ThinkFast PM: June 12, 2006
ThinkFast PM: June 12, 2006
Wired.com is courtroom-blogging the ACLU’s suit against the federal government over warrantless domestic surveillance.
“The former coal industry executive who told the U.S. Senate the nation’s mining laws are adequate — just weeks after a series of disasters killed 15 miners — faces a critical vote Tuesday in the Senate, as the Bush administration attempts to make him the top coal mine safety cop.”
With college debt rates at crippling levels, Rep. George Miller (D-CA) and Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) have proposed legislation that would cut interest rates on student and parent college loans in half beginning July 1, 2006. Click here for a calculator to show how much you’d save.
Billmon has a great compilation on permanent bases in Iraq, Base Motives.
Conservative talk host Michael Savage says liberals could turn Zarqawi “into a hero even though he killed thousands of people and was arrested for sexual molestation in Jordan. … He was an altogether piece of human offal, you know. He was like a [Rep. John] Murtha — he was like a human Murtha.”
Santorum’s mixed messages: The English version of Sen. Rick Santorum’s (R-PA) website “referenced the ‘amnesty-ridden proposal’ the U.S. Senate adopted to deal with illegal immigration. But the version for Spanish readers ‘made no mention of amnesty in its discourse on immigration.’”
And finally: Volvo moves one step closer to Mr. Fusion, creating a prototype car that runs on five different types of fuels.
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Wow shuuldnt christains especially the evangelical right be offended by Savages comparisons of Zarqawi and Jesus christ ?
it seems so utterly unbelieveable that they continue to make such abserd claims and using the previous attacks on mutha as some kind of backup, justification. I dont understand how this even worked in the past and yet americans i fear will fall fo the same tactic. As If 8 years of this Administration wasnt blindly ovious enough.
June 12th, 2006 at 6:55 pmWhat I don’t understand, is how a reasonable person could listen to someone like Savage, or Limbaugh, or Coulter, and think what they are saying is true?
Despite what the right claims, no democrat or liberal is mourning the loss of Zarqawi. This is more an attempt to continue the message that the left hates america, and wants to surrender to the fundamentalist islamics.
June 12th, 2006 at 7:03 pmI feel SO much better knowing the anti-American attorneys who “work” for the ACLU are actually trying to make it easier for America’s enemies to communicate. I am sorry I EVER gave those traitors a penny….
June 12th, 2006 at 7:14 pmWell Mr. Savage (aptly named), don’t hold back, tell us how you really feel! Is he aware that BushCo opted to NOT eliminate Zarqawi, THREE different times, when they had the chance? So the continued destruction caused by him is the responsibility of BushCo. As is all of it, really. And he is obviously crazed, going so far as to bring Jesus into it? Bonehead. He is as weak as his story. And that’s saying something.
June 12th, 2006 at 7:21 pmModerated by Admin.
June 12th, 2006 at 7:31 pm[...] From ThinkFast PM: And finally: Volvo moves one step closer to Mr. Fusion, creating a prototype car that runs on five different types of fuels. [...]
June 12th, 2006 at 7:35 pmPresident Ernie McCracken, anyone?
June 12th, 2006 at 7:37 pmMighty moron, again you show your shallowness and utter contempt for due process, the Bill of Rights, and the Constitution. The ACLU works to PROTECT the rights of Americans against tyrants who would rather burn the Constitution than the flag. You are a hypocritical shyster of a “lawyer’. BTW; I’m proud to be an official card-carrying member of the ACLU. Where do I sign up to join the Communist party? Better RED than DEAD.
June 12th, 2006 at 7:43 pm#1,
WMD,
Most people don’t read this stuff, and never know about it, only us batty folks from the left and right. So who’s really gonna get upset about what Savage said, no one really cares. It would be great if more people tuned in to the information that’s available, but it takes a lot of time and energy people don’t have.
June 12th, 2006 at 7:53 pmMy bet is that Savage’s head would explode if he wasn’t able to spew his non-stop hate. I’m glad that a scumbag like Savage is on the right, since this helps to show the world what kind of hateful people the right are.
June 12th, 2006 at 8:04 pmAny car can run on petrol. I think the ‘five’ fuels is a little exaggerated on that one. But at least they are thinking about a future beyond oil. Now if we could design our cities to be more compact and efficient... we wouldn’t need to use them as much.
