Annan Deputy Criticizes U.S. Policy; Bolton Demands Apology, Says U.N. Will Be ‘the Victim’
Annan Deputy Criticizes U.S. Policy; Bolton Demands Apology, Says U.N. Will Be ‘the Victim’
Yesterday at a conference co-sponsored by the Center for American Progress and the Century Foundation, Mark Malloch Brown — the #2 official at the U.N. — offered a constructive critique about the way the United States treats the organization:
[T]he prevailing practice of seeking to use the UN almost by stealth as a diplomatic tool while failing to stand up for it against its domestic critics is simply not sustainable. You will lose the UN one way or another.
Brown noted that rampant U.N. bashing in the United States makes even renovating their dilapidated headquarters difficult:
[T]he only government not fully supporting the project is the U.S. Too much unchecked UN-bashing and stereotyping over too many years—manifest in a fear by politicians to be seen to be supporting better premises for what they unjustly regard as overpaid, corrupt UN bureaucrats—makes even refurbishing a building a political hot potato.
In response, U.N. Ambassador John Bolton has lashed out at Brown. He said that if Annan didn’t immediately repudiate the remarks, the United Nations would be the “victim.” From his press release:
Well, on that speech, this is a very, very grave mistake by the Deputy Secretary General…Even though the target of the speech was the United States, the victim, I fear, will be the United Nations. And even worse was the condescending and patronizing tone about the American people. That fundamentally and very sadly, this was a criticism of the American people, not the American government, by an international civil servant it’ s just illegitimate.
…But what we think the only way at this point to mitigate the damage to the United Nations is that the Secretary General Kofi Annan, we think has to personally and publicly repudiate this speech at the earliest possible opportunity.
Looks like Bolton can dish it out, but he can’t take it.
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Bolton is an irrasible and intractible jerk. he has a history of making enemies so no one is surprised at his attitude now.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:13 pmWhen you drive the 2 lane highways in Texas you see owners of large properties who have signs in their yards that read:Get U.S. Out of the UN!
June 7th, 2006 at 3:18 pmI bet Bolton gets all the chicks.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:19 pmAnd with that statement Bolton proved Browns point!
June 7th, 2006 at 3:20 pmYet another example of the “New American” attitude of arrogance and intimidation. Yet, incredibly, Americans act all aghast at their reputation in the eyes of world as being ignorant bullies when in reality the reputation is well deserved.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:24 pmWe’ve got a billboard on I-35E between Lake Dallas and Lewisville that proudly proclaims the slogan mentioned by #2.
All I have to say is that The ‘Stache is getting even more testy than he was before his stealth confirmation, isn’t he? Being Bush’s mangina isn’t an easy job these days.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:25 pmNice way to engage in a constructive dialog there Bolty. I wonder if when a person calls Bolton on the phone he just picks up the receiver and bangs it against his desk ten times and then hangs up. The man has no communication skills. Zero.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:28 pmBolton is another reason we need to take back Congress this November. His recess appointment is up at the end of this session. Maybe if there are enough Dems with backbones (i know, an oxymoron) in the new Congress they will be able to beat back Bush and his attempt to formally put this street punk in the UN for 2 more years.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:28 pmAmerica has cried wolf to many times now
The US has repeatedly acted to undermine peace and human rights initiatives at the United Nations, routinely voting against hundreds of UN resolutions and treaties. The US easily has the worst record of any nation on not supporting UN treaties. In almost all of its hundreds of “no†votes, the US was the “sole†nation to vote no (among the 100–130 nations that usually vote), and among only 1 or 2 other nations voting no the rest of the time.
The world has has enough of America undermiming the UN and its illegal acts
Britons begin to turn away from alliance with America
June 7th, 2006 at 3:28 pmA Populus opinion poll in The Times indicates that fewer than half the public believe that America is a force for good in the world, and nearly two thirds believe that Britain’s future lies more with Europe than with the US.
Bolton has already tried his bully tactics and they have gotten him nowhere. This man has all the diplomatic skills of a rock, zero none at all.
But then again, the person who appointed him has the presidentual skills of the same said rock, so it figures.
a moron apointed by a moron.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:36 pmCall, fax, email soon…
Just left a message for Mark Malloch Brown at the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) he heads:
United Nations Development Program (UNDP)
June 7th, 2006 at 3:36 pmAdministrator
Mark Malloch Brown
Address:
Regional Bureau for Europe and the CIS
1 United Nations Plaza
16th Floor
New York, NY 10017
USA
Tel: 1 (212) 906 5000
Fax: 1 (212) 906 6595/6267
http://www.undp.org/undp/rbec
CLICK THIS LINK TO SEE AMERICAS DISGUSTING UN RECORDS NO WONDER THE WORLD IS NOT PROGRESSING WITH AMERICA IN THE UN – WE SHOULD MOVE THE UN TO EUROPE AND FORGET AMERICA THEY CONSTANTLY UNDERMIME THE UN AND THE GOOD IT CAN DO
June 7th, 2006 at 3:37 pmAs an American I don’t need an apology from Annan.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:40 pmknock knock.
who’s there?
some guy who thinks he speaks for the american people and reflects the sentiments of the american people, even though he had to be recess-appointed by a president with approval ratings in the low 30’s
June 7th, 2006 at 3:42 pmIt’s the contradiction of the UN. The USA talks and talks about the inefectiveness of the UN, but fails itself frequently in enforcing the policies of the UN, votes against the resolutions in an ample minority and, even if approved, the USA doesn’t fail in menacing nearly always with a more or less undercover veto. Because, you know, the UN isn’t a Democratic organization, as long as the Security Council members have veto power. And the members are the winners of the WWII. The UN needs a reform, yes, but not the reform that wants the USA GOP, making it a mere tool of the State Department, to rule all the countries in the world, but a reform who makes it a truly democratic organization for fairness to every person in the world.
The day that Bush really pushes forward democracy, and comply itself and its GOP with the UN resolutions, that day, the UN would be fair and effective.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:42 pm#11 Update: Leave a message for the Annan deputy Brown here.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:45 pmBolton is one of the key people involved in getting us into an illegal and immoral war. In my view he is quilty of war crimes…and should be in the Hague and not New York.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:50 pmI have always wondered why the UN is here anyway! It seems it would be better to have representatives’ offices in all the countries, and meet in different places at different times. Now that there is video-conferencing, why have a central office at all?
June 7th, 2006 at 3:50 pmAnd I agree that the existing UN isn’t much of a democracy, I’d like to see a major overhaul, with ALL countries represnted at equal levels of power. Fat chance.
Good posts and good points.
What is lost in the Bolton soap opera posturing is that nothing Malloch Brown said was false. Right wing hate radio and GOP in general hold UN and their (our) objectives in disdain and have vehemently screamed for the end of the UN.
The arrogance, audacity, and consequential blunders of the manifest destiny foreign policy of the USA come at a very high price indeed. Its like a boss thats a raging alcoholic and no one can change them on their dysfunction and as a result brings the whole organization down.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:52 pm“Nice UN you’ve got there, Deputy. Be a shame if something happened to it, wouldn’t it?”
June 7th, 2006 at 3:53 pmThom: “I’m an American and I do not agree with American Ambassador to the UN, Michael Bolton.” Ummm, was that supposed to be a joke, in which case I doubt your e-mail had its intended effect, no matter what first name you gave Bolton.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:54 pmThere is a very real Need to expose the small country that has consistently bashed the United Nations because of its own Human Rights Record. Its a member of the UN and like the US its record of human rights is terrible.
June 7th, 2006 at 3:55 pmI think the US owes the UN an apology for sending Bolton there to begin with. I know the uN has come under severe criticism for a great many reasons, but as the saying goes, its not the best but its the best we have, and the UN is the only international body that can deal with so many issues all under one roof and bolton isnt the guy for that job. Bush sent an agitator instead of a Diplomat.
