Malkin On Detainee Suicides: ‘Boo-Freakin-Hoo’
By on Jun 13th, 2006 at 11:42 am
Malkin On Detainee Suicides: ‘Boo-Freakin-Hoo’
Yesterday on Fox News, Michelle Malkin mocked the suicides of three Guantanamo Bay detainees. Her reaction was so out-of-line that even O’Reilly took exception. Watch it:
Full transcript below:
MALKIN: And really, the reaction to the suicides should be, “Boo-freakin-hoo.”
O’REILLY: Well, I don’t know about that. I don’t want anybody, you know, killing themselves, but I do believe it was a political statement. Anyway —
MALKIN: Exactly.
O’REILLY: If I were in Guantanamo Bay, and I couldn’t get out — and these guys will never get out, believe me — I might commit suicide too.
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Is mighty hermaphrodite really michelle malkin?
Similarly self-righteous, similarly equipped to distort any truth or morality.
June 13th, 2006 at 11:47 amQuick, somebody lock O’Reilly up …
June 13th, 2006 at 11:48 amI agree with Malkin’s comments what are we to expect from people who will do anything to kill us and die for their cause if they want to kill themselves then by no means should we stand in the way just let them do it, thats one less detainee they have to deal with down there.
People are crazy to think we need to be trying these people in US Courts, they are Not US Citizens therefore they have Zero rights and if anyone thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.
My question to all of those who think that is do you really think if a US Soldier were taken prisoner in a radical middle eastern country would they be treated the same way we have treated these individuals at Gitmo?..The answer is no they would be tortured and some probably killed but no one who champions for human rights would care about that, instead your all worried about torturing some foreigner about information on terrorist activity.
So in closing I agree with Malkin when I say Boo Freakin Hoo….
June 13th, 2006 at 11:48 amAre there any serious adults running Fox News? Anyone…..?
June 13th, 2006 at 11:49 amObviously you’ve never read the Constitution, try it some time.
June 13th, 2006 at 11:53 amThe real problem is that there is no guarantee that the detainees are even guilty of anything. I hope some foreign government arrests Malkin overseas and holds her for 3 years without charging her with anything or access to a lawyer.
June 13th, 2006 at 11:57 amI’m sure glad there is a safe place on the internet for us to go where we can find comfort amongst friends who share our sorrow for the poor terrorists who choose to kill themselves rather than go through torture at the hands of our evil dictator – Bush. Just because they elected to all reach their wits end at exactly the same time and in exactly in the same manner does not mean that it was a coordinated effort to stick it to their mortal enemy – Us. Sacrificing their own lives to further their cause is something that these poor lost Nomads that were rounded up in the desert on their way to prayers would never conceive of doing. This is the last straw. If Bush doesn’t do exactly what the terrorists want and shut down Gitmo then he should be impeached!
June 13th, 2006 at 11:58 amIf I were in Guantanamo Bay, and I couldn’t get out — and these guys will never get out,
Uh….one was scheduled to be released, O’LIElly. To get out. Ready and able to go home. But they never told him.
Un-effin’-believable.
June 13th, 2006 at 11:59 amwho clipped the still for this post? it’s very good. i can almost see the chrome from my trailer hitch.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:03 pmDisgraceful, vugar, immoral woman
June 13th, 2006 at 12:04 pmwhy is it whenever you refer to Malkin and Coulter you use terms like “hermaphrodite” and such?? I thought hermaphrodites and queers and other sexual degenerates were like heroes to you leftards??
June 13th, 2006 at 12:04 pmThere must be some good adults runningFox because they far and away have the best ratings of any news on TV.
why is it you leftist traitors here mourn over a few less terrorist scumbags but don’t really care when ourservicemen are killed. Well you only care when US troops are killed to further your anti -war stance.
they ought to change the name of this forum to “Think Traitor” for all the anti- American dirtbags here.
I HAVE read the US Constitution- I just read the original version not the abridged liberal/progressive version that states you can change it to suit your leftist agenda. Besides the Constitution only protects Americans on American soil.
O’Reilly almost sounded like he might have a microscopic amount of compassion. This is confusing me. Is it opposite day?
June 13th, 2006 at 12:05 pmMichelle Malkin is a disgrace to humankind.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:08 pmPunchy – Wrong. He wasn’t going “home” as in back to his house, bomb vests and Soviet SAAMs – he was going to be transferred to Saudi Arabia to sit in jail.
Truth be told (and I know it can’t here) he was probably better off in Gitmo than in Saudi prison. At the very least, every lib human rights org on earth is watching Gitmo with an eagle eye.
These guys were terrorists, plain and simple. They killed themselves primarily to make a political statement. Read their bios – these aren’t guys rounded up without cause in Detroit or London. These were actual(!!!) Western Democracy hating terrorists.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:08 pmTo Chris and Ugh,
I think your morale compass is broken, go back to your playground.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:09 pmChris, the problem is that you just buy into anything this adminstration throws at you. They say these guys are locked up because they are guilty of something, and you believe it, just like you probably believe anything your minister or priest says. Is it possible that many of these people have done nothing? The answer is yes. In that case, they deserve to be tried. If we don’t have any evidence of wrongdoing, then they go free. It’s really that simple.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror every day knowing that you allow others to shape your opinions. Get some courage!
June 13th, 2006 at 12:09 pmNewk Fux Newz for Sheep Now.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:09 pmWhat more can I say?
Malkin makes BO look sympathetic – the apocalypse is now.
CAPTION CONTEST!
June 13th, 2006 at 12:10 pmShe’s trying to compete with Ann Coulter for the ‘Evil, Wicked, High Priestess Of Misery From Which There Is No Escape’ title.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:10 pm#3, Chris, why do you hate the Constitution?
June 13th, 2006 at 12:13 pmOh, and Chris, we’re not traitors. The best form of patriotism is to question idiotic political policies. Now go away and leave the discussion to the adults.
Bastard.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:13 pmShades of The Wizard of Oz – could someone toss a bucket of water on her? Sheesh.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:15 pmIt is amazing how simply robotic right wingers are when it comes to glomming onto spin phrases…..”This was a political statement”….Maybe it was, maybe it was 3 men who knew that they were never going to get any legal redress and decided to make an exit.
Just like the Coulter hubub…..How many wingers have adopted the “larger point” meme? “Sure the attack on the widows was provacative, but “THE LARGER POINT” is that the liberals always offer up victims.
This angle of argument coming from a party and a Whitehouse that put into place Tony Snow “a cancer survivor” who broke down into tears on his first day on the job talking about his cancer….From the party and Whitehouse that used a young girl who’s father was killed in Iraq as a campaign commercial…from the party that nominated Bob Dole, wounded and maimed in WWII as a presidential candidate.
Now we have “Christian” Michelle Malkin, who’s reaction to a suicide is “boo-freakin-hoo”. Michelle must have forgotten Jesus when he said: “What you do to the least of mine, you do to me.”
To any supposed Christians, I bet that Jesus’ compassion would extend to those in Gitmo.
-GSD
June 13th, 2006 at 12:16 pmIt’s too bad that three prisoners hung themselves, can I send the other four hundred some rope?
June 13th, 2006 at 12:20 pmAnon1, the problem is that you just buy into the fact that anything that this administration throws at you is lies and of evil intent. Anything! You think that just because they say that many of these inmates are not guilty of anything at all, and you believe it, just like you probably believe anything that comes out of Al Gore’s travel weary lips. If you ever wanted evidence of the guilt of these three individuals it can be found in their orchestrated Broadway production of “Death of a Jihad’sman”. What person not bent on destroying all that is Western join such a demonstration? It’s really that simple.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror every day knowing that you allow others to shape your opinions? Get some courage!
June 13th, 2006 at 12:21 pmi had no compassion for them until they hung themselves. now, i compassionatly wish they would all follow
June 13th, 2006 at 12:22 pmChris,
You obviously haven’t read the constitution. There is this small section known as the Bill of Rights….
That includes bits like this…
See what that says? Notice it uses the term “PERSON” not “CITIZEN”. The distinction is clear… No Person means NOBODY. No Citizen would mean No person who is a citizen. The framers of the constitution must have understood the difference because in Article II we find this…
If they had meant “No Citizen” then they would have said “No Citizen” The difference is clear.
So, if you don’t mind being held, without charge, indefinitely, that’s fine… But don’t impose your will on others.
And as for Michelle Malkin… WTF… She’s a Political Analyst? Doesn’t Analysis require critical thinking?
Z.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:23 pm#11… You said, “why is it you leftist traitors here mourn over a few less terrorist scumbags but don’t really care when ourservicemen are killed.” Please, point me to a single post where one of us said we did not care about a soldiers death. Also, point me to the proof that the men who commited suicide were actually terrorists.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:26 pmAre the ‘detainees’ human beings with certain rights or not? Thats the question you need to ask yourself. If you answer no, then you follow in the footsteps of every tyrant in history that seeks to dehumanize thier enemy. If you answer no, you are the mortal enemy of true Americans. There is no debate here. Its a fact.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:26 pmThere you are folks…the US Constitution is enforceable on all citizens of the world. And they say Bush pushes his ill-gotten notion of democracy on other nations. This Chris has the new world order all worked out.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:28 pmthey are Not US Citizens therefore they have Zero rights and if anyone thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.
How about their rights as living beings?
Well, we’re letting polar bears cannibalize themselves, and we certainly know that polar bears are a much higher priority on the neocons’ list of things to let live than people of ethinicty.
Makes Michelle Mouthpiece a really vile hypocrite…
June 13th, 2006 at 12:28 pmthe bill of rights was written for and about american citizens. the two words you speak of can be used at anytime, always referring to americans only.
not combatants in any other country.
how pathetic
June 13th, 2006 at 12:29 pmTo all you holier-than-thou people who like to pass judgement on people without knowing all the facts, the fact that America had due process was one of the things that made America great. Know we are just a country that wants to bully, lie, cheat and steal our way to power or to keep what limited power we have left in the world in our grasp.
Regardless to what degree these prisoner were involved in terrorism, they should be treated fairly and humanely.
We are fighting a war against an idea, it cannot be won with torturing and confining people without giving them some way to prove themselves innocent.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:29 pm#27… I think what Chris was saying was that he read the constitution without the amendments. He said “I HAVE read the US Constitution- I just read the original version not the abridged liberal/progressive version that states you can change it to suit your leftist agenda.” So I assume that means leaving out all the Amendments.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:29 pm#27 – I guess that must be the “abridged liberal/progressive version” that Chris is referring to, presumably including the 13th Amendment as well.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:29 pmWeren’t her parents born OUTSIDE the US (Phillipines)… I hate to think how she treats them…
June 13th, 2006 at 12:30 pmWow! As the trolls on this thread confirm. The right have no morals. And this is from a group, most of whom, consider themselves to be “good, decent” Christians. I can smell the hypocrisy reeking from them all the way through my computer.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:31 pmWe hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
I believe this explicitly includes ALL MEN! Do you believe that or not?
June 13th, 2006 at 12:33 pmCAPTION CONTEST!
Comment by Zookeeper — June 13, 2006 @ 12:10 pm
I can’t come up with anything civil…
June 13th, 2006 at 12:33 pmi know 3 dudes at gitmo that wont be flying any planes into anything – ever
June 13th, 2006 at 12:35 pmi know 3 dudes at gitmo that wont be flying any planes into anything – ever
You’re still available for such duty, unfortunately.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:37 pmJane – for all your venom, you might as well asume they already flew planes into buildings. What do you really know about the prisoners in gitmo? What can we know about them when they are not even allowed to plead thier case? They have no rights, not even those afforded to prisoners of war. How do you justify that as an american? You cannot, because it is UNAMERICAN.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:37 pmYou’re still available.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:38 pmthat all you got?
June 13th, 2006 at 12:39 pmi know 3 dudes at gitmo that wont be flying any planes into anything – ever
Comment by jane troll — June 13, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
What, because jail wasn’t already stopping them from doing that?
June 13th, 2006 at 12:39 pmIs there some sort of Who-Can-Spout-The-Most-Hate Contest between Malkin and Coulter? Or are these two actually the same person but with two different personae; a woman and a drag queen?
June 13th, 2006 at 12:39 pmthree empty ropes at gitmo available, no waiting
June 13th, 2006 at 12:41 pmIndeed you are if you feel that you have to defend this sort of thing…
The Bill of Rights (and the entire constitution) did not distinguish between Citizens and non-citizens for a very good reason… The disctinction was exceptionally arbitrary at the time.
The British Government refused to allow anyone to give up citizenship until the middle of the 19th century. Thus if you were born British you could always be tried (or conscripted, or shanghaied) as a British Citizen. Anyone who was a “British Citizen” in America before the revolution was still considered by the British to be a British Citizen. Given that the constitution uses both People/Person and Citizen and DRAWS A DISTINCTION between them it is not surprising that the courts have found in the past that the two terms are not indistinguishable.
Z.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:41 pmTo Jane Troll:
Don’t worry about them terrorist, your rights are eroding away pretty fast, maybe one day you can join them and hang yourself.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:42 pmThis administration LOVES trolls like Jane. All they have to do is dress up brown skinned people from an area where we are creating terrorists…. and lock them up and SAY they are terrorists. That seems to be all these idiot trolls need to come to a conclusion.
It doesn’t matter what you trolls say… you DON’T know the facts. You DON’T know if they are terrorists or not.
None of us here are saying any of the men who committed suicide WERE innocent. We are only asking for fair trials for all, because it doesn’t matter where you live in this world, we believe you are innocent until proven guilty.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:42 pmi gotta feeling i know which one jim has a crush on. come on out jim. we will support you
June 13th, 2006 at 12:43 pmMy fave is O’Reilly dismissing their suicides as a “political statement.” That’s almost as good as the Administration spokesperson who decribed the suicides as a calculate act of asymmetrical warfare. As a nation, we’re nuts.
Americans have become as callous and bloodthirsty as our enemies. We were supposed to stand for something better than that, but we don’t anymore. Too many of our “Christians” and “patriots” have decided its OK to be a feral mob of flag-waving psychos.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:45 pmi know 3 dudes at gitmo that wont be flying any planes into anything – ever
Comment by jane troll — June 13, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
i’d think the cia, fbi, nsa, etc should know about that –
June 13th, 2006 at 12:46 pmturn yourself in?
Jane troll is probaly guy, to scared to post his real name. LOL.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:46 pmJane, you ignorant slut.
You’re a sickness in America and your type must be fought. You think you’re a patriot but you dont stand for anything American. You delight in the deaths of other human beings, judging them guilty without the benefit of trial. You condone the illegal and immoral imprisonment of human beings without trial, tribunal and without representation. You are anything but American. You’re a NAZI.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:46 pmzwack, give it up ol’buddy. they dont call it the american bill of rights for nothing
June 13th, 2006 at 12:47 pmthat it little smack boy. turn your hatred toward me. i love it. i can take it
June 13th, 2006 at 12:49 pmJane, maybe you wouldn’t be so uncaring if you got laid once in a while.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:49 pmAnd now you do what they told ya, now you’re under control
June 13th, 2006 at 12:51 pmAnd now you do what they told ya, now you’re under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you’re under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you’re under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you’re under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you’re under control
And now you do what they told ya, now you’re under control
And now you do what they told ya!
PointMan
No. Again you’re wrong. I question everyone, right and left. I do my own research, I butter my own toast, thank you very much. And when wer’re talking about liberal policies, then I’ll quesiton that as well on this board. But, little boy, we’re talking about Gitmo, and Bush’s policies. So the opportunity is not before me.