June 12th, 2006 at 8:22 pmThe Clintion’s ripped up the fundrasing for Pederson, glad to see some Dems making money.
June 12th, 2006 at 9:12 pmMaybe Kyle can be taken out this November, that would be great news for an Arizonan.
June 12th, 2006 at 9:14 pmSavage’s “Liberalism Is a Mental Disorder” is $ 1.49 at my local Dollar Store.haaha!
June 12th, 2006 at 9:23 pmJust read a headline that states that Bush says the Iraq war is “worth it”. I am really glad that they are having this “introspecitve” conference at Camp David, just to come out with the same conclusions thay went in with.
Of course democracy is worth it…oru own democracy and we soon will have to fight for it against the fascists (corpratists). Did Jenna die in the Iraq war? No? Then it is worth it. Did GW have to shell out one red cent to fund the war of his own money, or to fund the impending deficit. No! Then is was worth it. Is Halliburton and are the oli companiess getting rich on the was and oil shortage. Then it was worth it….to GW anyay.
Not to the rest of us.
June 12th, 2006 at 9:26 pmSavage ison a tag team with Coulter. Who can be more outrageous? They have to be reaching the point where they are offensive to even the most conservatives among their party, leaving only the lunatic fringe supporting them.
June 12th, 2006 at 9:36 pmHe and Coulter and BO should continue their campaign of outdoing one another in malignant speech, and watch more of their audience disappear.
The Iraq war is “worth it” to whom? Him? Halliburton? Cheney? The WHIGs? PNAC?
June 12th, 2006 at 9:42 pmBush should just keep his big bazoo shut – because when the stupid, ridiculous and insensitive president speaks, stupid, ridiculous and insensitive words come out.
Will we all survive until 2008?.
#2
June 12th, 2006 at 9:44 pmOh, just wait, its coming. You can’t actually believe that liberals on the whole are happy that Zarqawi is dead and that its a victory for Bush and Rumsfeld can you? Don’t you people want defeat in Iraq? If you don’t, you sure have a funny way of showing your support.
#3 – I am sorry I EVER gave those traitors a penny….
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Ah, but you did, didn’t you, Mighty Haggis of the Clan Teabagger, YOU DID!
June 12th, 2006 at 9:56 pmmichael savage is a f*cking loud-mouthed idiot. He’s a scumbag with a radio show.
God I can’t believe people like this have a platform to spew their garbage.
June 12th, 2006 at 9:59 pmI wonder who a soldier would rather have next to them in combat, or leading them…a michael ’stupid ass’ savage, or John Murtha?
June 12th, 2006 at 10:00 pm#18 – Randy, it’s already been established by several commentes on this site that we’re glad Zarqawi is gone. But tell us this WHERE IN THE WORLD IS OSAMA BIN LADEN? Hmmmm? Now THAT would be a victory for Incurious George!
June 12th, 2006 at 10:01 pmSantorum’s mixed messages.
June 12th, 2006 at 10:04 pmHe’s exactly the sort of guy who would keep two sets of books in all areas of his life, not just his “political” life. I bet he’s got a nice stash of really sick porn hidden somewhere.
Last night I had dinner with somone who was in the same Law class as Santorum and he told me that Santorum was crazy then, so nothing’s changed. My friend also said that he’s been working the numbers and somehow on a Congressman’s salary, he doesn’t understand how Ricky can afford his McMansion in VA and support his large family. It was then that I was told that Ricky has filed 2 lawsuits against doctors – one against his wife’s chiropractor and one against his wife’s OB/GYN. This is the same hypocrit that is working to limit lawsuit payouts for everyone else. Ricky will be looking for work in January 07.
June 12th, 2006 at 10:25 pm#22 Zookeeper – I agree. Where the hell is Osama and when are we going to catch him? When we do, there will be dancin’ in the streets.
June 12th, 2006 at 10:26 pmOh, just wait, its coming. You can’t actually believe that liberals on the whole are happy that Zarqawi is dead and that its a victory for Bush and Rumsfeld can you? Don’t you people want defeat in Iraq? If you don’t, you sure have a funny way of showing your support.
