President Bush used his radio address this weekend to lend his support to the Marriage Protection Amendment, a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. This paragraph stuck out:
A constitutional amendment will put a decision that is critical to American families and American society in the hands of the American people, which is exactly where it belongs. Democracy, not court orders, should decide the future of marriage in America.
This statement is endemic of a larger problem in the Bush administration – the failure to recognize the judiciary as a co-equal branch of American democracy. Courts are tasked with enforcing laws that are the will of the people, as expressed through the legislative and executive branches.
President Bush has every right to support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. But, in doing so, he is no more a supporter of democracy than those who would leave this question up to the states.
Maybe before we start amending the constitution, we should brush up on basic civics.
Hey Mary Cheney, how about the Re-election now? Nice job, are you happy to be co-equal with the troll under the bridge in Bush’s eyes now? How are the book sales? Are lots of friendly conservative Christians buying up your book and offering you love and support?
Didn’t think so.
-GSD
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:42 amCourts don’t enforce the law; they interpret it. Even the second link says so. Brush up on basic civics, ehh? :-)
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:48 amWho are we to legislate whom someone can or cannot love?
Did marriage originate with the Church, or the State?
If the Church, then defining marriage is a Church issue, and Amending the Constitution to define marriage puts the State in the position of regulating religion.
If the State, then defining marriage based upon gender is gender discrimination and a violation of the Equal Protection clause of the 14th Amendment.
In either case, passing this Amendment causes the Constitution to be in conflict with itself. Thus far, the Supreme Court has not had to deal with an unconstitutional Constitutional Amendment. Thus far, the American people have yet to Amend the Constitution to make discrimination the Supreme Law of the Land.
Those who foster their bigotry and intolerance in the Name of Christ upon the rest of us are becoming more and more isolated by their own hatred. The last I checked, the Pledge of Allegiance still ended with the phrase, “One Nation….with liberty and justice for all.”
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:49 am“Courts are tasked with enforcing laws that are the will of the people, as expressed through the legislative and executive branches.”
Almost, but not quite. Courts are tasked with interpreting laws that are the will of the people. The executive is tasked with enforcing the laws, and the judgment of the courts.
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:49 amDemocracy, not court orders should elect a president, but that didn’t happen. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors–”look over there–while I take what I want and feed your gutted remains to the Christian jackals” is the message behind the mouth
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:50 amTry filling in the blank with race relations, or sufferage, or any freedom that small-minded bigots seek to repress.
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:50 amwhats really happening in the world that this trollop takes its place
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:52 amThe last I checked, the Pledge of Allegiance still ended with the phrase, “One Nation….with liberty and justice for all.â€
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 3, 2006 @ 11:49 am
you forgot “indivisible” - the one word that should have been the most important part of that line, instead of trying to divide us by adding the “under god” notion… sad…
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:03 pmHe’s pretty much made a hash out of Iraq, now it’s on to bigger fish.
Dubya won’t stop until he fosters the same internacine hatred here.
This, friends, is not a good man. And he is a dangerous and pathetic excuse for a president.
Contrition, Crawford Style
…Standing in front of the nation and beside what’s left of Tony Bair, Bush admitted that he’s just too damn manly. Bush says it was the “tough talk,†that stands out among mistakes. You know, the “bring it on,†“wanted dead or alive†crap.
The President let his inner cowboy out and he’s sorry for sending the “wrong signals.†Signals are important to this caballero. There’s no “Brokeback†in his Baghdad policy…
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:05 pmRead an analysis of the Bush / Rove strategy that points out that despite the grumbling from many far right Republicans, the vote on the marriage amendment, even though it won’t pass, is part of a calculated effort to turn out record numbers of conservative voters in November…here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:10 pmIt would be more appropriate to say Courts are tasked with interpreting the laws that are enacted by the legislative branch and enforced by the executive branch. The crucial function of the Courts is to interpret the laws consistent with the Constitution.
What happens when the Constitution says,
and
and
when a Church supports gay marriage,
a situtation is created where the Constitution invalidates a tenet of a mainstream Christian Church. This Amendment, were it merely a statute, would be unconstitutional (assuming 5 out of 9 Supreme Court Justices agree with the above analysis).
This proposed Amendment is a reaction to Federal Judges’ reading the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment as prohibiting gender discrimination when it comes to State regulation of marriage. Those judges have been labled “activist” because they seek to protect the rights of the minority in face of discrimination fostered by the majority in power. They are to be commended.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:14 pm#11
IMHO;;BEING GAY IS A CHOICE.
Comment by ANVILHEAD — June 3, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
So tell us…at what point in your life did you choose to be a heterosexual?
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:16 pmIn a nutshell, republicans in power spew messages of hate to rile up their base. It’s all just a smokescreen to take our minds off of what they are really up to.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:18 pmNo doubt President Bush supports the rumored “Wildlife Protection Act” supposedly sponsored by Senators Rick Santorum and John Cornyn:
Bans marriage between a man and a dog, box turtle or other mammal, fish, reptile or bird.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:19 pm#8 - Katy, I didn’t forget “indivisible” I just wanted to focus on the equality aspect of the “liberty and justice for all” part of the phrase.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:20 pmThe Constitution used to be all about the PROTECTION of individual rights but for the religious Right, that concept is so quaint and so pre-9/11. In a post 9/11 world, they must now amend the Constitution to DENY individual rights.
This country is still called America but if you think it is still the same country that you used to love and were proud of, your head is still up you’re a**.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmHow about an amendment to the Constitution banning pre-emptive war?
Psychiatrists and psychoanalysts are the first to admit the latent homosexual tendencies between occupational groups, such as postal workers, they all wear the same uniform. Members of Congress all wear suits that look the same. Members of the military with the exact look-alike uniforms. Members of gangs with the same colors, hats (ties), et cetera.
Especially, members of religious sects; like the priests in the Roman Catholic Church.
Forget about gay marriage, it’s dumb. We’re all married, if you think about it.
Have a freaking nice day in America. America is for the people, of the people, by the people, and devoid of the US government. Glad it’s gone to hell in a handbasket.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmQueen George the Dumb probably doesn’t even know what an amendment to that “God-damned piece of paper” consists of much less giving a shit about marriage or GLBTs. He read whatever somebody put on the paper for him. The somebody that decided the repugs would get more votes from the right-wing-nut rednecks and bigots than they would lose in the GLBT community.
The only legitimate amendment would be one that allows the American people the right to a vote of confidence in any elected official that abuses his/her office and makes impeachment/removal mandatory by the governing body.
That, my friend, would be a true democracy.
Click on Clyde to bash Bush!
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:25 pm#11 - THANK YOU!
You have provided us with an excellent example of the intolerance, ignorance and hatred that drives this issue.
It’s a nice day outside. Why don’t you and your like-minded buddies go on a fishing trip…..
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:25 pmThe real sad part of all of this is how conservatives fall for this bait every two to four years. There is probably a small minority of republican representatives that actually want to amend the constitution to back up their dogma, but most prefer to keep the issue unresolved so that they can use it as a wedge during elections. It is such an obviously shallow ploy, but sadly this shit works.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:26 pmOh, and ANVILHEAD, while you are at it, I want you to explain to me why and how same-sex marriage is going to directly or indirectly affect my marriage to my wife, with whom I’ve procreated a beautiful and intelligent young daughter.
