Hastert: Supporters of Bush Iraq Policy ‘Show The Same Steely Resolve’ As United 93 Passengers
Hastert: Supporters of Bush Iraq Policy ‘Show The Same Steely Resolve’ As United 93 Passengers
House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL), encouraging his colleagues to vote for the sham Iraq resolution during today’s debate on the Iraq war:
We in this Congress must show the same steely resolve as those men and women on United flight 93, the same sense of duty as the first responders who headed up the stairs of the Twin Towers. We must stand firm in our commitment to fight terrorism and the evil it inflicts around the world.
Full transcript below:
America’s response started high above a corn field in rural Pennsylvania. Brave men and women armed with nothing more than boiling water and dinner forks and broken bottles stood up as Americans always do when our freedom is in peril and they struck back. We know from the messages they left behind that their final thoughts were for their families and their loved ones, but they also spoke of their love of their country.
Freedom is never more than one generation from extinction. Perhaps the brave souls on United 93 reflected Ronald Reagan’s words, because the generation represented on that plane, like the patriots at Concord bridge were not going to let freedom be extinguished, not on their watch.
We in this Congress must show the same steely resolve as those men and women on United flight 93, the same sense of duty as the first responders who headed up the stairs of the Twin Towers. We must stand firm in our commitment to fight terrorism and the evil it inflicts around the world.
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Hastert is a fat, stupid traitor and a grand insulter of Americans’ intelligence.
Enough is enough!
June 15th, 2006 at 4:07 pmI’m shocked, SHOCKED that the Republicans in the Bush administration would stoop to politicizing the deaths from those in 9/11. Oh, wait…
June 15th, 2006 at 4:08 pmNothing like using the dead of 9-11 as props. Didn’t Ann Coulter get pissed off about that?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:08 pm“The same resolve as flight 93 passengers” . You mean we should be shot down by an F-22?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:10 pmand
Hasterd: it’s “Let’s roll” not” let’s roll over”
What garbage.
And, by the way, Hastert couldn’t have done anything to save himself on United 93, he’s just too fat to have gotten down the aisle of an airplane.
And don’t go using Mark Bingham and the brave passengers of that flight to sell your illegal war.
Iraq has NOTHING to do with 9/11.
Hastert and his Republican colleagues in the House have nothing to do with keeping America safe.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:10 pmOh, and Denny. . . try showing some steely resolve while at D.C. area food troughs.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:10 pmI hope this Fat Bastard has a heart attack, keels over and dies.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:13 pmWay to take out a dead corpse and sodomize it.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:15 pmHe’s got to be freakin’ kidding. I am speechless…
June 15th, 2006 at 4:16 pmAmericans are the worlds most vile terrorists. Go ahead, try to prove me wrong. I challenge each and everyone of you to PROVE to me that you are “better” than the criminals.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:16 pmWhat am I to conclude about this country when its citizens repeatedly elect someone like Dennis Hastert to represent them?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:16 pmHumanist,
June 15th, 2006 at 4:20 pmYou are painting Americans with a big damn brush. Don’t categorize us all as terrorists because you disagree with the actions of some of the “leaders.”
That is down right laughable considering the way they ran shrieking like a pack of banshees from the building after that car back fired!
June 15th, 2006 at 4:22 pmNo different than the 911 widows using their dead husbands to make an argument.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:23 pmCue Ann Coulter….
June 15th, 2006 at 4:25 pmHastert says:”We must stand firm in our commitment to fight terrorism …” All a Democrat who has the least bit of intelligence has to do to reply to this inane remark is to point out that the terrorists only comprise 7 percent of those who are fighting against the coalition forces in Iraq. To be very clear, that figure is not 70 but SEVEN percent. Terrorists also happen to be in 60 other countries around the world. Does Hastert propose that the United States invade and occupy 60 other countries, in what should essentially be approached as a criminal action, instead of dealing with the terrorists through military means? This can only confirm one’s suspicions that the Republicans attract people through emotion and false patriotism rather than through any kind of intellectual prism.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:25 pmIt’s only a sham if you think Iraq was about oil instead of putting the worlds most powerful military smack dab in the middle of tens of millions of rich, potentionally nuclear fundamentalist Muslim headchoppers.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:28 pmThere we go, American logic at its best – “We are not terrorists, are leaders are.”
You take no responsibility for your actions. You are now a nation of cowards, racists, and extreme religious fanatics. And you murder. And you lie. And you torture. And you kidnap. Just to name a few of the atrocities.
But you tell me it’s not your fault. Then whose fault is it?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:28 pm#10 – My condolences, HomanOID, on the death of your friend last week. If I had more time to waste with you, I could give you 50 reasons Americans are better than terrorists. But as I am pressed for time and you’re not worth much of that valuable time, so let me just say:
June 15th, 2006 at 4:30 pmPlease tell me that you’re a far more sophisticated European – and you live “over there”.
Americans have gone above and beyond to treat Americans of the Muslim religion fairly. (for all you terrorist sympathizers – know that those in Guantanamo are treated MUCH BETTER than any Americans “detained” by barbarians. Those who would do us harm should be investigated, tried if that’s where the evidence goes and convicted if warranted. Good loyal Americans come in all religions, some come with no religion at all – or belief in anything bigger than themselves. To each his own.
So Hastert is saying that with regard to the US’ Iraq policy, we need to behave like the passengers on United Flight 93…
Is he saying we all need to band together to overpower a group of criminals running the country so that we can together die as the country plunges into the ground?
This is a really, really bad analogy to use.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:30 pmHalliburton,
June 15th, 2006 at 4:31 pmIt is different because the 9-11 widows lost their husbands. Who did Hastert lose?
#17-IRI,
Yes, as opposed to the hundreds of millions rich, fat, already nuclear fundamentalist CHRISTIAN murderers, torturers, and headchoppers. Seems you need to redeploy your troops back to the worlds largest terrorist base, the USA.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:31 pm#17–Oh, so THAT’S what this huge waste of money and lives has been about. Thanks for setting us straight. Ya see, the rationales from the Bush Corporation have shifted so many times that I just couldn’t rememberize what our troops were dying for.
