Matalin Defends Coulter’s Attack on 9/11 Widows
Matalin Defends Coulter’s Attack on 9/11 Widows
Yesterday on Imus, Mary Matlin — a former counselor to Vice President Cheney and an influential strategist for the White House — defended Ann Coulter’s vicious attack on the 9/11 widows. (In a new book, Coulter says the widows are “enjoying their husband’s deaths.”)
Matalin passed on multiple opportunities from Imus to condemn or distance herself from Coulter’s comments. (Instead, Matalin said she agreed with Coulter’s “larger point.”) She also argued the outrage against Coulter was misplaced, saying “She calls somebody a harpy and you’d think that the world was on fire.” Watch it:
Transcript:
IMUS: What did you make of the Ann Counter deal?
MATLIN: I take her larger point that in the absence of being able to make persuasive arguments you throw out messengers that — can’t be — it’s politically incorrection to argue with, you know the verbiage is a little, a little stressful.
IMUS: So you thought her comments about these women…
MATLIN: I take her larger point, which is —
IMUS: Why can’t you comment on her calling these women harpies.
MATLIN: Because that’s not her point. That’s completely not her point.
IMUS: Well no, but saying that they were happy their husbands got killed and were going to divorce them. And yeah, that they’re getting long in the tooth. Maybe they ought to think about appearing in Playboy, which is an option.
MATLIN: What do you think about her point? Her point that you can’t — you know Cindy Sheehan — if you throw yourself in the political arena, then you should be able to address political issues, and people should be able to speak back to you.
IMUS: I agree with her point.
MATLIN: Well, then that’s what I agree with.
IMUS: But i think it’s repugnant and repulsive and gutless to, and cheap and cheesey to call these women all these names. I mean, whether it’s right or not, it’s just something there’s just. You don’t go there.
MATLIN: That’s her stock and trade.
IMUS: But i’m surprised that you won’t condemn her for these repugnant remarks.
MATLIN: I don’t know her. I haven’t read the book.
IMUS: You don’t have to know her. You know what Hitler did. Did you you him? You condemn what he did.
MATLIN: Are you comparing her to Hitler?
IMUS: No, I’m not. Of course not.
MATLIN: This is the point. This is complete the point she’s making. These lefty crazy people go around calling us [unintelligible] and Hitlers and Nazis and everything and nobody say anything. She calls somebody a harpy and you’d think that the whole world was on fire.
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June 10th, 2006 at 11:18 amOne harpy supporting another harpy. Did anyone really expect her to condemn Coulter?
June 10th, 2006 at 11:23 amMary Matalin, along with many of the blonde bimbos who shill for the BushCo is outrageous in her own right. Something about Republicanism calls for their women to be mean-spirited snipes, indeed, harpies, themselves.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:26 amCan’t we just ignore Ann Coulter?
June 10th, 2006 at 11:27 amGood. Let’s tie the right to Coulter’s hate speech and insanity with tighter and tighter shoelaces. Most Americans recognize that most of what Mann Coulter spews is twisted invective from a parallel universe. It seems the right-wing pundits can’t see the differnce between that and honest commentary, perhaps because they inhabit the same bizarre realm.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:28 am“She calls somebody a harpy and you’d think that the world was on fire.”
This from a fellow harpy. Harpies gotta stick together, ya know.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:28 amMaybe Matalin didn’t notice, since she’s busy fulfilling her harpy duties, but the world IS on fire.
Maher slaps his johnson on AC’s forehead and wipes his outboard on the drapes. James does the same with the nasal whiner. No wonder why these women hate everbody.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:31 amPlease, stop following down every rabbit hole thrown our way by the right. They intend to keep us talking about this instead of poll numbers, the inconsistencies of Al Zarqawi’s murder, NSA wiretapping….
There are so many more things going on. Let them lie to each other and build glass houses. We don’t matter to them, nothing we say matters to them, so why are you giving so much time to their shit?
Stop it I beg of you. Ignore the ignorant. It’s the best thing you can do.
Why give print space to venting since we can do that in our heads ourselves?
June 10th, 2006 at 11:31 amScary Mary is one of those TWO Bag Women.One for HER and One for YOU just in Case HERS Falls OFF.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:36 amMz Coulters remarks are insensative and inflamatory, I think the Jersey Girls are owed an apology, I certainly hope Mz Coulter is circumspect enough to give one? The remarks are not welcome framed in the context of an event that sent America to war.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:37 amAnn Coulter is as important as flag burning. Who gives a rip. Let’s talk about something important. Like winning back congress.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:41 amI can’t believe they are letting these republican apologists get away with saying “I agree with her point, but not necessarily her language”. The supposed point being that democrats put forth “victims” to make points and that you somehow can’t talk back to “victims”. Ok. And so tell me then, how do republicans deal with democratic “experts”? Swift-boating, and ad hominen character assassination. Its what they have always done. John Kerry? Swiftboat him. Jack Murtha? Call him a coward on the floor of the house. Average Joe America protests against the war? Say he loves terrorists. They even do it to other republicans. John McCain? He’s crazy, and has out of wedlock children with black women. Whats so ridiculous is entertaining this woman’s “point” at all. Oh, and last night Olbermann pointed out how on September 13, 2001, Coulter printed a long article which used Ted Olson’s wife death on 9-11 as justification for indiscriminate bombing in the middle east. Talk about using the dead before they have cooled. What hypocrisy! Why dont any of these idiots stand up to this woman?
June 10th, 2006 at 11:46 amI haven’t trusted Carville since he married Matalin. Husbands and wives can have different careers, but this is ridiculous. There has to be a line somewhere.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:46 am#8 - I agree with you on a basic level, Ken, but consider this: Gore took the high road, and look where it got him; Kerry took the high road, and look where it took us. We too often take the high road, because most of crap the right is flinging is just that — crap.
But you forget the diehard sheep among us, the ones who stop thinking at the words “abortion,” “gay marriage,” “stem cell research,” etc., the (now) 30%. They feed on the lies and filth spewed by the right.
Our downfall is we either don’t respond at all, making the wingnuts think whatever they’re being fed must be true, or we respond to a ridiculous level — to the exclusion of everything else. And while we’re doing that, the right sticks it to us big time. We have to find our balance — NOW.
June 10th, 2006 at 11:47 amThe world’s not on fire. Just her pants.
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June 10th, 2006 at 11:49 amDoes anyone remember when Pat Buchanan represented the ultra conservative right wing of the Republican Party?
I listen to him now on the Mclaughlin Group and he sounds like a moderate.
It is sad how far right wing talking head nutjob extreamists like Coulter And Limbaugh have been able to move the the line of acceptability.
They are destroying our country:(
June 10th, 2006 at 11:51 amright on, zookeeper - excellent point…
sometimes i just want to ignore these things also, but posts like yours - and hindsight - remind me why it’s so important to fight back…
and about the harpy - “it takes one to know one” - not?
June 10th, 2006 at 11:57 amoh! - i got that wrong (takes one to…) !!!