I also want you to tell me how it’s going to affect my nephew’s relationship with his girlfriend, and vice-versa. They are at an impressionable young age of 18 & 17, respectively.
How about his twin brother, who currently does not have a girlfriend?
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:28 pmCourts don’t enforce the law; they interpret it. Even the second link says so. Brush up on basic civics, ehh? :-)
Comment by Joe
Ya that was a poor choice of words.
Better to have simply said, “The courts are tasked with ensuring that the will of the people as expressed by congress (and NOW the president with his signing statements) does not violate the Constitution.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmANVILHEAD - here are your PEOPLE!!!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmDemocracy invented by Athens citizens and they slept with women and men alike.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:32 pmThe irony to me is the title: “The Marriage Protection Amendment”…
I wasn’t aware that marriage was under attack.
I suppose it’s just another one of America’s obsessions with inanimate objects; War on Terror, War on Drugs, etc.
Not to mention the fact that there at least 4 billion more important things going on in the world for congress to worry about.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:33 pm# 11 ANVILHEAD. So you are curious, right?
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:38 pmThus far, the American people have yet to Amend the Constitution to make discrimination the Supreme Law of the Land.
Well there was that tiny issue with discriminating against people that like to drink alcohol…
Tell me if anyone knows… when was the last time a nonreligious fundamentalist group tried to pass a Constitutional Amendment against another group of Americans?
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:48 pmI’m guessing if you asked Bush to expound on basic civics, he’d say something about preferring the 5-speed stick to the automatic transmission.
June 3rd, 2006 at 12:53 pmWhat is odd, to me, is that many of these Lawyer groups, have worked to take power away from the Judiciary, and the Congress thru the Unitary Executive, and the Presidential signing statements mantra.
Heres the part I don’t get yet. If Bush issues all these, 750 over the last five years, signing statements, and they have, then, yet to go back to the Judiciary for Interpretation?
WTF? Its as if The Judiciary has hamstrung itself and congress?
But these Signing Statements, are still just floating around somewhere? No Vetoes to send the Bill back to Congress either.
What wil this process end up as being? What is the true agenda behind such a Judicial movement?
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:03 pmDear Boy King George,
Please mind your own business and stop trying to “protect” us.
Sincerely,
An adult American
P.S. Instead of being the Distractor in Chief, just head on down to Crawford, the brush is getting out of hand.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:08 pmthe word DEMOCRACY has been violated and bastardized and made to be a whore. every time Goober utters the word democracy i cringe and clench my jaws. this is not a deomocracy!! its a theocracy and when i hear his filthy mouth spout about the ‘amurican people’ and ’spreading democracy around the world’ i throw up a little in my mouth!! It is disgusting and vile that to spread democracy you have to kill people. PLEASE!!!! leave the world alone!! we dont even have a democracy here!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:10 pmAll ambiguosly single Conservative Republicans in support of the GWOQ(Global War On Queers) say “Aye”.
Condi Rice-Aye
Ken Mehlman-Aye
Josh Bolten-Aye
David Drier-Aye
Ary-Ann Coulter-Aye
Mary Cheney-Aye
Lyndsey Graham-Aye
The ayes have it.
-GSD
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:11 pmAs far as I’m concerned, those who don’t support gay marriage don’t believe in the principles our country was founded on.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:14 pmDemocracy means that people is in charge of making decisions in the government. Democracy was invented by very progressive athenians (is that the word?) which they all had slaves. What a contradiction.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:18 pmThe only good example of democracy I can think of right now are Scandinavians countries, which in fact are socialists-monarchists. Well, Socialism is a very old idea of what democracy should be. Do we really get to decide about the course of our democratic countries? Only when we vote, which is a nice, politically correct exercise of people deciding absolutely nothing and then, where´s democracy?
This is just the beginning of what Bush will do next. He will dismantel the civil rights bill all together. Soon things will be back to where minorities have no rights at all. Woman will have no rights and only live to marry and have children. Our problem with immigrates will end. We can go back to what made this country rich. Bring back slavery and let African Americans do what they did before work the fields and be owned by a master. Our jails will have no whites they will be released. No interracial marriage either. The KKK will regroup and rule. As Barbara Bush said these people are better off when we take care of them then with them having equality. As for the church will things will go back to normal just watch your kids. As we divid this country others will see that it will be no problem attacking the United States. As you have noticed over 1000 young men/women have left the US to Canada as they don’t want to go to Iraq. Oh for those who were sleeping the bill pasted for the draft for men/women ages 18 to 42. Cheney is planning on bombing Iran in June or early July. The shoots at the Rayburn building were shoots as a man was putting a small bomb ( Bush needed us to think we were being attacked to bring is poll numbers up) but two security guards folded the Bush plan. Notice there were two body bags brought out as our government said it was noise from constrution workers. As things go by the time Americans wise up to what’s been happening by the axis of evil it might be to late.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:26 pmGay marriage affirms love, enriches the institution. It is straight-line logic, the way most things in this universe work.
If we ban marriage for gay men and women, then are we not placing limits on human love?
After all, that is really why we are here, so that we may eventually triumph at whatever this game of life is, through love. Love over evil. We are being sorely tested.
Do what’s right, regardless of your feelings about homosexuality, and write your newspaper, your congress-person, your senator, and tell them to get on to the real issues. Especially tell that to your newspapers.
Everyone, get real.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:31 pmJudd, I do NOT disagree with your assertion that the Constitution sets forth three co-branches of government as the method of checks and balances. What you are neglecting to mention is the pervasive use of the courts by plaintiffs seeking to promote their social agendas.
The MO often begins with “cherry picking” judges whose ideology mirrors the plaintiffs and who has demostrated overtly or subtley this ideology in their decisions. These “maverick” loons regularly go against the vote of the people. Cases in point: Mt. Soledad cross in San Diego. 75% of San Diego voters voted to KEEP the 29′ cross on Mt. Soledad, which has had a cross on it since 1913. I propose we not force atheist-plaintiff Philip Paulson to be chained to the cross any longer, or have his eyelids peeled back and force his gaze to fall upon the offensive cross - (tongue in cheek for you humourless progs.) The whole point is that Mr. Paulson is not forced to accept other’s views - and we must respect his right as an atheist. The cross does not endorse Catholicism, or any of the Protestant faiths.
In another matter, five liberal judges eroded private property rights in Kelo, et al v. New London, CT. Three of the four justices often vilified by the Left, Scalia, Thomas, and Rehnquist, joined O’Conner in standing up to the small homeowner versus the government.
IF the proponents of gay marriage want to legalize these “unions, perhaps they should pressure their elected representatives to change the law. Or statewide referendums could take place - but THAT’s been done…
What it really comes down to are company insurance benefits, “family” leave, and entitlement programs. Period. People who love each other are free to live with whomever they wish, buy life insurance, purchase homes, make out a will and last testament, construct a living will, etc. It comes down to people trying to “normalize” what is not normal - or any of my business.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:34 pmThere should be working on an admendment that will never let an idiot become president of the united states of america.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:41 pm*SIGH*
Here we go again!
By gum this is Priority #1!