And when I look in the mirror, little one, I’m just fine. Nice try, though.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:52 pmYou’re a sociopath, Jane. You should admit yourself to the nearest mental health facility.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:52 pmyeah ok katy, i’ll let em know about those hangings. yeah katy your’e right they probably don’t yet. good job katy. (bless her heart)
June 13th, 2006 at 12:53 pmChris is yet another scoundrel who has found his last refuge.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:54 pmpoor little woman hating david.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:55 pmRemember people,
“Don’t feed the Trolls”.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:57 pmJane….
I am not now, nor have I ever been your buddy. I am not particularly old either…
And uh… it’s known as “The Bill Of Rights” NOT “The American Bill Of Rights”…
Try a Google search on both terms. You’ll find 6,100,000 entries for “The Bill of Rights” but only 33,800 entries for “The American Bill Of Rights”
Even more telling is the top link…
Yes, the US Government calls it “The Bill of Rights”…
Z.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:58 pmyou scared dave?
June 13th, 2006 at 12:58 pmwoman hating david, LOL
nice try – next.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:59 pmTrolls like dear ol’ Jane (bless her tiny little heart) are dimestore versions of Malkin/Coulter. They want to be famous for spouting hate but lack even the modicum of talent those two hags possess.
Sad really. They’re like those kids in school who would get into trouble just to get attention. Even if it was negative.
June 13th, 2006 at 12:59 pmI am scared??????????
whatever – next.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:00 pmJane
Now don’t the Geneva Conventions class as a treaty?
June 13th, 2006 at 1:00 pmThere is only one solution to the Nazis who have stolen this country from the people (and Nazi asshats like many commenting here in support of torture, murder, and the destruction of our civil liberties): Paper Ballots, Hand Counted. We must vote this scum out of office, impeach, indict, imprison or execute, and then take away the right to broadcast from Mammoth Lying Operations like Fux “news” and the other corporate media whores. All of which is moot if the Nazi nuke Iran and put in place martial law before the elections — which is very likely at this point.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:00 pmdont flirt with me zwack
June 13th, 2006 at 1:00 pmAnyone notice at the bottom of the pic of Michelle in the ticker. Just to the right it says “Terror Alert: E”. I’m assuming “E” was to be “Elevated”. Here they come again just in time for the November elections! Your old favorite, the great American terror alert rainbow color chart!
So, Jane Troll (whore tool), time to be afraid. They’re coming for you Jane! Feel the fear! Run, Jane, Run!!!
June 13th, 2006 at 1:00 pmModerated by Admin
June 13th, 2006 at 1:01 pmI think our little Michelle is bothered that Ann Coulter is getting all the negative attention and wants to make sure that people remember that there is more than one female lunatic “pundit” avail for morning junkets.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:02 pmyou go patriot!!! now thats what i’m talkin about.
all your buddies here will be pulling the lever for you
June 13th, 2006 at 1:03 pmWell, I thought that the Bill of Rights was designed to not only enumerate the rights inherent to the individual, but equally importantly to proscribe the power of the government. Clearly, there is not expressed authority in the Constitution that gives the government the right to hold these people without a trial or charges. That is the point of the Bill of Rights – it is a double stricutre: individuals have rights that are protected, AND the government has no basis upon which to deny those rights. That’s just what I thought.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:06 pmJane – the first step is the hardest, admitting to yourself you have a problem.
You know what I am talking about, like when people stop talking when you walk up to them, and quickly find something else to do to keep from socializing with you. It’s all right, its not your fault. Your just not likeable, but there is hope.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:06 pm#75 — this web site has not the balls to admit it. but what you say is what they are all thinking. and this web site should be the home for that kinda crap
June 13th, 2006 at 1:07 pmfeed me dave. come on. dont cry
June 13th, 2006 at 1:08 pmI can’t beleive the inuman monsters that the bush fanatics will follow no matter what! Are they all on drugs or something (maybe the drug of ignorance perhaps)
June 13th, 2006 at 1:08 pmJane, your probaly so fat, I couldn’t feed you enough to satisfy you.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:09 pmJane,
If you think that that is flirting then you should get out and meet some real men once in a while. Not your sad excuse for a boyfriend who gets drunk and beats you up every Friday night. I was being civil… Which is apparently more than you can do.
As you obviously can’t debate are delusional, and refuse to admit when you are wrong I can’t see any point in continuing this conversation.
As William Burroughs said in his “Words of Advice for young people“…
Z.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:10 pmChris –
You are an ill-informed idiot.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:10 pmHave a nice day.
Chris you are so out of line – where do you get off saying that liberals don’ t care when a serviceman is killed. You can’t say such stupid crap just to make a non-point. You know who doesn’t care about the men/women in military — people like YOU!! The administration aka war criminals sent mostly kids off to die in a war that didn’t need to be fought and thousands of families have been ripped apart – and hundrends of thousands of innocent Iraqi’s have died for no reason. So who doesn’t care – the chicken hawks running the show and people like you who just regergitate what they’re told! There was no reason to fight this war, yet our soldiers continue to die for nothing. Saddam was a fascist dictator but he was contained – now we’ve increased terrorism in the world and made terrorist recruiting efforts much easier. We are not safer today – just look at the facts and stop believing the bull your being fed – there is no excuse for being un-informed. As far as Gitmo – again no excuse for being un-informed, there are hundreds being held there that haven’t done anything and how dare you compare how other countries would handle our prisoners – this is America you idiot, we use to do things differently here!
June 13th, 2006 at 1:11 pmThe truth about trolls is they have nothing to add to the dialog. They wont debate because they lose, so they sow discord into the conversation by taking the most extreme position possible. They never can back up this position with logic because its totally illogical and is designed to provoke an emotional response. I’ve been caught up in it more times than I like to admit, mainly because I cant believe that someone would take up such an insane position.
The main thing to realize, is that these people are in the minority. They have always been.
Man’s nature is not essentially evil. Brute nature has been known to yield to the influence of love. You must never despair of human nature. - Mohandas Gandhi
June 13th, 2006 at 1:11 pmbring it to me little dave. that all you got little boy? are you gonna run away again?
June 13th, 2006 at 1:12 pmMalkin is without a soul.I believe she is a Catholic.The Nuns MUST be proud of here.This phoney-baloney conservative “macho” cr*p is sickening!
June 13th, 2006 at 1:13 pmnotsobigbelow = jane troll
Not satisfied enough trolling under one pseudonym.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:13 pmviolence begets violence.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:14 pmsuicide begets suicide.
There’s no getting around it, everyone will pay, eventually, for the debacle in Iran. There are no good guys in this war, only victims. There’s no “US and THEM” there’s only us – all of us, and all of us are paying the price for violence as a solution to a problem that stems from greed and the hunger for power. While this boat is slowly sinking y’all should stop snapping at eachother and start figuring out what we’re going to do to keep from sinking. We all have our self-righteous opinions but no one will be very interested in them once the water has risen above our nostrils.
They were obviously holding them and mistreating them while trying to figure out WWJD!!!!!!!!
June 13th, 2006 at 1:14 pmpoor zwack. he’s finished having a conversation and nobody gives a shit! what will he do next that no -one gives a shit about?
June 13th, 2006 at 1:16 pmwhy are you all bothering with janetroll & chris? They are trolls for christ’s sake! They won’t admit being wrong, that isn’t their point. Their point is to screw with our heads.
Don’t let the trolls dictate your day. read them once, skip them afterwards. They aren’t worth the bother of trying to communicate as they won’t. Not on an adult level.
We are all agreed that even non-citizens on US soil (Guantamo is technically US soil) have the same rights as citizens. Well except our resident trolls. Who cares about those numb reichtwingnutz though? i sure as hell don’t.
Malkin? right up there with Michael Savage & Ann (transexual) Scarecrow.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:18 pmJane, Jane, Jane.
You don’t even realize who is playing who. I am having fun with you. I love insulting people who are to stupid to realize they are being insulted. I have called you fat, unsocialable, and told you that you needed to get laid, and you take it bending over like a trooper.
All the people on this board know you for what you are, you are not fooling anyone, I am sure your parents are proud they raised such a weak pathetic person.
But alas, the fun must end, I have worldly duties to attend to.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:19 pmkindness, you’re right.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:20 pmTrolls hijack threads so that the dialog is redirected at them instead of the topic.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:20 pmJane, you have nothing intellient or meaningful to say – why don’t you continue you’re childish posts on MySpace.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:21 pmright! so step right up jane and take one of those ropes! help protect our freedoms!
June 13th, 2006 at 1:21 pmyou’ve got jim convinced that ann is a boy. this site should be re-named the simple mind
June 13th, 2006 at 1:22 pm[Moderated by admin.]
June 13th, 2006 at 1:23 pmThis chick is a low-rent Ann Coulter. Why are we wasting time on her?
June 13th, 2006 at 1:25 pmIn Nazi Germany the German people laugh,mocked,beat and turned in their Jewish neighbors are we as Americans turning into something close to this?
June 13th, 2006 at 1:25 pmbring it on little children. i love it.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:27 pmO´Reilly:
Someone please take him to visit the prison.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:27 pmevryone is getting a new identity. i wonder which one little davey is
June 13th, 2006 at 1:28 pmall you lefties here sound like an illiterate cross between Michael moore and john kerry. You leftards all follow that same liberal lockstep don’t ya?? You believe everything the NY Times and Boston globe and moveon.org don’t you??
June 13th, 2006 at 1:29 pmMichelle Mailkin should be president!
Malkin and Coulter should stop politicing this issue. I mean when their minds died it was a tragic incident but now they are making money off of this event by writing books and trying to influence our government . And I am sure they are happy their minds were killed. I bet their minds would have left them anyway if they weren’t destroyed in that kool-aid attack. Stop being media whores just because you were afflicted with this tragedy.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:32 pmCould the 10% of America furthest to the right stand up? Great, now the 10% of America furthest to the left stand up? Good. Now you 20%, we’re going to lock you in Wyoming (hey, nothing personal, Wyomians, you just have a lot of space available) and let you duke it out.
The other 80% of us have crap to do. We’ll get more accomplished in one week without you around than has been ‘accomplished’ in the past six years.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:32 pmAll crazy pundits to the breach! Stick your fingers in the dyke! Stick your whole head in any hole you can find! The leaks are turning into floods, and the most extreme measures are called for! Malkin and Coulter, climb on in there and start sliming, girls, the End Days that the far right have called down from on high is looking pretty stupid to the rest of us, so do not seem to be backing away! The END depends on you. Get in there and call everyone as many vile names as possible girls. You can get the hate back on track.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:32 pmJANE! who let you out! Get back under my desk this instant and where is your inbred brother John? Bad girl! No treat for you!
June 13th, 2006 at 1:33 pmFirst of all Keith H. (comment #59) gets props for the Rage Against the Machine reference. And post #75 is disgusting.
With that being typed, I would like to make sure I have a few things correct:
Traitor = Someone who belives we should abide by treaties we have signed and not treat our enemies the same way they would treat us, thus proving that we are better than them. It’s someone who knows that torture is ineffective and inhumane, and that the rule of law should apply.
Patriot = Someone who disregards all treaties we have signed and should treat everyone that disagrees with us like crap because, you know, they wouldn’t treat us well. It’s someone who thinks torture is just dandy because the person on the receiving end deserves, whether or not they’re actually guilty.
Do I have that right?
June 13th, 2006 at 1:36 pmYou all waste your time on the antagonists. I mean, really, why? In their world, which they are forcing upon you, all is great and the murderous thieves that you all have become is “okay” because you all are making a profit out of it.
Think of it this way. When the world rises up and wipes the US off the map, they will be the ones standing there with their thumbs up their asses saying – “Who could have seen that coming?” To which you will be able to reply – “Anyone with a modicum of sense! Now, grab that broom and dustpan so that we can sweep up the ashes of our families.”
You all are speeding down a dead-end road headed for a catastrophic event but instead of doing something about it, you, like spoiled children, just sit there and argue about which radio station should be playing.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:37 pmFox News is really a circus. My god, what kind of political eloquency: Boo-Freakin-Hoo. Ms. Malkin: Thank you very much for confirming the fact that Right Wingers are really a bunch of illiterate thugs when it comes to intelligence, elegance and diplomacy.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:38 pmChris –
Rush called. He needs his listener back.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:39 pmPerfect. I love these lunatics. They are the true heart of the modern day rethuglican party. If the Dems have any strategy-sense at all, they will use the words of idiots like Malkin and Coulter against the rethugs every minute of everyday. Really put the cold dead soul of the party on display and ask the American people if this is really the kind of ethics and mentality that they want representing them in DC and the state capitols
June 13th, 2006 at 1:39 pmCAPTION:
“Oooooh! That is big!”
June 13th, 2006 at 1:39 pmThe fact that women like Michelle Malkin and Anne Coulter have the prominence they do in America is a sad testimony of the absence of any strong leadership from its men. Nature abhors a vacuum. When the men in the positions of power and influence won’t say it like it is—then women will rise to the occasion and will say those things. Granted, her message sounds rather harsh, but only those who refuse to put the issues concerning the war on terror in perspective will be offended.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:40 pmshe is nasty looking….fake tan and all
June 13th, 2006 at 1:42 pmIn addition there is very solid proof that over 90% of all gitmo detainees were handed over to our troops by bounty hunters (american and afghani). Most / if not all have never committed a crime nor were they carrying arms or fighting against us.
Most of them are former anti-taliban fighters who were taken into custody by rival war lords.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:42 pmAnd when the Jews chose mass suicide at Masada rather than succumb to the Romans they were martyred for all of history. So those of you who are rejoicing at the Gitmo suicides unmittingly support their cause. Aren’t you proud?
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June 13th, 2006 at 1:44 pmunmittingly – - umm, unwittingly. Carrion….
June 13th, 2006 at 1:44 pmHumans are the cause of global warming according to libs. Maybe more of the libs should take the detainees lead and save the Earth.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pmHermaphrodite!?
Are you using the same type of dick I’m using?
June 13th, 2006 at 1:45 pmRegardless, let’s not confuse morality with legality Is it right to lock up these peopl in Gitmo? Is is really OK to put these people in cages, with them not knowing if or when they could be released? Is it right that many of these people are probably innocent and/or uncharged with any crime against humanity? As far as I’m concerned, this argument really has nothing to do with the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It’s down to basic right and wrong for me.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:46 pmHow did America become so full of rage and hate.Does “Born-Again Christianity”,have anything to do with it?WHO WOULD JESUS KILL?
June 13th, 2006 at 1:46 pmGranted, her message sounds rather harsh, but only those who refuse to put the issues concerning the war on terror in perspective will be offended.
I wish I had the time to point out the callousnous and backwards rationality in this statement.
But, alas, I have work to do. Good luck with your hate-filled rhetoric and your trouncing on basic human rights and decency.
Jesus would be so proud of you. And the founding fathers. I’m sure they’d be pleased, too.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:46 pmAnd these are the people le who call themselves ‘pro-life.’ Boo-Freakin-Hoo.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:46 pmRight-wing media whores (you know who I’m talking about)…
Michelle Malkin and Ann Coulter are keeping their names in the news (or at least the liberal blogosphere) this week. Ms. Malkin seems to think that suicide is painless and as for Ms. Coulter, well, she’s making the same ass……
June 13th, 2006 at 1:47 pmCAPTION: “My lips are stuck this way from kissing Neocon ass for the past five years.”
June 13th, 2006 at 1:49 pmMichelle was getting envoius of Anne,who has been getting all the bloggers space lately.So she felt compelled to make a lunatic remark.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:49 pmLol! …and btw all you lefty-geeks. You can stop the fake-bashing on Malkin on her looks.
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June 13th, 2006 at 1:51 pmTroll, Jane, Chris, this is my answer to you: whatever, kids.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:51 pmYou call yourself pro-choice. They choose to commit suicide. We just support that choice.
June 13th, 2006 at 1:52 pmLol! …and btw all you lefty-geeks. You can stop the fake-bashing on Malkin on her looks.