By the way, where’s bin Laden?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:33 pmHumanist,
June 15th, 2006 at 4:34 pmStereotyping a whole nation of people is not logical nor is imposing collective guilt on all Americans. You don’t know and you have no way of knowing what I or any of the other posters here have done to either prevent or support the war in Iraq or the actions of our leaders. You are talking through your ass so don’t invoke logic or taking responsibility for our actions.
Proof positive taht the American government is under right wing Bushite occupation…
…Rep. McDermott reveales that the U.S. Defense Dept. has released a 78 page booklet…
…of talking points for Repulsivescum to use in the debate…
…The U.S. Department of Defense…
June 15th, 2006 at 4:34 pm#24-Redleg,
Fine, I won’t generalize. Then who is responsible for the murders of the Iraqis? Who is responsible for the torture? Who is responsbile for the kidnapping…uh…renditions?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:39 pmDon’t it make you mad that Hastert also speeks for Hillary?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:41 pmDon’t it make you mad that Hillary is anti-war but says otherwise because she enjoys power?
Don’t you go to hell for that?
Let’s not forget, my friend, WE DID NOT ELECT THIS GUY!! He stole both elections. And, the actions of the American government are almost never in line with the wishes of the American people.
Instead of criticizing us, why not try to provide some ideas about what exactly you would have us do? Believe me, a majority of us Americans are looking for some way, any way, out of this regime. But how?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:43 pm#19-MA,
The world has no interest in your internal affairs and if you kept your hate, racism, and radical fundamentalism within your borders there would not be a problem. So don’t get all sanctimonious with me. All that the world is asking is for you to keep your shit to yourselves instead of foisting it upon us and trying to tell us it is rose petals. Only you fools fall for your own deceptions.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:43 pmHumanist, if we still had actual elections in this country, I’d put more of the onus on the American citizens. Unfortunately, our “elections” are rigged and most of our media serve as propaganda organs for the powers-that-be.
Were all German people responsible for Hitler?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:46 pm#28-Theylied,
I have offered suggestions, and will do so again:
- Stop paying taxes
June 15th, 2006 at 4:47 pm- Organize and engage in a general strike
- Protest outside of your “free speech” zones
- Engage in every act of civil disobedience imaginable
Repulsive!
June 15th, 2006 at 4:48 pmHumanist,
June 15th, 2006 at 4:48 pmAre you suggesting that all the world’s strife is due to American hate and actions? You appear to be stretching the truth a bit there.
#30-Preznit,
All Germans were complicit in the crimes of the Nazis, yes. Except of course for the ones who rebelled ACTIVELY and/or left.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:49 pmBoooooooring.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:50 pm#34-Redleg,
No, right now I am addressing the specific issue of Iraq, please stay on point.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:51 pmHumanist,
June 15th, 2006 at 4:52 pmOkay, besides posting on Think Progress, what have you actively done to end hatred and strife in your nation, in your world?
the fat bastard must have been watching that great fiction movie “Flight 93″ to burp up these comments. do a google on “Victor Thorn” and “Flight 93″ for real insight and truth here.
I loved the story of the fat bastard going to a gas station in a “green car” recently for a photo op just a couple of blocks from the fat bastard’s House office. afterwards, an AP photographer caught the fat bastard being dropped off at his big gas guzzlin’ suv just steps from the photo op.
when you’re a fat bastard and maybe, just maybe, you’ve been receivin’ abramoff big bucks, I guess you’re not thinkin’ of the health of the nation. you’re too busy using your mouth and handlin’ your wallet. . .
June 15th, 2006 at 4:53 pm#17
Comment by I-RIGHT-I
which after 3 years havent seized a poor, hopeless country witn a bunch of men in robes fighting for REAL freedom.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:54 pmThe world has no interest in your internal affairs and if you kept your hate, racism, and radical fundamentalism within your borders there would not be a problem. So don’t get all sanctimonious with me. All that the world is asking is for you to keep your shit to yourselves instead of foisting it upon us and trying to tell us it is rose petals. Only you fools fall for your own deceptions.
Comment by Humanist
The world is our oyster and you are a leftwing cumquat. We control the horizontal. We control the vertical and we decide what is torture and what is murder. After all only in America can be found the Moral Clarity to make such pronouncements. Name a country that is our equal.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:54 pmStupids like you can be from any country. Stupidity grows everywhere.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:58 pmLOL IRI vs Humanist,
I think I will get some popcorn.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:00 pmHumanist – unfortunately, in our twisted country, if you do not pay taxes you get thrown into prison. If you get thrown into prison, you are more than likely to be raped and beaten at the very least. And you often lose the right to vote (not that our votes matter any more). Sad but true. I can’t conceive of putting myself in this situation with the hopes that it might somehow bring about regime change.
General Strike – Many of us Americans are in debt up to our eyeballs. We have families to feed. We have expensive gas to purchase. Our laws largely favor employers and creditors. Many of us would lose our jobs.
Protest outside the Free Speech zones – I’m not quite sure what you are getting at. Could you give an example? Is this website an example of that?
Civil Disobedience – I like the idea, but again, for Americans, we understand that we live in a police state that is all too happy to lock us up. It’s a fine line.
I’m depressing myself as I write this response…
June 15th, 2006 at 5:01 pmWhat IRI is saying is, “We’ll cram the American version of freedom* down your throats with our superior military might whether you want it or not”.
Just what our founding fathers intended.
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June 15th, 2006 at 5:01 pm*freedom for corporations to make as much money as possible with no restrictions on pollution or employee conditions; not freedom for individuals.
#38-Redleg,
I am doing EVERYTHING imaginable. However, I will not get into details because your internet and phone systems are monitored. How wonderful for you, by the way.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:01 pmBoy the Republicans are goofy today > Hastert proves again that he is a big fat swine!
