U.S. officials: Al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi has been killed.
UPDATE: Also yesterday, Iraqi Prime Minister Maliki finally filled the remaining security-related positions in his cabinet, completing the formation of Iraq’s first permanent government:
The Iraqi parliament approved on Thursday Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki’s candidates for interior and defense ministers, ending wrangling that had threatened to plunge his three-week-old unity government into crisis.
UPDATE II: “The news [of Zarqawi's death] came amid more reports of violence in Iraq, with two bombs striking a market and a police patrol in Baghdad, killing at least 19 people and wounding more than 40.”
UPDATE III: Reports from U.S. military officials indicate Zarqawi was exposed by those closest to him, suggesting an internal power struggle. Gen. George W. Casey, the top U.S. military commander in Iraq said, “Tips and intelligence from Iraqi senior leaders from his network led forces to al-Zarqawi and some of his associates who were conducting a meeting … when the air strike was launched.”
Well this will improve things like when they killed Qusay and Uday…or when they captured Saddam…or when the held an election…or another …or another…but it seems to be slipping daily.
Most of the insurgents are Iraqi’s tired of the occupation not foriegn fighters like Al Zarqawi
June 8th, 2006 at 3:41 ambOOYAH!
June 8th, 2006 at 4:00 amOh brother here starts the spin from Bush and Rumsfeld on Zarqawi being killed > wow!
June 8th, 2006 at 4:12 amYes clif most of the insurgents in Iraq never had any connections to the Zarqawi guy! Bombings in Iraq will continue, but like after the death of Saddam’s sons some Americans will fall for this event and pep Bush’s approval ratings up above 30%! It’s all a game now!
June 8th, 2006 at 4:15 amJay got this link from Paige on another thread..and it says lots
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/nataffdaily/story/9753195/hyping_zarqawi?rnd=1144889432406&has-player=unknown
“The Zarqawi PSYOP program is the most successful information campaign to date.” — Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt, in an internal 2004 memo praising the propaganda campaign to hype the threat of Iraq’s “terrorist mastermind” Abu Musab al-Zarqawi.
ast summer, Col. Derek Harvey — a top military intelligence officer in Iraq and who handled Iraq intel for the Joint Chiefs of Staff — told a gathering of Army brass that Zarqawi’s violence represented “a very small part of the actual numbers . . . The long-term threat is not Zarqawi or religious extremists, but these former regime types and their friends.”
Harvey continued, “Our own focus on Zarqawi has enlarged his caricature, if you will — made him more important than he really is.
Zarqawi is their characture..and they can now spin it to try to get the poll numbers back up…and bring the wingnuts out in force
June 8th, 2006 at 4:21 amLater today the Bush trolls will flood onto the TP threads calling us all traitors, while they praise Dubya Dunce Decider as a decisive hero in winning the war in Iraq > yep bullcrap!
June 8th, 2006 at 4:38 amNo sign of his body though ?????
June 8th, 2006 at 4:50 amPost 9 > there will be a body, but you will have to take Bush’s pledge that it’s Zarqawi > hint! Off to bed all take care!
June 8th, 2006 at 4:54 amZarqawi is like a mafia boss ,, remove him and there will be others, wheres his body then …………Ill bet you in a couple days they say ” it was not Zarqawi and it was 10 civilians as usual
June 8th, 2006 at 4:59 amON FOX NEWS:
Oh dear, NOW we are hearing that this ‘PROVES’ that the Iraqi Defenses are uber-prepared and we should ‘no longer doubt their capability’.
“Turning point” for the Iraqi Government is the other way this is being spun.
OH, now Fox is reporting that OIL has fallen to $70 a barrel BECAUSE Al Zarqawi is dead! Donna Doucha can barely contain herself! Even their Graphic/Chryon is claiming that Oil prices have dropped ‘on news of Zarqawi’s death’.
THE SPIN IS ALREADY MADDENING….HERE WE GO PEOPLE, THE SAME TYPICAL BS ALL OVER AGAIN. Hold on and grab your bullshit ear covers.
How convenient that the Iraqi PM was scheduled to give a Press Conference about 2 gov’t appointments at THE EXACT SAME TIME that they announce the news about the ominous #2 (the 37th #2).
Now, they are saying that this is VINDICATION for Bush.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:16 amTobey read the rolling stone story linked in post #5 which will link itself to the wapo story about the psycops the military ran with about Zarqawi
June 8th, 2006 at 5:16 amON FOX NEWS:
Oh dear, NOW we are hearing that this ‘PROVES’ that the Iraqi Defenses are uber-prepared and we should ‘no longer doubt their capability’.
“Turning point” for the Iraqi Government is the other way this is being spun.
OH, now Fox is reporting that OIL has fallen to $70 a barrel BECAUSE Al Zarqawi is dead! Donna Doucha can barely contain herself! Even their Graphic/Chryon is claiming that Oil prices have dropped ‘on news of Zarqawi’s death’.
THE SPIN IS ALREADY MADDENING….HERE WE GO PEOPLE, THE SAME TYPICAL BS ALL OVER AGAIN. Hold on and grab your bullshit ear covers.
How convenient that the Iraqi PM was scheduled to give a Press Conference about 2 gov’t appointments at THE EXACT SAME TIME that they announce the news about the ominous #2 (the 37th #2).
Now, they are saying that this is VINDICATION for Bush.
Steve Doocey just stated that Zarqawi ‘WAS THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN ON THE PLANET’. I shit you not!
June 8th, 2006 at 5:16 amFunny paige I switched to CNBC and the european stock markets and asian stock markets are down…guess Zarqawi’s death caused everything to go down…oil and stocks
June 8th, 2006 at 5:21 amThe two groups of people not celebrating this news are Democrats and Wahhabi / Al Qaeda supporters….good company you keep
June 8th, 2006 at 5:29 amAlso yesterday they knew to cancel a secret briefing by US Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad;
White House abruptly cancels classified Iraq ‘progress’ briefing with senators
President Bush has cancelled a classified briefing on the situation in Iraq, according to a letter from four Democratic senators obtained by RAW STORY.
US Ambassador to Iraq Zalmay Khalilzad had been set to brief Senators today. Democratic aides tell RAW STORY that the meeting, set to address “all members,” was cancelled abruptly yesterday. Requests for a briefing by another administration official went unanswered.
http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Senators_write_Bush_after_classified_Iraq_0607.html
I wonder how they “knew” to cancel the briefing so the Ambassador would be conveniently be in Baghdad for the photo op when Al Zarqawi’s death was announced?
June 8th, 2006 at 5:37 amGood news, but he was hardly responsible for the escalating sectarian strife in Iraq. He was elevated to demigod status by the Bush administration to blame the insurgency on. BFD.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:12 amIt was my understanding he died in a bombing raid in March 2003 in the north of Iraq. Great news that we killed him twice.bin Laden is long gone too, but maybe this will shore up our own stock market which was allowed to decline for the past three days.What a crock this is,I can just see the gleeful smirk and sneer on the face of that creep in the oval office.Ugly,ugly,ugly.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:25 amMORE THOROUGH UPDATE ON THE HYPER-SPIN AT FOX NEWS THUS FAR (some is already listed above):
Fox is looping the recent video the Pentagon released to mock Zarqawi as a dumb ass but they ARE NOT reminding their viewers that this video was released for that purpose. Instead, they keep referring to it/showing it because Zarqawi’s has a weapon and is wearing all black….oh so ominous! Fox is also NOT reminding their viewers that Bush/the Pentagon wanted it both ways……..it was confirmed that they were HYPING Zarqawi’s role for the pure psyop/propaganda purpose of getting Americans to tie Zarqawi to Iraq and and then tie it all back to 9/11.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/nataffdaily/story/9753195/hyping_zarqawi?rnd=1144889432406&has-player=unknown
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/270406pentagonpsyop.htm
This video footage of Zarqawi that was released by the Pentagon WITH THE SOLE PURPOSE OF MAKING FUN OF ZARQAWI is now being used over and over and over again while saying how dangerous and powerful he was!
They are also re-looping old videos of debris that was bombed in several, many different locations—saying nothing about what the videos are. Fox wants the viewers to believe that Zarqawi must have blown all of this up himself or that this is actual video footage of where he was killed/bombed…although NO OFFICIAL footage has been released of that
E.D. Hill on Fox and Friends had Nick Berg’s father on air (audio) and wouldn’t let him speak. He asked her if she believes everything she hears on the news and just because Bush says something is true, do is make it so? She got all pissy and indignant.
Doocey and another fox news windbag-Steven Schwartz: ‘It’s an ENORMOUS turning point’!
Doocey announces to new viewers joining them: ‘The Number 1 Terrorist in the world has been killed’
Fox News analyst calling Zarqawi the ‘HEAD OF THE SNAKE’ and that it has been ‘cut off’.
OH MY GOD>>>>>>>>>>>Brian just asked Brett Baire if Zarqawi’s death is more valuable than that of Osama bin Laden. Brett paused and said, “YES!”.
(I really hope you can get the video of that exchange…it just happened at 2:52am PST)
Brett Baire: ‘In the wake of Haditha, a spiraling situation in Iraq, this is very good news for Bush.
Brian: ‘This is the headline we wanted’
Brett Baire: ‘The media can’t hide this good news’ like they could with soccer fields and other stuff
Oh, NOW Brian Kilmeade is saying that this news renders the Haditha matter unimportant now.
Brian is saying Zarqawi was in Iraq at the time of 9/11 (obvious inference)
They are saying that Maliki is personally responsible ,along with the US, for the killing of Zarqawi
Steve Doocey just called Zarqawi, ‘THE MOST DANGEROUS MAN ON THE PLANET!’ and ‘ONE OF THE WORST TERRORISTS IN THE WORLD’
Kilmeade just said of the FOREIGN LANGUAGE version of the announcement in Iraq..which Brian and others had no clue as to exactly what was being said but Brian said, ‘Wow, IT GAVE ME CHILLS!’
Brian Kilmeade just called Zarqawi as ‘A ROCK STAR’ for the insurgents/terrorists.
Donna Fadoucha and Fox News Chryons: ‘OIL PRICES DROP ON NEWS OF ZARQAWI’S DEATH’
Donna Fadoucha also called it ‘A RED LETTER DAY FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE’
my favorite so far: CHRYONS: ‘TERROR MASTERMIND AL ZARQAWI IS DEAD’ (***this chryon is being used at the same time with the video clip of Zarqawi fumbling with his weapon making him look like an idiot)
Fox Analysts/reporters saying that this is ‘A HUGE TURNING POINT IN THE WAR AND FOR THE IRAQI PEOPLE’
Fox asserting that this vindicates the Iraqi Defense forces and shows how effective they are now…and that we’ve all judged them too harshly
The phrase ‘TURNING POINT’ is being used ad nauseum
So is ‘A HUGE MORALE BOOST’
The big guy/reporter (Andrew ?) that stands sideways into the camera when on air from Iraq heard a noise in the background, turned around and said: ‘THE NATIVES ARE RESTLESS’.
They USED A SPLIT SCREEN OF ZARQAWI AND OSAMA BIN LADEN HIMSELF –clearly trying to infer to their naïve viewers that Zarqawi was just as important and dangerous as Osama himself.
I agree with you guys and others at AmericaBlog…..how were they able to easily, quickly identify Zarqawi’s face, fingerprints and DNA after what they are caling ‘a huge military strike/bombing?! I think we are at least being misled as to when this ’strike’ happened.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:27 am‘THE GODFATHER OF SECTARIAN KILLINGS’ from Brian Kilmeade (the stoogiest of the 3 Stooges.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:29 amGood. Fine. We won? Let’s withdraw tomorrow.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:35 amlike, this will make any difference. Abu Ghraib, Fallujah, & Haditha created 10,000 replacements.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:47 amFOX NEWS HOME PAGE:
http://www.foxnews.com/
(Ed Henry just said on CNN that Tony Snow is warning that the DNA results cannot be confirmed FOR ANOTHER 24 HOURS.) Now, go to that link!
June 8th, 2006 at 6:55 amI agree w. Paige. The perpetual propaganda machine is in high gear, just as it was in Iran when they put a fascist dictator, the Shaw in power. The dog and pony show will continue unabaited. If the people of the US could be led to believe that the Shaw was a good man, people will believe anything. The Shaw made Saddam look like a cupcake in human rights. There are dozens of examples of putting in puppet governments with tyrants that run the country with a steel fist, from entering WW I to Guatemala to the Balkans.
These people are professional liars (i.e. we could never have imagined planes used as weapons to attack the twin towers & Plamegate’s yellowcake and other lies). They will stop at nothing to keep power including he using their power to divide the nation to continue to hold power. Plamegate was a crime of treason. Selecting false intel and lying about the function of centrafuges and the like, to start an uprovoked war of agression is a crime guilty of being hung.
There are some extraordinarily bad people (jihadist theokooks) over in Iraq that are real insurgents that don’t have any remorse in killing people. But the same can be said of the Israeli army and Iraqi police death squads that the usual ties to the US to create chaos and civil war (Guatemala, El Salvador, Liberia and the former Yugoslavia come to mind).
The US leadership lost any form of believable credence when they lied and sensationalized the 911 attacks as unfathomable and have become less believable every day after that. Just why is the US building 14 permenent bases in Iraq, 4 of them super bases, and an embassy the size of the Vatican? I never hear about it though. Professional perpetual liars can only do just that as they dish out their lies to keep hold of power, create diversions and noise to divide the nation so that they can continue playing “The Grand Chess Board” of Brezinski, country by country and PNAC operations pretending to be in the best interest of the people when they are in the best interest of just a few of their inner circle.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:58 amMy first thought, upon reading this, was “Again?” How many times have we heard this, and who cares? Others have pointed out that al Zarqawi was a paper tiger anyway. Wake me up when they have actual photos of a captured bin Laden or al Zawahiri or even Mullah Omar.
June 8th, 2006 at 7:10 amThe softening up of the people is well underway for the next war. I’m sure the MSM is out singing praises and the front pages have been re-done to lead us to THIS truth, just as it was done in many other countries before Iraq. The media has pimped misinformation for 100 years for our leaders and military exploits. History books are filled pure fantasy and lies. This is no exception. The biggest exposition of fear factor has 66% of Americans ready to drop bombs on Iran. As far as I’m concerned, there is nothing that can be done to disuade this administration from staying on point or deviating from their plans that have been well thought out before 911 and have had their goals in place since the end of the first gulf war.
There is nothing that will stop the Wolfowitz doctrine from being completed along the lines described in Zbignew Bresinski’s “The Grand Chess Board”. The US wants all of the middle east to use dollars and control of the world’s most important resource.
The expansion and the creation of terrorists as the US has done in Iraq is all gravy to continue the long war. This action, along with the rest of the G7 nations tagging behind, will not be over in my life time or the life time of children just being born. The slaughter will continue between the defined “good and evil” and the desire to hold power among amoral sociopaths on all sides for a very long time to come. It is their reason for being.
June 8th, 2006 at 7:15 amDonna Fadoucha and Fox News Chryons: ‘OIL PRICES DROP ON NEWS OF ZARQAWI’S DEATH’
Comment by Paige — June 8, 2006 @ 6:27 am
Paige, great reporting, thanks. In the UK I can’t get Fox news to keep realtime track of their lies. The real reason for the drop in oil prices;
CRUDE oil prices fell on world markets overnight after a top Iranian nuclear negotiator cited “positive steps” in a package of incentives offered by world powers to curb Tehran’s nuclear program.
read about it here
June 8th, 2006 at 7:29 amAgain? This is like the ninth time or so. Anyhow, we need to question whether he was even important; Military Plays Up Role of Zarqawi:
June 8th, 2006 at 7:30 amhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/09/AR2006040900890.html?sub=AR
CHECK THIS OUT:
NOW: Fox News is now referring to as ‘Worse than bin Laden, ‘The #1 Terrorist in the World, ‘The Most Dangerous Person on the Planet’:
MAY 2, 2006: OH, BUT CHECK THIS GEM OUT FROM NEAL CAVUTO *HIMSELF* SAYING JUST ONE MONTH AGO THAT HE’D ‘BE SURPRISED IF ZARQAWI HAD A SINGLE LISTENER’ and how he must be ‘LONESOME’ AND ‘LIVING IN A CAVE’
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,198038,00.html
THE WEEKLY STANDARD IN 2004:
“Abu Musab al Zarqawi is hot right now. He masterminded not only Berg’s murder but also the Madrid carnage on March 11, the bombardment of Shia worshippers in Iraq the same month, and the April 24 suicide attack on the port of Basra. But he is far from a newcomer to slaughter. Well before 9/11, he had already concocted a plot to kill Israeli and American tourists in Jordan. His label is on terrorist groups and attacks on four continents.” (Weekly Standard, 24 May 2004)
COLIN POWELL ON FEB 5 2003:
what I want to bring to your attention today is the potentially much more sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Qaeda terrorist network, a nexus that combines classic terrorist organizations and modern methods of murder. Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network, headed by Abu Musaab al-Zarqawi, an associate and collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda lieutenants.
HEAD SPINNING/FLIP FLOPPING ABOUT ZARQAWI ON NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE:
http://search.nationalreview.com/?q=NmI3YTlmNmI1ODJkNzAzOTg1MzBkMzUzNTQyNDA3NTA=
Also, FOX NEWS ARTICLE MOCKING ZARQAWI AND HIS IRRELEVANCE……..JUST ONE MONTH AGO (yes, it’s an ap story featured on Fox but if Fox didn’t buy into it, would they have run it and reported on it so thoroughly on it’s website/cable tv channel when the tape came out):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,194260,00.html
June 8th, 2006 at 7:37 amLierberman on IMUS right now:
“ZARQAWI WAS THE LEADER OF AL QAEDA”
I can hardly bear listening to Joe, he always sounds like he is on the pot and seriously constipated
June 8th, 2006 at 7:39 amOh yeah, one more thing:
It took 2,500+ American deaths to get 1 Zarqawi.
I don’t feel so giddy about this after all.
You trolls make me sick.
June 8th, 2006 at 7:40 amPaige,
June 8th, 2006 at 7:47 amThe second I heard”Good morning, Sen. Lieberman.” my TV remote went, “CLICK.”
Off! I can’t stand him. I hope his lying butt gets kicked out of Conn.
Re: Lieberman’s voice – they do a killer imitation of him on Stephanie Miller.
June 8th, 2006 at 7:51 amThe voice guy does him as “Willie Tanner” from Alf! It’s a riot!
The trolls on CSPAN this morning are as bad as Ann Coulter. Democrats are in mourning because he is on their side and they want us to lose. Talk about grasping at straws. Such vitriol.
June 8th, 2006 at 7:54 am[...] Folks at Think Progress can’t find it within themselves to think this is any good news at all. We can see they really do support our troops. [...]
June 8th, 2006 at 7:54 amThey just showed Bush on tv, drinking champagne “I won, baby, I won……..now my brainwashing will work AGAIN!”
June 8th, 2006 at 7:56 amYou know, I had a feeling something like this was going to happen……it seems that every time Bush is in huge trouble…..something like this ALWAYS comes around to save him….and again IT HAPPENS.
June 8th, 2006 at 7:58 amSURVEY
NOW THAT ZARQAWI IS DEAD HAVE YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND ABOUT BUSH?
June 8th, 2006 at 8:01 amIn related events… Italy’s army begins to return to home, as Prodi promised to the ones who elected him. The process will last until fall, when all the 2000+ italian soldiers would have departed.
That will left the Coalition of the Willing in the USA, UK and… Togo?