Ignore the ballooning deficit, the possibility of stalling economy, the declination of worker wages, the new Vietnam… Iraq… the new My Lai Massacre… the layers of scandals…
but by God… we’re not gunna let dem faggits get married!
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:49 pmWhat a disgrace it is that in this day and age, when we need a strong president and a proven leader, we have this lily-livered former cheerleader as our court appointed president.
The man has been a failure at everything he has touched, including this, his mandate, to lead the people of this great country.
In college he was known as LIPS because he was gay and gave blowjobs to his fellow classmates in return for cocaine and beer money. As a business man he was an abject failure.
He has a full 30% of the country with him in all things, so the next thing he wants is an amendment to the constitution banning gays from the rest of HIS society. He calls the courts “activists” when he is the biggest activist of all.
His only following are the oil company execs, the rich and powerful of this country, the corporate managers to whom he has given alms to time and time again, and the wealthiest 5% of the country. He has not given anything to the poor or the working people of this country, except for lower wages and lowered expectations.
He abandoned the religious people after they got him re-elected in 2004, and is now on his knees once again ready to service them. What a hypocrit!
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:53 pmI honestly think that Bush and his supporters have no idea what democracy really is. Honestly and truly clueless to the concept. You see it all the time in their rational for every decision they make.
Their view of democracy is a warped sense of “majority rules”. It is warped because they pick and chose the terms by which who is considered the majority and who isn’t. In their mind, it makes no difference that the majority of Americans support equal rigths for gays, they majority of loyal conservatives DOn’t and besides…the majority of Americans are straight so in their mind they have majority support.
When the people disagree with Bush on every single issue, Bush simply acts like the people are clueless idiots and says the majority of people who truly know what is going on backs him.
When everyone and their dog disagree with Bush he falls back on the excuse that since the majoiryt of the Senate and COngress back him, that is still a majority so he must be right and supported by America as a majority.
When you have no grasp on reality, and Democracy is considered to be little more than “might makes right”, then you end up with sociopathics ideologues who would rather push America more towards a dictatorship than a true Democracy. Bush doesn’t want the people to have a voice and control, because he has nothing but spite for the average person. Bush is a spoiled brat of priveledge and the rest of the citizens are little more than trash for him to rule over…for their own good of course.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:54 pm#38. That´s it. Bored everybody out.
June 3rd, 2006 at 1:56 pmPoor boy George,
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:08 pmJust as threatened by gays as he is “terrrists”. Oh, and “nukular” weapons in Iran.
Ooooh, SCARY!
Bunch of panty-waistes, brain-washed, ‘SCARED OF EVERYTHING’, except global warming, cause ‘we don’t want to feel guilty’ REPUBLICAN FASCISTS.
Here goes Christianity trying to claim a monopoly on everything again….
Marriage, like most of Christian symbolism, comes from PAGAN origins.
Bush would be doing better to worry about the debacle in Iraq.
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:13 pmIF the proponents of gay marriage want to legalize these “unions, perhaps they should pressure their elected representatives to change the law. Or statewide referendums could take place - but THAT’s been done…
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 3, 2006 @ 1:34 pm
Further proof that MA is a gay man hiding in the closet. He screams about and derides everything we liberals tolarate - except this. His suggestion in support of this issue demonstrates the obvious.
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:18 pm“Marbury vs Madison? Isn’t Marbury, like, a candy bar, Karl?”
Way to go, Georgie, aim high. Never mind global warming, Iraq, gas prices, the imploding economy. I’m much more concerned that Elton John will marry David Furnish in Provincetown this year.
Btw, I’m back in Officers and Not So Gentle Men. I’m still in the teeth of this book that I have to review for Simon and Schuster but I couldn’t sit still for this shit going on in Iraq. If these murders in Haditha and Ishaqi aren’t a campaign issue for us later on this year, then there’s no hope for our party.
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:20 pmThe sad part is just how well this “get out the vote” strategy will work.
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:30 pm#46 - Further proof unbelievable is a barely literate gay woman….The poor dear reads poorly and when she manages to string two words together, she angles the language to surmise what is not said, implied or inferred. Rather pathetic….
Off to the Little League field….
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:40 pm#49 - Correction - angles should read - “Mangles”
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:43 pmAs others have said - if you want to seriously “protect marriage” then you need a constitutional amendment to ban divorce. I believe that divorce is a greater threat to marriage than are two men or women wanting legal and civil recognition of their union.
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:46 pmMaybe Michael Huffington could weigh in on this issue.
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:46 pmOff to the Little League field….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 3, 2006 @ 2:40 pm
Nope, I’m straight. And actually a woman. I have references for both. It’s why you are always bashing the women around here. You’re jealous.
And you still didn’t bash gay marriage…. Why is that?
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:47 pmFirst on the Christian aspect of this proposal….
Why does everyone know Mary Magadelane’s (sp?) last name but nobody knows Jesus’, Mary’s, Joseph’s and Moses etc. last name? Why was it so important to document a whore’s last name but not God’s sons and the mother of his sons?
Second: across the board polls indicate that more than 80% of American’s feel that the war in Iraq, the economy and jobs are most important to them.
Does Bubble boy really think that fullfilling his promises (ban gay marriage, abortion etc) to the Christians is going to get his base back? Not, his base is included in the 80% figure.
Bubble boy has made such a mess of his base’ lives the Christian agenda has been put on the back burner of voters minds.
Give it up Bubble boy, until every American can puchase a gallon of gas for $1.50 (the price it was when you stole the election) you will not get one single former supporter back.
As for those who never supported Bubble boy, there’s not a chance in hell iof getting us to change our minds.
November will be a very good month indeed.
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:57 pmunbelievable - I guess in your circles “maverick loons” is a compliment….
June 3rd, 2006 at 2:58 pmI think the threat to marriage in america is divorce. look at the goddam divorce rate goober!!! the instituion of marriage has been destroyed by reality tv and people with the ‘me me me’ attitude. People are not serious about marriage because they see it as a contract not a committment. Divorce is way to easy for people to get. hey not getting along and sick of your wife saying where were you? get a divorce!! what a stupid stupid man he is!! Institution of marriage… give me a freakin break!!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:00 pm#24 awesome link. You can find much of the same in the Catholic church.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:00 pmWhen i look at naked women I get a chubby, it’s not something I choose or even think about for that matter, it just happens. The same thing occurs when a gay man or woman looks at a member of the same sex, no thought is involved,just…boing. Are we as a nation really so stupid as to engage in a debate over the cause and effect of boners? Sickens me.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:05 pmunbelievable - I guess in your circles “maverick loons†is a compliment….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 3, 2006 @ 2:58 pm
Never heard the term before. I’m sure there’s a reason you use it..
So, once again you can not state that you are a woman who opposes gay marriage. Thought not. We know why.
And you said you were leaving… yet another fib… How apropos.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:08 pmUNBELIEVABLE… i see Mighty Hypocrite is off to her childrens MANY scheduled activities. or maybe she is in her hit and run mode. make a stupid comment and then leave before she has to listen to the put down and repudiation. cowardly woman or man!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:10 pm[…] Here’s proof that liberals don’t understand our system of government by the people. The writers of Think Progress comment on President Bush’s support for a Defense of Marriage Amendment. This statement is endemic of a larger problem in the Bush administration – the failure to recognize the judiciary as a co-equal branch of American democracy. Courts are tasked with enforcing laws that are the will of the people, as expressed through the legislative and executive branches. […]
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:11 pmAre we as a nation really so stupid as to engage in a debate over the cause and effect of boners?