We all know that if you saw a picture of her wearing a catholic school-girl skirt while playing an X-box you’d spooge all over in a matter of seconds.
How piously conservative of you.
Does your God know you use words like ’spooge?’
June 13th, 2006 at 1:54 pmboob you are a narrow minded bigot. Not every conservative believed in God. MORON
June 13th, 2006 at 1:56 pmCatholic school girl outfit…. can you say “projection”? I thought you could.
I’m glad these trolls as well as Malkin/Coulter are exposing the right for the hatefilled, racist, christofascists they are.
Keep it up. The more America sees you for what you really are the more they’ll reject you.
Like poll numbers show they’re doing. You’re on the path to extinction.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:00 pmUnfortunately, I believe most Americans feel that an American life is worth more than any other life. This is definitely reflective in the responses of people who could truly care less whether or not the captives of Guantanamo are guilty. These people feel that a non-American life is worth shit. How miserable.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:02 pmThe left laments these suicides since these individuals were not able to take any innocent civilians with them. Alas, the maximum effect could not be utilized in your anti-war chant. Nonetheless these suicides took place at Gitmo, Your treasonous imaginations will have to take solace in your limitless invention of scandal and cover-ups.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:03 pmI’m curious as to when valuing a life became treasonous.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:05 pmAntagonist. I am sure you got it all covered, little scared bunny.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:06 pmFox news is nothing more than a Jerry Springer news network of bull _hit, lies and misinformation
June 13th, 2006 at 2:07 pmI acn only hope that the Warrior President declares war on the Phillipines just so that this bitch can be interned and she can enjoy all the wonderful amenities of prison camp.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:07 pmChris, Chris, Chris. We leftards DO care about U.S. servicemen and women. That’s why we’re calling for them to COME HOME!!!!
June 13th, 2006 at 2:14 pmThe problem is not that they commited suicide but why..There is a reason why the Red Cross and the UN have not been permited to see the prisoners. We all know people like ( Chris) who have stated absurd comments on this blog and people like Ann Coulter only speak out of fear. Its a shame that only 29% of people think this way. With education lacking in the last few years, I see why… The gitmo prisoners are being held without reason and that alone should be a real fear for the citizens of the United States
June 13th, 2006 at 2:18 pmOh Michelle, your just trying to get attention, like your friend Ann did.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:18 pmEven Nazi war criminals had representation. The Japanese, too. But it’s a new day and I guess we can treat anybody anyway we want. I mean who’s gonna stop us? War gives us the permission to stoop as low, or even lower, than our enemies just as long as we win. Once the dust has settled, then we can all reset our moral compasses.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:20 pmHow piously conservative of you.
Does your God know you use words like ’spooge?’
This idea – more than ANY OTHER – is exactly why The Democrats have been losing power for the last 40 years. You farking morons believe that everyone voting for Republicans is a religious conservative.
Hate to break it to you – DUMBASS – but we’re not. We’re the Libertarians you’ve managed to chase out of the party by bending over and worshiping at the alter of global dictator-appeasement, moral and cultural relativity, and political correctness.
Don’t blame all the real men from leaving your side of the aisle. They’ve never liked panty-waists before, and they never will.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:21 pmIt does really seem like conservatives are in a race to the bottom for which of them can be the most insensitive and outrageous in their rhetoric. Both Coulter and Malkin have made the fortunes by these types of statements. It is a damn shame that either of these fakirs are considered “analysts” by anyone, even if we are talking about Faux News.
The truth about Gitmo is that the United States is illegally holding prisioners outside of our territory to place these detainees in a grey legal status and so that they can avoid (for as long as possible) the due process that is guaranteed under our Constitution. There is no reason that the men being held at Gitmo can’t be brought to US soil and face trial. President Clinton was able to pursue and prosecute the men responsible for the first bombing of the WTC without resorting to holding them on foreign soil, throwing out the Geneva Convention and ignoring the US Constitution. Why can’t Dubya do the same thing with these men? Despite the possibility that some of them could be members of Al Qaeda or the Taliban, are they not still human beings? Have we no respect whatsoever for the lives of other people? It doesn’t matter one whit if “the other side” would respond in kind; what matters is who we are and how we comport ourselves.
PS: I’d like to suggest that we stop feeding the trolls. They are not here to discuss issues, or even to learn new facts or to hear the opinions of others and engage in civil discourse. They are here to bog us all down in tangential discussions that are (mostly) irrelevant to the topic at hand. Since they can’t seem to defend Malkin’s remarks they resort to name-calling, spurious arguments and outright lies. If no one engages them they will go away. Besides, we all know that many of the recurring trolls on this and other progressive websites are paid employees of the GOP and spend their days sowing discord whereever they can. Is it really worth anyone’s time to “argue” with such people?
June 13th, 2006 at 2:25 pmJust a reminder:
June 13th, 2006 at 2:25 pmYour leftist leadership supports the Long War-and the accompanying NSA spying and “Enemy Combatant” classification as expressed by President Bush which allows for indefinite detention without representation as well as rendition. See you at the polls!
People like Chris, venmax, troll, and others (posters on ‘our’ side as well) have illustrated one thing for sure:
Political discourse in this country is dead. Hatred and namecalling has replaced it.
Way to go, us. If we just keep calling each other names, that’s bound to fix all of the problems, right?
June 13th, 2006 at 2:27 pmAww, she is so cute, boo freakin whooo!!! THey could be just like a nigga in the wrong place at the wrong time, but would that matter??. White people(chris) just can’t understand that I guess.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:28 pmComment by Antagonist — June 13, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
Go take a lesson on anatomy… You don’t need a penis to have a thought or an opinion…
Actually, if you’d go do some research, you’d find that in countries where women have equal rights – the country is much better off. Countries where women have equal rights, like Sweden, Norway, Germany, Spain and Canada, have less crime and better health than those where women are second-class like oh, pick one in the Middle East where they are constantly at war with one another of nonsense like religion…
June 13th, 2006 at 2:29 pm…But, alas, I have work to do. Good luck with your hate-filled rhetoric and your trouncing on basic human rights and decency.
Jesus would be so proud of you. And the founding fathers. I’m sure they’d be pleased, too.
Comment by bobcat_grad — June 13, 2006 @ 1:46 pm
You probably believe in the liberal, humanitarian, peace-loving, politically correct Jesus of your imagination, and not the Jesus in the Bible. There are innumerous examples of absolutes in the Bible—good and evil, right and wrong, heaven and hell, wise and foolish, friend and foe. Jesus himself said that he who is not with me is against me. That being said, there are absolutes in the world today. We are at war against an enemy who will terrorize our cities, our citizens, and our way of life—unless we stop them. When a war is declared, a line is drawn. Assuming that you are a U.S. citizen, your country is at war! You’re either on one side of that line, or on the other. When one has more compassion for the enemy or its allies, than they do for the good of their own country, then it’s not hard to figure out which side of the line they’re on…Traitor!
June 13th, 2006 at 2:30 pmDon’t you people have Jobs? Go to work and be productive instead of make each other feel good on blogs.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:32 pmbobcat_grad
The trouble is, if you look at the replies the Right’s actually come up with, particularly Jane Troll, there is no argument there. Take away the Ad-Hominem attack and the lies, and there is nothing left, so its pointless even trying to argue.
And yes, there are leftwingers who are just as bad. Frequently I am just as bad, but frankly, what else can you do in the face of posts like the following?
June 13th, 2006 at 2:33 pm
Jane only proves – some AMericans deserve 1000 911’s
June 13th, 2006 at 2:33 pmshes a lowlife
Jon- I think your using big words that they wont understand… As their president says, “See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.”. Whats next leaflets from above. Its truename calling and bashing is what the scholl yard bully use to do. I do enjoy Coulter coments abouut the 9/11 wives as if they are enjoying thier husbands death buy going on TV and denouncing the administration…But yet Coulter has made more money from 9/11 then she ever did before or at least before when she a man ( ok sorry, I should have not said that becuase i know that I will be called un american and a leftist) Let me put on my flag lapel first..There, am I ok now!
June 13th, 2006 at 2:35 pmWhat a unacceptable society you all live in, comments like hers would not be on TV to brainwash American mentality, bashaka to America
June 13th, 2006 at 2:35 pmSo, this is what it looks like in the pre-civil war years of a country…
June 13th, 2006 at 2:35 pmUnbelievable,
Your right about countries with women’s rights. I know how you feel about animal abuse, but how do you feel about plant abuse?
June 13th, 2006 at 2:37 pmWhy is it that the only discourse the conservatives can provide is what we’ve witnessed in this thread and in the words of Malkin/Coulter?
What happened to principled, thinking conservatives? I remember them. They USED to exist.
Conservatism is dead. What passes for conservatism wouldn’t be recognized by the famous conservative leaders of yesteryear.
We live in an Atwater/Rove created world now. I wouldn’t mind having a REAL conservative instead of this failed-human dictatorial imbecile we currently have POSING as a conservative.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:38 pmFascists will not let go until their country is in ruins and the surviving people just can’t take the crap anymore and put them into a dim corner where they have to shut up.
Fascists preach hate and hate seduces the masses. Hate makes people feel important, powerful. They can forget that they have an unimportant life in some cubicle when they feel better than billions of others who are ‘enemies’.
Once hate takes hold there is no stopping until many died and towns lie in ruins. Hate destroys. Haters can destroy many others but in the end they self destruct.
O’Reilly, Coulter, Mallkin etc. will one day be remembered with the same disdain as a Goebbels. But they have their time during which they successfully seduce their audience and turn them into killing zombies.
And fascists cannot be converted with arguments. They feel they are right and if you are not of the same opinion, you become their enemy. Fascists might develop doubts in their superiority when they bury their kids or dig out their families from under the rubble but then it is too late.
“I sit and watch as tears go by”
June 13th, 2006 at 2:40 pmReal conservatives are much more polite than Malkin, Coulter, et.al. What happened?
June 13th, 2006 at 2:40 pmAntagonist…
Jesus also told people to turn the other cheek…
and said that
He who is without sin should cast the first stone…
So, which is it to be? The love one another Jesus or the kill my enemies Jesus?
Wait,… Did Jesus say “Kill my enemies?”
Ummm….
Ummm….
I give… perhaps you can find that quote for me.
“‘My country, right or wrong’ is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying ‘My mother, drunk or sober.’” -
— GK Chesterton
Z.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:41 pmBTW- for all you leftist, commie, un godly traitor bastards that we are, should we be explaining that terroist is nothing new. Its an old concept. I am not saying its right but I dont see many people running to help stop the IRA and counties in Africa. I dont see this govt speaking out about the Michigan Malisha anymore. We are all human beings so why dont we act like it.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:41 pmPro-life, eh?
June 13th, 2006 at 2:43 pmDerric
Only before it leaves the womb, after that its either rich or a burden on society.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:48 pmThe fact that so much space is being devoted to Michelle Malkin’s reactionary vitriol proves that she’s already accomplished her goal.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#155
June 13th, 2006 at 2:51 pmIn your tireless war on religion, you will even stoop in an attempt to reinvent the human species. Men and women are indeed equal, yet we are different. We’re different physically, emotionally, and psychologically. In face, recent studies have proven that there’s even a difference between male an female brains. The way we process information is different. Like it or not, men and women have roles—in the family and in society. And before you get all huffy, I’m not suggesting that womens roles are subservient to mens roles. We live in an age where men by and large have abandoned their roles. Hence we have a generation of girls living in confusion—overwhelmed by the pressure of living up to ever changing expectations of who they’re supposed to be. If you would take your own advice and do some research, you would change your opinion. Find the societies which have the healthiest, most functional families, and you’ll see people who are content in their roles as men and women. You’ll also find a strong society. That’s what made America Great, but as Americas’ families disintegrated, we’ve become plagued with insurmountable social problems—and weakened as a nation.
how do you feel about plant abuse?
Comment by For Truth — June 13, 2006 @ 2:37 pm
I saw a show on television years ago. It was documentary show. They aired the results of a study that scientists had done with plants. They connected electrodes to the plant to monitor its biorhythms (I think). The plants were subjected to a series of tests to see if they had any measurable reaction to their own abuse, as well as the abuse of other plants and animals. The results were profound.
Not only is a plant stressed by abuse it receives, but it is also stressed by the abuse to other living things in its envirnoment. They used the results to explain the health of house plants…
I think those who abuse anything are the problem – whether a plant or a puppy or another human being. Someone who gets off on torturing other living beings is not fit to be around other living beings…
June 13th, 2006 at 2:54 pmCome on guys, it was all planned, MM will say it and BO will question it. Make’s one of them appear human.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:55 pmYou are too funny. Have you been paying attention to the writings from the leftards here? Hate and bigotry are second nature to you guys. You just think your brand of hate is normal so you think you hold the highground when indeed you blazed the path of intolerance.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:56 pmNo lib said a word when you racist pigs made bigoted comments about malkins race. Give me a break.
June 13th, 2006 at 2:59 pmHey Troll- Please tell me 3 left thinking progressive pundits that attack and also are bigots plus promote hate.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:02 pmAnd sexist comments. you’d think at least unbelievable who allegedly is a progressive woman would have called the pigs on that but no she turns a blind eye on the blatant racism and sexism of the left.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:02 pmGod bless us all
June 13th, 2006 at 3:07 pmIn your tireless war on religion, you will even stoop in an attempt to reinvent the human species.
It’s my effort to show people how much better life is without the irrational definitions imposed by the self-imposed authorities of organized religion. I don’t have to make things up like your side. It’s why Atheism has no book or collection plate…
Men and women are indeed equal, yet we are different.
How long did it take you to figure that one out?
We’re different physically, emotionally, and psychologically. In face, recent studies have proven that there’s even a difference between male an female brains. The way we process information is different.
To a degree, our brians are slightly different. But a degree of that is a result of cultural indoctrination during our formative years when girls are given dolls to play with and coddled, while boys are expected to be chin up if their Red Rider shoots an eye out.
Like it or not, men and women have roles—in the family and in society.
Culturally – not genetically. In matriarchal cultures the roles of men are different than those in patriarchal cultures. Matriarchal cultures, for instance, have no war and very little revenge or hostility…
And before you get all huffy, I’m not suggesting that womens roles are subservient to mens roles.
I don’t get huffy. (But thanks for displaying your male-dominant character). I use my brain, which mught be different than yours – but more for how much I use it for thought and logic and reason than as a place to put a hat.
We live in an age where men by and large have abandoned their roles.
It is a human being’s right to define him or herself. Not yours to decalae what is universal based on some out-dated book that comes in 16 different versions.
Hence we have a generation of girls living in confusion—overwhelmed by the pressure of living up to ever changing expectations of who they’re supposed to be.
Did you just time warp out of the Middle Ages? Girls are NOT confused. Ask any high school girl what she wanst in life and she can tell you. It’s traditionalist like you who try to tell her she is confused… Stop and she’ll be fine.
If you would take your own advice and do some research, you would change your opinion. Find the societies which have the healthiest, most functional families, and you’ll see people who are content in their roles as men and women.
I did do my research. I explained it already. Societies are better off when women aren’t stoned for being witches… Or told that they must give birth to a baby they don’t want… or call them whores for enjoying sex… or telll them that they came from some guy’s rib – whenthe reality is that the Y chromosome evolved from an X – to increase the ability for stronger species…
You’ll also find a strong society. That’s what made America Great, but as Americas’ families disintegrated, we’ve become plagued with insurmountable social problems—and weakened as a nation.
