Comments on: CEI Defends Chewing Tobacco’s Honor http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 01:48:15 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: member of the armed services http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-1623689 member of the armed services Sat, 03 Feb 2007 10:46:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-1623689 i would like to address all of you who think that smokeless tobacco personell are useless. where i work, we have to get planes off the ground, or people like you will die! we dont take smoke breaks because if we do, your safety hangs in the balance. we dip or chew, so we dont need to smoke, and we get those planes in the air yes it means spitting under the planes as we take a second to move our heads, but i think you thank us for tat one second we take for our selves. we take up dipping and chewing tot kick the smoking habit that we have aquired, just so you can remain safe. so to say that we are rednecks or hillbilly's, is way out of line. i chose dipping from smoking because i needed a nicotine fix yes, but not to risk your freedom in the process! i think you for your time. next time, think about the circumstances before you blurt out your opinion! i would like to address all of you who think that smokeless tobacco personell are useless. where i work, we have to get planes off the ground, or people like you will die! we dont take smoke breaks because if we do, your safety hangs in the balance. we dip or chew, so we dont need to smoke, and we get those planes in the air yes it means spitting under the planes as we take a second to move our heads, but i think you thank us for tat one second we take for our selves. we take up dipping and chewing tot kick the smoking habit that we have aquired, just so you can remain safe. so to say that we are rednecks or hillbilly’s, is way out of line. i chose dipping from smoking because i needed a nicotine fix yes, but not to risk your freedom in the process! i think you for your time. next time, think about the circumstances before you blurt out your opinion!

]]> By: OpenMarket » The Difference Between Safe and Safer: A Quick Lesson in Risk Reduction http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-1444308 OpenMarket » The Difference Between Safe and Safer: A Quick Lesson in Risk Reduction Sun, 14 Jan 2007 00:36:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-1444308 [...] The Center for American Progress’s ThinkProgress blog has taken issue with my post yesterday about smokeless tobacco. I’m a little confused by their response. It basically restates my two main arguments—that using smokeless tobacco products is far less dangerous than using regular tobacco products and that a campaign of total tobacco prohibition, rather than moderation, may be costing people their lives by implying that anything short of total tobacco abstinence is deadly. But after restating my arguments, their post doesn’t actually refute either one of them in any substantive way, instead bringing up the same old WHO line that I posted myself: smokeless tobacco isn’t a safe alternative to cigarettes. [...] [...] The Center for American Progress’s ThinkProgress blog has taken issue with my post yesterday about smokeless tobacco. I’m a little confused by their response. It basically restates my two main arguments—that using smokeless tobacco products is far less dangerous than using regular tobacco products and that a campaign of total tobacco prohibition, rather than moderation, may be costing people their lives by implying that anything short of total tobacco abstinence is deadly. But after restating my arguments, their post doesn’t actually refute either one of them in any substantive way, instead bringing up the same old WHO line that I posted myself: smokeless tobacco isn’t a safe alternative to cigarettes. [...]

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]]> By: Joshua http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-1261407 Joshua Tue, 12 Dec 2006 09:45:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-1261407 I am almost 6 feet tall — get a picture of that in your mind, Miss Salma. The worst boss I ever had was about 5′7″, not all that short really, but in comparison to me, he felt short. Nazis would look good next to this guy. An old landlord was the same way, he would come to my workplace at the time, an office in a hotel he owned, and start flinging his crap around trying to intimidate me — always in the presence of witnesses. All I had to do with either the boss or landlord was draw myself up to my full height and step in close. I am almost 6 feet tall — get a picture of that in your mind, Miss Salma. The worst boss I ever had was about 5′7″, not all that short really, but in comparison to me, he felt short. Nazis would look good next to this guy. An old landlord was the same way, he would come to my workplace at the time, an office in a hotel he owned, and start flinging his crap around trying to intimidate me — always in the presence of witnesses. All I had to do with either the boss or landlord was draw myself up to my full height and step in close.

]]> By: David http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-1158543 David Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:26:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-1158543 Both the renters for their belongings and landlords for their buildings…but 20 dollars is not much in todays world and fire fighting equipment is costly….the fire always will be put out and lives risked to save innocent people…the subscription just helps spread the financial burdern to all. Both the renters for their belongings and landlords for their buildings…but 20 dollars is not much in todays world and fire fighting equipment is costly….the fire always will be put out and lives risked to save innocent people…the subscription just helps spread the financial burdern to all.

]]> By: Josh http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-1003802 Josh Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:15:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-1003802 i am a cowboy and i enjoy my copenhagen snuff..its hell of better than smoking...i dont know wat i would do without copenhagen. it satisfies. since 1822. i am a cowboy and i enjoy my copenhagen snuff..its hell of better than smoking…i dont know wat i would do without copenhagen. it satisfies. since 1822.