June 15th, 2006 at 5:02 pm#42-IRI,
That’s an easy one, Nazi Germany.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:03 pmHe’s the wind beneath my wings… :(
June 15th, 2006 at 5:04 pmHumanist. Were you be able to do something down there in Chile during Pinochet´s dictatorship? I am with you in some points, in others…maybe when another Che Guevara is born.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:06 pm“We in this Congress must show the same steely resolve as those men and women on United flight 93, the same sense of duty as the first responders who headed up the stairs of the Twin Towers.”
So, Congress is going to rush the “cock-pit” and beat the hell out of the “pilot” that is driving this nation into disaster? And here I thought the ethically challenged Republicans liked the Pilot: Pres. Bush!
I guess they’re beginning to wake up to his disasterous policies that progressives have knoen about for a long time. . . . .
June 15th, 2006 at 5:06 pm#45-Theylied,
Believe me when I tell you that I understand. However, you have to reassess your values and priorities. People are dying every day due to your inaction, and your excuse is that the inconvenience of what it will take to stop it is too much for you to bear.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:07 pmBush cannot leave Iraq without the oil contracts
The American People will string him up
He has no victory plans without the oil
Bush will not get the Oil contracts
Iraq cannot let the Americans have oil contracts
Americans came to steal the oil and pay for the war with oil
Iraq has Victory plans
Bush will not get the Oil contracts
Why waste any more lifes without the oil contracts
June 15th, 2006 at 5:10 pmYou are being played by the Shanghai Corporations Games
Humanist, aren’t people dying because of your inaction also? Why are you here and not out stopping wars?
June 15th, 2006 at 5:10 pmI think you got this right. The only ones that can stop massacres all around the world are US citizens.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#51-Juan C,
I am fighting the Pinochets of today, not the Bushs of yesterday.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:10 pmI’m embarrassed and disgusted not just by this giant pus-sac in the shape of a man, but by every single resident of our state of Illinois who ever voted for this slime to begin with.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#49 – Hey, that’s not right! The Nazi’s shot the people they disagreed with, and the Republicans don’t have the guts to go THAT far out on their delusional party raft!
I think they’re all secretly afraid they’d get their a$$e$ handed to them if they tried. You never know how many progressive’s are packing heat now-a-days!
June 15th, 2006 at 5:10 pmLOL IRI vs Humanist,
I think I will get some popcorn.
Comment by Krazny — June 15, 2006 @ 5:00 pm
Me too!
June 15th, 2006 at 5:11 pm#56-redneck hick,
What do you think that I am doing? The ultimate responsiblity of the actions of the government of the United States of America lay with the PEOPLE. Unlike your mr. bush, I try diplomacy first.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:12 pm#58 You should start with Michelle Bachelet and her so called “left”.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:13 pmDemocrat Soldier,
June 15th, 2006 at 5:14 pmThe Rethuglicans live under the delusion that all liberals and democrats are wimpy pushovers. That epithet only applies to our elected officials!
The Germans who actively rebelled against Hitler were sent to Concentration Camps themselves! I visited Dachau camp, in Germany in 1979 and many who died at that facility were Germans! Anyone found out to be Homosexual was sent there; German clergy who spoke out in their churches against Hitler; Labor leaders who opposed Hitler; Business owners who refused to support the Nazis; and many others too! Dachau was the first of Hitler’s camps and GITMO is Bush’s first camp, so Americans are beginning to realize anyone could end up in a camp now for opposing the Dubya Dunce Decider Dictator!
June 15th, 2006 at 5:14 pm#60-Democrat Soldier,
And how far away do you think you are from that now? Also, you may want to read up on Haditha.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:16 pmIf Speaker Hastert wants his Republican colleagues to “show the same steely resolve as those men and women on United flight 93, the same sense of duty as the first responders who headed up the stairs of the Twin Towers”, then I suggest he have them impeach the President and Vice President for their illegal actions and reckless disregard for the U.S. Constitution. Otherwise, they’re just plain cowards.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:17 pm#63-Juan C.
I do not know the name, but will perform the necessary research. But I think that you would agree that whoever she is, she is not as urgent a matter as the USA is.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:18 pmThat’s not the entire story Humanist. The other thing that is stopping me is that I don’t think that my doing those things will do one damn bit of good. Now if I thought millions of Americans would join me, I might see things differently.
But how could I ever expect to have millions of Americans join me? Our media is expert at keeping us from seeing protest and descent. There might be thousands marching on Washington today but how would I ever know about it? The major media certainly will never cover it.
So how can one possibly reach critical mass with public protest while such a strangle hold exists on our communications infrastructure? It appears that our government is about to hand over control of our entire internet pipeline to corporate donors who will be legally allowed to block any content that they deem a danger to their corporate interests.
How can we possibly organize under such conditions? So no, I’m not interested in throwing away what little freedom I have left to make a point that nobody will hear.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:18 pm“Steely Resolve”???
Isn’t this a GOP homosexual code word for a bottom?
June 15th, 2006 at 5:18 pmQuick…somebody…was that in the talking points released yesterday? How about the ones that slipped out of the Pentagon?
June 15th, 2006 at 5:19 pm#65-Jay Randal,
I agree completely. So what are you waiting for, the franchise to expand?
June 15th, 2006 at 5:20 pm#68. Oh, sorry. I thought you were from Chile. By the way, it does matter were you are. It is nice to speak up from Sweden or any other real I World country.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:21 pm#69-Theylied,
You have defeated yourself before you even have tried anything. You will not try because it will probably fail? It seems that the “terrorists” have already won then.
