Tony Snow Attacks President Carter
Tony Snow Attacks President Carter
Radio/television host Don Imus and White House Press Secretary Tony Snow attacked former President Jimmy Carter yesterday. Imus called Carter a “dope” and claimed his presidency had “humiliat[ed] America,” prompting laughter from Snow. Snow then drew two “comparisons” between Carter and Bush:
1. Whereas Bush “snuck off” to visit Iraq, Carter “used to sneak off and fish on the weekends.”
2. “[U]nlike in the Carter years, where…you had the humiliation of hostages being taken in Iran,” in Bush’s case, “you’ve got the president who’s showing up in Baghdad and talking with the new government.”
A couple points:
1) Tony Snow is in no position to mock President Carter for vacationing. President Bush has spent more time vacationing than any president in modern history, with 319 days worth as of August 2005. President Carter took 79 vacation days during his 4 years in office, the lowest of any president in modern history.
2) Kidnapping has become a “scourge of Iraqi unrest.” Tony Snow claims the hostage crisis in Iran was a humiliation for President Carter. But “at least 280 foreigners” — including many Americans — “and thousands of Iraqis…have been taken hostage since the US-led invasion of Iraq in 2003,” and Baghdad has become the “kidnap capital of the world.”
In any case, apparently it’s now acceptable for a sitting White House Press Secretary to publicly level ad hominem attacks against a former President of the United States.
Full transcript below:
SNOW: [Describing preparations for Tuesday's visit to Iraq] We all snuck off and got ourselves on one of those big old Chinook helicopters. Made our way to Andrews, the President wearing a baseball cap, actually schlepping luggage. Who would think the a president would schlep luggage? So, we did a good pretty job of getting out of here without anybody knowing.
IMUS: Didn’t that dope Jimmy Carter — I shouldn’t refer to the former president as a dope. [Laughter] I apologize. Didn’t Jimmy Carter, when he was humiliating America, didn’t he carry his own luggage or something? [Snow laughs]
SNOW: I don’t think — he also used to sneak off and fish on the weekends at Camp David. The thing you got here is, unlike in the Carter years, where from November 4, 1979 until November 4, 1980, obviously, when Reagan was elected, you had the humiliation of hostages being taken in Iran. Meanwhile, in this case, you’ve got the president who’s showing up in Baghdad and talking with the new government.
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Something to think about as a real contrast between Carter and Bush.
When Hurricane Katrina levelled New Orleans, it took Bush 2 days to cut his vacation short for a fly over.
When 3 Mile Island looked like it was about to do as Chernoble did years later; Jimmy Carter, went there. This was during the crisis, not after.
That is the difference between George Bush and Jimmy Carter.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:49 amCarter is a favorite punching boy of the right. According to them, we wouldn’t be in this mess if it wasn’t for him.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:50 amGet back to your sham children’s cancer ranch, you old fart Imus, and buy up some more ranch land under false non-profit claims. Then you can hide away in your compound when the people you support turn this country into a living hell hole.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:50 amIn any case, apparently it’s now acceptable for a sitting White House Press Secretary to publicly level ad hominem attacks against a former President of the United States.
As opposed to a former President and Vice President publicly leveling ad moninem attacks against a sitting President in a time of war.
What’s worse?
June 15th, 2006 at 11:53 amWhen your losing you do anything. I guess the racist Tony Snow forgot President Carter won the Nobel Peace Prize and Bush has won the prize for being the worse President in the history of America. Now the question really is were the jornalist laughing with Tony or at Tony. The lies just aren’t working anymore and to attack President Carter is low.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:55 am#4
In addition, most of the time they make these attacks on foreign soil because they haven’t got the guts to say them here.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:56 amAs opposed to a former President and Vice President publicly leveling ad moninem attacks against a sitting President in a time of war.
What’s worse?
Comment by C Storms
You’ve been reduced to ‘what’s worse’?
LOL
What’s worse, is the difference between truth and fiction, and apples and oranges.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:57 amGeorge W. Bush is an embarrassment to the United States. We are being laughed at by the entire world for electing that idiot — twice.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:58 amBy all means, trolls, let’s open up the debate. Snow can bash Carter and anyone can bash Bush. But to Carter’s credit, he didn’t get 3,000 soldiers killed just to give Iran control over another 10% of the world’s energy supply.
The point here is Snow is wrong. It is Bush who snuck off to go fishing.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:58 amThere is so much wrong with this, who knows where to begin?
Inaccurate. The hostages were held until January, when Reagan actually took office. Just the threat of Super-Ron didn’t scare the hostage-takers.
Jimmy Carter a dope? A graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a nuclear submarine engineer. Hardly a dope. Maybe Imus could carry his bags.
Jimmy Carter never negotiated with hostage-takers. Ronald Reagan and his stooges, North, Poindexter, McFarlane and others, of course did. The not only negotiated with hostage-takers, they rewarded them with arms and money. Those are the real dopes.
Let me remind one and all: Carter reported 11,488 new jobs in his four years. (Not a dope.) That is more jobs than than Nixon, more than Ford, more than Bush41, more than Bush 43 (in 5 years), and more than Super-Ron’s first four-year term, and more than 97% of his second term. All dopes
Then, Jimmy Carter went on to build houses for poor people and guarantee fair elections all around the world. The dopes all sat on their asses or played golf.
June 15th, 2006 at 11:59 am#6 Are you saying Gore and Carter have never criticized Bush on American soil?
June 15th, 2006 at 11:59 amLOL Bush rides his mountain bike like he is a stupid 12 year old kid > he even falls off on his face or crashes into people too! I do not understand why the Secret Service even allows him to cut brush with a chain saw on his ranch? Surprising he has not cut one of his legs off yet!
June 15th, 2006 at 11:59 am‘What’s worse, is the difference between truth and fiction, and apples and oranges.’
Why is the difference between apples and oranges worse then presidents/ex-presidents attacking each other?
Also, are these attacks like what happens when I go to Medivial Times?
June 15th, 2006 at 12:00 pmI used to like IMUS before he went live on MSNBC, now he just an old fart playing kissy face suck up to the rest of what one can only call as poor excuses for journalist (with the exception of keith Olbermann) that have over at NBC/MSNBC.
Now IMUS just panders to the right like the rest of the network does. I no longer listen to him, the Today show or Meet The Press.
The network bosses need to realize that the public is starting to catch on to them and will find other sources to get the unbiased news that it wants and needs.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:00 pm. . . part of shrub’s “bringing new civility to the WH”, you know, the uniter, not divider initiative.
Seems like an apology is due for engaging in this sort of diatribe. Tony having another rough start or de regieur? Perhaps the shrub could clear up whether its policy or a silly slip, like the sunglasses?
June 15th, 2006 at 12:00 pm#10 I guess the heartland doesn’t respect that. They only respect a President willing to kill a large number of people.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:01 pmJay
You answered your own question.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:02 pmIn any case, apparently it’s now acceptable for a sitting White House Press Secretary to publicly level ad hominem attacks against a former President of the United States.
It’s all the have… truth certainly is no friend of the Bush Administration.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:03 pmThese guys are pure class.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:05 pmIf Jesus returned he would break bread with Carter and pray for Shrub’s soul.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:07 pmAlthought Carter was one of the worst modern presidents, it was very very wrong for Snow to say anything like that. It was uncalled for and very wrong from a position in government like Snow has.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:08 pmWhy is the difference between apples and oranges worse then presidents/ex-presidents attacking each other?
If you’re going to criticize Carter, at least make sure you don’t wind up looking ridiculous.
You really think Snow wants to get into a Presidential comparison of vacation time, fishing…??
I’ve seen wingnut clowns bashing carter for years, never once mentioning that much of what Carter had to deal was a direct result of prior republican Presidencies – what really makes it laughable is the ‘blame Clinton’ defense bushbots use constantly in praise of their fuhrer.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:10 pm#21. defend this: “Carter was one of the worst modern presidents”
June 15th, 2006 at 12:10 pmPresident Carter’s only failure as a president was being unable to hold in check the military/industrial/drug complex.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:13 pmThe Iranian Revolution that occured during his Presidency was a direct result of the despotic dictatorship which the aforementioned complex set up and enabled.
Since leaving office, former President Jimmy Carter has done more good for the human race as a whole than all of the former presidents still alive at this time, plus the most recently departed one.
He was, and still is, a true Statesman.
I lament the loss of statesmanship in our national leaders. None have that quality as even a virtue, let along realizing it is a requirement for holding high office.
And the maggoty bunch of psycophants who now are the mouthpieces for this administration clearly articulate the contempt with which George W. Bush and the mob who have propped him up on their wretched little stage view not only the rest of the worlds peoples, but its very own citizens as well.