June 8th, 2006 at 8:08 amSEE ??? I TOLD YOU WE ARE WINNING
Killing one guy means we’re winning? Ok, well, bring the troops home, it’s done.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:18 amThe death of Zarqawi has more to do with the price of oil than anything else. This semi-mythical character created by the Pentagon psyops department as head of the non-existent “Al Qaida in Iraq” had exhausted his usefulness as a way to raise oil prices because the price must come down before the midterm elections. The Bush administration’s position will be, as usual, that the insurgency is in its last throes and the elimination of Zarqawi is a giant step toward whatever. Zarqawi never had anything to do with the widespread violence in Iraq and the mayhem will continue but it can now be safely relegated by the MSM to the back pages.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:19 amFor once I would like to see some of you at least acknowledge that this is a good thing. I am just as against the war as anyone else, but you all are so blinded by your righteousness that you are incapable of being happy, even if for a moment. This was a very bad guy, he was the one who beheaded Nick Berg in case you’ve forgotten, he also blew up the UN HQ in the beginning of this mess and was responsible for the bombing of the mosque in Samarra that has escalated the sectarian violence in the past few months.
So please people, give yourselves a little credibility and be happy just for a monent.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:19 am#40 Let’s see… killing a terrorist created after the Iraq’s invasion? NO, my mind about Bush hasn’t changed..
June 8th, 2006 at 8:20 amSURVEY
NOW THAT ZARQAWI IS DEAD HAVE YOU CHANGED YOUR MIND ABOUT BUSH?
No. Why would it? He could parade Osama himself out to the world; but he is still the Worst President Ever.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:20 amThis was a very bad guy, he was the one who beheaded Nick Berg in case you’ve forgotten,
Nick Bergs father doesn’t believe that statement so why should we?
June 8th, 2006 at 8:21 amOnthefence,
June 8th, 2006 at 8:25 amIt’s great that he’s gone, but this instant,”Bush is doing a Heckova’ Job” crap is what’s maddening.
onthefence
June 8th, 2006 at 8:27 amTake your own psyops and shove it. Zarqawi was irrelevant to what is going on in Iraq and the Middle East in general. Just another Fu Manchu to be manipulated and disposed of at the puppet master’s convenience.
This was a very bad guy, he was the one who beheaded Nick Berg in case you’ve forgotten,
Nick Bergs father doesn’t believe that statement so why should we?
Comment by Stupid Republicans
I don’t care what you believe, if you can’t admit that this is a good thing then I pity you.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:29 amA good percentage of the people on here, like you, are partisan idiots who do nothing to elevate the discourse and put a bad face on “liberalism”, go check out one of the Repug blogs and you will see that you all are just two sides of the same coin; all vitriol and cynicism, grow up people.
Chris Matthews: “Hello and Welcome to Hardball……Are we just about to win the War in Iraq? Looks like it to me, we finally have killed Al-Zarqawi. This is a gigantic boost to the President and I fully expect to see his approval ratings back up where they belong at 100%. I know many people say “but weren’t you against this”, no I just do that to get the dumb Democrats hopes up, I hate Democrats and I hated Tip O’Neil who I worked for. Anyway, this evening we will have Vice President Dick Cheney in a special interview where I will ask if we can have another “Mission Accomplished” ceremony since there will be no more insurgents in Iraq, I think the President deserves to have his glory again. All of the problems that the American People have been crying about: Gas prices, Healthcare, the economy, corruption, etc., they are no longer problems to worry about. We have more pressing issues to worry about: Gay Marriage, Flag Burning, making sure the Presiden’ts approval goes back to 100% and the Clintons’ Marriage. The Haditha Massacre? Who cares. We have Zarqawi and that is the real issue, not what liberals talk about. We’ll be back after this break with the Vice President”.
Get ready, because this is exactly what he’s going to say this evening (or something somewhat close to it from Tweety)
June 8th, 2006 at 8:32 amOnthefence,
It’s great that he’s gone, but this instant,â€Bush is doing a Heckova’ Job†crap is what’s maddening.
Comment by trueblue — June 8, 2006 @ 8:25 am
Don’t watch Fox News, problem solved. No, this won’t change much in Iraq, the violence will continue and in fact may escalate in the short term. Bush was pretty humble in his little press conference, he didn’t have a flight suit on and I didn’t see any banners. Fox News is Fox News, you have the power to change……the channel.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:33 amHA Ha its great to hear your misery. By the way the moderate libs in CT LOVE lieberman. He is guaranteed to be in office a good long time.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:34 am#53 Bush was pretty humble in his little press conference, he didn’t have a flight suit on and I didn’t see any banners.
No surprise at all, after all the times he has been caught red-handed…
June 8th, 2006 at 8:36 am#50 – You see, THAT’S the problem right there. You don’t care what people believe. When someone disagrees with you, you immediately call them “idiots.”
Nice open mind you have there. You are no better than the assclown president. Let me ask you a question. Did you EVER hear of this character that has been “terrorizing” Iraq before we illegally invaded? Hmmmm?
Big deal. We killed a couple of “terraists.” YOUR president is more of a terrorist than all of al Queda could ever dream of being.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:37 amI don’t WATCH Fox News.
The MSM does the same damned crap.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:38 amSimply shielding myself from it does not change the fact that millions of people get this message shoved down their throats and actually end up buying it.
It’s Not Right. That’s what I’m saying.
VERY GOOD CRUSADER. You need to throw in for Chris,
“Hillary Clinton was dating Al Zarqawi.”
or
“If Hillary wasn’t the Senator from New York, would we have caught and killed Zarqawi sooner?”
or
“I bet Zarqawi was following the sex lives of the Clinton’s, too”.
or
“Is Hillary hiding Osama bin Laden in her basement and sneaking down to see him in the middle of the night when Bill is sleeping and dreaming of Monica?”
June 8th, 2006 at 8:42 amAMEN, American Patriot!
June 8th, 2006 at 8:43 amOntheFence: I am going to be happy if fewer people are killed in Iraq. But I refuse to be giddy at somebody’s death. Sorry about that. I wouldn’t rejoice if Bush was killed, and he is clearly a far worse criminal than Zarqawi has ever been.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:44 am“We want to give you the joyous news of the martyrdom of the mujahed sheik Abu Musab al-Zarqawi,” said the statement, signed by “Abu Abdel-Rahman al-Iraqi,” identified as the deputy “emir” or leader of al-Qaida in Iraq.
Sounds to me like they (al Qaeda) have already replaced him…
Okay, if this is great news, then tell us trolls what has changed? If it means that we can leave Afghanistan and Iraq, then I’ll be the first to agree that this means something. But if nothing changes, then really – they just promote someone new to replace him and things continue… Hardly news at all.
And, frankly, after three years of fighting this is all we get? It took three years, 2400 American deaths, tens of thiusands of Iraqi deaths, and billions of dollars to get this guy… and we’re supposed to be impressed? You’re too easy.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:50 amOn the fence, unfortunately, if we or someone doesn’t serve as a Watch Dog for the lies and distortions they tell at Fox and their audience hears nothing critical about the way they “do” the news (commentary, actually) and if we don’t continue to bring it to the forefront, Fox would be considered to be a LEGITIMATE News Source.
I rarely watch them now but today I tuned in because I KNEW that they would be spinning their viewers minds at warp speed. It needs to be documented and brought to the American people’s attention…particularly the fools that tune in thinking that they are getting real, honest news. It’s no different than what Media Matters does. Because of their effectiveness, they have had lying journalists having to publicly defend their lies, false reporting. MM was the catalyst that began the bringing down of Falafel O’Reilly.
You can’t just sweep things under the rug, ignore them and hope they’ll go away…if you do, it just festers and gets bigger. You have to call people out on their shit…whether it’s Fox News, Chris Matthews, Norah O’Donell, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Ann Coulter, Fred Hiatt, Deborah Howell, Joe Klein, etc…
June 8th, 2006 at 8:50 amOntheFence: I am going to be happy if fewer people are killed in Iraq. But I refuse to be giddy at somebody’s death. Sorry about that. I wouldn’t rejoice if Bush was killed, and he is clearly a far worse criminal than Zarqawi has ever been.
Comment by Christian H. — June 8, 2006 @ 8:44 am
I think that’s what most rationale people want, you can debate all day long on how relevant he is but he was the face of Al QAeda in Iraq, regardless of the fact that he can’t operate a SAW and is not quite the Jordanian badass that the Admin has made him out to be.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:52 am#62 Factoid: Al Qaeda wasn’t present in Iraq pre-invasion. So you’re fighting the terrorists you’ve created, not the ones who existed before AND did 9/11.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:57 amA few short months ago Zarqawi was a bumling iidiot who did not know how to use a gun. Bravo, the bumbling idiot is dead!
My local news has all of the local pugs responding to Zarqawi’s glory of owning 72 virgins. They are using the fact that they have eveyones attention to build a case for war in Iran.
They are all saying that Iran was behind 9-11 now. Shit, should I be creaming in my jeans?
Hey dum, dumb Onthefence republican, don’t expect us normal thinking people to believe a word that comes out of Bubble boys mouth, he’s a liar.
Christian H, I will rejoice when the worse criminal is dead. As a matter of fact, I’ll be dancing in the streets.
June 8th, 2006 at 8:58 amWell there is one positive thing that will come of this, even if it’s fleeting, this ought to give the troops a little morale boost. With all of the bad press the troops and Marines in particular have been getting lately they need some good news. I welcome any news that might make some 18-19 year old kids day a little better over there, they are dying and being horribly maimed over there every day. Sometimes I think that gets lost while many of us sit in our air-conditioned offices sipping coffee on a Thursday morning.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:02 am#65 – Hitler’s greatest tool was manipulating the media.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:04 amOh really? So how many times as Zarqawi been killed? 6 or 7? In a week they’ll quietly come back and say that they “don;t know” if he’s dead or not. Even if he is dead, the occupation of Iraq has created dozens of Zarqawi’s. This won’t stop the sectarian violence nor the insurgency. You’ve got to leave for that to happen.
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June 8th, 2006 at 9:05 amOnthefence,
You just don’t get it!
THEY SHOULDN’T BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
June 8th, 2006 at 9:05 amHey dum, dumb Onthefence republican, don’t expect us normal thinking people to believe a word that comes out of Bubble boys mouth, he’s a liar.
Christian H, I will rejoice when the worse criminal is dead. As a matter of fact, I’ll be dancing in the streets.
Comment by Stupid Republicans — June 8, 2006 @ 8:58 am
You would celebrate if Bush died, real big of you, maybe I should make all my posts in bold to show how enlightened I am. YOU are the reason we on the left have a credibility problem oh ye of the tin foil hat.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:06 amDANG……there goes anothe Democrat/Liberal Ally in the war on BUSH…….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
June 8th, 2006 at 9:07 amA leadership vaccuum is never filled with ‘peace’.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:08 amThey dropped 2 – count ‘em – 2 500lb. bombs on the house.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:08 amThe house is gone, oh but one look in Zarqarwi’s face (his body is intact) and they know it’s him?!!?
C’mon!
#65 You know? I would welcome any new who comforts the relatives of the 2 and 3 years civilian olds killed by the 18 and 19 years olds on the military. Oh, but they can’t be comforted, their children are dead. Too bad, uh?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:10 amI too would rejoice if bushy was “taken out” of office. What credibillity do YOU have?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:11 amOnthefence,
You just don’t get it!
THEY SHOULDN’T BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!
Comment by trueblue — June 8, 2006 @ 9:05 am
Yes you’re right, but unless you have a time machine that isn’t going to change. We cannot alter what has been done in our name but work on getting the hell out of there with some kind of positive outcome and to prevent the same from happening in Iran. That’s what we need to focus on, not crying about what happened 3 years ago. The only way to change that is not to vote for any incumbants this coming November, our leaders misled us, and perpetrated a heinous crime in our name, so let’s get them out of there instead of sobbing on a message board.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:12 am#72 – Did you see the picture released of him? He looks so at peace. Must be something to be said about those 72 virgins.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:13 amJust to make it clear: I am going to be VERY happy the day Bush finally is out of office – preferably before 2009. I just don’t celebrate a human being’s death. Back to Zarqawi: he wasn’t important. His death won’t change a thing. Anyone who believes differently is delusional.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:14 amI too would rejoice if bushy was “taken out†of office. What credibillity do YOU have?
Comment by American Patriot — June 8, 2006 @ 9:11 am
Impeachment, yes I’m all for it, his death? That’s foolish. You need to turn it down a few notches. Those of you who would celebrate such things haven’t ever lost a close family member suddenly. Well I have, my sister was killed when she was 18 years old, and that I don’t wish on anyone, even the vile Bush family.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:16 amWho has to die to stop the sectarian war that Bubble boy created in Iraq?
Does this mean that the Sunni’s will stop killing the Shiites and vice versa?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:17 amYOU are the reason we on the left have a credibility problem oh ye of the tin foil hat.
Comment by onthefence
…so let’s get them out of there instead of sobbing on a message board.
Comment by onthefence
and YOU are the reason these idiots stayed in power last election. You keep buying this shit.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:17 amHe said tips and intelligence from senior leaders of al-Zarqawi’s network led U.S. forces to al-Zarqawi as he was meeting with some of his associates. Casey also said Iraqi police were first on the scene after the airstrike.
Video from the scene of the attack showed children scrambling over a flattened jumble of cinderblocks, concrete reinforcing bars, blankets, blue plastic bowls and other debris. A pickup truck was scorched and crushed.
Two young members of the crowd held up a child’s sandal, a backpack with a teddy bear on it and a stuffed animal. The rubble was across a dirt road from a grove of palm trees.
Childrens… child’s sandal… a backpack with a teddy bear on it… a stuffed animal…
Yah, a precission attack, american style.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:17 amQUESTIONS TO ASK ONESSELF BEFORE CELEBRATING:
1) a.Who was Al Zarqawi (who “created” him) and what connection did he have to 9/11?
b. If a thing is “created” can that thing be destroyed, at a time of the creator’s choosing?
2) Three high profile deaths (Uday, Qusay, and Zarqawi), one show trial (Saddam), the deaths of perhaps hundreds of thousands of innocents (before this stabilizes- if ever), for the greater glory of a deserter, deferment king and the destruction of American democracy. All for about $ one trillion U.S. taxpayer dollars. IS IT WORTH IT?
3) What does ALL of this have to do with 9/11?
4) The announcement of the two “crucial” cabinet officials (Defense and Interior of Iraq), and the death of Zarqawi at a time when the murders of innocent civilians at Hamandiya and Haditha are (supposedly) being investigated. Incidents which would clearly DESTROY support for this illegal occupation. IS THIS GREAT TIMING (THEATRICS) OR WHAT?
5) Is the insurgency in “its last throes” AGAIN?
6) Can (the troops) come home now?
7) When the bill comes due, how much damage to the already devastated poor/middle working class suckers will this do?
8) How many problems here in America will go unresolved (and for how many more years) because we’re spending so much in Iraq?
9) Are we (American voters) REALLY satisfied with this enormous expenditure-in blood and treasure- (in Iraq) being undertaken ostensibly for the security of Israel?
10) Even if Osama bin Laden and his deputy Al Zawahiri were killed or captured today would it bring back the dead innocents, restore all the money stolen (by the Bushite cronies) to the U.S. treasury, heal the political rift among the American electorate, restore America’s reputation abroad, restore full faith and credibility in the American government (under Bushiva and L’il Dick) amongst the American people, restore the American voter’s confidence in their electoral system (since Republiscum have undermined it), CONVINCE ANYBODY IN THE WORLD THAT THE BUSHITES AREN’T CROOKED, MURDEROUS, SCUMBAG TRAITORS?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:18 am#65
June 8th, 2006 at 9:18 amNice way to bring in the troops to the conversation. Now if someone disagrees with you do they hate the troops too?
#78 – We’re supposed to be happy about the death of Zarqawi, a terrorist but NOT to be happy if bushy, a terrorist, should be killed?
You are sooooooo contradicting yourself.
Which is it? Should we be happy when a terrorist is assassinated or not?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:21 amYou all are so partisan you cant even admit this is a great phsychological victory for the people of Iraq and against al qaeda. You hate Bush so much you are blinded by rage. As a Libertarian conservative I am no great fan of ‘W’ either, as a neocon he is a moderate within the GOP in many ways which is why his numbers are so low within. But I can give credit where crefit is due. Your hate has blinded you so much that you make heros of generals who criticize Rummy for not going in with overwhelming force and leveling Iraq. That would have caused unimaginable suffering but that did not matter to you as long as they made Bush look bad. You are all Fn nuts and most Americans as much as they may not like Bush count their lucky stars that the nut leader Algore is not president today.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:21 am#65
Nice way to bring in the troops to the conversation. Now if someone disagrees with you do they hate the troops too?
Comment by dlet — June 8, 2006 @ 9:18 am
I like how I’m being a “traitor” essentially because I am hoping to see some good come of this. You are mimicking the radical right my friend, using the same tactics against anyone who challenges your group think mentality.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:23 amResults:
AFGHANISTAN IS BOMBED AND A BUSH ‘DEMOCRACY’ IS ‘FORMED’ and now violence and the Taliban rule the day and Bush’s numbers drop
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED and violence breaks out everywher in Iraq, Bush’s numbers drop
A TURNING POINT and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
UDAY KILLED and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
QUDAY KILLED and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
BUSH ADMIN/PENTAGON WANTS BILLIONS MORE FOR IRAQ WAR and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
#2 IS KILLED and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
SADDAM CAPTURED and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
ANOTHER TURNING POINT and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
BIN LADEN RENDERED IRRELEVANT BY BUSH ADMIN. and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
ANOTHER #2 IS CAPTURED and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
GEORGE BUSH GETS RE-ELECTED and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
BUSH ASKS FOR MORE BILLIONS TO SPEND IN IRAQ and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
BUTT IN ON PALESTINEAN ELECTIONS, Hammas wins and Bush’s numbers drop
BUTT IN ON EGYPTIAN ELECTIONS, violence erupts and Bush’s numbers drop
ANOTHER #2 IS KILLED and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drops
ELECTIONS IN IRAQ and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
BUSH SAYS WE HAVE TO STAY IN IRAQ TO CONTINUE SPREADING FREEDOM DUST and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
SADDAM GOES ON TRIAL and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
IRAQI TROOPS TRAINED and violence increases and Bush’s number drop
ANOTHER TURNING POINT and Iraq’s most revered, ancient Golden Mosque is bombed and Bush’s numbers drop
BUSH LABELS CRITICS AS TRAITORS and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
BUSH ADMIN. SAYS IT’S THE MEDIA’S FAULT FOR IRAQ and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
BUSH ADMIN SAYS TROOPS WANT TO BE IN IRAQ and a Pentagon survey shows that 72% of our troops want out, Bush’s numbers drop
YET ANOTHER #2 IS CAUGHT and the violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
BUSH ASKS FOR MORE BILLIONS FOR IRAQ and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
AN IRAQI PRIME MINISTER IS APPOINTED and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
IRAQ GOVERNMENT FORMED and violence increases and Bush’s numbers drop
*****YOU FILL IN THE REST********
ZARQAWI KILLED and ………
IRAQI GOV’T NAMES AN INTERIOR AND DEFENSE MINISTER and…….
and let’s forcast: OSAMA BIN LADEN IS CAPTURED OR KILLED and …………
June 8th, 2006 at 9:23 am#85 You’re the same troll that claimed to be a catholic theologist (but you did not even wrote theologist correctly, so much for your knowledge anyways)? Sorry, but your words don’t match in nothing with a true christian values. No christian rejoices of the murder of NOBODY.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:26 amBig deal…. Someone else will take his place.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:27 am#78 – We’re supposed to be happy about the death of Zarqawi, a terrorist but NOT to be happy if bushy, a terrorist, should be killed?
You are sooooooo contradicting yourself.
Which is it? Should we be happy when a terrorist is assassinated or not?
Comment by Stupid Republicans — June 8, 2006 @ 9:21 am
No actually I would have preferred if he were brought to trial, same with Bush, but I didn’t get to make that call. I am against the death penalty in general, it would seem a far worse punishment to sit in a jail cell for 50 years. BUT, it is what it is, and it even if it leads to one less GI getting blown up or one less Iraqi man getting a hole drilled into his head, then it’s a good thing.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:28 amGood riddence to bad rubbish, the man was deserving of nothing better than a horribel death and an unmarked grave.
