‘Tens of Thousands’ of Somalians Demonstrate Against U.S. Support for Militias
‘Tens of Thousands’ of Somalians Demonstrate Against U.S. Support for Militias
Last month, the Washington Post reported the Bush administration was “secretly supporting secular warlords” in Somalia “who have been waging fierce battles against Islamic groups for control of the capital, Mogadishu.†Some of these warlords reportedly “fought against the United States in 1993 during street battles that culminated in an attack that downed two U.S. Black Hawk helicopters and left 18 Army Rangers dead.â€
U.S. support for these militias upset the Somali prime minister, who said, “We would prefer that the U.S. work with the transitional government and not with criminals. … This is a dangerous game. Somalia is not a stable place and we want the U.S. in Somalia. But in a more constructive way.”
He’s not the only Somalian upset with the policy. Reuters reports today:
Tens of thousands of people took to the streets of Mogadishu on Friday angrily condemning the United States for supporting warlords involved in clashes with Islamic militias that claimed 16 more lives overnight. […]
Some 350 people have been killed in three bouts of heavy fighting since the start of the year in the fighting that had focused on the capital but has now moved beyond Mogadishu.
The policy of supporting the “enemy of the enemy” is further destabilizing Somalia, but a shift in policy is unlikely. Last week, the State Department transferred Michale Zorick, the former political affairs officer for Somalia, to a different post after he spoke out against supporting the warlords.
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This is such an important story yet we hear NOTHING about it in the mainstream media.
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:08 pmJUST ANOTHER PRIME EXAMPLE OF AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY
Can anybody on this page explain American Foreign policies at the UN here, are you just a country that wants a backward world for your own personal gains
Lets see the democrats or the republicans explain this
The US has repeatedly acted to undermine peace and human rights initiatives at the United Nations, routinely voting against hundreds of UN resolutions and treaties. The US easily has the worst record of any nation on not supporting UN treaties. In almost all of its hundreds of “no†votes, the US was the “sole†nation to vote no (among the 100–130 nations that usually vote), and among only 1 or 2 other nations voting no the rest of the time. Here’s a representative sample of US votes from 1978–1987:Nations
lets see anybody explain your UN obligations to making this a better world
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:08 pmI'm going to keep posting this until it sinks in and we finally get it.
This is not - at the top levels - an incompotent administration.
This is not - at the top levels - an administration that makes mistakes.
This is not - at the top levels - an administration that is stupid.
These are mean, sick, evil, bastards who want to CHANGE AMERICA and the WORLD.
How many times is it going to take before we get it???
The writing is on the wall!!!
TIME TO MAKE PLANS: (1) GET A PASSPORT AND (2) HAVE A PLAN TO LEAVE THE US SOON FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR OWN LIVES.
Think I’m nuts?
Ask the folks in Germany who kept telling themselves things would get better.
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:13 pmDo these jerks not learn from any of the aid and assistance we've given to other rebel armies?
Was 9/11 not enough of a wake up call that we can't go passing out guns and ammunition and spreading war without karma bringing it right back to our own door step? And if not - what will be?
What would they be thinking now if the third hijacked plan did make it to the Capital Building? Or the White House?
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:13 pmThings are very good in germany and france they have for starters a ZERO waiting list in hospitals for ANY treatment
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:17 pmnatural entropy + a healthy helping of human intention = EVIL
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:18 pmGermans Say should we spend our countries money on looking after the needy or the destitute and spend money whatever it takes on health care .......... only then do they spend money crashing rockets onto the moons surface to see if there is water below the surface ................. get your priorities straight in America first then do the other things
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:20 pmHey Tobey, it would be smart if you read up a bit on history and you might learn something about the 1940's and GERMANY!
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:20 pmBoth my grandfathers were killed in the war so dont tell me whats what --- I FORGIVE THEM - you are talking a long time ago - I never met any of my grandparents -- I FORGIVE THEM - - - AMERICA I WILL BOYCOT YOUR PRODUCTS FOR LIFE I WILL NEVER FORGIVE ANY OF YOU
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:23 pmUN obligations: We don't have any. Pay later. Screw them as often as possible because they have no interest in soveriegn nations, their money comes from anything but that and, no, I don't want to hear how Kofi caused earthquakes and Tsunamis to make some money at the UN because, chances are, that is what he would do.
As far as UN laws, we have our own.
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:24 pmStupid republicans, they never learn.
You would think that after Al-Queda turned on us after we built them up to fight the russians, they would have learned. After supporting Sadam and iraq, giving them chemical weapons,they shouldhave learned.
But Noooo, these whack jobs do not have the brains to learn from their mistakes of the past. Thus they are doomed to repeat it.
So, On and on it goes.