Comment by Randy — June 12, 2006 @ 9:44 pm
Liberals want to know “when are we going to get Osama?” We don’t give a rat’s ass about Zarqawi because the problems in Iraq are much bigger than Zarqawi and besides, Al Qaeda wasn’t in Iraq until Bush&Co invaded the country and opened the borders for terrorist like Zarqawi to get into Iraq.
You do live in Dumfu*kistan, don’t you?
June 12th, 2006 at 10:33 pmGee would you have been this virulent and vitriolic against somebody who was for gay “marriage”?? I think not. Santorum rocks!! and he is right too.
June 12th, 2006 at 10:41 pmhow can anybody listen to somebody like Coulter, Limbaugh, Savage ,Horowitz and Hannity and NOT think they are right??
the reason you lefties think that the aformentioned speakers are not correct is because you have been sucked in by websites like this and moveon.org & in these times and others for so long you cannot even tell the truth when it is right in front of you. you have been indoctrinated with white guilt and liberalism for so long that you actually believe it now.
#24 – I just can’t believe how dumb Santorum is. He doesn’t seem to understand that his actions speak louder than his words. His inconsistencies are so astounding that I wonder about his short term memory. I’m glad he doesn’t represent me or anyone I know. Ugh.
June 12th, 2006 at 10:43 pmYes, I understand that. What do you think about a possible draft — whether the bill be submitted by a Rep or a Dem?
June 12th, 2006 at 11:12 pmI guess you weren’t around for it, but several commenters discussed the draft bill a couple of days ago — on our own. We can do that around here, we don’t need to wait for TP. I don’t believe you truly want to have a discussion.
June 12th, 2006 at 11:16 pm#34- I’d probably start with, “Well, because BushCo screwed everything up, and has NEVER admitted it, let alone tried to fix it, no one is willing to join the Military, because everyone knows that no matter what they tell you, you won’t be able to get out, when your tour of duty is up, it’s called ’stop-loss’, they ’stop’ you from leaving, causing the ‘loss’ of your freedom. Until they say otherwise.
June 12th, 2006 at 11:20 pm#35- How about, “they died for a ‘Noble Cause’”, or their ’sacrifice’ is bringing freedom and democracy to Iraq, or defeating the “Evildoers” requires sacrifices, and our soldiers are giving their lives to protect our way of life. Bush has LOTS of little words of comfort that I can utilize. Ok?
#56- Zoo! Talk to me!
June 12th, 2006 at 11:30 pmAmerican Patriot:
So what’s the big deal? I thought it was already common knowledge that a Democrat introduced a bill to bring back the draft. Anyone who pays attention to the news would know about this bill. Though it may not have been stated explicitly, I assume that the real purpose of the bill is to try to insure that at least some of the chickenhawk Republicans will have to send their sons and daughters off to fight GWB’s global “war on terror”. You know all those gol’ durn terrorists that macho boy George lured into Iraq by spouting “bring ‘em on”.
June 12th, 2006 at 11:31 pmZoo! Talk to me!
Comment by Cyra Brown
I’m here.
June 12th, 2006 at 11:33 pm#63- OF COURSE NOT!!! I just wanted (needed) to be sure I had not offended you somehow. I hate that feeling!
June 12th, 2006 at 11:34 pmCyra, the numbering is definitely off. According to what I see, I am attempting to have a dialogue with Am Pat, but you are seeing my responses to Am Pat aimed toward you. My apologies! Never would I disrespect you! I allowed Am Pat to draw me in, but it won’t happen again.
June 12th, 2006 at 11:37 pmThis is my last comment to you — ever — Am Pat. I’m sure you are disappointed.
My sons will not be coming home in body bags, and do you know why? Because I beat the shit out of them so hard while they were growing up, and they are now permanently broken and disabled, body and mind. And I got away with it, do you know why? Because I’m a liberal.
June 12th, 2006 at 11:44 pm# 69- Look, Foul Mouth, maybe the potential reinstatement of the Draft will be the slap across the face needed to put an end to BushCo’s FAILED FIASCO, it has killed far too many as it is. But those deaths don’t seem to concern you as much, why is that? Nevermind, I do not care what you think.
