting and not worth covering — which ignores the fact that the fight over the environment is between who decides how best to protect the public, an independent regulatory agency mandated to do so and enforce the law by Congress and statutory law, or a member of the regulated community and a huge polluter — the Defense Deparment.
Ralph Vartabedian, of the Los Angeles Times, on March 30, 2006, reported in a most unusual but truly public spirited way the nature of this issue, and I will quote a synopsis of the piece I found on the Greenwire:
“Sparked by a 2001 report from U.S. EPA finding that trichloroethylene was 40 times more carcinogenic than previously believed, a legal battle between EPA and the Defense Department ended with the Pentagon taking control of and burying TCE cleanup efforts, according to a Los Angeles Times report.
“TCE was once widely used in consumer products, such as correction fluid for typewriters and spot cleaners. Now, TCE is the most widespread water contaminant in the United States, with large areas of California, Florida, New York and Texas sitting on plumes of it. California classifies it as a known carcinogen and issued a risk assessment in 1999 that came to the same conclusions as the 2001 EPA report. The United States still uses about 100 tons of TCE annually, although military use is down to about 11 gallons per year. An Air Force report in 2003 said the Pentagon alone had 1,400 TCE-contaminated sites.
“It is a World Trade Center in slow motion,” said Boston University epidemiologist David Ozonoff. “You would never notice it.”
“Experts have said EPA’s risk assessment means thousands of U.S. birth defects and cancers per year could be attributable to TCE exposure. But since the Defense Department had at least 1,000 military properties contaminated with the toxic solvent, the Pentagon launched a successful challenge to costly cleanup plans that could have included the EPA’s toughening its TCE standard for drinking water, currently at five parts per billion.
“The Pentagon, aided by NASA and the Energy Department, appealed to the White House in 2001, arguing that the EPA report was badly flawed. Bush administration appointees in EPA sided with the Pentagon and withdrew the risk assessment in favor of a study by the National Academy of Sciences, which is due out this summer.
“California is the worst-contaminated state, with 67 Superfund sites polluted by TCE. The San Gabriel Valley, about 18 percent of which is contaminated, has cost $120 million to clean up over the past 20 years and has decades more work ahead, EPA Superfund officials said. The San Fernando Valley has cost $150 million so far to clean up water supplies for 800,000 residents (Ralph Vartabedian, Los Angeles Times, March 30).
“The general public has no idea this is happening,” said Erik Olson, a lawyer with the Natural Resources Defense Council. “The Defense Department has succeeded in undermining the basic scientific process at EPA. The DoD is the biggest polluter in the United States and they have made major investments to undercut the EPA.” — end quote
It is this sort of issue, my friends, that defines the environmental law of today.
In short, the fox is in charge of the henhouse.
Until we change that and restore independence and authority to a disinterested government agency over scientific judgments concerning the risks posed by substances to our health, I’m afraid we are lost, no matter how many pandas we save, how many times we prevent drilling in the Arctic, and how much CO2 we complain and whine about.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:30 am“Methinks, thou doth protest too much.”
May 30th, 2006 at 11:45 amIsn’t it obvious by now that Fox News is any thing but “news”? If anyone listen to and buy what Fox News has to say, he or she might as well jump off the cliff. There is absolutely no value in propaganda based on greed and evil agenda, as what Fox News is all about.
Also, it’s rather amusing to find the over-simplified and shallow nature of the “conservatives”, a.k.a. rightwing greedy extremists. They always justify for their irresponsible and reckless action by blaming their opponents with messages of hatred and self-reflected envious overtone. In this case, it is those exploitive and greedy corporations that are spilling out their hatred toward the Earth, putting the rest of us at great risks in terms of health and economic stability, then turn around and spilling out messages of lies, deception, and hatred to cover-up their evil motive and doing, as always.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:49 amThis guy is pathetic and sad…. I feel sorry for him and his delusions of being apart of the “in” crowd in Washington …. Truly a sad commentary on what our “It’s all about Me - F everyone else!” society has allowed to happen to our young people’s values and sense of right and wrong…
May 30th, 2006 at 11:49 amIt’s dawned on me that this ilk (Fox News, Neo-Cons, fundies, IDers, etc.) have taken a collective technological leap in the science of propaganda.
By simplifying their message to the fewest, angriest, most easily-memorized (and therefore, parroted) words possible, they insure that a large number of people (without the skills or the inclination for critical analysis) automatically “flop” into their barrel, thereby increasing exponentially the number of mouthpieces echoing falsehoods they don’t even understand.