#5
Let me get this straight. The unemployment rate was almost double what it is today? Interest rates were in the mid to upper teens. The inflation rate was 18 – 20%. Meanwhile, we had 52 Americans being held in Iran as hostages and looked totally powerless to do anything about it. But the rest of the world loved us. I think the majority of Americans would disagree with you on who is and was the better president. In fact, it won’t even be a contest. While Jimmy was busy kissing Arafart’s ass, his terrorist groups were blowing up Israelis. What peace erupted in the middle east because of Carter? He has got to be one of the worst leaders we have ever had. Who cares if he won the Nobel Peace Prize? Its just a token gift anyway. President Bush is transforming the middle east and has freed 50 million people from tyranny.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:15 pmAll of the hostages taken while Carter was President returned home alive.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:16 pmI don’t find that humiliating.
Reagan probably wishes he had that success in Beruit.
You know the Republicrooks are in deep sheeahht when the only person they feel comfortable picking on was president thirty years ago.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:17 pmPresident Bush is transforming the middle east and has freed 50 million people from tyranny.
- comment by Randy the baked one
Randy – let the rest of us know what you’re smoking, because it must be very strong.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:19 pm#25……….
June 15th, 2006 at 12:22 pmJust what exactly is Dubious transforming the middle east into may I ask… care to amplify your view on what it may look like?
We came to a picnic on the beach and got blown to bits by an Israeli gun boat.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:24 pmRandy is one f’d up pot belly
# 25
Sorry, took a couple minutes to stop laughing after your post.
ABout that unemployment rate, you know, if you wingnuts weren’t lying all the time, you’d probably notice that unemployment rate under Carter was declining from highs achieved during Ford’s tenure.
Let’s not cloud your bs with facts, tho.
And..I’ll bet you have no idea how many kidnappings have occured in Iraq these last 3 years, would you say it’s more or less than 52?
Carry on.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:25 pmRandy,
What drugs are you on? Bush is transforming the Middle East? Freeing 50 million people? Bush has turned Iraq and Afghanistan into killing zones and terrorist breeding pits. Bush has squandered a great deal of our military and our treasury to disarm Saddam and has created a worse threat to the U.S. than we faced with Al Qaeda.
Don’t talk about freeing the Iraqis- most of your ilk don’t care about those folks and certainly don’t think of them as equals to us.
Keep in mind that Palenstinians and Israelis are still killing other in spite of Bush’s “transformation” of the region.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:26 pmI want to see how Bush handles himself when he’s finally out of office. Carter has been a true humanitarian and the epitome of what every former president should be after leaving office: standing for fair elections, caring for the poor, voicing concerns when human rights are violated, Habitat for Humanity, etc. I wouldn’t trust Bush to build me a peanut butter and jelly sandwich properly.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:26 pmComment by agua fiero — June 15, 2006 @ 12:13 pm
Well said!
Carter has a Nobel Peace Prize. The other combined living presidents couldn’t win a door prize.
The neocons are just desperate – so they take one or two mistakes and try to exaggerate them into his entire presidency. When, not one of them can name a valid positive thing Chimp has done during his tenure. It’s about quality of leadership. And bubble boy couldn’t lead a troop of boyscouts on an treasure hunt…
June 15th, 2006 at 12:28 pmJimah Carter – a prince among men
-walked down the street at his own innaguration
Shrub- evil personified
June 15th, 2006 at 12:29 pm-sped down the street in his new blastproof,bullet proof,tinted window, fearfilled FAGWAGON
If all they have to attack is past presidents, and not Clenis, you know these guys have nothing.
They are reduced to creating and revising history while ignoring the truth that Bush, During a War is the nothing more than a Brush Clearing, photo opportunist, lame duck President.
Cheney is running the White House. George is the Cheerleader.
This guy Imus looks sleazy.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:32 pmAre we supposed to think that Imus is a rough tough Montana Cowboy who knows something?
The truth hurts, don’t it?
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Not what Randy believes, but it’s hard to know history when you’re high on Rove’s wacky tabacky.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:32 pm“Kneepads” Snow is a human piece of turd. But we knew that, as did Dubya. That’s how he got the job.
Cheers,
June 15th, 2006 at 12:34 pmI have a question:
Is there any precedent for a white house press sec. to go on a friendly radio show?
June 15th, 2006 at 12:34 pmSo far his transormation appears to me as:
June 15th, 2006 at 12:34 pm-A dumping ground for outdated US military hardware
(to give the Pentagon a reason to build/buy more)
-A proving and testing ground for new weaponry
-A “scorched earth” wasteland to build state of the art mega-military enclaves in
- A buffer zone between “American interests” and China
- A destabilized environment to prevent the unification of Islam
Realistically, the concept of conquering the middle east has always been flawed from the get-go, yet it has never stopped insecure and immature and spiritualy bankrupt megalo-maniacs from trying……………
No memories of Bush Sr. and his fishing expeditions? He was always zooming around off the New England coast in his famous cigarette boat.
No memories of Bush Srs. girlfriend, Jen——, spelled differently than Clinton’s Jen—–. What dupes. The press would seldom mention Srs girlfriend, but on occasion you’d read a small blurb about her in the Post.
Carter still is a wonderful person.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:35 pm#14, Tom in Maine,
You are absolutely right! It is time to stop listening to these idiots who spin around so much, they don’t know what they are saying anymore! Imus, Russert and the Today show are only in it for the money, not the truth or the desire to improve this once great nation. Let’s turn these phonies off!
June 15th, 2006 at 12:35 pmI wouldn’t be so quick to dis the war. 2008 is a LONGGGGG way away. Iraq could be in a much better position by then and this will become a Republican strong point. Todays, good Democrat news can come back tommorrow and be bad.
Outside the Iraq war (which isnt going well currently, but why not still hold out hope), are Economy is great, unemployment in American is almost non existent, the tax cuts have actually increased the toal amount of tax paid by business’ (the tax cut helped our econmy so much, it is now actually help get the government more money, funny how that works).
So currently the democrats have one single issue. Sadly, I still haven’t seen a unified message out of this party. What is the Democrat stance on Iraq anyways? Do they want to Leave IRaq ASAP? Hillary said no, yet Kerry said yes. Could anyone at least explain why leaving Iraq would be a good idea for the global community and America? The big downer of Iraq so far is the financal cost. Luckily, we have only lost 2,500 lives. Not bad for the time we have actually been fighting this war.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:36 pmSo they had to use Carter to spin in the photo-op Fly in?
Meanwhile, in this case, you’ve got the president who’s showing up in Baghdad and talking with the new government.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:38 pm~~~~~~~~~~~
Meanwhile, in this nutcase, we have got this so called ‘president’ who’s showing up in Baghdad, with fake turkeys, landing on ships, mission accomplished signs, flight suits, you got this guy doing nothing more than photo ops and shaking a few hands, taking some pictuers of the his ‘government’ of Baathist murderers.
I don’t know what happened to Imus, he must be drinking that same kool-aid that Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. drink
Maybe he’s just seen the light…
Wasn’t it Don Imus who said that Pat Buchannan had a relative killed at a German Prisoner of War camp… he said that one of Pat’s relatives fell out of a guard house… I believe it was at a White House press dinners.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:38 pmI forgot to mention that the government debt is actually being paid off ahead of schedule which also looks very very good. This is what I want answered. What is the democrat party offering to me as a voter?
1) What exactly is bad right now?
2) What is your specific plan to change what you perceive as going wrong right now and why are you correct?
3) If you think Iraq is going bad like I do, what is your specific plan and why will it benefit me and the global community?
Currently I don’t see a need to change parties. Democrats are currently just complaining about Bush and one single true topic. Are you guys ever going to come out and answer 1-3? Honestly, I want to know.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:41 pmMr. Jimmy Carter
http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/2002/
The Nobel Peace Prize 2002
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2002 to Jimmy Carter, for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development.
During his presidency (1977-1981), Carter’s mediation was a vital contribution to the Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt, in itself a great enough achievement to qualify for the Nobel Peace Prize. At a time when the cold war between East and West was still predominant, he placed renewed emphasis on the place of human rights in international politics.
Through his Carter Center, which celebrates its 20th anniversary in 2002, Carter has since his presidency undertaken very extensive and persevering conflict resolution on several continents. He has shown outstanding commitment to human rights, and has served as an observer at countless elections all over the world. He has worked hard on many fronts to fight tropical diseases and to bring about growth and progress in developing countries. Carter has thus been active in several of the problem areas that have figured prominently in the over one hundred years of Peace Prize history.
In a situation currently marked by threats of the use of power, Carter has stood by the principles that conflicts must as far as possible be resolved through mediation and international co-operation based on international law, respect for human rights, and economic development.
Oslo, 11 October 2002
June 15th, 2006 at 12:41 pmJerad, you’re a troll! We do have a plan. Unfortunately for you, it will not be revealed at this time. Just go away now. I will not respond to you further.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:43 pmJerad,
Why don’t you read about the impact of deficit spending and get back to us all after you’ve actually done some homework.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:45 pmI wouldn’t be so quick to dis the war. 2008 is a LONGGGGG way away. Iraq could be in a much better position by then and this will become a Republican strong point.