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:25 pm11/ Abram Off should read jerk off - Typical Im alright jack keep your hand offa my stack
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:26 pm"Tens of thousands of people took to the streets of Mogadishu on Friday angrily condemning the United States for supporting warlords"
Didn't tens of thousands angrily take to the streets when we opposed the warlords? Isn't that how Black Hawk Down happened? Mayhaps its time to just leave the region completely.
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:27 pmHilarious... Fox news decides that an important 'story' to talk about now is about Bush being better with the Economy than Clinton. Yep... they are at it again, trying to compare presidents. Why this is so important to them, I don't know. In case you are wondering, they claim that even though Clinton enjoyed a few lower numbers with the unemployment rate, Clinton did not have to deal with 9/11, 2 wars, and the 'natural' disaster, Katrina. (My reason for putting natural in quotes is because the disaster wasn't the hurricane, the disaster was the ill-prepared coast which killed people and destroyed homes - and that disaster is NOT natural.) And really... to say that Clinton didn't have to deal with 9/11 amd 2 wars is a backhanded complement to Bush. Because it was under Bush;s watch that we found ourselves in these messes! Anyways... just wanted to point that out.
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:27 pm9/ even better watch this
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:33 pmi agree with #3 i spend the least amount of time as possible in the usa; bush is gonna have the entire world hating the usa and its peoples really soon if he hasnt already.
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:40 pm8 : I lost both my grandparents to the war with germany - I forgive Germany totally , Hitler probably was trying to do what Bush is now trying to acheive, BUT the times were different then there was no UN protecting us as there is now.
The US has repeatedly acted to undermine peace and human rights initiatives at the United Nations, routinely voting against hundreds of UN resolutions and treaties. The US easily has the worst record of any nation on not supporting UN treaties. In almost all of its hundreds of “no†votes, the US was the “sole†nation to vote no (among the 100–130 nations that usually vote), and among only 1 or 2 other nations voting no the rest of the time.
Please anybody explain why in this day and age America has such appauling UN record on this link
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:46 pmBush is supporting the warlords that killed American soldiers less than 10 years ago. Brilliant. Simply Brilliant. If that is treason, what is?
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:48 pmHere's a fine example of leadership and mission accomplished under this presidents term.
CLICK HERE
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:49 pmSo secular is good when it suits Georgie's own purposes? Hmmm...
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:57 pmWhat's really horrendous about this is that many of those who are the most ardent supporters of using the US Army abroad as a tool to further America's interests (not mine, somebodies, I guess) use the Blackhawk Down episode as a reason. ie - because our troops were so badly "disgraced" by losing a couple helicopters and several good men (and they were good men, I'm not being sarcastic), especially the dragging the bodies through the streets of Mogadishu..
1) they blame Clinton (don't they for everything?)
2) are the biggest supporters of dumbya (go to any rightie site and see for yourself)
3) they feel we need to take on the world to "regain" our credibility.
Chickenhawks, 101st keyboarders...all of 'em. Notice those very same TOOLS won't join up themselves, but will question anyone elses patriotism or manhood because they don't believe in the hypocracy the bushies are in a foaming at the mouth frenzy over. And bushco is paying these same warlords to continue to fight against a centralized government.
I'll be damned. Now I think I've seen it all.
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:57 pm#21 - Try not to encourage it...shhh...
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:58 pmLooks like we have found the next location to send American troops. The war to liberate the world is ongoing. Maybe the US can sacrifice around 2,500 troops to liberate Somalia. Then onto Libya, Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, China.....we have the will and the manpower.
So let's roll.
Come on Chickenhawks, get on board the "Democracy Express".
-GSD
June 2nd, 2006 at 4:59 pmI’ll be damned. Now I think I’ve seen it all.
Comment by kindness
Please don't say that -- they'll surely come up with something more...
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:00 pmIt's too frightening to contemplate.
Why aren't tens of thousands of Americans take to the streets in protest of this Administration?
It truly is time to take our country out of this a$$holes hands.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:00 pm#28 - We could learn something from the Somalis and immigrants in terms of organizing protests -- minus the violence in the Somali protests, of course.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:02 pmWhy aren’t tens of thousands of Americans take to the streets in protest of this Administration?
Comment by trueblue — June 2, 2006 @ 5:00 pm
Can't. Survivor is on... or is it a rerun of Desperate Housewives?
Not painful enough yet. The mentaility is better to let them kill people over there than over here. Shhh... we have to be very quiet so they don't notice us here. Just don't make eye contact or loud noises and maybe they will leave us to our worship of Wal-Mart and massive credit card debt that they encouarge us to have with corporate welfare allowing billions to be spent on propaganda...
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:07 pmwho will come and liberate the us from this tyranny
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:09 pmZookeeper,
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:10 pmAll of this technology and instant access, and the average American is too wrapped up in their own little world to see just how bad it's gotten.
