VIDEO: In Goodbye Speech, DeLay Bitterly Attacks Liberals
VIDEO: In Goodbye Speech, DeLay Bitterly Attacks Liberals
Today Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) gave his parting speech on the floor of the House. DeLay broke with tradition and bitterly attacked his liberal colleagues, many of whom walked out. Watch an excerpt:
We will miss you too, Tom DeLay.
Full transcript below:
In preparing for today, I found that it is customary in speeches such as these to reminisce about the good old days of political harmony and across-the-aisle camaraderie, and to lament the bitter, divisive partisan rancor that supposedly now weakens our democracy.
Well, I can’t do that because partisanship, Mr. Speaker, properly understood, is not a symptom of democracy’s weakness, but of its health and its strength, especially from the perspective of a political conservative.
Liberalism, after all, whatever you may think of its merits, is a political philosophy and a proud one with a great tradition in this country, with a voracious appetite for growth. In any place or any time on any issue, what does liberalism ever seek, Mr. Speaker? More. More government, more taxation, more control over people’s lives and decisions and wallets.
If conservatives don’t stand up to liberalism, no one will.
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More. More government, more taxation, more control over people’s lives and decisions and wallets.
He just called George, his Regime and the Republican led government ‘liberals’… because if anyone fits his perverted definition, it’s his party and not ours.
Good bye Tommy. You will not be missed. Even the amusment factor has worn off.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:02 pmBut isn’t it only Dems who give angry inappropriate speeches? (Wellstone & Scott King funerals). Another media narrative bites the dust.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:03 pmInappropirate speeches? Are you kidding. If the republican’s didn’t have things inaapropriate to say they would lose their entire base. Shit. They would lose Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Shaun and Bill. The real question is: Could they have their base if they started to make appropriate speeches?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:07 pmTom Delay is a Frenchman, isn’t that a Liberal?
Didn’t Delay screw the Christians out of their money?
Why Yes!
Isn’t Delay Corrupt?
Why Yes!
Is Delay a Rothschild Agent!
Yupp. Yukos Oil $$$
‘The Exterminator’ The Commies called him. Pretty Liberal.
The there is this;
By R. Jeffrey Smith
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, June 7, 2006; A04
A registered lobbyist opened a retirement account in the late 1990s for the wife of then-House Whip Tom DeLay (R-Tex.) and contributed thousands of dollars to it while also paying her a salary to work for him from her home in Texas, according to sources, documents and DeLay’s attorney, Richard Cullen. [Yikes! A Cullen!]
The account represents a small portion of the income that DeLay’s family received from entities at least partly controlled by lobbyist Edwin A. Buckham.[Figgers] But the disclosure of its origin adds to what was previously known about the benefits DeLay’s family received from its association with Buckham, and it brings the total over the past seven years to about half a million dollars.[Oh Sweet Jeebus!]
Oh Boy. Talk about a corrupt Liberal!!!
Delay is IT!!
But Keep Talking Talking Turkey Tom.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:07 pmCause even a Christian, like me, can only take so much corruption and lies. In effecy Mr. Delay. YOU are WORSE than a Liberal!!
I’m looking forward to the speech he’ll make when this criminal is finally behind bars.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:10 pmFunny under his cabal and with Bush’s no veto the government has grown 35% in the past 6 years.
See you next time at the Perp walk turdblossom.
Then again you can always go back to your exterminating business. Seems cockroaches hang with their own.
HISTORY HAS YOUR NUMBER LOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSERRRRRR!
June 8th, 2006 at 10:10 pmWhat a lying dirtbag. Calling Liberals big government and into taxation!!! He was talking about his own party! Who does he thing he is fouling!???
June 8th, 2006 at 10:12 pmDamn, that speech is long. Did anyone read the whole thing? He’s an unapologetic halfwit. (Meaning no offense to halfwits throughout the universe)
June 8th, 2006 at 10:16 pmI can’t believe that this pompous, hypocritical prick was able to deliver that drivel with a straight face.
Good frickin riddance!!!
June 8th, 2006 at 10:18 pmAnd don’t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:23 pmTom DeLay is a vile and criminal thug so anything he spews is pure poison! Good riddence to him and may he rot in Hell someday for all eternity!
June 8th, 2006 at 10:26 pmAttaboy, Tom. You take that attitude with you all the way to prison. You’ll make some good friends there.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:29 pmDog Turd!!!!
June 8th, 2006 at 10:36 pmGOP means Greedy Oil Perverts so Tom is defending the totally corrupt Republican party and kicking Democrats as he leaves the Congress > horrible legacy he has left behind in DC!
June 8th, 2006 at 10:41 pmYou gotta admit hes straight up about it…..
June 8th, 2006 at 10:42 pmWhatever, Mr.”Cut and Run” Republican Man. How about returning those campaign contributions that you will no longer be needing, since you’re NOT running for re-election (cause you are a CHICKEN!) or are you gonna keep it, to pay your CONSIDERABLE legal bills? Nevermind, I already know. You are a liar and a thief. Bye-bye, Lice!
June 8th, 2006 at 10:46 pmPost 15 I would like to see the video of Democrat members of the House getting up and walking out as they mutter profanities at him > lol.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:47 pmThia coming from a guy who made his living, hell was famous, for launching the most vicious and bitter partisan attacks and personal character assaults?
June 8th, 2006 at 10:58 pmOh well, I knew he was a CRYBABY.
Like all republicans. They love to dish it out but smack em once and “ow, stop, it hurts”.
Crybabies.
June 8th, 2006 at 10:59 pmmmmmmm…I guess is the other way around, but whatever, Tom. Good bye.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:05 pmWhat a loser.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:07 pmI dont think most people on here know that I am a ‘reformed’ ditto head. My favorite show in high school: Rush Limbaugh. In college, on an extremely liberal campus, I was routinely ostracised from my poli sci classes due to my conservative views. Its now been 8 years since then, and my favorite shows are, in order of preference, Real Time with Bill Maher and The Daily Show with John Stewart.
Why did I change? Because of this arogance demonstrated right here, by the former representatitve turned felon Tom Delay.
Pop quiz: which party believes in:
o small, efficient, effective government
o government that protects, not restricts the rights of its citizens
o conserve our natural resources by expanding our technology
And for extra credit, which party has
o endangered our economy through a risky, never-ending, unnecessary war against an enemy that did not attack us
o expanded the federal government every year since assuming power
o blown a huge federal surplus budget and replaced it with historically unprecedented national debt
o played footloose and fancy free with interest rates post 2000, creating the largest economic bubble in the history of man kind (the housing bubble dwarfs the internet bubble)
o allowed the degradation of our national morals and worldwide esteem by condoning and supporting torture and a departure from the Geneva Conventions.
o consistently violated the free market with corporate kickbacks in health care, insurance, energy, pharmacuticals, etc
o consistently violated the free market preventing new technologies that would protect our environment and conserve precious natural resources.
o routinely sought to undermine the campaign finance rules
o routinely sought to undermine the electoral process by disenfranchising minority voters and installing technologies that are not accountable
And lastly: which party
o allowed a handful of terrorists to attack within the continental US, killing thousands of Americans
o then used this as an excuse to attack an unrelated nation, killing several thousand more Americans, several tens-if-not-hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians, 70+ journalists, and expended several hundred billion dollars of our childrens money in the process.
The Democratic Party is both the liberal and conservative party. The Republicans are hawkish National Socialists. There is nothing remotely American or patriotic about the modern Republican Party.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:07 pmgeeez! Tom Delay crying his eyes out again. He deserved an exit without dignity and pride. He got his wish. He will not be missed. He’ll make some new friends once he’s in the slammer. Then the Hammer in the Slammer will get hammered
June 8th, 2006 at 11:11 pmthe moment he drops the soap.
I hope the night tom gets “broken in” by his new jail mate that there will be no soap or any other lubricating substance anywhere within reach.
I hope he feels real dirty when it’s over. Like he can never get clean again.
Between brutal f&*ks, he’ll have time to reflect on how things might have been different, that he could have made better choices.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:16 pmThe rest doesn’t matter, even if he’s proven innocent. May this be a message to all of Congress.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:21 pmwhatever he has to say isn’t worth hearing. I’m sick and tired of ‘Republicans’; the ennui never stops.
he can be as bitter as he wants.
He’s useless and no good. Put him out to pasture. Let him live so he can be miserable for the rest of his days.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:25 pmCharming, to the last.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:25 pmWhat else can you expect? Mr. DeLay is merely a proxy for some very, very scary people.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:32 pmTom Delay. The face of the republican party. One by one, let’s hope other so-called republicans see justice for all their mis-deeds to our country and our people. What goes around comes around.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:33 pmI hope he gives us a Jimmy Swaggart moment.
Course, that’d be too much to hope for.
June 8th, 2006 at 11:48 pmFlush twice to get the rest of the corn down the bowl along with Delay. I hear his going away dinner at a haute French restaurant was to die for.