You got to hand it to ‘em. It is hard to come up with a response to “there’s no proof that global warming even exists” without going into the proof that global warming exists. Feel free to substitute evolution or WMD or gay marriage. The instant you go into the details, you lose 90% of your audience.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:52 amThe proof is in the pictures of glaciers taken over the past century, and ice core samples going back thousands of years.
You have two choices, you can continue to listen to people that have the best interest of the survival of the human race, or industry that only cares about next quarters profits. They will continue to do the minimum required by our government and nothing more. We all lose. There will be a day when many people will be unable to pay for homeowners insurance, due to more severe storms everywhere in the US.
I read a report that stated the amount of activity in HELL has gone up during the Bush administartion, it must be the rapture republicans.
May 30th, 2006 at 11:53 amHoenig is a sniveling douchebag.
-GSD
May 30th, 2006 at 11:59 amAll scientists (even the right-wingers) agree that global warming exists. Can the neo-con facists over at FOX get that into their pea-sized brains? Their comments are so outrageous that it’s as if they only say them for the shock value. And to please FNC’s far-right viewers of course.
http://www.lcoliberal.blogspot.com
GOP defends a criminal, again:
Right now on LCL
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
May 30th, 2006 at 12:00 pmMore troops going to Iraq. Where’s the promised “withdrawl”: Give us your opnion.
Only on SSA;
Folks, don’t bother posting information to support scientific findings to throw at people like this. They KNOW they are lying. They simply do not care about anything at all except what seems to satisfye their needs at this particular moment.
May 30th, 2006 at 12:32 pmAs far as global warming goes, it is too late. We have crossed the threshold. Once the peat bogs start the emissions the warming will be rapid and devastating. Right now we need to develop the green technology just to survive underground as a species.
Hug your children, love your family, work to make it better but reserve me a table for three in hell with asshats like this and those that believe them.
God help us when idiots like this clown go on Fox “News” and spew this nonsense. What’s weird is he almost looks like a male version of Katherine “Cruella” Harris.
May 30th, 2006 at 1:07 pmIf we hook this guy up with Ken Mehlman do you think we can be rid of them both?
May 30th, 2006 at 1:14 pm[…] These kinds of reports have been popping up on Fox a lot lately. My favorite part is the caption proclaiming what is clearly meant to be a “nutty” statement by Bill Clinton that global warming is worse than terrorism, which is punctuated by at runner about our “fallen heroes,” drawing extra attention to the immediate casualties of terror (because Americans love immediate, and news outlets love to continuously link the war in Iraq to terrorism rather than despotism). […]
May 30th, 2006 at 1:30 pmthe other day i was on a thread on a popular website, and half of the people under 25 believed this nonsense. ALL of the people w/ a college degree agreed w/ me that Global Warming is REAL. that just says something there.
May 30th, 2006 at 1:35 pmThis is exactly the problem with TV news discussions — there is never any fact checking (in large part because anchors won’t call pundits on their shit), the hacks know this, so they feel free to say whatever brainwashing BS that suits their view.
May 30th, 2006 at 1:44 pmWallaby, here is the url:
http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/glaciers.html
May 30th, 2006 at 1:54 pmDid anyone else notice that in the background was a very polluted, smogged city?
May 30th, 2006 at 2:05 pmThis is another perfect example of what is wrong with our country. First we have the friends of ours… you know who they are, they listen to a soundbite from the neo-conservatives echo chamber, repeat it, thinking, “I’m smart, I can repeat something I heard”… and they do no research, and much like that game of telephone we played as 5 and 6 year-olds, dumb down America.
I have a great idea, why don’t we have Jonathan Hoenig and any of his other blow hard know nothings do something novel next time before they open their mouth… know what it is they’re talking about, do a little research into the topic and then they won’t come off sounding like Pee-Wee Herman on Acid.
Come on people, we are smarter than this!
May 30th, 2006 at 2:06 pmThis despicable little man is an example of what’s wrong, morally and economically, with unbridled Ayn Rand capitalism. He calls himself “The Capitalist Pig.” Well, he got the “pig” part right.
One thing about global warming, though. It will never make the earth as hot as where this fool is going to end up.
May 30th, 2006 at 2:12 pmPlease tell me experts in the last 30 years show me quantatively with actual measures (not hocus pocus computer models-I can make a model show anything I want) how much of temperture change in NATURAL and how much is from MAN.