Comment by Antagonist — June 13, 2006 @ 2:51 pm
What made America great was a group of liberals who had the forsight to write it down (Constitution) that everyone had the right to life, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of happiness. They didn’t define those words intentionally – because they left it up to each person to decide for themselves. It’s called FREEDOM.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:13 pm#181
The likes of Malkin and Coulter consistantly decry these tactics of the left—and what does the left do? Heap example after example of them in their denounciation of outspoken conservatives.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:15 pmAnd sexist comments. you’d think at least unbelievable who allegedly is a progressive woman would have called the pigs on that but no she turns a blind eye on the blatant racism and sexism of the left.
Comment by troll — June 13, 2006 @ 3:02 pm
I can’t fight every battle… Besides I thought I was doing just that in my ‘exchange’ with Antagonist?
Don’t hold me to a higher standard than yo holdyorself. You don’t like it, you pick up a (gun in your case – keyboard in mine) and do something about it. You back seat drivers really aren’t helpful…
June 13th, 2006 at 3:15 pmUnbelievable you could not have said it better
June 13th, 2006 at 3:16 pmUnbelievable you could not have said it better
Comment by Jason — June 13, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
Thanks Jason… He still won’t get it though. He never does…
June 13th, 2006 at 3:20 pmHe wont get it becuase he is afraid.. I bet he does not even know why he is, that he just is. Just becuase we speak out and go against the grain we are wrong. I like your closing about how us liberals are why we are who we are today..United States
June 13th, 2006 at 3:24 pmUnbelievable I am sure you spoke right out when leftards attacked C. Rice on her race too. You are such obvious hypocrits and thats why the dems keep losing.
btw I can name 2 off hand k. oberman and m. more. Ill come up with the 3rd soon.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:25 pmyou have to come up with the third..is it that hard for you. And of these guys..quote words of hate and bigotry
June 13th, 2006 at 3:29 pmThe status of Gitmo internees is not that of prisoners of war, or is it? The Third Geneva Convention, inexplicably, says that guerrillas have combatant status, not in wearing a uniform but in carrying a weapon (http://www.genevaconventions.org/). And when they aren’t carrying a weapon, they are, conveniently and maddeningly enough, civilians.
Usually people say that the GenCon requires uniforms for guerrilla fighters to be accorded prisoner of war status.
They are human beings, but the Gitmo internees are humans who chronically mix into and out of civilian populations, putting civilians at risk and even publicly announcing the intention to harm civilians. What particular rule of law should apply to such slippery combatants?
They’re humans–we should give them access to some things but they should not be accorded the same legal rights as an American citizen or even a uniformed prisoner of war fighting for an organized and internationally recognized opposition. Al-Quaida, so far as I know, has not recieved official diplomatic status in any semi-reputable country.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:30 pmAny links to back up your claims there troll? Come on, if you prove me wrong I’ll admit it.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:35 pmMee so hawney. Me love you long time
June 13th, 2006 at 3:38 pmGod!!! Demobrats and republitards are all the same thing. Plus 2 parties? How is that democratic??? Oh land of the Freeedom……Blah……Blah……..Blah………..Thank god I’m going back to europe soon.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:39 pm“I HAVE read the US Constitution- I just read the original version not the abridged liberal/progressive version that states you can change it to suit your leftist agenda. Besides the Constitution only protects Americans on American soil.”
Can you tell me where I might find a copy of the liberal/progressive version? And do you really think the Constitution only protects Americans on American soil? If so, you should go find a 7th grade civics class somewhere and learn something.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:39 pmIt boggles my mind that someone would be shameless or silly enough to think that way.
Let me quote my favorite redneck comic, Ron White. “Next time you have a thought, let it go.”
He wont get it becuase he is afraid.. I bet he does not even know why he is, that he just is. Just becuase we speak out and go against the grain we are wrong. I like your closing about how us liberals are why we are who we are today..United States
Comment by Jason — June 13, 2006 @ 3:24 pm
I agree… It seems that fear on the right that binds them to tehir tradition – no matter how obsolete that tradition has become – or how detrimental. I’m frequently surprised that so many of them use a computer :)
Thanks. I just use the facts :)
June 13th, 2006 at 3:40 pmShe must have a book coming out too lol. How do we breed so many inhuman hate mongers in this country?
June 13th, 2006 at 3:41 pmAhhhhh… the old canard of “The Left”.
Let me tell you all something – there is no “Left” in this country. Democrats are accused of being “leftist” and “far left” but in fact there is much more similarity between Dems and Repugs than the punditocracy would have us thing.
If there were an “American Left”, it would be promoting ideas like:
* Restoring labor unions to their full strength and rolling back anti-union legislation
* Eliminating the “minimum wage” and replacing it with a “living wage”
* Rolling back the huge tax giveaway that Bush and the GOP have given to the wealthy
* Removing the cap on the amount of income that is taxable for Social Security, etc.
* Placing a 100% tax on all income over $1 million
* Publicly-funded healthcare for all Americans
* Publicly-funded election campaigns
* Publicly-funded education, free to all Americans through the PhD level
* Expanded representation in Congress and a realignment of how seats are distibuted in both the House and the Senate
* Working with the UN and our international allies to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as to address the ongoing genocidal conflicts in Africa and other parts of the world
* Removing obstacles to the civil rights of women, African-Americans, gays and lesbians, etc.
I could go on and on, but I think you get my point. A true “Left” would be much more radical in its demands than the center-right leadership of today’s Democratic party. How sad that we don’t have such an entity active in American politics. It would be a nice alternative to the “more of the same” crowd who dominate the Democratic party.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:41 pmUnbelievable I am sure you spoke right out when leftards attacked C. Rice on her race too. You are such obvious hypocrits and thats why the dems keep losing.
Comment by troll — June 13, 2006 @ 3:25 pm
Again – can’t fight every battle. I do what I can. Which, is more than ad hominem attacks and minding everyone else’s business.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:41 pmwhen the guy who’s running the lynch mob says you’re way out ahead the pack, Michelle, you gotta check your back.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:41 pmnot that they use a computer but how…..since all the keys are letters that must be hard to read
June 13th, 2006 at 3:42 pmplainavy
This is why Gitmo is so unnacceptable, either you treat them as POWs in which case they are afforded rights as POWs (you are NOT free to torture prisoners of war, that is a warcrime) OR you treat them as suspected criminals, in which case they have the right to due process. It is one or the other, there is no middle ground there. Someone either is, or isn’t an enemy combatant.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:42 pmYes, and if these were US prisoner’s, wouldn’t we be screaming for due process, and release if found not guilty. But wait, these people don’t matter, even if they are innocent, after all they are brown skinned, poor folk, without representation. But what does Malkin know about brown skinned people? She has fooled herself into thinking she is white – she sure acts like that. She is a disgrace to the Asian community.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:47 pmhow can we comment on who is at gitmo…we don’t know..some may in fact be guilty of nothing..but they are now among the “disappeared” we used to talk about in central and s. america. what has this country become. This is not the America in which I grew up. We will look back upon this time as the darkest of days.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:49 pmwon’t someone please give George Bush oral sex so we can impeach him?
But didnt we send all Gitmo prisoners that were not Afgan back to their countries…
June 13th, 2006 at 3:50 pmposted by Chris
June 13th, 2006 at 3:52 pmhermaphrodite†and such?? I thought hermaphrodites and queers and other sexual degenerates were like heroes to you leftards??
I’m not falling for your fake ignorance. You know as well as I that a hermaphrodite is not a sexual degenerate. It’s diagnosable. A hermaphrodite is born with male and female genitalia. Sounds like degenerates are on your mind.
Hey look everybody, it’s little Michelle rotten crotch.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:54 pmwho put the Groovie Ghoulies in charge?
seriously, MM and AC and BOC and on and on…
they tell us who’s out of line and who isn’t while saying crap like THIS.
Boo Freaking Ho.
June 13th, 2006 at 3:56 pmyeah, that’s what America is all about. Ridicule. face it, it’s all they know, it’s EVERY card in their imaginary flush. who can they ridicule?
Enough!
This is why other countries hate us..its because we flip them the bird all the time…arrogance we have
June 13th, 2006 at 4:00 pmthe o’reilly philosophy
June 13th, 2006 at 4:00 pmlynch mobs made america great; japanese american detention centers made america uber alles; racist humor reflects glory on the fatherland; a constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriages is going to make our childrens’ children proud of this generation.
The point of having a trial is that everyone then knows who this person is and what they are alleged to have done. At this point no one knows who these detainee’s are, or what their crimes are. Are you all so afraid of finding out? Do you trust the Government to determine who is guilty and who is innnocent? When you start disappearing people its hard to stop. What you
June 13th, 2006 at 4:02 pmBush Diehards dont understand is that there is then nothing stopping the Government from coming for you.
Unbelievable,
Do you see where I was going with the plant abuse question? I apologize in advance, but I just love to mess with vegans, and vegitarians. How do you know your vegetables weren’t abused? I also look at it from a cellular level, plant cells, animal cells, they are all eukaryotes.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:07 pmUnbelievable don’t be so closed minded and judgmental. You can no more “prove” god does not exist as the believer can “prove” he/she/it does.
I am surprised you promote the Constitution because it presupposes a god and claims that we derive our rights and liberties from this God, not from Government.
So unbelievable if religion is the problem and you promote atheism tell me. Does the individuals human posses intrinsic rights? If so where do they come from? What are they? Who says?
June 13th, 2006 at 4:07 pm#183 In your tireless war on religion, you will even stoop in an attempt to reinvent the human species.
It’s my effort to show people how much better life is without the irrational definitions imposed by the self-imposed authorities of organized religion. I don’t have to make things up like your side. It’s why Atheism has no book or collection plate…
Where’s the proof of this so-called better life?
Men and women are indeed equal, yet we are different.
How long did it take you to figure that one out?
I’ve known this most of my life. I only said it because of your past and present comments equating religion with inequality.
We’re different physically, emotionally, and psychologically. In face, recent studies have proven that there’s even a difference between male an female brains. The way we process information is different.
To a degree, our brians are slightly different. But a degree of that is a result of cultural indoctrination during our formative years when girls are given dolls to play with and coddled, while boys are expected to be chin up if their Red Rider shoots an eye out.
In general, men have approximately 6.5 times the amount of gray matter related to general intelligence than women, and women have nearly 10 times the amount of white matter related to intelligence than men. Gray matter represents information processing centers in the brain, and white matter represents the networking of – or connections between – these processing centers. Simply put—there’s an existing physical difference that has nothng to do with the formative years.
Hence we have a generation of girls living in confusion—overwhelmed by the pressure of living up to ever changing expectations of who they’re supposed to be.
Did you just time warp out of the Middle Ages? Girls are NOT confused. Ask any high school girl what she wanst in life and she can tell you. It’s traditionalist like you who try to tell her she is confused… Stop and she’ll be fine.
How can someone who works with kids be so out of touch? There have been numerous articles written on this subject. Todays girls are more likely to get in trouble than the boys. They are more likely to be truant, they start drinking at younger ages than the boys, and they become sexually active earlier than the boys—to give a few examples. In addition, they are bombarded by media images, depicting woman to be smarter than men, hard-nosed and more determined than men, and even physically stronger than men. Women are depicted as being able to do and be everything, and this in fact has affected girls in our society. They’re confused and angry. To claim otherwise is just pure denial. One author went so far as to say we have a whole generation of girls gone wild.
I did do my research. I explained it already. Societies are better off when women aren’t stoned for being witches… Or told that they must give birth to a baby they don’t want… or call them whores for enjoying sex… or telll them that they came from some guy’s rib – whenthe reality is that the Y chromosome evolved from an X – to increase the ability for stronger species…
Going for the extremes and passing them off as the norm is only a caricature of the truth—a strawman—a sign of a failed argument. I’m also not impressed with your research. It seems more probable that you’re seeking and embracing humanist doctrine in an attempt to run from a God you refuse to acknowledge.
It used to be conventional wisdom that America was only as strong as its families.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:07 pmFirst off…The Constitution does not apply to everyone in the world as has been demonstarted many, many times…Native Americans have lost life, liberty and property to the U.S. government without due process of law. Said acts have not been reversed or overturned, but some native American tribes are considered sovereign…
Secondly, while it’s nice to believe that our legal system would effectively handle the situation with the prisoners i Guantanemo, it clearly won’t. One of the main reasons that Bill Clinton did not ‘accept’ OBL when he was offered to the U.S. by the Taliban was that we did not have enough evidence to do anything with him/detain him…He was therefore able to plan an operation that murdered thousands of American citizens.
The vast, vast majority of prisoners in Guantanamo have taken up arms against U.S. forces, but are not loyal to any government. They are inessence loyal to a global terror network bent on the destruction of freedom and implementation of a global Muslim Fundamentalist Theocracy. They chose the wrong side in the War on Terror and now they are paying the price. I have no more sympathy or love for them than I would have for Hitler’s SS, the guards at multiple concentration camps or probably a more appropriate analogy, the pilots of Japanese Kamikaze aircraft…
June 13th, 2006 at 4:08 pmAnd BTW.. Michelle Malkin is the kind of person who blasts the law that makes the child of a foreign national born on US soil a citizen when she is one. An Anchor Baby. While the Bush you worship is for Amnesty for Illegals, for trippleing legal immigration and for immporting more cheap labor. See Senate Bill 2611
June 13th, 2006 at 4:10 pmhttp://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=14820
Hasn’t the “administration” released many detainees at Guantanamo, with no charges? So either they were wrongfully detained for several years (a crime) or the Bush administration is aiding and abetting the enemy (a crime). Which is it, trolls? And secondly, how would you feel if your sons and daughters were serving in this war and had to pay the price personally for the mistreatment by our chicken hawk administration who have never fought a single battle.
And another thing, on a different issue…
June 13th, 2006 at 4:12 pmif you haven’t seen it, watch the http://www.loosechange911.com documentary. It sheds some light on what kind of people we are dealing with in the whitehouse.
Troll- Who’s God is right..seeing that yours derived from a cult 300 years after the death does not hold much water to religions who have been around for 1,000’s of years
June 13th, 2006 at 4:14 pmCome on Troll, I gave you a nice unbiased link to the text of the US constitution, show me where “it presupposes a godâ€
June 13th, 2006 at 4:16 pmTroll posts… [yawn]
June 13th, 2006 at 4:18 pmSo either they were wrongfully detained for several years (a crime) or the Bush administration is aiding and abetting the enemy (a crime). Which is it, trolls?
Comment by think liberally — June 13, 2006 @ 4:12 pm
Its neither. Containing them was no longer expedient.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:19 pmI gave up trying to watch faux news years ago. It’s like WWE Smackdown meets the Enquirer or even better The Weekly World News. It’s exciting but in the end has no truth or substance. Oh, and Chris, not everyone here is on the left. I’m a Libertarian and we cant stand monkey boy either. Why don’t you hook up with the Phelps family. It seems that you would fit right in.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:20 pmThe morally crippled trolls are busy here today. For once I would like to see one of them actually construct a thoughtful, fact-based argument instead of the usual ad hominem attacks linking liberals to terrorists.
Personally, I won’t lose any sleep over the suicides of these three detainees. They are better off dead than alive in stinking “Gitmo.” The trolls say “These detainees are all intent on killing Americans.” I say that we won’t really know since most of these detainees will never get any due process- they will be stuck in Gitmo until they die.
Some of these trolls say “Well, the detainees aren’t American citizens so they aren’t entitle to due process.” I say that since we are trying to export “freedom and democracy,” shouldn’t we also try to export some of the fundamental principles of our system such as due process?
Some of the trolls say “Do you expect that other countries would treat our soldiers any better?” I say that it doesn’t matter, since we in the U.S.A. claim to be morally superior to the terrorists, we should hold our behavior to higher standards. That means don’t engage in needless killing and don’t cause excessive harm. Perhaps the party of the “culture of life” would like to explain how torture, abuse, aggression, and treating others like crap fits into the GOP values.