-GSD
June 8th, 2006 at 11:55 pmPost 33 > supposedly Tom DeLay was involved in the Cunningham/Hookergate poker parties! So if only the Duke or Dusty Foggo would sing on DeLay, then we could have that Swaggart moment about sex with hookers, but I doubt Tom would cry like a baby as Jimmy did on TV!
June 8th, 2006 at 11:57 pm#34 GSD,
That is also known as a courtesy flush.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:02 amCan’t you see it now? Tears streaming down his face, I have SINNED against you
LMFAO
June 9th, 2006 at 12:04 amAnyone seen thsi bit of legislation in Congress?
Bring back the draft
June 9th, 2006 at 12:06 amI liked the first draft better:
“And I’d like to thank the taxpayers of Texas and all of the United States for paying me a handsome salary – which includes free health care for life for myself and my family – in return for working as hard as humanly possible to secure even more taxpeyer money to buy overvalued services from my friends and donors. I could never have proudly carried on this proud campaign of gansterism and embezzlement if it weren’t for the millions of suckers who swallowed the right-wing tripe we fed them, and allowed us to syphon the federal purse into our own pockets. God bless you all.”
June 9th, 2006 at 12:12 amYea thats Charlie Rangels bill.
He’s tired of the rich making the poor fight their wars.
A draft would accomplish several things, primarly, evening up who has to serve, and bringing a swift end to the war, and the republicans reign.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:14 amGreat Rangel quote:
“I truly believe that those who make the decision and those who support the United States going into war would feel more readily the pain that’s involved, the sacrifice that’s involved, if they thought that the fighting force would include the affluent and those who historically have avoided this great responsibility,”
“Those who love this country have a patriotic obligation to defend this country, For those who say the poor fight better, I say give the rich a chance.”
June 9th, 2006 at 12:20 amGreat quote Kitty.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:25 amJune 9th, 2006 at 12:29 am
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JUDD AND THE CREW!!!
Please pick up the rest of the story from today! I’m a law student working on the Lampson campaign in Fort Bend, and in case you didn’t see, there was some serious news today. The State party has filed suit on Lampson’s behalf seeking injunctive relief to keep the TRP from replacing DeLay on the ballot. It’s a well written complaint, and based on some very good cases decided by GOP TX Ct. of Appeals Justices.
The Austin trial judge ordered a temporary restraining order.
All the details, including a PDF of the suit, can be found at one of our local blogger’s site:
http://www.brazosriver.com
She’s the same blogger who snapped the pics of DeLay’s goons roughing up 70 yr old Marsha Rovai.
I am at the Democratic State Convention in Fort Worth right now, and while it’s the hot topic here, most of us are shocked to see that the national blogosphere has not touched it yet.
Get to work!
.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:29 amFLAVIUS > after Bush attacks Iran, and the entire Middle East erupts in war, then there will be a draft, but not like the one Rep. Rangel is pushing for everyone between age 18 and 42 to serve! Bush’s draft will exempt his daughters, Cheney’s daughters, and even Hillary Clinton’s daughter! It will also exempt Jeb Bush’s sons and McCain’s too! An emergency draft implimented because of the Dubya Dunce Decider being an oil whore, and a warmonger, but he will still force the poor to die as cannon fodder for him, and the wealthy exempted!
June 9th, 2006 at 12:48 am#3,
These Reich-Wing Radical conservative hacks know how to do one thing and one thing onlyand that is this:
Use inapropriate speeches littered with hate that discriminates against Liberals.
After the Cold War ended the GOP had to find a new group to demonize and make out to look like the enemy so that they could galvanize their base. They chose us.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:54 amdrtomaso,
Very well put.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:19 amAngelo & Angela,
I was hoping you would say something that is not a puzzle to me. I must be even more stupid.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:30 amGOP = Got Our Profit… Perhaps him and that Coulter c**t can hook up.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:48 amYou know, I still think of Delay back when he tried to compare himself to Jesus and get a chuckle ot of it.
June 9th, 2006 at 3:13 amMy Understanding of liberals
The Liberal Democrats exist to build and safeguard a fair, free and open society, in which we seek to balance the fundamental values of liberty, equality and community, and in which no-one shall be enslaved by poverty, ignorance or conformity. We champion the freedom, dignity and well-being of individuals, we acknowledge and respect their right to freedom of conscience and their right to develop their talents to the full. We aim to disperse power, to foster diversity and to nurture creativity. We believe that the role of the state is to enable all citizens to attain these ideals, to contribute fully to their communities and to take part in the decisions which affect their lives.
June 9th, 2006 at 6:12 amI don’t buy the 9/11 conspiracy theory any more then I buy the liberal media conspiracy theory. If anything I lean towards the idea that if the Jews really ran the world it wouldn’t be in the mess it is now. I have made no secret of my support for Israel, nor my disdain for Palestine.
I believe Affirmative action to be a stupid idea, and that 1 language is far easier, cheaper, and generally better then lots of different languages. I do not identify culture as having anything to do with language; Mexico and Spain are not the same place.
Yet I am still a liberal.
I believe in social security, not just as something that the government should do, but also as a duty for each individual to fulfil.
I believe that government belongs to the people, not that the people belong to the government. If I pay taxes, I am paying the government; the money is still mine because the government is mine. Likewise if the government is in debt, I am in debt.
I believe in people being people, not nationalities, cultures, or ideologies. I do not actually believe culture exists save as a divisive illusion.
I believe that global capitalism can only work if we have a unified court system, complete with worldwide bill of rights, where everyone gets treated equally, and I don’t mean simply for war crimes and atrocities.
I strongly believe that labour is a form of capital, and should be as exportable as rice.
I believe in strong public services such as public education and health care. I do not believe that a poor person is less entitled to health care then a rich person.
I believe that big business needs watching, and that strict accounting standards need to be enforced on public companies.
I also believe in differential reporting, whereby small companies aren’t bankrupted trying to keep up with the latest accounting statements.
I believe that once society moves towards sacrificing the individual for the whole, it in essence has moved into the realms of condoning human sacrifice. I strongly believe in civil rights for everybody.
I firmly believe that religious institutions, whatever they may be, have no place in government, and should be treat just like any other non-profit organisations.
I believe that gay people should have the right to marry if they want to.
I also believe that criminal law should be kept down to a reasonable minimum. While I don’t condone murder, I honestly couldn’t care less about prostitution.
I believe in freedom of speech, not just when it is easy, but also when it is hard, but I also believe in the truth being even more important.
I believe in the right to privacy, as a protection to freedom of speech.
I believe the law is the law for everybody, and it should be enforced whoever breaks the law, especially if the person breaking the law is in a position of public trust.
I believe war to be the last resort of the incompetent, and the first resort of the criminally stupid. Incompetence can be rectified, stupidity cannot.
I believe in absolute fairness, and that can make me seem dogmatic at times, but I do not believe in being charitable to those whose chief arguments are insults and libel.
These are issues which I will not back down on, and they aren’t the only ones where I feel that way. I am a liberal not because liberals agree with me, or even mostly agree with me, but because I feel that people have a right to disagree. I am a liberal not because I am right, but because I can be wrong.
June 9th, 2006 at 6:24 amDelay is just another crony, full of the republican/right-wing propaganda, trying to make people believe the unbelievable: “The war on terror is going great, Osama and a bunch of idiot Saudi’s attacked the world’s mightiest military and intelligence apparatus. There is nothing wrong with the enormous budget deficit and Bush and his ‘allies’ are doing everything they can to finaly make the expenses from government more efficient. The rich need to pay lesser taxes than the poor because the poor don’t create jobs.”
The logic these guys take for granted is the logic that’s gonna have them burn in eternity before the eyes of the God they all say they fear so much…. If Bush and Delay fear God, I wonder what attoricties they ‘d commit if they didn’t…..like, bring the world to it’s end? It’s almost too late for that already. But it won’t be my conscience going into the flames.
June 9th, 2006 at 7:02 amI think everyone is missing the point. He was elected by the people of Sugarland Texas. They love him, he was their gravy king, liberal bashing was just a PR move. The redistricting in Texas that took place was one of the most brilliant consolidation of powers in the history of Congress. The GOP hasn’t disavowed him or Ann Coulture, he worked for his people, those people are just as responsible for the hate against , well, anything that he chose to determine was messy and in the way of the Social Conservatives big plans. They are not going away, especially defeated.
June 9th, 2006 at 7:17 am[...] Here’s a partial transcript from Tom Delay’s farwell to Congress & his lecture about liberalism. (In typical childlike fashion, several Democrats walked out.) In preparing for today, I found that it is customary in speeches such as these to reminisce about the good old days of political harmony and across-the-aisle camaraderie, and to lament the bitter, divisive partisan rancor that supposedly now weakens our democracy. [...]
June 9th, 2006 at 7:20 amI guess he couldn’t leave without saying one more hypocritical thing.