Sad. We're a bunch of fat,lazy (physically and mentally), Americans.
...Present company on TP excluded, of course.......
I hear ya JD! its frustrating to be one of the few who see the writing on the wall and have everyone else thing yer a nut job.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:13 pmI hear ya JD! its frustrating to be one of the few who sees the writing on the wall and have everyone else think yer a nut job.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:13 pmYou hit it right on the head, Unbelievable.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:14 pmJane,
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:21 pmYou and Wayne really need a computer at home!
You both add so much to the conversation.
Tobey,
As an american citizen, I am equally mortified at what has become of my country. In six short years, we have managed to piss off the entire world, destroy any moral credibility, and we're less safe. Heckuva job, Red America, don't let the door hit you in the a** on the way out. Time for American regime change. Anyone else downright angry?
t-mac
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:26 pmThanks, trueblue! By the end of the summer, we should be all hooked up. Had to get rid of some debts first.
I really have to run, Wayne gets worried so easily! I'll pass your comment along to him. And don't forget, I/we may still take you up on your "happy place" offer! :D
Everyone have a good weekend!
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:31 pmYEA!!! Jane and Wayne, partying on Cape Cod with 'ol True Blue!!
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:35 pmBetter take a seat, Prime Minister.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:36 pmOk, "moonbat" thought:
Things keep going this way and we'll all (TP'ers) be partying together at Gitmo!
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:38 pmAnyone else downright angry?
t-mac
Yes -- furious. I have always been proud to be an American, but now I'm embarassed for this country. GWB & Co have ruined us.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:43 pmTo all you Liberal minded folks in America from Tobey Tall
I must Apologize for some of my remarks over time - sorry
I Know there are good americans among you
About 20 years ago on a train journey i had a go (verbally) at an american his words were
America has the money F**K you
America has the power F**K you
And with your attitude if they dont F**K you , you will only F**Kyourself
I know this to be true, Your country is getting to me big time
I hope You Liberals can do something about your country and make it great in the future
Although I will be still boycotting your goods for some time, I really hope I get the chance to bring my Kids to disneyworld one day.
Best wishes from Scotland
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:46 pm#45 - Thanks Tobey, we hope you will bring your kids to Disney World. We're not all ugly Americans.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:48 pmT-mac,
I'm also furious.
I think of Clinton being swarmed by well-wishers wherever he went.
Hell, the man still gets standing ovations just for entering a room. Even a funeral!
Then there's Idiot Boy. Everyone hates us now, because of this moron.
I'm no longer proud to be an American. I feel like apologizing to every citizen of Earth.
We really have to get rid of him.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:50 pmWhy the hell did I look at those photos from #9. I would like to think I have more kahoneys to face it. But man, now I feel crappy, I have kids. Is this war shit really that necessary, f^ck I am pissed now.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:53 pmTobey Tall,
Can we come live in your country? :)
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:56 pmA Repost of mine
Looking at history, I have found a standard operating procedure that the US follows to grab a country's economic wealth and resources. They have been honed since Iran in 1953. It hit full stride in Vietnam. The breaking up of thef former Yugoslavia went practically unnoticed. Liberia did go unnoticed. Vietnam, El Salvador and many parts of Central America provided expertise on torturing the citizenry to death. Military support has practically been an on going exercies since the Carter administration.
1: get desired country hooked on money
Using economic hit men from large corporation, promise funds to build up country for capitalism from IMF, World Bank, other banks and corporate financing. Once established, tell country that credit is bad and jack up interest rates and force monetary and idealogical concessions.
2: create Chaos from small armed sqirmishes to death squads that are financed, armed and trained by NSA (CIA and Defense special/black ops). NSA will start the slaughter to bring about ethnic tension through confusing killings, torture... Later, the US psychopaths will have trained local military/police units made up of the countries worst killer and ratchet up the killing.
3: add military operations to armed, divide and conquer chaos. If necessary, the military will make their presence on the ground and possibly permanent. Expect all illegal weapons use from cluster bombs, defoliation agents and napalm as well as new weapons of mass suffering such as depleted uranium, smaller cluster grenades...
Some people are shocked at what has happened and some don't think it is possible for the US to do so. However, any conflict that has involved the US has followed the same pattern for over a half a century. I would recommend to people to read what the structure of the National Security Act has done to the checks and balances of America and research what this group does.
Moyers "The Secret Government" PBS video, done in 1987 is very good and can be found at video.google.com/videoplay? docid=2397496401234089687&q=secret
Created in 1987, it shows that the NSA has been used for the expansion of the American Empire, operating outside of the legitimate part of the US government.