Trolls- get a friggin’ clue. Bush doesn’t know what he’s doing and neither do you.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:20 pmSo unbelievable if religion is the problem and you promote atheism tell me. Does the individuals human posses intrinsic rights? If so where do they come from? What are they? Who says?
As long as we all agree that we all have these rights, who cares? If saying our rights come from God will get the religious nuts on board the freedom train, I’m willing to make that concession.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:20 pmJim
All I want, is for him to show me where the US constitution presupposes a God. Surely, if he is willing to make such a claim, he should be willing to back it up?
June 13th, 2006 at 4:22 pmIts neither. Containing them was no longer expedient.
Comment by troll — June 13, 2006 @ 4:19 pm
Oh, so are you saying the war is over? Or that they are innocent?, or that 3 years in Guantanamo “cured” their desire to hurt Americans?
I see why you resort to name calling and tough talk, you have no, none, zero, ground to stand on.
Thanks for proving my point.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:25 pmPlease pardon me she was promoting the Declaration though she claimed it was the constitution. Damn leftards.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:25 pmTrolls- get a friggin’ clue. Bush doesn’t know what he’s doing and neither do you.
Comment by Redleg — June 13, 2006 @ 4:20 pm
Apparently you don’t have clue either. You’re due process theory is idiotic at best.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:25 pm#224 As long as we all agree that we all have these rights, who cares? If saying our rights come from God will get the religious nuts on board the freedom train, I’m willing to make that concession.
Comment by redneck hick — June 13, 2006 @ 4:20
Spoken like a true Democrat—say what ever you have to in order to get the votes.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:29 pmAntagonist,
June 13th, 2006 at 4:33 pmHow is “due process” only my theory? It is a cornerstone of our legal system here in the USA. Perhaps you should read about it. You know, the legal documents and statutes that deal with jury trials, habeas corpus, search and seizure, trial by jury of peers, right to appeals, right to legal counsel, etc. Open your corroded f-ing mind and read about the things that make this nation great.
Just to point you to where it says that Gitmo is actually a criminal offense under American law.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:33 pmBruce,
June 13th, 2006 at 4:35 pmThese trolls don’t actually believe in what the Constitution says about that.
Do you see where I was going with the plant abuse question?
I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Should I not? :)
I apologize in advance, but I just love to mess with vegans, and vegitarians. How do you know your vegetables weren’t abused?
The ones I grow – well, I sorta have to take my own word for it. But I don’t think most people get off on assaulting a head of lettuce… :)
I also look at it from a cellular level, plant cells, animal cells, they are all eukaryotes.
Comment by For Truth — June 13, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
Life is life :)
June 13th, 2006 at 4:36 pmJust more bravado by the arm-chair patriots. Up there with the “Dead or Alive” and “smoke em out ” lines. These statements are what passes for analysis in today’s right-wing media. To take any issue seriously is to invite scorn from the Rightists. Keep the American people ignorant, angry and entertained.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:38 pmI bet all you right-wing dumb-f#*ks weighing in on this topic with all your kill-em all, toughguy bullshit are followers of Jesus Christ, right? He was known for his hostility to his fellow man. You repukes are the lowest of the low.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:38 pmAmendment XIV
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Which is to say Troll, your statement about what Unbelievable was talking about, has just been shot to hell.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:38 pmUnbelievable don’t be so closed minded and judgmental.
Excuse me… I must laugh first…
You can no more “prove†god does not exist as the believer can “prove†he/she/it does.
It’s not the position of the non-believer to prove anything. Would be like me tell you to prove there aren’t flying invisible unicorns that talk to my five-year old niece because she insists they are very real.
I am surprised you promote the Constitution because it presupposes a god and claims that we derive our rights and liberties from this God, not from Government.
It does not say ‘God’… Go read it. It says ‘creator’. My creators were my parents. They, as Americans, gave me that right.
So unbelievable if religion is the problem and you promote atheism tell me.
Slow down Absolutist Junior… I am anti-organized-religion. I couldn’t careless if you personally have a god-belief and develop your own ideology from that. It’s about personal responsibility, and not group hallucinations that allow you to claim ‘The Devil made me do it’ to get off the hook…
Does the individuals human posses intrinsic rights? I
No.
f so where do they come from? What are they? Who says?
Comment by troll — June 13, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
Humanity defines them. Humanity says. That’s who. How many deers or dogs or parrots to you see in church on Sunday?
June 13th, 2006 at 4:42 pmBruce…
You might want to add the Fifth amendment…
Pretty specific wording there… Yes, I’ve ignored some sub clauses, but the meaning is still there and clear.
Z.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:43 pmActually, I found it disgusting and posted as much (#112).
Guess you were too busy trying to defend your baseless acusations to notice …
June 13th, 2006 at 4:44 pmAnd who said the person who posted that racist diatribe was a liberal?
More likely another one of those damn trolls.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:49 pmAntagonist,
How is “due process†only my theory? It is a cornerstone of our legal system here in the USA. Perhaps you should read about it. You know, the legal documents and statutes that deal with jury trials, habeas corpus, search and seizure, trial by jury of peers, right to appeals, right to legal counsel, etc. Open your corroded f-ing mind and read about the things that make this nation great.
Comment by Redleg — June 13, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
Indeed it is a cornerstone of OURlegal system here in the USA, but you’re talking about extending one of the benefits of our society to foreign detainees who have no love for the United States. Due process is meaningless to them, they don’t deserve the same rights that our citizens do. They do not live under, nor recognize or acknowledge our laws.To offer them due process is to offer them a disjointed value from a society they hate.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:49 pmI look forward to seeing the Republicans and Democrats in the U.S. Govenrment being brought to justice for the wargames on 911 and the territorial pissings in Iraq. I’m not a Democrat or a Republican, I’m an Ameriacn! What the hell happened to the rest of you? You all need to go read some Kafka, the metamorphsis perhaps!
USSA! USSA! USSA!
June 13th, 2006 at 4:52 pmZwack
This is fun, maybe I should have become a lawyer or something.
I think the banana qualified as both cruel, and unusual, ditto a lot of the “milder” stuff being used in Gitmo. Forced feeding anyone?
June 13th, 2006 at 4:52 pmActually, in the original text (the one in the archives), the term ‘Creator’ is used. The ‘c’ is capitalized indicating use of a proper noun. The use of the term is indicative of a belief in a Supreme Being…This is typical of the transcendentalist literary movement of which the founding fathers of this country would have been students/followers.
The founders clearly intended to indicate that rights were bestowed on all men by a Supreme Being, not their parents…
Of course, the document that makes use of the term ‘Creator’ is not the Constitution, but rather the Declaration of Independence which simply gave reasons for revolt against the ruling sovereign of the time….
Anyone else feel like dressing up like Native Americans and throwing some tea in the harbor? I wonder what environmental impact that would have…
June 13th, 2006 at 4:54 pmCaption contest:
Michelle Malkin, doing her cow impersonation. Moo!
June 13th, 2006 at 4:55 pmWonder why they hate our society so much, could it be something we did to them???
June 13th, 2006 at 4:56 pmWonder why they hate our society so much, could it be something we did to them???
June 13th, 2006 at 4:56 pm#237 Humanity defines them. Humanity says. That’s who. How many deers or dogs or parrots to you see in church on Sunday?
Comment by unbelievable — June 13, 2006 @ 4:42 pm
Quite the compelling argument there unbelievable. How many deer or dogs or parrots do you see attending science classes?
June 13th, 2006 at 4:56 pmThis is fun, maybe I should have become a lawyer or something.
Lol! Yeah this is exactly what the Democratic party needs right now… another half-bright Trial Lawyer.
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June 13th, 2006 at 4:58 pmWhere’s the proof of this so-called better life?
Living it. But for starters – there are about 15% of the country without religion, yet less than 1% of the people in prision are non-religious. I’d call that a huge correlation.
I’ve known this most of my life. I only said it because of your past and present comments equating religion with inequality.
What part of the ‘women are inferior’ verses of teh Bible are you not comprehending? The book starts off with God making man a ‘helper’ out of his rib… Not a good sign of what follows.
One of my favorites is the commandment that says “Though shall not covert they neighbors ass, ox or wife” (paraphrased because I shouldn’t have to go look it up for the pious). Again not equal. There’s more, but really, I’ve made my point..
Simply put—there’s an existing physical difference that has nothng to do with the formative years.
Physically a human male cannot run 100 meters in under 10 seconds. The current world record is 8-something. Quality over quantity…
How can someone who works with kids be so out of touch?
Exactly – I’m not. I actually speak to them. Amazing how much more accurate information you get that way. Even if assuming is easier.
There have been numerous articles written on this subject. Todays girls are more likely to get in trouble than the boys. They are more likely to be truant, they start drinking at younger ages than the boys, and they become sexually active earlier than the boys—to give a few examples.
That conflicts with teh fact that more girls go to and graduate from college than boys. SO, your studies are based on an assumed morality and not on asking the girls any real questions about their happiness. Boy that double standard sure is convenient.
In addition, they are bombarded by media images, depicting woman to be smarter than men, hard-nosed and more determined than men, and even physically stronger than men. Women are depicted as being able to do and be everything, and this in fact has affected girls in our society.
They do the exact same thing to boys. It’s all about selling products…
They’re confused and angry. To claim otherwise is just pure denial. One author went so far as to say we have a whole generation of girls gone wild.
Your imposed morality again… How many girls do these studies speak with? I’d love to se your link. It sounds like religious-based excuses to oppress women at an even younger age by suggesting that hey have gone wild…
IGoing for the extremes and passing them off as the norm is only a caricature of the truth—a strawman—a sign of a failed argument.
Then why do you keep doing it?
I’m also not impressed with your research. It seems more probable that you’re seeking and embracing humanist doctrine in an attempt to run from a God you refuse to acknowledge.
Ditto with your research. I only go on independent studies. Not with those that have a bias for manipulating people.
Nonsense. There is no god – just your need to be egocentric, judgmental and live forever.
It used to be conventional wisdom that America was only as strong as its families.
Comment by Antagonist — June 13, 2006 @ 4:07 pm
You mean YOUR definition of families… We’re social beings. The fact that there are 6.4 billion of us is proof of that. A family is defined by the way it defines itself. Again – FREEDOM to define itself.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:59 pmI concede I mispoke.
Still the founding fathers had as a starting point the declaration which presupposed God. They most certainly had a philisophical bases through which they understood that our dignity and hence our rights were derived from the CREATOR. They then spelle out these rights in the constitution.
So again I ask does the individuals human posses intrinsic rights? If so where do they come from? What are they? Who says?
You assume too much moron, and are ignorant to boot. The da vinchi code said so right? Idiot leftard.
June 13th, 2006 at 4:59 pmAntagonist
The rights we are listing do not limit themselves to Americans. Indeed, they use words like “any” and “all” while those that are limited to citizens actually say they are. If you want to, go read them yourself, I provided a link earlier.
Note
We can quite plainly assume that the People means Citizens of the USA, but…
Doesn’t exactly seem to indicate that foreigners are excluded from this right now does it?
June 13th, 2006 at 5:00 pmWho’s God is right..seeing that yours derived from a cult 300 years after the death does not hold much water to religions who have been around for 1,000’s of years
Comment by Jason — June 13, 2006 @ 4:14 pm
Jason – you’re on a serious roll! Please keep it up :) And post more often :)
June 13th, 2006 at 5:02 pmAnyone notice the position of her lips in that photo?
I’m just saying…..
June 13th, 2006 at 5:02 pmAntagonist….
I have never seen a deer, dog or parrot in church on Sunday.
I have however seen both dogs and PArrots while attending science classes.
When younger we even had a school camp where we spent a week in the Highlands of Scotland and learned about ecosystems, wildlife and the like… If you are willing to count that as a science class then we definitely saw deer during that too.
So, I have seen dogs, and parrots, and maybe even deer, attending science classes. Does that cheer you up?
Z.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:02 pmComment by troll
I am sure you made a big scandal out of Rodney King´s beat up.
Comment by Antagonist
You must be speaking of US regarding UN laws, I guess.
Comment by Antagonist
June 13th, 2006 at 5:05 pmOh, you have to lock up the 95.5% of the rest of the world, then. You have to define love, also. As in John Wayne´s love or Chomsky´s love? You have to define who has or has not…see? You are just plain stupid.
Please pardon me she was promoting the Declaration though she claimed it was the constitution. Damn leftards.
Comment by troll — June 13, 2006 @ 4:25 pm
No I was not…
Besides, they both claim ‘life, liberty and the pursuit of” (Declaration says happiness while teh Consitition says ‘property’)
You really should read both…
June 13th, 2006 at 5:06 pm#253
June 13th, 2006 at 5:07 pmYou’re really reaching here aren’t ya Bruce. The “No Person” is in the context of America’s citizens. To wrench it from it’s original context is dihonest, but necessary to make your point.
Malkin must be sent to GITMO for the rest of Bush’s presidency, so to January 2009, and if she snuffs herself it would be no loss > lol.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:07 pm#244. Anon Ymous — June 13, 2006 @ 4:54 pm
Let me deflate your theory. In my copy of the Declaration of Independence, many words are capitalized. It is very hard to imagine how your “proper noun” theory operates in the following: “But when a long Train of Abuses and Usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object, evinces a Design …” Help me out with this.
I never noticed this before, but, I’m just scanning the document, and I can’t say for sure, but it looks like EVERY NOUN is capitalized (not the pronouns). It looks like German in that respect; every noun is capitalized. Every noun is capitalized, no belief in a supreme being indicated.
For what it’s worth, the D of I carries no weight of law. It was written long (more than 10 years) before there was a United States of America.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:08 pmNonsense. There is no god – just your need to be egocentric, judgmental and live forever.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:09 pmComment by unbelievable
Now I think I have a crush on you. :)
Frankly, It is my wish that I could be rid of all of you. All government, all opposition, all control over me. I alone should be able to decided the course of my life as should all others be allowed the same liberty. It is sad that is physically impossible because of our human nature. You all suck, now shut up and leave me alone…. Thank you.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:09 pmAntagonist…
You said…
Yup, you’ve got it… We think that the US should treat everyone the same… It doesn’t matter if they are “foreign” or not. In fact the Constitution does not make that distinction. It specifically uses the term “No Person”, not “No Citizen”. Given that it uses both terms in different places then it makes sense that they are meant to mean different things.
A measure of true greatness is the ability to treat even your enemies the same way. The Constitution does not say that it only applies to citizens (actually, it does, but only in some small places, where it draws a distinction between people and citizens. Look at my earlier post for a good example.) The constitution applies to the United States dealings with all people. If the Constitution didn’t apply to non citizens then I could refuse to pay taxes on the grounds that the Constitution (which gives the government the right to tax people) doesn’t apply to non-citizens.
Don’t you find it scary that non-natives frequently know more basic civics than natives do? It might be because we choose to live here, so we care more about what the society we are living in is like.
Z,
June 13th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#257
Oh, you have to lock up the 95.5% of the rest of the world, then. You have to define love, also. As in John Wayne´s love or Chomsky´s love? You have to define who has or has not…see? You are just plain stupid.
Comment by Juan C — June 13, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
No one said the detainees were locked up for not loving the United States. The discussion was about extending our due process of law to them. Please try to pay attention.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:14 pmThese people are being held incommunicado in Gitmo becasue if they were released it would no longer be possible to maintain the fantasy that there is a dangerous global network called Al-Queada, which attacked the United States. To call them terrorists is to announce that you can’t tell the difference between a building that explodes and one that collapses.
They are being held as part of the cover up of the crime of the century, when Cheney, Rumsfeld, Bush and their cronies murdered more than twenty-five hundred Americans.
Demand a proper investigation of 911. Put those responsible on trial.