June 10th, 2006 at 12:01 pmwhile that’s true, i thought… oh… never mind…
I DO NOT THINK ANY OF THE 9/11 WIDOWS ARE HARPIES…
but matalin and coulter ARE…
The line in the sand is made manifest by their own words. This has quickly become more than a war of ideology. The distinction between good and evil has been illuminated for all to see.
They want us to believe that they represent the majority.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:09 pmThe truth is, they are the minority. They have always been the minority. Only through the most insidious manipulation have they conned us into believing otherwise.
It’s not necessarily the verbal diareaha that these right wing bimbos engage in that is bothersome to me. It can be expected that anytime a mic is put in front of them something outrageous and way beyond the pale will spew out, it’s what they do.
What bothers me the most is that a major network and the front men lackies that work for it are more than willing to give them a national platform to spin the garbage that they put out. As far as I am concerned people should be speaking out against the Matt Lauers, Don Imus’s, Chris Matthews etc.
It has been known for quite sometime that if it’s Sunday it is no longer Meet The Press, more like if it is Sunday it is now Meet The Right Wing. Well the Today has made that shift as well. If you look at just the past few months and who has been on the Today show ala the ex Fluff and Nutter team of Matt and Katie you will see a whole host of these right wingnuts, O’Reilly, Coulter, Matlin and on and on etc. Yes the left has been somewhat represented mostly for show, certainly no way near as much as the right been given to present their side of things. When anyone from the left is on the Today show they are usually met with contmept.
This is not likely to change anytime soon.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:11 pmIt’s another sign of how the nasty diviciveness travels all the way to “professionals”, pundits, politicians, etc. nowadays. I watched a 21min excerpt of a CNN Crossfire show, from 1986. Both sides were much more cordial than nowadays. And it was Robert Novak from the right, and a guy, last name Braden from the left. The 2 guests, Frank Zappa and some Neocon, really went at it though.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:11 pmShe’s a skank, and she’s why I wouldn’t trust Carville to have anything to do with another Democratic campaign.
I wish those two would just enter into some kind of suicide pact and leave the rest of us alone.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:12 pmMaybe all the nasty drama these days is for ratings and $$$, at the expense of the general populace seeing it as fact, and not the entertainment it really is.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:17 pmFunny how they accuse the left of declaring a war on the holy and wholesome Christmas and Easter,(pure fantasy holidays for children and sheep), and come out against REAL poor vulnerable widows who’s husbands lives were in part taken by Bushco’s incompetency. (Incompetency;giving the benefit of the doubt)
June 10th, 2006 at 12:18 pmthe world WAS on fire on 9/11, you stupid beyotch… it’s wrong to speak in such a way about the widows, regardless of their political activities… Coulter and Matalin don’t seem to get that as they say,”Yeah, but…” there are no buts here… it’s common decency…
June 10th, 2006 at 12:19 pmMatalin must have a book coming out.
I bet it’s not about make-overs.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:22 pmoh! - i got that wrong (takes one to…) !!!
while that’s true, i thought… oh… never mind…
I DO NOT THINK ANY OF THE 9/11 WIDOWS ARE HARPIES…
but matalin and coulter ARE…
Comment by katy
Damn, katy, I’m glad you cleared that up, because I thought you were calling me a harpy. ;)
June 10th, 2006 at 12:24 pmAND I DDO NOT THINK THAT ZOOKEEPER IS A HARPY EITHER!!!
June 10th, 2006 at 12:25 pmThe wing nuts are just mad that people with credentials are arguing against them. I’m sure they wish we lefties were all a bunch of granola eating hippies who never stepped foot out of the commune. Then they could argue with us on the issues.
But asking them to argue issues with people with standing in the argument? That is asking too much of them.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:27 pm#29 - Too funny, katy. Is that your Santo impression? Assuming that’s you, of course. ;)
June 10th, 2006 at 12:29 pmoh man… gawd no, no santo… sorry…
June 10th, 2006 at 12:30 pmNo zoo, I’m just a guy who’s been singing protest songs since November 2004.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:30 pmI bet it’s not about make-overs.
Comment by AnAmerican
*shudder*
June 10th, 2006 at 12:33 pmI’d like to get at that hag with a scrub brush and some hot water, or give her a gift card for a professional makeup artist.
I don’t remember Cultwhore complaining about Bush standing behind 911 family members and parents of fallen soldiers at many of his campaign rallies.
I guess only victim family members that support the war are allowed to have any opinions.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:34 pm#33 - I’m not sure what you’re responding to, cynical ex-hippie, but I’m glad you’re singing protest songs!
June 10th, 2006 at 12:37 pmI guess only victim family members that support the war are allowed to have any opinions.
Comment by G.W.SuperChrist
Now you’re getting it!
June 10th, 2006 at 12:39 pmThat’s right superchrist, in their world view every 9/11 victim and soldier is with them, and their opponents are all cowards who don’t know anything. The fact that the people they thought were with them are now against them is throwing them into a tailspin.
They don’t want to argue against people who actually have first hand knowledge of the issues.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:39 pmWhere is the public outrage? I seem to remember when the Dixie Chicks made a comment about G. W. Bush they were ban from radio, their CDs burned and stomped on. I guess it was because they are Godless unlike holier than thou Ann Coulter
June 10th, 2006 at 12:39 pmTom, what bothers me isn’t the guy who says it.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:39 pmIt isn’t the guy who broadcasts it.
It isn’t even the guy who defends it.
It is the guy who really believes it.
Watching TV news is like reading National Enquirer.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:42 pmSometimes NE gets a scoop, but most of the time it’s just soapopera sensationalistic “entertainment” that gives more time to liars than to truth tellers. Witness CNN censoring the right-on remarks the father of Berg, who Zarqawi purportedly beheaded.
Boycott MSM.
#38 The problem is the right wing has much more hate and anger in reserve. We lefties value peace and love, which puts us at a disadvantage in any shouting match.
Of course, this same value is what causes most innovation to happen in liberal parts of the country, and that’s what keeps our economy going despite Dubya’s dangerous fiscal policies.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:43 pmYou’re the “harpy” Ms. Matalin. Yeah, of course the GOP will defend their #1 fan after she blows up. The Dems sttod up for the lunatic Ward Churchill after he trashed 9/11 victims too. Oh, wait - They didn’t . What a bunch of slimy hypocrites.
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June 10th, 2006 at 12:44 pmAN OUTRIGHT THREAT AGAINST ANN COULTER.
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[…] The shit rolls downhill. […]
June 10th, 2006 at 12:50 pmLC Liberal, Ward Chruchill’s speech is just as slimy and disgusting as Coulter’s. The difference is that Dems will condemn Churchill and Coulter’s words, while supporting their right to speak them. Reps would try to eliminate the right to speak the words at all. Just because we have a right to free speech, doesn’t mean there will be no objection or consequences for exercising that right.
June 10th, 2006 at 12:56 pmMatalin is a nasty bitch just like Coulter! I will never understand WHY James Carville married her? He has been castrated as a political consultant for the Democrats > last book he wrote was so dull and stupid, that Mary probably dictated the crap to him!
June 10th, 2006 at 1:00 pmJay, I just figured the sex must be fantastic, but I could never work out for which one. Ick.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:04 pm42 - I stand behind Ward Churchill!