June 9th, 2006 at 7:28 amPaul Krugman gives us Tom DeLay’s political eulogy as well as some commentary on the peculiar debt that we owe men of vast wealth, instead of vice versa, as Teddy Roosevelt said.
June 9th, 2006 at 7:43 amOn the day that Bug Boy was indicted I ordered two tubes of KY jelly and had them delivered to DeLay’s House office. With the KY I enclosed a message saying that he was going to be glad he had this gift when he got to prison. After hearing the virtiol in his speech yesterday, I’m wishing now I had sent him sandpaper instead.
June 9th, 2006 at 7:59 amThe last time I hear the words tom delay will not be soon enough.
June 9th, 2006 at 8:03 amBye bye, pig-shit.
I’m not sure if this is necessarily good for us, Delay might be able to do more damage being a lobbyist then he ever did as a congressman since they are so unregulated he might be reborn twice as a crooked as before, at least until he goes to jail.
June 9th, 2006 at 8:12 amWhat’s wrong with more control over people’s lives? I say tax the hell out of people until they die….and then tax them again! The government will save us eventually….down with small government!
June 9th, 2006 at 8:28 am#53
Nice try, but you don’t get to redefine liberalism. De Lay’s description of it is accurate.
June 9th, 2006 at 8:49 amThat speach sounded like transference. This current government that wants more and more and more control is dominated by Conservatives. Who does this creep think he is fooling?
June 9th, 2006 at 8:50 am#64, oh, bullshit. The guy’s indicted for illegal activity, but that’s OK, because he’s not Bill Clinton? It’s all one big conspiracy against the little old conservatives?
Do you honestly think Tom DeLay (of all people) would willingly resign if he wasn’t guilty? Clinton didn’t, because he knew he’d be vindicated.
DeLay is a bully. A hypocrite. A perversion of what a good American politician can be.
June 9th, 2006 at 9:06 amAnyone seen thsi bit of legislation in Congress?
Bring back the draft
Comment by Stupid Republicans — June 9, 2006 @ 12:06 am
Heard about this when someone told me that they were asked to come back and work for the draft board. That was in December 2003. Guess all the rich kids and Chimpies twins get to do the “community service” while the middle class and the poor go off to fight in Chimpie’s wars.
“Follow me to Carthage. Don’t believe the headlines.” – The Mammals
June 9th, 2006 at 9:14 amNice try, but you don’t get to redefine liberalism. De Lay’s description of it is accurate.
Comment by Antagonist — June 9, 2006 @ 8:49 am
Nice try, but you don’t get to redefine liberalism either.
De Lay’s description of it is inaccurate. Because you don’t define others – they define themselves. We say who we are – not a criminal thug like Tommy Boy. Besides, it’s actions that matter, not a bunch of ideological rhetoric. You know, a neocon by any other name would still be a criminal…
June 9th, 2006 at 9:18 am[...] Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX), one of DoubleSpeak’s favorite punching bags, gave his goodbye speech on the floor of the House yesterday and left us with these wise words. VIDEO. In preparing for today, I found that it is customary in speeches such as these to reminisce about the good old days of political harmony and across-the-aisle camaraderie, and to lament the bitter, divisive partisan rancor that supposedly now weakens our democracy. [...]
June 9th, 2006 at 9:23 am#54
I don’t buy the 9/11 conspiracy theory any more then I buy the liberal media conspiracy theory. If anything I lean towards the idea that if the Jews really ran the world it wouldn’t be in the mess it is now. I have made no secret of my support for Israel, nor my disdain for Palestine.
I guess you believe in terrorism because it was the Jews in Isreal that TERRORIZED the British to leave Palestine, by bombing hotels and killing people. Isreal was Palestine before the Jews claimed it and then split the Palestinians into separate territories to keep them weak. The only reason the American government backed Isreal was because they wanted a “watch dog” to keep an eye on “our oil”. Now the American Taliban wants Isreal to exist because they so want the Rapture to happen.
June 9th, 2006 at 9:25 amHow’s that? more government more taxation, more spending, more debt, more control over peoples lives, more war, more lies, more corruption…
liberals haven’t been in power the last for awhile, how’d everything get so… more?
For a whiny self-indulgent delusional EX-Representative, Delay sure is GONE.
June 9th, 2006 at 9:29 amDid Ann Coulter wrote that speech ???
June 9th, 2006 at 9:36 amIt’s not Delay i’m worried about. It’s the great unwashed masses that follow men like Delay.
June 9th, 2006 at 9:38 amwhat does liberalism ever seek, Mr. Speaker? More. More government, more taxation, more control over people’s lives and decisions and wallets
[stunned silence]
So … Tom DeLay was a liberal all along? Is that the plan, to blame DeLay’s failure on the liberals?
Honestly, who buys this ignorant shit any more?
June 9th, 2006 at 9:45 am.
If I had a penny for every time I’ve been nickled and dimed by these silver dollar Republicans I could pay a quarter of the national debt.
Restoring honesty to the White House?
By choosing which facts to ignore.
Small government?
Being ruled by a small group of rich guys.
Protecting freedoms?
Primarily your right to remain silent.
This wave of Republican leadership is the most corrupt, opportunitic, self-serving cabal of political criminals that has ever governed our country. I’m only sad that more cronies aren’t chained to Delay’s ankle as he’s being thrown out.
June 9th, 2006 at 10:04 amPoor Tommy. Sniff. Hope you choke at the trough. If the founders of this country could see you, they would have shot themselves instead of the red coats.
June 9th, 2006 at 10:09 am…and EVERYWHERE Tom DeLay travels…
…LIBERALS should do the same to him…
June 9th, 2006 at 10:15 amOff topic, but TP’s been slacking since going to Vegas(suprise suprise there)
Good, Wonderful, Slenderific News:
U.S. House Shoots Down Net Neutrality Provision
“Without a net neutrality law, the Internet will turn into a two-tiered network in which the fastest speeds are reserved for content produced by the large broadband providers and companies that pay extra fees”
HOORAY TIERS!!!! I can’t wait to be a second class internet citizen.
June 9th, 2006 at 10:24 amcats are flyfishn
But it wasn’t independent. It was part of Turkish, Egyption and then Brittish territory.
Look, go read up on the history, go look at what both sides want. The Israelis want their own state, and it is theirs, they have won it fairly in multiple wars in which they were attacked (and yes I do the Six Day war in that) and have demonstrated repeatedly their willingness to have peace. They have paid their dues and paid them in blood. It is time to accept Israel and let the region heal. It is time for Clerics on both sides, because Palestine is not blameless, to figure screw it and stop with the hate.
And frankly, it is time for Palestine to stop whining. They could have had peace any number of times, and said no to it. They started with Israel being insignificant next to them, and decided to go for it all rather then build themselves up. It is time for them to cut the bullshit, admit defeat and get on with their lives.
June 9th, 2006 at 10:25 amIs there any way Tommy can use his redistricting skills in prison to send all the queens and sodomites to an alternate wing of the institution ?
June 9th, 2006 at 10:31 amThere should be a count after do in the brackets there.
June 9th, 2006 at 10:35 amit is spelled surprise, not ’suprise.’
Al Zarqawi looks better dead than Tom Delay looks alive.
Zarqawi’s infamy will last longer than Tom’s legacy of stupidity.
June 9th, 2006 at 10:36 amHOORAY TIERS!!!! I can’t wait to be a second class internet citizen.
Comment by squegeeboo — June 9, 2006 @ 10:24 am
Why even bother to have the ability to write your Representatives when they don’t listen anyway…? They just vote party lines…
So, greed and glutton won again… so surprise there.
June 9th, 2006 at 10:38 amAnd then the steaming pile of elephant shit let out one more bit of noxious vapor before it was run over by the liberal lawnmower of litigation… farewell dickhead… I hope you take it up the butt in prison!!!
June 9th, 2006 at 10:54 amHe’s not even off the election ticket yet. Why you may ask?
Because the Dems won’t let him.
Seems like you guys hate him to much to let him go.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:01 amYay, drtomaso, Tobey Tall, Bruce Gorton & GW SuperChrist! Well said, one and all!
June 9th, 2006 at 11:01 amSo, with today being the first day Tom DeLay isn’t in the House Chamber….Have they scheduled a cleaner to come in and power wash the pond scum from the chairs, floors & walls?
Maybe they should think about it. Some of that grime, it’ll never come off though.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:05 am#23
…And lastly: which party
o allowed a handful of terrorists to attack within the continental US, killing thousands of Americans…
Comment by drtomaso — June 8, 2006 @ 11:07
I read your rant, but your last comment says it all. With your intellectual dishonesty, and your blatent history revisionism, you belong among the left. I’m suprised that you were a conservative—in fact I don’t believe you ever were. No conservative would abandon their ideals because of some percieved arrogance within a politcian—one would have no trouble finding that on both sides of the aisle. No conservative would abandon their ideals because of the Bush administration either. Remember the Harriet Meyers nomination? Conservatives didn’t throw their hands up in the air and defect to the left, they stuck to their principles and voiced their disapproval.