[Polishing a Turd]
I guess you missed the 17 bases and the decades long plan to keep 50,000 troops in Iraq. Not to mention we are still in Afghanistan, which BTW, produced a bumper crop of Opium.
It took bush 5 years to creat a huge deadly expensive mess and you think in two years it will be parades and roses?
June 15th, 2006 at 12:45 pmAccording to Republicans, having a bad plan is better than having no plan at all.
Was Iraq this violent before the United States and Great Britain invaded?
Come on George, tell us the truth. You just want all of the oil in the world for your Pioneers to sell to us at $3 a gallon.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:46 pmI forgot to mention that the government debt is actually being paid off ahead of schedule which also looks very very good.
Really? Are you saying the national debt is less than it was last year?
National debt stands at $30,000 for every man, woman, and child in this country. Do you have $30,000 you owe the rest of the world?
June 15th, 2006 at 12:48 pm#50 It doesn’t matter how bad Iraq is come election day. They will kill some terrorist somewhere and call it a great victory.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:49 pmI’m starting to think for every troll who posts here one of us should return the favor over at RedState. This is kind of rediculous (misspell pun intended).
June 15th, 2006 at 12:52 pm# 54
Better steer clear of Redstate for awhile, they’re currently in the midst of deciding important issues…you know, like that Coulter boycott.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:54 pmI like to read redstate when I need a good laxative.
June 15th, 2006 at 12:58 pmHow could you not attack Jimmy Carter. He is going to ruin America with all his diplomacy and carpentry skills. Damn Carter, damn him to Hell.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:01 pmit figures krazny snce you are so full of shit that it has affected your mind.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:02 pmCarter 2008!
June 15th, 2006 at 1:02 pmI thought Redstate deleted posts with intellect?
#55
Yeah – most of them over at RedState say they’re going to buy her book, regardless of whether they agree with everything she says.
I think many of them get off on this notion that Coulter pisses so many “libruls” off. Very perverse.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:06 pmThe big downer of Iraq so far is the financal cost. Luckily, we have only lost 2,500 lives. Not bad for the time we have actually been fighting this war.
Comment by Jerad — June 15, 2006 @ 12:36
Clinton lost how many in Kosovo? Spoken like a true chickenhawk! Enlist, and then talk to us about casualties.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:07 pm#58
ROFL can’t you take a joke man? I would apologize for pushing you buttons, but I am not finding any sympathy for you reddog.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:11 pmNot bad for the time we have actually been fighting this war.
Comment by Jerad — June 15, 2006 @ 12:36
I thought it was “mission accomplished;” you mean we’re STILL at war? You’d better tell the president, ’cause he thinks we’re just mopping up a few dead-enders.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:11 pmDoubt it. A lot of us were saying it was going to be a mess when the whole thing started, and guess what, it is indeed a mess.
Actually, salaries and wages have failed to keep pace with inflation, the bulk of America’s production has moved overseas, and the total national debt of America has virtually doubled. Oh, and lets not forget that one of America’s most important ports has been completely destroyed. Things do not look good for America under Republican rule.
The Democrat leaders are actually disunited and disinterested. Some of them are still okay, but mostly, they need the same boot up the ass as most Republican leaders do.
That said, to answer your question; Vietnam. Leaving Iraq is going to be much like leaving Vietnam, painful, embarrassing, and inevitable, the question is not if you have to do it, its when.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:11 pmMission Accomplished
June 15th, 2006 at 1:12 pmI think many of them get off on this notion that Coulter pisses so many “libruls†off. Very perverse.
They have no alternative, to silence their attack machine, would render them voiceless.
People like Snow, Hannity, Coulter, O’reilly, Rush, Beck, Savage, Drudge, Gibson would effectively be nuetered if they had to discuss bush policy successes without smears.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:15 pmJERAD,
You stated about Iraq: “Luckily, we have only lost 2,500 lives. Not bad for the time we have actually been fighting this war.”
First, tell that to the almost 20.000 US soldiers who have been wounded, many of them missing limbs, or eyesight, or faces, or with permanent brain damage.
Second, “we” haven”t all been fighting the war. I doubt that you have, given your disregard for the lives and limbs of our troops. I can’t imagine any real soldier making such a fatuous comment. It’s something I would expect to hear from that swinish Rush Limbaugh.
Third, you need to wake the hell up. Your comments about the national debt are based on flawed analysis by the Whitehouse and their fuzzy math.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:20 pmLet’s not forget, and let’s be sure to remind the Bush pumpers, that Bush Sr and members of Reagan’s camp went to Iran to negotiate HOLDING those hostages until after the election.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:21 pmLook at PRESIDENT Jimmy Carters life. Look at President Bushs life. Draw your own conclusions about integrity and character. I have
June 15th, 2006 at 1:22 pmThis is a new low for the White House. Having an official spokesperson act like the far right talking head – oh wait. Tony Snow is a far right talking head.
Jimmy Carter is a true Christian who doesn’t hold his nose over controversial issues. Instead, he teaches a Sunday School class at his church and anyone, that’s ANYONE, in the nation
June 15th, 2006 at 1:26 pm(or world) can come and sit in.
#10 I guess the heartland doesn’t respect that. They only respect a President willing to kill a large number of people.
Comment by redneck hick — June 15, 2006 @ 12:01 pm
This is a bit off-topic but is anyone else as sick as I am of the term “Heartland”? Everytime I hear it all I can think of are obese people eating a lot of pork products while shopping at Walmart. Frankly it’s like the rest of us don’t matter, you know like the majority of the population who aren’t blessed enough to live in a racist haven like Mississippi and who also, you know, make up the vast majority of the tax base so all of these ‘oh so important’ Heartlanders can send their kids to school, pay for their roads and have someone to hurl insults at because we’re morally backrupt.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:31 pmComment by Randy
June 15th, 2006 at 1:31 pmYeah, sure. Ask Centroamerica, bozo.
Tony Snow is a liar. Anyone who spent 5 minutes listening to his radio show knows that. No surprise here.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:32 pmdefending carter can’t be easy
June 15th, 2006 at 1:33 pmAmy, perhaps you didn’t read any of the previous posts. Defending Carter is much easier than defending Bush. Go ahead, read through all of the posts.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:35 pmI love how Tony Snow is now using Bush’s excuse for his low poll numbers in his press briefing today. Essentially blaming ‘the tv screens’ for the absolute and enormous mess in Iraq Bush has created.
Bush always says, ‘Ah know wut people er seein’ on their tv screens. Ah know that the tairsts know that when they blow sum’pn up, it’s gonna make it on yer tv screen’.
Tony Snow just said that ‘I understand why Americans aren’t happy about the war.. because they keep seeing tv images of the violence and they want it to stop.’
WTF? Seriously, WTF? We would somehow want it to continue if we didn’t know how bad it was??
Is he/are they saying that this war would be going along just fine if Americans didn’t f’ing know about it ? ? ? ? ?
Would there be less bloodshed, bombings and chaos if Americans didn’t see it ? ? ?
I am soooooooooo tired of the inference that it is still somehow the media who is to blame for Bush’s absolute mess in Iraq. They REFUSE to take responsibility or be held accountable for ANYTHING that is going wrong over there…which essentially EVERYTHING.
So, really what they are saying is that the reason Bush’s poll numbers are so low, especially on the war, is because of 2 reasons:
1) The news who reports the events in Iraq
and
2) The American people who keep watching those
news reports
Everyone should be absolutely outraged about this! This is exactly what Bush et al are saying right between the lines…loud and clear. We, the American people are somehow to blame!
If tv screens, news stations and the American viewing audience were taken out of the equation, then every monumental f*ck up Bush has ever made from the very, very beginning would NEVER EVER HAVE HAPPENED!
The war is a mess not because of Bush’s dishonesty and incompetence, it’s really because we are a bunch of busy bodies.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:36 pm# 74
Not only am I sick of the term ‘heartland’ but everytime I see ‘Homeland’ Security, I think of the SS and stormtroopers.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:36 pmComment by Jerad
Comment by Randy
Are these guys for real?
June 15th, 2006 at 1:38 pmModerated by Admin
June 15th, 2006 at 1:40 pm#77 – Actually, it’s much easier to defend Fmr. Pres. Carter than it is to defend Pres. Bush.
By the way, why do you hate the office of President so much that you refuse to use the title properly?