Come on, tell me you have better values than that.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:24 pmHumanist, I think it’s interesting that you are yelling at us–readers of a progressive blog, who are interested in fixing the problems you mentioned. Your ire is better directed toward those at FreeRepublic, who actively condone the murderous, imperialistic, fascistic course we have embarked upon under the direction of Bush and the Republicans.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:24 pmWas it worth to remove Saddam Hussein
2500 US soldiers dead
18,490 troops wounded in action
8,501 who did not return to duty.
320 billion Dollars
Right Wing Americans are living in Fantasy world
You will not get the Oil
The oil will not pay for the war
Do you seriously think the Iraqis will hand over the oil after killing 180,000 of them and god knows how many wounded and maimed for life, to pay for the war , steal all the future money the country will ever have and fund American mortgages for years to come
would every American sell their house and Pay for rebuilding Iraq – NO
June 15th, 2006 at 5:25 pmBest thing to do Is leave and take Saddam back to America and beat 320 billion dollars out of him (( At least)) And get rid of Bush the loser
Comment by TheyLied
June 15th, 2006 at 5:25 pmFriend, that seemed like you live in Rwanda.
Perhaps “Humanist” is from Free Republic.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:26 pm#73-Juan C,
I’ve been to Sweden, lovely people. How condescending of you to attempt to criticize them for NOT being the murderous thugs that the USA has become.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:26 pmPost 72 Humanist > what nation are you from or living in at present? Americans are basically defenseless against the Bush Regime! Even Patrick Fitzgerald crapped his pants and let Karl Rove off scott-free! The FBI and the CIA are completely contolled by Bush goons, and the Pentagon does whatever they are told, including moving tanks into our cities to keep us in line! Its another Nazi Germany or Stalinist Dictatorship here now!
June 15th, 2006 at 5:26 pm#79 Humanist. Yeah. That´s exactly what I meant. Pffffff.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:29 pmHastert is no fool, everyone. Everything he says is true, and this is the same for all of our leadership. Please stop, you are tearing American apart. I would be so happy if we could all fall in under the banner of Christ and Country.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:30 pmIt’s not about my values. I have very high moral values thank you very much. It’s about my own observations and estimations of what would be the likely outcome of what you propose.
I’m sorry, but again, if I don’t pay my $20,000 in taxes next year, what does it matter? This country is in the hole for 8 trillion and counting! So who have I harmed? Nobody.
And then I will likely go to jail. For what? That’s what I’m saying. You are talking about ideals while I am compelled to deal with reality. I would also argue that I have a greater chance of effecting change in this country while an employed, “free” man than while in an American prison.
I respect your ideals, but I just don’t think they are at all based in reality.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:31 pm#75-Adrift,
I am attempting to reach ALL Americans and am posting where ever I am allowed (love how your “freedom of speech” thing is evolving by the way). I don’t care what “party” or “team” you are affiliated with. Your bombs and bullets say “Made in the USA” not “Made by Republicans”. You have fallen victim to the logic flaw of partisan thinking.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:32 pmCAPTION CONTEST!!!: Ho- Ho- Freakin -Ho.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:32 pm(well, it is a start)
i think what Adrift is saying is: “We get it!!” You only have so many hours in a day. Why not spend them on people who really need to get a clue?!
June 15th, 2006 at 5:37 pmIt’s only a sham if you think Iraq was about oil instead of putting the worlds most powerful military smack dab in the middle of tens of millions of rich, potentionally nuclear fundamentalist Muslim headchoppers.
Comment by I-RIGHT-I — June
The republican plan in the Senate to give these “headchoppers” amnesty will dove-tail nicely with that agenda, eh?
June 15th, 2006 at 5:38 pmCaption:
June 15th, 2006 at 5:38 pmHastert: I will demonstrate steely resolve as my shoulders bow with the weight of my hideously malformed soul.
#84 Humanist,
June 15th, 2006 at 5:40 pmYou seem to have fallen victim to the logical flaw of over-generalization, with your blanket condemnation of Americans. It’s almost as bad as thinking all Muslims deserve death since terrorists shout “Praise Allah,” before they detonate. Those of us here recognize that our country has serious problems that must be addressed. And we are working on it–the drumbeat of the progressive netroots is becoming louder. Hopefully, the change we all want will be achieved sooner rather than later. Short of political victory, what do you propose the progressives in America do? What advice would you offer?
#82–Hastert and his fellow Bush enablers took the tragedy of 9/11 and used it as a pretext to invade a country that had nothing to do with it (nor, as it turns out, did they have WMDs). “Al Qaeda” (if it really exists) wasn’t in Iraq before the invasion but now that organization is supposedly flourishing in a tattered country that’s in the midst of a civil war brought on by our invastion. Sorry, Hastert IS a fool for not jumping ship and coming to his senses before it’s too late.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:40 pm#80-Jay,
I am a resident of this planet, Earth, just like you are. I am disturbed to hear that you feel that you are at the mercy of the very people who you elected freely. And, yes, I am aware of your election issues. But think about it, am I really to excuse Americans because some hacker may have juiced their election. The great nation of the USA was taken down by a computer geek? Of course I’m oversimplifying, but I hope that you get my point.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:40 pmWe in this Congress must show the same steely resolve as those men and women on United flight 93, the same sense of duty as the first responders who headed up the stairs of the Twin Towers. We must stand firm in our commitment to fight terrorism and the evil it inflicts around the world.
Contrast that with this:
Five Republican Senators today took to the chamber floor invoking Nelson Mandela, the Confederacy, and even the Japenese to defend an Iraqi government plan to grant amnesty for insurgents who have attacked United States troops, or civilians, RAW STORY has learned.
Iraqi leadership has proposed amnesty for insurgents as part of the foundation of a new government.
“If they bore arms against our people,” said Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, “What’s the difference between those people that bore arms against the Union in the War between the States? What’s the difference between the Germans and Japanese and all the people we’ve forgiven?â€
Senator Lamar Alexander (R-TN) likened the granting of amnesty to former insurgents to efforts that earned Nelson Mandela a Nobel prize. “Forgiveness,” he said, “has been a major factor in what has been a political miracle in Africa.”