Here’s a pop quiz for you—Under which administratiion were barriers erected between intelligence agencies—making it possible for a handful of terrorists to attack within the continental US, killing thousands of Americans?
June 9th, 2006 at 11:05 amSqueege – I don’t HATE Tom DeLay. Loath, despise, find despicable, criminal and dishonest? Yes. Hate? No, we’ll leave that to your fellow Clinton haters. Your so good at it already.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:07 amDeLay’s embrace by House thieves would be less effusive and his fuzzy-wuzzy rhetoric not so enthralling to the ill-educated were he not black.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:08 ams. boo, ‘too much’ not ‘to much’
This can be of some help for you.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:09 amAntagonist 88 pinhead – when bushco got their August 8, 2001 memo stating that Al Queda was determined to attack the US within the US boundries….That’s when our government failed us. But I expect you to continue to whip President Clinton till the day you die. It’s your one trick pony. It’s a lie though.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:10 amKeep you zipper up & your belt tied tight, Tommy Boy.
Prison nights can get mighty long & scary when you’re
the only white meat on the cell block.
If shit were brains you’d be brilliant. Fortunately for us,
the law recoginzes shit as well, and you deserve more
than any jail sentence could define.
America, wake up! Tom DeLay is the poster boy for the
culture of corruption. You couldn’t remove the slime from
his sorry ass with power tools. (Although that may happen
in the big house.)
Tom…we won’t miss you, but we can hardly forget you.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:11 amWhen are visiting hours?
Ron
thanks for the help, but its the interwebs, my grammer don’t concern me much.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:17 amDidn’t John Ashcroft stop flying commercial airlines in July of 2001 because of real terror threats inside of the United States?
The threats were real and ignored until it was too late.
The ‘Republicans’ are a cruel joke on America anymore.
About time they learn a little sumthun. idjets
Thank God Tom Delay is gone. Greyhound too.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:19 amDeLay is the most misunderstood pathological misfit of the last twenty years. If only he had wanted to do good he might very well have been another Birdman of Alcatraz.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:20 amBruce Gorton – I suggest you read up more on this history, sir. Having followed this issue for over 25 years, I can say without a doubt, that Israel, being born out of SHEAR TERRORISM, happens also to be one of the original architects of “false flagging”. I assume you have heard of that term. (Zionists) Who had the funds and the pure gumption to stage attacks on their own people…and make it seem as though it was the Palestinians. I will SUBMIT to you, sir, that your history is backwards. For centuries the Palestinians, some Christians, and Jews lived quite peacefully together until the beginning of 20th century, when the Arab world was duped by the British. Do you know who drew the borders? Does it matter that the Palestinians were given a RAW DEAL!
June 9th, 2006 at 11:26 am#66
Electricpocketpoolplayer,
Delay was indicted on bogus charges—purely for political reasons. The alleged illegal activity wasn’t even illegal at the time it was commited. The Republicans were stupid enough to agree to stepping down from their positions if indicted. The Democrats made a play to make that happen, and Ronnie Earle has been on record for wanting to take DeLay down—even if he had to go grand jury shopping to do it. Funny how the Democrats haven’t agreed to that rule, but that’s beside the point. Resignation is not an admission of guilt, and DeLay’s description of liberalism is indeed accurate. Go ahead and criticize DeLay all you want, but I doubt very much that you even know what a good American politician even looks like.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:27 amUnder which administratiion were barriers erected between intelligence agencies—making it possible for a handful of terrorists to attack within the continental US, killing thousands of Americans?
Comment by Antagonist — June 9, 2006 @ 11:05 am
EXCUSE ME? That would be BUSH. Know why? Because Clinton’s administration passed that TORCH to BUSH – WHO IGNORED IT!
June 9th, 2006 at 11:28 amI figured it out. Antagonist is, simply put, a sociopath. They have absolutely no conscious, therefore anything and everything they say are mostly lies (even though in their own little minds they truly believe their garbage). Sociopaths are adept at seeming normal on the outside, but are constantly scheming to seem more important than they really are. Sociopaths do not live in reality in relationship to humanity. They live in their own narrow little worlds. Make a vow to avoid these people at all costs. They expect to be engaged so they can spue their hate filled, backwards grasp of history. They will stop at nothing to get what they want. THEY CAN’T HAVE OUR LIBERAL HISTORY and claim it as their own.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:38 am#98 You are wrong. Using corporate money in Texas elections has been illegal for decades.
But you have a good point. Perhaps Republicans should institute a rule that any indictment against them shall be null and void. Pass in into law I bet Bush won’t even water it down with a signing statement.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:38 ammadashell
Raw deal? The Israelies got a small portion of Jerusalem and a tiny sliver of land. That’s it. They didn’t even start out with a whole city.
Oh, and actually it was the UN that divided the place up, not Britain. Britain came to the UN with the issue and that is what UN decided on (80% pro.)
Also, this is a matter where both sides have shown themselves to be about morally equivelant. Neither side is free of blood on their hands, neither side is clean, so one has to go with the guys who ultimately won and are not going to go quietly whatever happens.
That said, the false flagging you had better have some evidence of this. Seriously, provide the link because so far as I know Hitler used it in 1933. While I am aware of some allegations in the 80’s I am not aware of them being proven, and you had better have proof before making that kind of assertion.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:39 amGordon Gecko: Greed is good.
Tom DeLay: Bitter partisanship is even better.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:40 am#68
June 9th, 2006 at 11:41 amnice try unbelievable, nobody asked what liberalism means to you—there are some absolutes here. There is such a thing as historic liberalism. There are some historic and traditional attributes. DeLay was indeed accurate in listing some of them. Hate the messenger all you want—what he said was right.
#75
If I had a penny for every time I’ve been nickled and dimed by these silver dollar Republicans I could pay a quarter of the national debt…
Comment by lever long enough — June 9, 2006 @ 10:04 am
You haven’t seen anything yet, wait until the Democrats have control of the house.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:45 amBruce Gorton – this book: The Arab Awakening is the seminal work on the formation of the modern Arab States and the betrayals of the Western Powers following WWI that has largely caused the attitudes of the Arabs toward the West that survives to this day.
It takes the reader from the beginnings of the new Arab literary and philosophical rennaissance in the late 1800’s, through WWI where the Arabs fought on the side of the West against the Ottomans, to the betrayals that immediately followed the Great War: the division of the Ottoman Empire among the Western Powers, the Mandate systems, Sykes-Picot, the Balfour Declaration, just to name a few.
For anyone wishing to know the real antecedents to todays Middle East issues, they go back considerably further than the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. This book is a must for any serious Middle East scholar.
I will add also – there is an intense bibliography in this book as well. The author added also that though not taught historically, the information is out there, and he took the time to sort it out.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:48 am#86
Yay, drtomaso, Tobey Tall, Bruce Gorton & GW SuperChrist! Well said, one and all!
Comment by Zookeeper — June 9, 2006 @ 11:01 am
Sure doesn’t take much to impress you…
June 9th, 2006 at 11:48 amAntangonist,
What explains the the massive growth of the federal government under the control of a Republican House, Senate and Whitehouse?
-GSD
June 9th, 2006 at 11:48 amWhat planet is this man living on? “Liberalism” always seeks “more”?
Well, that is true in terms of our fights for MORE FREEDOM, MORE EQUALITY, MORE JUSTICE and MORE HONESTY.
If anyone is seeking “[m]ore government, more taxation, more control over people’s lives and decisions and wallets” it is the GOP!!!
1. More Government – The size of the Federal government has expanded under GW Bush (after being shrunk by WJ Clinton). NSA spying. “Homeland” Security. Etc.
2. More Taxation – Republicans think they are “cutting” taxes by giving away money to the rich, but the net effect of their “trickle down” economic policy is a de facto RISE in taxes for everyone else. By increasing spending and decreasing the inflow of tax dollars we are worse off than before Bush came into office.
3. More Control Over People’s Lives – One name should put this to rest: Terri Schiavo. How much more invasive could Congress and the White House have been in this sad affair? What about the ridiculous “Federal Marriage Amendment” – isn’t that trying to control the lives of gay and lesbian Americans? “Free speech zones”. “Faith-based” social services. Etc.
Delay is wrong wrong wrong wrong. How can one man be so consistently wrong? Has he ever been right? Has anything he’s ever done in his political career been anything other than dishonest and criminal?
Delay is responsible for much of the state of Congress today. His nickname – “The Hammer” – is reminiscent of his days as party whip where he twisted arms and used political leverage to enforce Republican unity in voting. He threw bipartisanship out of the window when he became House Majority Leader. Delay declared war on Democrats and gave no quarter to the Democratic representatives who he saw as nothing more than unnecessary obstacles to his power and that of the GOP.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:50 am#92
Antagonist 88 pinhead – when bushco got their August 8, 2001 memo stating that Al Queda was determined to attack the US within the US boundries….That’s when our government failed us. But I expect you to continue to whip President Clinton till the day you die. It’s your one trick pony. It’s a lie though.