He did not trash 911 victims - he simply made the point that if a country allows their military and their industry to become inseparably intertwined that the industry counts as a tactical target for attack… the innocent victims are as our government likes to say “collateral damage  the same as when we bombs weapons manufacturing plants… the workers inside are not part of the military but they are supporting the military machine… their deaths are collateral damage.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:04 pmThis is the kind of hateful attitude we need to expose among the right. Whether it’s Coulter’s books, the millions of conservatives who enjoy them (hate, when cathartic, is actually quite enjoyable), or death threats against musicians who speak liberal opinions.
There’s a reason why, when ambitious politicians need to pillory someone for political gain, they choose liberals. We’re not as violent and more likely to respond with reason and less likely to respond with violence or hate. That makes us safe targets for people like DeLay. You don’t see any liberal Congressmen advising DeLay to wear a bullet proof vest if he ever visits their home district.
If red state conservatives did a little more Zen meditation and a little less listening to hate radio in rush hour traffic we’d all be better off.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:04 pmMatalin and Carville are living proof that the other one is certifiable. Tracy and Hepburn from “Adam’s Rib” they ain’t.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:05 pmAnd while we’re doing that, the right sticks it to us big time. We have to find our balance — NOW.
Comment by Zookeeper — June 10, 2006 @ 11:47 am
Well said Pippi!
June 10th, 2006 at 1:07 pmIn her next interview, someone ask Coulter if she thinks John Walsh or Patti Wetterling are glad their children were abducted or whether Jim Brady and his wife are glad he got shot in the head or whether she thinks Christopher Reed and his wife were happy that he became a paraplegic. She hates these particular women because they dare question Emporer Bush. The idea that they are taking advantage of their husbands’ deaths is only the entre to her pathological hatred of any public figure to the left of Hermann Goering. And, as she knows all too well, spreading hatred and devisiveness in Bush’s America opens the the elevator door to fame and fortune.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:07 pm#47 It’s your right to support Churchill, but Eichman knew the direct line to slavery execution of the people on his list. Nobody in the twin towers had such a list. If their business caused suffering and death, it was not on their balance sheets. At worst we can still give them the benefit of the doubt that if they were asked to actually sign a mass execution order they would start browsing monster.com for a less evil career.
That said, if Churchill’s point was that the 9/11 hijackers saw us this way, then he may be right about that. It’s still not a nice thing to say, and the way I heard him explain it on Bill Maher, one could say that about anyone who as a white collar job in industrialized society. That nullifies any point and make it simply an insult. Not that I care what every professor in every little college town has ever written about anything.
It was the right wing who gave Churchill celebrity status.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:11 pmDubya Dunce Decider Plays Games!
Saturday 10th of June 2006
by Jay Randal
Everything the Bush Regime does are subterfuge and lies, but why do members of the Congress play along?
Every time Dubya gets in a jam somebody helps him out, like Sen. Arlen Specter covering up his NSA lies, or Sen. Joe Lieberman defending the Iraq quagmire!
Even the Pentagon comes to the rescue of Bush Junior whenever approval of his warfare drops below 30%, like staging demise of a mythical terrorist Zarqawi!
The vile games being played in Washington, DC, are seriously harming the entire nation, by bankrupting the treasury while slashing every social program too!
Nobody in our nation’s capital can claim ignorance to everything dirty that is transpiring, because most of the corruption is boiling to the surface in plain view!
The press tries to sweep the dirt under the rug, but its a huge pile of crap which bulges up and keeps spilling out, so most Americans notice the filth and the slime!
VOTERS ARE ANGRY!
( Jay Randal, political activist and writer in Stone Mountain, Georgia.)
June 10th, 2006 at 1:16 pmAs usual, ThinkProgress forgets half the facts in their effort to whip up the moonbats into a froth-mouthed fury. Ann Coulter DID not condemn the multitudes of 9/11 widows. She criticized the four “Jersey Girls†for their political stances in response to 9/11.
That is exactly the point we are driving at. I’m glad the point is finally getting through your thick conservative skull. The point is exactly that Ann Coulter did not condemn the multitudes of victims, only those few who she sees as politically damaging to her party.
Do you understand now?
June 10th, 2006 at 1:16 pmSay it out loud. The PNAC cabal must have celebrated the needed “new pearl harbor” that they so much needed.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:17 pm.
Then, do not engage in a shouting match.
Someone once gave this advice:
It’s good advice, no matter what your personal belief system. In the long run, it is the only way to win.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:18 pmYou know, the Dixie Chicks have suffered for years because of a boycott of their records. Now they have a hit. Guess what, they have problems with their concert tour. This should teach us something that would be usefull with Coulter.
Organize a mass boycott of her book. Their should be action taken against Borders, Amazon and anyother outlet with her book. The message should be clear: Carry this book and you support her description of the widows. We don’t object to debate. We do object to this kind of scurrilous conduct.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:20 pmYou know, the Dixie Chicks have suffered for years because of a boycott of their records. Now they have a hit. Guess what, they have problems with their concert tour. This should teach us something that would be usefull with Coulter.
Organize a mass boycott of her book. Their should be action taken against Borders, Amazon and anyother outlet with her book. The message should be clear: Carry this book and you support her description of the widows. We don’t object to debate. We do object to this kind of scurrilous conduct.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:20 pm#53 - Your point is well taken.
I agree with Churchills larger point but maybe not his phrasing… does that make me like Mary Matlin:(
June 10th, 2006 at 1:21 pmZookeeper probably Carville is controlled by Matalin in the bedroom > he is NOT a very good looking guy, so Mary probably tells him he is lucky to have her as a wife! Since he married her his advice for Democrats have led to defeats for everyone he helps as a paid advisor! Mary may have married him to silence him because he was once a great campaign stratigist!
June 10th, 2006 at 1:23 pmi wouldn’t say that demanding an invesitgation - which would not have happened had they NOT - into 9/11 is considered a “political stance”… remember that BushCO was against that before they were for it - relenting to the demands of the “jersey girls… and i say “thank you, ladies”…
June 10th, 2006 at 1:26 pm#59 - The Dixie Chicks are beginning to realize they have a different audience. I read the USA Today article about thier ticket sales.
http://www.usatoday.com/ life/ music/ news/ 2006-06-08-dixie-chicks-tour_x.htm
It looks like they have lost their red-neck audience and gained overwhelming support in Canada, Australia and England. I bought their CD and would go to a concert should they come to the San Francisco area.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:27 pmOrganize a mass boycott of her book. Their should be action taken against Borders, Amazon and anyother outlet with her book. The message should be clear: Carry this book and you support her description of the widows. We don’t object to debate. We do object to this kind of scurrilous conduct.
Comment by jmoor — June 10, 2006 @ 1:20 pm
Boycott?
Thats reich wing crap jmoor. We don’t try to silence people. Thats their schtick.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:33 pmOnly Republicans are allowed to use 9/11 as a poltical tool. Why didn’t Coulter criticize the three 9/11 widows who spoke at the Republican National Convention? Because they agree with her. Coulter wants the widows who are critical of Bush to ’shut-up’, but it is fine for three widows to speek at the RNC….they don’t get called “broads” and “harpies” and “witches”.