LOL! Essentially that is what we are doing though aren’t we?
I know the answer to the cause of homosexualaty so I won’t debate it with the hermaphrodite.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:14 pmI am perplexed about the hermaphrodite though. Are they gay or what? Hermy, can you help me please?
Are we as a nation really so stupid as to engage in a debate over the cause and effect of boners? Sickens me.
Comment by Vance — June 3, 2006 @ 3:05 pm
Apparently.
Seems to me that if people put this much effort into worrying about their own marriages, there wouldn’t be a need to worry about the failure rate of marriage…
Personally, I’ve seen too much research on the matter. Divorce is high because humans are not monogamous by nature. Has nothing to do with who is getting married. Just to do with human nature (evolution). Which Christianity rejects, so it again finds itself expecting human beings to be something they largely are not (always exceptions), and blaming its failure on a host of conceived ‘demons’…
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:15 pmI am perplexed about the hermaphrodite though. Are they gay or what?
No they’re blessed.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:20 pmcowardly woman or man!!
Comment by meg_mac — June 3, 2006 @ 3:10 pm
It’s a him. And it doesn’t have human children. All of my female friends who have a child become so busy caring for it that they have practically no time for adequate sleep, much less the ability to spend hours every day in a blog. And it exponentially increases (the demand) with each subsequent child.
All the women who post here as much as MA are women with groen children or no children. I’ve never heard any of the regular women say that they have two young children - much less four, a high demand career, and a house and husband.
It’s not only not logical that Mighty Mouth’s story is true - it’s impossible.
Plus, I’m certain that it has been using other identities here which are MALE.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:21 pmHMMM… interesting…never thought of that. My children are grown. you might see my son t-mac here. and yes i agree a woman with 4 children a home a career and a marriage would hardly put commenting endlessly with vitriol before her real family. thanks for the tip!! enjoy your comments.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:25 pmOkay then, what about the bi-sexuals? Can they get married? Are they blessed?
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:26 pmyes i agree a woman with 4 children a home a career and a marriage would hardly put commenting endlessly with vitriol before her real family.
Comment by meg_mac — June 3, 2006 @ 3:25 pm
Especially a conservative one who thinks her place is to care for her home children and husband first… :)
I have seen your son. Thought it was cute that you use the matching screen names.
I have a cousin who is three years older than I am. She has two little kids (6 and 4). Her husband is retired and she does not work. Prior to the family, she would email me atleast four times a week (she likes to debate and discuss politics also) for several years. Now, I hear from her once every three or four months with an apology as to why she hasn’t written sooner. She’s a lapsed Catholic who is a moderate. If she can’t find time to write, who does MA with twice as many kids and a job find hours? Doesn’t add up…
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:32 pmoh good - American Patriot #64, i hope you see/read this…
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:33 pmi once called you out as a troll, calling you “american parrot aka wwallace” - i have realized since that i was mistaken and confused your handle with “USA Patriot” who was, in fact, wwallace (and numerous other names) and has not been around, thankfully!
i apoligize for that transgression and any harm or embarrassment i may have caused…
i am sorry about that…
#67 - bisexuals double their chances for a date on saturday night! :)
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:33 pmWait, wait…I have more questions.
Are gays allowed to join the military?
Are they allowed to hold public office?
Are they allowed to vote?
Are they allowed to work?
Are they allowed to worship?
Are they allowed to have children?
Are they allowed to pay taxes?
Are they allowed to demonstrate?
Are they allowed to bear arms?
Are they allowed to collect govt. benefits?
If the answer to these questions is yes, doesn’t that mean they are Americans who have the same rights as any other American?
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmMust be those pesky Activist Judges.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:36 pmIf the answer to these questions is yes, doesn’t that mean they are Americans who have the same rights as any other American?
Comment by Stupid Republicans — June 3, 2006 @ 3:35 pm
Read the first partagraph of the Constitution… the part that includes ‘liberty’. That’s what this ban on them marrying will be infringing upon.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:40 pmWouldnt it be funny if it was revealed that MA was actually Rummy or the Dick or Goober?? oh that thought just makes me howl!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:41 pmkaty-no aplogy necessary. I’m not so thin skinned where a post on a message board gets me pissed. I know of the wwwwwwwwwallASS that you speak of and I can tell you, that I’m not him.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:42 pmWhy is no one reporting on W’s affair with Condi? See Wayne Madsen’s website for more info. If the NYT can gossip about Bill and Hillary’s relationship on their front page, let’s get the George/Condi info out there!
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:46 pmWouldnt it be funny if it was revealed that MA was actually Rummy or the Dick or Goober?? oh that thought just makes me howl!!
Comment by meg_mac — June 3, 2006 @ 3:41 pm
Very little seems to surprise me anymore… The Bush Regime has lowered the bar on human behavior to all-time new lows. Which is funny that they cry about a lack of morality in others. The hypocrisy is astounding with these folks.
Have you seen the article on Michael Moore’s website that is a compilation of the events of the 2004 election that show the discrepancies between the exits polls and the outcome? There are a few studies that have been done, but this one is a cohesive explanation of why exit polls, throughout history are never wrong. And yet 2004 was off by a huge percentage in comparision.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmWhatever happened to the repug lie how govenment is going to staying out of our lives. What a huge frickin lie. Less govenment and more states rights huh? yeah right. Thats why the shutting down by the FB! of the medical marijuana clubs in Sf is so exasperating. the people of california voted the ammendment in. Now all of a sudden we dont know what is right the govenment does!! meanwhile pharmecuetical companies rape the public and invent conditions (do you have restless legs??) (have to pee too often??)so they can dispense their crap!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:48 pmUnbelievable… check out the article that RFK jr wrote for the Rolling Stone. it will infuriate you. yes indeed the election was stolen. thousands of voters were disenfranchised in Ohio with 12-13 hour waits to vote in democratic precincts but 15 min to an hour in repug precincts. and the secretary of state (as in Florida) was the co-chair of the relect Goober Bush committee. stunning article!
http://www.rollingstone.com/ news/ story/ 10432334/ was_the_2004_election_stolen
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:55 pmThe Scariest Goddamn Film You’ll See This Year
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:55 pmAMERICA: FROM FREEDOM TO FASCISM
“FOUR STARS (Highest Rating). The scariest goddamn film you’ll see this year. It will leave you staggering out of the theatre, slack-jawed and trembling. Makes ‘Fahrenheit 9/11′ look like ‘Bambi.’ After watching this movie, your comfy, secure notions about America — and about what it means to be an American — will be forever shattered. Producer/director Aaron Russo and the folks at Cinema Libre Studio deserve to be heralded as heroes of a post-modern New American Revolution. This is shocking stuff. You’ll be angry, you’ll be disgusted, but you may actually break out in a cold sweat and feel a sickness deep in your gut; I would advise movie theatre managers to hand out vomit bags. You may end up needing one.”