I hope at some point real news services remind people that yes Zarqawi was in Iraq prior to 911 and that he was living in area’s under the US no-fly zone and that he was fighting Sadaam and had been fighting him for years. He hated Sadaam for being a secular ruler.
As far as him being the worst? Perhaps he had brutal methods, but there was this guy who used to be in the headlines all the time. He planned and executed an attack on the united states that killed 3,000 people. What was his name again?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:30 am#1
Even the suicider bombers that kill other Iraqis?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:30 amI may make a spelling error or two but at least it’s in English.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:31 am93-
June 8th, 2006 at 9:35 amyou have no idea how stupid your statement is, do you?
Prepare yourselves – this will be wall-to-wall coverage for the weekend. Propaganda rules! Bush will bask in reflected glory, Rumsfeld will be the victorious Sec. of Def. All is right with the world. Iraq will be calmed, the government will hold sensitivity meetingw with al the sects.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:35 amThe demise of a terrorist is a good thing, no doubt, but Bush&Co deserve no credit because if they had not gone into Iraq, destabilized the country which had been held together by the dictator Hussein, none of this would have happened.
This in no way exonerates the warmongers.
#93 So yes, you’re the hypocrite wannabe catholic “theologist”. Well, if you advocate killing people and pretend to be a catholic theologist, I fear your words are simply the ones of a liar.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:36 amHow stupid Blue?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:37 amThis is good news. Now we should get out of Iraq while we’re still ahead!
June 8th, 2006 at 9:38 amThey finally got Osama!!!
..no wait nevermind .. it is that guy that started killing people when we invaded Iraq… damnit ..
June 8th, 2006 at 9:39 amtroll,
I can’t BELIEVE I have to explain this to you………….
I may make a spelling error or two but at least it’s in English.
What did you just read? Hmmmmm….?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:40 amPerhaps ENGLISH?
So please people, give yourselves a little credibility and be happy just for a monent.
Killing someone is supposed to make us “happy?” No wonder this world is so screwed up.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:41 amDo I have to spell out the double negative to you Blue?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:42 am#19
Yet another error in your information sources?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:43 amInteresting that Pres. Bush takes responsibility for anything that is good, but refuses to take responsibility for anything that is bad.
Nobody on this site is crying over the death of al-Zarqawi. It’s only the sick-o-Phantic trolls that falsely claim that because they have no other argument available to them. So sad.
Of course, we are always killing the #2 person of al-Quida. Don’t you know that everyone in al-Quida is a #2 person outside of Usama bin Laden? That’s the only way the Bush administration can spin the news in their favor.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:44 amThe two groups of people not celebrating this news are Democrats and Wahhabi / Al Qaeda supporters….good company you keep
Comment by Goodday
And you know who has been celebrating since 911? Thats right Bush family best buddies the Saudi Royals!!! Yep they have been really raking in the cash since 911 and no body made them pay for 911! What a great deal hurray!
Bush family friends calls for the enslavement of jewish women.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:44 amIt’s ENGLISH, Idiot!
June 8th, 2006 at 9:44 amAn ENGLISH Double Negative!!!!!
Get a brain cell.
#92 the press, FOX news, continually harp on the foreign fighter issue. However, when the military guys speak (the generals) they say very few of the people they fight are foreigners, maybe 5 – 15%. The Iraqi’s are not really any more of a homogenous people than the yugoslavians were. Iraq was a country arbitrarily put together back after WWI and they took these factions who have always historically hated each other and forced them to live as one. And like Yugoslavia the country has always needed a tyranical strongman to hold it together, lest the hatered spill over into the open warfare we see today.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:46 amsafe assumptions:
1. someone will take his place.
2. some insurgents will be emboldened/angered and step up attacks.
3. some insurgents will be demoralized and abandon attacks.
either way, this is a positive development. regardless of his operational involvement, his visible leadership in many respects propelled some elements of the terrorist attacks.
the most important lesson to other terrorists is that killing innocent iraqis will not be tolerated by other iraqis. al zarqawi was turned on by people in his own leadership, probably because they were tired of his tactics and his continued insistance on killing iraqis.
what i want to know, at the very least, whether or not this makes a huge difference in the end, why are the majority of you here incapable of saying ‘killing al zarqawi is a good thing’? failing to do this only once again exposes how ridiculious and out of touch most who watch this site are.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:46 amPaige, Justplainmad and Clif and others are reflecting my own suspicions about the timing, and the facts as we know them. The abruptly cancelled briefing yesterday, the building that is a pile of rubble, yet Al-Zarqawi looks in complete repose. Is this part of a justification plan to invade Iran?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:47 amget a life blue.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:47 amThat grammar nazism is stupid. That is exactly what I told my grammar teachers in high school and I was correct in my estimation that it would make absolutely NO difference in my adult life… so really agruing over that crap is just dumb… go to a grammar blogg and argue it.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:48 amoooooo, I guess you told me…….
June 8th, 2006 at 9:48 am“Within Iraq, a small percentage of the insurgency is composed of foreign fighters. The US military in Iraq estimates that there are around 1,000 members of an insurgency that many others say numbers at least 15,000. But foreign fighters are far more likely to be suicide bombers than Iraqi fighters, a reflection of the extreme religious convictions that underpin their involvement.”
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0712/p01s03-woeu.html
I can’t help giving trolls the red-a$$.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:49 amInteresting that Pres. Bush takes responsibility for anything that is good, but refuses to take responsibility for anything that is bad.
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VERY WELL SAID DEMOCRAT SOLDIER (104) AND SO DAMN TRUE. THIS POINT SHOULD BE MADE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
Bush insincerely coming out to say ‘I shouldn’t have said bring em on’ doesn’t count as taking reponsibility for the enormous failures, including the planning, the occupation, the plan for peace, a plan AT ALL
June 8th, 2006 at 9:50 amDoes Fox News have icons in waiting when one of these “big” things happens? I switched through channels then stumbled on to them at the end of a segment and they flashed on the screen “Al-Zarqawi DEAD” and church bells ringing in the backround and then a commercial…..what a scary propaganda machine.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:50 amI agree. Thank you gerald. I was just giving loco spaniard some crap back.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:51 amJust let the right wingers howl… they have been getting browbeat for a long while now and they need to feel like they have SOMETHING going for them… in just a couple weeks there will be hundreds if not thousands of more dead and many Americans as well and their celebrations will look callus and cold. We all know they didnt get Osama nor did they take out AlQeadas supporters in Saudi Arabia nor Pakistan. Hooting and Howlering is how these people let out stress or something …let them have their 15 minutes.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:52 amPaige, Justplainmad and Clif and others are reflecting my own suspicions about the timing, and the facts as we know them. The abruptly cancelled briefing yesterday, the building that is a pile of rubble, yet Al-Zarqawi looks in complete repose. Is this part of a justification plan to invade Iran?
Comment by Marie — June 8, 2006 @ 9:47 am
I guess I’m not as cynical as you are, there isn’t always some evil figure in the background working the machinery to such a degree. I don’t see the connection you are making to Iran, although I don’t have FNC on right now.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:52 amDead men can’t talk, and yet this will be painted as a great victory in our unincisive media.
We learn nothing, we rule by brute force, we are the worst empire in recorded history because we signal a return to the brutality that produced gladiators at a time when the rest of the world which lies beyond our touch remains well above such inhumanity.
This is all a big fat lie told by the big fat liars who live in DC.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:55 amI am #85 ‘Evil Spanierd’…………….how in the hell does me writing a list of things Bush has failed to capitolize on make me a TROLL? wtf Where in my post am I ‘delighting in anyone’s death’? What does Christianity have to do with the list of Bush’s failures?
June 8th, 2006 at 9:55 amI for one am happy that Zarqawi won’t be beheading anyone. I realize that his role in Iraq was pumped up to justify the war, I realize he is not the leader the Bush admin would like to make him out to be, but his is still a loathsome and terrible person.
Despite the claims on fox news, this will not change the vioence in Iraq. The violence is along secular lines, as well as terrorists. We most likely will not see a change in violence, unless the Iraqi Sunnis, shiites, and Kurds can all get along. Whether they can form a government remains to be seen.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:56 amwhat i want to know, at the very least, whether or not this makes a huge difference in the end, why are the majority of you here incapable of saying ‘killing al zarqawi is a good thing’? failing to do this only once again exposes how ridiculious and out of touch most who watch this site are.
Comment by Chase
Killing or capturing him most certainly will mean a few less deaths each week of innocent people. Is it good? Yes. Is capturing that guy that raped and killed a girl in her college dorm last week here in America a good thing? Yes. Is this going to be the “turning point” or whatever ever else is going to be spun by the right? Nope. So I agree it should not be a big deal to say …good… too many innocent Iraqis are getting killed for no reason. Then again it also is going to be portrayed as somekind of great victory and everyone here knows it is not true.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:57 am“Bush was pretty humble in his little press conference, he didn’t have a flight suit on and I didn’t see any banners…”
Well, at least not prior to his announcement about al-Zarqawi to the press. A CNN reporter at the White House said he saw Bush through a window in the Oval Office and Bush had a great big smile on his face and he was talking to members of his cabinet with his hands and arms moving wildly through the air and seemed to be so excited he could barely contain himself. Bush was giddy. As he should have been, I suppose, given his sh*tty presidency.
Yeah, it’s easy to say “just turn off Fox News,” but most people will not, and will believe the filth that spews from the talking heads there.
Forgive me, but it’s hard to get excited about the death of a man who is a relative nobody prior to the invasion, yet is built up to the level of “the most dangerous man in the world,” as described by Fox News, by our own military.
June 8th, 2006 at 9:59 amBy the way loco “murder” is the unlawful killing of one human by another. This was lawful.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:00 amHow many times can they kill the same guy?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:00 am#61
“You have to call people out on their shit…whether it’s Fox News, Chris Matthews, Norah O’Donell, Rush Limbaugh, Glen Beck, Ann Coulter, Fred Hiatt, Deborah Howell, Joe Klein, etc… ”
…or CBS, NBC and Keith Olbermann, Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, TP, Ed Schultz, Nancy Skinner, Mike Malloy, definately Lynn Samuels, Rachel Maddow, ect….there just isn’t enough time to list them all.
BTW what do you consider to be a legitimate news source?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:01 amwe are the worst empire in recorded history because we signal a return to the brutality that produced gladiators at a time when the rest of the world which lies beyond our touch remains well above such inhumanity.
This is all a big fat lie told by the big fat liars who live in DC.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 8, 2006 @ 9:55 am
What’s with the drastic hyperbole, that’s a pretty bold statement, you should check out some history classes at your local community college.
But I don’t blame you, I blame Bush, you are obviously a product of a failed education system.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:01 amTracy,
If you would take the time to figure out that I was responding to someone who said, ‘We should just ignore what Fox News does”
June 8th, 2006 at 10:04 amI thought the dude had already been killed several times. Wonder if they’re reanimating him somehow…
June 8th, 2006 at 10:06 amIt seem some censorship is goin on around here again.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:08 am#127 – I don’t think so. Just about every news source has been quite happy to report that al-Zarqawi is dead.
That is what you’re referring to, right?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:11 amHas anyone seen the picture on CNN?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:12 amThe military are showing a photo of Zarqawi’s dead face. That’s not funny. What is funny is that they matted and then framed it.
No. Post have been deleted. Not mine I play nice.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:12 amfailing to do this only once again exposes how ridiculious and out of touch most who watch this site are.
Comment by Chase #105
Chased,
…then I gather YOU have a good reason for being here?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:14 amtwo huge bombs, the buildings are obliterated, and yet Zarqawi isn’t obliterated?
IS criminal GW getting ready to pull out the OBL card before Nov Elections?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:17 amThis Abu Musab al-Zarqawi death is bad news for the majority here. Sad day.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:18 amPAIGE — great reporting.
i’m glad he’s gone. I’m sure he’s been replaced already. Now we deal with an unknown entity, and certain revenge. I think we should brace ourselves.
The thing that stood out for me in the article from MSNBC was that they had been hunting Zarqawi for two weeks. So they finally start hunting bin Laden, they’ll catch him two weeks? Christ on a cracker…
June 8th, 2006 at 10:23 amI like how I’m being a “traitor†essentially because I am hoping to see some good come of this. You are mimicking the radical right my friend, using the same tactics against anyone who challenges your group think mentality.
Comment by onthefence
I asked you if someone challenged you would they be considered to hate the troops. Where in that statement did I call you a traitor? I leave slinging monkey poo to the right. I was questioning your reasoning for bringing the “support our troops” angle into this discussion. No real need to do so unless you want it to use it to defend your position. Which in my opinion reduces your position. Now you may have misunderstood what i meant, typed without thinking about it, or just want to try and spin…spin …spin.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:25 amThis Abu Musab al-Zarqawi death is bad news for the majority here. Sad day.
Comment by Tracy — June 8, 2006 @ 10:18 am
No one said it was bad news… It’s just not the great news that the right is sure to make it out to be if it changes nothing (the two wars raging in Afghanistan and Iraq)… or, makes things worse because they just replace Zarqawi and move forward. Isn’t that what Catholics do when the Pope dies? Replace him and move on with their cult? It’ll be no different here – making it a non-issue. Not the great news you pretend it to be.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:28 am#103
Interesting that Pres. Bush takes responsibility for anything that is good, but refuses to take responsibility for anything that is bad.
Comment by Democrat Soldier
You must not have been paying attention during Katrina. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin created a debacle with their incompetence. Fema and Mike Brown got all the heat, and Bush in a press conference took the responsiblity for the situation.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:28 amSo you don’t think perhaps it will be a morale booster? Sorry but I’m not using anyone as a crutch, just trying to highlight that in fact, this is the first good news to come out of Iraq in recent memory.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:29 amSo they finally start hunting bin Laden, they’ll catch him two weeks? Christ on a cracker…
Comment by Zookeeper — June 8, 2006 @ 10:23 am
They’re always bragging about what a great military we have. So when do we get to see it?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:31 amGood. Now, drop a bomb in the white house, would you?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:32 am#133 – Awwww! Isn’t it cute when a troll believes the spin they make up about their opponents?!? Next thing you’ll hear is he believes that spin out of the Bush administration as nothing but the truth!
It’s always amusing when the kool-aide makes wingers drunk.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:33 amThis Abu Musab al-Zarqawi death is bad news for the majority here. Sad day.
Comment by Tracy
Why? This guy was a NOBODY until Bush invaded Iraq. He was not part of AlQeada until AFTER the Iraq invasion. Which means all his killings are a product of the illegal war in Iraq which you support. This does nothing to help your case. Nor hurt ours. Bush still held hands with the Saudi Royals whom funded/funds AlQeada. Bush still flew the Saudis out of America instead of letting them face justice for 911. Bush still has INCREASED terrorism which Zarqawi is example #1 of. It took how many years to get this guy and he is a nobody. There is very little hope the crazy and cowardly right will EVER go after the Saudis behind 911. And when the killings go on in Iraq are you going to come back here and post that the majority on this site was correct? No I didnt think so.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:35 am#134 Tracy,
A little bit predictable aren’t you? Thanks for confirming my prediction (#125).
Now go run along and watch the pretty sparkly tv box with big strong uncle George on it. Go on! There’s a good little mindless zombiechicken.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:35 am#137 – Now your re-inventing history.
“Nobody could have anticipated the breaching of the levees.”
Pres. bush has only made a half-a$$ed attempt at taking responsibility by saying “I shouldn’t have said ‘bring ‘em on’” and that’s about it.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:35 am“Bush in a press conference took the responsiblity for the situation.
Comment by Antagonist — June 8, 2006 @ 10:28 am”
Bush said: “To the extent that the federal government was responsible, I take responsibility.”
That is almost like Bill Clinton asking what the meaning of the word “is” is.
Bush made that statement while fidgeting like a 10 year old boy called on the carpet, he had to turn away from the camera while saying it, it was the most pathetic behavior I ever saw from an adult.
As to Zarqawi, good riddance….
-GSD
June 8th, 2006 at 10:37 amYou must not have been paying attention during Katrina. Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin created a debacle with their incompetence. Fema and Mike Brown got all the heat, and Bush in a press conference took the responsiblity for the situation.
Comment by Antagonist
Now THAT is funny!
Bush was caught on TAPE as the fool he was… or did you miss that video?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:38 amNOW THAT IRAQ IS WON …. ONTO IRAN….
YOU CAN ALL THANK BUSH FOR BEING THE GREATEST LEADER SINCE LINCOLN NOW….
TODAY IS THE DAY ALL YOU LIBERALS MUST AGREE,,, THIS IS PURE VICTORY IN IRAQ.
FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:39 amThey are crowing about Zarqawi, the guy that the US military was calling a goof two weeks ago…You know the guy in the tennis shoes who couldn’t operate a rifle properly……..
Yeah, the death of that incompetent boob is now going to cause the end of the insurgency…
-GSD
June 8th, 2006 at 10:40 amTODAY IS THE DAY ALL YOU LIBERALS MUST AGREE,,, THIS IS PURE VICTORY IN IRAQ.
FREEDOM IS ON THE MARCH.
Comment by ANVILHEAD
So the killings are over!!!! oops nope 10 more people just got car bombed… CNN…. oh well next theory?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:42 am#149 – “NOW THAT IRAQ IS WON …. ONTO IRAN”
Huh?!? Killing one person is “won”? It’s no wonder you wingers are so out of touch with reality.
Don’t worry, when you lose seats this coming november, I’m sure you’ll be told how that is a major victory.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:43 amI can’t decide if I don’t care or if I just flat out don’t believe it.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:43 amI didn’t know that the killing of one man could have such a positive effect on the world markets.
If we would bomb every city in the world, the market would soar to 20,000 DJIA, wouldn’t it?
Gulf War I upto the Iraq war has cost the nation of Iraq some one million lives. One terrorist is killed, and it’s the greatest victory since the Phoenicians in Carthage were mass murdered by the Roman Army.
According to Madeline Albright, it’s all been worth it.
I don’t know about you, but it is costing me dearly at the gas pump.
So much oil has been pumped from beneath the floor of the Gulf Coast, that it is collapsing. Same for the Brent Sea too.
Zarqawi is dead, so everything will now go back to normal.
Nicht so schnell. I don’t think so. US government leaders have screwed up big time, and now they can seek redemption with the death of one terrorist? Nope, ain’t gonna happen. They’re not off the hook by any means.
As long as the war goes on, billionaires become bigger billionaires. Hardly peace and prosperity.
It’s just plain hell on earth. It smells bad.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:43 amAHead is a good guy just trying to provoke us. Nobody can be that stupid. I mean Lincoln = Bush?… Freedom on the march? jajaja.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:45 amAMERICA HATERS ARE CRYING TODAY…
THE FRENCH THE RUSSIANS THE GERMANS ARE ALL SAD AMERICA IS WINNING.
AMERICAN AIR POWER IS SUPREME. IRAN IS VERY VERY SCARED NOW.
THIS IS A GREAT TURNING POINT.
REPUBLICANS WILL WIN THE FALL ELECTIONS
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS DOOMED !!!!!!!
June 8th, 2006 at 10:46 amSigh. It’s one man people. Al-Qaeda is a loose network. That’s why it gives us so much trouble. You take out one node, you haven’t stopped the network. It routes around failure because of the other loose connections.
Zarqawi was an important piece, but not irreplacable. While everyone is ecstatic, they should do some reading about network theory. To take down a network, you have to either kill the hubs (some could make an argument that he was a hub, but if he was given up by his own people, then he wasn’t the main hub) or massively damage a critical mass of nodes.