June 7th, 2006 at 4:06 pmD’oh! They told me not to blog angry. I never listen.
JOHN Bolton. JOHN Bolton.
June 7th, 2006 at 4:07 pmThank you Badmoodman. Here’s my corrected message from #11:
all, fax, email soon…
Just left a message for Mark Malloch Brown at the United Nations Development Program (UNDP) he heads:
To Mark Mallock Brown:
I’m an American and I do not agree with American Ambassador to the UN, John Bolton. You did not criticize and were not condscending to me; you criticized the Bush administration and its polocies toward the UN as carried out by Amb. Bolton, as well as the gasbag Rush Limbaugh and the White House typists at FOXNews.
I thank you for that. DO NOT APOLOGIZE.
Sincerely,
)
United Nations Development Program (UNDP)
June 7th, 2006 at 4:09 pmAdministrator
Mark Malloch Brown
Address:
Regional Bureau for Europe and the CIS
1 United Nations Plaza
16th Floor
New York, NY 10017
USA
Tel: 1 (212) 906 5000
Fax: 1 (212) 906 6595/6267
http://www.undp.org/undp/rbec
Wasn’t it Bolton that had his own — ummm, “unique” — suggestion for remodeling the UN Building?
Cheers,
June 7th, 2006 at 4:12 pmThe name “United Nations”, coined by United States President Franklin D. Roosevelt, was first used in the “Declaration by United Nations” of 1 January 1942, during the Second World War, when representatives of 26 nations pledged their governments to continue fighting together against the Axis Powers.
States first established international organizations to cooperate on specific matters. The International Telecommunication Union was founded in 1865 as the International Telegraph Union, and the Universal Postal Union was established in 1874. Both are now United Nations specialized agencies.
In 1899, the first International Peace Conference was held in The Hague to elaborate instruments for settling crises peacefully, preventing wars and codifying rules of warfare. It adopted the Convention for the Pacific Settlement of International Disputes and established the Permanent Court of Arbitration, which began work in 1902.
The forerunner of the United Nations was the League of Nations, an organization conceived in similar circumstances during the First World War, and established in 1919 under the Treaty of Versailles “to promote international cooperation and to achieve peace and security.”
The International Labour Organization was also created under the Treaty of Versailles as an affiliated agency of the League. The League of Nations ceased its activities after failing to prevent the Second World War.
In 1945, representatives of 50 countries met in San Francisco at the United Nations Conference on International Organization to draw up the United Nations Charter. Those delegates deliberated on the basis of proposals worked out by the representatives of China, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom and the United States at Dumbarton Oaks, United States, in August-October 1944. The Charter was signed on 26 June 1945 by the representatives of the 50 countries. Poland, which was not represented at the Conference, signed it later and became one of the original 51 member states.
The United Nations officially came into existence on 24 October 1945, when the Charter had been ratified by China, France, the Soviet Union, the United Kingdom, the United States and a majority of other signatories. United Nations Day is celebrated on 24 October each year.
June 7th, 2006 at 4:14 pmWHAT THE UN DOES FOR PEACE
Preserving world peace is a central purpose of the United Nations. Under the Charter, Member States agree to settle disputes by peaceful means and refrain from threatening or using force against other States.
Except if your American goverment
June 7th, 2006 at 4:17 pmPreserving world peace is NOT a central purpose of the United Nations. Under the Charter, Member States DO NOT agree to settle disputes by peaceful means and DO NOT refrain from threatening or using force against other States.
Thank you for making our and the UN’s point.
June 7th, 2006 at 4:23 pmBolton is a stupid Bush stooge who must apologize to the UN or resign his position! How dare he threaten Kofi Annan with threats of retaliation against the United Nations!
June 7th, 2006 at 4:24 pmSo you have spent all your time at work in the bathroom?
June 7th, 2006 at 4:26 pmBolton probably has screwed up any UN vote on Iran, or perhaps Bush decided Russia, China, and other nations will not back any military action on Iran so incite a fight to justify skirting the UN on Iran?!
June 7th, 2006 at 4:31 pm#15 and #18
June 7th, 2006 at 4:33 pmI celebrate your opinions. Bolton should apologize for breathing.
Thom: “Thank you Badmoodman. Here’s my corrected message from #11…” – - Well, to beat a dying horse, you’ve got more misspelled words in the updated version too. And I don’t know how far leveling ad hominem attacks, no matter how odious the individual, will get you much notice with serious people.
June 7th, 2006 at 4:34 pm# 25. UN is worthless.
June 7th, 2006 at 4:36 pmSorry guys, but AHead, got this right.
Doctor Whovee speaks! Don’t listen
June 7th, 2006 at 4:40 pmI would not Knock the UN it will only be 10-15 years before America fully appreciates what they do for world peace and seeks help from them
June 7th, 2006 at 4:46 pmBadmoodman
Arg. I apologize. I’m trying to work (writing and editing, if that irony isn’t too painful) and send messages at the same time. I promise to be more careful in the future.
Regarding the ad hominem attacks: You may be right.
June 7th, 2006 at 4:48 pmWhile the UN should be able to work, it simply fails since the rest of the world piggy backs off US cash. If the US pays over 90% of the UN bill and supplies most all the supplies and troops for said missions, we should get the sole say on if UN policy moves forward.
I say split the bill evenly among all nations and give everyone an equal vote.
Of course that won’t work either since the rest of the world will never do anything outside of talk. If the other nations of the world won’t pony up equal cash, troops, and supplies, let them be our bratty children.
June 7th, 2006 at 4:57 pmMichael Bolton, John Bolton … who cares?
They’re both no-talent assclowns.
June 7th, 2006 at 4:58 pmBolton Threatens UN Over UN-Bashing Remarks…
“How dare you get upset when I’m insulting the UN, you !#@$%&*?”…
June 7th, 2006 at 5:00 pmBecause of some events that I’m aware of, I’m somewhat angry at the moment, so please bare with me. But this is an interesting set of occurrences with this issue along with a few others! It would be wise for everyone to step back from viewing this too closely as there is something bigger involved. I’m sure it will bubble up soon, so be patient. If you want to see it, you’ll have to back away.
I’ve mentioned many times in the past that I was in a family for more than 26 years who joined Organized Crime, but it wasn’t any ordinary crime system. It extended beyond the US shores into other countries as well dealing in International Drug Distribution, Wide Scale Political Corruption and much more. Please keep in mind that this criminal system isn’t just here in the US, it’s all over the World as they call themselves the World’s Largest Criminal System. Over the years from being involved in this, I tried not to remember many of the things that were learned. The big issues seemed to be too weird and more like fantasy, but frankly they are totally true.
The real problem with the UN is it hasn’t been able to function as it should. There have been outside power group(s) attempting to steer it in different directions for different reasons. Some of this has been for corruption of course, but others seem to have another agenda. As you’ll learn hopefully in the near future, this will be shocking, disturbing and may even scare the willies out of you. It will be history wanting to repeat itself, but only on a much grander scale. My real hope is that the problem I’ve alluded to is being taken out.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:03 pmJerad–
Your statements would be more accurate if:
1. The U.S. actually funded 90% of the UN (it only funds 22%);
2. The U.S. bothered to pay its bill.
Next time, facts would be nice.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:04 pmThe “UN” shouldn’t get upset when we tell it what to do. We are almost completely the sole provider of cash, supplies, and troops for it anyways.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:05 pmThe UN wants the US to fully fund it, yet not disagree with it. Makes no sense.
If I buy a majority share in a company, I get full say. Should work the same way with the UN IMO.
Nice Link Unholy Moses.