— Todd David Schwartz, CBS
CLICK HERE
ps … looks like the link on michael moores site directs you to Rolling Stone so you might have already read it.
June 3rd, 2006 at 3:59 pmHere’s a good little video of Bush at the GAY BAR
June 3rd, 2006 at 4:01 pm#76, Kathy Ordonez - randi rhodes opined that the NYT story of bill and hillary’s marriage was put out there to help cover up this juicy story…
June 2, 2006 — A White House source, speaking on background, vehemently denied to WMR that there are marital problems between President Bush and First Lady Laura Bush over a reported extramarital affair between Mr. Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. However, two mainstream media sources have confirmed that their sources also have reported an ongoing affair between Mr. Bush and Rice.
June 3rd, 2006 at 4:38 pmhttp://www.waynemadsenreport.com/
(scroll down a bit, below the yellow box)
ps … looks like the link on michael moores site directs you to Rolling Stone so you might have already read it.
Comment by meg_mac — June 3, 2006 @ 3:59 pm
It is the same. I thought it was logical, and well written (and referenced). I’m not big on conspiracy theories, but I think this one belongs in a different catagory because of the overwhleming facts…
Two stolen elections. Why does anything else despicable they do surprise us?
June 3rd, 2006 at 4:50 pmmeanwhile pharmecuetical companies rape the public and invent conditions (do you have restless legs??) (have to pee too often??)so they can dispense their crap!!
Comment by meg_mac — June 3, 2006 @ 3:48 pm
I genuinely believe that if all Americans turned off tehir televisions and were not exposed to the advertizing for six months, there would be less reported illness in this country… I think a lot of the illnesses we have are psychosomatic from the barrage of ads…
June 3rd, 2006 at 4:53 pmSo what are you doing to stop them? What are you doing to help America?
June 3rd, 2006 at 4:54 pmOne word - DESPICABLE!
http://patrickjfitzgerald.blogspot.com
June 3rd, 2006 at 4:56 pm“President Bush has every right to support a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.”
Jesus, when will you STOP LICKING HIS FEET?
• Bush is a MAJOR WARCRIMINAL.
• Bush STOLE both his elections, as documented in RFK Jr’s Rolling Stone article.
• Bush has violated more than fifteen major federal statutes, as documented in the Conyers Report, coming out next month (but available on the web since last Fall).
• Bush has broken his oath of office consistently, disregarding our rights and his duties with GREAT ZEAL.
THE MAN HAS NO RIGHT TO PERFORM ANY OF THE EXECUTIVE FUNCTIONS OF OUR GOVERNMENT.
So why don’t you PLEASE shut-up about what rights you fawningly think he has? There are a LOT of dead children who would like you to stop pretending that politics somehow trumps LAW.
Indeed, your bootlicking phrasing duplicates Bush’s gay marriage confusing of law for politics to a tee. Eerie. Aren’t you supposed to be thinking PROGRESS?
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:03 pmThe strategy is laid out by #10 at Thought Theatre very well. Heck, I’m tellin people to go there and read what he wrote. Good job!
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:08 pmThis is the same administration that is fighting the will of the people over Medical Marijuana and Doctor assisted suicide. “Democracy” and “The will of the people” only when it fits your political agenda. Get real and get out of our lives already.
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:20 pmI’m re-posting some of this from earlier today…
For anyone supporting this amendment, here’s what I want to know:
At what point in your life did you choose to be a heterosexual?
I also want you to explain to all the fine folks here why and how same-sex marriage is going to directly or indirectly affect my marriage to my wife in the years to come, or how it’s going to affect the likely future marriages of my 17 year old, impressionable nephews as they prepare to enter the real world.
Tell me what I need to specifically discuss with my nephew who is currently dating a beautiful young woman to keep him from developing an affinity for men. I may yet do you a favor; he’s not exhibiting any signs of gayness yet, but if I can save him from turning gay, there will be one less for you to worry about.
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:26 pmI have read nothing that explains what the “threat” posed by same-sex marriage (to the institution of marriage, which it at least appears is already quite shaky anyway) is supposed to constitute.
Will it release “fag rays” that will turn heterosexuals queer?
For crap’s sake, people in power — get a life and field something IMPORTANT.
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:26 pm“there will be one less for you to worry about”
WC … yes.
The impression I get from the religious right et al is that gay people are okay when they mind their places and don’t get uppity. Like, say, dining out in NYC and having a funny queer waiter? That’s fine. It’s even fun … partly because when he’s away from the table one can make fun of him. I mean, he’ll be going to Hell and all when he dies, but it’s okay for him to wait on us and entertain us …
Kind of reminds me of how way back when it was “jim dandy” for black folk to be musicians and menials as long as they didn’t stray from their posts and start trying to be like us “regular folks.”
Utterly revolting.
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:35 pmi need your help!
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:36 pmi seem to remember reading a list of republican corruption on TP recently and can’t find it -
not the pedophil list, i bookmarked that one…
am i mistaken? can anyone help?
thanks in advance!
#94 - Glenn - See, that’s the issue - what IS the threat to marriage by allowing same sex couples to also marry? I have never seen ANY argument that the fact that I may want to marry my same sex partner (well, I don’t have one right now) in some way degrades marriage.
The fact that congress will waste their time debating this (and the fact that the bumbler-in-chief wasted air time talking about it) is simply nuts. Are marriages so fragile that to allow same sex loving couples the same legal benefits going to cause the downfall of this nation? I think not - I’d say that the bumbler-in-chief’s other policies have already done that.
So - to you folks who don’t support same-sex marriages (legal/civil) - exactly what is your argument? ’nuff said.
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:37 pmAt what point in your life did you choose to be a heterosexual?
Comment by WC — June 3, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
Just the way I came out of the womb. I was fiver when I had my first crush on a neighbor boy. Of ocurse, at that time boys were icky so I kept my feelings to myself. But I remember it very well. How seeing him made my heart beat speed up and my palms get a little sweaty. No one told me should like him. For Christ Sake, I was five and it was the seventies… I just did. No choice about it. :)
June 3rd, 2006 at 5:44 pmHey unbelievable, I’m with you on the hypocondriac theory but restless leg syndrome does exsist. For me its a feeling that my legs are falling asleep. Its annoying and does keep me up at night. Do I take a pill for it? No way. I am not into pills.
We know that there are less expensive meds and even cures for cancer that are being withheld from us, however it doesn’t change the fact that cancer does exsist.
I do know people who are suceptible to mass marketing but not many. Hypocondriacs will exist with or without t.v. ads, ask any doctor who gets stuck dealing with them.
June 3rd, 2006 at 6:02 pmGlenn Greenwald said it best:
Apparently, writing homophobia into the United States Constitution and turning the flag into a sacred icon will help us win the “Long War” against terror, reduce the widening income gap, reduce the trillion dollar deficit, bring health care to the 45.8 million uninsured, improve our education system, fix the flawed electronic voting systems, make gerrymandered districts competitive, put an end to D.C. corruption, reduce the 15,000 dollar average household debt, etc. Apparently, we will not be able to confront these problems unless we can make sure that gays don’t have legal protections and benefits that encourage them to stay in stable monogamous relationships and that people don’t set cloth on fire.