June 12th, 2006 at 11:48 pmCyra, you’ve gotta stop using the numbers, because on my screen you just called yourself foulmouthed. I see he’s getting to you, too. ;)
June 12th, 2006 at 11:53 pm# 68- Zoo, no, no, no! Please do not apologize! I KNOW you would never do that! As I said, I was afraid I had offended you! And, as I greatly admire you, I could not allow that to happen. So, thank you, I feel way better now, you have NOTHING to be sorry about! Unlike some others…
June 12th, 2006 at 11:57 pmThanks, Cyra, I probably should be ashamed of the story I told Am Pat about beating the shit out of my sons, but I’m not. I better go, I still have work to do before I go to bed. Try not to let the idiot bait you, like I did! Goodnight!
June 13th, 2006 at 12:03 amWith college debt rates at crippling levels, Rep. George Miller (D-CA) and Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) have proposed legislation that would cut interest rates on student and parent college loans in half
That’s pretty rich. Durbin co-authored the DREAM Act, an odious bill that’s literally anti-American: it takes discounted college educations away from U.S. citizens and gives them to illegal aliens.
In case you were stunned, let me repeat: (allegedly) United States Senator Dick Durbin wants to give illegal aliens a discount that he’s taken from U.S. citizens.
( Details at lone___wacko.com/blog/archives/004631.html Remove the underscores, since TP appears to have banned me)
June 13th, 2006 at 12:05 am“called myself foulmouthed”- Well, in all honesty, when I am driving, I have QUITE the ‘potty mouth’. But I refrain from hand gestures, and other hazardous behaviors, I settle for turning the air ‘blue’. It is a great stress releaser, I’ve found. And cheaper than a massage. ;)
June 13th, 2006 at 12:06 amGoodnight Zoo, and thanks!
June 13th, 2006 at 12:08 amThis was the funniest thing I saw tonight: David Horowitz laughed off of Larry King…
June 13th, 2006 at 12:10 am“Conservative talk host Michael Savage says liberals could turn Zarqawi “into a hero even though he killed thousands of people and was arrested for sexual molestation in Jordan.”
Did he kill them BEFORE he molested them? Cause that would be sick.
If he did it before they were dead, and without the aid of viagra or cialis (or whatever is on their Jordanian weather channel commercials,) then, yes, he’s my hero.
Oh, except for the killing, but I never believed he really did all that killing. It was just a story.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:40 amWe have frozen the scandal, their is nothing more to see, it will not thaw out for another three years.
I Frozen Scandal Man will now go back to the White House and find other things to Freeze..Move along folks.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:54 amIt is not going anywhere.
Conservative talk host Michael Savage says liberals could turn Zarqawi “into a hero even though he killed thousands of people and was arrested for sexual molestation in Jordan.”
Its the right wing media that is pasting this murderers picture all over the place. I never heard of Zarqawi before Bush and Cheney and their insane war of supply-side empire building war of ‘Democracy’
Bushco’s war made Zarqawi a ‘Hero’ if anyone did, ‘Zarqawi’ has also made Halliburton very rich, as well as many other defense contractors, Senators, Lobbyists, Think-tanks. You know all those ENTERPRISE [Read Profit] Right Wing Institutes, those AIPAC and RAND “Libertines”?? The Neo-Con Libertines?
I don’t care for Zarqawi one bit, he got what HE asked for.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:19 amPriests have Molested children, are the Right Wing Wackos gonna drop bombs on them as well?
WHY NOT? I Dislike Pedophiles. So Why haven’t you super moral right wingers not renditioned these folks? Drop a 1000 lbs of bombs on the Catholic Priest Pervos Homes??
I’m sick of the Right Wing Radicals Bolsheviks talking about their heroes Tim Osman Osama, Saddam, Pinochet, Delay, Cunningham, Libby,Bush, Reagan, and his “freedom fighters”, Im tired of the Republican ‘hero’ such as Abramoff. The Neys.
Just damn sick of the corruption and lies.
They created the monster, and now they act is they don’t love it anymore, it all the ‘liberals’ faullt that Frankenstein went haywire…
Yeh, those poor liberals with no money financed Zarqawi, they cashed all them wefare checks and financed the Iraq War, And Osama..these poor black and hispanic ‘Liberals’
They financed American Enterprise Instute. Right.