(Snip)
“New York, NY, Aug. 30 (UPI) — There was not a dry eye to be found in New York’s cavernous Madison Square Garden after surviving relatives of three Americans killed on Sept. 11, 2001, addressed the delegates as part of the conventions “A Nation of Courage” Monday night program. ”
http://washingtontimes.com/ upi-breaking/ 20040830-113530-6195r.htm
Ann Coulter is a hatemonger and who “hates” the first amendment. She hates the Constitution, therefor she must hate America.
-GSD
June 10th, 2006 at 1:34 pmDear Hippie - Please show me where Judd in his essay said the Jersey Girls were criticized for their political stances….(He forgot to mention the FOUR Jersey Girls???? I’m SHOCKED!!!!) Perhaps you’ll be able to get it through your thin skin and skull that Judd was yanking your chains - but for a worthy prog “cause”.
See ya’
June 10th, 2006 at 1:34 pmIn her next interview, someone ask Coulter if she thinks John Walsh or Patti Wetterling
OFF topic. but did anyone notice that last weeks AMW had featured illegal immigrant felons and such. I thought “oh that’s nice, now John Walsh is pandering two days before the bigotry vote”
Any thoughts?
June 10th, 2006 at 1:36 pmMary may have married him to silence him because he was once a great campaign stratigist!
Comment by Jay Randal
That would make her the ultimate whore. I just don’t want to think about it anymore, because it makes me sick. :P
June 10th, 2006 at 1:38 pmHer point that you can’t — you know Cindy Sheehan — if you throw yourself in the political arena, then you should be able to address political issues, and people should be able to speak back to you
Scatin Matlin
So far,the ONLY people claiming you can’t talk back to them, is Coulter and her supporters.
They are INVENTING an argument to defend Coulter calling the 911 widows a bunch of foul names.
NO ONE, and I MEAN NO ONE, said you can’t talk back to these women, or their argument.
Hell they INVITE your debate.
But you can’t debate. Neither can Coulter.
Is it our fault that all Ann Coulter’s tiny brain could come up with is a bunch of 3rd grade scuzzy insults, instead of debating their actual issues?
June 10th, 2006 at 1:40 pmZookeeper I know how you feel because I once knew Carville before he married Matalin and lost his midas touch in politics! It took a couple of years after he married her to become completely soft, but now he is her tool! She tells her everything the Democrats are doing, then she informs the GOP who she whores for what James says! Call her the ultimate Mata Hari!
June 10th, 2006 at 1:46 pmAs usual, Mighty Haggis of the Clan Teabagger drops its smelly load and claims to scram.
She criticized the four “Jersey Girls†for their political stances in response to 9/11.
Comment by mighty aphrodite
You defend Coulter saying she was criticizing only the “Jersey Girls,” and criticize Judd for not mentioning the Jersey Girls, and yet nowhere in her interview with Matt Lauer did Coulter mention the Jersey Girls — she said 9/11 widows, with no specificity. You were issued your talking point of the day, and are apparently here to fulfill your poo flinging obligations. Dismissed.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:49 pmThese female Republican talkers,radio and TV,are some of the meanest,most hateful women on the face of the Earth.The GOP men are worse,but not much!There is not an ounce of human kindness or understanding among them.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:56 pmYou were issued your talking point of the day, and are apparently here to fulfill your poo flinging obligations. Dismissed.
Comment by Zookeeper — June 10, 2006 @ 1:49 pm
You are on a roll today!
How was graduation last night?
June 10th, 2006 at 1:56 pmShe’s got to stand up for her fellow Hitler worshipper. Everybody knows they all stick together.
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June 10th, 2006 at 1:59 pmExclusive interview of U.S. Rep. Jim Davis:
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June 10th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#14, Zookeeper…
I think you fail to see that if we just let the MSM speak in a vacuum, as they are now, we do not change those who cannot change by watching the MSM.
However, if they have a one-sided conversation, as they allow us to do with subjects like 9/11, then we can point out the uselessness of their “concerns”.
For everyone who says they “can’t believe they are letting these republican apologists get away with saying “I agree with her point, but not necessarily her language— they fail to see how they feed into that.
The republicans have control of the airwaves. That is enough. We do not need to let them play the evil role we give to them, because when we talk about them we are only feeding what they say about us, that all we are concerned about is vilifying them.
It also, most importantly, gets us OFF the important and real issues.
June 10th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#66 m-a:
Dear Hippie - Please show me where Judd in his essay said the Jersey Girls were criticized for their political stances….(He forgot
How stupid do you think we are that we don’t know exactly why Mz Coulter is criticizing the Jersey women and everyone else who disagrees with her political party?
Oh right, conservatives think liberals are all stupid shallow elitist granola eating hippies who don’t know squat outside the organic collectivist work commune.
In fact, she also criticized Murtha and Kerry for their military service. Did Judd forget to mention that also? Did he forget to fill you in on the long political backstory to this simiple blog post? You probably take that as more proof that we don’t see the big picture here. You probably take that as proof of your inherent conservative superiority.
Conservatives. What can you do?
June 10th, 2006 at 2:02 pmNo, we call you Nutzis! Nutzis! Nutzis!
June 10th, 2006 at 2:03 pmAnd mighty aphroditzy always comes along to keep the shit stirred.
Can anyone else imagine a world where they are allowed to keep their shit to themselves and their viewers? They really don’t matter.
We are so much better off staying out of useless debates like this until the time comes to point out that we were above that non-issue debate.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:06 pm#76 I think Conservatives’ hatred for liberals combined with conservatives’ capacity for violence and advocacy of violence as a solution to most problems (Coulter articulates this advocacy quite well) is a far more important issue than you seem to realize.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:08 pmCan’t we just ignore Ann Coulter?
Comment by LeisureGuy — June 10, 2006 @ 11:27 am
Sure. Do nothing. Thats what Democrats have been doing for 8 years.
Guess theres no reason for you to change now.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:10 pm#77 - Believe me, Ken, I do see your point. You’re just more civilized than I am.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:11 pmIf we don’t address conservatives’ hatred for liberals, it will only grow.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:12 pmCourse if you actually want to win an election or two, you might want to learn to stand up to their silly attacks.
Cause that turn the other cheek attitude will beat you every time.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:13 pm#80. No, I realize it. However I also know their MO. They love to get us stirred up and talking about this instead of Zarqawi. They know what gets our ire stirred up (see everything mighty aphroditzy says and you will see exactly how they work.) It isn’t about right and wrong in these arguments.
Of course Coulter was wrong, and the only people swayed by her are the FOX devotees. But the more we talk about it, the more attention she gets, the more the right can point to our being upset by it, and the more books she will sell and the more people they can align against us using their bully pulpit of the MSM.
It is important, of course it is, but it pales in comparison to many other things going on. We will not be able to take the MSM away from them by being right. At least not in the short term.
It is more important, far more important, to continue to let the MSM and conservatives continue to kill themselves. We do not need to take such an active part.
Judge not, lest ye be judged…and all that.