June 3rd, 2006 at 6:10 pmI’m with ya but you got it wrong;
“This statement is endemic of a larger problem in the Bush administration – the failure to recognize the judiciary as a co-equal branch of American democracy. Courts are tasked with enforcing laws that are the will of the people, as expressed through the legislative and executive branches.”
The courts are the failsafe mechanism to nisure the laws passed by Congress and ENFORCED by the Executive are truly Constitutional. Each one has a check on one of the other.
June 3rd, 2006 at 6:17 pmIf the “threat” of gay marriage is so critical to American families and society, why haven’t every single heterosexual family moved away from Massachusetts? I mean, I would guess that all those married gays there would have to be so scary and so destructive to society as a whole, no one would be left in that state except the gay couples. But, apparently, since all Bush and the Bush Republicans do is create fear and then make false promises to deliver us from the fear they create, they know as well as the majority of our country, that the “threat” of gay marriage is complete and utter nonsense.
The biggest single “threat” to American families and society is Bush’s continuing failed presidency.
June 3rd, 2006 at 6:17 pmlink to JP’s greenwald piece -
June 3rd, 2006 at 6:22 pmFriday, June 02, 2006
Senator Bill Frist demonstrates his ignorance of core American values
By Hume’s Ghost
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 06/ senator-bill-frist-demonstrates-his.html#links
You’ll be DELIGHTED to know that little Mickey Aphrodite had a lot of fun at Little League and even drove in 2 runs!!!
Mr. Aphrodite had an interesting take on the mothers unbelievable says she knows who are completely overwhelmed and/or overworked by their multiple roles. He wondered if perhaps they had waited until their late 30’s or early 40’s to start their families that they might be fairly set in their ways and incapable of the flexibility having children requires. In addition, he thought a long commute or working for an entrenched corporate entity might prove challenging for some women trying to juggle so many balls in the air. He also mentioned the negative post-modern parenting technique in which parents manage EVERY aspect of their child’s life and play. (I have been told THAT is very overwhelming.) He wondered how involved these children’s fathers’ were. My office is close to home, modern communcations keep one in touch with EVERYTHING and as a few weeks ago, Mr. Aphrodite adjusted his schedule when a jury came back later than we expected.
In short, the anecdotal evidence spewed on this site isn’t worth the paper to wrap garbage….
Have a great weekend!!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 6:40 pmI do know people who are suceptible to mass marketing but not many. Hypocondriacs will exist with or without t.v. ads, ask any doctor who gets stuck dealing with them.
Comment by American Patriot — June 3, 2006 @ 6:02 pm
Yeah, but I think we have more than usual… and that we have many who talk themselves into actually being ill (mind over matter) because of the way they are targetted to do so. Things have changed drastically in the last 20 years. Adn illness has certainly been one of the things that has increased disproprtionately.
It’s just a hypothesis. I know people actually get sick. Why I avoid using absolutes :)
June 3rd, 2006 at 6:51 pmComment by JP — June 3, 2006 @ 6:10 pm
Very well said…
June 3rd, 2006 at 6:55 pmDear Mr. Hypocrite…. get out now! while you can!! LOLOLOLLLOLOL.
Unbelievable…. I am sure you are right. i call my husband hubby in my posts. Mighty Hypocrite on the other hand has to call him Mr. Hypocrite. sooooo funny! pretty much now anything said by that (he or she) is forever marginilized!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:01 pmIn short, the anecdotal evidence spewed on this site isn’t worth the paper to wrap garbage….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 3, 2006 @ 6:40 pm
Only yours… And if you truly feel that way, then leave. You don’t discuss issues or facts - just make ad hominem attacks and spew propaganda. You can’t even be honest about your gender or your life. How do we expect you to be honest about anything else? (Hint: We don’t).
You’re a complete crackpot. I don’t talk about you with anyone outside of TP. Mostly because you’re irrelevent, but partly because you are imaginary and ignorant.
Small minds discuss people…. and yours is as small as they come. Makes you little more than an ambulatory monkey pushing a button for food and gratification. No wonder you fling your own feces and call it art. It’s all you have. Shoo now…
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:01 pmMarriage is a legal contract between two
consenting adults. That’s it.
How can the government prevent two
adults from entering into that type of
legal agreement?
Whats next, gay people not being able
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:04 pmto buy a house? Form a coporation?
Get a drivers license?
pretty much now anything said by that (he or she) is forever marginilized!!
Comment by meg_mac — June 3, 2006 @ 7:01 pm
Even to himself…. : )
I used to feel sorry for him, but then he lied about a dead child to garner sympathy when Ryan had pretty much exposed more of his lies (his age doesn’t jive with his list of life events for one), and then made a joke about it. My brother lost a child and it is NEVER funny. Since then, I occasionally poke the Mighty Mouth with a dose of reality to remind myself why he shouldn’t taken seriously…
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:06 pmdon’t make me regret this, aphro - but i must commend you on 2 of your posts today (#s 38 & 105), in that i couldn’t DISagree with most of what you wrote… all mostly reasonable… and the condescending attitude was even tolerable - considering the source… :)
i have one piece of very important advice for parents of very small children - 7p.m. BEDTIME.
after kindergarten, times adjust accordingly… but trust me.
i was so very lucky to have been able to work at home and understand how much of an advantage that was - it was a good thing for ME and mine - i know not always for everyone, and not always possible …
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:15 pmI’m still waiting for a coherent reason why same sex couples can’t get married. Anyone?
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:21 pmNo doubt President Bush supports the rumored “Wildlife Protection Act†supposedly sponsored by Senators Rick Santorum and John Cornyn:
Bans marriage between a man and a dog, box turtle or other mammal, fish, reptile or bird.
Comment by AvengingAngel
AvengingAngel,
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:40 pmThanks for your amusing comment. It gave me my first laugh, since I found out two days ago that a very good friend has terminal cancer.
Unbelievable -
Before I leave for MY nice weekend - a couple of points:
a.) I criticized “activist bench” rulings which went against points of law with DIVIDED constitutional arguments.
b.) Your response was to spew assumptions about me, my family, my beliefs, my work habits, my religion, my education etc. Sadly you demonstrate a vicious streak.
c..) Your friend might call her husband “hubby” here and “honey” at home. I don’t use my husband’s or childrens’ first name on any blog as there have been TOO many “marginal” people out there. I will never tell you my Social Security #, DOB or driver’s license number. I will NEVER tell you what year I graduated from which school. Don’t be offended - there are too many criminals out there.
I will return to my boycott of you….
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:40 pmDear Katy - Ditto on the bed - time!!! It’s a great story time, singing time or “sharing secrets” time. We had a neighbor (before we had kids) who let their little boy go to bed WHENEVER AND WHEREVER he wanted. It was sad to see a house run by a four year old.
Happy weekend!!
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:47 pmGee, I hope Mighty Teabagger writes a book on being the perfect “mother”, “wife” and employee. We will read the book, after paying top dollar for it, and we would all be better people, and the world would be a better place. And to top it off, we would all feel inadequate in comparison. Just think of it, everyone, a better world by the Mighty Teabagger.
*runs sobbing from the room*
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:49 pm#113 - I got nothin’, MrTimPA. Other than some really paranoid winger crap I’ve heard from time to time. You had to put in “coherent,” didn’t you?