“The FBI has no hard evidence linking Usama Bin Laden with 911″ – Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity, FBI
June 13th, 2006 at 5:15 pmThe use of the term is indicative of a belief in a Supreme Being…
No it was not. It was creator to allow a person to decide if that was a being or evolution or something else. Subject to personal interpretation was intentional.
This is typical of the transcendentalist literary movement of which the founding fathers of this country would have been students/followers.
Literary being the operative word. Just liek I still say “Oh my god!” and “Dear god!” as literary terms…
The founders clearly intended to indicate that rights were bestowed on all men by a Supreme Being, not their parents…
Nonsense. You should read other things by the Founding Fathers. They left the choice up to the individual – hence the First Amendment.
Of course, the document that makes use of the term ‘Creator’ is not the Constitution, but rather the Declaration of Independence which simply gave reasons for revolt against the ruling sovereign of the time….
Which further implies that they stopped using the word to make a very clear point… a point about liberty. First Amendment.
Anyone else feel like dressing up like Native Americans and throwing some tea in the harbor? I wonder what environmental impact that would have…
Comment by Anon Ymous — June 13, 2006 @ 4:54 pm
Probably no where near the damage done by oil that’s been (and being) dumped into the world’s oceans…
June 13th, 2006 at 5:16 pmQuite the compelling argument there unbelievable. How many deer or dogs or parrots do you see attending science classes?
Comment by Antagonist — June 13, 2006 @ 4:56 pm
Oh, you didn’t get it? That’s okay, I’m used to explaining stuff.
Animals don’t have the problems we do. Why do you think that is?
June 13th, 2006 at 5:19 pmYou assume too much moron, and are ignorant to boot. The da vinchi code said so right? Idiot leftard.
Comment by troll — June 13, 2006 @ 4:59 pm
Actually, that was a very valid question that has nothing to do with a fictional novel.
There are hundreds of current gods, and several hundred abandoned ones. You have to define whether you’re talking about Allah, Zeus or, oh what the hell – Mighty Aphrodite…
http://www.godchecker.com/
June 13th, 2006 at 5:25 pmAntagonist…
I found the following comment elsewhere
There are lots of grey areas involved. I would argue that the differing use of the words Citizen and Person in different places in the Constitution lead to the inevitable conclusion that some rights apply to All people and some only to Citizens.
Z.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:26 pmspaces.Boo Hoo. this from a chick who gets upset when her shoe tree has no more open spaces
June 13th, 2006 at 5:27 pmThe council of Nice and the decision to make Christ a deity is historical fact. Previous there was a great many splinter Christian groups, and a debate over the humanity or divinity of Jesus. They also chose which books the bible would contain, and other decisions.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:30 pmI imagine that this is how many Romans thought jst before Rome fell.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:30 pmFor what it’s worth, the D of I carries no weight of law. It was written long (more than 10 years) before there was a United States of America.
Comment by bob — June 13, 2006 @ 5:08 pm
In fact, it was based – nearly verbatim – on an Indian tribe’s proclamation… I forgot the details, but I think Iriquois… One of you guys will remember this…
June 13th, 2006 at 5:30 pmI imagine that this is how many Romans thought just before Rome fell.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:30 pmNow I think I have a crush on you. :)
Comment by Juan C — June 13, 2006 @ 5:09 pm
: )
June 13th, 2006 at 5:31 pmNo I’m serious. Look at her lips.
Those are puckered up for some real right wing buttkissin.
With a puss on her like that she could have those surgically implanted in Coulter’s rear.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:32 pm#272. krazny — June 13, 2006 @ 5:30 pm
It was Nicaea. In Turkey.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11044a.htm
Nice is in France.
Other details accurate, though.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:34 pmAlright… I skipped two meals today, can’t skip a third…
Was fun guys. Bruce, Juan, krazny, Zwack and Jason – love battling trolls with you. I give Antagonist a lot of crap, but he’s one of our more rational trolls (did not call you rational :)
Let’s do it again…
June 13th, 2006 at 5:39 pm[...] Michelle Malkin’s reaction to suicides at Gitmo? Boo-freakin-hoo! Ann Coulter’s latest book slams widows of 9/11 victims. All this and “Christians” continue to watch Fox and claim to believe in the sanctity of life and hold the moral high ground on all issues. I think I’l follow Tony Norman’s lead and publicly state that I am not a Christian. [...]
June 13th, 2006 at 5:39 pm… they are Not US Citizens therefore they have Zero rights and if anyone thinks otherwise is flat out wrong
Funny thing, when Jefferson penned the words, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights”, there were no US citizens. Guess he was flat-out wrong …
June 13th, 2006 at 5:41 pmThanks bob, I got a little confused on the spelling.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:42 pmroger that.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:44 pmIt was the Iroquois
I couldn’t find a simple quote answer for you, but this book goes into a lot of detail…
Z.
June 13th, 2006 at 5:45 pm[...] Fox News Analyst: “The Reaction To The [Gitmo] Suicides Should Be ‘Boo-Freakin-Hoo’  En: ashamed, asides — June 13, 2006 [...]
June 13th, 2006 at 5:51 pmSo if these guys turn out to have been innocent of any crimes, like most international agencies estimate 80 percent of the “detainees” (what a stupid word for prisoners), and these poor bastards just went insane and couldn’t take it anymore from the isolation, the torture, the terror of not knowing if you’ll ever see your home again, or your family, so if this is how it turns out, should we still rejoice in their suicides?
June 13th, 2006 at 6:00 pm“This is typical of the transcendentalist literary movement of which the founding fathers of this country would have been students/followers.”
The American Revolution predated the Transcendentalist movement by 60 years. So no, the Founding Fathers were not students/followers of the movement.
June 13th, 2006 at 6:02 pmThe Founding Fathers operated during a period called The Enlightenment.
Follow this link for details.
http://www.wsu.edu:8001/~brians/hum_303/enlightenment.html
One of the reasons we in the west have so many problems with Islam is that they never had an Enlightenment.
Michelle Malkin, see you next Tuesday.
:)
June 13th, 2006 at 6:02 pm“they are Not US Citizens therefore they have Zero rights and if anyone thinks otherwise is flat out wrong.”
June 13th, 2006 at 6:09 pm-What about human rights or do they only apply to Americans as well?
I find it curious that the rightwing who so loudly proclaim their love of America
don’t give more thought to the actual perception these comments create around the world.I know,I know..you don’t care what anyone else thinks-which is the problem.
Just by looking at Michelle’s picture, I was wondering if she could suck a pea through a straw?
June 13th, 2006 at 6:18 pmCommeny by Antagonist
June 13th, 2006 at 6:29 pmThat is what you said implying that those in Gitmo are there because of their lack of love to US. I dont see the due process thing here. Besides that legalist POV is crap. We have laws that are being broken all the time, you have the gas chamber yet you have the highest rate in murderer. Law is for powerful people. And you, so well informed, should know that. Anyway…your argument about love and Gitmo is absolutely weak. You can spit the classical “we are America and we do as we please” and then I will believe truly in what you have to say therefore, but I wont bother to read you again; or you can accept that actually are in favor of breaking your -so sacred- law when it comes to people you think is your enemy. What will happen when, someday, the gov considers you the enemy, or if the new-to-come superpower China decides that US citizens are their enemy and take you to a nice torture chamber below Shangai´s market? Well, you could not complain because you were in favor all this time. Next time, do it better.
lora what you are saying is you don’t want any dissent from YOUR ideology. the names you call Coulter & Malkin I suppose are just fine because you “progressives” are doing it. the sexual impications and innuendo about them are just fine beacuse you disagree with them.
June 13th, 2006 at 6:33 pmAmerica is watching and with your outrageous slanders and hate against people like Coulter & Malkin you are virtually insuring that the democrats , of which your little “progressive” wing is a part of will forever be the minority part.
like I always say.. IT”S THE HYPOCRISY STUPID
Antagonist
According to your logic, we should not extend due process to infants and young children because young people don’t know what due process rights mean.
Think about what you’re saying before you write it down and reveal your profound ignorance.
June 13th, 2006 at 6:33 pm#293 Chris. Boo-Freaking-Hoo.
June 13th, 2006 at 6:37 pmChris, hypocrisy seems to be the the rights specialty.
June 13th, 2006 at 6:43 pmAmerica is watching Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Rush Limbaugh, and a dozen other right wing sycophants. The hate is very apperant from the right. America is noticing, and they aren’t happy.
June 13th, 2006 at 6:45 pmChris,
June 13th, 2006 at 6:56 pmI have not called Ann Coulter or Michelle Malkin any foul names–not even at the level of language you commonly use on your rants here. Nor have I used any sexual innuendos about them, though I admit some other posters have. I have already noted on another thread that there are still conservative pundits like David Brooks of the conservative “National Review,” with whom I don’t agree most of the time but with whom most of us on the left could have a civil conversation. Ann-thrax Coulter was even dismissed from the impeccably conservative “National Review” because of her poor writing style, which is more vitriol than fact.
It is people like Malkin, Coulter, Rush Limbaugh and you who don’t believe in dissent and try to foment hatred.
And this is probably the last time I will answer to you. Your messages only repeat the same vitriolic accusations, which have no basis in fact and are full of bad grammar and spelling. To repeat your statement, while adding the necessary comma and changing the quotation mark to an apostrophe: IT’S THE HYPOCRISY, STUPID
Chris, #2, ignorance is bliss, but it is no excuse.
June 13th, 2006 at 7:16 pmMichelle Malkin, an Ann Coulter Republican…
From Think Progress:MALKIN: And really, the reaction to the suicides should be, “Boo-freakin-hoo.” O’REILLY: Well, I don’t know about that. I don’t want anybody, you know, killing themselves, but I do believe it was a political statement. Anyway -…
June 13th, 2006 at 7:17 pm#11, you have a point, and I must admit that after referring to malkin/ma as “mighty hermaphrodite” that I was wrong.
It is not right to make such statements because hermaphroditism is merely a human condition, and given the likelihood that they quite put upon by this administration, it was wrong of me to play to a negative stereo-typical depiction, and I was quite wrong to do so and publicly apologize here.
It is strictly unfair to link any hermaphrodite to malkin, coulter, or mighty aphrodite.
I will stick to calling her mighty moronic, to be fair.
June 13th, 2006 at 7:20 pmI thought it was mighty moronic who was vying for soul posession of the title for the worst person on earth, but is it really jane troll?
I mean, you want to know what’s wrong with bush, just look at the mentality he enables and nourishes.
Just look at the stupid shit they say!
Then don’t respond, if you can possibly muster the strength. They are in here to do exactly what they’re doing, just exactly as malkin, matalin and coulter are on tv and in print.
They just seem all the more stupid when they spew their bile on no one.
June 13th, 2006 at 7:26 pm#251, unbelievable. Great final statement.
Freedom.
June 13th, 2006 at 7:28 pmYou guys need a big reality check. Most of the men held at GBC were taken from the battlefield. We could have finished them off then and there, but chose not to so they are lucky to be alive. These men do not care if your left wing or right wing, they want you/us dead because we are not muslim, at least the majority of westerners are not. We are in a fight for our very existance, and muslims of the sort that are in GBC could care less if you support democrats or republicans, they want you dead either way.
To many people these days chose the wrong enemys. People detest George Bush more than they do the actual enemy who wishes them dead.
June 13th, 2006 at 7:31 pmPs. to Chris-Troll,
June 13th, 2006 at 7:36 pmMy late stepfather, with whom I shared a domicile far longer than my biological father, was a Republican. I grew up with civil dissent at the dinner table; that’s not what Coulter, Malkin, Limbaugh, and you engage in.
But I also doubt that my stepfather would be a Republican today. He was a Teddy Roosevelt-style Republican who favored conservation; and as a chemist, he certainly wouldn’t like the GOP’s current anti-science position on several matters. He also thought the government should stay out of citizens’ bedrooms. And as for your hang-ups about sexual perversions, it was the Bush White House that let Jeff Gannon (aka James Guckert), a gay prostitute, working for a Texas GOP website, into press conferences, though his “credentials” as a journalist had even been rejected by the GOP-controlled Congress’s Press Club.
Let’s put Malkin in Guantanamo for three years, with no access to family or friends or the media, with no inkling of ever being set free, with no access to lawyers, maybe a little access to the Red Cross, and see how well she fares. Then, when she tries to kill herself out of extreme desperation, we’ll all in unison go “Boo-freakin-hoo.†Must be weird to have no soul, but only someone like Malkin could tell us what it’s like.
June 13th, 2006 at 8:25 pmWhat a witch, put her in the cauldron with Coulter and LET THEM BURN!!
June 13th, 2006 at 8:31 pmRight to badazzsoldier’s comment. MOST of these guys had no job and no means to feed themselves or their families-so many simply needed the crappy ‘work’ or got swept up into the fight. Check the Center for Constitutional Right site, they have been on this from the getgo trying to get innocent people out of Gitmo. All bush & gang do is play their ‘me against the world’ song over and over as his poll numbers drop even further. The WH criminal gang have a verifiable, abysmal record on Human Rights in Gitmo, Iraq, Afghanistan, including here at home-refer to the “Katrina” criminal neglect that continues to this date. As for Malkin, she is someone who enjoys carrying on like an idiot, especially on camera because it makes her feel important-another desperate media whore.
June 13th, 2006 at 8:44 pmUnbeleivable,
You grow your own vegetables, I gotta hand it to ya! Can I eat at your place?
June 13th, 2006 at 9:40 pmThis Malkin quote upset me so completely that I had to record a song.
Listen here.
(I apologize for my whiteness)
June 13th, 2006 at 10:04 pm[...] Today’s VENT was a replay of her O’Reilly appearance from last night. Don’t let her sporty new hairstyle fool you, Michelle is currenly on suicide watch after being caught *dousing* her entire body with old school aerosol products. [...]
June 13th, 2006 at 10:15 pmI finally watched the video, oh my god!, gag me with a spoon you valley girl you!
June 13th, 2006 at 10:59 pmShe defines the word Hate! How can you say something like that when a person dies? Even Jesus didn’t say that about people who killed him. And the worse thing about it all is that, people like her use the morality of jesus to justify what they do. How can you justify evil in the name of good?
June 13th, 2006 at 11:02 pmShame on her!
Boo Hoo freekin you I bet
Fox Reporter Ms .Malkin said ‘’BOO HOO’’ in regards to the 3 Suicides at ”Getmo” Bay Prison. Sarcasm and Ignorance is a dangerous combination, when its related to the ”Prison”.
When I was in Prison, I saw 2 suicides, one hanging in Rikers Island Nyc, one Throat slashing. Federal Prison. It took the individual who slashed her throat , two times to finally succeed. They put her right back in the same Solitary confinement cell, after stitching her up after the first attempt. I knew then, as I withdrew in my solitary cell, It was going to happen again.
I was there because I was Protesting the fact that a handful of whites were in a Lab tech. Program, the Hispanics were sewing pajamas for mental patients , and the blacks were in the Kitchen. It took me 18 months until the B.O.P Prisons said ”She’s not Violent” cant keep her. Give her the damn class, or she’ll ‘’sue”.
At 18 it made a difference. A 15 yr. old Drop out. I needed that class, when I got out on a 6 yr. sentence. I went on to BARD College, Nursing school, and Albert Einstein Medical college. Some fights are worth fighting, maybe dying for.
The responses were the same by the ”Prison” as Bush and his fake concern. After the suicides at the Prison, Until yet more deaths, and increases in violence in General Population in the Prison. Then Finally they closed the solitary confinement section.
Anyone that makes the comments that Malkin made has never been up close to it, been depressed by it, or sacrificed anything. Or lived with people that felt that a sacrifice had to be in order for change. Yes its extreme, but Its a statement that says. Something has, and Must change. Put Malkin in Prison just one week, take away her freedom, her loved ones, put her in a dorm with killers, and Animals from all over the USA. Have her have to watch her back 24/7 ,carry a concealed weapon daily, and I asure you, she wont be making any more remarks for her 15min, of Fame. If she gets out alive.