This is PR, not strategy. The real danger from Iraq to the United States is the ability of terrorists to cause us to fling money and material at them over and over and damage our ability to defend our nation far worse than they would ever be able to do in a direct confrontation. They’re using the “surrender strategy.” Go read your 48 Laws of Power, people!!!!
June 8th, 2006 at 10:47 am#133
No, Tracy, as was pointed out earlier, the death of al-Zarqawi will probably mean fewer deaths to innocent people. But don’t expect me to take a day of vacation from work to celebrate.
On the other hand, are you so sure he will not be replaced?
The problem that I believe most of us have is the hype and propaganda we will see from this, not only from the administration, but from the likes of Fox News who, as you’ve seen already, have already promoted al-Zarqawi to the most dangerous man in the world.
And speaking of propaganda, I do believe it was members of the Bush administration who previously stated that the war with Iraq wouldn’t take more than 6 months; advised the American public that “we know where the WMDs are” and then recently claimed those words were not spoken, although they are on tape; told us the Iraqis would throw flowers at our troops’ feet; told us that the insurgency was in its last throes; and advised us that the mission was accomplished.
I may, however, take a day of vacation in celebration of our troops coming home AND the capture or death of bin Laden. But since our decider-in-chief has chosen to let the next president decide the fate of our occupation in Iraq, and doesn’t give a damn where bin Laden is, I don’t plan on being in any hurry.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:48 amGovernor Rick Perry will soon be cutting the budgets for parks, prisons, public health and welfare in Texas.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:50 amThis was after artificially increasing the appraisal value of my home 25% to increase my tax burden while at the same time cutting taxes on business. Yippee.
that guy they killed wasn’t zarqawi…but go ahead and believe it…if it makes you feel better…
June 8th, 2006 at 10:50 amOk I regret responding to the anvil… I got a little too fast on my replys…
THE AMERICA HATERS LOST IN THE SENATE YESTERDAY! THAT IS RIGHT THE BIGOTS THAT WANTED TO CHANGE THE CONSTITUTION FROM A CONTRACT OF THE PEOPLE LIBERTIES INTO A SYMBOL OF BIGOTRY.
BUT THEY LOST! BECAUSE THEY ARE LOSERS! JUST LIKE ANVIL! LOOOOOSERS! THE KKK IS NOT ON A COME BACK SORRY ANVIL!
OSAMA FELLOW AMERICAN HATERS LIKE ANVIL AND MA AND BUSH AND RUSH ARE ALL REACHING FOR STRAWS TRYING TO FIND A WAY TO DESTROY AMERICA BECAUSE THEY HATE OUR FREEDOMS! THE FREEDOMS OF THE GAYS WERE UNDER ATTACK!
BUT THE GAYS WON AGAINST THE AMERICAN HATER NEOCONS!
THE GAYS BEAT YOUR ASS!
June 8th, 2006 at 10:52 amKnow I KNOW that Juan C is correct that Ahead is just trying to provoke people.
#156 – “REPUBLICANS WILL WIN THE FALL ELECTIONS”
Don’t worry, we’ll all ingore your cries of pain when you ran head long into the truth come Nov. 8th and you realize that you have fewer seats in the both the Senate and the House.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:52 amSo lemme see if I got this right.
After 3 years, 500 Billion dollars, 100,000 dead Iraqi’s and 2500 dead Americans, the greatest military in the world finally shot a guy, who by their own admission couldn’t shoot a gun.
Outstanding. Heck-uva-job.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:52 amBut even if they blew up every terrorist in the world, including OSAMA -who must be living in a 5th avenue penthouse waiting for the CIA to tell him what to say in his next video- which, of course, they wont so they can continue bringing fear to americans and keeping the war industry on the run, IT WONT BE A VICTORY WITH 38,254 iraqis civilian deaths, 18,254 american injured and 2480 american deaths. By the way, Madeline Albright – plain murderer, too.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:54 amCan we go home now?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:55 amYOU WILL ALL COMMIT SUICIDE WHEN REPUBLICANS RETAIN CONTROL OF CONGRESS.
THIS SITE WILL CLOSE DOWN.
LIBERAL BLOGS WILL SHUT DOWN AND THE ENTIRE COUNTRY WILL BE REPUBLICAN
DEMOCRATS WILL BE A MEMORY… JUST LIKE ZARQAWI….
HOW MUCH DO YOU JUST LOVE AMERICAN AIR POWER ?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:56 amWorfeus – and it took two 2,500 pound bombs to get him! Aren’t you impreseed? :)
June 8th, 2006 at 10:57 am#164 jajajaja.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:00 amThis is truly a great day for America, Iraq, and the world. God bless the men and women of our military. God bless George W. Bush for his unrelenting pursuit of these monsters….You just know that Osama is just a little bit more nervous today than he was yesterday. Hey Osama, you’re next!
June 8th, 2006 at 11:01 am[...] I decdied to hit some moonbat sites to see how they are taking the news about Zarqawi’s death. I stopped by the inaptly named Think Progress blog and a quick scan of their comments shows that they had already decided it was a hoax/psyops/conspiracy/Rovian plot to distract us from the TRUTH! Then one commentor said it all: The two groups of people not celebrating this news are Democrats and Wahhabi / Al Qaeda supporters….good company you keep [...]
June 8th, 2006 at 11:02 amThis is truly a great day for America, Iraq, and the world. God bless the men and women of our military. God bless George W. Bush for his unrelenting pursuit of these monsters….You just know that Osama is just a little bit more nervous today than he was yesterday. Hey Osama, you’re next!
Comment by Exley
“I don’t know where he is.You know, I just don’t spend that much time on him… I truly am not that concerned about him.”[President Bush, Press Conference, 3/13/02]
Ya so when are we invading Saudi Arabia and/or Pakistan?
June 8th, 2006 at 11:04 am#168 – “HOW MUCH DO YOU JUST LOVE AMERICAN AIR POWER ?”
About as much as you obviously enjoy sniffing the airplane glue.
Man, do all trolls drink from the same kool-aide? If I were you, I’d make AHead get his own sippy cup. Poor boy (?) thinks the Republicans are going to win seats. it would be funny if it weren’t so sad. . . . .
June 8th, 2006 at 11:04 amCareful seeing Al Zarqawi being dead as good fortune. The Tao teaches us someone worse could replace him.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:04 amComment by Derrick Crowe
Terrorism, just like drugs, prostitution and war is a business. It wont ever stop cause it is not in the interest on governments to stop it. Imagine one day, US says “I am done with wars, no more” What about all influent people in the ARMY, NAVY, manufacturing companies of jets, choppers, tanks, guns, armors, IR detectors, and University belic projects? What about the war on drugs? Do they educate people to stop its consumption? No, cause that is the solution. See? It is all about the money, forget ideologies, forget nice worlds.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:07 amWorfeus – and it took two 2,500 pound bombs to get him! Aren’t you impreseed? :)
Comment by unbelievable — June 8, 2006 @ 10:57 am
Oh thoroughly.
I mean, hell this just makes it all worth it.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:13 am14. “The two groups of people not celebrating this news are Democrats and Wahhabi / Al Qaeda supporters….good company you keep
Comment by Goodday — June 8, 2006 @ 5:29 am ”
And the two groups celebrating this news are those who can make political points from it and the sheep who so desperately want to believe the bushit they need to make them feel like they are somebody,or at least, better than somebody else!
June 8th, 2006 at 11:16 amThis is truly a great day for America, Iraq, and the world. God bless the men and women of our military. God bless George W. Bush for his unrelenting pursuit of these monsters….You just know that Osama is just a little bit more nervous today than he was yesterday. Hey Osama, you’re next!
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 11:01 am
LOL.
Yea its a great day in American history.
After 3 years of wasted money, wasted lives and wasted resources you finally killed one guy who couldn’t even fire a rifle without help.
Like I said, heck-uva-job.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:16 amI mean, hell this just makes it all worth it.
Comment by FLAVIUS WORFEUS — June 8, 2006 @ 11:13 am
: )
You know what would impress me even more than all of this – peace. Yep. Peace. Any idiot can pull a trigger. But it takes a real diplomat to be able to sit down, look his (or her) opponent in the eye, and find a concensus that doesn’t involve sending innocent people to fight tehir battles with bullets and bombs. The Far right wants to see me impressed? Show me the peace…
June 8th, 2006 at 11:18 amIF THE REPUBLICANS CANNOT EVEN DEFEAT THE GAYS HOW CAN THEY STOP ALQEADA???
ISLAM BEHEADS GAYS
REPUBLICANS JUST STAND THERE AND GET BITCHSLAPPED
IF WE WANT TO STOP ALQEADA WE EITHER NEED TO REPLACE REPUBLICANS WITH THE GAYS OR THE DEMOCRATS
June 8th, 2006 at 11:20 am…two 2,500 pound bombs to get him! Aren’t you impreseed? :)
Comment by unbelievable
What? Why isn’t the guy more messed up? Or is the only thing left his head — nicely matted and framed, i might add.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:22 amCmon Gerald you and I both know this was never intended to pass it was to sollidify the moderate vote and motivate the religious. Remember conservative are about less government. Republicans retained Cunninghams seat despite predictions and Arnold had a great day as well. So “Progress” has been made.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:23 amJuan C : I don’t disagree on any particular point.
And I get a little weirded out that upon hearing that we killed someone, the right-wingers start saying “God Bless our troops,” etc. ect. Jesus Christ is not a mascot for the United States of America. That’s a very *pagan* idea from back in the day where tribes went to war and saw it as a test of their gods power. I am a Christian, I was always taught that God loves *everyone*, even the broken people, and even the murderers. Otherwise there’d be a lot of munitions dropped on a lot of people at the moment in a lot of places other than Iraq if 2000 lbs bombs were instruments of God’s displeasure with people.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:24 amCmon Gerald you and I both know this was never intended to pass it was to sollidify the moderate vote and motivate the religious. Remember conservative are about less government. Republicans retained Cunninghams seat despite predictions and Arnold had a great day as well. So “Progress†has been made.
Comment by troll
That was pointed at Avil not you … but over all yes it was meant to pass by those that voted for it. They WANT it to pass and if they could get the votes from the democrats they would go all the way.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:25 amAh #183…Thank you for confirming what we all already know…While the rest of the world celebrates the death of this monster who beheaded hostages, car bombed places of worship, open-air markets, deliberately targeting and killing hundreds of innocent civilians, you and the Left are saddened by the death of Zarqawi, whom you considered some type of hero.
It’s funny…The Left mourns the death of at terrorist like Zarqawi but it gets all bent out of shape when people ask whose side they are really on in the war on terror…
June 8th, 2006 at 11:26 amWhy is everyone so excited by this? I swear I saw a video of him wearing new balance sneakers and incompetently handling a weapon.
Bushco told me he was a joke, now bushco tells me his death is a turning point.
I know, tell me when OBL is dead, maybe I’ll get excited then.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:27 am#192 – Off topic
Someone in our town sells a bumpersticker that reads: “God bless everyone — no exceptions.” I like it, and I’m getting one, even though I’m not a believer.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:27 amOr is the only thing left his head — nicely matted and framed, i might add.
Comment by Zookeeper — June 8, 2006 @ 11:22 am
You were serious about the framing? I thought you were making a joke. Some sick pervert framed a photo of a corpse?
June 8th, 2006 at 11:28 amMust be miserable to be a republican.
After being hammered day in and day out for being the most lame inept bumbling group of inbred dumbasses to ever hold office, the only thing they have to find joy in is in the death of a guy who couldn’t shoot a gun.
Why don’t you guys decorate your dinner tables with a photo of his head?
Maybe you could get some wallet sized made up and carry them around with your baby pictures.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:28 am# 194
I knew it wouldn’t be long before the right began the ‘left is mourning his death’ bullshit.
At least provide some examples if you’re gonna be lying your asses off, again.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:30 am“God bless everyone — no exceptions.†I like it, and I’m getting one, even though I’m not a believer.
Comment by Zookeeper — June 8, 2006 @ 11:27 am
I agree with that. If you’re gonna have a spiritual side – don’t be an egotistical hypocrite. Too bad the Christonazis don’t get it…
June 8th, 2006 at 11:32 amIt’s funny…The Left mourns the death of at terrorist like Zarqawi but it gets all bent out of shape when people ask whose side they are really on in the war on terror…
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 11:26 am
You know, you’re a liar.
No one here mourns his death you 2 bit punk.
And I’ll tell you another death we wouldn’t mourn. Yours.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:32 am#143
“Which means all his killings are a product of the illegal war in Iraq which you support.”
Illegal war? Who says? If you want to get technical about it this is a continuation of hostilities the NEVER ended in 1991 when Iraq signed a worthless ceasefire agreement.
“Bush still held hands with the Saudi Royals whom funded/funds AlQeada.”
There is proof the the Royal Saudi family who heads the government funds al Qaeda?
“This does nothing to help your case. Nor hurt ours.”
My case…supporting democratic political change in the Middle East to fight Islamic extremism.
Your case…status quo, should have left Sadamm in power and the U.S. had no right to remove his regime, and no chance for change in the Middle East.
“There is very little hope the crazy and cowardly right will EVER go after the Saudis behind 911.”
You know that the royal Saudis were responsible for the planning and financing of 9/11/. Please present some evidence.
“And when the killings go on in Iraq are you going to come back here and post that the majority on this site was correct? No I didnt think so.”
And when Iraq finally becomes stable politically no one here, including yourself will acknowledge that Bush was right. At that point TP will probably fade away into cyberspace.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:32 amThey’re always bragging about what a great military we have. So when do we get to see it?
Comment by unbelievable
I would change your word “military” to “leadership.” The reason being that the troops, the ones getting the praise or the blame, depending on what day it is, do what they can with the training they receive. I’m thinking it’s rather lacking these days. The leadership is whacked, from Gen Pace on up to Rummy. They’ll take all the credit for this one, of course.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:32 amGEORGE BUSH, LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD.
SLAYER OF AL QUAEDA , AND WINNER OF THE IRAQ WAR.
LIBERAL ORGANIC VEGANS CRINGE AT THE POWER OF THE USA MILITARY.
AND GEORGE BUSH CONTINUES TO MAKE AMERICA STRONG AND FREE.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:33 amDamn, Zarqawi gets all the virgins.
What a dick.
But seriously, I am hopeful this is a step toward completing the mission.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:37 am# 202..AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHA! It’s a bad day for you guys, isn’t it? The leader of Michael Moore’s “minutemen” has been wiped out by George W. Bush and our brave military and it is just eating you up, isn’t it?????
FLAVIUS WORFEUS: “I can’t believe Zarqaqi is dead! He was just a patriot fighting against the evil American invaders….But don’t you question my patriotism!!!!!”
June 8th, 2006 at 11:39 am#197 – Some sick pervert framed a photo of a corpse?
Comment by unbelievable
No joke! I saw on CNN this morning. Kind of an ivory colored mat, and a gold frame. Totally creepy.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:39 amThey’ll take all the credit for this one, of course.
Comment by Zookeeper — June 8, 2006 @ 11:32 am
I thought it was a given that the guys on the ground are just following orders? And that the ’strategery’ is set by the morons patting themselves on the back?
Credit for killiing a guy with a couple of half-ton bombs? If that’s all they got…
June 8th, 2006 at 11:39 amIt’s funny…The Left mourns the death of at terrorist like Zarqawi but it gets all bent out of shape when people ask whose side they are really on in the war on terror…
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 11:26 am
Oh yes, Exley…we wanted him to stay alive and on the run so that he could chop the head off of yet another innocent victim.
You are such an idiot.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:39 amTracy- Is this your vision of Iraq?
For the Women of Iraq, the War Is Just Beginning
By Terri Judd
The Independent UK
Thursday 08 June 2006
The women of Basra have disappeared. Three years after the US-led invasion of Iraq, women’s secular freedoms – once the envy of women across the Middle East – have been snatched away because militant Islam is rising across the country.
Across Iraq, a bloody and relentless oppression of women has taken hold. Many women had their heads shaved for refusing to wear a scarf or have been stoned in the street for wearing make-up. Others have been kidnapped and murdered for crimes that are being labelled simply as “inappropriate behaviour”. The insurrection against the fragile and barely functioning state has left the country prey to extremists whose notion of freedom does not extend to women.
There is more to this article if you have the stomach to read it.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:42 amI thought it was a given that the guys on the ground are just following orders?
I know how you meant it, Salma, but given the troll activity this morning…
June 8th, 2006 at 11:42 amTotally creepy.
Comment by Zookeeper — June 8, 2006 @ 11:39 am
We have officially re-entered the Dark Ages… That is gruesome. And pathetic, really. Maybe of these people got some hobbies we wouldn’t be n these messes?
June 8th, 2006 at 11:42 amAnd when Iraq finally becomes stable politically no one here, including yourself will acknowledge that Bush was right. At that point TP will probably fade away into cyberspace.
Comment by Tracy — June 8, 2006 @ 11:32 am
Oh yea. 100,000 dead Iraqi’s, 2500 Dead Americans, 18,000 Americans Bloodied and Cleaved, 500 Billion dollars, and in the end, IF Iraq is stable, it’ll all be so worth it.
That will sure help me sleep at night, knowing that a tiny country in the middle east, with no Navy and No Long Range Air Force is “stable”.
Course, I might point out they were stable BEFORE we went in.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:43 amWC…Oh, so you DO support the liberation of Iraq and the war against Al Qaeda? Well, good for you! That puts you in a distinct minority on this site.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:43 amPost 194 LOL > nobody on here mourns Zarqawi a boogyman created by the Bush Regime, so get real you dumb Bush loving fool Exley! Nobody knows if body shown on TV is real or some Iraqi taxi driver who was killed because he looks like the mythical boogyman? This is fraud!
June 8th, 2006 at 11:50 am# 202..AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAAHA! It’s a bad day for you guys, isn’t it? The leader of Michael Moore’s “minutemen†has been wiped out by George W. Bush and our brave military and it is just eating you up, isn’t it?????
FLAVIUS WORFEUS: “I can’t believe Zarqaqi is dead! He was just a patriot fighting against the evil American invaders….But don’t you question my patriotism!!!!!â€
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 11:39 am
Thats about all you got chump, isn’t it.
Make up words to attribute to me, because you serve your father. The father of lies.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:51 amMichael Berg just called for BUSH’S IMPEACHMENT LIVE ON CNN!!! 10:55 AM CST
…in response to Zarqawi’s death!
June 8th, 2006 at 11:54 amThat is gruesome. And pathetic, really.
Comment by unbelievable
I started thinking about it, and either the White House or Pentagon have an in-house framer, or they sent it out to a shop. Is GWB going to hang it in the Oval Office? Who needs the gay marriage issue now?
June 8th, 2006 at 11:55 amoff topic: This is how good the repukes are in security matter…
Congress drops financing for increased port security
Opponents say $648 million proposal too expensive
By KRISTEN MILLARES BOLT
P-I REPORTER
Nearly $650 million to increase scrutiny of containers shipping into Seattle and every other U.S. port was stripped out of a national security funding package moving through Congress this week in a move critics say makes the country more vulnerable to terrorist attacks.
Opponents of the $648 million for port security said it was too expensive and needed to be cut to satisfy President Bush’s request that the supplemental budget for things such as the Iraq war and Hurricane Katrina reconstruction be brought under control.
Though the action by Congress was not unexpected, port safety advocates such as Sen. Patty Murray, D-Wash., and Port of Seattle Chief Executive Mic Dinsmore were dismayed.
“We are not going to have the money we need for screening machines, customs inspectors, Coast Guard inspectors, radiation monitors, gates, fences and more,” Murray said. “The administration keeps talking a good game, but words do not provide security.”
June 8th, 2006 at 11:55 am#221cont.
…and was ABRUPTLY cut off.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:55 amExit Al Zarqawi, enter the next arch enemy from the Islamic Legion Of Doom, then repeat his (no too complicated to pronounce ) name over and over and over so I can identify it with fear, evil ,enemy. The process is not that much different than assembling a prefab Boy Band with all the coreographers,writers,managers,and publicists.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:56 amI’ll sleep better tonight…….. NOT.