We must be above the fray. Not mired in their excrement.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:18 pmKen, if you don’t want to discuss Coulters attack on the widows, then I suggest you find a thread that is not ABOUT Coulters attack on the widows.
Just a thought.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:20 pm#81, what exactly do you think you are “doing” now by preaching to the choir about an OBVIOUS problem the right has.
The point is it is obvious and we chase this like we chased gay marriage, immigration, gay marriage again, and every stupid think Coulter says.
It is so obvious that we lower ourselves by participating. Get over it. Sometimes you just have to ignore that which demands attention, just to stay above the argument.
The whole thing is that this interrupts the momentum of talking about impeachment. That is the real issue here, but as long as we talk about Coulter in a vacuum, supplied by the Matalins of this world who’s job it is to side-track us and keep us off message, then they are going to continue to win.
Impeachment, elections, and the lameness and lack of a democratic alternative are far more important.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:22 pmHow was graduation last night?
Comment by unbelievable
It was fantastic! I’m glad they held it in the football stadium, because even though Zoo Jr’s class only had 186 graduates, there were about 10,000 people there — 1/2 of the stadium was full. We had excellent seats, and I only teared up once, when the speaker told the kids he wasn’t going to wish them a “nice life,” because if your whole life is nice you won’t have accomplished a damn thing. I was teary because it’s so true, and Zoo Jr knows it, and that made me proud. Jr got his diploma, shook hands with the principal and school superintendent, like the gentleman he tries so hard to be, and then raised both arms over his head, made a loud whooping noise, and leaped off the stage. Dignity R Us, as I always say! When they filed out, Jr hooked arms with his favorite Belgian exchange student, and they skipped all the way out.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:23 pmI keep trying to tell you guys, if you didn’t come to suit up, what the hell are you doing on the field?
June 10th, 2006 at 2:23 pmNo Zookeeper, you are terrific, and I always enjoy reading your posts. If I am in any way civilized it is because I learn from reading from people like you.
But still, let’s talk about impeachment…
June 10th, 2006 at 2:24 pmIt is so obvious that we lower ourselves by participating. Get over it. Sometimes you just have to ignore that which demands attention, just to stay above the argument.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 2:22 pm
Great. So IGNORE it. You can’t ignore it in here, becuase unless I have a reading impairment, this thread is ALL ABOUT Coulters comments.
One more time, Ken.
If you didn’t come to play ball, then what the hell are you doing on the field?
June 10th, 2006 at 2:27 pmFlavius, you miss the point. It is here that I want to try to get everyone else off this useless argument that allows republicans to depict us however they want to.
Now we are whining about the mere words of AC. What makes you think we won’t hear about our lack of concern for freedom of speech from her side?
They will never address the real issues, so why should we take every piece of bait lobbed in our direction?
Unless you are on their side… Are you?
June 10th, 2006 at 2:28 pmZoo,
Sounds like a nice one!
“If your whole life is nice you won’t have accomplished a damn thing” Now there’s an excellent bumpersticker! :)
June 10th, 2006 at 2:30 pmIt is here that I want to try to get everyone else off this useless argument
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 2:28 pm
So you’re trying to kill the thread?
Unless you are on their side… Are you?
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 2:28 pm
I’m not the one trying squash the thread.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:35 pmI’m not trying to dis you Ken. I think you make great comments.
But this, “lets play nice” and “be above the fray” is what buried the Democrats for the last 6 years, and will bury them in 08 if they don’t learn to hit back.
We have all the “nice guys” we need. No one listens to them.
If you’re gonna do battle with the Coulters crap then you need to bring more to the table then a Beattitudes mentaility and a plea to “play nice”.
Once more, if you’re not here to suit up, then get keep out of the way.
There are players here, and they’re moving the ball up the field.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:38 pmNeither am I, but I am trying to re-direct the conversation so people will be less-easily manipulated.
That is our problem. We do not control the airwaves, so we may be portrayed however they wish, and if you think for a minute that we will achieve getting them to address the very real and correct concerns that we talk about here, then you are mistaken.
Playing into their argument is little different from masturbation. Fun, but ultimately it’s just you getting yourself off on hatred of the hateful.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:39 pmBruce,
Once again your right. All of this hateful vengence that these right wing talking heads put out really wouldn’t amount to anything except that there are way to many people out there that are all to willing to believe anything that these people put out.
I don’t know if is because the gullibles do not know how to think or speak for themselves or they do not have the capacity to realize that there are two sides or more to any issue or simply the old adhage that ingonorance is bliss and the less they know about anything except what they hear is bliss.
I personally know some of these gullibles and there is no way that you can convince them that these right wing nuts are spewing nothing but garbage and that they are being led down a propaganda path.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:44 pm“But this, “lets play nice†and “be above the fray†is what buried the Democrats for the last 6 years, and will bury them in 08 if they don’t learn to hit back.”
We must hit back when it’s important to do so. Beyond pointing out that anus coulter is an asshole, what else need be said?
This is not about being above the fray. I was most upset when kerry ended his last nationally televised speech before the country with “Integrity, integrity, integrity.”
That translated as lame lame lame because he never hit hard where it counted, and only hit back where he could do no real harm to bush. Why do you think he let the swift boat shit happen without fighting back?
The excuse was integrity. The truth is, he was demonstrating his hidden integrity to not interfere with his fellow bonesman’s continued incursion into the middle east. He supported the war.
We must be above the fray, we must not waste time talking about non-issues when that takes time away from talking of impeachment and getting our elections closer to fair.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:44 pm“We have all the “nice guys†we need. No one listens to them.”
And if you think bitching about anus coulter or moron matalin will get someone to hear us, then you do not understand that we are essentially blocked from ever getting our message across on the MSM.
It falls to this sort of grass-roots organizing through conversation. We can’t get very far just name-calling, fun as hell though it may be to hit those who so desperately deserve it.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:46 pmI’m not playing into anyones argument.
I am standing up to a bunch of reich wing maggots who think they can say anything they want, and the little democrats will either cower and say, Oohh, don’t stoop to their level, or we will become “enraged” and throw a fit.
In case you didn’t notice, I do NEITHER.
Instead, I just give Coulter back exactly what she puts out. Its called fighting fire with fire, and in case you aren’t aware of this, its a time honored technique to extinguish a raging inferno.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:46 pmFighting fire with fire sounds like a bushism, and it’s efficacy outside of actual fire-fighting has been completely disproven.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:49 pmIts that “ooohhh, lets play nice, lets be bigger than them” crap that GOT US INTO IRAQ, that LOST US 2 elections, and turned our world upside down.
When the democracts finally GROW A PAIR, then maybe we can get our planet back on track.
Assuming of course they do that before its all gone.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:50 pmAnd anus coulter is not a raging inferno, she’s a raging b*&ch. There is a difference, and while one deserves to have a backfire set, the other deserves to be ignored.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:51 pmFor the last time Ken.
If you didn’t come to suit up, then get the hell off the field.