I loled a little when it said the UN levied anything against us. We owe the UN debt? HAHA. Were is the UN head quarters based? What is the percentage of US troops used when the UN goes to war or should I say peace keeping missions?
Last time I checked, Koffi didn’t really care anyways, as he is to worried fighting to keep all his oil for food money he got.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:09 pmYou were right Unholy Moses. We contribute 22%.
The U.S. contributes roughly 22% of the UN budget; in fact a small group of countries, led by the U.S. and Japan, shoulders roughly eighty percent of the UN regular budget, while eighty percent of the General Assembly (GA) members contribute less than twenty percent but benefit disproportionately from their contributions.
So I was kinda right. Most the world gets what they want for hardly nothing while the U.S and a few others shoulder over 80% of the budget. PLEASE.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:14 pmJohn Bolton – King of the Condescending and Patronizing Tone.
…and mustache rides.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:16 pmJerad, does this mean that in this country, since rich people pay most of the taxes, the rich should decide how the country is run, and poor people who may no taxes should have no say in it? Do you think democracy is bunk?
June 7th, 2006 at 5:17 pmJerad,
You are wrong. And your last statement proves that you are just a UN hating troll.
Remember, all you need to know is what Fox News tells you.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:17 pmLet me see if I have the facts of this story. A country with the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons (and the only country to have used these weapons in conflict) is tired of being burdened by the unpredictable outcomes of international diplomacy. The leader of this rogue nation has guaranteed the failure of international diplomacy by appointing unskilled and emotionally unbalanced individuals to serve as chief liason to the international community. The leader of this rogue nation poisoned the well of diplomacy by making blatantly false statements about the threat posed by another nation, engaged in an unjustifed war of aggression, ignored the Geneva convention on treatment of prisoners, created unrelenting suffering on a national scale, and allowed sectarian and ethnic violence to spiral out of control. The leader of this rogue nation and his supporters are now interested in yet another unjustified war of aggression and prefer to criticize the value of diplomacy because killing innocent people in war is important for the news entertainment industry and for political ratings. The leader of this rogue nation stirs up his supporters against the international diplomatic community, demanding an end to dialog and the beginning of another conflict, hopefully in time to boost flagging poll numbers in an upcoming election cycle.
I am ashamed to be a citizen of this rogue nation, lead into neverending war by Supreme Leader Bush and with the ever petulant and incompetent racist named Bolton as the liason to the international diplomatic community. Bellicose statements by supporters of Supreme Leader Bush are puzzling because these supporters have never served the country in uniform, but enjoy using public forums to spew cowardly vitriol.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:17 pmW O W – YOU HAVE TO HEAR THIS!
please, do whatever you can, however you can, and listen to what RANDI RHODES is saying, right now, about not apologizing for calling out the lies and hypocricy… truly amazing…
hopefully, it will be posted on her website… she always has podcast of each show…
A W E S O M E.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:20 pmAnyone who does not believe in what the United Nations represents and the functions it performs as a world body does not understand the concept of “peace” nor do they believe in Democracy.
It is also not a coincidence that the “End the UN” billboards and posters that you see, and referred to in some comments above, are in areas that have populations that are below the national average in education and measurable intelligence. Only the uninformed and ignorant call for an end to the UN. Anyone who is knowledgable of world history understands both how and why the UN came to be and what vital functions it performs in ensuring world peace and international harmony.
Now, if anyone were to claim the UN is a perfect system it would be irresponsible and incorrect. However, it is a solid foundation and something to be built upon. For Americans, specifically, to be critical of the Democratic structure of the UN presumes that the American Democracy is perfect, which any intelligent being knows to be false.
It is also interesting to note that the Americans really started complaining hard about the UN only when it began to get in the way of its economic exploitation, illegal and immoral military engagements, and human rights violations.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:28 pmIf I buy a majority share in a company, I get full say. Should work the same way with the UN IMO.
Comment by Jerad — June 7, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
I disagree. It shouldn’t be the same way. You don’t run a governing body the way you run a business. The goals are entirely different.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:28 pm“Jerad, does this mean that in this country, since rich people pay most of the taxes, the rich should decide how the country is run, and poor people who may no taxes should have no say in it? Do you think democracy is bunk? ”
HAHA, How many Democrats in Congress are poor? Of course the “Rich” lead this country. Both parties are filled with rich elitist that could care less about the “issues”. I am no Republican nor am I democrat.
I got more the fed up with the Bush administration when they falled to make any positive change in America. I currently look at the democrats and wonder when they will outline what is important to them and SPECIFICALLY how they are going to change america for the better.
Republicans do a great job talking about issues and what they are going to do. Sadly, they never do it. Democrats in recent years only seem to critisize the republicans, yet never provide solutions to all the mistakes they point out about the other party.
Daily Kos today is a great example. He points out how democrats needs to avoid “issues” and focus on “culture of lies” and “movtivating the base”. That better not fly or the american voting public isn’t bright. I am one that wants a projected leader to state what the major problems are AND specifically how to fix them.
If democrats don’t like the War in Iraq, specifically lay out your plan to improve the situation. I am not a fan of Iraq either, but all I hear from the right is new plans going forward. The left is focused 100% at bashing the right. PROVIDE A PLAN.
If the left is against social policies:
1) Drop the hate speech, us normal folks are sick of it
2) Propose a specific plan on how you want to fix the problem.
3) Focus on it from day 1.
Most of us are just sick of the left simply because all they do is hate. The right isn’t much better since they can only talk a good game, yet never come through.
Right now we see the Congress discussing unimportant issues such as flag burning and gay marriage. While they are meaningful discussions, there are more important fish to fry. Why not focus on stricter educational policies to make our schools better? Why not help fuel the economy ever further by passing perminent tax reform? Why not focus on getting the corruption out of Washington? How about limited the “special interest” people’s power? I want true change ASAP. I don’t care if your title is Republican or Democrat. I haven’t heard a Deocrat proposal in years.
They need to stop being the party that only focus’ on pointing out the bad. They need to start being the party of change. “Think Progress” anyone? Progress is a Democrat term often used. Progress is only acheived in government with policy. It is never achieved by just attacking the other party.
If you want to focus your life on attacking a president that only has a few years left of his political life, fine. It gets you no where though. If you attack, at least follow up the attack with a specific proposal of how you would make it better.
If you did that, the left would sweep the house and senate this fall followed by a landslide victory for the presidency.
IMO
June 7th, 2006 at 5:33 pmThe UN is as effective as the US wants it to be. Therefore, if it ain’t workin’………..
June 7th, 2006 at 5:34 pmSeems a bit of an international threat posed on a like stage. How will the US victimize the UN?
Where has the USA I knew gone?
This man has no diplomatic skills — why is he in a diplomatic position?
“…even worse was the condescending and patronizing tone about the American people…”
I find Bush, his administration and his loyal followers to be condescending and patronizing to the American people every day. Is Bolton afraid the U.N. is stepping on their condescending and patronizing turf?
June 7th, 2006 at 5:37 pmThe UN is as effective as the US wants it to be. Therefore, if it ain’t workin’………..
Seems a bit of an international threat posed on a like stage. How will the US victimize the UN?
So on the one hand you morons don’t want the US controlling the UN, but on the other hand “the UN is as effective as the US wants it to be”. Are you idiots even capable of rational thought?
Why don’t you nazi leftist Americans say what you really think. You hate America, and you love any fascist UN diplomat who bashes America.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:40 pm1. What are the important issues the Democrat party are focusing on?
2. What specifically are your plans to address said issues?
If your answer to number 1 is bash Bush, your wasting your time. Beating a dead dog doesn’t make it more dead. With that said, I honestly want to know what the true issues are and exactly how you plan to get then done. I have no clue how to vote coming up. I admit that I am a disalusioned Republican. How is someone like me supposed to veiw the Democrats? Is it really true that your only goal for election is to bash Bush? That just can’t be true because then the american public doesn’t have a party to vote for.