#194
Comment by Exley
We dont mourn terrorists. Whose side are you? Why dont you go to the recruit office? You praise war, nonetheless you are nothing but a coward. Shut up.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:57 am#221 & 224 – Is it being reported anywhere? I couldn’t find anything on CNN’s website.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:59 ama friend of mine referred me to this site.
said there were about a dozen losers addicted to logging in – then spending all day going from headline to headline (changing their names at times to help bolster their own wierd points of view) and then spewing the most stupid crapp you’ll ever read. all day long. everyday.
i said no way, well……..way. enjoy your day losers. this is why we cannot win elections
June 8th, 2006 at 11:59 amFOX News and the Bush Regime are inferring the US military found bags of chopped off heads in the bombed out house of supposed dead terrorist Zarqawi > sounds like Jack the Ripper reborn or Jason of Friday the 13th flicks? This whole event is staged everyone, but Bush lovers will suck up every bit of drivel fed to them!
June 8th, 2006 at 11:59 amre #221
Nick Berg, son of Michael was BEHEADED by Zarqawi, and Michael would rather call out Boy George on being the TRAITOR.
Check it out, CNN TV is supposed to air more of the Berg interview in minutes…
June 8th, 2006 at 11:59 amI am hopeful this is a step toward completing the mission. Comment by For Truth
What mission?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:01 pmAMERICAN BOMBS KEEP THE WORLD FREE.
KILLING ZARQAWI : 1 EXAMPLE WHY AMERICA SHOULD RUN THE MID EAST.
BECAUSE AMERICA LOVES TO PULL TRIGGER ON TERRORIST SCUM.
AMERICANS LOVE TO KILL FOR WHAT IS RIGHT AND GOOD.
AND THE WORLD KNOWS THIS AND RESPECTS THIS.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:01 pm#203:
“Illegal war? Who says?”
Pope John Paul II said, since Republicans are so fond of mixing religion and politics. But I see your point that whatever the President says is legal, is legal. But if you want to get technical, you can’t call this a war without a formal declaration of war from Congress.
“There is proof the the Royal Saudi family who heads the government funds al Qaeda?”
Yes there is. Either that or the American government shut down a lot of Saudi charities in the U.S. illegally.
“My case…supporting democratic political change in the Middle East to fight Islamic extremism.”
This is obviously some new definition of democratic political change. Most people view this as military political change.
“Your case…status quo, should have left Sadamm in power and the U.S. had no right to remove his regime, and no chance for change in the Middle East.”
Soft bigotry of low expectations. Your case: The Arabs cannot institute change without the threat of death at the hands of the U.S. military. Some of us believe change can happen culturally and politically. Some of us believe the kind of change you propose cannot happen militarily.
“You know that the royal Saudis were responsible for the planning and financing of 9/11/. Please present some evidence.”
You know Saddam was responsible for 9/11 please present some evidence. Oh wait. The GWOT has nothing to do with 9/11, or with WMD. It’s all about a 1991 cease fire agreement.
But keep arguing that we should not investigate any possible role of the Saudis. They won’t let us, Bush isn’t going to press the issue. You seem okay with that.
“And when Iraq finally becomes stable politically no one here, including yourself will acknowledge that Bush was right.”
Bush spent three years and 3,000 soldiers’ lives and things have only gotten worse. If you think it will suddenly turn around in the 4th year, then I certainly can’t fault your optimism.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:02 pmJuan C…..You say you don’t mourn terrorists, but in the next breath you say killing them is wrong…That’s QUITE an argument!
June 8th, 2006 at 12:04 pmhit the nail on the head Hillary C.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:05 pmPost 128 > those who you infer that change their names on here are the Bush loving trolls like I-Right-I, Mighty Aphrodite, Exley, Kyle Cotner, and Santo Gnende the loon, etc. > their names change or they take different identities like Zarqawi boogyman!
Hillary C > your screenname implies someone who shifts their identity as well!
June 8th, 2006 at 12:06 pmPost 228 I mean
June 8th, 2006 at 12:06 pm#237 – That’s great, Jay.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:07 pm#164
So let me get this straight after 6 years later after 33 million civilians and 17 million military dead and trillions upon trillions of dollars, the worlds greatest military finally corners a guy who Neville Chamberlain appeased… despite his ambitions to take over the world in his book… after all Hitler was anti slaughter and anti smoking…
It is wonder what you would say if we had Bin Laden… “yeah, but…”
The man was evil… his acts were evil… celebrate his demise and lets move on and finish this thing. We are fighting a P.C. war in iraq. And there is nothing more P.C. than (2) 500lbs precision bombs on his head amongst friends..
June 8th, 2006 at 12:08 pmi see i hurt a raw nerve. — sorry losers
June 8th, 2006 at 12:08 pmAt least twice this administration had plans in front of them to kill Zarkowi. in 2002 and in 2003 (check raw story for more detail). Both times the WH shut it down. So do we all blindly stand behind Bush for this scums death now?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:09 pmI started thinking about it, and either the White House or Pentagon have an in-house framer, or they sent it out to a shop.
Considering this could be their only ‘triumph’ – would have to be much cheaper to send it out to a frame shop. Since we know there’s no logic to their actions, then they must have someone on staff. 3 years salary times $50,000 a year + $150,000 frame job…
Is GWB going to hang it in the Oval Office?
LOL
Who needs the gay marriage issue now?
Comment by Zookeeper — June 8, 2006 @ 11:55 am
Well, if that’s all they got :)
June 8th, 2006 at 12:09 pmLies all lies! dont believe it!
June 8th, 2006 at 12:09 pmhit the nail on the head Hillary C.
Comment by robert — June 8, 2006 @ 12:05 pm
Can’t help but notice you’re both in here.
Why don’t you hit each other on the head?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:10 pmhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
June 8th, 2006 at 12:11 pmOnly Bush loving trolls come on here with different screennames, or try to say they are female when they are male, or claime they are 40 when they are 20, or boast they are a lawyer when actually they cut hair in a Salon in Soho! You trolls are pathetic creatures on prozac > lol.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:12 pm#241 – Hillary C — Waaaaaaah! Thanks for hanging around for it, though.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:12 pmIt’s OK with me he’s dead, and yes the troops and the US need something to be hopeful of. It’s regrettable that his death is turning into a pissing match between the “I told ya’s” and the “I told ya so’s”.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:14 pm“Tips and intelligence from Iraqi senior leaders from his network led forces to al-Zarqawi and some of his associates who were conducting a meeting … when the air strike was launched.â€
So if some of the associates who turned in al-Zarqawi got killed by the bombs, do they get their virgins? Is there a protocol for that?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:14 pmi agree — 248
June 8th, 2006 at 12:15 pm# 224 Exley. Exactly. Taking a life is wrong, so I would not by any means kill you, for example. But I would not mourn your death. Nor GWB´s, the greatest terrorist of all times. So, if you are eager to see more terrorists been taken down, you probably consider the ones that cut off rich people taxes and increase those of the hard working class, put harder restrains to civil rights in your country -you that are so worried about other´s countries freedoms- or maybe you just might want to review the “liberating” enterprises of US in other countries. You are a little, misguided, poor boy.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:16 pmthey just want his approval rating to go up.
plus the stock market, it is currently TANKing, and they (cnbc) keep talking about this like its going to help it rebound.
they are pathetic.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:16 pmPlease remember, and remind everyone, that Bush-Cheney could have killed Zarqawi on numerous occasions, most notably in 2002 prior to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. They chose not to on that occasion, because it might have somehow complicated their planning and disrupted their psyop aimed at the US electorate, and the US Senate, as well as our allies and the UN Security Council. How many lives would have been saved in Iraq if they had taken out Zarqawi then? But that would have meant they were staying focused on Al Qaeda, the organization that had declared war on us, and that had attacked us on our own soil. But sadly, it doesn’t matter know. Conditions in Iraq have deteriorated far beyond the savage doings of Zarqawi. It is anarchy now. And the situation will not be improved by his death. As I posted yesterday on http://words-of-power.blogspot.com, Afghanistan is on fire, Iraq is on fire, Somalia is on fire, Palestine will soon be on fire again, a real “War on Global Terrorism” would have been fought much differently. What Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld have concocted is a “War of Global Terrorism.” Here is an excerpt –
June 8th, 2006 at 12:16 pmWords of Power #23: A Reality Check, What A Real World War on Terrorism Would Look Like, and a US Mid-Term Election Strategy
By Richard Power
What Would a Real War on Global Terrorism Look Like?
A real “War on Global Terrorism” would be predicated on fierce historical honesty, including an unflinching look in the mirror. A real “War on Global Terrorism” would flow from an uncompromising analysis of contributing factors.
Leaders who sincerely wanted to wage a successful “War on Global Terrorism†would not hesitate to ask what role the struggle for energy security and geopolitical hegemony plays in the founding, financing, harboring, and tasking of terrorist organizations. They would not hesitate to inquire into the relationship between religious extremism and terrorism in the context of Middle East. They would not shrink away from asking what role the struggle for energy security and geopolitical hegemony plays in the founding, financing, and support of “Mardras” school systems that propagate hate.
The planners of a real “War on Global Terror†would identify economic opportunities as the number one priority, utilizing the Millennium Goals as an organizing principle. Their plan would be rooted in an uncompromising stand on Human Rights, e.g., the use of torture would be unthinkable, and the emancipation of women non-negotiable, in areas under our military occupation.
Leaders who had adopted a comprehensive and intellectually honest plan for winning a “War on Global Terror” would have turned achieving energy independence through reliance on renweable resources into a national security priority, one just as vital as maintaining the power to exercise military force in the Persion Gulf. In the aftermath of 9/11, they would have remained focused on Afghanistan and not have detoured into the folly of Iraq. In the aftermath of 9/11, they would have strengthened the US position as a fair broker in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process and not have abandoned Arafat and the PLO. In the aftermath of 9/11, they would have reached out to Iran and engaged in active diplomacy with the Khatami regime, instead of thirsting to bomb his successors.
But it is clear now, certainly to most people, as it was to many of us before and immediately after 9/11, that this is not a “Global War on Terrorism,” but, in a real way, a “Global War *of* Terrorism.”
In Vanity Fair, Craig Unger, author of House of Bush/House of Saud, with the insights of patriots like US Army Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, US Air Force Colonel Karen Kwiatkowski, CIA veterans Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson, US Ambassador Joe Wilson and others, tells how they sold it to you in They War They Wanted, The Lies They Needed:
“The Bush administration invaded Iraq claiming Saddam Hussein had tried to buy yellowcake uranium in Niger. As much of Washington knew, and the world soon learned, the charge was false. Worse, it appears to have been the cornerstone of a highly successful ‘black propaganda’ campaign with links to the White House.â€
They proved very efficient at carrying off that part, i.e. the “black propaganda†campaign aimed at the US electorate, with a lot of help from the complicity of the US mainstream news media, and the political cowardice of many in the US Senate.
A Mid-Term Election Strategy, Three Daming Facts, and a Plan
As the US hurtles toward the 2006 mid-term election (if there is one), the political strategy must be to turn the State of Emergency around on those that nurtured it.
There are three damning facts that need to be hammered at over and over again, simply, and consistently
1. The US government (that’s your government, if you’re a US citizen) refuses to allow the International Red Cross to gain access to certain prisoners in its custody. (Torture is not only morally repugnant; it is stupid.)
2. The US government (the House and Senate are particularly at fault on this point) refuses to fully fund and implement the 9/11 Commission recommendations.
3. Bin Laden, Zawahiri, and Mullah Omar are still alive, free and engaged in armed struggle, and influence warfare against the Western powers and their allies.
These three damning facts are unacceptable to an overwhelming majority of US citizens, both in terms of conscience and common sense. They must be emphasized over and over again.
And what should be done? To start, the US must adopt the Murtha plan (or its equivalent) and re-deploy. (The Democratic Party’s congressional leadership should have embraced Jack Murtha’s plan months ago.)
And as it does so, the US should be making it clear that it is not the its military that has failed, but the civilian leadership that committed it to a war it should not have initiated, while ignoring another one it should not have turned its back on.
Will this happen? Not unless there is at least a change of power in both the House and Senate (if that is allowed, under the present circumstances). If power changes hands, serious investigations and public hearings can be undertaken (although Bush-Cheney will refuse to comply and we will be plunged into a constitutional crisis).
Nevertheless, this is the plan, and the rationale, that should be offered to the US electorate, and to the world. Both conscience and common sense demand it.
Richard Power is the founder of GS(3) Intelligence and http://www.wordsofpower.net. His work focuses on the inter-related issues of security, sustainability and spirit, and how to overcome the challenges of terrorism, cyber crime, global warming, health emergencies, natural disasters, etc. You can reach him via e-mail: richardpower@wordsofpower.net. For more information, go to http://www.wordsofpower.net
Anyone else having trouble getting into C&L? Are they all sleeping in after too much fun in Vegas? Wish we were there…
June 8th, 2006 at 12:17 pmOr, has the outing of George Bush become the headline it deserves and they just can’y handle the volume?
Hillary C > tell us you were on here yesterday? The Kyle guy who says he is a student in florida, who dates a black girl but hates Gays, and claims he is a born again Christian?
Or are you Antagonist or some other Bush loving nut who needs thorizine?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:17 pmTerrarists are an unconventional enemy with liitle or no hierarchy, they operate independently in covert cells with only secretive funding connecting them.
vs
We just killed their leader,2nd in command,3rd in command,a training camp, headquarters etc.????
Which is it Bushco?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:17 pmI thought it was “raisins” not “virgins”… translation’s a bitch!
June 8th, 2006 at 12:18 pm#258 – So all this time kindergartners had it as good as suicide bombers?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:21 pmOh hell Santo just came on here as Angelo & Angela > lol.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:23 pmBush in the near future…..”Now that we’ve won in Iraq it’s on to Iran”.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:25 pmJuan C…You might want to try your posting again — this time in English:
“So, if you are eager to see more terrorists been taken down, you probably consider the ones that cut off rich people taxes and increase those of the hard working class…”
Wha????
June 8th, 2006 at 12:27 pmHaven’t they killed al Zarqawi 3 times now?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:27 pmDo they preserve his body and throw it on a pile of rubble every time poll numbers go a bit low for their liking?
Was he found in the act of beheading with sword in hand?and a shovel beside him?
Just how many innocents got THEIRS with this 2500 lb. surprise?
LOL,
I couldn’t resist. It would be way too much for anyone on the left to just say I’m glad the SOB is dead. His death most likely will save lives. It doesn’t mean you have to support the war and certinally not Bush. Finally, intellegence paid off (Not a normal thing here I will admit) and a strike was executed properly (Another odd occurance). Would it be so hard to just say even “Finally, Good job!” heck even throw in the barbs “Why can’t you do it more often etc. But just making excuses and complaining about it etc really is a defeatist attitude.
Just my 2 cents.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:28 pmSanto > Karl Rove told you to go over to the DailyKos blog to gum it up for today > you reported to the wrong blog > hint!
June 8th, 2006 at 12:29 pmI guess thats really not you Tundra, as you said you would no longer be posting here, and if the name is used, it’s not you.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:30 pmTundra are you the original Tundra on here? Just asking because yesterday a Tundra said you had a clone on here?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:31 pmGood news for America = bad news for the left
June 8th, 2006 at 12:31 pmyea ,,,this’ll sure stop the “DEADENDERS” from coming out of the woodwork……Good luck with all,,,That.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:35 pmthanks for validating my point
June 8th, 2006 at 12:36 pmWC…Oh, so you DO support the liberation of Iraq and the war against Al Qaeda? Well, good for you! That puts you in a distinct minority on this site.
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 11:43 am
I support the earliest withdrawal of our troops, which apparently isn’t going to be anytime soon seeing as how President Decider is leaving that work up to the next president.
Let’s see…do I support the liberation of Iraq? Well, seems like I have no choice seeing as how our invasion created the situation to begin with. As has been pointed out before, Iraq was not exactly a hotbed of terrorism. It’s kind of an unfair question considering I did not support the invasion to begin with.
As for supporting the war against al Qaeda, you bet. I wholeheartedly supported the unrelentless pursuit of bin Laden, and ONLY bin Laden, before embarking on any other full-scale efforts at rooting out terrorism, but President Decider disagrees with me and really doesn’t care about him.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:38 pmTundra,
I guess you missed my posts, Mr. broad brush.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:38 pmThe fascist left is very bitter over Zarqawi’s death.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:38 pmwasn’t meant for you, 278 – moron
June 8th, 2006 at 12:38 pmGOOD propaganda(shit spoonfed) for the right = Bad for AMERICA
June 8th, 2006 at 12:39 pmHi Santo.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:40 pmWe are beating a dead Zarqawi here, the left is not impressed, the Right thinks the left is mourning and can’t be happy with anything. I knew it before I came to TP today. Can we talk about something else now?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:42 pmActually, WC, you are incorrect when you say that Iraq was not a hotbed of terrorism before the liberation. If you review the 9/11 Commission Report as well as subsequent documents discovered in Iraq after liberation, you will see that Saddam’s intelligence agencies and Al Qaeda had numerous contacts and conferences…Now, I am sure you would agree that they were not meeting to exchange cake recipes. And in fact they did collaborate in operations against Saudi Arabia. Moreover, Saddam’s Iraq was a haven for terrorists, including Abu Nidal and Abu Abbasa, mastermind of the Achille Lauro hijacking.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:44 pmHa! Even Santo knows facists are far right.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:47 pmGood girl! Now go take a nap…
Post 288 > nobody trusts Bush on anything because he lies so much! Nobody has any idea if the Zarqawi guy ever existed, and if he was real is the dead guy him? Bush never allows independent coroners to examine any bodies, so how do we even know how the guy was killed? Perhaps the body has been kept wrapped in a freezer for a year? We are to trust the CIA experts who are now controlled by General Hayden a Bush lover stooge? This whole event sounds suspicious! And where is Osama anyways? > Bush does not show his dead body!
June 8th, 2006 at 12:51 pmSo, now there’s a fascist left to counter the fascist right?
I am not bitter, just sad. American policies created Zarqawi, then killed him. Others will rise in his place. Terrorism is like a multi-headed creature. When one head is cut off, two others grow in its place. It feeds on poverty and outrage against the extreme disparity of wealth. It grows stronger with each act of violence.
You cannot kill terrorism in a war. You have to eliminate its source: poverty and the extreme disparate distribution of wealth.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:51 pmRobert Fisk, who tethers at the edge of credibility for me because of his ignorance of 9/11 information, and because he contradicts himself, said on Democracy Now today that anyone who doubts that Al Zarqawi is dead is crazy, by implication, not quoted.
Then he later berated anyone who touts the administration line unquestioningly.
I don’t know or care about Al Zarqawi, just as I don’t care much about gay marriage. These are non-issues. On that point, I believe Fisk is hitting close to home.
It is time to stop Iraq, not begin Iran, and get about the job of righting all the wrongs that have occurred.
This begins with 9/11, an investigation of the original investigation; an investigation of possible US and Israeli complicity; the war in Iraq; trying our war criminals… Then and only then will the US have a shred of credibility in this far-better informed world.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:53 pmCan we talk about something else now?
Comment by For Truth
I would love to. What’s on your mind?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:54 pmRick #282, if you are going to generalize and insult people atleast get your terms correct. The left or liberals are considered socialist to communist depending on how exterme their ideals. The conservative right are the facsist nazis that have the country on the highway to hell.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:54 pmPost the links. I’ll review them and reply as soon as possible.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:55 pmCindy Sheehan and her fellow leftist nazis are planning a candle-light vigil for their friend, comrade, and brother-n-arms against Bush – Zarqawi
June 8th, 2006 at 12:55 pmU.S. military officials stating that al Zarqawi was betrayed by those closest to him would be highly classified info. Don’t ya think.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:56 pmThis whole story is suspect! as usual
Rick is like gay marriage…a non-issue. Ignore lies and obfuscation.
