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[...] Nice “Boner” Boehner’s desire for a “rational debate” on Iraq is underscored by the memo he wrote to GOP members that Think Progress has obtained: 1. Exploit 9/11. The two page memo mentions 9/11 seven times. It describes debating Iraq in the context of 9/11 as “imperative.” 2. Attack opponents ad hominem. The memo describes those who opposes President Bush’s policies in Iraq as “sheepish,” “weak,” and “prone to waver endlessly.” 3. Create a false choice. The memo says the decision is between supporting President Bush’s policies and hoping terrorist threats will “fade away on their own.” [...]

By: disgrunt » 109 Reasons To Dump The 109th Congress

disgrunt » 109 Reasons To Dump The 109th Congress — Tue, 07 Nov 2006 17:56:02 +0000

[...] 46. House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) distributed a memo urging colleagues to exploit 9/11 to defend Bushâ€™s Iraq policy. [Link] [...]

By: Think Progress » 109 Reasons To Dump The 109th Congress

Think Progress » 109 Reasons To Dump The 109th Congress — Mon, 06 Nov 2006 23:23:23 +0000

[...] 46. House Majority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) distributed a memo urging colleagues to exploit 9/11 to defend Bush’s Iraq policy. [Link] [...]

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[...] You can read it here as well as that site[ThinkProgress.org]’s commentary here. The attacks we witnessed that day serve as a reminder of the dangers we face as a nation in a post-9/11 world. We can no longer expect oceans between us and our enemies to keep us safe. The plotting and planning taking place in terror camps protected by rogue regimes could no longer go unchecked or unchallenged. In a post-9/11 world, we could no longer allow despots and dictators like the Taliban and Saddam Hussein to ignore international sanctions and resolutions passed by the United Nations Security Council. [...]

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By: big queen

big queen — Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:53:30 +0000

All I Know, watching this Administration, it matters. In the end, this country will fall, put your trust in your government and watch it happen. Try to stop it? You see it happening everyday! You feel that you are to small, and the government is to big? It’s like looking into a room from the outside, wanting to do something anything that will matter. Right? Well, get inside that room and see what is really happening.

By: kim

kim — Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:28:25 +0000

â€œI donâ€™t know whether to laugh or cry. there is so much irony in someone spewing such thick, sticky venom towards liberals while condemning us for spewing â€œvenom,â€ calling us â€œidiotsâ€ while dissing us for â€œnamecalling,â€ and dismissing all of our cogent points as mindless propaganda while dispensing, piece for piece, cut-and-dried rightwing rhetoric, that itâ€™s almost more like brilliant satire than an actual stance.

donâ€™t tell me i donâ€™t know what evil is, you didactic solipsist. itâ€™s standing right in front of me, shaking its finger at me from its moral high ground, justifying the extermination of an entire group of people because it claims they want to do the same thing to us, and it isnâ€™t capable of seeing that itâ€™s NO DIFFERENT THAN THEY ARE. â€

First of all, I would suggest â€œcryingâ€ as your choice. Crying, whining, etc. seem to be liberal strengths.

Secondly, if believing and espousing truly conservative principles is â€œcut-and-dried rightwing rhetoricâ€ then so be it. I happen to disagree with many Republicans on many issues. I have a set of principles that I will not compromise for any political party.

Yes, I proudly would eliminate the jihadistas who are willing to die in an effort to destroy our freedoms. But I am different then they are. I am perfectly wiling to leave them alone to live their lives in the manner they choose as long as they donâ€™t force their way of life on me. And I would certainly feel no compulsion to rejoice in the streets should 3,000 innocent civilians be wiped off the planet.

Finally, if you think a fellow American who proudly served in the Armed Forces for 12 years as an Infantry Officer is the moral equivalent to those sadistic bastards who flew planes into buildings on 9/11 then you really need some help.

â€œI may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it.â€ – Voltaire.