Is it time for a 3rd party yet?
June 7th, 2006 at 5:48 pmnazi leftist
Comment by rick — June 7, 2006 @ 5:40 pm
That is what is referred to as an oxymoron. Facists are considered right on the political scale. I think what you meant to say was commie leftists.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:48 pm#57 “This man has no diplomatic skills — why is he in a diplomatic position?”
John Bolton is a bully who has a long reputation of harrassing subordinates. The story of him in Uzbekistan running down a hotel hallway, banging on the door, and yelling and threatening an American NGO (I think) worker is well known. I believe he also threw a stapler at her, if it was the same incident.
Bolton can also be seen in the mob that descended on the Florida Registrar of Voter’s office in the 2000 election that demanded the recount, which was going Gore’s way, be stopped.
Bolton has no qualifications to be UN ambassador except that he’s a successful political agitator. He follows the Party line and if anything errs to the radical side, which will always ensure him continued employment by some shadowy right-wing organization, of which there are too many to count.
June 7th, 2006 at 5:58 pmSo, you consider “Stay the Course” a plan. Oy!
June 7th, 2006 at 6:06 pmIs it time for a 3rd party yet?
Comment by Jerad — June 7, 2006 @ 5:48 pm
It’s been time for a third party for decades, at least. One of the fundamental problems to our system of elections is that the people in charge want for it to be between two, and ONLY two, parties. That makes it easier to turn every issue into an “us vs. them” thing. With other parties, and with them (I hope) other ideas, it’s hard to convince people that this one is right and the other one is totally wrong when the truth is they’re probably both wrong. The alternative choices are more likely to have a position that strikes a balance between the position of the two major parties. Neither the Democratic Party nor the Republican Party knows how to govern differently. They only know how to turn every issue into a pissing contest where, in the end, nothing gets done except for everyone getting pissed on.
I believe that change in our government’s ways of doing things will only happen when all of the Democratics and Republicans are replaced by fresh faces and new ideas. As long as either of the two major parties is in power, they will always do whatever they feel they have to to protect their incumbencies, and the public be damned.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:07 pmI put more trust and faith in the UN and Kofi Annan than anyone serving the BUSHITLER administration.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:07 pm#58, Rick;
June 7th, 2006 at 6:10 pmPeace be with you.
If I buy a majority share in a company, I get full say. Should work the same way with the UN IMO.
Comment by Jerad — June 7, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
I disagree. It shouldn’t be the same way. You don’t run a governing body the way you run a business. The goals are entirely different.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider
Yeah, we see Bush trying to run the country like a CEO and what he is doing is running into the ground.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:11 pmHow about the UN remind this nobody that he wasnt even put there through the normal process where by congress gives their nod of approval… he was snuck in and so has no legitimacy.
And NO the UN was not criticizing the American people they simply stated the truth. All during that past two presidental compaigns all we heard was “activisits judges!” giving over our soverignty to the UN… blah blah blah…” and ” The UN is irrelevant!” blah blah blah… ” and ” One world order! Corrupt UN! Out to destory Israel UN! blah blah blah” …
Hey Bolton … that is the fact! You took it as criticism because you know just like everyone else that he was right and it is wrong for the republicans to be attacking the UN for political gain when the UN was primarily created by the US for the betterment of the world. And the republicans obviously are not interested in the betterment of the world and betray everything America tried to do after WWII by attacking the UN all the time….
June 7th, 2006 at 6:13 pm#52 – katy, can you post that website address again? I know you’ve posted it before, but I wouldn’t know where to look for it. Thanks.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:18 pmThe UN is a peace keeping organization.
The Bush administration is a warmongering organization.
That is why the Bush administration wants the UN to not have any power.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:21 pmWe don’t have to call the neo-cons conservative any more. They are the new fascists with ties all the way back to late 1920s Germany and Italy. They are also as arrogant and despise any respect for law and order outside of their own war oriented definition. It isn’t hard to see the connection between the two with the heavy investment before WW II and even the early part of the war. They also hired away many that were in the Fascist and Nazi organizations to fight communism, alway overstating the risk. The use of fear against the red menace kept their peers in the offices all accross Europe.
The 50s and 60s used scare tactics that the communists were infliltrating our young people as headlines going way over the top about drug use and social communes being organized made it to page 1 in all of the papers and were the talk of the MSM. The documents created by J. Edgar Hoover and his reasons for watching most the organizations that the FBI was following and tapping reads like a paranoid kook completely out of touch with most kids and young adults that were just going to school, doing what their parents told them, and doing kid stuff just as their parents did.
With Bush running the CIA in the 70s and the war on drugs, this war was and is run just as the clear skies initiative. The US protected the golden triangle and pumped enough drugs into weathy countries around the world to turn once clean neighborhoods into reams of drug houses and made the streets where kids used to play impossible to go out in. The US hasn’t quite been right in the head ever since. We got our McCarthey war mongers into office by the 1980s moving full steam ahead at crushing inner cities as well as any country even considering to withold their resources from US corporations. The rest is all death squads, wars, war profiteering, peddling drugs at ever increasing rates and incarceration for those not wealthy enough to stay out of the target of law enforcement.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:22 pm#62, I agree with Jerad’s assessment that we (the left) are too full of hate and and equal amount of BS as is the Right (with o’reilly, hannity, and coulter). THis is why there’s people like Jerad, and myself, who stay aloof from both parties.
The problem with the extremists (right and left) is that they are SOOO blinded by their hate and disdain of each other, that they won’t consider each other’s proposals (if they’re reconciliatory) or decent compromises. Any such compromises are considered political maneuvering towards their own agendas.
BLIND BY HATE = both parties. Conclusion… PARTIES = not American, and definately not democratic.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:28 pmNice post!
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June 7th, 2006 at 6:29 pmzookeeper – http://www.therandirhodesshow.com/live/
BUT – she has been on a major roll today, and just announced that her site crashed…
i called and got through, but i was too emotional, and really only wanted her to know how grateful i was for what she was saying, so i told the guy to give her a major big hug and tell i called from illinois… i asked for a transcript, but he said they would post it on her site… probably won’t get there till later… her rant was in response to a caller – oh! it was amazing…
go to http://airamericaradio.com/ to listen on stream… she’s only on live another 20 minutes, but majority report is great also…
her last guest was mark krispin miller, about the voting machine fraud… forget the name of his book, but go to this site – votersunite.org – for more VERY IMPORTANT information
June 7th, 2006 at 6:38 pmThis criminal administration expects everyone to cover up their crimes. They don’t answer the charges against them—they make threats. The charges—being true—are unanswerable.
If Bush and Co. were real Americans, they’d know that Americans don’t run when their freedom is threatened by power hungry thugs who shred the Constitution. Of course, the spotlight will be shone brightly on their criminal acts, and they will lose.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:41 pmI read through the comments of this post and I’m in awe at how quickly the discussion was turned to “right vs. left”, “demo vs. repub”, “our team vs. your team”. Unfortunately such is the way of the current political landscape of the United States. Rather than discuss issues intelligently, debating the pros and cons, it’s all about winning-at-all-costs. I’ve heard some refer to this phenomenon as “partisan brain” but really it is just a childish mentality. You Americans cannot seem to distinguish between that which is a game and that which is adult life.
You kill hundreds of thousands of people and your main concern (and I apologize for the generalization but, unfortunately, it is appropriate) is not for the men, women, and CHILDREN who have been murdered, but rather it is how to benefit your political party (team). It is a callous and arrogant attitude that has not been seen since the Roman Empire, which really does not bode well for you.