June 15th, 2006 at 1:40 pmYou know why they call it the “heartland”? Because nobody there has any brains.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:41 pmJerad – You are kidding about the deficit/debt right? You do realize that reducing the deficit only decreases the RATE at which the amount of money we owe the world is increasing. It does nothing to repay the debt, nor does it stop the debt from increasing. Do you not have a credit card? If you make minimum payments, you never get out of debt. Unfortunately, the USA can’t exactly file for bankruptcy, like the average citizen. We could have started making payments on the debt after Clinton left office with a surplus (I’d like to see W return to a surplus), but the rich got greedy and wanted that money for themselves. So how do we reduce the deficit after the war and greedy tax breaks? Why we cut social programs and disaster rebuilding funds, of course! Congratulations, conservatives. I thought you were mostly a Christian party? WWJD and all that crap? Do as we say and not as we do, huh?
Also, if you want to know a particular Democrat’s stand on an issue, why don’t you visit their web-site? Why does it have to be force-fed to you? It’s not like the conservative media is going to report actual news to you. (BTW, I think we all need to start refering the media that way, just as Repugs have been calling it the “liberal media” for so many decades. It seems to have paid off for them.)
Lastly, why do ALL Democrats have to be onboard for the exact same plan? Vote for the candidate in your district whose views you agree with most. Why does the entire party have to be in lock-step? I don’t agree with all Democrats and I wouldn’t want us to all be robots like the Repugs. I vote for the candidate that most closely matches my views. Shocking, isn’t it?
Do a little research.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:41 pmcarter is a moron. does that get it done for ya?
June 15th, 2006 at 1:43 pm# 82
I don’t think anyone cares enough to change your mind. You’ve gone to a lot of trouble to develop your views of Carter based on lies and distortions.
As for me personally, I think conservatives living in ignorance is pretty damn funny – so I would never try to change your mind.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:44 pm#85 – Good point!
It’s the whole lie about “It’s your tax dollars!” Those tax dollars ceased to be “ours” when Pres. Reagan, Pres. Bush (Sr.) and Pres. Clinton ran up the national credit card.
Leave it to the neo-cons in office to hate America so much they’d rather run us out of being a sovereign nation and into selling ourselves to foreign nations rather than pay of the debt that came with Pres. Reagan and his policies.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:44 pm[moderated by admin.]
June 15th, 2006 at 1:45 pmVote for the candidate in your district whose views you agree with most.
Correction – vote for the non-incumbant whose views you most agree with.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:45 pm#11
No, that’s why I said most of the time. Stupid!
June 15th, 2006 at 1:46 pm#87 – Sure, why not.
And Pres. Bush is a liar, an imbicile, and a tool of anti-American pro-corporate anti-”average joe citizen” special interests.
I’m sure that “that gets it done for ya” as well.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:48 pm[moderated by admin.]
June 15th, 2006 at 1:49 pmI think Jimmy Carter has got to be one of the most UNDERRATED presidents ever (at least in the last 100 years). Of course conservatives lash out at him and attack him, but even some liberals distance themselves from him because they believe some of the FUD and false “history” of his presidency. Did he have problems that he could have resolved better? Yes. Is there a single president that does not apply to? No! I can’t think of a single politician that is “perfect” in all situations. But making up falsehoods about Mr. Carter’s presidency (such as the unemployment rate FUD — it’s clear it went DOWN during his presidency) is just ridiculous!
Liberals need to stand up for their heros and not just be in-the-closet fans of them. Was Reagan perfect (from the perspective of what he did for his base)? No. He accomplished a lot for them, but he was not perfect. He had PLENTY of controversy too. But the Repugs worship him like there was nothing he could do wrong. He was perfect, in their eyes.
I’m not saying liberals should look at Carter with that thick of rose-colored glasses, but they certainly should not be afraidto defend him and say that, yes, they think he was, overall, an excellent president.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:50 pmbring it on little ones. good day for america = a bad day for lefty kooks
June 15th, 2006 at 1:51 pmYou guys just keep trying is weasel around the question. I am not a republican. For the record, I am not currently happy with Iraq like most. I completely agree that it is a waste of time to have the Senate discuss Flag burning and Gay marriage since they are really not important issues right now. The problem is that I haven’t heard a good solid plan for the FUTURE from either side of the aisle. Everytime I post, all I hear is all the mistakes Bush made. That doesn’t really change people’s hearts and minds when it comes to voting. They want to know what your plan is. Besides, Bush is running next election anyways.
I, like most Americans, see that the economy is doing very well right now. Unemployment is extremely low. While we as a society always want better education, America already pays more for Education and then any country. We pay more then any country in the history of mankind right now. Just saying you want more money won’t cut it. Most Americans would be in favor of more cash for education IF we know what the plan is. What specifically are you going to do with the extra money your taking from me? I really want to vote Democrat next election, but am still trying to find a reason. I can’t see myself voting for a Republican either. I say it is time for a third party that isn’t an extreme, but more of a middle america to the people type party.
Again, without the “I hate Bush talk”, what is the Democratic plan? I hear over and over that Bloggers have the plan, but that is meaningless. The leaders of a party are the true factor. So, please, without the hate, what is the plan that Democrats have?
June 15th, 2006 at 1:52 pmBring what on?
You’ve already lost.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:54 pmcarter could still run for 1 more term. why dont you nominate him?
June 15th, 2006 at 1:54 pm#95 – Now, is that any way to talk about Pres. Bush?
You’re momma should have taught you some manners, missy.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:55 pm99 they dont have a plan. the geeks on this site dont even vote.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:56 pmThat’s cute Jerad, the way you play the victim after lying your ass off.
You think perhaps the way you were distorting Carter’s record has anything to do with how you’re perceived?
June 15th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#101 – So could Fmr. Pres. Bush (Sr.), why did you desert him? Or does he have too many morals and ethics for your taste?
June 15th, 2006 at 1:56 pm#62
Since you brought up Clinton, where were you guys when he launched his illegal war in Kosovo and Bosnia?
June 15th, 2006 at 1:57 pm[moderated by admin.]
June 15th, 2006 at 1:58 pm#103 – Whatever helps you sleep at night, little missy. I’m sure you’ll remember that when you hear how the Republicans lose seats this coming November 8th.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:58 pmJerad – Unemployment is “extremely” low? I’d hardly say extremely, but I digress.
Want an alternate Iraq plan? I say we pull out and redeploy to neighboring countries we are on good relations with. We help get Afgahnistan back on the right track (I still think there is hope there) and assist Iraq from a humanitarian perspective, but we STOP FIGHTING them.
There’s a plan from a Democrat (me). Happy?
Want more plans? Go to http://www.democrats.org. That’s the DNC’s website. They have plans out the wazoo. Want more plans? Go to individual politicians’ websites. They ALL HAVE ONE. And nearly all have plans. Asking us to somehow change how the conservative media reports its news to show you each Democrat’s individual Iraq plan that they support just ain’t gonna happen. Unfortunately, you need to do the research on your own. You sound like a smart guy, so use your noggin and do the independent research. I encourage you to research Republican websites as well to contrast the views and make an informed decision.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:58 pm99 they dont have a plan. the geeks on this site dont even vote.
Comment by amy — June 15, 2006 @ 1:56 pm
I voted but my vote was deleted by corrupt Republican election officials.
June 15th, 2006 at 1:59 pm#101 – I’d love to.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:00 pm#103 – Just keep thinking that if it helps you sleep at night.
lets get a carter for president grassroots thing going right here.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:00 pmyour’e poor momma shoula had an abortion
Comment by amy — June 15, 2006 @ 1:58 pm
I’m telling your minister you said that. While we’re on the topic on who should have been aborted, how many uneducated and ill-informed little crackers are you rearing right now?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:01 pm#112
Sure, if you’ll make Hannity your candidate.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:02 pmlibs have never lost an election. they were all stolen
June 15th, 2006 at 2:03 pmcarter! carter! carter! c’mon everybody high 5’s
June 15th, 2006 at 2:04 pmGod loves Jimah Carter, he loves the carpenter, the woodworker, the humanitarian, the centered spiritual human being, the generous giver, the selfless man, the fair just man, the champion of the poor.
God sent us Dubya to illustate the ways of the evil self-righteous false prophet.
Thank you for your wisdom God…. to all who see
June 15th, 2006 at 2:06 pmAmy,
It doesn’t matter how you feel about Carter. Snow lied.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:06 pmnobody argued about carter’s landslide defeat. they could’nt get him outta there fast enough
June 15th, 2006 at 2:07 pm#107 – Well, since Little Miss Amy has gone round the bend and gotten drunk of all the winger kool-aide, we can just write her off as Ms. Krazy Kookie-kook from the hicksville of kookies.
I guess she cannot come up with a good reason for her hate for the office of President, nor why her political party has become the most financially irresponsible in the world.
#99 – Jared, the rational national plan of the Democrats starts with the following:
1 – Roll back the tax cuts on the top 1% until we return to surplus budgets and pay down our debt before foreign nations control our country.
2 – Call for participation by the UN and foreign nations to provide security forces in Iraq until they can properly train their forces. When we do it alone, we’re “nation building”.