]]> By: digger25 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-814581 digger25 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 04:40:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-814581 who give a #^&@. let people do whatever they want. are you really gonna stand there drinking coffee or some derivative thereof, and bitch about smokers and dippers? i dont smoke (quit) dont drink (quit) and still dip sometimes when i feel like it, at work. it doesnt affect my job, or your job. and whats with all the political rhetoric? research a little on your own. maybe your non addictive brain will wake up a little and realize politics (from both sides) have nothing to do with the american people, and havent for many many years. if you check into it a bit, you'll find that most of our founding fathers were against big centralized govt's for this very reason. in fact a couple of them (look it up on your own so you dont think im regurgitating made up facts given to me third hand) thought that a nation should over throw its govt every 20 years or so, just to keep it under control. or dont look it up. just keep believing everything anyone tells you. be sheep. who give a #^&@. let people do whatever they want. are you really gonna stand there drinking coffee or some derivative thereof, and bitch about smokers and dippers? i dont smoke (quit) dont drink (quit) and still dip sometimes when i feel like it, at work. it doesnt affect my job, or your job. and whats with all the political rhetoric? research a little on your own. maybe your non addictive brain will wake up a little and realize politics (from both sides) have nothing to do with the american people, and havent for many many years. if you check into it a bit, you’ll find that most of our founding fathers were against big centralized govt’s for this very reason. in fact a couple of them (look it up on your own so you dont think im regurgitating made up facts given to me third hand) thought that a nation should over throw its govt every 20 years or so, just to keep it under control. or dont look it up. just keep believing everything anyone tells you. be sheep.

]]> By: Lynn http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-595853 Lynn Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:41:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-595853 <em>Wow… that site is almost as good as The Onion.</em> I daresay The Onion is actually a lot more credible. I've seen a couple of their articles a few years ago that actually seemed to be prophetic, as those bits of news did come true in a few years (for example, one of their articles said GWB will soon declare war on Iraq, and that was a year or so before he actually did ^_^) I wonder if the people on that blog can actually write that stuff with a straight face. "...that public health crusaders’ emphasis on risk elimination—rather than risk reduction—might be costing people their lives"?? Priceless. Wow… that site is almost as good as The Onion.

I daresay The Onion is actually a lot more credible. I’ve seen a couple of their articles a few years ago that actually seemed to be prophetic, as those bits of news did come true in a few years (for example, one of their articles said GWB will soon declare war on Iraq, and that was a year or so before he actually did ^_^)

I wonder if the people on that blog can actually write that stuff with a straight face. “…that public health crusaders’ emphasis on risk elimination—rather than risk reduction—might be costing people their lives”?? Priceless.

]]> By: romunov’s blog et al :: Sundee :: June :: 2006 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-593588 romunov’s blog et al :: Sundee :: June :: 2006 Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:18:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-593588 [...] And another example of how corporatism rules. Paying people to yammer various nonsense. I guess this could be dangerous in uncivilized society, where people are more or less educated. No wait… The ACLU of Indiana filed suit this week to block an Indianapolis ordinance that would prevent former sex offenders from traveling, living, or working within 1,000 feet of a park, playground, swimming pool, recreation center, sports field, or other designated areas where children might congregate. [...] [...] And another example of how corporatism rules. Paying people to yammer various nonsense. I guess this could be dangerous in uncivilized society, where people are more or less educated. No wait… The ACLU of Indiana filed suit this week to block an Indianapolis ordinance that would prevent former sex offenders from traveling, living, or working within 1,000 feet of a park, playground, swimming pool, recreation center, sports field, or other designated areas where children might congregate. [...]

]]> By: Hunter http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-593447 Hunter Sun, 04 Jun 2006 03:16:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-593447 Its true, I've never seen so many people, and many young people at that take up dip and chew. It was a friggin' epidemic last year at high school. As far as I see it the diseases and cancers it causes are less fatal and debilitating, plus it smells delicious. Also, I don't get second hand smoke from it so if someone wants to dip or chew I could care less. I'd rather be around a heavy chewer/dipper over a heavy smoker or drinker any day. Its true, I’ve never seen so many people, and many young people at that take up dip and chew. It was a friggin’ epidemic last year at high school.
As far as I see it the diseases and cancers it causes are less fatal and debilitating, plus it smells delicious. Also, I don’t get second hand smoke from it so if someone wants to dip or chew I could care less. I’d rather be around a heavy chewer/dipper over a heavy smoker or drinker any day.