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:53 pmIn short, the anecdotal evidence spewed on this site isn’t worth the paper to wrap garbage….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 3, 2006 @ 6:40 pm
Best comment you ever made on your self..now why not just flitter away..like a good little lying troll……
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:55 pmi have one piece of very important advice for parents of very small children - 7p.m. BEDTIME.
after kindergarten, times adjust accordingly… but trust me.
I am so there with you, katy. I managed to stretch the 7 p.m. bedtime to 2nd grade with both boys, amazingly enough. It’s so sad to see little kids with dark circles under their eyes.
June 3rd, 2006 at 7:59 pmI will return to my boycott of you….
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Awwww, try not to be too sad, Salma.
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:01 pm*laughing maniacally*
7:00 pm bedtime?? wow. in cali the sun is still up! maybe if they are up at 5:00am.
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:01 pmeach child is individual. some need more rest than others. did they take their nap? if so hmmm 7:00 would have been a struggle for me. i adjusted the bedtime according to … sick? over tired because of a lot of play that day? nap? fighting with siblings?
i think being flexible is more realistic.
My office is close to home, modern communcations keep one in touch with EVERYTHING and as a few weeks ago, Mr. Aphrodite adjusted his schedule when a jury came back later than we expected.
Comment by Mighty Hypocrite
Even if this were true–which I seriously doubt–, like a typical compASSionate CON, Mighty doesn’t realize that many working people don’t have the luxury of flexible schedules nor can they afford to live near their place of work. Criticizing people for not having such things shows both a lack of compassion and of knowledge about the real world.
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:05 pmI will return to my boycott of you….
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Could you PLEASE edit this comment to say…you all…and go back to which ever trailer park from whence tou slithered out of….
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:05 pmThe Bush Regime has nothing positive to promote for America, so instead they use issues to divide the nation, like Gays are too dangerous to marry each other > which is very ridiculous!
The Constitution was never intended to be used to promote religious intollerance! An amendment to ban Gay marriages is obsurdly imbecilic! NO one is harmed by Gays getting married, nor is marriage itself threatened by Gays getting hitched! Bush is promoting homophobia to appease extreme right-wing religious fanatics, which is plain disgusting!
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:10 pm# 105 Wow!!! Never mind us. Imagine what your hubby has to bear. What a heavy lead ball you are.
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:14 pm#97 Mr. TimPA
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:15 pmI can assure you that while my marriage has sometimes had its problems, I have never once thought that it was threatened by same sex couples, married or unmarried. I fired off an e-mail to that effect to Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, but that just put me on his e-mailing list for friendly “Dear Lora” junk. I had to ask to “unsubscribe” to messages from that soulless creature.
I see that Mighty Moron is still trying to peddle HIS imaginary family on TP threads > lol. He refers to his ficticious husband as Mr. which no real female would do on here, and then claims he backs her/him on posting crap on TP daily?
MA is a drag queen who cuts hair in a salon for Republican Log-Cabin males!
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:22 pm# 63.
You know, although I am not a bright person I can see you are a very intelligent one. But, I really disagree with what you said above. What are we by nature? What does evolution say about monogamy or poligamy? A really faithful and committed couple is not evolved while (I am going to exaggerate) a drunk, stripper-fan, jerk off is really evolved? mmmm…I think Darwin was not thinking really much about that when he was writing on the Beagle.
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:24 pm#129 - Juan C, I don’t know if humans are naturally monogamous or not, and I’m not sure it matters. I’ve found, in my line of work, that too many people who know they are not manogamous enter monogamous relationships, and then expect everything to work itself out. Too many people enter marriage without giving a single thought to the relationship AFTER the wedding reception, and they lack the maturity to think beyond their own wants and needs.
But what do I know? I’ve been divorced for 13 years.
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:40 pmPost 130 > It would be nice if those who love to cheat on their spouse would never marry anybody, but for some unknown reason they want to be married and cheat at the same time? It always hurts the faithfull partner who belives in fidelity and usually leads to divorce!
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:53 pm#130 Pardon my tackyness (if thats the word) or my romantic point of view. I have never been married so, I will speak with complete ignorance about marriage, but I think it is all about respect. I dont do to others what I would not like others do to me. Therefore, If I am in a relationship, I HAVE to be monogamous. I am not saying that poligamy equals cheating, but, you know I find polygamy like a really waste of my time…geee, even monogamy!!! But, about the gay issue, my position is that let everybody marry whoever or whatever (I just remembered a nice story of genius Bukowsky about a guy and a dummy) they want.
June 3rd, 2006 at 8:54 pmFriday, June 2, 2006
As if we didn’t already know there was absolutely NOTHING Bush won’t do, except tell the truth.
So Monday will roll around and in order to try to bolster support for his sad, sad approval ratings he will again try to cultivate fear, hatred and intolerance by telling everyone what they already know about him….THAT HE IS A HOMOPHOBIC BIGGOT.
His announcement Monday to that effect should be a non news item, but in true toady form the MSM will pick it up as the news of the day and run it straight into the ground.
The only thing that might possibly take some attention off his non news moment is if Natilie Holloway or the runaway bride make an entrance or another white chick going missing.
Who will be the next group after the gays, and Latinos, so called enemy combatants at the secret torture prisons, or those innocent Iraqi people that are executed in their homes to be persecuted and denied civil rights? Will your severed head be one that the soldiers are playing soccer with next time Bush issues a call to hate?
So here we have it Bush pandering to the homophobic racists that worry way too much who everyone else is having sex with and who they want to marry than minding their own business and worrying about how this sad little mad man is systematically tearing up the Constitution, which he has referred to as “just a Godam**d piece of paper” and his codpiece Gonzolas deems “an outdated document”.
The very sad thing is that Bush’s poly to refocus America’s attention away from his miserable lies, and illegal behavior and corruption to Gay Marriage will probably work.
You see in Bush’s little world the truth does not matter, only winning matters. He believes that he can repeat a lie often enough and have the MSM repeat the lies until the public takes it as gospel.
Bush as a young boy used to insert fireworks in frogs and cats and set them off. You see most little boys that torture animals don’t grow up to be president, they usually become serial killers. Food for thought.
And one final note: they call the Church congregation the “flock” for a reason. That reason is sheep never lead, they only follow.
So when Monday rolls around you’ll see a whole new effort to deny civil rights, and a brand new call to hate.
Mission accomplished.
“An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” - Rev. Martin Luther King
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:23 pm#131 - I think it’s the wanting to eat their cake and have it, too. *sigh* I work on their divorces everyday. I guess I shouldn’t be surprised about how many of them hit on me, but I always am. Geez, it’s like they don’t realize I already know what they’re capable of!
#132 - You do have a romantic point of view, and if you ever get married she will be a lucky girl. I’m with you, Juan, if I’m in a relationship, I have to be monogamous. It’s all about respect for your partner — and yourself.
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:28 pm#133 - Well said, KJ Lovell. I didn’t know about GWB killing small animals. That’s seriously disturbing.
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:34 pmHere’s a couple of questions that Bubble boy needs to answer before signing anything:
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:38 pmIf a man has a sex change operation (after a year of taking female hormones whom the pharmacutical companies profit from) can he marry a man? Would it be considered a same sex marriage?