Another major problem is that the media and political groups are bedfellows. Colbert told it like it is and the press couldn't handle it. That is the big news of the year so far. Our free press is bought and paid for to pimp for our government rather than investigate it and keep it honest and keep Americans informed.
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:57 pm#43 - Things keep going this way and we’ll all (TP’ers) be partying together at Gitmo!
Comment by trueblue
I wouldn't want to do it now, but when I was 10 my family lived in Gitmo (my dad was in the Navy), and a bunch of really cute sailors from his shop came to our house, dug a pit in the coral rock in the backyard, and we roasted a pig. Delicious! But it wouldn't be the same now. Zoo Jr says, You lived there? I tell him we had a nice duplex, not a tent surrounded by barbed wire. *sigh*
June 2nd, 2006 at 5:57 pmHi For Truth,
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:00 pmMy daughter poked her head in my room right after I saw the photos.
Her first words when she saw me were, "What's wrong?"
I started to cry.
They are horrific.
And we did that.
I'm pretty pissed myself.
Good one. Ohhh, you meant it for real, Prime Minister? US would have to be born again and probably to be refounded by scandinavians, not white protestants looking for witches.
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:00 pmHow times have changed, Zookeeper!
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:04 pm...cute sailors, you say.... ;-)
#9 I saw them too. What are we?
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:04 pmAmericans are taught to think that other people around the world are less of a human being than they are. The military takes this thinking to an extreme using terms like "monkeys", "gooks" and "rag heads" to make the opposition look down right subhuman. THIS IS NOT THE SOLDIER'S FAULT. Once again, this kind of "mindfvk" comes from the top. The people running these wars are liars that get on the MSM and fill people's ears with BS. Does anyone have an idea why these terms been used since fighting the Japanese in WW II? (retorical question)
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:05 pmDoes anyone know anything about Gonzalez tamping down Pat Fitzgerald's authority (given to him by Comey) and preventing the Rove indictment from being unsealed a few weeks ago? What gives already? If this is true, Gonzalez will be going to jail, hopefully with Rove, Cheney, Libby and whomever took Comey's place at the Justice dept.
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:06 pm46# would love to one day
47# techically hes our prime minister but my region has been SNP for 20 years , Blair also cheats at elections only 35% voted for him and he has 60 seats more than any other parties together , Blair also promised proportional representaion when he got in power , at local council elections about a month ago tories got 40% Lib dems 27% and then blair got 26% - - - I know im calling the kettle black BUT we repect the UN more than your country , also our troop do knock on Iraqies doors before entering....anyway YES im ashamed of the UK too
50# and your welcome here,
and to TP I also apologize as I have been using your site to vent my Anger at America
once again sorry
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:10 pm#55 - …cute sailors, you say…. ;-)
Comment by trueblue
You have no idea, I was only 10, and yet I could still appreciate the fine view. ;)
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:13 pmI am sorry to tell you this, guys. I know you are very fond of your army and their courage, and the way you think they protect you (from who exactly? ahhh, terrorism...whatever that is), and the way you stand up at baseball´s 7th inning, and cheer at the roaring F-15´s while listening to Van Halen´s or other strident electric guitar group...(This appeared in a The Simpson´s chapter) but to say that war is hell and pretend to understand the atrocities commited by saying your guys with big machine guns, it is pretty much to agree with the carnage.
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:15 pmTRue Blue,
I appreciate the understanding.
#57 Just Plain Mad
I would like to answer the retorical question.
In order for a normal person to be capable of killing, the "enemy" first has to be de-humanized. Thus the use of terms like "gooks" "ragheads" etc. which removes the idea that they are people. Without this process, the killing would be difficult if not impossible.
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:18 pmTobey Tall,
I wouldn't be so sorry. We (USA) deserve it.
It's just that this is a liberal site and we agree with you!!!
It's good that we experience some of the world's ire.
If for nothing else, it lets us know that we are fighting the good fight, that we aren't just "those crazy liberals." We ALL need to keep saying, "This is NOT OKAY."
and thanks for the invite, when do we move in? ;-)
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:18 pmPictures of what DU is doing to children are the most upsetting and sickening to me. It is also sickening to think what it is doing to both Americans and Iraqis on the ground. Pictures from the international commuity are available from a wide range of sources and show more of the same with men, women and children with their limbs shot off or their brains hanging out of their head and sometimes just limbs, torsos and stuff. As bad as this is, I must admit, the pictures of suicide bombings are worse, but the most pathetic of all was the use of white phosphorus in Fallujah. Even the pets and rodent were dead everywhere.
The Australian SBS and ABC and Japanese news have done a superior job of keeping their people informed and will even discuss these topics along with video documentaries. Where is the US MSM? Oh that's right, their owned by military interests directly or indirectly!