I think the Muslim version goes something like â€œConvert you infidel scum or die!â€

â€œOr as Mohammed Bouyeri wrote in the note he attached to the corpse of Theo van Gogh, the Dutch filmmaker he had just assassinated, â€œIslam will be victorious through the blood of martyrs who spread its light in every dark corner of this earth.â€

Interestingly, van Goghâ€™s murderer was frustrated by the mistaken motives attributed to him, insisting at his trial: â€œI did what I did purely out of my beliefs. I want you to know that I acted out of conviction and not that I took his life because he was Dutch or because I was Moroccan and felt insulted.â€

Although terrorists state their jihadi motives loudly and clearly, Westerners and Muslims alike too often fail to hear them. Islamic organizations, Canadian author Irshad Manji observes, pretend that â€œIslam is an innocent bystander in todayâ€™s terrorism.â€

What the terrorists want is abundantly clear. It requires monumental denial not to acknowledge it, but we Westerners have risen to the challenge.â€ – http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2798

Comment by 4MR11B â€” June 18, 2006 @ 10:49 pm

first, liberality is itself the great liberal strength. an open mind, a generous spirit, and the courage to stand up and say “this is wrong,” when we are perpetrating those wrongs: that’s liberality.

second, i don’t know what your principles are, and i don’t profess to. i just know what i read: a blanket dismissal of the liberal POV, pretty much chapter and verse from neocon u, and that’s what i addressed, point for point. you didn’t respond directly to much of what i said — i.e., that you accuse liberals of spouting venom while spouting venom, that you condemn liberals for namecalling while namecalling, and that you dismiss liberal ideas as so-much propaganda while spewing so much propaganda — but that’s pretty much the rightwing MO. history repeats itself, again. lol.

third, nobody in iraq was forcing their way of life on us, here, in the US. it’s the other way around, isn’t it? aren’t we carrying “democracy” to them?

fourth, “muslim” and “terrorist” aren’t the same thing, no matter how often you confuse the two. (tangentially: unless … shall we call christians terrorists? rightwing christian fanatics have bombed abortion clinics and murdered doctors, after all, in their zeal to right what they see as a fundamental wrong: if all muslims are responsible for the acts of their fanatics, then aren’t all christians responsible for the acts of theirs? it’s a point to ponder. somehow, i doubt that you will do so.)

fifth, i’m not interested in playing “i’ll show you mine if you show me yours,” but i suggest you don’t introduce the comparison of service records into the mix here. you might find you’re not the only one who has given years to his or her country. then again, perhaps i ought to sit back and let you continue to assume otherwise. it seems to be what you’re best at doing.

sixth, the murder of van gogh is a (related but) different subject, and very telling in that you’d use it for deflection. and, fwiw, you can pull any number of quotes from a variety of sources, but it doesn’t add an iota of validity to your arguments, afaic. and your voltaire is out of context.

seventh, your high moral ground is looking a lot more like nothing but a high horse.

finally, i’m not the one whining. you don’t impress me, jack. *kisses*

By: James Matthew

James Matthew — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:36:34 +0000

I find it most interesting the use of Democratic President JFK’s words. When placed in proper historical context, these words were spoken during a time in our history when we were truly on the brink of a global war. These words were spoken at a time when many dug shelters and prayed they would be far enough from the blast zone, not really knowing or understanding what survival might be like after a nuclear disaster. The Russians were placing nuclear missiles less then 100 miles away and two countries were racing toward a very real game of nuclear chicken.

Compare it to this point in history. We hold the military cards. The regime is into nation building. There are more governmental programs for domestic spying. Our media is controlled by a select few. We’ve bought into the materialistic social trap. Got a nice place to live, got a good car to drive, still got a job, let’s not rock the boat… Remember those words Janice Joplin sang, “Freedom’s just another word for nothing left to lose…”

We Americans have surrendered our freedom at a cost so high; we will be paying that price with our submission for many years to come.

This is what we’re reduced to unless we do something about this regime. Turn off their propaganda, spread the word, help create change one story at a time, and just as East Germany fell in a quite manner, so too can this bloody regime fall. Remember, JFK didn’t have to use a single National Guardsman to get the Russians to withdraw the missiles from Cuba. Can this regime say the same? How many more must die in the name of corporate greed?

By: UnCommon Sense TV Media » Boehner Memo on Iraq Debate - Exploit 9/11

UnCommon Sense TV Media » Boehner Memo on Iraq Debate - Exploit 9/11 — Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:32:12 +0000

[...] These people are just too much. Not that this really is a surprise, but it is striking in the audacious nakedness of the political tactics involved. 1. Exploit 9/11. The two page memo mentions 9/11 seven times. It describes debating Iraq in the context of 9/11 as â€œimperative.â€ 2. Attack opponents ad hominem. The memo describes those who opposes President Bushâ€™s policies in Iraq as â€œsheepish,â€ â€œweak,â€ and â€œprone to waver endlessly.â€ 3. Create a false choice. The memo says the decision is between supporting President Bushâ€™s policies and hoping terrorist threats will â€œfade away on their own.â€ [...]