3 – Establish metrics on standing up the Iraqi military for their national defense. if we leave them like we did in Afghanistan, we’re just as bad as the USSR.
4 – Move forces back to Afghanistan and get them on their feet, using the same steps as #2 & #3. It requires multi-nation support for this job to be done, not just the “coalition of the billing”.
5 – Get our financial house in order. Across the board cuts on all programs and halt all no-bid contracts until we cn find out where the millions of dollars have been wasted.
This is just a beginning, and something that Republicans have refused to do ever since they became a one-party system on the federal level.
More to come, but I don’t want to take away from giving the ultra-radical right-wingers the red-a$$ over their immature and inane comments. ;-)
June 15th, 2006 at 2:08 pmIt’s a shame Amy isn’t any more smarter then ’she’ appears.
Let’s run Carter for President because the right wing smeared him – and the libs are pointing out how distorted the republican view of him is.
Makes sense, I guess, if you’re a republican.
Carter is 83 years old, and doubtful if he could manage the stress level that the Presidency would require.
It’s nice tho to know there are people as lame as you on here tho.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:09 pmi love him too. best thing that ever happened to the GOP was jimah. he da man!!
June 15th, 2006 at 2:10 pmWhat a prick.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:11 pmCarter is a man of integrity and humanity. Bush is a liar and a torturer.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:11 pmamy is a living example of the horrors of living partial birth abortion. Must have squished a lbit of brains out huh?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:12 pm#119 – Same with Pres. Bush (Sr). Oh, my pardon! I shouldn’t rub your nose in your partisan piles!
June 15th, 2006 at 2:12 pmamy
Let me ask you something…
What does the word Reaganomics mean?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:13 pmAnother question:
What was the Watergate scandal?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:15 pmcarter is a jealous old fool. his opinions along with the ones on this site everday, are why the libs cannot win elections.
i tune in here everyday to make sure none of that is changing.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:16 pmI guess it’s time to bash Jimmy. Jimmy appears to be a push over, so they easy target him. When in reality Jimmy Carter stands for honor and integrity and is as steady as the Washington Monument. A gentleman indeed! I can’t say so much for these two tele/radio hacks. I just can’t see what either of them have ever done in their lives that has helped anybody. One sells t-shirts and the other spues the agenda of the right. What accomplishments and what absurd people.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:17 pmI guarantee Jimmy will pay it no mind.
carter is a jealous old fool. his opinions along with the ones on this site everday, are why the libs cannot win elections.
i tune in here everyday to make sure none of that is changing.
Comment by amy
Correction. Carter is a spiteful and malignant cancer on America’s body politic. Any number of past Presidents with the exception of the losers we’ve had for the past twenty years would have hung Carter for treason. Carter is the single largest reason we are fighting in the Middle East and will soon be irradiating Persia.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:20 pmYou tune in because you’re a troll, who can’t function normally.
What exactly would Carter be jealous of? He served his country, was a nuclear engineer, President, won a nobel prize, and he’s lived a Christian life of selfless giving.
You, on the other hand are a forum troll.
LOL, it just struck me how funny that is.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:20 pmDS:
1 – Roll back the tax cuts on the top 1% until we return to surplus budgets and pay down our debt before foreign nations control our country.
Rolling back the tax cuts will actually decrease revenues. Check your facts, tax revenues have actually gone up since cuts were made. I would propose spending less. Cut out unnecessary programs and not be partison about it.
2 – Call for participation by the UN and foreign nations to provide security forces in Iraq until they can properly train their forces. When we do it alone, we’re “nation buildingâ€.
What? Are you talking about the same organization that ran the Food for Oil program? Will you please wake up, there are other nations with troops in Iraq.
3 – Establish metrics on standing up the Iraqi military for their national defense. if we leave them like we did in Afghanistan, we’re just as bad as the USSR.
Did anyone on the right say we were leaving before the job was done? I must have missed that memo.
4 – Move forces back to Afghanistan and get them on their feet, using the same steps as #2 & #3. It requires multi-nation support for this job to be done, not just the “coalition of the billingâ€.
Oh, you must be referring to the current efforts already underway. I believe there is a major initiative involving 10,000 troops of which about 2500 are US. (Not all of our forces in Afghanistan)
5 – Get our financial house in order. Across the board cuts on all programs and halt all no-bid contracts until we cn find out where the millions of dollars have been wasted.
What programs are you cutting? No-bid contracts on what?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:21 pm#130, i agree. dont forgot it was me who tried to get the carter for president grassroots thing going. no support from the chior. i’m still up for that if anybody wants to get in.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:21 pmcarter is a jealous old fool.
Jealous of what? A administration with 29% approval?
A national debt which has grown by nearly 100% since Bush came to power?
A national disaster on the scale of Katrina?
Bush’s handling of Katrina?
Bush’s legacy being of taking a unified nation with the world behind it after 9/11 and pissing all of that away in Iraq?
Bush’s legacy of undermining enviromental standards?
Bush’s legacy of destroying social security and much of the New Deal?
Tell me amy, what is Carter jealous of?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:21 pm#129 – Don’t worry, we’ll pat you on the back come November 8th, when you lose seats. I’m sure it will destroy your perfect little winger universe when the people decide they’ve had enough of the Republican calumny and mendacity.
By the way, sweetie, just so you don’t have to run to a dictionary, calumny and mendacity mean “lies”.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:22 pmOh my god, that f**king burns me up. What a bunch of punks. I swear all these pundits, shock jocks, and administration men are pushing a lot of buttons. One day somebody’s just gonna go right up to them an pucnh ‘em on the mouth.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:24 pmExplain to me how increasing taxes on only the ultra-wealthy decreases tax revenue? No, I seriously want to hear how this is possible. It will make my day and fill it with great laughter!
June 15th, 2006 at 2:26 pmdv909
If someone did that, well, you can bet they would go crying to their mommies/ the public. Seriously, they would never, ever stop talking about it. They would whine and whinge about violent leftwing radicals until the sun burned black.
This is because ultimately, the primary thing driving the Rightwing is that they are wussies.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:28 pmAmy. Can you make a comment that takes more than 2 lines?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:29 pm[moderated by admin.]
June 15th, 2006 at 2:30 pm#140. omg. look at 134.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:31 pm[...] Tony Snow Attacks President Carter. first, why is the white house press secretary on don imus’ show? second, how can this whitehouse say Carter used to sneak off to fish at Camp David during a crisis? A fucking hurricane was approaching a city below sea-level and the entire administration stayed on vacation. i feel like i’m taking crazy pills! [...]
June 15th, 2006 at 2:31 pmwhat do you dive a shit for little juan? you can’t count pass two anyway
June 15th, 2006 at 2:33 pmamy
I would argue with your points, but you seem tragically lacking in any. Please, add something to the discussion if you feel so interested in it.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:33 pmLet’s just blame Andrew Jackson for Katrina, the Iraq war, oil prices 9/11, the debt.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:34 pmNo memories of Bush Sr. and his fishing expeditions? He was always zooming around off the New England coast in his famous cigarette boat.
No memories of Bush Srs. girlfriend, Jen——, spelled differently than Clinton’s Jen—–. What dupes. The press would seldom mention Srs girlfriend, but on occasion you’d read a small blurb about her in the Post.
Carter still is a wonderful person.
Comment by Joey Wonder — June 15, 2006 @ 12:35 pm
About that boat…During the first Gulf War I remember Bush Sr. taking a short break from riding around in it and telling the American people they needed to conserve gas. It was then pointed out that his boat used 25 gallons of fuel per hour.
About his girlfriend…I recall a brief news clip in our paper back in ‘92 that the press had decided against reporting about her…they didn’t want to upset Barbara.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:35 pmmichael. that’s funny. the debt was only $33,733.05 when AJ was pres.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:37 pmSince you brought up Clinton, where were you guys when he launched his illegal war in Kosovo and Bosnia?
Comment by Randy
Where were your songs of praise when he removed a brutal dicataor from power, stopped a genocide in progress, drove al Qaeda out of their safe haven, and stood up a functioning democracy without losing a single American soldier?
Exactly what Bush thinks he’s doing now, isn’t it?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:38 pm#120 Democrat Blogger
Thank you for a well thought out post. Now “if” that is the plan, then I am in favor of the democrats. I am a huge supporter of cuts across the board. My biggest beef with Republicans is that they haven’t done enough cutting. Like you said, Cuts across the board for all programs. As far as rolling back tax cuts, I am not opposed, but you would have to show me how that will increase tax revenue. Currently, the tax cut has actually increased tax revenue overall due to the stimulation it gave the economy. Again, I am not saying I disagree, but I need to see how that will actually increase tax revenue in the long run. The rest of your points I like.
Calling on other nations (UN) to help in Iraq is a must. I wouldn’t leave first and then ask for help. I would stay and demand shifting the mission into a UN one since leaving would just further destablize Iraq and give the UN an even tougher job.