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:19 pmbut to say that war is hell and pretend to understand the atrocities commited by saying your guys with big machine guns, it is pretty much to agree with the carnage.
What did you try to say???? Will you people here, please speak spanish so I dont post anymore orthographical mistakes?
I tried to say, that saying that soldiers are nervous or filled with anxiety dont ever justify the killings. War is hell, yeah. But a human is a human, no matter what.
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:22 pmand thanks for the invite, when do we move in? ;-)
Comment by trueblue
But that doesn't mean we have to eat haggis, does it?
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:23 pmThere are a few in this discussion that have not figured out that America was lied to in order to send our troops into Iraq. According to the Zogby poll on 911, 44% still believe this garbage. Interestingly, there are a few in congress that are on the record that can state that Gulf War I was started by lies and sold to the American people too. Ron Paul is one of the few people that is anti-war, anti-empire that I feel I can trust what he says. Jeffords of VT is a decent senator as well. IMHO, they may be the only independent thinkers that represent their people over special interests in the halls of our Legislative body.
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:26 pmhttp://my.earthlink.net/article/top?guid=20060602/447fb7c0_3ca6_1552620060602-8877685
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:32 pmMiltary investigation -CLEARED of wrongdoing despite footage of slain children. (NOT Haditha. ANOTHER probe. I was so mad I just copied without getting the name of this carnage site.)
I hope you can access it.
#69 That is really bad. For other people like me, war exists only in books, Playstation and CNN. I guess it doesnt matter what government should present as a cause for going to war, in Latinamerica it would be almost unthinkable (primarily because of poverty, corruption and other nice issues) that people would accept it. On the other hand, I see in you an almost inexorable disposition to solve conflicts with military interventions...not just your Government, but US citizens have this idea about global leadership that was given to you by I dont know who and therefore you think it is certainly ok to protect this self-built status.
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:37 pmBy the way, I admire Michael Moore, Chomsky, your working class and your universities.
I need a "sanity break"
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:44 pmBe back soon.
Although I will be still boycotting your goods for some time.
Comment by Tobey tall — June 2, 2006 @ 5:46 pm
I buy Citgo gas (Venezuela)
My pet food and medicine from Canada Vet
My credit card is with HSBC (Canadian Bank)
And I live here. You're not alone.
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:50 pmThings keep going this way and we’ll all (TP’ers) be partying together at Gitmo!
Comment by trueblue — June 2, 2006 @ 5:38 pm
They are building us a new facility down there as we speak :)
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:52 pm"Do you think that even if we manage to get Bush impeached, the rest of the world would think more highly of us?" - a dear sweet prog
*****Who cares????????????? As usual, this NEED to be liked is pathetic. This conversation reminds me of the 3rd grade girls conversations on the playground. When Progs realize the ONLY way the "rest of the world" will like the US is when we are down on our knees - groveling. (Hint: They were SO sympathetic after 9/11 because they thought our economuy may have been dealt a much more serious blow than it was.) But they will think you are on the right track if:
June 2nd, 2006 at 6:55 pma.) not only do your impeach BUT.... you CONVICT.
b.) guarantee universal health care for every man, woman, and child here - legal or illegal.
c.) guarantee free education from pre-school through graduate school
d.) guarantee 30 hour work weeks and 6 weeks paid vacation a year
e.) a guaranteed income and home for everyone, regardless of addiction or rap sheet
e.) 40 acres
f.) a mule
g.) a chicken in every pot - except the vegans. (We will happily substitute firm tofu.)
It's a start, Mighty Hag, it's only you who has so little faith in humanity.
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:00 pm*raspberry*
Once again, Mighty appears to be confusing an expression of a thought or emotion. It's the need to avoid conflict, negative interactions, negative consequences of our actions, so they don't come back to roost on us. But once again I wouldn't expect MightyDog to understand something that isn't in plain black or white.
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:00 pm#78 - I wouldn't either, hence the *raspberry* ;)
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:02 pmMighty its not a need to be liked, like you need, it's a need to feel like everyone else isn't out to kill you. And Mighty, you think being civil is "down on your knees groveling". Get over your need to be a pompous ass. (I bet Mighty has been down on her knees a few times though).
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:04 pmUS clears troops in Ishaqi killings
A US military probe has exonerated US troops in the deaths of Iraqi civilians in Ishaqi north of Baghdad in March.
http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:08 pm#81, Tobey,
That was the story I tried to link up in my #70 post. Isn't it an atrocity? No wonder you, and the rest of the world, has had it with us.
"The Greatest Nation" brought down by a 92 IQ FAILURE.
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:23 pmDisgusting.
Visiting Progressive Democrats of america allows one to see the error of conservative thinking. (All prog talking points are there and they are heart-warming!) I do have a question - why do progressives refer to themselves as progressive instead of socialists?