Ignore rick.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:56 pm…leftist nazis…
Comment by rick
You do persist in your ignorance, don’t you?
June 8th, 2006 at 12:57 pmmoral relativism is an amazing thing…
June 8th, 2006 at 12:57 pmGood- I’m glad Zarqawi is gone! This just proves how big a man and how great a leader Bush really is. Nobody parades the bodies of dead terrorists like Bush and Rummy. Nobody pulls the trigger like Bush and Rummy. They are true men and great patriots. This killing and swaggering makes my little soldier harder than rock!
You know, I’m starting to change my mind about the war in Iraq. Hell, if we can kill someone like Zarqawi with bombs, we should be able to bomb Iraq into a state of Democracy. Perhaps the war is not as big an abortion and as horrible mistake as I thought.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:58 pmYou see, the media will never begin to question how we can be so close to the inside… What are we doing with Zarqawi’s men?
Are Zarqawi’s men our men? To keep us in Iraq until the job is done for Israel and oil? To stir up shit and provide the basis of a baseless story meant to distract us from the very real talk of impeachment that is taking place in the real world?
Ah, that’s it.
June 8th, 2006 at 12:59 pmRick post 299 > shame on you > you are a pathetic Bush loving stooge > nobody on here cares anything about Zarqawi, but we have no idea who the dead guy is for real!
June 8th, 2006 at 12:59 pmHi Zookeeper,
Just a quick note on the bumper stickers:
I receive a catalog called Northern Sun. It’s great. That particular saying is available there in T-shirt form. (example of the T-shirts… picture of a budda sitting. Underneath it says,”What did the Buddist say to the hot dog vendor?”
June 8th, 2006 at 1:02 pmOn the back it says, “Make me one with everything.”) They have all kinds of “Progressive” things. http://www.northernsun.com
just an FYI.
Post 307 I assume your post is parady, but yes Bush lovers get hard-ons when Bush kills people > they love to hear about war deaths, but not fight in any wars!
June 8th, 2006 at 1:03 pmWars are for those whose mothers do not have beautiful minds surrounded on all sides by things which may bespoil them.
Truth is the bane of the powerful.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:05 pm#298…Here’s one to start (Not from the Commission Report, but a 1999 Washington Post article):
Richard Clarke linked Saddam and Bin Laden in 1999:
The Washington Post
January 23, 1999; Page A02
Embassy Attacks Thwarted, U.S. Says; Official Cites Gains
Against Bin Laden;
Clinton Seeks $10 Billion to Fight Terrorism
By Vernon Loeb
U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies have
prevented Osama bin
Laden’s extremist network from carrying out truck-bomb
attacks against at
least two American embassies since the bombings of U.S.
embassies in Kenya
and Tanzania more than five months ago, the Clinton
administration’s senior
counterterrorism official said yesterday.
…
Clarke declined to go into detail on U.S. counterterrorism
operations that
he believes preempted the planned truck bombings at
embassies in Africa and
the Middle East. He would not say which embassies had been
targeted,
although U.S. officials previously disclosed that they had
foiled an alleged
attempt by bin Laden associates to blow up the U.S. Embassy
in Uganda.
Clarke did provide new information in defense of Clinton’s
decision to fire
Tomahawk cruise missiles at the El Shifa pharmaceutical
plant in Khartoum,
Sudan, in retaliation for bin Laden’s role in the Aug. 7
embassy bombings.
While U.S. intelligence officials disclosed shortly after
the missile attack
that they had obtained a soil sample from the El Shifa site
that contained a
precursor of VX nerve gas, Clarke said that the U.S.
government is “sure”
that Iraqi nerve gas experts actually produced a powdered
VX-like substance
at the plant that, when mixed with bleach and water, would
have become fully
active VX nerve gas.
Clarke said U.S. intelligence does not know how much of the
substance was
produced at El Shifa or what happened to it. But he said
that intelligence
exists linking bin Laden to El Shifa’s current and past
operators, the Iraqi
nerve gas experts and the National Islamic Front in Sudan.
Given the evidence presented to the White House before the
June 8th, 2006 at 1:05 pmairstrike, Clarke
said, the president “would have been derelict in his duties
if he didn’t
blow up the facility.”
The media will have junior bush personally taking out Zarqawi with a butter knife.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:06 pmThen he’ll show his disgusting mug on fux newz and tell us how he was personally responsible for Zarqawi’s death with his bare hands and continue on about how it’s been ‘hard work’ for him destroying the ‘terrists’.
Santo, you said you were going to rest. I will be your kapo, but only if you leave TP for today and get some rest. Deal?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:07 pm#298…From the 9/11 Commission Report. There is a lot here. I’ll give you time to read what I’ve sent so far, and then we can pick this up some more:
Other intelligence sources said that some Taliban leaders, though not Mullah
Omar,
had urged Bin Ladin to go to Iraq. If Bin Ladin actually moved to Iraq,
wrote
Clarke, his network would be at Saddam Hussein’s service, and it would be
“virtually
impossible†to find him. Better to get Bin Ladin in Afghanistan, Clarke
declared.134
Berger suggested sending one U-2 flight,but Clarke opposed even
this. It would require Pakistani approval, he wrote; and “Pak[istan’s]
intel[ligence service] is in bed with†Bin Ladin and would warn him that the
United States was getting ready for a bombing campaign: “Armed with that
knowledge, old wily Usama will likely boogie to Baghdad.â€135 Though told
also
by Bruce Riedel of the NSC staff that Saddam Hussein wanted Bin Ladin in
Baghdad, Berger conditionally authorized a single U-2 flight.Allen meanwhile
had found other ways of getting the information he wanted. So the U-2 flight
never occurred
9/11 Report
June 8th, 2006 at 1:08 pmPost 120 lol > yes the Bush loving press will put Bush on a high horse to praise him, but Dubya is a dunce nobody what they claim!
June 8th, 2006 at 1:09 pmUnlike you I am saddened by all deaths, american, iraqi and even the poor schmoes like Zarqawi.
bthruth is pretty representative of the left. They are mourning Zarqawi. The left’s fascist sympathy for their fellow nazis knows no bounds.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:09 pmSorry..One more for now…This is short:
Saddam Hussein’s efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.74 In mid-1998,the situation reversed;it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative.In March 1998,after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence. In 1998, Iraq was under intensifying U.S. According to the reporting,Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:09 pmCorrection > no matter what they claim!
June 8th, 2006 at 1:10 pm#117 Paige, In my post #85 (at least is #85 for me now), I’m saying that I quote the post #85 of a poster nicknamed troll. I’m not quoting you in any form. I say that troll, who says he is a catholic theological, defends murder, and no honorable catholic nor christian defends killing people, good or evil. The vengeance is mine, said The Lord. And also said Thou shall not kill. It’s my point. I don’t want to quote you and I didn’t.
#121 troll: By the way loco “murder†is the unlawful killing of one human by another. This was lawful.. By the law of who? I’m saying that you infringe the law of God that says Thou shall not kill. I dare you to find a passage in the Bible that says Thou shall not kill illegally.
And, by the way, if you want to quote the definition of murder, quote the full definition:
1.- The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.
Uhm, killing 7 people with 2 bombs of 2500lb each sounds, to not risk the own soldiers as premedited malice.
Yet another definition:
2.- To kill brutally or inhumanly.
Oops. Nothing about law here. I fear you’re in dangerous terrain. It was murder.
See? We don’t even have entered in the legallity of the USA war in Iraq, and already we can define the action as murder.
Let’s continue the answering to your puny posts:
I see that you’ve searched the word mad/loco in a english-spanish dictionary, but, please, you begin to be boring, if the only name you can call me is loco.
I can resort to far more name calling to you without even open a dictionary: fool troll, stinky troll, ugly troll, republican, illiterate troll, dumb troll, crazy troll, thinfoil troll, flatearther troll, personally irresponsible troll… well, I’m getting tired, I know a lot more, but simply you don’t even deserve the effort.
And finally: no wonder the USA deficit has reached its level, if the USA military uses 2 2500lb bombs to kill only 7 people…
June 8th, 2006 at 1:10 pmSo what?
Zarqawi was a nobody before Bush invaded Iraq. He is an expert in making our little enemies big guys then if they are caught he calles it victory.
Why didn’t he killed him in Iraqi-Kurdistan before the war if he thought he was so damn important? Well, he would have lost one of his “smoking guns” to make the case for this war.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:10 pm#316 – Thanks, trueblue!! I love it! Zoo Jr is getting some new T-shirts, and I’m getting more bumperstickers from my POS car.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:10 pm“Unlike you I am saddened by all deaths, american, iraqi and even the poor schmoes like Zarqawi.”
Although I find it difficult to describe the man I think is supposed to have sawn and hacked off the head of the still-living Nicholas Berg as a “poor schmoe,” I have to follow you here. And I have to follow Nick Berg’s father, as well — instead of the people who exult that someone will never murder again because huh har huh we done murdered /him/ first. But I don’t know, maybe I am too quick to greet every statement by my “president” with revulsion.
Of course I /have/ worse impulses, revengeful, bloody, etc. I’d guess we all do. But the crux of being human is (I think) to at least try to fight those, not give in to them. Not make money and a career out of them.
I will now duck the cries of “bleeding heart.”
June 8th, 2006 at 1:12 pmHow’s the Yearly Kos going in Vegas?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:12 pmKarl Rove please send some better trolls in here to defend your Dubya Dunce Decider! Exley and rick are too pathetic to do a good job of defending him on TP threads > lol.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:13 pmnow he speaks for hitler
June 8th, 2006 at 1:14 pmZookeeper,
June 8th, 2006 at 1:14 pmIt’s something to do while the frothing Zarqawi talk is giong on…!
(Check out the “American Goth” t-shirt. It’s a riot!)
Well, I’ll be back. Have to go pick my mini-trueblue!
Exley-
Sudan is a country in Africa, Saddam is the deposed dictator of Iraq. The first item you posted, refrences Sudan. A common mistake among the right wing I have noticed. I corrected another psoter a few months ago on the same topic.
As for the second post, Taliban officials urging Osama to move to Iraq, does not prove a link between al qaeda and Saddam. Saddam may have wanted control of Al Qeada, but it appears that Osama was not going to relinquish his interest.
You have proved you are ignorant, anything else you would like to add?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:14 pm“better trolls”?
Better …? Hmm.
I think it is truly said, you can’t wash garbage.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:16 pmGoodday,
Normal people do not celebrate irrelevant deaths.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:16 pmZarqawi was just one of the many in Iraq who have been killing others.
And I doubt he was even the most effective.
Was the Rove indictment stopped by Gonzo?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:16 pmWas there a Rove indictment?
Hi Zoo, How are You today?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:18 pmKRAZNY –
Read the 1999 Washington Post article again. This time slowly:
While U.S. intelligence officials disclosed shortly after
the missile attack that they had obtained a soil sample from the El Shifa site
that contained a precursor of VX nerve gas, Clarke said that the U.S.
government is “sure†that Iraqi nerve gas experts actually produced a powdered
VX-like substance at the plant that, when mixed with bleach and water, would
have become fully active VX nerve gas.
Clarke said U.S. intelligence does not know how much of the
June 8th, 2006 at 1:18 pmsubstance was produced at El Shifa or what happened to it. But he said
that intelligence exists linking bin Laden to El Shifa’s current and past
operators, the Iraqi nerve gas experts and the National Islamic Front in Sudan.
I will be back later > keep bashing the Bush lover trolls everyone!
June 8th, 2006 at 1:18 pm#347 – Hi ForTruth, I’m absolutely fabulous — like always. You?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:19 pmI’ts frickin’ cold here. How about AZ?
i can’t wait to read krazny’s response. he is so smart
June 8th, 2006 at 1:20 pmGiven the evidence presented to the White House before the
airstrike, Clarke
said, the president “would have been derelict in his duties
if he didn’t
blow up the facility.â€
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @
Would that be the same (by now) inert VX that Bush used as justification for invasion of Iraq?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:21 pmThat is still iraqi agents, scientists, or expatriots working at a sudanese plant. It doesn’t prove a link between Saddam and Al Qaeda.
in response to you post about 2 al qeada agents meeting Saddam, also proves nothing. Hell before the afghan invasion members of the taliban government were in texas for a summit about an building an oil pipeline through afghanistan.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:21 pmWow..I really miss Jay Randal’s thoughful, well-documented, well-reasoned posts. Hurry back, Jay!
June 8th, 2006 at 1:21 pmWhy thank you Amy =)
June 8th, 2006 at 1:22 pmjay randal will be beack later.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:22 pmsince he comprises most of the identities on here…..well that should slow things down pretty good
Hey its all good, if the Repubs can turn things around, end the war, become effective in their jobs, get gas prices down, get more snow and cooler temps to my Town like in the 70’s, eliminate the debt, re-discover our Constitution, eliminate private campaign finance, re-structure lobbying, make nice-nice with our allies, learn how to talk to other countries, denounce PNAC. It would be great, and I would no longer have to complain.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:23 pmThe Bush administration is doing such a horrible as eveidence by the massive number of terrist attacks after 9/11. Oh wait, we haven’t had one.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:25 pmWell Zoo, where are You?
It’s beautiful here in lovely Flagstaff, AZ at 7000 feet in elevation. Most of AZ however, is too hot, have to stay in the mountains.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:26 pmClarke said that the U.S.
government is “sure†that Iraqi nerve gas experts actually produced a powdered
VX-like substance at the plant that, when mixed with bleach and water, would
have become fully active VX nerve gas.
Exley
Just as they were “sure” of the “drones of death?”
How about the yellowcake fantasy?
How about the “mobile weapons labs” they were so “sure” about?
You’ve been played for a sap.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:26 pmFor a good laugh at some funny t-shirts, check out
http://www.tshirthell.com/
not for the easily offended, and that is the only warning I will give.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:28 pmonthefence,
There are a bunch of very bad guys in the world.
And who killed more people? Bush or Zarqawi?
Bush.
Who made Zarqawi ont of the leaders of the insurgency?
Bush.
Without the invasion of Iraq there wouldn’t have been any insurgency and you wouldn’t even know the name Zarqawi.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:29 pm“Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and BinLadin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:31 pmAccording to the reporting, Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladindeclined, apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative. The reports describe friendly contacts
and indicate some common themes in both sides’ hatred of the United States.”
9/11 Commission Report
yankee is gringo
June 8th, 2006 at 1:32 pmExley, then how do you explain Clarke’s comments in 2004?
“There is absolutely no evidence that Iraq was supporting al Qaeda ever,” Clarke declared March 21 on CBS’ 60 Minutes.
And what he says in his book, Against All Enemies: Inside America’s War on Terror?
After all, if he is a reliable source to make your point about a link between Al Qeda and Iraq, is he not just as reliable to refute the same point?
and your excerpt from the 9/11 commission report points to more of a Bin Ladin/Pakistan connection than of a connection with Iraq.
Nice try, but you have to do better at your research.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:33 pmExley,
Collaboration? What kind of collaboration?
You lie. Bush suggested over and over again that if we don’t invade Iraq Saddam will give his nukes to al Qaeda and blow them up in New York.
Who are you trying to fool? That was Bush’s talking point. He linked Saddam and al Qaeda in a fashion which created the impression that they were working together to attack the US. Which was a big fat lie. Nothing like that ever happened.
And in his Top Gun speech he called Saddam and ally of al Qaeda, when bin Laden hated Saddam as much as he hated any secular regime in the Middle East. He was not Saddam’s ally.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:34 pm#358 – All we’d have left to complain about is the weather. ;)
#362 – I’m in beautiful downtown Moscow, Idaho, elevation around 2200(?) feet. The home of the University of Idaho. The second place I ever lived where there are no mountains around me, only the rolling hills of the Palouse — wheat, pea & lentil country. What is Flagstaff famous for — other than being the home of one of my bosses ex-wives? And the home of ForTruth?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:35 pmno one can explain clarke’s comments on anything
June 8th, 2006 at 1:35 pmWhich again proves nothing. A common theme of hating the US, does not prove a collabrative relationship. Now it is time for you to read.
Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and BinLadin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:36 pmRumsfield had contact with Saddam. Should we blow him up too?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pm#136
Even if bin Laden or al Zawahri is captured or killed tomorrow for you and others here it will still be a non issue and irrelevant, because like many have said in this thread, someone else will replace them.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pm329 – uhhh, they were 2 500 lb. bombs, not 2 2500 lb bombs. Not that it’ll change your mind.
So I see we are full of trolls and the angry today. Well, what else is new. Why bother though? It isn’t like any of us are going to change their teeny lil minds.
Me, I just prefer to talk amongs those who I want to and leave the chaff on the floor where it lays.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:37 pmgood one dlet. you are soooo smart. you showed em
June 8th, 2006 at 1:39 pmZookeeper,
I grew up in Seattle WA, currently live in Los Angeles CA. My wife and I wanted to move to Sandpoint Idaho, but the job took us elsewhere. We are heading back to the PNW as soon as we can though.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:39 pmAh…THANK YOU Briseadh na Faire … You have inadvertently shown why this new position Richard Clarke has staked out is unreliable and dishonest. As the 9/11 Commission Report showed, Clarke was convinced during the Clinton administration that Iraq and Al Qaeda were forming an alliance. It was only in 2004, when he had a book coming out and he was looking for a job with a possible Kerry administration (Clarke’s best friend Rand Beers was Kerry’s NSA) that he did a 180 degree turnabout and said that he didn’t believe there was any linkage between Iraq and Al Qaeda…In sum, when he worked for Bill Clinton, there was an Iraq-AQ link according to Clarke, but years laters, when he was out of government and trying to sell a book, he changes his mind.
Was he lying then or is he lying now?
June 8th, 2006 at 1:41 pmWell Exley,
Might be some truth to that, in the big Pic I feel there is no difference between Dems and Repubs, its all about the money and power, corporate interests, etc. One party could not survive without the other to scapegoat. Like Yin and Yang, bad and good. They need each other to define each other. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if my man Bill Clinton, who can successfully cruise chicks, was influenced by Saudi Oily Bohunks, (ie: Could have got Bin Laden, but didn’t)
June 8th, 2006 at 1:42 pmif his lips were moving….he was lying
June 8th, 2006 at 1:42 pmSanto needs to take the Seroquel today.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:43 pm#389 — at last a rational thought
June 8th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#142
Do YOU think the news about Al Zarqawi’s death is good or bad news? Please be direct and don’t dance.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:46 pmThanks Amy.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:47 pmonthefence,
There are a bunch of very bad guys in the world.
And who killed more people? Bush or Zarqawi?
Bush.
Who made Zarqawi ont of the leaders of the insurgency?
Bush.
Without the invasion of Iraq there wouldn’t have been any insurgency and you wouldn’t even know the name Zarqawi.
Comment by gringo — June 8, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
Again, what have I said in defense of Bush? The answer is nothing. What is your point, that it would be better if he were still around? I am not disagreeing with the facts as you laid them out but I don’t see what you’re trying to prove.
Many of us wish we could close our eyes and go back in time so that NONE of this would be happening, but we have to make the best of current shit sandwich we are eating.
As I stated earlier, I can’t recall the last news to come out of Iraq that was even the slightest bit positive until today. I’m not outside waving an American flag and organizing a ticker tape parade in NYC, all I’m saying is that this is a positive development – and for that I’ve been attacked pretty much all day.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:47 pm#388 – Thanks for joining the convresation, Krazny! I love Seattle so much, my sis lived there for a while and took me to lunch at the restaurant in the Space Needle. I almost tossed my cookies — the spinning, spinning…ugh. Good food though. Sandpoint is so lovely, Zoo Jr and I were up that way recently, enjoying the beautiful trees and scenery. (Zoo Jr is a talented photographer). The sooner you can get away from LA, the better — talk about a zoo!