What was missing was the where, when and how—due to the intelligence barriers established by Clinton.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:52 amHate the messenger all you want—what he said was right.
Comment by Antagonist — June 9, 2006 @ 11:41 am
You say it’s not my definition. But then you go on to use your definition. I get it. It’s all about you… Thanks for the clarification – though I already knew that about the far-right. They, afte all, invented the me generation.
The history of liberals is not necessarily the present or the future of liberals. Be careful of how you use precedents – after all, change is envitable. Oh, that’s right, you don’t accept Evolution either.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:53 am“I doubt very much that you even know what a good American politician even looks like.”
Of course. We are all wrong and you are right as always, world without end, Amen. And as with all folks like yourself, it (a good American politician) is exactly what /you/ say he/she is and nothing /any/ different from /your/ picture will /ever/ fit the bill.
This is the same mindset that yielded that immortal bumper sticker: “God said it … I believe it … that settles it.”
June 9th, 2006 at 11:57 am#108
What explains the the massive growth of the federal government under the control of a Republican House, Senate and Whitehouse?
-GSD
Comment by GSD — June 9, 2006 @ 11:48 am
Things that have Coservatives fed up with their elected officials.
June 9th, 2006 at 11:58 am#111
June 9th, 2006 at 12:00 pmYou are about as stable as Jello.
“It is not the principled partisan, however obnoxious he may seem to his opponents, who degrades our public debate,” said DeLay, capping a 22-year House career, “but the preening, self-styled statesman who elevates compromise to a first principle.”
June 9th, 2006 at 12:00 pmI guess the conservative motto should be: AVOID COMPROMISE AT ALL COSTS
June 9th, 2006 at 12:02 pmAntagonist
Okay, if you really want to play that game:
If you read through your history books, conservatives have historically stood up for witch hunts, slavery and of course, most lovably of all, torture in the name of power. Given recent not much has changed. While a liberal viewpoint is such that government exists for the people, conservatives believe the reverse.
All conservatives, believe that their particular nation, party and race, is superior, that it is their god given right to murder, maim and terrorise in order to maintain this power. They do not so much believe in enemies, as they believe in demonising their opponents (Hence, pagans were devil worshippers, those who disagreed with the Pope were heretics, and later on those who disagree with Ann Coulter, are America hating traitors called Liberals.) Conservatives actually believe all of this.
They don’t really stand for anything. Ask any conservative just what they hell they are conserving, and they will always resort to things so vague as values and the way. Current day conservatives actually stand for the exact same things that they did in 1000 AD, namely the dissolution of the separation of church and state, the destruction of the public education system as well as any past learning, and generally going to war in order the raid the resources of whatever tribe happens to currently be weakest.
Given the chance they would drag civilisation back to the days when any that speak out would be burnt alive on a piece of wood, and any sort of “Union” action would be met with brutal beatings, and executions due to the fact that slaves are not supposed to form unions.
There idea of a utopia is a feudal system where old money remains in the old families while the poor eek out an existence as servants, if they are lucky, and peasants if they are not. There idea of social health care is to let the poor die, and the slightly less rich bankrupt themselves. This is because they do not want a strong merchant sector, but rather to have their current elite maintained via crippling the lower casts. This is because the merchant sector, founded on self-made fortunes breeds ideas, and ideas can lead to revolution against the might of the conservatives in charge.
Of course, lets not forget, conservatives are all about developing monarchies. Political power, to the conservative mindset is not something to be entrusted into the hands of the people, but rather into the hands of the people who happen to agree with them. If a judge is overly “Liberal” in his thinking that judge is to be reviled, if not poisoned and killed. If anyone of lesser rank speaks out against the king, well, off with his head.
We liberals have to understand that this is our enemy. We must fight them, hate them because hey, they want to destroy everything that has been built over the last few centuries.
See how easy that was Antagonist? Now, lets go back to us all defining ourselves rather then building straw men shall we?
June 9th, 2006 at 12:04 pmYou are about as stable as Jello.
Comment by Antagonist — June 9, 2006 @ 12:00 pm
Again, the telltale ad hominem attack that shows you have no facts or logic in your arsenal to counter with. You really guys need to come up with a new strategy for when you cannot offer a rebuttal to the issue. I’d suggest research and facts, but I know you don’t accept those either…
June 9th, 2006 at 12:05 pmLiberalism is “More. More government, more taxation, more control over people’s lives and decisions and wallets.”
What a hypocrite. Good riddance.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:05 pmNow, lets go back to us all defining ourselves rather then building straw men shall we?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 9, 2006 @ 12:04 pm
Excellent post Bruce. I expect an ad hominen attack in response or silence. That’s all they seem to have when cornered in a debate…
June 9th, 2006 at 12:08 pmoff topic, but FYI
Airdate: Friday, June 9, 2006, at 8:30 p.m. on PBS.
(Check local listings at http://www.pbs.org/now/sched.html.)
The electrically-powered car – did auto and oil companies gang up to kill it? This time on NOW.
Did car companies sabotage one of their most fuel efficient and environmentally-friendly products because it stood in the way of big profits? A new documentary by filmmaker Chris Paine charts the promising life and untimely death of the electric car, and lays blame at the door of some powerful suspects. On June 9, NOW sits down with Paine to look under the hood of America’s automotive and oil industries and ask: who really pulled the plug on electric cars, and why? This time on NOW.
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June 9th, 2006 at 12:08 pmNote: The NOW website at http://www.pbs.org/now will provide follow-up coverage to the show starting Friday morning, June 9. Features will include a timeline of the electric car’s rise and fall, a closer look at the new hybrids, expert perspectives about modern gas fuel alternatives, and practical tips to conserve fuel.
This is such a show.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:10 pmClearly put on by both sides to distract from the fact that both the left and the right are responsible for a totally broken the system.
Don’t let the door hit you on the way out, Tom.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:10 pm#112
Comment by Glenn Becker — June 9, 2006 @ 11:57 am
What/in/the/world/are/you/talking/about/?
The left is simply incapable of seeing anything good in their politcal opponents. Tom DeLay is a decent man—something you’ll never allow yourselves to see because you made him your enemy. I’ll continue to believe that DeLay is a decent man until I see some real evidence that he’s a criminal. There are many politicians on both sides of the aisle who are good and decent people. However, you plug your ears, close your eyes, and refuse to admit that anyone on the right could fit that description.
Your mindset has yielded the phrase, “Create your own reality”
June 9th, 2006 at 12:17 pmI have a nasty carpenter ant problem. Maybe I can get a good “cash price” if I hire Delay.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:27 pmto the ignorant, indictments seem to mean nothing to them. I will say one more thing about sociopaths, they don’t know what ethics even means.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:27 pm#124 – I guess it’s because the “right” side of the aisle has so vilified anyone on the “left” side for so long that when there’s a hint of wrong doing it must be true.
Actually, I think that DeLay hasn’t done anything other politicians haven’t done. He just made the political error of having sat on his high horse for so long and portrayed Democrats as being the only corruptible party that his come-uppance has come. When you act like your $h!t doesn’t stink, it gets really smelly when you get a good whif of it pilling up. He got caught with his hand pit-deep in the cookie jar, and wants everyone to look the other way while he brushes the crumbs off his entire arm.
By the way, Antagonist, have you ever actually met Rep. DeLay? You sound like he’s your next door neighbor.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:28 pm#117
Bruce Gorton,
Your warped little history lesson is irrelevent. DeLay was mentioning liberalism and conservatism in terms of ones view of government. Traditionally liberalism is for more taxes and bigger government, while conservatism is for less taxes and smaller government. Everyone knows this, why are trying to argue this point? Neither Delay nor myself was getting deeply philisophical about these terms—there was no need to. Liberalism in terms of government is an established term, with a specific meaning. Anyone with an ounce of sense understands this, but just look at all the liberals lining up to tell me I’m wrong.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:29 pmUh…Tom? Don’t you remember this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_involvement_in_the_Terri_Schiavo_case
June 9th, 2006 at 12:31 pmTom DeLay is a decent man—something you’ll never allow yourselves to see because you made him your enemy.
Comment by Antagonist — June 9, 2006 @ 12:17 pm
I don’t have a problem with ALL or even most Republicans in Congress and the Senate. If I did, then your statement would be valid. But, since this thread and discussion are about one guy out of all of them, who was convicted of crimes, you’re merely grasping at straws.
He’s not a decent man. You’re blinded by the need for him to be. Not the other way around.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:36 pm” The left is simply incapable of seeing anything good in their politcal opponents.”
That’s a blanket statement and as with all blanket statements, it is false.
I am a member of “the left” and I am capable of seeing good in /many/ people on the other side of the aisle. Thus your statement is false. QED.
Tom Delay, however, is not a political opponent in whom I can see anything worthy. Everything I have read about him has filled me with — to borrow a phrase from H. P. Lovecraft — unutterable loathing.