]]> By: bill99brown http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-593195 bill99brown Sat, 03 Jun 2006 19:52:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-593195 The chick from CEI responded to your post. In fairness, she makes a pretty good point: even though smokeless tobacco isn't totally safe, it's a lot safer than smoking, and if we can't get people to quit using tobacco, the next best thing is to get them to use safer alternatives, alternatives that, even though they have problems, are much less deadly than cigarettes. I don't see what TP is disagreeing with here. Is it just that you don't like CEI, or is there a good reason why, if elininating risk doesn;t seem to work with a lot of people, we shouldn't at least try to reduce risk? Also, she's kind of hot for a hack. The chick from CEI responded to your post. In fairness, she makes a pretty good point: even though smokeless tobacco isn’t totally safe, it’s a lot safer than smoking, and if we can’t get people to quit using tobacco, the next best thing is to get them to use safer alternatives, alternatives that, even though they have problems, are much less deadly than cigarettes.

I don’t see what TP is disagreeing with here. Is it just that you don’t like CEI, or is there a good reason why, if elininating risk doesn;t seem to work with a lot of people, we shouldn’t at least try to reduce risk?

Also, she’s kind of hot for a hack.

]]> By: Zookeeper http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-593020 Zookeeper Sat, 03 Jun 2006 16:24:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-593020 #71 - Ewwwww......eewwww....accckkkkk!!! First thing on a Saturday morning, ugh! The hell with the brillo pad, I'm taking a wire brush to my eyes. I can't stand Condi Rice, but damn, she couldn't do better than that? Blech... #71 – Ewwwww……eewwww….accckkkkk!!! First thing on a Saturday morning, ugh! The hell with the brillo pad, I’m taking a wire brush to my eyes. I can’t stand Condi Rice, but damn, she couldn’t do better than that? Blech…

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-592960 katy Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:30:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-592960 OOO! speaking of laura - it's no wonder she's smoking! surely you've all heard of THIS latest story: June 2, 2006 -- A White House source, speaking on background, vehemently denied to WMR that there are marital problems between President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush over a reported extramarital affair between Mr. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. However, two mainstream media sources have confirmed that their sources also have reported an ongoing affair between Mr. Bush and Rice. http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/ (scroll down a bit, below the yellow box) OOO! speaking of laura – it’s no wonder she’s smoking! surely you’ve all heard of THIS latest story:

June 2, 2006 — A White House source, speaking on background, vehemently denied to WMR that there are marital problems between President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush over a reported extramarital affair between Mr. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. However, two mainstream media sources have confirmed that their sources also have reported an ongoing affair between Mr. Bush and Rice.
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
(scroll down a bit, below the yellow box)

]]> By: meg_mac http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-592941 meg_mac Sat, 03 Jun 2006 15:11:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-592941 maybe Laura Bush should switch from cigarettes to chew. Safer you know! maybe Laura Bush should switch from cigarettes to chew. Safer you know!

]]> By: meg_mac http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-592921 meg_mac Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:58:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-592921 my brother just lost his jaw all his teeth and now has spots on his lungs from pipe smoking tobacco for 30 years. i can imagine what putting the frickin tobacco in your mouth between your lip and your teeth is gonna do? my brother just lost his jaw all his teeth and now has spots on his lungs from pipe smoking tobacco for 30 years. i can imagine what putting the frickin tobacco in your mouth between your lip and your teeth is gonna do?

]]> By: lpt http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-592835 lpt Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:57:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-592835 I wonder when people actually place or 'dip' in the 'chaw' are they REALLY looking at the site. I don't know; maybe they are so locked in on how to do that they don't sneak a peek. Maybe they brush their teeth in the dark. Interesting. Here's a test for those who chew: Get in front of a mirror, pull back your lower lip and take a GOOD look at your gums.Ignore the brown stuff for now and just look at your gums, especially around your lower teeth: if you have been at this a while, you are likely to have red, receding gum tissue(gums are typically pink and firm) and maybe some white spots or markings in the affected area , then make an appointment with a reputable dental professional and get a diagnosis(it COULD be cancerous, and we all know what cancer can do:spread).I hear throat cancer aint pretty and presents serious problems for smokers and chewers alike. The tobacco industry doesn't care about whether their product kills you the way I care about you getting the help to stop this habit. I mean no offense, it's just that it is such a SENSLESS form of indulgence. Now strawberry ice cream..... I wonder when people actually place or ‘dip’ in the ‘chaw’ are they REALLY looking at the site. I don’t know; maybe they are so locked in on how to do that they don’t sneak a peek. Maybe they brush their teeth in the dark. Interesting. Here’s a test for those who chew: Get in front of a mirror, pull back your lower lip and take a GOOD look at your gums.Ignore the brown stuff for now and just look at your gums, especially around your lower teeth: if you have been at this a while, you are likely to have red, receding gum tissue(gums are typically pink and firm) and maybe some white spots or markings in the affected area , then make an appointment with a reputable dental professional and get a diagnosis(it COULD be cancerous, and we all know what cancer can do:spread).I hear throat cancer aint pretty and presents serious problems for smokers and chewers alike. The tobacco industry doesn’t care about whether their product kills you the way I care about you getting the help to stop this habit. I mean no offense, it’s just that it is such a SENSLESS form of indulgence. Now strawberry ice cream…..