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Posted by Carolyn Baxter authors den.com/ccbaxter 6/13/2006 09:10:00 PM
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June 13th, 2006 at 11:35 pm[...] Posted on Tuesday 13 June 2006 One wonders if the Priestesses coordinate their efforts, or are in competition for who can muster the most shock value. I personally think Malkin’s callousness about the Guantanamo Suicides and her support of Internment trumps Coulter’s attack on the 911 Widows and Liberal Bashing. On the other hand, Coulter’s hostile delivery and hate filled eyes are more inflammatory than Malkin’s sneers and sarcasm. Right now, it’s just too close to call…. [...]
June 13th, 2006 at 11:48 pmLora, You go girl. Great posts. However, it is a waste of time. These people are sick and they love it.
June 14th, 2006 at 12:42 amGotta say that when someone’s remarks give BILL O’REILLY pause…that person has gone so far over the top that they should probably be given an oxygen mask. I hear that the air does get rather thin in the ionosphere…
June 14th, 2006 at 2:28 am#316. Joe, thanks for the compliment.
June 14th, 2006 at 3:35 amI know intellectually that it is a waste of time to respond to the most vicious of trolls, but sometimes I can’t resist. I must also admit I was doing that the last few days partly to procrastinate with some tax-related documents that had to be prepared by June 15. Well, I’ve finally completed and posted the documents, so tomorrow I may very well have new priorities.
IF the prisoners are guilty of a crime – charge them and let them be tried in court before the world. If there is no evidence, let them go. It’s really that simple. This is a fundamental principle of our country.
Just like in Abu Ghraib, we detained over 5,000 people for over two years, and then just decided to (wait for it…) let them go. NO charges, NO court dates, NO apologies, nothing. We said they were dangerous terrorists for two years and then one day we said no they were not. This is not what a free country does, this what Soviet Russia or Communist China does. It’s a disgrace.
June 14th, 2006 at 4:02 am#319, not only no apologies, but they can’t even sue the government for illegally detaining them.
Just imagine if you were disappeared for 4 to 5 years, and let go. If that wasn’t bad enough, there is not a freeking thing you can do about it. That is life under dumbya’s rule. The rules apply to all but him and his ilk. It would seem that if Clinton was teflon coated that this little flying monkey is not only teflon coated but kryptonite covered.
As far as the not so mighty malkin….this is the evil vile whore that was removed from that puss filled Man Coulter.. Just parasite removed from another parasite. Pure evil, hatred, intolerance and greed the same that has corrupted this entire elected and selected group of evil people and blind ones that are paid by our dollars to represent us.
So tell me, do you feel safer now that this illegal, immoral war has begun? Do you feel safer while talking to your broker, knowing that you are being illegally spied on? Do you feel safer knowing that any minute for some real or imagined reason that your front door could be knocked down and you could be disappeared? Do you feel safer while at work knowing that your home can be raided and searched for real or imagined reasons and there is not a fu***kin thing you can do about it? Do you feel safer knowing that your financial and medical records can be looked at for some real or imagined reason?
Do you feel safer knowing that those American soldiers that are supposed to protect you get their jollies playing soccer with decapitated Iraqi heads?
And finally do you feel safer knowing that Halliburton has a $385 million dollar contract to build concentration camps here in the United States to house a supposed mass immigration “problem”? Do you feel safer knowing that Iraq had no Al Queida before dumbya invaded, and now they have massive Al Queida fighters? Do you feel safer only concentrating on gays marrying and illegal immigrants while your whole system and feeling of well being are being systematically dismantled by this misadministration?
If so, feel free to vote RETHUGlican.
June 14th, 2006 at 4:46 amRev. Martin Luther King:
An injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.
June 14th, 2006 at 4:50 amAntagonist
Seen as you are not a South African, and therefore not protected by the South African bill of Rights, why can’t I just kill you and take your stuff? I mean, this is basically the logic you are using, after all if America doesn’t recognise foreign personhood (something it has extended unto corporations, but not all humans according to your logic) then why should South Africa?
June 14th, 2006 at 8:07 amI was so anxious when I heard Malkin’s comments, I wrote a poem:
If only Castro could rule
June 14th, 2006 at 8:54 amGuantanamo would be a jewel
As soon as Cuba can find a match
To light their lanterns and attack
Chris says:
“My question to all of those who think that is do you really think if a US Soldier were taken prisoner in a radical middle eastern country would they be treated the same way we have treated these individuals at Gitmo?..The answer is no they would be tortured and some probably killed but no one who champions for human rights would care about that, instead your all worried about torturing some foreigner about information on terrorist activity.”
And my question for Chris is “What the hell is a US Soldier doing in a radical middle eastern country in the first place?” Like all of the brain dead bullshit spewed out justifying the illegal imprisonments as “wartime” measures, Chris’s argument has less to do with fact than it does with a sense of getting even. Our country is headed to becoming a police state, and this kind of extralegal atrocity is a major step in that direction.
Nemo
June 14th, 2006 at 10:38 amOh dear! Chris, who made this statement in post 3, obviously has no belief in the values on which his country was founded. It must be nauseating for the rest of the world to have to listen to this kind of spoilt, frightened, self-centered ignorance.
Well Chris, not really and certainly not now that we’ve set the standard for how to behave. Expect now that Americans will be tortured at every opportunity.
Really? No one? Not even Fox News? It may interest you to take a look at the websites of groups like Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch. Many of their current statements are directed at terrorists, regimes that sponsor terrorism and oppressive governments. Historically, they have led unending, uncompromising assaults against the regimes of Saddam Hussein, Ayatollah Khomeni and numerous others, notably even during times when the United States was providing some of these regimes with the weapons and know-how to kill their own people. They don’t care who you think you are.
Republican Senator Arlen Specter stated on Sunday regarding Guantanamo, “some prisoners are being held on the flimsiest sort of hearsayâ€. And he was putting it politely, compared to say, the British government, who now virtually demand that Guantanamo is shut down. At least Senator Specter has the courage not to ignorantly defend the indefensible.
Many/most Americans have no idea about the dubious nature regarding the circumstances of why many people ended up being tortured in Guantanamo. Many people arrived in Guantanamo because they were denounced by neighbors and personal enemies… for cash rewards.
The Tipton Three were realeased from Guantanamo Bay Prison after two years of torture… released after the British Secret Service informed the U.S. government that the three were actually still in Britain at the time they were supposed to be having meetings with Al Quaeda. The British government was obviously so worried to have them back in Britain, that it sent the police (not secret agents) around to question them for a couple of hours. The police, who had already spoken with the Secret Service, reported that they could find nothing to suggest that they were a danger to British society.
Guantanamo is a total disgrace and a PR catastrophe for the United States. The existence of Guantanamo Bay Prison is the real threat to the safety of Americans. Its’ existence is a recruiting magnet for terrorism worldwide. To allow your enemies to exploit an appearance, is stupid. To hand it to them on a plate is madness. To actually become like them is suicide.
What sets us apart as Americans is our not our INability to make mistakes, but our ability to acknowledge, investigate and set wrongs right. Without that, we are nothing. If anyone thinks they are being patriotic or defending America by pretending we are ‘goodness and light’, they are at odds with the American way. We make mistakes, we acknowledge them, we fix them, we move on. That takes courage and it’s what (should) set us apart from Sauda Arabia, Egypt, Syria any other number of other countries.
Personally, I used to get a kick out of being different from odious regimes.
Forget muslims – not even the people of Britain (where I now live) believe that the United States stands for anything at all, let alone freedom and democracy. This movie (below) is being released on June 23rd. Love it or hate it, agree or disagree, it’s the first of many that millions or billions of people around the world will see. It’s the United States looking like Nazi Germany. The legacy of this will live on for the next fifty years or longer. After Abu Ghraib and secret rendition, it doesn’t take any imagination whatsoever to be believable to white, right-wing, upper-class, wealthy Brits, let alone to billions of poor Muslims around the world.
June 14th, 2006 at 11:35 amhttp://www.roadtoguantanamomovie.com/video/redband_large.html
It’s so sad!
I see now based on the comments that this site is comprised of flaming “puckered-ass” liberals. You won’t win the House, the Senate, or the Presidency in 2008.
I couldn’t agree more with Michelle. I only wish I had the platform available to me to say the same things most are too afraid to say. Instead, I’d offer each detainee their own personalized noose to rid us of them.
June 14th, 2006 at 11:52 amnatasha you sound like an anti white racist. And an ignorant one at that. You whine about “the principles this country was founded on” and yet you have no clue as to what principles they are. This country in part was founded on the right to defend ourselves from attacks. If we did not fight we would still be british subjects. principles this country was founded on?? Gee as a liberal I bet you are for gun control, gay marriage, getting rid of religion in the public square and other liberal idiodcy. You only use the word principles when it is convienient and it suits you.
June 14th, 2006 at 12:00 pmYou folks to the right are easily the most simple-mided, racist group of people I’ve ever heard. You have ZERO compassion for anyone but yourselves. To you, EVERYONE in gitmo must be a terrorist, any Muslim must be out to kill us, anyone that thinks differently than you is less of a person. I cannot fathom how ANYONE can go through life day after day and not use that thing called a brain in your head. For within the brain lies the capactiy for intellect, compassion, and common sense, and many of you, Chris in particular, obviously don’t have the benefit of using yours. You’re like little infantile children whan you spew your thoughtless nonsense. You try to sound all righteous and important, but it’s obvious you’ve never really thought anything through and can’t see beyond your own vitriol.
June 14th, 2006 at 12:07 pmChris-
June 14th, 2006 at 12:23 pmI’m pro gun control. Lived on this earth for 44 years and never had the occasion where I NEEDED a gun…and you? I am an atheist. Again, I’ve had a pretty good life in my 44 years on earth without praying to anybody. I believe people should have the right to do so, but it shouldn’t be forced on me. Don’t you believe people should be able to make up their own mind on religion without having it legislated? As for gay marriage, I’m personally for civil unions. Suppose someone said (hypothetically) Irish men may not marry German women and that prevented your folks from marrying…you wouldn’t have a problem with this? Where does it end Chris. Try looking beyond your “knee-jerk” reaction to things you fear and look at the big picture. What is the harm in these things?
Actually the revolutionary war was largely started over a riot to do with taxes, and indeed the slogan “No taxation without representation” actually comes from the Boston Tea Party. Of course, taxing people who cannot vote (such as say, teenage part-time workers trying to save up for college) is sooo not pissing on the revolution now is it?
Anyway onto the rest of your rant
You do realise that the reason why the founding fathers were anti-gun control is they wanted the people to be able to rise up and defend their other rights against the US government if they had to right?
You know, its strange, but I have never once heard of a quote from any of the signers of the declaration stating where they stood on the issue? I know they included all sorts of things calling for the separation of Church and state, but nothing about gay marriage.
Amendment I [Religion, Speech, Press, Assembly, Petition (1791)]
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Now why is it that you guys keep on forgetting about that one? It seems to say quite clearly there that government can’t play favourites when it comes to religion, and guess what? That is precisely how liberals feel about it.
A hint: if you are going to accuse someone of idiocy, don’t misspell the word.
Pot, meet kettle.
June 14th, 2006 at 12:24 pmBruce
This :
Reminded me of my favourite line from “Dazed and Confused”
Z.
June 14th, 2006 at 12:34 pmIn response to every idiotic , tow-the-line pro-Bush (rah-rah, go team) post on here, I realize that a train of thought that goes beyond immediate neanderthal instinct is too much to expect of any of you. It’s not about my team vs. your team. It’s not about the war on terror. What this is about is the fact that many of the detainees in Gitmo are very possibly not guily of a thing and there they sit. In doing crap like this, we become more like the actual terrorists we despise. We lose our humanity and raise our “cause” to the status of justifying anything we do. If the situation were reversed and possibly innocent Americans were being detained, there would be hell to pay. What if it was your son or husband or father? If there are legitmate terrorists, flush them out and punish their asses to the max, by all means. I am not saying let them go or go easy on them. But this is not a black and white issue and requires more than a bare basic thought process, which requires mental work, which most Americans are too damned lazy to do unless American Idol or Survivor or something else of such high relevance is at stake.
As far as giving terrorists what they want by closing, Gitmo, etc.., well, if they despise our freedom as Bush and the cons claim they do, then isn’t Bushco doing more to aid the terrorists by tearing down our freedoms bit by bit? Do you numb-skulls realize that YOU now live in a country where YOU can be picked up with little or no cause, detained in secrecy and indefinitely without being charged, have no right to contact an attorney or family members or anything? YOU can be spied on in numerous ways without a warrant at the government’s whim. If you trust the government to utilize that option only for legitmate purposes, then you are naive or nuts. The founding fathers that the cons love to pull out of their asses so very much at every turn would be turning in their graves if they saw all the crap that’s going on today. The abolishment of rights and freedoms doesn’t usually happen overnight and the bad guys don’t wear black masks and devil horns. “When facism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross.” -Sinclaire Lewis You want to fight the terrorists so damned badly? Start with the ones closer to home or all is lost anyway…..
June 14th, 2006 at 12:34 pmWell I am anti gun control and a staunch supporter of the 2nd ammendment , against gay marriage and most importantly against liberals,progressives or whatever the hell you are acalling yourselves these days.
June 14th, 2006 at 12:37 pmpoint taken bruce about the spelling- my typing is not good lets see if I spell this right:
liberal,socialist,progressive, ASSHOLE.
that better?
but that’s ok you lefties will keep losing elections so you will matter even less.
I just want to know once we get rid of the terrorists at Guantanamo when can we start putting liberals there? I envision one day a liberal free America.
June 14th, 2006 at 12:39 pmWendy-
June 14th, 2006 at 12:42 pmThe tow-the-line pro-Bush guys think it will never happen to them, because they, like their beloved leader is on the path of Righteousness. As far as they’re concerned, they could care less about what happens to ANYONE that doesn’t drink the Kool-Aid and think like they do. They’re all on this sort of “Bush is God” trip…
Chris-
June 14th, 2006 at 12:46 pmWhy don’t you actually try saying something intelligent instead of trying to use labels on people. We can see what you’re trying to do because let’s face it, you really can’t compete in an intellectual discussion about this. You don’t have your own views, you simply use rhetoric. You disappoint me.
Chris
Now, now Chris, just because you just got your ass handed to you in a logical argument…
June 14th, 2006 at 12:58 pmself styled indy- thinker. you ought to read your posts and actually think about what you are writing. you are doing EXACTLY what you are accusing me of!
June 14th, 2006 at 12:59 pmthat is why America hates liberals so much- the hypocrisy and that is why we want a liberal- free america, because we want a country free of you commie bastards.
you would not know and intellectual discussion if it hit you in the head. if I dissapoint you that only means that i am right.
you are a condescnding little shit who trys to act smarter than he really is to make himself look bettter. You have a lot of growing up to do.
Chris-
June 14th, 2006 at 1:06 pmThere you go again spewing venom. What have I said that makes me a Communist? Please, enlighten me.
Chris-
June 14th, 2006 at 1:07 pmThere you go again spewing venom. Are you capable of real discourse? What have I said that makes me a Communist? Please, enlighten me.
Chris
None of which answers a single point I have raised. Game, set and match. Oh, and please remember to pick up your toys, that little tantrum must have made quite a mess.
June 14th, 2006 at 1:24 pmyou are anti- bush, anti- American, you twist the Constitution for your own benefit and youare a liberal-progressive. and the worst is that you are pro- gun control which makes you my enemy. as far as your anti- 2nd ammendment you can go to hell . like the man says ” what part of shall not be infringed” do you not understand?? followed by “from my cold dead hands” only commies favor gun control. I have nothing but venom for the leftist moonbats.