Is any of the above unclear or murky to you? I will be happy to explain any of the sentences in this post.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI don’t give a crap what the hell Tom DeLay has to say. The only important thing is that he is gone. Yes, he is going to be a lobbiest, so he will be behind the scenes. But, no longer will the republicans be able to extend a 4 minute vote to 45 minutes while “The Hammer” forces moderates to change their votes.
This is a good day.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:41 pm#118
Again, the telltale ad hominem attack that shows you have no facts or logic in your arsenal to counter with. You really guys need to come up with a new strategy for when you cannot offer a rebuttal to the issue. I’d suggest research and facts, but I know you don’t accept those either…
Comment by unbelievable — June 9, 2006 @ 12:05 pm
Do you remember saying this? You say it’s not my definition. But then you go on to use your definition. I get it. It’s all about you… Thanks for the clarification – though I already knew that about the far-right. They, afte all, invented the me generation.
I wasn’t using my own definition. I was using the same definition as DeLay—which is the established definition of liberalism. You in turn, are refusing to acknowlede this definition for the sake of being oppositional, while taking a swipe at me and the far right. (which I’m not) Then you want to lecture me about ad hominem, and of having no rebuttle. Tell me, how does one rebut someone who refuses to acknowledge the established definition of a word? You went off on a tangent, that’s why I called you unstable. Nothing I could say would suffice at that point.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:44 pmNeither Delay nor myself was getting deeply philisophical about these terms—there was no need to. Liberalism in terms of government is an established term, with a specific meaning. Anyone with an ounce of sense understands this, but just look at all the liberals lining up to tell me I’m wrong.
Comment by Antagonist — June 9, 2006 @ 12:29 pm
Thats because of the MSM, and those Idiots such as Coulter, whom go around saying Liberal this or Liberal that. They speak of Liberal in terms of morals. YOU are speaking in terms of Political Philosophy, [theory], you can hardly expect the masses, after your Pundits, to recognize that Fact.
Now, Antagonist, we have but turnd your Pundits, and the Word LIBERAL against you and your BIG GOVERNMENT Bushoviks.
DO NOT sit here and try NOW to Parse your words in such a way as you seem innocent of the Ignorant, and Idiotic attacks of they very Pundits you have embraced.
Is it the Masses Fault Delay is a Liberal, not in Politicaly Correct terms, but in “Pundit Speak”.
Quit your damn crying Antagonist. Your Pundits have brought this upon you. If its a Liberal it’s a crook right? And if its a crook, such as Delay ERGO It must be a LIBERAL.
LMAO at Big Gubberment GOoPer Corrupt Criminal ‘Liberals’
The Pundits have Revised the dictionary. Maybe you should make up a NEO-WORD for ‘Liberal’ Whin….err Antagonist.
Lame ass Politicians.
O BTW Antagonist we also know about your “Liberal”
groups or should I call you I-R-I ???
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The International Republican Institute, though billing itself as an independent nonprofit unaffiliated with the Republican Party, acts essentially as a wing of the GOP. Its is chaired by party presidential frontrunner Senator John McCain (R-AZ), and Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) and Representatives David Dreier (R-CA) and Jim Kolbe (R-AR) serve on its board of directors. Many of IRI’s high-ranking staff members have at some point worked directly for the Bush administration.
What makes these connections troubling is that the organization, nominally dedicated to nurturing free institutions in emerging democracies, has also been associated with unscrupulous and undemocratic campaign practices both at home and overseas.
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I-R-I, Mighty, Squishy, Antagonist, whatever your “handle” du jour is. Screw Off.
#64 Antagonist – And Delay does? You don’t know the meaning of the word. Our system of government is based on liberalism, that’s why it’s called a “liberal democracy.”
This one just makes me ripping mad. Not only are liberals supposed to be still and stay out of the nation’s business, now we have to be told what we are. f u, f Delay, f Bush, f Rumsfeld, f Gauleiter CHENEY, f your whole army of parasites.
Delay is a gaping A**hole.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:50 pmAntagonist
As liberals we get define our position. That is unless we get to define your position…
June 9th, 2006 at 12:50 pmI suppose he shouldn’t have dropped the soap. Sorry, couldn’t resist.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:52 pmwhich is the established definition of liberalism.
There are many definitions of liberalism. I compared my version with IRI’s one day. You saying there is an ‘established’ definition that matches your own is arrogant.
You in turn, are refusing to acknowlede this definition for the sake of being oppositional,
No, no, no. Stop thinking I think like you. I am being quite serious. Life is not absolutes. It is perception. Many persceptions that are not “The Truth”. That’s what I’m trying to explain. That you are missing that the present does not always follow the past. But as long as you drive while looking through the rear view mirror, because you know the way, you’ll miss the new intersection they put in… Clear yet?
Then you want to lecture me about ad hominem, and of having no rebuttle. Tell me, how does one rebut someone who refuses to acknowledge the established definition of a word?
Stop insisting that there’s an established definition of the word. You are arguing sematics – not the issue. The issue isn’t the definitions – but the realities, which have Republicans being big government.
You went off on a tangent, that’s why I called you unstable. Nothing I could say would suffice at that point.
Comment by Antagonist — June 9, 2006 @ 12:44 pm
Nonsense. No tangent and and I’m one of the most grounded people you’ll meet. You’re just having a problem with the fact that life is flexible, and that what held true yesterday may not apply today.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:57 pmIn the article linked to in #85, one sentence really stood out for me. “The Democrats have resorted to their usual method of turning to the courthouse, if they can’t win at the ballot box.” Or perhaps it was seeing how well it worked for the Republicans in 2000, when the Supreme Court made GWB the President, they decided to follow their fine example of how to use the courts to get what you want. Why should the Republicans be the only ones who get to do it? Because they thought of it first, perhaps?
June 9th, 2006 at 12:57 pmSYLLABICATION: lib·er·al·ism
PRONUNCIATION: lbr–lzm, lbr-
NOUN: 1. The state or quality of being liberal. 2a. A political theory founded on the natural goodness of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties, government by law with the consent of the governed, and protection from arbitrary authority. b. often Liberalism The tenets or policies of a Liberal party. 3. An economic theory in favor of laissez-faire, the free market, and the gold standard. 4. Liberalism a. A 19th-century Protestant movement that favored free intellectual inquiry, stressed the ethical and humanitarian content of Christianity, and de-emphasized dogmatic theology. b. A 19th-century Roman Catholic movement that favored political democracy and ecclesiastical reform but was theologically orthodox.
June 9th, 2006 at 12:59 pmNoam Chomsky calls the Bush Regime and folks like Tom Delay “Neo-liberals” because they have perverted the old liberal philosophy into a new version that replaces ‘the people’ with ‘the rich’… Think about it. It’s pretty accurate.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:06 pmunbelievable
“But, since this thread and discussion are about one guy out of all of them, who was convicted of crimes, you’re merely grasping at straws.”
I must have missed that news day, I was under the impression he is just indicted.
“Noam Chomsky calls the Bush Regime and folks like Tom Delay “Neo-liberals—
June 9th, 2006 at 1:13 pmNoam Chomsky also called Nixon the last truly liberal president.
Quit your damn crying Antagonist.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:14 pmYour Pundits have brought this upon you.
If its a Liberal it’s a immoral crook right? And if its a immoral crook, such as Delay ERGO It must be a LIBERAL, Right? Right.
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The International Republican Institute [I-R-I], though billing itself as an independent nonprofit unaffiliated with the Republican Party, [cough, cough] acts essentially as a wing of the GOP. Its is chaired by party presidential frontrunner Senator John McCain (R-AZ), and Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) and Representatives David Dreier (R-CA) and Jim Kolbe (R-AR) serve on its board of directors. Many of IRI’s high-ranking staff members have at some point worked directly for the Bush administration.
What makes these connections troubling is that the organization, nominally dedicated to nurturing free institutions in emerging democracies, has also been associated with unscrupulous and undemocratic campaign practices both at home and overseas.
In December 2004, I-R-I contracted [Cough Cough] with Tony Marsh and Lance Copsey of the media consulting firm Marsh, Copsey & Scott to set up a Baghdad Media Center on behalf of the U.S. State Department.[Cough choke Cough] Its stated purpose was to assist Iraqi political parties and candidates in the upcoming January elections. [Cough, Democracy?l Cough]
Earlier that year, in January 2004, Marsh Copsey & Scott (now Marsh Copsey & Associates) had registered the domain name crushkerry.com, run by their senior account executive, Patrick Hynes.[Cough Cough]
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A political theory founded on the natural goodness [not I-R-I] of humans and the autonomy of the individual and favoring civil and political liberties [Unitary Executive is BS], government by law with the consent of the governed [Salus Populi], and protection from arbitrary authority.[Warrantless Wiretaps, Unitary Executive]
-=Thanks madashell=-
This is the established definition;
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Liberal
I think Antagonist, you have just been PWNed, by Dictionary.com no less.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:15 pm#75
If I had a penny for every time I’ve been nickled and dimed by these silver dollar Republicans I could pay a quarter of the national debt…
Comment by lever long enough
You haven’t seen anything yet, wait until the Democrats have control of the house.