Anyways, I truly hope your Democrat leaders in the Senate, House, and whoever runs for president have sucha consise message.
While I know it will happen, I wish both parties wouldn’t put so much stock in the “social” issues like Gay marriage and abortion. A ban on gay marriage is just retarded. Conservatives talking about being anit abortion is pointless. They don’t do anything but talk about it during campaigns. They never actually act on and try to ban it anyways so it is a pointless issue in my mind. Death penatly is another issue that is pointless. I am 100% against the death penalty but it doesnt matter since it won’t change (at least not currently, but maybe in 25+ years :) ).
Anyways, thanks for a solid post. I will do some research and see if the Leaders of your party are with you on it.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:39 pmno prob. thanks for losing all the elections
June 15th, 2006 at 2:40 pmWhile all the moonbats wax nostalgic over the “good ‘ol” days of “good ‘ol Jimmeh”, I can’t help but notice that you can’t teach an old June bug new tricks. The Dem Party loses elections because they fail to put a message of hope, strength, and optimism out there – just like Mr. Jimmeh.
A few of you winged ones will flap around noting the “exploitation”of 9/11 by Repubs – but bringing to mind a fact is NOT exploiting a fear. It’s excercising caution. (And, merciful God, let’s hope and pray we’ll thwart any other attacks diligently.) Dems are the group who wanted their PC airport search policy implemented. (A reasonable Dem friend whose parents were Sicilian told me he did not feel threatened having an extra security search “of people who look like me”. I guess when you realize terrorists have not started recruiting Grandma, the PC garbage will diminish…)
To Mr. Jimmehs’ credit – he’s a much better former President than he EVER was President. (Even Fidel and Hugo might agree with that.) Now if he would just confine himself to his field of expertise: building houses for the poor, infesting young minds in college, reminiscing about the old days on the peanut plantation…..
June 15th, 2006 at 2:40 pm#133 – “Rolling back the tax cuts will actually decrease revenues. Check your facts, tax revenues have actually gone up since cuts were made. ”
You couldn’t be more wrong. Tax revenues decreased in their percentage of GDP immediately after the taxes were enacted. The only reason the increase is the GDP has increased due to more people in the US in the workforce. Despite the higher rate of unemployment that Pres. Bush has ushered in since his failed policies, there are still more people working in toto.
“I would propose spending less. Cut out unnecessary programs and not be partison about it.”
I agree with you here. We could get rid of entire programs, but I’m sure we would disagree on which ones are expendable. Don’t forget, Pres. Bush increased spending and deficits and ‘discretionary spending” ever since he’s been in office.
2 – “What? Are you talking about the same organization that ran the Food for Oil program? Will you please wake up, there are other nations with troops in Iraq.”
The Oil for Food program was only one are where there were problems. Guess what? Halliburton was one of the companies that were doing major work in Iraq during the 90’s when they were disallowed by law. Seems the laws don’t apply to them, does it?
Oh, lets not forget all thos other nations that have provided underwhelming support:
Albania had ~120 troops in Iraq.
The Czech Republic had ~90 troops in Iraq
Japan had ~~600 ground self defense forces in Iraq
El Savalador still had 380 troops in Iraq
Netherlands still had 4 troops in Iraq
Australia had about 750 troops in Iraq
Slovakia had a 100-soldier engineering unit serving with the Multinational Division Central South, based in Hillah, Iraq
Netherlands had 13 military personnel for the NATO Training Mission Iraq (NTM-I) and 4 troops in the Irak region for SFIR
S. Korea’s contingent of troops to Iraq stood at a strength of 3,300
Now, how about you compare that to the number of forces that helpes us in Gunf War 1? I’m sure you’ll be a bit humbeled by the major disparity in troop numbers.
3 – “Did anyone on the right say we were leaving before the job was done? I must have missed that memo.”
No, you just missed the memo that said Pres. Bush has no intention of ever leaving Iraq at all. I’m sure you’re aware of the permenant US military bases we’re forcing the Iraqi people to allow on thier soil.
4 – “Oh, you must be referring to the current efforts already underway. I believe there is a major initiative involving 10,000 troops of which about 2500 are US. (Not all of our forces in Afghanistan)”
True. We just decided to “cut & run” in Afghanistan before we “got the job done” and now we’re having to go back and clean up the Taliban that we didn’t get rid of correctly the first time. D’oh!
5 – “What programs are you cutting? No-bid contracts on what?”
How about all the schools “we†built that have no working bathrooms? Or the ones that “we†built that have no clean running water? Or the hospitals “we†built that have no clean operating rooms? It’s not that hard to hermetically seal an operating room. I did it when I ran a CAT-5 cable into a podiatrist’s office in Lubbock.
I hate to ruin your rose-colored glasses view of American companies, but we’re not the God’s you make us out to be. We’ve got over a billion dollars in Iraqi funds that cannot be accounted for. We’ve got “contractors” in Iraq that are paid in cash with no paperwork on what they were supposed to have accomplished.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:40 pmcry some more for mama
June 15th, 2006 at 2:42 pmP.S. – Those “vaca”s of Bush SHOULD really annoy you – him being incommunicado and all…Oh, he’s working?? – - but in a different place???? And he is briefed daily??? (The reporters just hate Midland cause it’s a little slow and the weather isn’t great.) No wonder monnbats are confused….
June 15th, 2006 at 2:43 pmAs far as rolling back tax cuts, I am not opposed, but you would have to show me how that will increase tax revenue.
Easily done. Look at tax revenue increases after every tax rate increase.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:44 pm#155 – “The only reason the increase is the GDP has increased due to more people in the US in the workforce.” – DemSOLD
****(applause – applause!!!) Congrats DemSOLD – more people working = more people paying taxes!!!! Who knew?? I always knew Dems hated “working stiffs” despite their protestation that they are for the “little guy”. No wonder tax cuts pi$$ you off $o much – more people working is NOT good for the Dems and Progs who love people beholdin’ to them….What a sick policy…..
June 15th, 2006 at 2:49 pm#151 – “Calling on other nations (UN) to help in Iraq is a must. I wouldn’t leave first and then ask for help. I would stay and demand shifting the mission into a UN one since leaving would just further destablize Iraq and give the UN an even tougher job.”
I agree. We “broke” Iraq, and if we leave before we “fix” it, we’re just one big major failure. we “broke” Afghanistan, and didn’t stick around long enough to “git er done”, and now we have to go back and fix the problems we left behind.
I just would like to see the job done right the first time, and for the UN to provide help so the terrorists that we allowed to get into Iraq don’t have US soldiers to target. It makes us look as incompetent as a nation.
As for the tax revenue, go look at Pres. Clinton’s budgets. His higher taxes on the top 1% brought higher revenues. When Pres. Bush lowered the taxes on the top 1%, revenues decreased, and slowly increased as more people entered the workforce.
Pres. Clinton had 150 million people in the US when he entered office. Pres. Bush had 190 million people in the US when he entered office. Despite the higher unemployment under Pres. Bush, there are still more people over all working in the national economy. As much as I’d like to have lower taxes all over the place, we have to pay for our past as well as our current and put aside for the future. It’s only sound fiscal policy. Don’t forget, Pres. Clinton had a surplus which was eventually going to go towards paying off our massive debt. Pres. Bush has done nothing towards paying off our national debt, he’s only increased our peendance on foreign countries to support his “borrow and squander’ policies.
I hope our Democratic leaders can fix the problems that the Republicans have put us in. Good luck with your research!
June 15th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#160 – Oh, good for you! You “spun” that to make it seem as if you’re republicans are doing a good job!
I hate to break it to you, sweetie, but the population of the US is constantly increasing. We have higher unemployment since Pres. Bush was selected, but we still have more jobs in total than we did in the 90’s, or else we’d have unemployment in the upper teens/lower twenties.
Something you forgot to mention is that the average wage has decreased since 2000. Hmm. I wonder why you decided to ignore that particular fact? Could it be it wasn’t in your favor?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:54 pmAmerica already pays more for Education and then any country. We pay more then any country in the history of mankind right now.
Comment by Jerad — June 15, 2006 @ 1:52 pm
Well, America certainly wasted it on you. Damn, boy, learn the difference between “than” and “then.”
June 15th, 2006 at 2:57 pmTell you what though, reading this thread, I must admit to having gained a certain amount of respect for Jerad.
amy on the other hand, exemplifies everything that is wrong with the right. amy, when are you finally going to post anything resembling an argument?
June 15th, 2006 at 2:57 pmTo cut spending on programs across the board:
I would propose a 25%-35% cut on every single program across the board to start. Then have the congress go through all programs and simply cut the ones that are truly needed. We need to get government back to what it was meant for, protecting of from danger. Social programs should be minimal to non existent at the Federal Level in my opinion. While I understand that isn’t possible due to politics on both sides, if the Democrats could get us closer to what government was meant for, I would would support them 100%.