Senator Saxby Chambliss argued that forgiveness had already been at work in Iraq, asking: “Is it not true today that we have Iraqis who are fighting the war against the insurgents, who at one time fought against American troops and other coalition troops as they were marching to Baghdad, who have now come over to our side and are doing one heck of a job of fighting along, side by side, with Americans and coalition forces, attacking and killing insurgents on a daily basis?”
Majority Whip Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and John Cornyn (R-TX) each took to the floor to argue that there should be no argument–that debate over whether or not to condemn the actions of the new government were merely distractions from real debate.
“…Might it not just be as useful an exercise to be trying to pass a resolution commending the Iraqi government for the position that they’ve taken today with regard to this discussion of Amnesty?†asked McConnell
C’mon IRI, tell us the plan! ‘Cause it’s looking a little schizo right now . . .
June 15th, 2006 at 5:41 pm#89-Adrift,
You are comparing apples to oranges. Read your Constitution and then you tell me where the responsibility for the actions of your government and country reside. This is a serious request.
I sympathize with your frustration but your request that the world wait for you to figure things out is not reasonable. People are dying EVERY DAY. What value do you place on those lives?
June 15th, 2006 at 5:45 pmAmnesty for headchoppers, brought to you by the same folks that started the war. Tell us again how much republicans respect the sacrifices of our servicemen, IRI, you pathetic tool.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:46 pmHumanist it is more complicated than just a geek hacking the vote tabulating machines in 2004 > the American press went along with the scam and called everyone who cried foul a conspiracy nut! Dictatorships take over the press first, then the courts, then every other institution! It happened in Germany and it has occured again in America under Bush!
What nation are you lucky enough to live in? United Kingdom/Great Britain is worse than the US with that pig Blair as PM! Australia is run by a Bush stooge fascist as well! Canada has a right wing goon now as PM! France under Chirac is not doing well either!
June 15th, 2006 at 5:49 pm#83-Theylied,
I do understand. By the way, your taxes are paid as you go and then reconciled at the end of the year, correct? So, if you and a large group of Americans stopped paying them, imagine the affect that will have on your nation’s cash flow. And you won’t go to jail. Worst case scenario is that you have to pay penalties and interest.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:50 pmIsn’t amnesty for headchoppers “emboldening our enemies?” IRI, where are you . . .
June 15th, 2006 at 5:50 pmYou got that right.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:50 pm#95-Jay,
I know, that’s why I acknowledged that I was oversimplifying. However, the point remains the same, the power of the people is being ignored. What is it going to take to wake the sleeping giant?
June 15th, 2006 at 5:53 pm#93 Humanist,
I recognize the legitimacy of your complaint that we the American people are ultimately responisble for this debacle. And it weighs heavily on the consciences of the progressive community, and we are interested in fixing it–that is why we come to websites like this one.
However, you seem not to have much advice for us. Your opinions, though informative, are not very helpful. We can all whine just as loudly as you, but it won’t change anything. If you have any constructive ideas, then please share.
I gotta run now, but I hope we meet again.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:56 pmSo you see, Iraq policy has been hijacked by terrorists, just like United 93. We have no choice as patriotic Americans but to go down in a fiery wreck.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:57 pmHumanist at this stage in the game, I am not sure what can be done to stop it, but all despots like Bush come to a bad end! If he attacks Iran that would trigger global WWIII and war by many nations on America > who knows maybe the Chinese hordes might invade America and put Bush to the sword in his bunker? Before it all all ends our cities might be reduced to rubble by nuclear bombs > it is all unknown now?!
June 15th, 2006 at 5:58 pm#96 Humanist,
A quick response–our gov’t has no problem spending money it doesn’t have. Check out our debt and deficit. Even if you could get a large block of people to go along, witholding taxes wouldn’t do a thing.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:00 pmHastert should go back to coaching high school wrestling. He’s WAY in over his head. It would seem they’ve gone to this well far too many times. The polls suggest Americans are seeing well beyond this now. The Democrats should start hammering away on the cost of the war in lives, and money. Rummy and Co. testified that it would only cost around $50 billion that oil revenue would pay for the rest. They early retired a general who suggested otherwise and ran an economist out of town. With the latest appropriation we’re well on the way to half a trillion dollars and before we know it, $1 trillion and counting. At some point, these ballooning costs are unsustainable financially considering our already weak and declining fiscal position.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:07 pm#102-Jay,
You are not as far off as you might think. Of course your radical fundamentalists (and I refrain from calling them “Christians” because their actions are incongruent with the philosophies and teachings of the man) will tell you that it is destined to happen. It is incredibly petty and self-serving.
I guess that the question is, have you given up? Did you throw in the proverbial towel? Lastly, and this is where it gets bizzare, who then would you side with if WWIII begins?
June 15th, 2006 at 6:08 pmSo, in other words, the GOP should wait helplessly until they, too, get shot down, crash and burn?
Sounds good to me…
June 15th, 2006 at 6:12 pm#103-Adrift,
I respectfully disagree. If you study your country’s financial mechanism you will see that such an event would cause catastrophic cash flow problems and would require constant involvement of your congressional representatives. The USA would have to start to have fire sales on their treasury notes and the laws of supply and demand would then devalue all your notes, assuming any other country would want to buy them at all. A financial collapse would be imminent.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:13 pmHumanist if Bush sets off WWIII I could not back him > even Germans at the last did not stop our troops coming into Germany after Hitler! Russians beat us to Berlin which ended up dividing Germany in half! If the Chinese invade I might have to learn to speak Mandarin > lol.
I wish I could be optimistic, but when Fitzgerald let Rove off he ended our last hope in America!