The world really only has two questions about the United States currently:
1. When (not if) is the US going to implode?
and
2. Will the US try to come and kill us.
This may sound extreme to you, but that is only because of your arrogance. Keep in mind, though, that the world is hopeful for the return of the US to what it was, a great Democracy and ally in the cause of peace and WORLD prosperity. Of course, many of you will view this as an insult, or an attack on your “team”, the irony of which is not lost on the world intelligentsia.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:44 pmyea, ironchef… it’s really a shame that POSERS need to come here and spew reichwing bullshit accusations about how full of hate the left is…
June 7th, 2006 at 6:46 pmit’s called ANGER, and it’s RIGHTEOUS ANGER… why aren’t YOU there?
Quotes from Engels.
“True, it is a fixed idea with the French that the Rhine is their property, but to this arrogant demand the only reply worthy of the German nation is Arndt’s: “Give back Alsace and Lorraine”. For I am of the opinion, perhaps in contrast to many whose standpoint I share in other respects, that the reconquest of the German-speaking left bank of the Rhine is a matter of national honour, and that the Germanisation of a disloyal Holland and of Belgium is a political necessity for us. Shall we let the German nationality be completely suppressed in these countries, while the Slavs are rising ever more powerfully in the East?”
This is our calling, that we shall become the templars of this Grail, gird the sword round our loins for its sake and stake our lives joyfully in the last, holy war which will be followed by the thousand-year reign of freedom.
And this nice quote from our buddy Marx:
“Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew — not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time…. We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development — to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed — has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry”.
Marx, Engels, and Hitler – three peas in a pod. Hitler was a socialist.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:54 pmThe world really only has two questions about the United States currently:
1. When (not if) is the US going to implode?
and
2. Will the US try to come and kill us.
Yeah, you speak for the WORLD. You think anybody except the rest of you demented leftists is buying that shit anymore?
Of course, many of you will view this as an insult, or an attack on your “teamâ€, the irony of which is not lost on the world intelligentsia.
Intelligenstia? bahaha. I love when the gestapo intelligenstia from Europe try to cover up their failures.
June 7th, 2006 at 6:57 pmHitler persecuted the communists along with the jews, the gays, and gypsys. If you notice the quote from Engels is laced with religous references, while the quote from marx is of a more secular nature.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:00 pm#80 illustrates my point perfectly. He/she does not debate the issue, but rather immediately labels me so that I conveniently become a member of the other “team” so that he/she can then attempt to attack me with insults.
Is this what America has become, a nation of blathering fools who are only looking for who to hate and/or kill? I hope not, but please explain to me why you all should not be viewed in this manner.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:14 pmMichael Bolton said all that? No wonder he
June 7th, 2006 at 7:26 pmis losing all his hair.
Marx, Engels, and Hitler – three peas in a pod. Hitler was a socialist.
Comment by rick
Hitler was no more a socialist than neo-cons are conservatives.
Hitler had always liked Röhm; he was one of the first members of the Nazi Party and had participated in the Beer Hall Putsch. But Hitler was under increasing pressure to reduce the influence of the SA. Hitler’s wealthy industrialist supporters were concerned over the SA’s socialist leanings: Socialist rhetoric had been useful for the Nazi rise to power, but many felt the ideology stood in contradiction to nationalist Nazi goals. Military leaders were likewise alarmed by Röhm’s proposal that the German army, which was limited by the Treaty of Versailles to 100,000 men, be absorbed into the larger SA, which in early 1934 numbered 2.5 million. Some leaders of the Nazi party also joined in the dislike that many conservative officers expressed over the overt homosexuality of Röhm and some other SA leaders.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:28 pmThank you, Thom, for the contact information for Marc Brown at the U.N. I emailed him in full support of his position.
It is not sufficient to move the U.N. to Europe. The Security Council needs to be abolished and the decisions of two-thirds of the Assembly need to be made binding on ALL members.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:29 pmIs this what America has become, a nation of blathering fools who are only looking for who to hate and/or kill? I hope not, but please explain to me why you all should not be viewed in this manner.
Comment by Humanist
It has already been covered a few hundred years ago. Learn you American beginnings and you will understand the same struggle that they fought it still being fought today….
Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free– if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending–if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained–we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
June 7th, 2006 at 7:32 pmThe last line, Judd, says it all.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:40 pmLooks like Bolton can dish it out, but he can’t take it.
Just like all the Republicans.
Gerald is it time to recharge that badboy, that idea of liberty or death?
June 7th, 2006 at 7:41 pmIsn’t Bolton on a short term assignment? He wasn’t confirmed? Or he was an interim appointee? So he’s making as much noise as he can in his 19 months.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:42 pmIsn’t Bolton on a short term assignment? He wasn’t confirmed? Or he was an interim appointee? So he’s making as much noise as he can in his 19 months.
Comment by Marie
Bolton’s confirmation failed, because even the republicans did not feel he was right for the job, too much of a hot head to be a diplomat. So Bush used a recess appointment.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:47 pmthe apointment term expires when the new congress meets at the beginning of next year.
Yeah, the UN will be a victim of Bolton and the Admin’s wrath. “You won’t get away with messing with me” Bolton says like a little bully in gradeschool. And yes he did throw a stapler at one of his subordinates.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:49 pmGerald is it time to recharge that badboy, that idea of liberty or death?
Comment by For
I suggest we make the chest thumping republicans understand that there will be dire consequences to be paid if they do not heed the lessons of Americas founders. I will NOT watch my son go into wars that are to come without taking at least one head of those responsible with me. For now others sons are dieing… if they are so “proud” then let them hug their pride to sleep each night instead of their children. As for me and my son… in a few years he will be of age. And if by then they are forcing people to go I will go in his place and the battle will be here in America against those facists that betray the sentiments of people like Patrick Henry.
Guillotines today are being forged from signing statements. If teamwork and brotherhood is to be had it must come from both sides. Not the subjugation of one side.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:51 pmYeah Gerald,
My son is 9 right now, I’ll be damned if he’s gonna go die for some politicians’ war.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:54 pmMine is 9 as well
June 7th, 2006 at 7:54 pmBolton proved Brown’s position by his response. Enough said.
June 7th, 2006 at 7:59 pmThank you, Wayne
June 7th, 2006 at 8:24 pmMy pleasure, RealityCheck
And thanks. We needed a better speller to do that. ;]
June 7th, 2006 at 8:31 pmit is how to benefit your political party (team)
Comment by Humanist — June 7, 2006 @ 6:44 pm
I agree with some of what you write but not all as you are too partisan dualistic. There are people here who are not on the ‘left’ but are moderates which is what binds most who post here. There is definitely a ‘them’ vs ‘us’ battle because it is really moderates vs extremists from different political teams. Dualism is often bitter and childish, e.g. allies vs nazis, communism vs capitalism etc. America is in the grip of a ‘cold’ civil war right now.
I think America is almost certain to become a theocracy, it’s only a matter of time. Godless is already perceived as a negative term – so much so I wonder what proportion see Godless as an intellectual, educated, realistic, factual, only rational term? Being Godless is the antithesis of embracing the ‘Dark Ages’. Evangelical Trust schools are churning out thousands every year and they’re breeding – with financial and political clout I think they are going to prevail. There is no effective, serious, mass co-ordinated effort to counter them, they’re still given humble titles like ‘fundies’ or ‘wingnuts’. They are anything but humble and are not being taken nearly seriously enough.
Extremists ‘feel’ rather than ‘think’ – they are emotional automatons who cannot argue factually as they are largely uneducated e.g. confusion with Plan B which does not cause abortions and the reason/support for such a debacle at all. Extremists resort to attacking the messenger as this is all thy can do – so you have a system where logical, reasonable people are fighting irrational, filthy, emotional, lying loudmouths.