June 8th, 2006 at 1:47 pmI am not #142 but, I will answer.
It is great news Tracy. One down, many more to go. I just don’t think that it should be made out to be as big as it is.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:48 pmMe, I just prefer to talk amongs those who I want to and leave the chaff on the floor where it lays.
Comment by kindness
I’ve been good today, haven’t even played whack-a-troll today.
Just reading and laughing at the silly trolls. Boy are they hyped up today.
**munches popcorn while watching the show**
June 8th, 2006 at 1:49 pm#395 – Santo will understand.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:49 pmExley,
al Qaeda in Iraq was not formed until October 18, 2004.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:50 pmThe republican dimwits are sooooooo desperate to get just ONE small thing right, you can bet they’re gonna milk this for all its worth.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:53 pmCalifornia is really pretty, as an amature photog myself, I love getting out to distant spots along the coast, and into the mojave desert to take pictures. Got some good shots of Big Sur, and Pebble beach when we drove the PCH up to Santa Cruz. A fantastic drive I might add. LA on the other hand is the puckered butthole of humanity. Too crowded everyone is rude etc. Once you get out of LA it gets better. I will be happy to get back to the northwest, saner up there.
ROFL about the space Needle, I worked there years ago. when I was lots younger.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:53 pmIts good the SOB is dead. Especially when you think about the beheadings he has commited.
Its also a moral booster for US military men and women fighting over their.
Its good for the Iraq security forces who are fighting for the majority of people who truly want freedom.
I am really happy he’s dead.
However, its far from over the proof is in the bombings today on the streets of Iraq.
And it doesn’t make why we went their right.
But the fact is we are in this and we have to see it through other wise Iraq will fall into a large scale civil war.
For the people trying to use this for politcal gain or I TOLD YOU SO’S. Shame on you!
For all of my brothers and sisters fighting and the Iraq people fighting for their new Government this is a good day. Salute those people and be happy for them.
A very evil POS caught what he deserved. I hope he is torn apart in hell over and over for eternity.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:57 pmExley,
Do you really think that the 9/11 commission would publish the fact that we supported al Qaeda in public, right after they attacked the US? Come on, get real. If it is true, it wouldn’t be published.
June 8th, 2006 at 1:58 pm#189
Where are you getting your information from? It was 2-500lb GBU-12 laser guided bombs. Don’t you know anything about ballistics?
June 8th, 2006 at 2:00 pm#411 – I could drive the PCH up and down the rest of my life and be so happy. I’d continue up the Oregon and Washington coasts, too. I was born in the desert at 29 Palms — my daddy was a Marine at the time. Not a big fan of the high desert, but I love the Joshua trees — greatest pics, ever.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:02 pmbtruthfui…Um, how exactly was I “burned?” By citing that portion the 9/11 Commission Report that completely undermines your now-discredited claim that the U.S. “supported Al Qaeda” against the Russians???? Is that how I was burned????
Heh! You’re not doing very well today, are you? The facts are against you.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:05 pmIt was 2-500lb GBU-12 laser guided bombs.
Does it really matter whether you run someone over with a van or a truck? You ran them over. That’s the point.
Don’t you know anything about ballistics?
Comment by Tracy — June 8, 2006 @ 2:00 pm
No, unlike you, I have peaceful interests.
Like it’s irrational to not be an expert on weaponry? Shoe’s on the wrong foot again…
June 8th, 2006 at 2:07 pm#330 – “Zarqawi was a nobody before Bush invaded Iraq.” Comment by gringo
******Wrong gringo – The murdering barbarian had done jail time – but why bother with facts when bashing Bush is SOOOO much fun!!!
***SYMPATHY ALERT***Progs why empathize with Barbaians, PLEASE accept my sincere condolences. My rejoicing at hearing of the death of a murderous, vicious barbarian Zarqawi will no doubt offend the “enemy-sensitive” among you. I am thrilled he was dispatched to hell – and hope innocent victims of his murderous attacks find a bit of comfort. My heartiest congratulation to Prime Minister Maliki on the finalization of his cabinet!!! More GOOD news!!!! Who knew???
June 8th, 2006 at 2:08 pmWell, this has been fun, kiddies..I hope you all learned a little something and that I have encouraged you all to do a better job in learning the facts. Otherwise, you are going to keep making the same mistakes over and over again.
Now if you will excuse me, I am going out to toast the execution of Zarqawi. As I said, this is a great day for American and the Iraqi people.
See ya!
June 8th, 2006 at 2:08 pmZookeeper
June 8th, 2006 at 2:14 pmnever been on the Pacific Coast Highway
whats your point?
Now if you will excuse me, I am going out to toast the execution of Zarqawi. As I said, this is a great day for American and the Iraqi people.
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 2:08 pm
Translation: “I need to go outside any cry like a child now because I have been bested.”
June 8th, 2006 at 2:14 pmSanto;are you Italian or Spanish?
June 8th, 2006 at 2:14 pmWhat is Flagstaff famous for —
June 8th, 2006 at 2:14 pmcomment by Zookeeper
…ummmm, I saw “A Fish Called Wanda” there in 1988 when I went cross-country?…does that count?! ;)
I am tired of hearing that Zarq was one of America’s deadliest enemies. Not really the guy had the ability to project power over a realitvely small area. Was he ruthless? Yes, Is it good that he is dead? Yes. Did he have any chance of ever overthrowing America? Hell No!. Not unless you count the right wing reactionary wingnuts who use every car bomb and Al Queda video as a springboard to eliminating freedoms here.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:14 pmNow, why would Saddam Jail a friend? That doesn’t add up.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:16 pm#115 onthefence
June 8th, 2006 at 2:17 pmIndeed, Bush&Co have made my ordinarily optimistic self extremely cynical.
Perhaps if more people were cynical in 2002-2003, we wouldn’t be in Iraq today.
#213
So that was your vision to leave Sadamm in power and the let his sons reign another 30+ years with absolutely no hope for the Iraqis electing their own leader(s)?
June 8th, 2006 at 2:17 pm#415 Were the bombs MAU-157 Series (Paveway l) or MAU-169 Series (Paveway II)?
Sorry, but if you don’t say the model, you’re omitting very important information. Don’t you know anything about ballistics?
Now, go Google (c) the model used, you trollette.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:18 pmReports from U.S. military officials indicate Zarqawi was exposed by those closest to him, suggesting an internal power struggle. Gen. George W. Casey, the top U.S. military commander in Iraq said, “Tips and intelligence from Iraqi senior leaders from his network led forces to al-Zarqawi and some of his associates who were conducting a meeting … when the air strike was launched.â€
Looks like the repugs aren’t the only ones who throw those they find no longer uneful under thw bus…..(or Bomb)
June 8th, 2006 at 2:18 pmI haven’t posted anything from Wilipedia. If you read post number 392, you will see, that it comes from CNN.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:18 pmWell, I guess the war’s over. On another note:
Is Katherine Harris’ joke of a Senate bid more important than the theft of millions of our troops’ personal records?
The New York Times thinks so.
Get the skinny here:
http://www.mediabloodhound.com
June 8th, 2006 at 2:19 pm#401 – “Just reading and laughing at the silly trolls. Boy are they hyped up today.
**munches popcorn while watching the show**” – More brilliance from Wayne
*****Gosh Wayne, GREAT way to put the Zarqawi “situation” into perspective!!! Did I ever tell you how thrilled I am that you aren’t watching my back??? But, yes, we ARE hyped today – THIS is the DEFEAT of a vicious enemy – and we are THRILLED!
June 8th, 2006 at 2:20 pmHi Spudge,
It’s just Santo being, well, Santo.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:21 pmSo that was your vision to leave Sadamm in power and the let his sons reign another 30+ years with absolutely no hope for the Iraqis electing their own leader(s)?
Comment by Tracy — June 8, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
I think it was THEIR choice – not ours. You didn’t see them starting a Revolution did you?
Besides, there were other countries to help out of crises far worse than Iraq – where they are rebelling against their systems. Why was Iraq more deserving?
June 8th, 2006 at 2:21 pm#415. How would knowledge or ignorance of ballistics relate to comment 189?
June 8th, 2006 at 2:23 pmmighty aphrodite,
Killin Zarqawi is a good thing. We need less terrorists, but you know this guy is nowhere near as important as bin Laden and Zwahiri. This guy was a Captain, not a General.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:24 pm#442, there are lots of thugs in power int he world, and we frequently support them when they are our thugs. For Instance look to the south of Iraq. Or look bac k in time 30 years to the east of Iraq. Sadaam being in power had no bearing whatsoever on the security of the US. The only effect he had was to assist in the draining of our treausry while we made sure his militarily ancient airforce did not fly and his militarily ancient, undemanned, il-equiped poorly trained army stayed home. Oh yes and he provided a nice scapegoat for the PNAC to build a case for a permanent presence in the mid east for our military.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:24 pm#216
“Oh yea. 100,000 dead Iraqi’s, 2500 Dead Americans, 18,000 Americans Bloodied and Cleaved, 500 Billion dollars, and in the end, IF Iraq is stable, it’ll all be so worth it.”
“That will sure help me sleep at night, knowing that a tiny country in the middle east, with no Navy and No Long Range Air Force is “stableâ€.”
I understand completely from these two comments above that you don’t care about the Iraqi people…AT ALL. Do you think saving the French and the British back in WW2 was worth it? Maybe only white Europeans are worth fighting for…in your warped mind.
“Course, I might point out they were stable BEFORE we went in.”
LOL!!! Ruled by Saddam…stable? Under sanctions…stable? Yeah real stable with absolutely no hope to get out from under Saddam’s boot! KI guess “stability” in your mind is people ruled by a dictator and no freedom.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:26 pmI never said “I don’t” I said “I didn’t” Do you know the difference?
OR!!!!! IS THAT !!!!! TOO HARD FOR YOUR OLD TIRED ASS !!!!! TO FIGURE OUT!!!!!??!?!???!!
June 8th, 2006 at 2:26 pm#436 – Krazny & ForTruth and I are having a discussion of our own. You may join if you have something completely off topic to contribute.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:27 pm#433,
this thread was pretty much lost, zoo and I were talking about the different places we have been, and where we would like to be. If you haven’t driven the PCH I would suggest doing so if you can. One of the greatest drives in the US.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:29 pm#439 – It counts, trueblue! Join the conversation!
June 8th, 2006 at 2:29 pm#456 Oh, I see, you define stable as being bombed by USA aircrafts, now Iraq is far more stable than under Saddam…
June 8th, 2006 at 2:30 pmYEA!
June 8th, 2006 at 2:30 pmA new thread on TP!
Anyone else sick of Zarqawi talk, let’s go talk about the cervical cancer vaccine!
#466 – See ya there. Cool.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:32 pm448
unmighty aphid,read my comments at 332, try to respond to that.
Thats all the response your silly, idiotic response will get from me.
When you grow a real brain, then I will debate facts with you.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:34 pmAl Zarqawi dead is a good thing. I think we all agree on that.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:36 pmHowever, isn’t this the same guy that two weeks ago was mocked by our government as being inept = clumsy with a rifle, and wearing New Balance sneakers. Haven’t they told us repeatedly in the last year that he was demoted, and that he had been marginalized?
Today, we are told he was the worst of the worst, second only to OBL (shhh, don’t mention his name).
We have been fed so much bull hockey from Bush&Co, I don’t think I can believe anything they tell me on face value.
For instance, I see his head – has anyone seen his body? There were many beheaded bodies found last week.
In the not so distant past I would not have been so skeptical of the White House, but I have been lied to too many times, political machinations have been applied too many times, the MSM has proven themselves to be in bed with the White House too often, so I am left with doubts and suspicions.
My country’s leadership has no integrity or credibility and the effect it has had on the nation, the world, and to my own personal thought process is what they cavalierly say is simply more “collateral damage.”
Sponge – I agree that sending bin Ladin and “DR” Zawahiri to join Zarqawi in hell will close another diabolical trinity. But then viewers of CNN this morning were treated to a wet blanket named John Murtha. Sure, he offered his “congrats” – but the FIRST thing he reiterated was the $$$ cost…and then he mentioned 2400 dead soldiers. Remember, when they say it’s NOT about the money – it’s about the money!
But for our military and the innocent Iraqi and foreign civilians (who were being savaged) in Iraq, Jordan, etc. THIS is a WONDERFUL DAY! As I instructed my brother – “Please pass along the heartiest congratulations of the Aphrodite Family, to your brothers in arms – GOOD SHOT!!!”
June 8th, 2006 at 2:38 pmSponge – Saddam didn’t jail him – the former King of Jordan imprisoned the now dead Zarqawi for threatening to over throw the Kingdom and behead members of the royal family.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:44 pmthe former King of Jordan imprisoned the now dead Zarqawi
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 8, 2006 @ 2:44 pm
Proper English is paramount to being a functional attorney (not just a good one, but one at all).
I’m sure you won’t get your faux pas. You never do.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:49 pmmighty showed up for another pro war thread, hmmm…
June 8th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#233
“But if you want to get technical, you can’t call this a war without a formal declaration of war from Congress.”
I am not the one who called in an illegal “war”…you did.
“This is obviously some new definition of democratic political change. Most people view this as military political change.”
Throughout history most political change was preceeded by military action.
“Some of us believe change can happen culturally and politically.”
If you think that was going to possibly happen in Iraq with Saddam and his sons in Iraq then you already left the reservation along time ago. Militarily was the only way Saddam was going to be removed. BTW the man today still thinks he is president of Iraq.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:54 pmAnd the saddest part is that after all this. There are some Iraqis that want him back. And not just the insurgenst and terrorists. Sad really.
June 8th, 2006 at 2:58 pm#456-
This is nothing like “saving the French and British” back in WW2, and you know it. This was a war of choice that we brought to an enemy that had not attacked us, nor any of our allies. Yes, Saddam, like Zarqawi, and like Hitler, was a wholly despicable human being, but the analogy ends there.
Nor are the results in anyway similar. If this was really like WW2, then three years after our invasion, the Iraqi people would have:
June 8th, 2006 at 2:59 pmo more than 4 hours/day electricity
o potable drinking water
o a stable government
and quite possibly, most importantly:
o no more shots fired in anger
#463 – “Anyone else sick of Zarqawi talk, let’s go talk about the cervical cancer vaccine!” – Comment by trueblue
****Dear Truebruise – I sympathize – it must be EXTREMEMLY upsetting that any GOOD news in this war has emerged in the MSM since Saddam was captured and his vile spawn were killed. But to get your minds off the “feel good” news of the day, you might try:
a.) hold a Trivial Pursuit Vulgarity contest – I’ll give you the first question:
Name the first widely released movie in which open vulgarity of using the “F” word was introduced?
b.) How old would Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix and John Belushi be if drug overdoses had not interrupted their lives?
c.) Which oft-published, black-listed Communist wrote the fascinating novel on a fictional abortion trial, “The Trial of Abbigail Goodman”?
**Hopefully, conservatives can ease some of the boredom progs might be experiencing…..
June 8th, 2006 at 3:10 pmrandi rhodes does her homework
June 8th, 2006 at 3:16 pmlots of links…
FLASHBACK: U.S. killed plans to take out al-Zarqawi three separate times
hmmm…
#423
I didn’t ask you if you knew anything about ballistics. The comment was made that 2 2,000 bombs were used and the poster was wondering why al Zarqawi was still in one piece. Knowing something about ballistics would have answered his/her own question.
“Like it’s irrational to not be an expert on weaponry?”
When someone asks an irrational question it would have helped.
June 8th, 2006 at 3:17 pmThe comment was made that 2 2,000 bombs were used and the poster was wondering why al Zarqawi was still in one piece. Knowing something about ballistics would have answered his/her own question.
Comment by Tracy — June 8, 2006 @ 3:17 pm
I don’t think you can expect that to be mainstream knowledge.
Besides, they find whole bodies in all kinds of destruction rubble – sometimes just a matter of location to the impact and the built environment that person was housed within.
June 8th, 2006 at 3:27 pmLet’s take a look at things from another perspective, shall we?
Not too long ago we had two events in which hostages were rescued from their captors in Iraq. In the first event, it was 3 members of the aid group Christian Peacemaker Teams. Good news, right? Well, not from the extreme rightwing idiots at redstate.org who would rather see the 3 guys remain hostages because of their political views (i.e. they were against the war).
And then we have the second event…journalist Jill Carroll from the Christian Science Monitor who was released by her captors. Good news, right? Well, maybe…maybe not. There was a select group of rightwingers and others who would rather focus on her behavior and state of mind while she was being held captive.
Headlines and other quotes from ThinkProgress after she was released:
Imus Exec. Producer: “Taliban Jill†Is “Wearing Terrorist Headgear†And “Carrying Zarqawi’s Baby.â€
And…
Imus Executive Producer: Carroll is “The Kind of Woman Who Would Wear One of Those Suicide Vests, Sneak Into the Green Zoneâ€
And…
Right-wing author and blogger Orrin Judd says Carroll’s comments prove “she was a willing participant†in her own kidnapping.
And…
From John Podhoretz: It’s wonderful that she’s free, but after watching someone who was a hostage for three months say on television she was well-treated because she wasn’t beaten or killed — while being dressed in the garb of a modest Muslim woman rather than the non-Muslim woman she actually is — I expect there will be some Stockholm Syndrome talk in the coming days.
Yes…all of you rightwing trolls are so pure and innocent when it comes to celebrating good news.
Now, I want each and every one of the trolls here who are making the charge that the liberals are unhappy over Zarqawi’s death to prove it. Look over all the comments here (currently 474 of them as I write this) and point me to them. I don’t want any of this pansy “You say one thing but mean another” crap to back up your assertion.
June 8th, 2006 at 3:39 pm“Throughout history most political change was preceeded by military action.”
Comment by Tracy — June 8, 2006 @ 2:54 pm
Since you have put yourself forward as someone who “knows history”, can you show an historical example of democracy successfully being imposed upon a country by an invading force? Just one.
June 8th, 2006 at 3:57 pmRemember: successfully.
#115 onthefence
Indeed, Bush&Co have made my ordinarily optimistic self extremely cynical.
Perhaps if more people were cynical in 2002-2003, we wouldn’t be in Iraq today.
Comment by Marie — June 8, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
Maybe I’m just having trouble divesting myself of the smallest bit of faith that I still have in our government. When I was growing up, never in my life did I ever think I would live through days like these – where we, the Americans, are considered to be the bad guys in many parts of the world.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:03 pmI remember when the conservatives ridiculed Kerry for saying fighting terrorism was primarily a police action.
The Canadians certainly put the lie to that. And don’t forget civilian law enforcement caught the WTC bombers and caught and thwarted the LAX Millenium Plot (after Clinton’s DOJ sent out alerts — FAR more than Bush ever did before 9/11 when given information that Bin Laden was looking to strike America using jetliners).
Neocon trolls are basically stupid people. I’m sorry to say it, but there it is. It’s inescapable.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:05 pm#491 “Maybe I’m just having trouble divesting myself of the smallest bit of faith that I still have in our government”
That’s understandable when the people running the government aren’t actually interested in using it to do good works.
They’re pretty good at making enemies foreign and domestic and a shitload of money for a select group of already fortunate, well-connected people, though.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:08 pm#488 Barfly…What about post-World War II Japan?
June 8th, 2006 at 4:20 pmActually, WC, you are incorrect when you say that Iraq was not a hotbed of terrorism before the liberation. If you review the 9/11 Commission Report as well as subsequent documents discovered in Iraq after liberation, you will see that Saddam’s intelligence agencies and Al Qaeda had numerous contacts and conferences…Now, I am sure you would agree that they were not meeting to exchange cake recipes. And in fact they did collaborate in operations against Saudi Arabia. Moreover, Saddam’s Iraq was a haven for terrorists, including Abu Nidal and Abu Abbasa, mastermind of the Achille Lauro hijacking.