You’re just in the way.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:52 pmIMUS was right to challenge Ann Coulter. He handled the situation well. When victims talk, we need to ask why they became victims. If a war victim speaks out, why did she become a war victim? An ill-conceived war that will only stop with a new administration representing a different political party and philosophy. Regime change, if you will. But it will happen at the ballot box this time, even if it should have happened last time.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:53 pmFlavius, did you get beat up on the playground in elementary school?
“Its that “ooohhh, lets play nice, lets be bigger than them†crap that GOT US INTO IRAQ, that LOST US 2 elections, and turned our world upside down.”
Are you capable of being effective? Do you even really know what’s going on?
bush and a bunch of faux-democrats got us into Iraq at the behest of Israel.
Two elections were demonstrably stolen from us. We won both of those, in spite of lame-assed attempts on the part of the candidate from the so-called left.
The killing of JFK was the beginning of our world being turned on its head.
None of this can be blamed on lameness or being above the fray.
It’s called being responsible. Try it.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:54 pmAnyway, you’re trying to “coulter” me into getting off point, so I will go on and let you do your damage here.
But please, Flavius, try not to be so much one of them.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:57 pmIts that “ooohhh, lets play nice, lets be bigger than them†crap that GOT US INTO IRAQ, that LOST US 2 elections, and turned our world upside down.
Comment by FLAVIUS WORFEUS — June 10, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
In this context, as much as I don’t want to, I have to agree with Worfeus.
Nice guys finish last? In this political culture - yes. They (neocons) take silence for aquiescence, kindness for weakness, and that the winner of a shouting match is the correct authority. These people do not think for themselves. They turn to the patriarchal King of the Hill (who made his way to the top of the heap by pushing other people out of his way), and take what he says as the gospel.
Though, I will say that I thnk this issue (Ann Coulter) has been countered quite nicely, and until she says something further, I would love to see a thread on something more critical and less opinion.
June 10th, 2006 at 2:59 pmIt isn’t about being nice. I’m not nice. It’s about not falling for their traps and diminishing who we are by lapping up every opportunity to attack where they have done enough on their own to undermine their credibility.
Who cares what anus or moron said? I bet it was aimed at liberals like us.
Who cares what “they” call us? They have been doing this for years and it ain’t about to change because we have a space to call a beyatch a beyatch.
She is a stupid, intercoursing, horrible human being. That will not change because we point out the obvious. All they have to get us to do is respond to shit like this in order to have something to portray us as.
We have to stop caring about what they think and say and treat it with the same irrelevance they treat everything we say. We have this space, let them keep their diminishing TV. So what.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:04 pmBut please, Flavius, try not to be so much one of them.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 2:57 pm
With talk like that I seriously wonder if you’re not one of them.
I mean, if Iwere a “smart” troll, I’d come in here and try to convince everyone to NOT stand up to the right.
I’d try to convince them that fighting fire with fire is a fools game, and always taut the “we’re bigger than that” mentaility.
Not that I think you are, but with a defeatist attitude like that, you might as well be.
We need strong liberals, not weak ones. We need FIGHTERS, not RUNNERS.
You know I am fully aware of how the election was stolen, you’ve no doubt seen my countless posts on the topic.
But what REALLY lost us the election, was Al GORE NOT showing his backbone, other than to show it walking away, when he should have put up a better fight, and John Kerry did the same thing.
Think I’m wrong? Just watch Farenheit 911 again, and watch Gore smack the gavel silencing ever representative who had something accurate to say.
We need fighters. We need “unreasonable” people. We need BRUISERS.
We’ve got more then enough of the rest.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:09 pmKen, as long as we live in a Democracy, what people think is relevant. I’m not saying we’re going to convert Ann Coulter to liberal ideals but we have to address her large audience, and show them exactly what they are voting for and contributing to.
Rather than boycott her book, I would encourage everyone who voted Republican in 2004 to read it, but everytime she uses the word “liberal” substitute the word “Jew” and tell me if you’re still comfortable with it.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:10 pmFLAVIUS, You mean if Gore in 2000 had done what DeLay recommended in his final Congressional speach, we wouldn’t be in the Iraq quagmire? You may have a point there.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:13 pmThere are plenty of other threads NOT about Ann Coutler.
In fact, they just put up a good one about Bush and the war.
Yet you’re in here trying to convince people to not post in here, or at least to not talk about what the thread is about.
If you don’t want us talking about Coulter, then you need to convince Judd not to post threads about her. Meanwhile you’ve managed to fully take the topic off her, and water down everyones arguments and points in here.
Way to go slugger.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:14 pmFLAVIUS, You mean if Gore in 2000 had done what DeLay recommended in his final Congressional speach, we wouldn’t be in the Iraq quagmire? You may have a point there.
Comment by cynical ex-hippie — June 10, 2006 @ 3:13 pm
Unfortunately I missed that speech. I think I had root canal or something funner like that to do.
Please elaborate.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:21 pmUh class. please pay attention
It seemed clear to me during AC ’sinterview on the Today Show, that she didn’t believe her own outrageous comments; but folks, she’s promoting her book. So why would Other book authors damn her? They know AC’s just on a press junket. That’s all.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:25 pmQuestion.
Does anyone remember what happened to the book “A million little peices” once people started talking about it, and openly criticizing it?
In case you are under the misconception that it helped sales, allow me to elaborate.
It was number 1.
Now its not even in the top 100.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:32 pmStop posting comments here. Tell Matalin what you think of her failure to condemn Coultur. Matalin’s tel#(202) 903-7627. Fill her voicemail up with your outrage.
June 10th, 2006 at 3:35 pmBy the way, you may want to reference Matalin’s book in which she extols family values and the need for character buliding with her own daughters. Ms. Matalin’s defense of Coulter suggests that attacking widows is a good famil vallue.
I think it is time to get a bit angry about the likes of Ann Coulter and start fighting back with their own medicine.
Her labeling of the East Brunswick widows as “broads†and “witches†is despicable. Suggesting that they are enjoying their husband’s tragic deaths is simply immoral, irresponsible, and ugly.
Ann Coulter is the reason for the saying that “beauty is skin deep, but ugly cuts right to the bone.†Ann Coulter is simply “ugly to the bone.â€
She has suggested that the country would be better off if a Supreme Court Justice and a President were assassinated. That rhetoric is simply irresponsible. If a high school student were to make those suggestions in a paper for school about a teacher or principal, the student would be expelled or at a minimum, suspended from school. Behaving as a responsible adult and setting an example for our youth is so important, but Ms. “ugly to the bone†Coulter, just doesn’t get that concept.
Ms. Coulter owes these widows and the nation an apology, but that apology will never come because she is “ugly to the bone.â€
June 10th, 2006 at 4:14 pmUm, are there nothing but shills on this thread?
I mean, if you get upset about a non-issue where any sane person believes coulter and matalin are way out of bounds here, then you are dumb or you are a shill.
Gay marriage and immigration required responses, though needed to be pointed out as the wedge issues they are.
This, on the other hand, is just a case of republicans saying “I made you flinch.”
And Flavius. Your football analogies are stupid in light of the foe. I mean, why give the “c” word your all. Isn’t it a bit silly?
Intercourse coulter and matalin with the horses they rode in on. Are you their horses?