Anyone who comes into Washington and starts new programs and adds money to old ones should be more then voted out of office. It should be a crime.
I would go further to say that we need a new law that forces the federal government to let us vote for any tax increase. Furthermore, any law maker that would want to create or add more then 1million dollars to a new program or existing one would also require the people to vote on it. Make it simple, every single person 18+ gets a vote. Tally all the votes. If we the people want the tax increase or the new program spending, we get the say. God, that plan just got me excited. It would be euphoric to have such laws.
June 15th, 2006 at 2:57 pmI can’t see myself voting for a Republican either.
Comment by Jerad — June 15, 2006 @ 1:52 pm
What? After lecturing us on the excellent position this country is in after 5+ years of total Republican rule?
Surely you jest.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:01 pm#158 and others
Lowering tax rates increases tax revenues. Get over it.
http://www.hoboes.com/Mimsy/?ART=429
June 15th, 2006 at 3:03 pmAnd yes, cutting military spending would be required as it is a program just like anything else.
Back to the Tax issue:
Tax cuts in the short run will always decrease tax revenue. I just question if they benefit us in the long run (note I said questions, as I am not sure). In my mind, when you decrease taxes on someone, they take that money and invest it in something whether its a new car, the stock market, or simply expand their personal business. Regardless, all those things create jobs, and we all know that 1 more worker is one more tax payer. Or am I wrong?
What if we simply cut all income taxes and went with a 30% sales tax on everything you buy except needed items like food, etc.? Just curious what you guys think as I have heard this brought up before. For the life of me, I cannot see what the positive or negative impact would be. I could see that people would buy less “stuff” and save their money instead. While that may be good for the individual, it sounds horrible for the economy. I don’t know, just shooting out idea’s.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:07 pmMs Amy, please don’t agree with me unless you would defend the admirable Jimmy Carter. Why don’t your read my post (130) again before you just start to babble like a thoughless republican. Wake up bitch! signed: theswan
June 15th, 2006 at 3:11 pmswan your post wasn’t worth reading the 1st time. now go get your shine box
June 15th, 2006 at 3:22 pmPutting the Tax rate at 0% would give us no tax revenue which is obvious. Putting it at 100% would also give us 0 tax revenue which is obvious. For starters, we could discuss what the optimum tax rate would be to give us optimum tax revenue (which is fine in theory).
But what about this idea (note I may be wrong or misguided but I have always assumed this).
Lets say that 40% tax rate is optimum for maximum tax revenue. What if we dropped it to 30%? For starters, it would let people have more money to spend themselves. More money to spend means a larger economy regardless of how you look at it. Now true tax revenue is certainly still going to decrease, BUT…. The increase in the economy would add more jobs. More people with jobs means less welfare, etc.
Basically, the tax cut would be like a welfare program except we wouldn’t need to rely on curupt washington politicains, we would simply rely on the economy. Seems like a Win-Win to me. So when people say that tax cuts pay for themselves, there seems to be some truth to it as tax cuts decrease the need and amount of money for many social programs like welfare, etc. Am I not looking at this correctly?
June 15th, 2006 at 3:22 pm#171 – Actually, you make some very good suggestions!
While I could debate further on this, I’ll leave well enough alone. i’ve got to get back to work. ;-)
Glad to find someone who’s interested in debate and not flame-posting!
June 15th, 2006 at 3:24 pmYour graph is very misleading as Bush’s Tax cut happened during September 11th. Of course the economy would take a dive after a massive terrorist attack and global uncertainty. But like I said, in my previous post, if our only goal is to maximise tax revenue (which I think is wrong) we need to find that perfect tax rate. If we had a 100% tax rate and then gave a “tax cut” to a 50% tax rate, we would be increasing tax revenue in a HUGE way. By that example, it is obvious that closing our eyes and simply increasing taxes may not always be the correct path. Of course decreasing taxes may not be always correct either (my post #177 explains it), but seems to have added value.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:27 pmJerad
There are things which are worth funding. Public roads for example, if your roads fall apart you have a real problem within your country. You can’t cut everything all at once, I mean look at what happened in New Orleans after the levy funding got cut.
You can’t cut funding to your educational sector because do you realise bad a situation you can end up with if your children are uneducated? Try coming to South Africa some time, we have a steadily growing literacy rate, but at the moment? Those who can’t read, can’t work, and now we have a huge crime problem. South Africa is an extreme example, but don’t underestimate how vital teachers are to your economy.
You need to spend the money, but you need to spend it effectively and with a minimum of waste. You need to cut spending on pork, but not on things which you absolutely need. You need somebody in government, to develop a sense of priorities.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:30 pmIn any case, apparently it’s now acceptable for a sitting White House Press Secretary to publicly level ad hominem attacks against a former President of the United States.
If you haven’t noticed Carter. Clinton and Gore have been attacking a sitting US president…even from other countries…for years! Not only virtually unheard of but also shows how bitter, angry and classless dems are. You can dish it out, but how quickly offended you are when it comes back at you. Those in glass houses shouldn’t be throwing stones.
But Carter was a puzzy anyway. Remember the pictures of him fighting off a killer swamp rabbit? Pathetic.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:31 pmpresident Carter has worked hard led an exemplary christian life and is a man of integrity.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:31 pmpresident Bush does not match up well in this regard.
#164, jared is just one of these poor idiot’s secret identities(probably you) staging an argument, then pretending to win it, and fall in love with the libs. its hilarious. i love it.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:31 pmpresident Carter has worked hard led an exemplary christian life and is a man of integrity.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:31 pmpresident Bush does not match up as well in this regard.
If only there were a way that we could replace Bush with Carter today. I might actually start believing in God and our country again. These criminals in the Bush administration have no souls.
Give us back our country you pigs! And for Christ sake, get some class for once. Just once! Give us just one day off from the assenine remarks, the utterly stupid drivel you feed us as if we can’t think for ourselves.
How proud your parents must be, Tony Snow, to see that you make your living spreading outright lies and venomous hatred. When I was a kid, I told my parents “When I grow up, I want to be a fireman.”
Did you tell your folks “When I grow up, I want to be a professional a-hole?”
Thanks a lot.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:35 pmNo, this isn’t a comment from a Bush hating angry leftoid blog although it sure sounds like a leftoid praying for a US defeat in Iraq.
http://www.lileks.com/screedblog/06/061506.html
(Captured document #2323J)
From under the desk of Abu Hamza al-Muhajer, Al Qaeda’s #1 man in Iraq as of 14:41 this afternoon
Finally, patience is our ally. We need not defeat the Americans, only outlast them. Have they not abandoned every battlefield they ever entered? Besides Germany, Japan, Korea, Kosovo and Afghanistan, of course. But just as they left Somalia when their “Democrats†took power, so will they leave Iraq when the criminal Zionist Bush regime is replaced by a slightly less criminal, albeit equally Zionist, Democratic regime. The Democrats wish to quit the war and return to their important issues, such as permitting men to marry, have a child with the cloning of cells, and then abort it. Such a people cannot fight; they can only beseech the United Nations to send Danes to frown from great distances. And I need not remind you that no one was ever killed by a 226 kilogram laser-guided Dane.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:37 pm185, there is a way to replace bush with carter — nominate him. matter of fact you coulda done it every 4 yrs since he was obliterated in 80. why didn’t you? well……your stupid but not that stupid
June 15th, 2006 at 3:40 pm“your stupid but not that stupid”
That’s “you’re,” pumpkin.
Stupid is as stupid writes.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:41 pmthe mighty one has got her shit together
June 15th, 2006 at 3:42 pmdamn! you got me becker the pecker. good one dude.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:44 pm“becker the pecker”
Ah, memories of … well, I was going to say “high school” but really that is more like grade school.
Congratulations and thanks for playing, lil’ Amy! Hope the acne clears up soon!
June 15th, 2006 at 3:46 pmno prob moron
June 15th, 2006 at 3:47 pmthe mighty one has got her shit together
Comment by amy — June 15, 2006 @ 3:42 pm
Yes, she collects it.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:49 pmAmy has got her shit together, too — all in a tight little bundle above her neck, right inside that Oxy-5-slathered croissant she calls her “skull.”
June 15th, 2006 at 3:51 pmNone of you rethug morons like Carter, but he’s not the one being touted as the “worst president in history.”
That’s your golden boy, W. How does it feel to have to constantly defend such a dismal moron?
June 15th, 2006 at 3:53 pmNone of you rethug morons like Carter, but he’s not the one being touted as the “worst president in history.”
That’s your golden boy, W. How does it feel to have to constantly defend such a dismal failure?
June 15th, 2006 at 3:54 pmpoor glen little pecker becker, has got his feelings hurt.