Yes the ‘liberals’, working on poverty wages financed the Afghanistan Terrorists, Wahabis, Hamas..Sudan Rebels.
Jeez. These ‘Pundit’ Conservatives, Worm-Eating Warblers, are such lying low lifes.
Hey guys. I think this story on RawStory deserves a lot more coverage. “Florida House candidate to face litany of criminal charges after alleging vote fraud.” Read through it, it’s really pretty remarkable. Not to mention that some of the main actors have ties to Jeb Bush.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:54 amYou seem to have difficulty exposing yourself to the truth, “American Patriot.” And I put that in quotes for you do not uphold the values I would expect in a true American Patriot. I refer to http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/11/thinkprogress-is-leaving-las-vegas/#comments, post 188, and your reply, 192.
Your credibility is ZERO. You have betrayed whatever causes you support. By refusing to accept responsibility for your actions, you have shown yourself to be no better than Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, etc., etc., etc.
Sadly, even if you do have a valid point, it won’t reach its audience, for your posts need to be navigated around, just as one avoids canine excrement steaming and glistening in the morning dew.
When you had the opportunity to choose between admitting the truth and lying, you chose to lie. I leave you with this wish, may others do unto you, as you have done unto others.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:19 amNotice how the press fails to investigate anything or ask pertinent questions, such as the suspicious death of Zarqawi in Iraq! First the Pentagon claimed they found his dead body on arrival at his bombed out hideout, then they claimed he died shortly after being examined, now they claim he died 52 minutes later? Press never asked the General in charge WHY Zarqawi was not airlifted by helicopter to a military hospital? It’s obvious they wanted Zarqawi dead and NOT taken alive > “Dead men tell no tales”!
June 13th, 2006 at 3:58 amWhy does it matter? Jay?
June 13th, 2006 at 5:01 amTo America put up or shut up
If the U.S. wants to prevent the emergence of scandal after scandal, it should listen to the voice of wisdom and stop flouting international law.
Can anybody believe the U.S. claim about respecting human rights when it lectures others on rights violations? Of course not.
The suicides, the prolonged detention of inmates without trial, the violent and shameful human rights violations in Abu Ghraib prison, and the establishment of secret prisons outside the U.S. are dark marks on the forehead of the U.S. for its human rights record and judicial system.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:50 amRamadi: Fallujah Redux
By Dahr Jamail
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Monday 12 June 2006
Fearful residents are now pouring out of Ramadi after the US military has been assaulting the city for months with tactics like cutting water, electricity and medical aid, imposing curfews, and attacking by means of snipers and random air strikes. This time, Iraqis there are right to fear the worst – an all out attack on the city, similar to what was done to nearby Fallujah.
It has always been just a matter of time before the US military would finally get around to destroying Ramadi, the capital city of al-Anbar province. After all, Ramadi is not far from Fallujah, and so similar to Fallujah both tribally and in their disdain towards the idea of being occupied, that many people in Ramadi even refer to Fallujah as “Ramadi.” I know many people from Ramadi who lost relatives and friends during both US assaults on Fallujah, and the level of anti-American sentiment has always been high there.
By now, we all know the scene when the US military in Iraq decides to attack an entire city … we’ve seen this standard operating procedure repeated, to one degree or another, in Haditha, Al-Qa’im, Samarra, parts of Baghdad, Balad, Najaf and Fallujah twice … so far. The city is sealed for weeks if not months, water and electricity are cut, medical aid is cut, curfews imposed, mobility impaired, air strikes utilized, then the real attack begins. Now in Ramadi, the real attack has begun.
Warplanes are streaking the sky as bombings increase, loudspeakers aimed into the city warn civilians of a “fierce impending attack,” (even though it has already begun), and thousands of families remain trapped in their homes, just like in Fallujah during both attacks on that city. Again, many who remain in the city cannot afford to leave because they are so poor, or they lack transportation, or they want to guard their home because it is all they have left.
Sheikh Fassal Guood, a former governor of al-Anbar said of the situation, “The situation is catastrophic. No services, no electricity, no water.” He also said, “We know for sure now that Americans and Iraqi commanders have decided to launch a broad offensive any time now, but they should have consulted with us.”