June 10th, 2006 at 4:26 pmto the moon with both ann and mary
June 10th, 2006 at 4:27 pm“I mean, if Iwere a “smart†troll, I’d come in here and try to convince everyone to NOT stand up to the right.”
This isn’t standing up to the right, this is standing up to a couple of obvious hateful morons. No I am not one of them, but I wonder about those who want to keep the unconstructive argument going.
What is the point? Does it make you smarter, better, or tougher to stand up to a nothing?
Treat these shits like the refuse they truly are. Ignore them.
I am not stifling comment, I am adding to comment and trying to get you all to think about what’s really important.
If you think smacking the likes of coulter and matalin will get democrats in power, or progressives, or anyone other than the milquetoast democrats like pelosi into seats of power, then you are as dumb as the arguments you enthrall yourselves with skewering.
It is fun, but let’s not lend these idiots more weight than they merit.
None.
June 10th, 2006 at 4:30 pm: I’m not saying we’re going to convert Ann Coulter to liberal ideals but we have to address her large audience, and show them exactly what they are voting for and contributing to.”
That’s not what you’re doing. This is not FOX. This is the choir, and a few shills who want to keep this crap going.
Let’s look at the fake Zarqawi, if you want to talk about something relevant.
I am trying to render the offensive and hateful coulter and matalin irrelevant.
They are irrelevant.
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June 10th, 2006 at 4:35 pmI mean, if you get upset about a non-issue where any sane person believes coulter and matalin are way out of bounds here, then you are dumb or you are a shill.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 4:26 pm
You’re the only one in here thats “upset” Ken.
In case you haven’t noticed, I’m have a good time.
June 10th, 2006 at 4:48 pmIn truth I have more respect for Ann Coulter than I do for many of the liberals and so called “progressives” in here.
Ann plays you guys like a book, with your 2 dimensional thinking.
For you guys, its either get angry, or roll over and play nice.
You just don’t get her, and you just don’t get why you keep loosing elections.
Coulters having a good time pushing your buttons while selling her books.
When you guys are capable of standing up to her and beating her at her own game, you’ll always be in second place.
On 911 Republicans were angry, and wanted to kick some ass.
Democrats “echoed” those sentiments.
Can you tell the difference?
June 10th, 2006 at 4:53 pmNo I am not one of them, but I wonder about those who want to keep the unconstructive argument going.
He says and keeps arguing.
June 10th, 2006 at 4:53 pm125, yeah, maybe so, but she is butt ugly
she loses
June 10th, 2006 at 4:57 pmYes, unbelievable, but I am consistent in my argument.
I have a constructive purpose, which is more than may be said for most of the reflexive hate-filled retorts that preceeded.
There is a reason we are told from time to time not to descend to the level of those who we are against.
This is one of those cases.
It is never clever pointing out the obvious, and coulter and matalin are just too obvious.
Don’t hate me, don’t be reflexive. I agree with everyone who hates these idiots, but I also don’t want to spend time adding too much to the fray. It lowers us all to their level.
Don’t be defensive, be thoughtful.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:01 pmThen Clubber Worfeus, you have difficulty with reading comprehension. There is a great deal of negative emotion going on here.
These assholes are not worth it.
Name-calling lowers the debate. That’s what’s going on. I like that. That’s fine.
But let’s be honest that it isn’t constructive and you are only fulfilling the hopes of the idiots who are set upon us to get these reactions.
Sometimes it’s important to fight back. This, I believe, is not one of those times.
Let them talk themselves blue in the face until the world sees them for what they are.
When I read these posts, mostly, they are as base as the words of those being complained about.
Where is the difference? How do you wish to separate yourselves from these idiots if you play their game all the time?
June 10th, 2006 at 5:07 pm“For you guys, its either get angry, or roll over and play nice.”
See? This is how they do it. We have reacted, so they get to define us.
If we reacted less, or more reasonably, then we could be the ones defining them.
If you read what I’ve said, I don’t fall into either of these descriptions. I agree, but point out the relative unimportance of these imbeciles.
This fool is right, ann coulter is playing us. She is a shill. Matalin is an operative. Period.
Oh, and worfeus is too.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:10 pmDon’t be defensive, be thoughtful.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
You’re reading a lot of things where they don’t exist…
Bottomline - if you don’t like the thread - pick another. You can’t change anyone but yourself. And staying in here arguing while insulting people for arguing certainly isn’t going to help your cause. You made your point. Now, it seems like you need to be right and everyone needs to do what you want or you’ll stay in here and keep insulting everyone. I’d call that hypocrisy Ken…
June 10th, 2006 at 5:10 pmI have a constructive purpose, which is more than may be said for most of the reflexive hate-filled retorts that preceeded.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 5:01 pm
A. I know you’re not talking about my posts, as there was nothing but jocularity contained in mine. Get a clue.
B. Everytime someone in here makes a semi witty counter to one of the Coulterists, and you come in whining and balling about “playing nice” and telling everyone to “just ignore her”, you further reinforce the common prevailing notion that democrats are wimps, which is why the American people hesitate to vote for them.
Like I said, go find a thread where they’re talking about easter bunny’s or candy canes, or something where you’ll feel more in your environment.
We need sluggers in here, not crybabies.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:17 pmI’d call your reaction just that, a reaction without thought.
Unbelievable, what is your real stance on this issue? Do you think they are wrong? What constructive, and give it your all, do you have to say about this?
Can you not see that if we just ignore this crap other than to point out that they are way outside the mainstream of American thought, even of what one would expect of a FOX viewer, then they will either shut up and go away because it had no effect, or they will keep up their stupidity and they will self-destruct.
I am for their destruction by any means necessary. I just think this bickering and bolstering the argument by name-calling does not get the job done.
I wonder about the motivations of the people on this site who do not listen to reason.
It’s not “my way” or anyting like that.
I just think it’s a good idea to encourage people to think about what they are doing by venting every time a republican operative gives you something to vent about.
It’s their game, and you are playing it brilliantly, unbelievable.
So much so, that I wonder if that isn’t your point.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:17 pmSluggers reaching out to beat the shit out of straw men.
You didn’t read everything I’ve said, and if you did, then you indeed have a problem with reading comprehension.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:19 pmSometimes it’s important to fight back. This, I believe, is not one of those times.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 5:07 pm
If you don’t think this is a time to step up, then maybe Coulters right. Maybe the left is a bunch of wimps to afraid to get their hands dirty.
Hell maybe I should become a republican.
At least then I won’t be ashamed of my own sides commitment to victory.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:20 pmCan you imagine a soldier standing up in a fire fight and saying, hey guys, why are we shooting back at them?
Why stoop to their level?
We’d win a lot of wars that way.
:|
June 10th, 2006 at 5:22 pmAnn Coulter is a caricature of the Republican Party. Anyone wanting to know what is wrong with the Republicans - what has gone horribly wrong with the party - they only need look to her.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:24 pmKill em!
June 10th, 2006 at 5:24 pmPlease take a moment to read Agitprop’s list of Coulter supporters. Pass the paste!
June 10th, 2006 at 5:26 pmI’d call your reaction just that, a reaction without thought.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 5:17 pm
Atleast one of us was able to be concise while doing it…
Again, you’re reading a lot into my intention without knowing me or it.