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 12:44 pm
I see that while I was away, others addressed the link between al Qaeda and Saddam.
As for the hotbed of terrorism claim, I don’t recall that being one of the many reasons we invaded. Hell, it wasn’t even the main reason. True, Bush wanted to get him for “supporting terrorism.” But as you know, Bush’s reasons kept changing as time went on, when one reason was losing support with the American people (despite the fact that the administration kept saying all along that a majority of Americans supported the Iraq war…where did they get this? From polls that they don’t pay attention to? I guess that’s why Bush had to keep going on trips across the country to convince Americans to fight a war that they already supported).
TP posted the ever-changing mission about a year ago. I’ve linked to it below. Reading through it I count 6 reasons for our mission:
- Disarmament
- Ending support for terrorism
- Free the Iraqi people
- Protect Iraq’s neighbors and the world
- Develop a free Iraq
- Train Iraqi troops
Funny…I don’t equate “ending support for terrorism” to “hotbed of terrorism” or even “ridding Iraq of the influx of terrorists after 9/11″; I don’t recall any concerns from the administration indicating terrorists from around the world were pouring across Iraq’s borders prior to our invasion. Maybe you do. Post some links if you have them.
(Source:
June 8th, 2006 at 4:22 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/2005/06/21/the-changing-definition-of-mission-in-iraq/)
Neocon trolls are basically stupid people. I’m sorry to say it, but there it is. It’s inescapable.
Comment by ElectricBassPlayer — June 8, 2006 @ 4:05 pm
I don’t know if a lack of using logic makes them incapable of understanding anything said logically, or if they are in such extreme denial that they don’t really listen… I find most of them twist anything you say into a diversion from the fact that you’re right because they cannot process information in the same way that the liberal (exercized) mind does without a lot of effort. To us the logical solution or answer is usually the most obvious one. With them, I guess like most things you don’t use – they wither down to nothing. Should just call the neo-con brain the second appendix…
June 8th, 2006 at 4:26 pm#495 — So, you admit that Japan was a military dictatorship in World War II and the decades beforehand and became a democracy after its defeat by the U.S. in 1945????
Barfly asked:
“can you show an historical example of democracy successfully being imposed upon a country by an invading force? Just one.”
Looks like I just answered Barfly’s question.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:40 pmwow – thanks for that, aphro #480 – that sound like a good read (check you spelling though):
Trial Of Abigail Goodman by Howard Fast
Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
The veteran author of some 50 books ( Citizen Tom Paine ; The Immigrants , etc.) stays up to date in a fast-paced, often electrifying novel dramatizing the abortion controversy. Sometime in the near future, Abigail Goodman, feminist history professor in a sleepy Southern town and 41-year-old mother of two, finds herself unexpectedly pregnant; she decides, with her husband’s approval, to have an abortion. Shortly thereafter, she is indicted under a new state law that retroactively makes abortion after the first trimester an act of murder punishable by death. Fast is a master of courtroom pyrotechnics, and sparks fly when the defense team grills the ambitious DA’s star witnesses: a Catholic bishop, a Hasidic rabbi and an obstetrician who once performed abortions. Though the sensational trial gives full play to both sides, the author’s sympathies obviously lie with his forthright, brave and nervous heroine, who views the law as a weapon in men’s campaign to subjugate women. Fast intersperses the main narrative with dispatches from U.S. and foreign journalists’ coverage of the trial and attendant redneck violence which, if not always realistic, do provide a global perspective on what he sees as America’s parochial attitude toward abortion.
Copyright 1993 Reed Business Information, Inc.
From Kirkus Reviews
June 8th, 2006 at 4:40 pmThat robustly persistent booster of the cause of civil liberties and the brotherhood of man, and author of over 80 published works (most recently, Being Red, 1990), now takes on the cause of women’s rights–specifically the right to choose abortion- -and produces a lively courtroom drama…
The question raised here remains–whether the fierce anti- abortion movement is more angry for the sake of the unborn or at the emancipation of women. Fast, in any event, is donating profits from the book to Planned Parenthood. — Copyright ©1993, Kirkus Associates, LP. All rights reserved.
“I am not the one who called in an illegal “warâ€â€¦you did.”
No I did not. Pope John Paul II did. And my point is not the legality, my point is that you are calling it a war, despite the lack of a formal declaration by Congress. Authorization to use force is not the same as declaration of war.
“Throughout history most political change was preceeded by military action.”
Military action won by indigenous people, not an invading army. You may find a few examples of a foreign occupation force leading to real democracy, but they are a tiny minority. You may be thinking of instances where people of a country fight for their own freedom, like 1776, or fight with the help of allies, like WWII. There are also many examples of the kind of political change we want without military action, in Eastern Europe and South and Central America. Historically, the path you want Iraq to take is the exception, not the rule.
“If you think that was going to possibly happen in Iraq with Saddam and his sons in Iraq then you already left the reservation along time ago.”
I actually don’t think that. I think more moderate countries in the region can enact social change within themselves (with political and economic encouragement) and as they enjoy the benefits democracy could spread by example throughout the mideast, but a historic dicatorship like Iraq would be the last to change, not the first. Bush is doing it bass-ackward. Nobody wants to follow Iraq’s example now — strike one more justification for this police action.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:52 pm#444
Since the planes that dropped them were F-16Cs they were just what I said GBU-12 500 lb. Paveway II laser guided bombs. The MAU-169 Series CCG for Paveway II is obviously newer than the MAU-157 for Paveway I. Infact the MAU-157 isn’t even in service with the USAF anymore. Whether or not I mentioned either CCG is irrelevant considering one is not even in service today.
June 8th, 2006 at 4:54 pm“So, you admit that Japan was a military dictatorship in World War II and the decades beforehand and became a democracy after its defeat by the U.S. in 1945????”
Do you want to drop two atomic bombs on Iraq, level every major city and industrial complex, and wipe out half the population? If that’s your historic precedent…
June 8th, 2006 at 4:54 pm#480. I don’t know enough about ballistics to understand why Zarqawa is so clean-looking and all in one piece. Can you explain?
June 8th, 2006 at 4:55 pmA suggestion:
I suggest everyone in the U.S. must get into Two Camps, and on some issues, we all most universally be in One Camp (I’d prefere we were all in one camp, but that stopped around Jan. of ‘02, so I’ll allow two ’cause I’m fair)
CAMP I
- I strongly support the War on Terror, but I do not see Iraq as an intregal part of this War on Terror, except after we invaded it. I totally suppor the United States, our troops, and though I disagree with President Bush he is our duly elected leader and I will support him in war time.
CAMP II
- I totally support President Bush as he leads our nation during war and a prosperous economy at home
CAMP III (All MUST agree)
- We are all American’s first, and any nation or group or person who supports Islamic Radicalism is an enemy of my country, and thus an enemy of mine.
- The killing of Zarqauwi is a great thing, and though we may disagree on the degrees in which this hurts Al Qaeda, it hurts Al Qaeda nonetheless
- People who believe that either 9-11 was an American or Israeli conspiracy are beyond delusional and a danger to our society
-People who use the tragedy of a loved one at the hands of these lethal Islamists beasts to further their radical left-wing, treasonous beliefs are a scourage on this nation.
So saeth me!
June 8th, 2006 at 5:02 pm# 325 Exley. You are very well documented. Good. Now, could you be really informed? By the way, yes, my english sucks. Hows your spanish or russian?
June 8th, 2006 at 5:07 pmMr 501 — Obviosuly, and the military said this, they cleaned him up, removed the blood so he is recognizable by the Muslims who believe absolutely nothing the West says because they are so demented and delusional — “wait, is that a cartoon?Kill everyone!” Additionally, you only see his face as opposed to the full body like Uday and Qausi (or Zeppo, or Chico, or whatever their names were). There is a good chance half his body was blown apart.
Do I detect some conspiratorial rumblings in your post?
June 8th, 2006 at 5:08 pm#503…Juan C… Can’t speak either. I am very impressed with people who are multi-lingual. If you can speak English, Russian, and Spanish, I tip my hat to you.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:12 pmPost 103 Terrence > screw off you stupid Bush lover > you are the delusional one on here > lol.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:14 pm#502,
I am thinking Camp #2 is going to have a pretty low population at this point.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:19 pmPost 503 I mean lol > left off the 5 and said 103!
June 8th, 2006 at 5:27 pmLooks like I just answered Barfly’s question.
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006
Bullshit. They attacked us first. Remember Pearl Harbor?
June 8th, 2006 at 5:27 pm“Invading” means it was the first aggression, idiot. We were stopping a war THEY started (the Axis powers); not the same with Iraq. So you couldn’t come up with a valid example – big surprise.
Your sense is humor is on par with your knowledge of foreign affairs and history.
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 5:26 pm
And yours? Still waiting perfesser.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:29 pm“We are all American’s first, and any nation or group or person who supports Islamic Radicalism is an enemy of my country, and thus an enemy of mine.”
Real Americans believe in freedom of religion, we don’t care if you’re radical Islam, Satanic, or Druid. Now if you’re against killing innocent people, I’m with you. But I don’t care what religion or cause they’re killing for. To me, the killing is more important than the ideology.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:31 pmBarfly…Oh really? And the terrorists didn’t attack us first on 9/11 by killing 3,000 people????
Yeah, I guess you’re right..There is a BIG difference between the Axis starting a war against us by bombing Pearl Harbor and the Islamo-fascists starting a war with us on 9/11….
Heh! Please people..THINK THINGS OUT before you post them! You people are really embarassing yourselves.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:32 pmBarfly…Oh really? And the terrorists didn’t attack us first on 9/11 by killing 3,000 people????
Yeah, I guess you’re right..There is a BIG difference between the Axis starting a war against us by bombing Pearl Harbor and the Islamo-fascists starting a war with us on 9/11….
Heh! Please people..THINK THINGS OUT before you post them! You people are really embarassing yourselves.
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 5:32 pm
Still no link to Saddam on 9/11, or a valid example from you. Right back atcha … (I can smell the flop sweat from here)
June 8th, 2006 at 5:36 pmThe fascist left is very bitter over Zarqawi’s death.
Comment by rick — June 8, 2006 @ 12:38 pm
Yea? Well when are we going to see your mug on a photo like that with your eyes closed?
I promise not to be bitter when we do.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:38 pmAnd Exley, it’s also not a valid example, because I said “successfully,” remember? (I told you to, But I guess you forgot.) the jury’s still out on this little neo-con wet dream.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:41 pm#504. Please read post 480. Tracy has a explanation that differs from yours…somehow related to ballistics, which I don’t understand. Your conspiracy rumbling detector might be broken – or, maybe it just needs adjustment.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:42 pmLast post referring to your Iraq example, of course, Exley.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:43 pm# 523 Exley. I know what I am about to tell you, which you must have read or listened somewhere else, is going to affect you. But, US blew their own WTC. Wake up.
Lets see? How much money (including people in WTC) costs the towers and the whole operation??? 50 billion dollars? Ok. How much money is under IRak (Afghanistan is a key geographical position)? 20 or more times that, that US can suck up during 15 years from now on.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:44 pm#523. That’s brilliant. Not the Zarqawi mug on a photo. The Zarqawi photo on a mug!
June 8th, 2006 at 5:45 pmHeh! Please people..THINK THINGS OUT before you post them! You people are really embarassing yourselves.
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 5:32 pm
Says the guy who thinks 9/11 was an attack on the U.S. by Iraq… I’ll be laughing for a few minutes here before I can type further…
June 8th, 2006 at 5:46 pmI’ll check back, maybe if I let you google a while, you’ll come up with a valid example – or not.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:46 pmBarfly…Oh really? And the terrorists didn’t attack us first on 9/11 by killing 3,000 people????
Comment by Exley — June 8, 2006 @ 5:32 pm
Okay lets talk historical context. middle eastern dislike of christianity has been around since the crusades. Want some fun read up on atrocities commited by both sides in those conflicts.
middle eastern dislike of western culture was heightened after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, and establishment of Europeon colonialization of North Africa, and the Middle east. Why do you think the country of Iraq has Kurds, Sunnis, and shiites all mixed together?
Middle eastern hatred was cemented after WWII with the establishment of Isreal, and displacement of Palistineans. Further more inflaming middle easterners, was overthrowing an elected government in Iran, and replacing that government with a pro-US dictator. Add into the mix the need to maintain control of the areas natural resources, you have a perfect flash point for violence.
Exley Osama bin laden didn’t just wake up one morning and decide to attack the US. I don’t think the attack on the world trade center was justified, but there is so much more to this then an us good them bad, black and white situation.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:48 pm#519 Iraq did not attack us on 9/11. That would be like the U.S. imposing democracy on China after WWII.
And if you want to use the model of occupied Japan, we’re two a-bombs and several million dead to go before we get to that point. Be careful what you advocate.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:50 pm#497 – Dear Katy – Thank you for correcting my spelling error. (I was TOO well bred to correct your error – in addition, I REALIZE PEOPLE are typing quickly and do not always have the time to proof-read.)
Your welcome, for the suggested reading selection – I knew it would be right up your alley.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:54 pm#450
“I think it was THEIR choice – not ours.”
They had NO choice! Remember Saddam didn’t come to power in Iraq through elected and peaceful means. Look at your history books.
“You didn’t see them starting a Revolution did you?”
They tried back in 1991 and got slaughtered for it no thanks to us unfortunately. Again read your history books. Saddam ruled with such an iron fist where political opposition murdering was common place. He didn’t even give the opposition a chance before he had them arrested or killed. The Iraqi National Congress (the ones who led the rebellion in 1991) operated out of northern Iraq during the 1990s and could do so thanks to the patrols in the no-fly-zones.
“Why was Iraq more deserving?”
They weren’t but since we (the U.S.) get involved in every country’s affairs, Iraq with it strategic location in the Middle East has the best chance for democratic principles spreading to neighboring countries.
June 8th, 2006 at 5:55 pmUm sorta like Bush? He screws everything up that he touches, but somehow he is an all powerful evil mastermind?
I know I know. He’s the dumbass in front. Cheney/Rummy/Wolfy/Kristol/Pearle and that crowd are the real evil “geniuses.”
June 8th, 2006 at 6:02 pm“I think it was THEIR choice – not ours.â€
They had NO choice! Remember Saddam didn’t come to power in Iraq through elected and peaceful means. Look at your history books.
Neither did the King of england ..that didnt stop Americans.
They weren’t but since we (the U.S.) get involved in every country’s affairs, Iraq with it strategic location in the Middle East has the best chance for democratic principles spreading to neighboring countries.
Comment by Tracy
Bullshit … PNAC had this planed out from the 90s at least and they were not talking it up for the well being of Iraqis… why dont YOU read up on MODERN history alittle.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:03 pmDear b-lying, I knew the “alley” comment would fly over your head. If you would avail yourself to your self-described patience you might note that I did not veer off thread until a certain cynical progressive expressed boredom. But to your prog credit, you’ve never been one to be confused by facts….
Must be running.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:13 pmThey had NO choice! Remember Saddam didn’t come to power in Iraq through elected and peaceful means. Look at your history books.
There is always a choice. Choices and consequences. It’s usually the fear of the consequences that make people tolerate a situation and say that they have no choice.
They tried back in 1991 and got slaughtered for it no thanks to us unfortunately.
Not really. Some of them took the advice of King George the I and tried to overthrow the government. Was not a Revolution. Hug difference.
Again read your history books.
I have. Seems we have different history books. Yours was probably written by someone like Bill O’Reilly who thinks Columbus was a brave and generous man…
Saddam ruled with such an iron fist where political opposition murdering was common place. He didn’t even give the opposition a chance before he had them arrested or killed. The Iraqi National Congress (the ones who led the rebellion in 1991) operated out of northern Iraq during the 1990s and could do so thanks to the patrols in the no-fly-zones.
In that part of the world, you have to rule with an iron fist… Though, compared to some other countries around there, and the “new and improved Bush version” fewer people were in duress or being subjected to murder. You might not be able to force an idyllic situation on people. Have you ever thought about that? That some times the lesser of two evils is still a bit evil. But it beats the alternatives of what they are living under now – even if you all want to call it Democracy.
They weren’t but since we (the U.S.) get involved in every country’s affairs, Iraq with it strategic location in the Middle East has the best chance for democratic principles spreading to neighboring countries.
Comment by Tracy — June 8, 2006 @ 5:55 pm
Who says? That’s just a load of crap if you know anything about tehir culture. They have for centuries been a patriarchal and hostile culture. How exactly does that work with Democracy? It doesn’t. For proof, get on a plane and fly over there to see how it’s going.
Secondly, who the hell are we to tell people how to live or force our systems on them? How arrogant and delusional to want to push our agenda for our own means. Really. No wonder most of the world has grown to hate our government.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:25 pmThe funny bit, is the right was yelling about Bill Clinton interjecting into bosnia. Now they are saying we have a patriotic duty to interfere around the world, as long as that country has oil. Look at the scant attention paid to Sudan, or most of the rest of Africa.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:28 pmLook at the scant attention paid to Sudan, or most of the rest of Africa.
Comment by Krazny — June 8, 2006 @ 6:28 pm
Exactly… The egocentricity of the far right is astounding. But because they know it’s not acceptable to civilized human beings, they have to try and wrap it in some altruistic coating. Kinda like giving the dog a pill by inserting it into a piece of cheese…
June 8th, 2006 at 6:35 pmOnce again, not the same thing as Iraq or Afghanistan. Japan surrendered to the Allied forces. Saddam and his Republican Guard DID NOT surrender and have not given up.
Try again.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:39 pmSpudge I may be wrong, but I think that WWII /Japan, was the last officially declared war the US waged.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:42 pmComment by Krazny
And now we buy them cars.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:46 pmKranzy,
He is trying to say that we forced Japan into a democracy at gun point. I was just pointing out that they surrendered, therefore had to do what we said. Iraq did not surrender, they went undergraound and are not fighting us. There is no comparison.
But you knew that.
June 8th, 2006 at 6:58 pmyea, aphro – ain’t that just how it is – self-righteousness has a way of coming back to bite… i saw that “you” instead of “your” the second after clicking on that button… but i was, as you probably know, referring to the name/title of the book – i had to use up a few more precicous seconds trying to find it! :-)
BTW – it would help if TP would make the print LARGER in this box as it was until a few months (?) ago!!!
June 8th, 2006 at 7:00 pm#488
Germany after WW2, unless you think that it was a democracy after Hitler subverted it and turned in to a facist state.
June 8th, 2006 at 7:02 pmGermany after WW2, unless you think that it was a democracy after Hitler subverted it and turned in to a facist state.
Comment by Tracy
I already listed Germany )
And I think that the way the Japanese treated their “natives” the samurai shows that MAYBE they were NOT a democracy … but I dont know that much about it really … look at how America treated our natives and yet we are as close to the real deal as anyone ..
June 8th, 2006 at 7:04 pm#477
Why back in WW2 was it worth the U.S. going to war to save Europe and now it’s not worth giving hope to people who have been oppressed for so many years?
History again you need to read. Please tell use how many years it took to rebuild the German infrastructure politicall and economically.
June 8th, 2006 at 7:09 pm#462
If this is all the patience you have then you have no idea what it takes for real political change.
June 8th, 2006 at 7:13 pmWhy back in WW2 was it worth the U.S. going to war to save Europe and now it’s not worth giving hope to people who have been oppressed for so many years?
History again you need to read. Please tell use how many years it took to rebuild the German infrastructure politicall and economically.
Comment by Tracy
We did NOT go to war to save Europe… look it up… we let Europe burn for years … Americans REFUSED to get involved in more rediculous old world wars… we only joined after we were attacked at it started to become clear that modern technology would allow Germany to destroy America if they won…
Seriously … look this stuff up … I have watched hundreds of hours of video about this stuff and read alot more than that…
June 8th, 2006 at 7:16 pm