But now, lets continue on the path of "social justice and equality".
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:27 pma.) ALL war is EVIL. Peaceful solutions and compromises can always be reached as human are rational and wish to preserve themselves.
b.) an index board of dedicated bureaucrats should immediately begin assessing how much work is worth. ANY amount considered "obscene enrichment " by the board will be confiscated for the "public good".
c.) closed borders discriminate against non-citizens - let's advocate for OPEN borders NOW.
d.) let's convert our military might and money into housing and health care for the economically disadvantaged.
e,) Universal pre-school will aid in the socialization of pre-school children and will negate unhealthy familial or religious influences.
f.) let's dismantle the racist federal and state prison system. Can you imagine how much good that money could do if we only teach our "incorrigible" citizens and non-citizens proper socialist skills?
g.) Eminent Professor Peter Singer's model of sentience should be the adopted model of how we interact with all species.
the way forward is the UN
Kofi Annan should resign and install a nobel peace prize winner
wait for regime change in the USA
Find a Strong Honest new leader of the USA as Neil young Prescribes
look after your countrymen in all their needs
rewrite a better constitution
Then respect the Un and sign all sensible treaties
Join all human rights programs, the haque and Kyoto
Disarm the world with Un weapons inspectors
send everybody Chocolates and free disney passes and were sorry cards
Turn this world into the garden of eden
and we will respect what you have done
its so easy to type it , must be equally easy to perform these wishes soon
War will not be happening in 8 days as the world cup starts and lasts for a few weeks
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:27 pmand Blair will Not be amused if there a war during this football competition or will the planet
Thank you For Truth - but I am a little confused. Why do 8 out of 10 progressives mention the "low opinion of the world" if they did not have a need to be liked, or at least , respected? I suppose I have a slightly different view, undoubtedly formed by my upbringing. IF you like me - great. IF you don't - I don't care. But as a conservative, I'm working on wanting everyone to like me, TOO! Is it frustrating for those of you who realize that not everyone likes everyone else? What can be done to alleviate this sad situation???
An aside: Has TP organized a campaign to convince our Russian and Chinese allies to help with pressuring Iran?? I think their stance seems a trifle self-serving, don't you?
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:36 pmDear Tobey - Maybe the great economic engine of Scotland can answer a consumer request for you and build a Disney World in the UK? Think about it - you wouldn't have to put up with arrogant Americans, you could keep your purchasing power on your home turf, you wouldn't waste valuable resources getting here and endangering the planet and your kids wouldn't whine "are we there yet?"
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:47 pm#48 - "I’m no longer proud to be an American. I feel like apologizing to every citizen of Earth...." - Comment by trueblue
******I'm trying to understand your angst and anguish. Apologizing to everyone on the planet WOULD help alleviate your apparent and excruciating guilt. There are so many wonderful progressive places you might find true comradeship - it's really just SO sad to see you SO miserable.....
June 2nd, 2006 at 7:59 pmha ha Im tired
To be honest most people dislike Americans
BUT WE DO KNOW there are good Americans
its a shame we generalise or categorize
The good ones get tarred with the same brush as the bad ones
If only John Lennon, Gandhi or princess Diana were alive things would be better by now
Chow for now
June 2nd, 2006 at 8:00 pmall you have to do is get the bad ones tarred with the good ones ??
June 2nd, 2006 at 8:08 pmI wonder why TP has no stories on the Iraq killings? Every news channel is on it, particularly the new one, and no articles here?
Seems odd.
June 2nd, 2006 at 8:17 pmit’s really just SO sad to see you SO miserable…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 2, 2006 @ 7:59 pm
Just keep yappin.
Sooner or later reality is gonna set in, if you have half the brain you claim to.
When it does, you'll understand misery, and I predict you will be more empathetic to those with a conscience.
June 2nd, 2006 at 8:21 pmThank you Worfeus!!! "...those with a conscience" - I trust this term refers to empathetic progressives as conservatives are depicted here WITHOUT A CONSCIENCE? I think I'm catching on.....Do you think re-education camps could help un-elightened conservatives??
A aside for Tobey - does your reference to "chow" mean it's dinner time or "good-bye"?
Ciao....
June 2nd, 2006 at 8:45 pmBeing an american makes me sad now :(
pacman.net
June 2nd, 2006 at 8:45 pm…..Do you think re-education camps could help un-elightened conservatives
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 2, 2006 @ 8:45 pm
Gee I don't know.
Why don't you start one, check yourself in and let us know how it works out?
June 2nd, 2006 at 8:47 pmSaying something stupid like that just goes to show how very little you know about me MA.