You’ve made your point Ken. And made sure than in the future, I’ll just skip over your posts…
Have fun Worfeus. This one isn’t worth your time… He’s a bully in sheep’s clothing who won’t shut up until he’s gotten his way.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:28 pmOkay unbelievable and worfeus…who are the democrats you support? Failing that, who are the progressives you support?
Failing that, what would a politician have to do to get your support?
Tell me about the values you hold dear, and tell me about what motivates you to something positive?
June 10th, 2006 at 5:29 pmSelf-delusion, unbelievable. I read your posts. You are rarely clear and concise.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:31 pmHave fun Worfeus.
Comment by unbelievablyhot — June 10, 2006 @ 5:28 pm
Oh I will mylady.
I’m having a ball.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:33 pmbesides, who is complaining about whom for not agreeing and for trying to expand the argument? Isn’t that a case of your demanding of me that I “play nice”?
No logic to your arguments.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:35 pmOkay unbelievable and worfeus…who are the democrats you support? Failing that, who are the progressives you support?
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 5:29 pm
You want a list?
At the top, you can put Al Gore.
If ever there was a capable, super intelligent benevolant and concerned leader, its Al Gore.
No greater democrat is there today.
Of course the lilly livered democratic leadership is too stupid to rally the troops behind the man who can beat anything the right puts up.
If they’d learn from our republican brothers and sisters, we’d win more often.
Al Gore is smarter, sharper, wittier(well maybe not that one), and more experienced at leading a government that WORKS, than any candidate on the field today.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:37 pmConservatives are SCARED to death when Liberals morph from Flavius to Clubber -NOT…. But my personal favourite: QUOTING Fahrenheit 9/11 as Gospel - sorry atheists - if this weren’t so pitiful, it might be humourous.
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June 10th, 2006 at 5:39 pmKen Daves - Does it seem ironic to you that you have spent the past three and a half hours talking about Ann Coulter while trying to convince people that they should not waste their time talking about Ann Coulter?
June 10th, 2006 at 5:41 pmAl Gore is cool, but in the last election he too fell victim to the republicans who painted him in a certain way, as stiff, uncomfortable in his own skin.
I watched Al Gore when he was in the Senate and he was amazing because IN SPITE of his lack of charisma, what he said was so completely enthralling, and he was speaking from his heart about his concern for all of us.
What sucked was, when the debates started, the republicans had gotten him to morph into something uncomfortably less-stiff, less himself, and also, when you think about it, less-presidential.
Had he stuck to being who he is, rather than bending when handlers told him to be worried about how he was perceived, we might have had a very different course over the last 5 years.
My only concern about Gore is that, that he caved.
I do very much like the new Gore, but in terms of president, I am waiting and seeing.
I agree with you on Gore, mostly.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:42 pmGod get over yourselves…you’re not that damned interesting or compelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 10th, 2006 at 5:44 pmGW Superchrist, you too fail to comprehend what you read. That is NOT what I’ve been talking about and you know it.
Don’t lie.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:44 pmI’m having a ball.
Comment by CLUBBER WORFEUS — June 10, 2006 @ 5:33 pm
It’s obvious. You’re playing and he’s just clenching tighter and tighter… Not a good salesman that one. Someone should send him ‘How to win Friends and Influence People’ So far he’s broken all the rules and then some…
June 10th, 2006 at 5:45 pmWhile the democrats are busing trying to “sound” erudite, and worrying about their own careers, the republicans are preparing to rally the troops behind a single leader.
And they will do it if you guys don’t learn.
But from your last few posts Ken, insulting UNB like that, its becoming more and more clear that maybe you are just a troll, “INCOGNITO” as it were. Maybe you’re really a right winger, using guilt and talk of “being nice” and “just ignore them” to keep this side from ever really launching a fight.
Maybe.
But if you’re not on their side, you oughta be.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:47 pmComment by mighty aphrodite — June 10, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
Look what the dog dragged in… another bloated maggot-laden carcass stinking up the room. Better make sure he’s up to date on his shots. This one is pretty nasty.
You’re just pissed that we won’t read your silly book Mighty mAnn…
June 10th, 2006 at 5:48 pmFirst time posting - but i couldn’t help myself…
Ken’s attitude would be fine, if he didn’t insist on everyone getting to his exact point-of-view. That’s so right-wing, isn’t it?
I get that there will be a broad mix of peoples on the left countering right-wing idiotness. Not all of us are willing to play nice anymore. Playing nice on the left may have already caused the death of American democracy (1776-2001).
The left is out of power. Think about that. We have no political power in this country. This leaves our country and our planet highly unbalanced.
I’ve begun to think the memeset from the left is afraid of power and fails to understand how one acheives political power or its relative importance. Generally, the Left would rather just be morally superior than actually figure out how political power is acheived.
We don’t fight like we expect to win. That’s the hallmark of a gutless loser.
Such is today’s Left…
June 10th, 2006 at 5:50 pmBut if you’re not on their side, you oughta be.
Comment by CLUBBER WORFEUS — June 10, 2006 @ 5:47 pm
Just call him Joe Lieberman…
June 10th, 2006 at 5:50 pmMighty - How you doing sweetheart?
It’s always good to see you setting them pesky liberals straight.
Jesus loves you!
June 10th, 2006 at 5:52 pmMy only concern about Gore is that, that he caved.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 5:42 pm
First reasonable thing you’ve said.
Ok, I agree. I posted earlier that it upset me that Al showed them his back instead of his backbone.
But everyone makes mistakes.
Al Gore WAS the VICE PRESIDENT of the UNITED STATES for 8 freakin years, over the most prosperous and successful America I have ever known in my lifetime.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, is more qualified to lead us out of the valley of Pharoh, then Big Al.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:52 pmCoulter hit a liberal nerve!! HA HA, po’ babies.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:53 pmGood job of ignoring me.
I have actually been effective at restructuring the argument, but seem to have caught the ire of those who want to keep playing to the shills.
Most others, I’ve noticed, have moved on.
Some people get it, and some people can’t even see themselves in what they argue against.
Mostly, like republicans, you just lie to change the debate rather than addressing the real issue.
My issue is that when you are given this fodder, you descend to the level of those you argue against.
Why? Does it make you feel better?
It does no good.
Now, I’m done with this thread.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:53 pmI do very much like the new Gore, but in terms of president, I am waiting and seeing.
Comment by Ken Daves — June 10, 2006 @ 5:42 pm
Which is why we fail.
Everyones “waiting” and no ones doing anything.
Choose this day whom ye will serve
June 10th, 2006 at 5:54 pmMatlin is as big a as Coulter, I hope they both get .
June 10th, 2006 at 5:54 pmWe don’t fight like we expect to win. That’s the hallmark of a gutless loser.
Comment by morty — June 10, 2006 @ 5:50 pm
Well put… And true. I don’t know which angers me more - the right’s behavior or the left’s apathy.
I hope we have decent Independents to choose from in the next several elections. I’d like to vote for someone who isn’t entrenched in the political quagmire.
June 10th, 2006 at 5:55 pm