Comment by Antagonist #105
Yeah lever,
…at least with the Democrats in control…
…SOME of those nickels and dimes…
…will get into YOUR pocket…
…and NOT to immediately give to the oil and gas gods of your choice…
June 9th, 2006 at 1:17 pmIs anybody else looking at this and just, wondering? Whatever happened to I-Right-I anyway?
June 9th, 2006 at 1:19 pmNope.
Good riddance
June 9th, 2006 at 1:20 pmSpudge_Boy
The thing is, I actually didn’t realise he really was getting paid to post that drivel. I mean, sure I might have joked about it a bit, but, WTF?
June 9th, 2006 at 1:24 pmSquishy shut up.
No one, but no one buys your “theory”
A] Your a ‘Kid’
B] Your Just a ‘Pundit Parrot’
C] Your words come from a fax machine
D] You contradict yourself daily.
E] You Lie.
F] You have nothing to offer.
All this Adds up too equal;
You Suck Squishypoop
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Is anybody else looking at this and just, wondering? Whatever happened to I-Right-I anyway?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 9, 2006 @ 1:19 pm
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IRI and his gropie groupies have had their legs kicked out from under them.
The Yellow Sycophant Continues….
June 9th, 2006 at 1:27 pmTrinary Suka Says
Sapere Aude!!
Bruce
“I actually didn’t realise he really was getting paid to post that drivel. I mean, sure I might have joked about it a bit, but, WTF?”
Come again? Is that just you assuming he was? And if he really was, how do I sign up.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:28 pmGoodbye and don’t let the door hit you in the A$$ on the way out
June 9th, 2006 at 1:32 pmI must have missed that news day, I was under the impression he is just indicted.
Yes, you’re right – indicted. (Gonna mark this in your calendar aren’t you). Go ahead.
Noam Chomsky also called Nixon the last truly liberal president.
Comment by squegeeboo — June 9, 2006 @ 1:13 pm
Where?
June 9th, 2006 at 1:39 pmOh lord. That’s the same old Tom that cost me my first Hill job (redistricting). This guy is a real piece of work.
Let him have his rhetoric in his speech and his one last attack. It’s appropriate: let him end with the poison on his tongue that he tainted the House with.
Like Machiavelli said (paraphrasing): Words and stated intentions don’t matter. Only results of actions matter, power increased or power lost. Delay “intended” to fight for “human freedom and dignity.” What he did was lose power, and undermine people’s faith in democracy. Both Republicans and American democracy in general lost power because of Tom Delay in the end….now both are compromised.
Don’t let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:41 pmunbelievable
Where?
http://www.zmag.org/ZMag/articles/chomskyjune2000.htm
June 9th, 2006 at 1:43 pmIs anybody else looking at this and just, wondering? Whatever happened to I-Right-I anyway?
Comment by Bruce Gorton — June 9, 2006 @ 1:19 pm
IRI was having trouble posting here. So, I sent him to another website.
Antagonist is more serious than IRI, who was joking most of the time. They aren’t the same.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:43 pmCome again? Is that just you assuming he was? And if he really was, how do I sign up.
Comment by squegeeboo — June 9, 2006 @ 1:28 pm
MA is the only one who has admitted to being a paid troll, that I am aware of. IRI was here just like you Squeegie, because he liked to argue and make jokes. You’re just a couple deacdes of reality away from being as cynical as he is… :)
June 9th, 2006 at 1:47 pmThey are going to love his virgin butt ? With his little pretty mouth.
June 9th, 2006 at 1:49 pmhttp://www.zmag.org/ ZMag/ articles/ chomskyjune2000.htm
Comment by squegeeboo — June 9, 2006 @ 1:43 pm
Could you be a tad more specific? That’s a long article for me to find your reference…
June 9th, 2006 at 1:49 pmCould you be a tad more specific? That’s a long article for me to find your reference…
“In contrast, when Richard Nixon—in many respects the last liberal president”
June 9th, 2006 at 2:03 pmNear the bottom of it.
#144
I’m not sure why I bother, but seeing that you insist on avoiding the point, I’ve copied an explanation of conservatism and liberalism so you can see the various attributes for yourself. It’s geared for teenagers, so you should be able to understand it. Notice the “In favor of big government and bureaucracies” and the “Opposed to tax cuts” under liberalsim.
Here’s the link in case you think I’m making this up.
http://www.politicsforteens.com/features/conservative-liberal.html
Conservatism vs. Liberalism
The terms ‘conservative’ and ‘liberal’ are used quite frequently nowadays. But, what do they mean? In our exclusive feature, we break down the two terms and allow you to determine on which side of the political spectrum you fall.
One thing that PoliticsForTeens.com strongly advocates is tolerance. Contrary to belief, there is nothing “wrong” with being a far-right conservative or a far-left liberal. As long as you remain true to yourself when expressing your beliefs, you should never be criticized for favoring one political ideology.
Additionally, you don’t “have” to agree with the conservative or liberal philosophy for every issue. In fact, it’s rare, but not impossible, that you will be strictly conservative or liberal.
Conservatism (The Right-Wing)
Generally traditional – support traditional values, “Leave It To Beaver” family, etc.
Theoretically opposed to ‘change,’ but many policies do require modifications
Often, but not always, in favor of religious values and virtues
In favor of the rights of the individual; opposed to a large federal government
States-rights advocates
Strict construction of the constitution
Nationalist; support strong military, respect for police
In favor of big business/capitalism
Example issues:
- Opposed to abortion
- Opposed to affirmative action
- Opposed to legalizing gay marriage
- Opposed to significant changes in gun control
- In favor of the death penalty
- In favor of defense buildups
- In favor of tax cuts
- In favor of privatizing social security
- In favor of promoting the “traditional family”
- Not outright opposed to unions, but against giving them too much power
- Trust businesses over bureaucracies
Liberalism (The Left-Wing)
In favor of change
Believe in secularity; government should not impose religious morals on citizens
In favor of big government and bureaucracies
In favor of only mild nationalism
Large activists of freedom of speech and the press
Strong supporters of civil liberties, while also favoring governmental intervention
Favor free trade but against strong capitalism
Loose construction of constitution
Example issues:
- In favor of abortion
- In favor of affirmative action
- In favor of increased gun controls
- In favor of legalizing gay marriage
- Opposed to the death penalty
- Opposed to defense buildups
- Opposed to tax cuts
- Opposed to privatizing social security and healthcare
- Opposed to government promoting the “traditional family”
- Strong supporters of unions
- Distrust businesses when compared with the government
The Gist Of The Matter:
June 9th, 2006 at 2:38 pmGenerally, conservatives believe in a traditional and virtuous society with little government intervention. They are also highly in favor of the private industry. Liberals prefer big government and are opposed to big business.
This is delay doing his best ann coulter.
This lousy excuse for a man is of no importance, and in the political realm he is dead.
But the timing of his biting remarks has us all talking about him rather than dealing with the continuing falling bush polls, the plame investigation, the fake-zarqawi blitz (he looks remarkably well for a man killed by one (or two) enormous bombs that obliterated his hideout…
Ignore him. Ignore them all. They ignore us, that’s how they do it. Sure, they have the MSM, but we have THIS.
Please, on to something that matters. Get back on track.
Impeachment…. That’s a good topic.
June 9th, 2006 at 2:47 pmsuch as this atagonistic fool
Suffer Little Children
June 9th, 2006 at 2:49 pmUS evangelists are twisting the Bible to say that beating the young is a Christian doctrine
by Giles Fraser
I heard Ann Coulter on the radio yesterday. I am serious as a heart attack here. Is she for real? She is living in an alternate part of the universe and it does not include anyone but the poor suckers that agree with her. Very, very short on gray matter.
June 9th, 2006 at 2:51 pm“In contrast, when Richard Nixon—in many respects the last liberal presidentâ€
Near the bottom of it.
Comment by squegeeboo — June 9, 2006 @ 2:03 pm
That’s not the same as what you said. ‘in many respects’ alters the meaning of the sentance. Which means that he was saying that comparedto what came next, Nixon was more liberal than the democrats. Not the same as you infered.
‘Neo’ anything is usually a poor substitute of the original (fundamentalism). Calling them neo-liberals is NOT a compliment.
June 9th, 2006 at 2:54 pmAntagonist -
I would guess that what I would call a “virtuous society” would GREATLY differ from your own vision of same.
Therefore your use of the term “virtuous” is worse than meaningless.
Thanks.