June 2nd, 2006 at 8:49 pmMighty is a sociopath who was stunted in formation...so (s)he only rants it's bile here instead of working it out in reality
June 2nd, 2006 at 10:33 pmMore of the Bush Doctrine of diplomacy and statesmanship.
June 2nd, 2006 at 10:38 pmWhen I read the first reports in the WAPO I was stunned that we would be so stupid; then I remembered the people who are in charge.
Before he leaves office, we will be universally hated; we will be targets.
This is the modus operandi of this screwed up adminstration - secret alliances with corrupt dictators (I wonder who is lining up for the first go at Somali oil contracts this time around). You want a good history of the British-American oil junta, check out Robert Newman's hilarious take on the past century: The World History of Oil.
June 2nd, 2006 at 11:18 pm#98 - Heh.
June 2nd, 2006 at 11:31 pmThis is a dangerous game. Somalia is not a stable place and we want the U.S. in Somalia. But in a more constructive way.â€
Stable and Constructive? Wha? Are you joking?
June 2nd, 2006 at 11:59 pmBush has never been either one.
I suppose your also expecting the Aliens to come down to earth, stick a probe in George, and have him taken on a mars mission?
The policy of supporting the “enemy of the enemy†is further destabilizing Somalia, but a shift in policy is unlikely.
Further destabilizing Somalia? It's been complete chaos there since 1991. Where the hell have you been?
The Islamist terrorists gained favor by providing services, but have since become armed with the support of international terrorism, some from within Saudia Arabia. They have now taken control of large areas and are not respecting truces. So you have two options: appease the terrorist militias or support the only factions in Somalia that can fight them off. But the ant-terror alliance has been getting their butts kicked even with supposed US backing. So...what do you do?
Let me guess. TP's policy is to understand (appease) the terrorists.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:17 amLet me guess. TP’s policy is to understand (appease) the terrorists.
Comment by memphis minnie — June 3, 2006 @ 12:17 am
How about getting the Saudi's (you know the kings and princes Bush likes to hold hands with) to stop funding the islamofascists
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:22 amMightyTeabagger,
The entire reason why this blog is here, and all the arguing is going on, all the points and counterpoints, is because its all about what everyones' perceptions of everything are. You wouldn't be here if you didn't care what others thought of you. The war of perception is everything as your mind, and my mind act on our perceptions of the world, which obviously differ greatly.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:24 amT-MAC... hi sonny!!! as you know from our discussions i am very very angry about the continued disastrous foreign policy. more and more i think isolationism for a period of time where we worry only about the affairs at home is in order. after Goober leaves office we all have a very big job to do!! Lets just work on the issues we have. Kick the lobbyists out and make it a felony if a politician talks,party's or even thinks about taking money or influence from lobbyists. work on enfranshising all americans. work on health care and a solution to our addiction to oil. we have lots to do we just need to get rid of the evil doers and get on with getting America back in business!! the glass is half full! lets do it! kiss the girls for me!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:25 am#104 I agree with you a lot!!! In fact, US should consider ALL destabilized regions in the world and get involved in stabilizing them like Georgia, the Balcans (wait, that already happened and went very well as always), Guatemala, Iraq...ahh, well, you are already there, France (some weeks ago), Perú (you know how these Incans envy your freedom and Florida-type democracy), my bedroom and the Pisa tower, of course.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:27 amMinnie...learn a lesson, please. Dont ever thread on people.
It's not just the Saudis clif, it's numerous groups including al qaeda. Heard of them?
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:29 am#92 Yawwwwwnnnn.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:29 amYes Minnie..the Bush's and Bin Ladens were in business together in Carlyle until a little thing happened in NYC and DC back in Sept 2001
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:45 amCarlyle? The group that George Soros was partners with for the tune of $100,000,000. Do you think Soros is connected to al qaeda, clif? Do you also believe in little green men like John Podesta? Are you a SLR?
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:56 amNo minnie but make jokes while others do your fighting..... the idiot in chief is supporting the same people who dragged our soldiers burned bodies thru the streets and you make jokes....how approiate...how Rush Limpballs Bill O'Liely of you
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:03 amWhile clif hits his bong, this is why it's important to take out al qaeda in Somalia. No matter what else happens. They have been attacking Somalialand, the northern area of Somalia where there is relative order...
October 2004
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:05 amhttp://www.afrol.com/articles/18552
2003 [mistype]
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:07 amNo OIL in Somalia that I know about, so the Bush Regime will not do much there to help anybody~!
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:11 amWe've been seriously fighting al qaeda there since 2002, jay. But along with al qaeda, oil is an issue. China is striking deals, grabbing a lot of oil and influence.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:15 amMinnie unlike the coke head in chief..or rush the addict...I do not hit a bong...as for Al Queada being there...well it might not have happened if the Congress hadn't been all over Clinton to get out like they did here...