June 15th, 2006 at 6:14 pm#108-Jay,
I understand sir. However, I do feel that the last hope of the USA is its people, the sleeping giant that I referred to earlier. I only wonder what it is going to take to rustle that giant from its slumber, or if it will sleep through its own funeral.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:21 pm“I am a resident of this planet, Earth, just like you are. I am disturbed to hear that you feel that you are at the mercy of the very people who you elected freely. And, yes, I am aware of your election issues. But think about it, am I really to excuse Americans because some hacker may have juiced their election. The great nation of the USA was taken down by a computer geek? Of course I’m oversimplifying, but I hope that you get my point.
Comment by Humanist ”
So in short: You’re some guy at a keyboard who thinks he’s someone because he can post in the coments section of a blog. Nice.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:23 pmHeyy, what about this!!! GAO´s new report on FEMA´s fraud regarding Katrina relief.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:24 pm#107 And then we all nose-dive into another Great Depression and starve. Hooray!
June 15th, 2006 at 6:27 pmHas anyone ever noticed that all the solid supporters of Bush’s war never served in the military themselves? Bush-ANG deserter;Cheney-5 deferment Dick; Ashcroft 7 deferments; other draft-dodgers include Hastert, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Feith, Perle, Rove, Limbaugh, Oreilly, Hannity, Kristol, Buchanan. The list is almost endless. Yep, these are the brave souls with steely resolve to lead us to victory. They will fight to the last poor American(they are to rich to risk their own asses or those of their own children). Q. Why isn’t Dick(anvil)head, IRI, and trannie Coulter fighting in Iraq? A. These sorry cheesedicks have NO balls. They are pro-war only if someone Else’s ass is on the line.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:28 pm#110-Dennis Raines,
No, sir, I am a human being doing everything I can to stop the murders that are occuring in your name. I am employing the peaceful tool of DIPLOMACY. What is up to you, my intellectually challenged friend, is whether or not “Plan B” goes into play.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:28 pmHumanist Americans might wake-up or they might never wake-up? If I was Nostradamus, then I might be able to forecast an outcome, but I cannot foresee America’s future under Dubya Dunce Decider Dictator! George Orwell in his book 1984 was very pessimistic in that Oceania under Big Brother never seemed to end, but I do believe that Bush is mimicing the Hitler model more, which means we get conquered and occupied most likely by China!
June 15th, 2006 at 6:31 pm“#110-Dennis Raines,
No, sir, I am a human being doing everything I can to stop the murders that are occuring in your name. I am employing the peaceful tool of DIPLOMACY. What is up to you, my intellectually challenged friend, is whether or not “Plan B†goes into play.
Comment by Humanist”
Wow. So plan A is insult everyone into action, then Plan B???? More comments on blogs? Maybe make your own on google pages?
June 15th, 2006 at 6:31 pm#112-redneck hick,
That would only occur if your country continued to be arrogant and ignorant. A number of you have asked for suggestions on how to have a peaceful effect, and I have given you some suggestions. I’m sorry that the task at hand is too daunting for you personally.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:34 pm#115-Jay,
I truly hope not. However, I do love Chinese food so that will give me a reason to visit. (rare display of lighthearted humor)
June 15th, 2006 at 6:38 pmAh, the same plane that Rumsfeld said was shot down?
June 15th, 2006 at 6:43 pmHUMANIST IS A RIGHT WING TROLL! IGNORE IT!
I personally believe “Humanist” is “IRI”. Oh sure they banter to one another (wink wink), but they to be cut from same adolescent eunuch locked in the basement pounding at the keyboard trying to get a rise. Typical teen, he is the only one who had read the “Prince” and understands subversion. Son, go masturbate and relieve the tension.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:51 pm#120
Hey man, cut me some slack. I’m trying to enjoy the last hour at work :)
June 15th, 2006 at 6:55 pm#120
I find provoking the troll/”it” is pretty amusing. :)
Also after about 30-40 posts in an article the comments always become crap, and everyone moves on to the newest.
June 15th, 2006 at 7:02 pm#120-Citizen80203,
I am certain that you find yourself amusing, so there is at least one person in your audience.
As you seem to not desire a conversation on the issue, I will have to let you be to spew your “insults” and baseless accusations. It’s a petty existence and why you choose it is beyond me but it seems you have many kindred spirits in the USA so you won’t be alone on your journey, regardless of how misguided it is.
Good luck to you.
June 15th, 2006 at 7:16 pmGood lord. Will these Republicans in Washington stop using 9-11 and it’s victims to further their sorry agenda? You bet they’ll try. Shameful pukes.
June 15th, 2006 at 7:17 pm#122-Dennis Raines,
I could not have described your comment better.
Good luck in your future endeavors.
June 15th, 2006 at 7:17 pmCitizen80203, I don’t think that IRI has “Humanist” in him, I doubt that Humanist is IRI’s alter ego.
Humanist, thanks for the chuckle in post #118, it’s nice to know that you don’t take yourself totally seriously. I happen to agree with most of what you’ve posted, and I hope we hear more from you.
I’m leaving, see everyone tomorrow!
June 15th, 2006 at 7:25 pmAny person who does not agree with out wonderful President and the Holy War on Terror in Iraq is paying disrespect to the people killed in 9/11. Those martyrs would wish us to go to war.
As I am a holy man of God, I therefore speak for all AMericans.
Rev. Davies
June 15th, 2006 at 9:59 pmIdaho
Looks like Traitor Rove has had his meeting with the GOP in Congress because they are already yapping and screaming Traitor Rove’s line, the one he delivered in New Hampshire about the Dems cut and run and the Dems won’t stay to finish the fight. Thing is Traitor Rove made sure that his fat ass didn’t go to war…. 3 deferments even after he dropped out of college.
Repubs – cowards everyone of them.
June 15th, 2006 at 10:42 pmHey Rev… are you a member of the American Taliban?
June 15th, 2006 at 10:42 pmHumanist – you are beginning to sound like a recruiter for Al Qaeda.
June 15th, 2006 at 10:45 pmNumber 129, you shall burn in Hell.
All Communists, Gays, Democrats, Liberals, Muslims and others shall go there.