June 9th, 2006 at 2:55 pmI’m not sure why I bother, but seeing that you insist on avoiding the point, I’ve copied an explanation of conservatism and liberalism
Comment by Antagonist — June 9, 2006 @ 2:38 pm
Dear god (and I don’t believe in one), you are thick. I’m not avoiding the point at all – I just disagree with it. While you argue sematics from the past and refuse to pay attention to the realities of the present…
June 9th, 2006 at 2:57 pm#160 – If “conservatives” are so much against big government, then why did they usher in the largest increase in big government since they’ve been in total control over the past 6 years? Hmm?
They’ve increased discretionary spending since 2001. They’ve increased the role of big government over state government more in the past six years than they’ve ever accused “liberals” of doing over the past 60 years.
Seems to me that your definitions are backwards. Than again, you’ll alter your version of history to fit your prejudices.
June 9th, 2006 at 2:58 pm#162,
If I recall the Bible — a very old and not terribly coherent or consistent novel — it is really not necessary to twist it much in order to make it “support” a whole range of grotesque behaviors.
Or what I, anyway, would call grotesque behaviors. My “Antagonist”ic friend would probably term these same behaviors “good business practices.”
June 9th, 2006 at 3:00 pmSuffer Little Children
US evangelists are twisting the Bible to say that beating the young is a Christian doctrine
by Giles Fraser
Comment by madashell — June 9, 2006 @ 2:49 pm
There’s a new study that shows a correlation between children who were physically dominated by their parents and obesity (eating is the way to distract and comfort the emotional stress of being beaten). As we grow fatter as a nation. our level of illnesses compared to other Industrialized Nations, is excessive. You can thank the Christians…
Animals don’t beat their children. They also don’t have jails… just us.
June 9th, 2006 at 3:02 pm#163 – As for Ann Coulter, all you have to do is look at the one work title to her books to see how she’s writing.
“Slander” is her slandering everyone with whom she disagrees.
“Treason” is her making treasonous statements about everyone with whom she disagrees.
“Godless†must be about her inability to attend a church.
Ann Coulter is the brainless harpy of the ultra-radical reich-whiners.
June 9th, 2006 at 3:02 pmAntagonist,
Lets try this again, but with a different “subject” and the wording you prefer:
Name 1 thing that Tom DeLay has done for the good of the country.
(As you may notice i have removed the word “irrefutable”, so have at it.)
June 9th, 2006 at 3:17 pm#166
June 9th, 2006 at 3:23 pmUnbelievable, you’ve made a mistake. I was addressing Bruce Gorton In #144 who posted several definitions of liberal for me—while missing the key attributes Ive been refering to.
Have a nice weekend:)
Have a nice weekend:)
Comment by Antagonist — June 9, 2006 @ 3:23 pm
It’s Santo’s rants messing up the numbers… why I stopped using them. When posts get deleted, the references no longer make sense..
You too :)
June 9th, 2006 at 3:26 pmScrew DeLay and the horse he rode in on. He’s in no position to attack, what with one foot in the slammer. Good riddance you slime ball POS.
June 9th, 2006 at 3:57 pmHere Delay, gone tomorrow(actually today).
June 9th, 2006 at 4:25 pmFrom a bug exterminator. Now we all hope he is “exterminated to prison”, where he belongs
June 9th, 2006 at 5:32 pmWhat’s the difference between Tom DeLay and al Zarqawi? Not a helluva lot, I’ve found.
June 9th, 2006 at 6:50 pmBye, Bye – Asshole!
June 9th, 2006 at 8:52 pmAntagonist
Hey those weren’t just my definition that was what dictionary.com defines liberal as. Of course, when looking up what a word actually means, conservatives seem to be most opposed to dictionaries, it is too much like consulting an expert.
June 10th, 2006 at 6:56 amyou little whining sniveleing leftards are soooo funny here. get yourselves a tissue and clean up ya bunch of psuedo commies. Delay is gone but there will be another conservative to take his place. has not the elections of the last 12 years educated you on anything? the democratic party which has been taken over by the kook-fringe left ( like you) will never be in power again. YOU LOST LEFTARDS get used to it. America is a free country and will never be communist. Reading the posts here is like looking at dog vomit on the sidewalk. I cannot beleive the immature ramblings and sheer stupidity.No wonder democrats can never win eleections but that is good for America.
June 10th, 2006 at 9:28 amChris, You could use an enema…
June 10th, 2006 at 10:23 amunbelievable- with friends like you who needs enemas.
June 10th, 2006 at 10:35 amliberals – the new nazis.
America needs an enema to rid itself of the liberal leftards who want to turn America into a third world socialist country.
Chris, Chris, Chris -
This reads like all of your other posts: angry, half-witted and very very young. It even recycles some of the same snot-nosed insults. Pity.
Is the problem that you don’t have any ideas – just anger? I can imagine your frustration.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:26 amAntagonist is more serious than IRI, who was joking most of the time. They aren’t the same.
Comment by unbelievable #153
unbelievable,
There is no difference btwn IRI and Antichrist…
…they’re BOTH jokes…
June 10th, 2006 at 7:45 pmDear Antagonist – THANK YOU!!! I could find no factoid in the politicforteens explanation that could be disagreed with by the Left or Right. And then I noted the “moral relativism” of the definition of “virtue by the subjective Dr. Becker and I knew the hair-splitting would begin….
June 10th, 2006 at 8:21 pmDear Antagonist – THANK YOU!!! I could find no factoid in the politicforteens explanation that could be disagreed with by the Left or Right. And then I noted the “moral relativism” of the definition of “virtue” by the subjective Dr. Becker and I knew the hair-splitting would begin….
But for raving lunacy and thoroughly twisted “logic” (HA!) jurASSicpork takes today’s prize!!! (After reading your Tom Delay/Zarqawi “comparison”, might I suggest your friends and family enlist the help of an interventionist and get you to re-hab FAST.)
June 10th, 2006 at 8:27 pmI am glad to see that Mighty Hypocrite could find no factoid in the postings here, since
June 11th, 2006 at 11:07 amthe American Heritage Dictionary defines “factoid” not as a “littel fact”–a common misusage–but as an “Unverified or inaccurate information that is presented in the press as factual, often as part of a publicity effort, and that is then accepted as true because of constant repetition.”
And Jurassicpork, feel honored that you won Mighty’s top prize today, as it means that your satire was actually quite good and on the mark.
why is everybody here so upset at Delay attacking liberals?? attacking liberals is like beating a dead horse. The liberals are a dead horse in this country. the last few elections have proven that the democrats, because they have taken in the hard left wing kook fringe are a dying party.
June 11th, 2006 at 6:27 pmthe rabid nutty logic by the self appointed defenders of liberals here prove my point.
go ahead and attack my logic – it does not negate the fact that liberalism and it’s evil socialist twin “progressive” are a dying ideology.
Dear Chris – You are so RIGHT (pun intended!!) At least the socialists of old have the chutzpah to call themselves “socialists”….The only thing many progressives here seem capable of doing is pulling the covers up over their heads – and whining……
June 11th, 2006 at 6:39 pmTROLL ALERT,
June 11th, 2006 at 9:40 pmI suggest that everyone ignore Chris. There’s no point in debating a person who only spews the same bile, calling liberals “communists” though no one here has called for the end to private property, and insisting the he/she is right, all in very poor spelling and grammar.
Tom Delay’s final blathering in the People’s House is a cruel testament to the surprisingly shameful naivete of oh so many duped citizen voters of Texas, who continued to elect the crook time and time again. Could it be that the departure of “Delay the Dumb” is but a prelude to the similarly deserved, and even more overdue, “dumping” of the state’s other unrepentent shooting star … “George the Dumber”????
June 12th, 2006 at 2:30 pmI’m a fundamental Christian who happens to be a Democrat. I see nothing but hypocrisy in the Republican party with gross abuse of the fundamental tenants of Christianity and the Word of God. All said by them is nothing more than propaganda to gain support and votes, all the while stealing, killing and destroying our country! Delay is a man who seems to have no conscious and zero repentant spirit before God and man about anything he’s done! I’m amazed of his arrogance and lack of moral fiber. One thing for sure – pride comes before a fall.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:28 amHallie,
June 13th, 2006 at 3:39 amI have always known that there are fundamentalist Christians out there like you, and I’m glad that you decided to post here. There is indeed nothing Christian about the way the current Rethugs ignore the poor and downthrodden, while helping the rich to get even richer. Blessings!
HOGS GET FAT ” PIGS GET SLAUGHTERED” TOM LOOKS LIKE YOU HAVE LOST ALL YOUR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HOW IS LAUGHING NOW??????????????????
June 14th, 2006 at 7:00 amWhy isn’t every post on this webpage about the fact that Democrat US Senator Robert Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan? Pure and simple it’s hypocrisy. He’s “one of ours” so we won’t bring it up. Were Byrd a Republican his resignation would have been a common rallying cry from all liberals for decades. Instead we have silence from the hypocritical “progressives”. Clean up your own house.
June 16th, 2006 at 11:33 amJohn if that is your only example of a “progressive” fault or short comming you are going to have to dig alittle deeper than that!! Don’t get me started on the “Bush Crime Family”
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