This is what the conservative “National Review†wrote in its Nov. 29, 1993 issue about the GOP push to cut and run from Somalia:
“We find ourselves in the strange position of admiring the eloquence of Mr. Clinton’s ringing reaffirmation of Executive authority as he beat back the various amendments by Senaters Dole and Helms, Representative Gilman, et al. (On November 3, the House Foreign Affairs Committee narrowly defeated, by 22 to 21, a Republican resolution seeking to accelerate U.S. withdrawal from Somalia.)â€.
And since the Nation Review was praising Clinton for wanting to stay and clear up the mess and the repugs wanted to...CUT AND RUN ...who aided the Al Queada like they did under Reagan when they got their start...and under Bush 41 when he left afghanistan to them?
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:22 amSo post 117 > you are saying that Somalia has OIL? And China wants it? Well that must be the reason Bush helps some militia trash in that nation?!
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:24 am#106 - ForTruth, I hope you don't mind, but I'm going start using "MightyTeabagger" instead of MightyHag when I address it. So much more appropriate, since I was feeling remorse over insulting hags.
I do hope you feel sorry that I laughed so hard I got tea up my nose. :D
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:47 pmrepugs wanted to…CUT AND RUN
So did Jack Murtha. They were wrong then and JAck's still wrong today. But Clinton actually decided to withdraw from Somalia before congress voted to cease funding the operation which was turing from a UN humanitarian effort into an all out war.
So, do you still agree with Jack knowing what you know now?
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:21 pmAnd that was a congress controlled by Democrats. Lame try at scapegoating, bong hit clif.
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:24 pmWhy should we expect our foreign policy to work in Somalia? The United Stated has based a large part -- if not the entirety -- of its foreign policy on "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" for not just years but decades and we've seen example after example blow up in our faces. We used in Iran when we helped return the Shah of Iran to power in 1953 in defiance of the democratically-elected Prime Minister...we used it in Iraq when they were at war with Iran and provided them with weapons (anyone remember that picture of Hussein and Chummy Rummy?)...we used it in Afghanistan when we did the same for the Mujahideen when they were fighting the Russians...and look at what's happened to us since then as a result of this interference. No, folks...history should have taught us by now that the enemy of my enemy is not only NOT my friend, he may in the end turn out to be just as bad (or maybe even worse) enemy that the one I'm fighting now. Unfortunately, as George Santanaya once said, "those who refuse to learn from the past are condemed to repeat it."
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:42 pmAfter whining on various threads about Murtha's so-called cut-and-run tactics for Somalia, which were actually supported by major Repubs of the time like Bob Dole and Jesse Helms, I thought Mighty Hypocrite might have the good sense to shut up about Bush's support for the corrupt warlords there. I was wrong to think Mighty Hypocrite might still have a shred of decency. But, of course, instead of discussing Somalia, he tried to divert the discussion by bringing up some crazy ideas espoused by one obscure leftist group to tell us that's what we all think. (I, first of all, don't need someone else--particularly someone I've never met--to tell me what I think.) By Mighty's standards, I suppose we can say that he, like the not-so-obscure David Duke on the right, believes that the Holocaust never happened (I'm sure Mighty's Jewish mom would go along with that one), or, like former GOP Presidential candidate Pat Buchanan that Hitler did some good things.
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:52 pmIn any case, I--and probably all of the posters here--realize that some people do belong in prison, such as rapists, murderers, the Enron crooks, Tom Delay and the Congressman that Mighty supported until recently: Randy Cunningham.
Is memphis minnie the mighty aphrodite? Must be one and the same male drag queen who masquerades as a female on TP threads > lol.
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:45 pm#127 - Why so mean to drag queens, Jay? ;)
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:45 pmPoor Poor memphis Mimmie mouth...she can't remember back an administration or two...who actually funded Al Queada and then left a destroyed Afghanistan to them..and who accused Clinton of letting Al Quaeda to chase us out of Somilia...now THEY ARE IN BED WITH THOSE WARLORDS and seems Al Quaeda is not the warlords friends are they?
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:47 pmPost 128 > I have nothing against drag queens unless they are Republican or Mighty Moron the Bush lover troll > lol.
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:22 pmPayson, small thing, but it's "Somalis".
June 5th, 2006 at 7:15 am[...] Payson at Think Progress states “the policy of supporting the “enemy of the enemy†is further destabilizing Somalia, but a shift in policy is unlikely.” Why should there have been a change in policy? Is not the overwhelming U.S. foreign policy in terms of terrorism to confront it and advocate change to prevent radical Islam from taking a foothold anywhere? That is precisely what the covert plan was designed to do. [...]
June 5th, 2006 at 2:49 pm