Where is the opportunity for reasoned debate with mentalities like that? If we were facing the sheer number of extremists in Britain – would we be any better at debate? I doubt it.
June 7th, 2006 at 8:32 pm104, yeah I also like some of the quotes from Thomas Jefferson
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.
Thomas Jefferson
The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
Thomas Jefferson
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
June 7th, 2006 at 8:34 pmThomas Jefferson
I thought walruses had thick skin.
Btw, Mo Do’s been up since this morning, in case ya’ll missed the morning link.
June 7th, 2006 at 8:57 pmBolton, what a joke. Nobody on this planet respects him.
How could we with all of the decade old snot hanging on that stash of his?
I bet everybody knows somebody who has a nasty ass stash like that? Am I right? Don’t these weirdo’s know that everybody is laughing at them? Don’t they know that there’s not a woman (except republican women) that will ever smooch that nasty ol snot ridden mouth?
Bolton, you’re a disgrace and nasty, take a shower and shave for once. You stink too.
June 7th, 2006 at 9:16 pmI’ve been WAITING for someone at the UN to stand up for themselves. I have grown so tired of the UN bashing-particularly by Fox. Fox can’t handle the idea of other nations having a say in what goes on in this world. They also don’t like trying to avoid wars-Fox WANTS wars and they have no interest or respect for Diplomacy whatsoever. They think that only the US should have ’super-powers’.
Bolton sounds like an angry 4th grade teacher that wants to punish the entire class (or entire school) for something one student said or did. He’s a joke. Let us not forget Bolton was a highly contraversial Bush Recess-Appointment. Most in Congress DID NOT want this guy at the UN and Bush knew he would not be confirmed by nomination.
BUSH’S EGO, INCOMPETENCE AND CRONY-LOVING ACTIONS CONTINUE TO PUT THIS COUNTRY AT RISK IN NUMEROUS SITUATIONS ON AN ALMOST DAILY BASIS.
Maybe the critical words of another at the UN (which Bolton thinks only HE HIMSELF can engage in) will make Bolton’s head explode. This isn’t the 4th grade, Mr. Bolton, it’s the United Nations.
June 7th, 2006 at 9:24 pmthis guy should be no where near any group that survives on diplomacy
what a hot-head idiot; #2 spoke the truth.
June 7th, 2006 at 9:37 pmI WISH TP READERS/POSTERS WOULD ****STOP***** GIVING ANY ATTENTION TO THE DESPERATE TROLLS THAT WANDER AROUND.
Trolls crave attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture.
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
June 7th, 2006 at 9:42 pmOne could be forgiven for concluding that the UN is just another impediment to our sacred mission of American Right-Wing World Domination.
June 7th, 2006 at 9:47 pmIf I buy a majority share in a company, I get full say. Should work the same way with the UN IMO.
Comment by Jerad — June 7, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
Jerad: If you really want to become something other than a disaffected Republican brat, I suggest you stop talking like Bolton.
You go from bashing the UN because it will not do exactly as the US orders (typical childish tantrum) to outlining your own particular legislative agenda which you say will take the LEFT to victory in November.
Before you save the world, I think you need to get all your personalities together and decide which one is going to lead!
June 7th, 2006 at 9:47 pmJAY, ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS IGNORE THEM. THEY HATE THAT AND WILL GO ELSEWHERE.
The reason they are here is clearly a clue that they have been rejected elsewhere and are not capable of legitimate debate….even within their own political party. They have no interest in bettering their own party either. or they would be at blogs that support their points of view….they are only interested in doing what some chimpanzees do:
GRABBING SHIT OUT OF THEIR OWN ASS AND THROWING AT PEOPLE.
Please ignore these idiots. Now. They hate not being repsonded to. They’re pathetic and desperate and juvenile.
June 7th, 2006 at 9:50 pmPost 141 Paige that is good advice > I hope everyone ignores you know who and the other trolls!
June 7th, 2006 at 9:56 pm“Why don’t you nazi leftist Americans say what you really think. You hate America, and you love any fascist UN diplomat who bashes America.”
Comment by rick [the parrot]— June 7, 2006 @ 5:40 pm
Do even know what you’re talking about Rick?
June 7th, 2006 at 10:11 pmJay,
Your articulate posts are most definitely filled with compassion, kindness and love… :)
June 7th, 2006 at 10:24 pmDo even know what you’re talking about Rick?
Comment by Musk — June 7, 2006 @ 10:11 pm
I’m going with – no. Anyone who uses the adjectives Nazi and liberal to refer to the same person or group of people is clearly utterly clueless…
June 7th, 2006 at 10:26 pmcome on guys…………you’re feeding the trolls the attention that they are so desperately, pathetically seeking
I WISH TP READERS/POSTERS WOULD ****STOP***** GIVING ANY ATTENTION TO THE DESPERATE TROLLS THAT WANDER AROUND.
Trolls CRAVE attention, and they care not whether it is positive or negative. They see the Internet as a mirror into which they can gaze in narcissistic rapture.
**********PLEASE READ THIS LINK BELOW******************
http://members.aol.com/intwg/trolls.htm
June 7th, 2006 at 10:44 pmPost 146 > thank you for the compliment unbelievable! We must all try to have compassion for even trolls on TP threads > lol if possible!
June 7th, 2006 at 10:45 pmThank you, John Bolton, for exposing the United Nations for what it is — an anti-American cabal and apologist organization for tyrants…And thank you Geroge W. Bush for appointing this man to the U.N. America thanks you.
June 7th, 2006 at 10:49 pmYeah, ’cause without them we’d have nothing with which to compare and contrast. In fact, this week in particular, I most definitely value my sanity even more than usual… :)
I went to the Aquarium today. Still crowded 8 months after opening – but it was still really cool. If you’re into marine life you should put it on your list of things in Atlanta worth seeing… :)
June 7th, 2006 at 10:50 pm#75 – Thanks, katy.
June 7th, 2006 at 10:52 pm#153 – I’m still laughing abut the leftist Nazis. My stomache hurts. ;)
Sounds ike a cool aquarium. One of my most favorite places in Golden Gate Park was the aquarium — and the Japanese Garden.
#149 – Paige, I think most of us understand what you’re trying to do here, and we try to ignore it. But it changes its name constantly, and while the regulars here can usually spot it, others cannot, and it gets its fix. We’ll keep trying, of course! It’s taking advantage of YearlyKos right now.
June 7th, 2006 at 10:58 pmGotta go, the repeat of the Daily Show is on. Bill Bennett stew, apparently!
June 7th, 2006 at 10:59 pmPost 153 > I took my elderly parents to see the Aquarium last month > we all enjoyed it! I liked the huge tropical tank with the whale sharks and yellow fish swimming after them! Coca Cola is building an exhibit next door and should be interesting next year when finished!
June 7th, 2006 at 11:01 pmYou know Mr. Bolton is a dolt and his obnoxiousness is hard to take…..on the other hand I really enjoy when his voice get’s high pitched and loud, when he booms out “When a man loves a woman”.
Oh wait that’s Michael Bolton. Never mind.
June 7th, 2006 at 11:08 pmSo are we to your messages you keep posting here now that I have your attention….
June 8th, 2006 at 12:00 amTry making some sense..it helps further the conversation
June 8th, 2006 at 12:02 amThat is why the phone is ringing
June 8th, 2006 at 12:09 aman amazing waste of space… arguing with a meth freak…
June 8th, 2006 at 12:47 amzookeeper, and all – randi’s site is up and running and the “un-apology” from today is posted – it is great… i wish at least part of the call that prompted it was included, but it’s great as is…
June 8th, 2006 at 12:51 amunder CLIP
Randi Rhodes
(2006-06-07)
The shocking difference between Randi and the Ann Coulters of the world is revealed: Randi tells the truth and uses facts to back it up!