Rev. Davies
P.S. Dear ‘coffins draped in flags’ I know that each of our brave 2,500 boys killed wanted to be die for their country. Their famililies are glad of the fact their members are now with God.
As for the 100,000 Iraqis killed? They are not Christian, and it is God’s will.
June 15th, 2006 at 10:57 pm#82 Herman Hayes – another member of the American Taliban along with Rev Paul Davies and IRI.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:07 pmI guess the passengers of flight 93 said hey we’re being hjacked, let’s go attack Iraq!
June 15th, 2006 at 11:52 pmHumanist, you pathetic coward. What country are you from? If you don’t say you have no right to criticize.
June 16th, 2006 at 12:28 amRev. Davies > you are a mentally ill far right wing weirdo, so go spew your fascism somewhere else please!
June 16th, 2006 at 12:51 amFrom a Brit:
I think all you Yanks are sick. Go and burn a few more babies you dogs. Face it, the world hates America now. You are a bunch of murders, each and everyone of you. Humanist and Rev Davies have confirmed it for me.
Go and see what you have created….the 100000 iraqis dead. Hundreds of thousands more permanently mentally scarred by your ‘country’.
June 16th, 2006 at 1:13 amI somehow keep seeing Humanist as looking and talking just like the Comic Book Store Guy on the Simpsons… doesn’t his affected, smarmy tone kind of match?
June 16th, 2006 at 3:22 amHe seem to think that dissing those of us on the left who think things should be differrent makes him look superior…
FAKE!
I-R-I alert…
Top Sunni asked Bush for pullout timeline
BAGHDAD, Iraq – Iraq’s vice president has asked President Bush for a timeline for the withdrawal of foreign forces from Iraq, the Iraqi president’s office said.
Vice President Tariq al-Hashimi, a Sunni, made the request during his meeting with Bush on Tuesday, when the U.S. president made a surprise visit to Iraq.
“I supported him in this,” President Jalal Talabani said in a statement released Wednesday. Al-Hashimi’s representatives could not immediately be reached for comment Thursday.
Bush made it clear during his visit that the U.S. military presence – now at about 132,000 troops – would continue, though he stressed the fate of the Iraqis was in their own hands…………….BUT HE WAS ASKED TO MAKE A FREAKIN BOO TIMETABLE TO GET THE FREAKIN BOO OUT OF IRAQ
DID YOUR SENATE HAVE THESE DETAILS OR ARE THEY STILL HOPING FOR THE OIL CONTRACTS ???????????????????????????????????????
June 16th, 2006 at 5:13 amhttp://groups.myspace.com/liberaldemocraticpartyoftheunitedstatesofamerica
June 16th, 2006 at 6:38 amNumber 137 …..which country used napalm?
Yes, the US.
Who was the instigator of the war….yes, the US.
Abu Graib? Haditha? My Lai? Hiroshima? Removal of democratically elected Allende?
The Americans are revolting people, people who are so misinformed it’s not funny. Your news is just right-wing propaganda…and yes I’ve seen it.
June 16th, 2006 at 7:18 am“We in this Congress must show the same steely resolve as those men and women on United flight 93, the same sense of duty as the first responders who headed up the stairs of the Twin Towers.â€
The fat bastard and the rest of the whores showd the “same steely resolve” in awarding themselves a pay increase! What a joke this guy is for a so-called leader.
June 16th, 2006 at 8:05 amDear all americans….
get off your fat arses and do something about your politics. We are sick of having to tell you, and you sit there whineing about it. Get the nation up and going for november, and kick the murders out!
For christ sake, just do it. Do something constructive for once.
June 16th, 2006 at 8:09 amAlmost puked listening to Monica Make-my-skin-crawl on IMUS….what a bunch of bull!!!!
June 16th, 2006 at 8:41 amI had to switch channels to info-mercials.
What’s with all these non-amercians telling us what to do? Yeah – they are on the wrong blog. They need to go to redstate or some other right wingnut blog.
Actually, anyone that is suggesting that Americans start a civil war, such as Humanist, Nat Daddo, and Chris Martin are Al Qaeda plants. This is how they start brainwashing their suicide bombers. Go back to your caves and stay out of American politics. It’s bad enough that we have to listen to ass wipes like O’Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh and the rest, let alone be exposed to your uninformed attacks on our patriotism.
June 16th, 2006 at 8:44 amDear ‘coffin draped in flags’. If you are suggesting I believe in a million years that America should start a civil war you are even more braindead than I give you credit for. Is there anything upstairs? Just a regular dumb America. I’ve got an image of Cletus the Slack Jawed Yokel in mind.
P.S. Go over to Iraq and fight you girl, if you think it’s so good. What’s that? Are you too scared? You aren’t chicken are you??
Oh, little american guy is too frightened. He decides to be a ball-less sucker ……
June 16th, 2006 at 8:48 amChris Martin,
You want to get into a discussion about the character of one’s nation… after all, wasn’t the world dominated by the Brits at one time? Didn’t the Brits along with the Dutch and Spainards desecrate the “Americas” and kill off the indiginous people of the Americas? History teaches us that it was England that sent the most settlers to the “colonies” which is now the USA. Turn around and take a look at your “English” values and you will see that the USA has learned well from England. After all, this country is rulled by WASPs – White Anglo-Saxon Protestants.
So before you acuse us, take a look at yourselves.
June 16th, 2006 at 8:51 amI think you need to look to the scale of your own country’s destruction matey.
We aren’t responsible for the atrocities of the US.
June 16th, 2006 at 9:08 amOne last thing, I’m actually a British Conservative (certified member), not a member of Al Qaeda.
June 16th, 2006 at 9:30 amCowards… America should be in Saudi Arabia’s face.
June 16th, 2006 at 10:13 amOne last thing, I’m actually a British Conservative (certified member), not a member of Al Qaeda.
Comment by Chris Martin
Nonsense.