June 14th, 2006 at 1:30 pmA lot of talk about the human rights of the detainees at Gitmo and the rights accorded a “person” under the Constitution. But if we recognize a moral equivalence between a US citizen, a Mexican immigrant, and an Al-Quaida operative held in Gitmo, then what’s the value of US citizenship?
If the detainees are held as combatants under Geneva Convention, and it appears that they are (see my previous post), then they are POWs, but no easy Constitutional equation can be made between just any “person” and a POW–otherwise the US would never have been able to set up POW camps in any of its previous wars.
June 14th, 2006 at 1:37 pmChris
Actually, you forgot, I’m also a proudly athiest foreigner who has no moral objections to sex between consenting adults, science triumphing over superstition, or people expressing their views.
And yes, if it getting guns out of the hands of fanatics who have a rabid hatred for those of us with a different point of view means I am pro gun control, well then I guess I am.
June 14th, 2006 at 1:45 pmplainavy
True, however once somebody is a POW, they do retain certain rights. That’s the problem facing the US today, that those rights aren’t being enforced, further, not everyone being held is a combatant, some are just people who attended protests, said they didn’t like the US, or just had greedy neighbours who didn’t like them.
When you employ the same tactics as were used to hunt witches in the middle ages, and Jews in Germany, you are bound to get quite a number of innocents mixed in with the guilty, and frequently the guilty are the guys whose neighbours actually do like them, making the issue even harder to solve.
There needs to be some investigation done before this issue gets worse, a lot needs to be brought to light because right now, because we don’t know what the heck is going on on Gitmo. All we know is that really horrifying pictures and stories are coming out of there, and that tends to make us all feel like there is a lot worse stuff still to be released.
June 14th, 2006 at 1:56 pmWhoever said it was correct. Don’t feed the trolls. This is becoming a bad My Space conversation… which, of course, is the tasks of idiots like Jane – to simply deflect attention. They’re way too easy to take down, but aren’t going to listen and rationally debate – which would be fine – but instead get their jollies shitting on the parade. And responding persistently only engenders more space wasting. The topic is the self-hating first generation Filipino-American Michelle Malkin, long a Coulter wannabe, who gets the Rove memos and dutifully goes out to advance the agenda in the most divisivie and despicable manner. “Boo Freaking Hoo”. Apparently there ARE limits to the “pro-life” agenda, not to mention limits to the ethos of “due process”, not to mention simple compassion (we do NOT know that all these people are terrorists). So she has done us a favor by exposing the fraud of both her professed Christianity (as it relates to “the sanctity of life” as well as “human kindness”); and her skewed view of the principles of the Constitution and the Geneva Accords — Many members of the Japanese military hierarchy – after fair and speedy trials! – paid the ultimate price for war crimes as a result of horrific activities in her native Phillippines which probably affected her recent ancestors. You’d think she’d understand. But, like the trolls here who troll here – not her job to be considerate. Like O’Reilly and Limbaugh, she’s just doing a well paid act (WE CAN ONLY HOPE these people aren’t truly that evil).
June 14th, 2006 at 2:05 pmNamcats, you still are subject to a royal ruler – the new King George, supreme ruler, the decider, untouchable by law and answerable to no one. He does what he likes, to whoever he wants, wherever he wants, for as long as he wants, no trial, no justice, no due process and no constitution.
June 14th, 2006 at 2:14 pmEnough of Chris and his views. he can’t possibly be the cartoon character he sounds like, and if he is, I pity him.
June 14th, 2006 at 2:25 pmKing George took our unity after 9/11 and perverted it. He used it for his own administrations agenda of ruling the Middle East (under the guise of “democracy). I often wonder had he extended a hand to those on the left in the days following 9/11 and taken a path more toward the center (including not invading Iraq) if he might be considered one of history’s greatest Presidents. Or was it his destiny to be a screw-up?
June 14th, 2006 at 2:33 pmbobbygoode
Not answering the trolls, not fighting back, is what got one of them elected president. Chris believes what he writes, he actually thinks that all liberals should be rounded and tortured on Gitmo, and he is NOT alone. We have to be tireless or we die, it is that simple. We have band together not according to national lines, which are bullshit anyway, nor according to our individual political views which if held honestly can change, but according to our thirst for the truth and our hunger for justice.
We need to fight, not for ourselves, but for everyone. We need to recognise that hatred, is no answer, but logic is. We need to bolster each other, not in our views but in our humanity. This is not a fight for our lives, this is a fight for something which the Christians call our souls, and I can only express as being us.
June 14th, 2006 at 2:34 pmChris is the perfect example of Patriotism being the last refuge of a scoundrel…
June 14th, 2006 at 3:51 pmI really don’t see what is so glorious about killing thousands of innocent men, women, and children. Hell, even killing terrorists is not a good experience, it is merely a necessity, period. That’s one thing I really don’t get about right-wingers… If they are such wonderful Christians, how can they be so gung-ho for killing? I’m a lukewarm Christian and I can’t stand the thought of killing people, so I really don’t think these right-wingers are church goers for the purpose of worshipping god, they are really there to “expand their sphere of influence” (insurance salesman, realtors, various businessmen, etc) and for political gain. Christ would throw the lot of them out… there…
I agree with Bruce on this statement. It’s a sad thing, but there are armies of people like Chris in America today who have no understanding of democratic principles. A troll is someone who tries to disrupt something for the sake of disrupting it. Chris actually believes what he’s saying and millions of Americans share his views. They spew anger and hatred at everything.
They have limited vocabularies consisting of five caveman words, interspersed between every third word, used to describe anything they don’t understand: liberal – commie – leftie – bastard – asshole.
They also use several stock phrases to express their crippling fear of being disagreed with: anti-American – anti-Bush – haters of America – terrorist lovers.
Their frightened state becomes apparent when you realize that there isn’t a single American freedom, nor a single aspect of the American way of life they wouldn’t sacrifice to terrorists, if it only means that the one in 7,000,000 chance they have of being blown up by a terrorist bomb is lessened. Wow! Troops are sacrificing their lives and the best thing these people can do is to sacrifice our freedoms and our entire way of life. This must be why they never stop talking about “supporting the troops” but never actually sign up to help fight the war. Frightened people!
As a girl, I kind of wonder about men who invest so much energy in trying to talk tough. I mean, do genuinely tough people need to prove it? Not!
June 14th, 2006 at 4:17 pmBruce you are for gun comtrol and then (rightfully so I might add) comment on the horror of the jews in Nazi germany. One of Hitler’s ‘projects’ was to disarm the populace.
the liberal definition of patriotism is how they can change this country into their own little socialist utopia.
hypocrisy is the cornerstone of liberalism and you small minds here just keep rambling on about eveil republicans and conservatives. Since the mid 90’s democrats who have been taken over by the kook left wing fringe ( this means you boys and girls) has not won elections and will continue to lose.
but that’s OK I just went out and bought Ann Coulter’s new book so it’s a good day despite all the “progressive” whining here. it does my heart good to see all you left wingers meltdown.
oh and not all liberals should go to guantanamo, some could go to france or canada, oops excuse me Canada just elected a conservative PM , or maybe they could just get their shit together and become Americans.
June 14th, 2006 at 5:05 pmI just want to know once we get rid of the terrorists at Guantanamo when can we start putting liberals there? I envision one day a liberal free America.
Comment by Chris
TROLL ALERT
June 14th, 2006 at 5:10 pmAs I wrote earlier, Chris favors a totalitarian one-party state. Let’s ignore him/her. There is no sense arguing with a person who sees everyone who doesn’t agree with him/her as “commies” ‘even though no one here has called for the end to private property) and who accuses us of the very things he/she is doing: interpreting the Constitution in his/her own narrow way.
we are now a one party state. we just keep the liberal democrats areound for humor.
June 14th, 2006 at 5:50 pmlora be honsest you are just PMSing over the fact that YOUR party is not the majority party.
I thought that one of the so called “progressive” party’s platforms was the abolition of private property and massive wealth distribution, and abolition of gun rights, and massive taxes, open borders and interpeting the constitiution to your interpetation. apparently many more people belive what I do because my party is the majority power and will continue to be . Just look at this week:
Rove exonerated
Bush goes to Iraq
Duke cunningham’s seat retained: republican
Atlanta’ ex mayor (democrat) going to jail
Ann Coulter’s book in the #1 spot
shall i go on??
until the democrats elimiante the kook fringe, “progresive” element they will NEVER be the majority party.
I thought that one of the so called “progressive†party’s platforms was the abolition of private property. Blah, blah, blah.
comment by Chris
You thought wrong–that is, if you think at all. And Coulter’s book is already being discounted, while supposedly number 1 (A lot of the “sales” already go to her friends, who buy up the book to help it to get to “number one.” I have even been offered a free copy on one website.) Incidentally, you’ve never explained how a gay prosititute, advertising his services at $200/hour, got into the Bush White House several times even when no press conferences were being held. Talking about perversions–not to mention felony!
June 14th, 2006 at 6:38 pmAnd, goodbye. I really see no point in responding to your poorly spelled vitriol.
Hey Chris:
You realize that if you get your wish: “all Liberals should be sent to Gitmo” that the US will have completed its transformation into a FASCIST State, and become just like Communist Russia and China?
In Stalin’s Russia, anyone who disagreed with the party in control could be sent to the Gulags (Prisons) never to be heard from again. No Lawyers, no due process. This is what you want America to become? What’s next, gas ovens for the traitorous Liberals?
Funny how those furthest to the right are not distinguishable from the fascist Nazis.
Our founding fathers are no doubt rolling in their graves at what America has become.
What really gets me about these so-called “conservatives” who say these things is:
Why aren’t they bothered by Bush running our country into the ground? America has been hurt and damaged in so many ways by the Bush administration. Do they not see it, or not care?
REGIME CHANGE FOR AMERICA! IMPEACH BUSH & CHENEY!
June 14th, 2006 at 7:17 pmPs. More good news for your party, your favorite totalitarian one-party, Chris,
June 14th, 2006 at 7:50 pmBush’s approval ratings have bounced “up” to 37! Wow!
oh ho hum bruthas and sistas hasn’t anybody told you the 60’s are over yet anybody that believes the polls is not too smart. the polls can be manipulated any way you want . I’ll just bet my last dollar that if the elections were held today kerry would STILL lose to Bush.
June 14th, 2006 at 8:21 pmoh ho hum bruthas and sistas hasn’t anybody told you the 60’s are over yet anybody that believes the polls is not too smart. the polls can be manipulated any way you want . I’ll just bet my last dollar that if the elections were held today kerry would STILL lose to Bush.
Comment by Chris
TROLL ALERT
June 14th, 2006 at 9:17 pmAnd there is also substantial evidence that Diebold voting machines can be easily hacked and manipulated. But don’t bother spewing more of your garbage about this to me. I probably won’t answer it. You served as a diversion when I didn’t feel like filling out certain tax-related documents. However, now that they’re done and in the mail, I have better things to do than debate a guy who is for a totalitarian one-party state.
Chris, inre to comment #360; I doubt that Bush would be re-elected today, if a vote took place and an HONEST count were taken. However, I do believe that it would be closer than Kerry 63% Bush 37%, more like 51% to 49%, as people bitch and moan about change, but when it really comes down to it, they really don’t like change at all.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:18 pm#111 YOU SAID IT BEST. IT’S TEMPTING TO SLAP “JANE TROLL” AND “CHRIS” AROUND BUT IT’S LIKE SLAPPING THE WATER IN THE LAKE. THE WATER ALWAYS COMES BACK CUZ “IT JUST DOESN’T LEARN,” DOES IT? PLS FELLOW SENTIENT BEINGS RESIST TEMPTATION AND LET EM GO AS THEY DETRACT FROM SERIOUS DISCOURSE. POINTING OUT FACTS AND REALITIES DOESN’T WORK…THEY ARE JUST YANKING OUR COLLECTIVE CHAIN.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:53 pmThe prisoners at Gitmo were probably one ounce of trigger pressure away from being dead. Every day these killers had in this Cuban luxury resort was a gift from Allah.
June 16th, 2006 at 11:09 amSheesh.
Hate, hate, hate, hate, hate.
It’s been years since I saw a board as polarized as this one. “Liberals all suck and should die.” “Right-wingnuts have no soul and are already dead.” “He broke my dolly!” “She took my lollipop!”
Let’s give the kindergarten antics a rest, shall we?
Just to clear the air a bit, the “Christians” that you hear about most of the time are the nauseatingly vocal minority, and in this one man’s opinion are not, technically, Christians at all. Anyone can call himself a Christian. There is no entrance exam. Does it not say that you will know them by their fruits? Most of us are a good bit more laid back, and I daresay most of us take our Lord’s commands to love and do good to others seriously. My favorite OT verse is from Micah: “You have seen, O Man, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you but to do justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God?” That works for me. Humility seems conspicuous by its paucity these days, especially in the current Administration.
A couple of topics got mentioned that quite often “get my back up” as the saying goes around here. I’d like to address them, if I may.
#1 – Gun control: bad idea. As was pointed out somewhere above, the whole point of the 2nd Amendment was to safeguard the other Amendments. While I do not own a gun myself, I strongly support the rights of any law-abiding citizen to protect himself. There were well over a hundred million people murdered by their own governments in the 20th century, and, amazingly, not a single gun-ban proposal would take guns from the government and give them to the victims.
“America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.” —Abraham Lincoln
“Of all the so-called natural human rights that have ever been invented, liberty is least likely to be cheap and is never free of cost.” —Robert Heinlein
“Rightful liberty is unobstructed action according to our will within limits drawn around us by the equal rights of others. I do not add ‘within the limits of the law’ because law is often but the tyrant’s will, and always so when it violates the rights of the individual.” —Thomas Jefferson (emphasis mine)
“A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against its government.” —Edward Abbey
#2 – Gay marriage: Not a problem. The fact that the gay community so vehemently works for this goal simply means that they recognize it as the gold standard, just as do most heterosexuals. If a gay or lesbian couple wants to form a life-long relationship (and a LOT of them do) it would seem to me the sensible thing to do to make it all nice and legal. Of course, there are other instruments that can accomplish the same thing, but it’s a total hassle to have to jump through all those hoops when a simple decree of marriage will suffice.
(If there is anything that represents a threat to marriage, it is the easy availability of divorce, not gay couples wanting to formalize their love for each other. I mean, get a life, people.)
And please, let’s not hear any more about how homosexuality is some sort of “willful perversion”. Sexual orientation is largely determined by the concentration of certain hormones in the womb. One’s early upbringing may have an impact on when and how this manifests in an individual, but the vast majority of gays are gay because they were born that way. As a friend of mine so pithily put it one time, “Choice? Are you nuts? Do you honestly think anyone would choose this lifestyle?”
Thanks. I’m glad I got that off my chest.
June 16th, 2006 at 11:31 amChris isn’t the only one who thinks all the loonie liberals need to occupy gitmo. Once caged they need to be gassed…
June 16th, 2006 at 11:05 pmTo Namcats,
June 17th, 2006 at 10:27 amHeil Hitler.
she also needs the lee atwater disease
June 17th, 2006 at 11:56 amComment by Chris — June 13, 2006 @ 11:48 am:
As the patriotic american im sure you are Chris.. surely you can appreciate that if this kind of logic was followed, America would be no better than the “racial middle eastern country” in question? where is tha love!!
October 9th, 2006 at 1:34 pma pure example of islamaphobia by an individual who knows very little about this great religeon, she’ll deminise muslims every opetumity she gets she needs to wake up and smell the coffee atleast a dozen individuals held at gitmo where released without charge goes to show how arrongant this slut is
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