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]]> By: Pinky http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/comment-page-3/#comment-598487 Pinky Tue, 06 Jun 2006 22:28:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/#comment-598487 BG: Okay by me. BG: Okay by me.

]]> By: British Gary http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/comment-page-3/#comment-598427 British Gary Tue, 06 Jun 2006 21:39:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/#comment-598427 Pinky, I understand that, but the issue is that the extremists point of view incorporates dominating other people - that is a critical part of the extremists point of view. The problem I have with that statement is the 'let live' bit. To live and <strong>let live</strong>, you must therefore allow the extremists their point of view, which is to dominate other people. Otherwise what you mean is 'live and let live' within limits, or put another way, live and sometimes let live - which is not really 'live and let live' per se. I agree with your philosophy, not your statement. I argue there is no 'live and let live' in a world populated by extremists as well as moderates. It's better to say, live and let moderates live. Pinky, I understand that, but the issue is that the extremists point of view incorporates dominating other people – that is a critical part of the extremists point of view. The problem I have with that statement is the ‘let live’ bit.

To live and let live, you must therefore allow the extremists their point of view, which is to dominate other people.

Otherwise what you mean is ‘live and let live’ within limits, or put another way, live and sometimes let live – which is not really ‘live and let live’ per se.

I agree with your philosophy, not your statement. I argue there is no ‘live and let live’ in a world populated by extremists as well as moderates. It’s better to say, live and let moderates live.

]]> By: Pinky http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/comment-page-3/#comment-598123 Pinky Tue, 06 Jun 2006 18:40:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/#comment-598123 <em>Why are we talking about Jesus? Comment by Pinky — June 5, 2006 @ 6:50 pm Because it’s relevant to this thread. It’s the motivation for the extremists trying to erode your civil rights. I do everything I can to tackle extremists. If you really believe in ‘live and let live’, then why are you protesting about the erosion in gay’s civil rights on this particular thread? If you support ‘live and let live’, then what about the extremist’s point of view? Comment by British Gary — June 5, 2006 @ 7:07 pm </em> BG: The extremists are entitled to their beliefs. What they are not entitled to is forcing others to believe what they believe. They are not entitled to enslaving any one minority group because they don't like that group. So I say "live and let live" and I mean: Live your life as you see fit, and let others do the same. Why am I protesting the extremists here? Because they are attempting to force their beliefs down our throats. If they kept their traps shut, and lived their lives full of as much hate as they can muster, then I say right on. Go ahead and hate privately, and I don't have an issue with that. When the hate becomes public, then I'm going to speak out. Why are we talking about Jesus?
Comment by Pinky — June 5, 2006 @ 6:50 pm

Because it’s relevant to this thread. It’s the motivation for the extremists trying to erode your civil rights. I do everything I can to tackle extremists. If you really believe in ‘live and let live’, then why are you protesting about the erosion in gay’s civil rights on this particular thread? If you support ‘live and let live’, then what about the extremist’s point of view?

Comment by British Gary — June 5, 2006 @ 7:07 pm

BG: The extremists are entitled to their beliefs. What they are not entitled to is forcing others to believe what they believe. They are not entitled to enslaving any one minority group because they don’t like that group. So I say “live and let live” and I mean: Live your life as you see fit, and let others do the same. Why am I protesting the extremists here? Because they are attempting to force their beliefs down our throats. If they kept their traps shut, and lived their lives full of as much hate as they can muster, then I say right on. Go ahead and hate privately, and I don’t have an issue with that. When the hate becomes public, then I’m going to speak out.

]]> By: Denny http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/comment-page-3/#comment-597800 Denny Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:10:11 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/#comment-597800 Gary--You should probably go to a more current thread if you'd like a discussion;maybe today's Think Fast.I'd love to talk more but I've a few things to do now. If it's any consolation, I did read all your posts from last night. Gary–You should probably go to a more current thread if you’d like a discussion;maybe today’s Think Fast.I’d love to talk more but I’ve a few things to do now.
If it’s any consolation, I did read all your posts from last night.

]]> By: British Gary http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/comment-page-3/#comment-597751 British Gary Tue, 06 Jun 2006 15:49:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/05/values-poll/#comment-597751 Those statements were not directed at you. Comment by Denny — June 6, 2006 @ 11:03 am OK, thanks Denny. I'm disappointed they're not in a way - because I was looking forward to a more detailed debate. Everything I have written here is only scratching the surface. It's just been an introduction. Those statements were not directed at you.
Comment by Denny — June 6, 2006 @ 11:03 am

OK, thanks Denny. I’m disappointed they’re not in a way – because I was looking forward to a more detailed debate. Everything I have written here is only scratching the surface. It’s just been an introduction.

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