June 16th, 2006 at 11:23 amIf you think it’s not possible to be both malevolent and conniving while at the same time, a doltish, oafish simpleton, take a peek at Denny “J. Dennis” Hastert in real life.
Drop in any time to see what it’s like living 50 Miles Out of the Loop.
http://50milesout.blogspot.com
June 16th, 2006 at 11:31 amJohn Kerry lost because he couldn’t make a decision about the war in Iraq… America couldn’t trust him with our defense. Now the Republicans put the Dems’ feet under the fire…. and they still can’t… which of course means the Dems will loose this November… I give mad props for Dennis “the Menace” Kicinach (spelling)… At leat he was sincere… and so was Murtha… tell us how you really feel…. tell us what you think the majority of Americans think… Get out… Cut and Run… we are “losing”… problem is the rest of them can’t say it… they hang the carrot out there for the precious “independent” votes for November… Cause they know in reality the majority of America is willing to stay the course because we are willing… Polll say the majority of Americans disapprove of the way President Bush is handling the war…. hell so do I… but they don’t ask specifically what they disapprove of nor do they ask if we should pull out…. But hey the knuckleheads know they can’t the religious left cause they will get put right out of office…. Basically the the democrats are stretched too thin cause they have nuanced themselves to death… but thats why they claim to celebrate their “diversity” right? It’s politics and that is the game we play….
I thought this was the party of JFK…who wasn’t an isolationist… who believed in fighting tyranny and keeping the interests of american security everywhere to help people raise a government in which they have a say.. Democracy…. but it seems to me the Dems have lost that out of bitterness over an election… They hate George W. Bush more than they hate terrorism, tyranny, and genocide….
Dems need to be a positive something instead of a negative nothing.
June 16th, 2006 at 11:44 amHe meant to say “We must stand firm in our commitment to terrorism and to inflicting evil around the world.”
June 16th, 2006 at 2:02 pm[...] The first concerns the House floor debate on Iraq, and the ongoing effort of Republicans to tie Iraq to 9.11. Here’s a sample from Dennis Hastert: “America’s response started high above a corn field in rural Pennsylvania. Brave men and women armed with nothing more than boiling water and dinner forks and broken bottles stood up as Americans always do when our freedom is in peril and they struck back…. We in this Congress must show the same steely resolve as those men and women on United Flight 93, the same sense of duty as the first responders who headed up the stairs of the Twin Towers.” [...]
June 16th, 2006 at 2:03 pmI have a definite appreciation for our new friend “Humanist”. However, I think the names “Pessimist” or “Anarchist” might appeal to his/her sense of self-description. But dear “Humanist”, please continue to illustrate for the majority of Americans why we are grateful NOT to live in Europe, Africa, Asia, or South America.
June 16th, 2006 at 4:11 pmHmmmm….what do Dem Comgressmen know about their constituents that Think Progress does not?? Could these Dems realize their constituents EXPECT them to support the War on Terror??? I wonder….
June 16th, 2006 at 4:14 pmi don’t know what the Dems think… i honestly don’t… I am still waiting for their solutions.
You should check out Michael Fumento said concerning his visit to Ramadi, which is the worst area in Iraq… Interestingly as well is that most of the reporters in Iraq do their stories in Bagdad near the Green Zone.
http://www.fumento.com/military/ramadi.html
June 16th, 2006 at 4:29 pmHastert, you should demonstrate your own steely resolve by seeing to it that every
swinging one of your own children, nieces, nephews and grandkids enlists and volunteers for Iraq immediatly.
Also, grow some balls and stop saying “support the troops” when what you’re really mean is “support the snakeoil policies of a former whiskey swigging, coke snorting, Viet Nam dodging, frat brat mommy’s boy, cheerleader”. Your euphemism is threadbare.
June 16th, 2006 at 9:51 pmI was in Desert Shield and Desert Storm in 1990. As a veteran of the 82nd Airborne Division, I recognize the importance of a mission, but, wait what Republican in Bush’s cabinet served? By inference then, they do not know on how to conduct a mission. Thus, idiots like TONY SNOW makes remarks like, “2500 dead is just a number”, he is a coward, as is Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. They cannot know the fear of marching into enemy territory “locked and loaded”, as they were AWOL from Vietnam!!!
All progressives need to unite and vote out of power, “the most corrupt administration in US history. We are closing in on one trillion in deficit spending, getting our ____’s kicked in by the trade deficit, and corporations are not only stealing us blind but they are not so discretely pocketing millions in profits at our expense.
Phil
June 17th, 2006 at 4:29 amI was in Desert Shield and Desert Storm in 1990. As a veteran of the 82nd Airborne Division, I recognize the importance of a mission, but, wait what Republican in Bush’s cabinet served? By inference then, they do not know on how to conduct a mission. Thus, idiots like TONY SNOW makes remarks like, “2500 dead is just a number”, he is a coward, as is Bush, Cheney, and Rumsfeld. They cannot know the fear of marching into enemy territory “locked and loaded”, as they were AWOL from Vietnam!!!
All progressives need to unite and vote out of power, “the most corrupt administration in US history. We are closing in on one trillion in deficit spending, getting our ____’s kicked in by the trade deficit, and corporations are not only stealing us blind but they are not so discretely pocketing millions in profits at our expense.
Phil
June 17th, 2006 at 4:29 amMy dad listens to Stephanie Miller in the morning and I love it! My Papa listens to Tony Snow in the afternnoon. “I have to listen to both but I got to tell you I like Stephanie Miller, Tony Snow is boring!”
Zach and I am 8 years old
June 19th, 2006 at 12:07 am[...] 81. House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) claimed that supporters of Bush’s Iraq policy “show the same steely resolve” as did the passengers on United 93. [Link] [...]
November 6th, 2006 at 6:19 pm[...] 81. House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL) claimed that supporters of Bush’s Iraq policy “show the same steely resolve†as did the passengers on United 93. [Link] [...]
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