Can a hermaphrodite marry at all? Wouldn’t it be true that no matter which sex they marry it is a same sex marriage?
#133 - Too true, the GOP does nothing but promote fear, hate, racism, intolerance and bigotry.
This is really more about whipping people into a fury and flipping gays the bird more than anything else. Only a political stunt.
But your comment about the soldiers playing soccer with severed heads is actually true. Probably not much longer before our young Iraqi soldiers return to do that here in the states, and I shutter to think who will be the victims.
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:40 pmzoo - that reminds me of an ann landers quote i read the other day:
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:41 pm“If you marry a man who cheats on his wife, you’ll be married to a man who cheats on his wife.â€
i miss ann landers…
Barbara Bush told a reporter once that her George Junior loved to insert firecrackers in the anus of frogs to blow them to bits > Barb thought it was hilarious, but the female reporter was shocked about it! Do you ever wonder why Dubya is mentally unbalanced? He is weird because he blew up frogs and his mother never told him it was sick and wrong! I never have heard that Bush harmed cats? I think Sen. Frist loved to steal housecats and dissect them for his medical school training > why he was such a bad docter since cats are not humans and dissecting them are not the same as cadavers for medical training!
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:45 pmYes Jay, dumbya used to blow up cats too. I have one of the articles, and have posted it on TP before. Later the article was sanitized, but I have a copy of the original.
Most little boys that torture animals don’t grow up to be president, they usually become serial killers. Food for thought.
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:51 pm#139 - Worse, Jay, Frist used to ADOPT kitties from the Humane Society, saying he was going to give them good homes, and then proceeded to dissect them.
What can I say about Barbara Bush? Her brain is a festering, pus-filled boil, and she passed it on to her son.
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:52 pmBarbara Bush told a reporter once that her George Junior loved to insert firecrackers in the anus of frogs to blow them to bits > Barb thought it was hilarious, but the female reporter was shocked about it! Do you ever wonder why Dubya is mentally unbalanced?
When is that ol bat gonna die? Isn’t she like 100 years old by now?
June 3rd, 2006 at 9:57 pmOne question for US citizens: How these people become politicians? Reagan, Scharzenegger, Bush…I mean, I knew that Gary Oldman and a pornstar competed against Arnold for California gov…I mean…you know what I mean. I can understand that GWB is there: his father is a mean CIA sweet thing…but how do these people get away with it?
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:03 pm#144 - Money, and the “proper” ideology. But mainly the money. I’m not proud of that, and hope to help change it.
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:08 pmPost 140 > if what you claim is true, that in fact Bush blew up cats too, then he is extremely mentally ill and should be in an institution and NOT president!
Post 141 > Sen. Frist is a certified sicko > good thing he retires from Senate in November!
Post 142 > my mother met Barbara once and told me she is the meanest bitch on the planet!
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:09 pmok - this is a new one - i heard a guest talk about it on randi rhodes, a psych guy who wrote a book, bush on the couch, or something like that…
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:12 pmthis is sad, but telling… he said that when george was a kid, his little sister died, he was not allowed to go to her funeral, and his mom and dad played tennis after…………
what a mom, huh…
#147 - Justin Frank. He posts on Huff Post every now and then. It’s worth searching his name and reading his posts. Scary shit, man.
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:15 pmthanks zookeeper - i didn’t want to seem like a crack pot putting that out there, but i was pretty sure the guy was ligit… a sad story about the death of a sister… hard to imagine the logic there…
that’s it for me… g’nite all…
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:23 pmWell you know what they say….only the good die young.
Guess the ol bat is going to be around for another hundred years or so.
Never heard about a dead daughter, I bet Papa molested her and then killed her cuz she was gonna telll.
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:25 pmHey, another thought on the Bush girl death…
If there wasn’t anything suspicious about her death, wouldn’t the Bush’s use it to say to Cindy Sheehan and other parents, we know how you feel, we lost a child too. We know your pain.
Wouldn’t Bubble boy use it in the spinzone, I know how it is to lose a sibling, I feel your pain.
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:30 pm#151 - SR, GWB might be able to say he knows how it feels to lose a sibling, but he wouldn’t be able to say the part abut feeling another’s pain without cracking a smile.
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:40 pm[…] Over at ThinkProgress.org, they claim this is evidence of Bush’s disdain for the judicial branch of government and also state that Bush is “distorting democracy”: This statement is endemic of a larger problem in the Bush administration – the failure to recognize the judiciary as a co-equal branch of American democracy. Courts are tasked with enforcing laws that are the will of the people, as expressed through the legislative and executive branches. […]
June 3rd, 2006 at 10:44 pmJust the way I came out of the womb. I was fiver when I had my first crush on a neighbor boy. Of ocurse, at that time boys were icky so I kept my feelings to myself. But I remember it very well. How seeing him made my heart beat speed up and my palms get a little sweaty. No one told me should like him. For Christ Sake, I was five and it was the seventies… I just did. No choice about it. :)
Comment by unbelievable — June 3, 2006 @ 5:44 pm
I think it’s interesting that the ones who say homosexuals choose to be gay generally say they did not make a choice to be heterosexual.
June 3rd, 2006 at 11:16 pmI will NEVER tell you what year I graduated from which school. Don’t be offended - there are too many criminals out there.
Such paranoia… I just pointed out that you refuse to call yourself a woman and you turn it into an Inquisition… You neocons are really uptight. Sheesh, dude - exhale. For some one who doesn’t care what we think you sure do care about what we think.
And really, get over yourself. No one around here is going to harm you - except maybe you. You have a greater risk of sel injury than being killed by a terrorist, after all.
I will return to my boycott of you….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 3, 2006 @ 7:40 pm
I’ve lost count now of how many times you’ve said that… (Yep - failure is all you have. It’s all you know. It’s all you are.)
June 4th, 2006 at 12:10 amAwwww, try not to be too sad, Salma.
*laughing maniacally*
Comment by Zookeeper — June 3, 2006 @ 8:01 pm
There are about half a dozen people who I routinely skip over. Mighty Mouth is usually one of them. Today, I was curious as to what the resident closet case would have to say on this particular subject - considering he himself is gay and ‘married’. And as I figured - he did not come out and call homosexuality any vileor derogatory names (which he is never short on for the rest of people the neocons find inferior). Interesting, huh? So, I point it out and Drag Queenie goes ape, as usual because he doesn’t like people who can see through his lies. Which equate to most of us around here… And yet he stays.
June 4th, 2006 at 12:15 ami think being flexible is more realistic.
Comment by meg_mac — June 3, 2006 @ 8:01 pm
I’m not even remotely maternal, but I have a niece and two nephews (which is enough for me :) And I agree with you. After all - there’s a reason there are shocks on the car… Life is a bumpy road and those who cannot bend tend to be in for a very rough ride…
June 4th, 2006 at 12:19 amI think it’s interesting that the ones who say homosexuals choose to be gay generally say they did not make a choice to be heterosexual.
Comment by WC — June 3, 2006 @ 11:16 pm
Except that I don’t believe gay is a choice. I think they are gay just as much as I am straight. I’ve known many peopl