Dude/Lady–whatever you are…in reading your posts-all CAPS, vulgarity, profanity, even the content itself with threats…..you sound seriously disturbed (and lonely). You seem well beyond politically angry and have verged into crazy, actually. I c&p’d your posts to TP.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:44 amWhat state are you in…I can offer help and provide the phone number for the Mental Ward. I don’t mean this sarcastically either. It sounds like you need serious help.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:51 amI am listening to the news about the air strikes in Iraq that might have resulted in U.S. officials: Al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been killed.
And doing other work on the computer…you have been here for hours and haver changed NOBODIES mind except for convincing us either you are completely insane or a troll trying a new tactic…I think the second
June 8th, 2006 at 3:37 amFoolish to give that fact away if your trying to be soooo insane here troll
June 8th, 2006 at 3:39 amENZO if that is your name? Where do you live > what state? Who pays you to post on here acting crazy?
June 8th, 2006 at 3:45 amPost 279 Paige > me and clif think his crazy ranting is an act to disrupt TP threads, but if we are wrong he is certified insane and needs a therapist!
June 8th, 2006 at 3:51 amPersonnally I think it is WWWallace who has found a new way to disrupt the Blog here
June 8th, 2006 at 3:55 amRE: Zarqawi being killed
Let’s recall how the Pentagon and Bush TOTALLY played down Zarqawi’s significance and recently mocked him in a psyop campaign.
Looks like that is backfiring on them right now, ‘big time’!! Although, you can’t tell Fox News that….they are already treating this as a ‘huge’, ‘enormous’ victory for the Bush Administration. They are not at all reminding viewers that Zarqawi has been labeled as a dud by the Pentagon. CNN, MSNBC is being more temperate in their response…reminding people that Zarqawi wasn’t considered to be that big of a deal. I am sure by tomorrow, ALL cable news channels will treat this like the capture of Saddam, the killings of Uday, Qusay. We all know how ‘that’ what supposed to change everything!
http://bareknucklepolitics.com/?p=1235
and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/270406pentagonpsyop.htm
June 8th, 2006 at 3:57 amRE: Zarqawi being killed
Let’s recall how the Pentagon and Bush TOTALLY played down Zarqawi’s significance and recently mocked him in a psyop campaign.
Looks like that is backfiring on them right now, ‘big time’!! Although, you can’t tell Fox News that….they are already treating this as a ‘huge’, ‘enormous’ victory for the Bush Administration. They are not at all reminding viewers that Zarqawi has been labeled as a dud by the Pentagon. CNN, MSNBC is being more temperate in their response…reminding people that Zarqawi wasn’t considered to be that big of a deal. I am sure by tomorrow, ALL cable news channels will treat this like the capture of Saddam, the killings of Uday, Qusay. We all know how ‘that’ what supposed to change everything! Fox is also actively warning it’s viewers that the media will downplay it and that Fox viewers ’shouldn’t be fooled’ because ‘this is a huge day for Bush. oh, here we go again…..
http://bareknucklepolitics.com/?p=1235
and http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/270406pentagonpsyop.htm
June 8th, 2006 at 3:59 amcan we ignore the crazy person now?
June 8th, 2006 at 4:01 amPaige I always believed Zarqawi to be a creation of Bush’s Neocon military intelligence office to get a bogus tie into Iraq with Osama! I am not sure if a real Zarqawi ever existed in reality, but yes the Bush operatives might display a battered body of some Arabic guy badly shot up, and then claim its Zarqawi?!
June 8th, 2006 at 4:03 amIt ain’t crazy it just plays one here to derail the threads
June 8th, 2006 at 4:04 amAnd Karl Rove will use this event as another massive diversion from everything in DC > plus it will cause Democrat Senators to become confused of how to respond to this news > they tend to act like suckers every time Bush pulls a stunt on them!
June 8th, 2006 at 4:07 amGREAT, RECENT Article from Rolling Stone about Zarqawi’s role was a pure PR, psyops propaganda effort by Bush and the Pentagon to beat the Al Qaeda-Iraq connection and to tie Iraq back to 9/11:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/nataffdaily/story/9753195/hyping_zarqawi?rnd=1144889432406&has-player=unknown
Send this and post this where you can.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:11 amBye WWWallace
June 8th, 2006 at 4:29 amPaige there is a new TP thread on Zarqawi at top of the TP page now!
June 8th, 2006 at 4:31 amGuess his phone call was at 4am eastern
June 8th, 2006 at 4:38 amOff to bed > going to be a bad day > need my strength to battle the flood of Bush lover trolls Thursday night > lol.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:46 amFox News is cracking me up right now. They keep looping the video the Pentagon used to MOCK Zarqawi for having no skills/relevance, i.e. couldn’t use his weapon correctly. But Fox has EDITTED OUT the parts that show Zarqawi fumbling with the weapon! Again, TOTALLY leaving out reminding their viewers that this video was first released to make Zarqawi seem like a complete moron.
Oh Fox News, you do entertain.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:46 amLater Jay…have a good night.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:50 ambye clif and Paige > take care > see you later!
June 8th, 2006 at 4:52 amWhen you drive the 2 lane highways in Texas you see owners of large properties who have signs in their yards that read:Get U.S. Out of the UN!
Comment by Jeb’s OBGYN and Check Cashing #2
OBGYN,
Once again I agree with the soul-less, mindless, inbred, al Cracker Bushite TRAITORS…
…only I see it this way…
…Get U.N. out of the U.S…
…move it to a neutral country (like Sweden or Denmark)…
…fu*k taking U.S./Israeli money (and the piles of sh*t that go with it)…
…restore the UN’s credibility by imposing sanctions on the criminal Bushite junta…
…for war crimes, crimes against humanity, and human rights violations…
…now THAT would be poetic justice!
BTW,
..love the name makeover…
…it’s a hoot…
June 8th, 2006 at 9:29 amSounds ike a cool aquarium. One of my most favorite places in Golden Gate Park was the aquarium — and the Japanese Garden.
Comment by Zookeeper — June 7, 2006 @ 10:58 pm
You know that they’ve been renovating the museum? I had interviewed with the firm who is doing the project, and got to see the conceptual design documents. The initial design was done by Renzo Piano – one of the big names in architecture. And it is very, very cool. They have living egosystems inside the museum with enough height to accomodate an actual rain forest. Outside, the roof will be green space (grass) with domes that have oval windows/sky lights that peer into the interior spaces below. I think it’s supposed to be done in 2009… In case you want to visit when it’s done… http://www.calacademy.org/newacademy/index.php
The one in Atlanta is nice – but there’s an obvious difference between cutting edge architecture and some firm who just got a big budget project. Architecturally the building is well done, but the interior was just over-done, the details weren’t thought through, and it didn’t seem to be intuitive how to use the building (I think it should be). Good thing the main attraction was the fish.
There’s a 63′ x 29′ viewing window into a football stadium sized tank where there are 85,000 fish – including the four juvenile whale sharks that are around 17′-23′ in length. I sat there for an entire hour just watching this enormous fish tank, really. Know I know what my cats used to see when we use to have fish… :)
June 8th, 2006 at 10:11 amWhile I don’t agree with the Iraq policy, it does seem hard to say Bush is bringing down the US seeing as though the Dow is still right around 11,000 and our unemployment rate is so low that most european countries thought it was their inflation rate. At least give him credit for a rocking economy even if the man is borked when it comes to Iraq.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:24 amAt least give him credit for a rocking economy even if the man is borked when it comes to Iraq.
Comment by Jerad — June 8, 2006 @ 11:24 am
Can’t – cause the numbers are a fabrication. They only reflect people on unemployment and not the true number of those whose benefits have expired.