]]> By: Jay Randal http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-592520 Jay Randal Sat, 03 Jun 2006 05:19:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-592520 Next Tuesday is the 6-6-6 day > 6th month, 6th day, and 6th year of the new century! Bush and the Repubs in Congress originally were going to attack Gay marriages on Tuesday, but Pat Robertson reminded Dubya Dunce Decider that Monday would be better > lol. Next Tuesday is the 6-6-6 day > 6th month, 6th day, and 6th year of the new century! Bush and the Repubs in Congress originally were going to attack Gay marriages on Tuesday, but Pat Robertson reminded Dubya Dunce Decider that Monday would be better > lol.

]]> By: Zookeeper http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-592291 Zookeeper Sat, 03 Jun 2006 03:43:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-592291 katy, I fully expect Zoo Jr is going to make me crazy by not calling or returning calls. He's already told me not to be calling all the time. I told him I won't if he returns my email messages in a timely manner -- timely manner of my definition, of course! At my baby is moving only 2 hours away, for now. I'll have a chance to adjust. He dreams of working overseas as a photojournalist, so I just have to trust that I raised him right and he'll be ok. He also loves to take extremely close-up photos, so I can hope he gets a job in a lab taking pictures of germs or viruses. I'm clearly crazy... Goodnight for now. I'll be checking in from time to time this weekend since the weather is crap. It rained so hard and so much at noon today that we had flash floods in the streets. I drove real fast through a giant puddle and almost stalled the car -- it was great! katy, I fully expect Zoo Jr is going to make me crazy by not calling or returning calls. He’s already told me not to be calling all the time. I told him I won’t if he returns my email messages in a timely manner — timely manner of my definition, of course! At my baby is moving only 2 hours away, for now. I’ll have a chance to adjust. He dreams of working overseas as a photojournalist, so I just have to trust that I raised him right and he’ll be ok. He also loves to take extremely close-up photos, so I can hope he gets a job in a lab taking pictures of germs or viruses. I’m clearly crazy…

Goodnight for now. I’ll be checking in from time to time this weekend since the weather is crap. It rained so hard and so much at noon today that we had flash floods in the streets. I drove real fast through a giant puddle and almost stalled the car — it was great!

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-592257 katy Sat, 03 Jun 2006 03:10:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-592257 yea, zoo... just to clear this up - my son still says "i love you" whenever we talk - he's in california - and until we parted i always got my goodbye kisses, and all that... he's just not into talking to me/mom about his life and love the way my daughter is... sometimes forgets that sunday call, not realizing how my mind conjures up the most awful things... but then, imagine that... it's a guy thing... i just didn't want you to have the wrong impression... and congrats on the graduation - you'll see the big changes soon! hang in! hint: don't let those kisses ever stop - no matter what! that's all for this - i'm just so glad to know i'm not bannished anymore... it's good to get some feefback... my daughter was making fun of me, i was starting to jones! yea, zoo… just to clear this up – my son still says “i love you” whenever we talk – he’s in california – and until we parted i always got my goodbye kisses, and all that… he’s just not into talking to me/mom about his life and love the way my daughter is… sometimes forgets that sunday call, not realizing how my mind conjures up the most awful things… but then, imagine that… it’s a guy thing…
i just didn’t want you to have the wrong impression…
and congrats on the graduation – you’ll see the big changes soon! hang in!
hint: don’t let those kisses ever stop – no matter what!

that’s all for this – i’m just so glad to know i’m not bannished anymore… it’s good to get some feefback… my daughter was making fun of me, i was starting to jones!

]]> By: Zookeeper http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/comment-page-2/#comment-592184 Zookeeper Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:18:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/02/defending-chewing-tabacco/#comment-592184 #63 - That was sweet, katy. My kids are 5 years apart, too. I'm so glad I had boys, that high-pitched giggle girls have drives me to homicidal thoughts. I have a niece that I just love to pieces. My sis is upset because her daughter looks more like me then her, HA! I still get a kiss from Zoo Jr every morning when I drop him off at school -- and he's graduating next Friday. I've never had the "don't want to be seen with mom" thing with either of them. Jr wants to shave his head for graduation, so I may not want to be seen with him! Ah, motherhood... #63 – That was sweet, katy. My kids are 5 years apart, too. I’m so glad I had boys, that high-pitched giggle girls have drives me to homicidal thoughts. I have a niece that I just love to pieces. My sis is upset because her daughter looks more like me then her, HA! I still get a kiss from Zoo Jr every morning when I drop him off at school — and he’s graduating next Friday. I’ve never had the “don’t want to be seen with mom” thing with either of them. Jr wants to shave his head for graduation, so I may not want to be seen with him! Ah, motherhood…

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