Today, a man who lives in Fallujah and who recently visited Ramadi told me, “Any new government starts with a massacre.
June 13th, 2006 at 6:02 amI am sorry I EVER gave those traitors a penny….
Comment by mighty aphrodite #3
puny hermaphrodite,
…don’t you have a beheading you and your inbred little rugrats are supposed to be the guests of honor at?
June 13th, 2006 at 8:14 am#3 – I agree completely. Why they ever decided to represent that piece of human trash, Rush Limbaugh, I’ll never understand.
With Rush not being locked up for his criminal use of perscription drugs and illegal doctor shoping, he’s now able to communicate with even more anti-American traitors that support the failed policies of Pres. Bush.
June 13th, 2006 at 8:46 amComment by Democrat Soldier #56
…well said…
June 13th, 2006 at 9:59 amGreat, American Patriot’s idiotic comments have been removed, and I look like more of a raving lunatic than ever. *sigh*
June 13th, 2006 at 10:09 amZookeeper:
That was not American Patriot,but S.G..
June 13th, 2006 at 11:47 amI posted that late last night,but it was deleted too.
If one even mentions S.G.,it gets deleted.
No frickin’ way, Denny! It was too calm, too deliberate. I’ve never seen SG maintain so long. Wow. Ok, Denny…thanks.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:26 pmZookeeper:
At the very least it was someone trying to make A.P. look bad.I really don’t think A.P. would have made himself look THAT dumb.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:46 pmI didn’t realize until a couple days ago that one could post in someone else’s exact name.
I’ll be more careful of face value from now on.
Denny-I think you’re 100% right.
[see what I mean]
June 13th, 2006 at 12:50 pmZookeeper did not write # 62-I did.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:52 pmHoly crap, don’t do that, Denny. You’re creeping me out.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:32 pmZookeeper:
Just keep that in mind on ANYTHING you read here.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:11 pmThere are some first class tricksters here that are way more sophisticated than S.G..
I think you know what I mean.
I guess I’m naive to figure if I’m straight forward, everyone else is, even if they’re saying something I don’t agree with. Thanks for the heads up, Denny — if that’s really you.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:33 pmZookeeper:
I don’t mind people changing names from time to time to convey a different message,or maybe to stave off an attack from someone else.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:00 pmWhat bugs me is when someone posts,then changes names,and bolsters or compliments their original post.
Denny, Zookeeper,
If you use a sufficient number of multi-syllabic words, trolls cannot copy your style!
:-D
June 13th, 2006 at 6:39 pmEasy for you to say, Briseadh na Faire. ;)
June 13th, 2006 at 6:57 pm# 68 Bris…
Good point.
June 13th, 2006 at 6:59 pmBut,as I think you know,I’m not necessarily talking about trolls,but an over-exposed regular.
Off topic Bris…but I think we are all trolls to one extent or the other.We are all here for some reason–That’s why I’m hesitant to throw around the moniker–troll.
Zookeeper:
I did want to tell you this before I take a break for a few hours~
You remember when S.G.posted as ’spanish cities’;well she had me fooled for atleast the first 15 or 20 posts.Either way,I still don’t think A.P.screwed this thread last night–I could be wrong though.
June 13th, 2006 at 7:17 pmIt seemed to me more like someone trying to discredit him.
Denny, I had thought AP was reasonable before, so now that I think of it, one our newer trolls may have hijacked the name. I really don’t think it was SG, because she has a very recognizable style. It doesn’t matter really, since she seems to be gone — for now.
June 13th, 2006 at 7:54 pmI understand. I am to, But it seems a lot easier to type than “dogmatic Republican talking-point posters who fail to do independent research to support their assertions”
June 14th, 2006 at 10:49 am# 73 Bris:
That’s axiomatic.
June 14th, 2006 at 11:46 amBut the greater point I’m trying to convey is about left winger here who I suspect is creating her own reality through this web-site.And I don’t mean S.G..
To me,anyone who dominates this site that much,not to mention suspected psudonyms ,is a master troll–but one sitting on top of the bridge.
One man’s troll is another man’s freedom fighter.
June 16th, 2006 at 2:32 am