The DOW does not reflect the economy – it only affects share holders – and really, who can get excited about the rich getting richer?
The average American’s salary has declined under his administration, while the price of goods and services has increased.
Sorry, but nothing there to get excited about… Or I would.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:55 amThe Stock Market certainly does effect the economy. Hell, it is the economy. If what you said was true, we could make the Dow go to $0 and it wouldn’t affect anything. In reality, it would cost millions there jobs, insuraunce, and pensions. It would also halt the transfer of goods and services.
When the “rich” are getting richer, it means they are finding reason to invest in america (to get richer). The moment that crowd takes there cash back out of the american economy is the moment to get real worried. Those “rich” have companies that employ tons of american citizens. Do you really think that if they stop making money, they will continue to employ the same number of us?
BTW, how many countries have better unemployment figures then the US anyways? Really, I want to know. Isn’t ours around 4.6% which is insanely low. Most economist say that healthy unemployment is around 6%-8%. It isn’t possible to ever have 0% unemployment regardless of what your political affiliation tells you (republican or Democrat).
June 8th, 2006 at 12:22 pmThe Stock Market is not our economy. And no, you cannot dismiss the seperation with an absolute just because you don’t understand. During the 1930’s when teh Stock Market was defunct, there was a strong economy because FDR put people to work. Without share holders and stock. It’s not a gauge for the average American’s economy. Besides, it’s tanking right now. Go worry about it.
I already explained about the unemployment rate. Bush’s administration cooked the numbers to make it look like 4.6 % when it is really much higher. Do you not understand?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:30 pmOh, I forgot to mention – the DOW only represents Corporations who trade on its market. That’s a fraction of those who do business in this country…
June 8th, 2006 at 12:32 pmBTW Jerad the stock market has dropped almost 10% in the last month and is still below the 2000 highs six years AFTER the idiot in chief took over….
Heck of a job there georgie….
June 8th, 2006 at 1:07 pmBTW Jerad the stock market has dropped almost 10% in the last month and is still below the 2000 highs six years AFTER the idiot in chief took over….down 100 points right now
And we have a 8.4 trillion dollar debt which MUST be paid at sometime..and the interest is paid every day on that debt….
Heck of a job there georgie….
June 8th, 2006 at 1:09 pmHeck of a job there georgie….
Comment by clif — June 8, 2006 @ 1:09 pm
I think Bush is like the folks who go into the military during peace times to pay for college and then a war breaks out. I don’t think he knew whathe was getting into when he ran for President. Seriously…
June 8th, 2006 at 1:47 pmYou know, back in 2003, I was writting a setting for Steve Jackson’s Generic Universal Roleplaying System entitled ‘Shattered Earth’. The principle behind it? A theocratic United States controlling roughly half the world versus a scientifically minded coalition of nations including former Allies of the United States in the form of Brittian and (alot more ‘former’) France, alongside of newer former-allies such as Russia and enemies such as China. The timeline leading up to this chain of events was accellerated, just as the timeline of events leading up to global environmental collapse was accellerated in The Day After Tomorrow, but many of the parallels between both works of fiction are really…scary. We have a religious issue that is intended to distract us from our slide to corporate servatude in a naked attempt to rile up the Religious Right to ensure that Repubs aren’t replaced with Democrats in ‘06. We have the naked call to the ‘values voters’, whose values basically can be summed up as ‘Don’t let those two gay (explitive deleted) get married!’ while WalMart drives the factory they work at out of business. And the rich get fatter and fatter, all while the middle class (hey, that’s us!) watches our paychecks get sucked away more and more by overly rich robber-baron corporations.
Focusing on the U.N., my timeline built on a few key factors. 1) Any attempt to redefine the United Nations would be blocked by the United States. The idea of using the 2/3rds Majority Vote in the General Assembly? Hell no, the U.S. would block any implimentation of that by a veto in the Security Council. Removing the Security Council’s veto power? Heh, veto there too. So, in my gameworld, Russia, China, and France withdrew from the United Nations in January of 2005 after Bush was seen to have won the Presidential Elections over an unnamed Democratic candidate with lots of calls about voting machine fraud. Great Britian, under Tony Blair, remained with the United States in the UN for a short while until Blair was removed by a much less crooked government. They withdrew, and within a week, a nasty surprise in the form of Russian and Chinese soldiers, requested by Canada, formed a heavily armed and defended border that persists into the mid 21st Century. The former permanant members of the U.N. Security Council were joined by approximately 100 members of the General Assembly, and these nations formed a new World Government. The United States retained its Veto right over the U.N. Security Council and selects 9 ‘temporary members’ every so often.
This sets the scene for conflict for characters made by players. To make the game more interesting, I threw in the usual RPG elements of a high fantasy game, Magic, giant robots, genetically engineered slaves (employed by a rather … ahem, hypocritical United States), a large dash of cyberpunk (again, the USA), and we played for about 2 months before I left Baton Rouge to move to Denver.
Scary how my predictions are turning true.
I may have to revive the game, but this time, revise the timeline from 2005 on…to account for — recent developments. :)
June 8th, 2006 at 3:20 pmSite shouldn’t have edited the speech:
Well, on that speech, this is a very, very grave mistake by the Deputy Secretary General. We are in the process of an enormous effort to achieve substantial reform at the United Nations. And it’s a difficult effort, but it’s an effort that we feel very strongly about. And to have the Deputy Secretary General criticize the United States in such a manner, can only do grave harm to the United Nations. Even though the target of the speech was the United States, the victim, I fear, will be the United Nations. And even worse was the condescending and patronizing tone about the American people. That fundamentally and very sadly, this was a criticism of the American people, not the American government, by an international civil servant, it’s just illegitimate. So we’ve thought about this a good deal and we didn’t respond to it yesterday evening when we got a copy of the speech. But what we think the only way at this point to mitigate the damage to the United Nations is that the Secretary General Kofi Annan, we think has to personally and publicly repudiate this speech at the earliest possible opportunity. Because otherwise I fear the consequences, not just for the reform effort, but for the organization as a whole. I spoke to the Secretary General this morning. I said I’ve known you since 1989, and I’m telling you this is the worst mistake by a senior UN official that I have seen in that entire time. That’s why the only hope I think is that the Secretary General comes to the rescue of the organization and repudiates the speech.
Site should include Bolton’s entire speech instead of selectively editing. And include later response as well:
I am concerned at this point at the very wounding effect that this criticism of the United States will have in our efforts to achieve reform. And this isn’t the first time the Deputy Secretary General has done this recently. He gave an interview a few weeks ago that criticized the United States and the other major contributors. This is very serious. This is very serious.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:26 pmIn Bolton’s worst nightmare, he’ll be pleading and begging the U.N. to re-assemble(after he helped disband it)and help the U.S. fend off …..(you fill in the blank) because we have no weapons of mass destruction and we have been under a no-fly zone and we destroyed our weapons and inspectors searched and searched but couldn’t locate any weapons and(you fill in the blank) has given our arrogant but weak president forty-eight hours to get out but he stubbornly refused and all we can wait for is ‘Operation:Shock and Awe-Again’ Sounds familiar?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:28 pmsomewhere outside portland OR there’s a great big sign that reads “The UN wants to take away YOUR GUN!” This is typical pandering to fears of that ever-present, ever-encroaching fear from above to which so many people are susceptible. Bolton and his ilk have done nothing but implement policies and spew rhetoric that cultivates these emotions and then he accuses the UN (in their response to his attack) of attacking the citizens of the US, thereby proving his argument that the UN hates regulartype Americans. Round and round we go
June 15th, 2006 at 8:01 pmthe lost crave
Interestingly, this was on CNN last week.
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