June 15th, 2006 at 3:55 pmyou scared of me truthful? that why you strike out at me like a little girl? i wont hurt you. dont cry
June 15th, 2006 at 3:58 pm188, Dear Amy, Maybe you took my post a bit too literally. First of all, I don’t exactly know how I could have nominated Carter. I’ve never nominated a guy for President before. I didn’t know it was that easy. Would you tell me more about how to go about this?
But to get more to the point, I was using the juxtaposition of Carter and Bush as a way to underline how horribly bad of a President Bush is. Are you really implying that Carter wouldn’t be a vast improvement over Bush?
Would Carter be supporting illegal prison camps in our name? Would Carter have lied to us to force a war down our throats? Would Carter be using the “Gay Marriage” issue to throw us off the scent of what’s really going on?
Seriously, on just a level of common decency and competence, can you truly make the argument for Bush over Carter? Do you have a soul (and or a brain?)
June 15th, 2006 at 4:00 pm[moderated by admin.]
June 15th, 2006 at 4:02 pmisn’t “theylied” stupid. c’mon you gotta admit. if thats all he’s got you guys need to send him back to hate camp.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:05 pmLet me try.
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Comment by amy –
June 15th, 2006 at 4:06 pmtruthful are you the one thats been using ad hominem all day? ok we get it. you heard a new phrase. turn fox news on and learn another one. you’re gonna wear it out little one
June 15th, 2006 at 4:09 pmAmy has all the rhetorical skills of Ann Coulter. And I don’t mean that in a good way.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:11 pmI apologize for post #209. Let’s get back to this, shall we?
Mr. Jimmy Carter
http://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/2002/
The Nobel Peace Prize 2002
The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2002 to Jimmy Carter, for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development.
During his presidency (1977-1981), Carter’s mediation was a vital contribution to the Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt, in itself a great enough achievement to qualify for the Nobel Peace Prize. At a time when the cold war between East and West was still predominant, he placed renewed emphasis on the place of human rights in international politics.
Through his Carter Center, which celebrates its 20th anniversary in 2002, Carter has since his presidency undertaken very extensive and persevering conflict resolution on several continents. He has shown outstanding commitment to human rights, and has served as an observer at countless elections all over the world. He has worked hard on many fronts to fight tropical diseases and to bring about growth and progress in developing countries. Carter has thus been active in several of the problem areas that have figured prominently in the over one hundred years of Peace Prize history.
In a situation currently marked by threats of the use of power, Carter has stood by the principles that conflicts must as far as possible be resolved through mediation and international co-operation based on international law, respect for human rights, and economic development.
Oslo, 11 October 2002
June 15th, 2006 at 4:13 pmModerated by Admin
June 15th, 2006 at 4:14 pm#212. at least coulter has the decency to plagiarize actual writers.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:15 pm[moderated by admin.]
June 15th, 2006 at 4:21 pmReposting #97.
I think Jimmy Carter has got to be one of the most UNDERRATED presidents ever (at least in the last 100 years). Of course conservatives lash out at him and attack him, but even some liberals distance themselves from him because they believe some of the FUD and false “history†of his presidency. Did he have problems that he could have resolved better? Yes. Is there a single president that does not apply to? No! I can’t think of a single politician that is “perfect†in all situations. But making up falsehoods about Mr. Carter’s presidency (such as the unemployment rate FUD — it’s clear it went DOWN during his presidency) is just ridiculous!
Liberals need to stand up for their heros and not just be in-the-closet fans of them. Was Reagan perfect (from the perspective of what he did for his base)? No. He accomplished a lot for them, but he was not perfect. He had PLENTY of controversy too. But the Repugs worship him like there was nothing he could do wrong. He was perfect, in their eyes.
I’m not saying liberals should look at Carter with that thick of rose-colored glasses, but they certainly should not be afraidto defend him and say that, yes, they think he was, overall, an excellent president.
Comment by Parrotlover77 — June 15, 2006 @ 1:50 pm
June 15th, 2006 at 4:22 pmThere is so much wrong with this, who knows where to begin?
It’s inaccurate. The hostages were held until January, when Reagan actually took office. Just the threat of Super-Ron didn’t scare the hostage-takers. And they were all returned to their families alive.
Jimmy Carter a dope? A graduate of the United States Naval Academy and a nuclear submarine engineer. Hardly a dope. Maybe Imus could carry his bags.
Jimmy Carter never negotiated with hostage-takers. Ronald Reagan and his stooges, convicted felons like North, Poindexter, McFarlane and others, of course did. They not only negotiated with hostage-takers, they rewarded them with arms and money. Those are the real dopes.
Let me remind one and all: Carter reported 11,488,000 new jobs in his four years. (Not a dope.) That is more jobs than than Nixon, more than Ford, more than Bush41, more than Bush 43, (hell, it’s more than both Bushes together!) and more than Super-Ron’s first four-year term, and more than 97% of his second term. All dopes
Then, Jimmy Carter went on to build houses for poor people and guarantee free and fair elections all around the world. The dopes all sat on their asses or played golf.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:29 pmwhat republican is wondering that? do you know one? ‘cmon tell us all some more lies
June 15th, 2006 at 4:30 pmcarter is available to be drafted to the nomination even if he doesn’t wanna run. i’m up for it. anybody else??
June 15th, 2006 at 4:33 pmi think you’re flirting with me truthful.. you sure focus alot of attention to me. listen – i am not a boy. that should put a stop to it
June 15th, 2006 at 4:36 pmreagons corpse could out think any lib i’ve ever met
June 15th, 2006 at 4:38 pmhttp://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/2002/presentation-speech.html
The Nobel Peace Prize 2002
Presentation Speech by Gunnar Berge of the Norwegian Nobel Committee Oslo, December 10, 2002.
Your Majesties, Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen, and – not least – this year’s Laureate, Jimmy Carter:
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This year’s Laureate Jimmy Carter is most decidedly on life’s muster roll. He is one of the most deserving and least controversial Laureates for a long time. To quote from the Nobel Committee’s reasons for awarding Carter this year’s Peace Prize:
June 15th, 2006 at 4:39 pm“The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2002 to Jimmy Carter, for his decades of untiring effort to find peaceful solutions to international conflicts, to advance democracy and human rights, and to promote economic and social development.”
That long sentence reflects the fact that this year’s Laureate has contributed in practically all the areas that have figured most prominently through the one hundred and one years of Peace Prize history. He was the politician who during his presidency attempted to bring about a more peaceful world. He was, and continues to be, the mediator who seeks peaceful solutions to international conflicts. He was, and is, engaged in disarmament and arms control. He has shown, and still shows, an outstanding commitment to democracy and human rights. His humanitarian and social activities have been, and are still, far-reaching.
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It became increasingly obvious that the by-passing of Carter had been one of the real sins of omission in Peace Prize history. This year we can finally put all that behind us.
Jimmy Carter only served one term as President of the United States. In a country where such importance is attached to outward success, that has cast a shadow. Carter’s principal concern was to do what he felt was right, even when it was not the smartest political step to take.
Our historical perspective enables us to see so much more clearly those features of Carter’s presidency that were forward-looking. We can see them in the Middle East. We can see them in Carter’s work for disarmament and arms control.
As President, he admittedly launched a number of controversial weapons programs, but that was only after he had failed to obtain Soviet agreement to radical disarmament proposals. Carter was convinced that the weapon stockpiles held by the superpowers were far too big. His so-called “deep cut” proposal in 1977 may not have been very realistic, given the deep-rooted scepticism of Breshnev and the Kremlin towards any sweeping reductions. But it pointed forward, to the kind of real disarmament agreements entered into by his successors. Carter worked hard to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons, even when this created difficulties in relation to close allies.
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Carter’s activities as ex-president testify to the genuineness of his commitment to human rights. Carter and his staff at the Carter Center in Atlanta, which celebrates its twentieth anniversary this year, have served as election observers at three dozen elections in twenty countries. The Centre has built up routines that have had and are still having a major influence on such work all over the world.
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One of the basic principles of the Carter Center is that “people can improve their lives when provided with the necessary skills, knowledge, and access to resources”. This applies not only at the international level, but also in the highest degree also at home in the United States. Every year we see pictures of Jimmy and Rosalynn in a slum somewhere or other, busy building housing for and together with the poor. While there must have been good opportunities for an ex-president to make money for himself, Carter has instead through Habitat for Humanity and the Atlanta Project wielded hammer and saw for the benefit of others. As the Norwegian poet Arnulf Øverland says in his poem “Domestic Decalogue”, “to make someone else happy is the only happiness”.
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In the last paragraph of the reasons it gave for awarding this year’s Peace Prize to Jimmy Carter, the Norwegian Nobel Committee mentioned “a situation marked by threats of the use of power”, and emphasised that “conflicts must as far as possible be resolved through negotiation and international co-operation based on international law, respect for human rights, and economic development.” These are principles which Carter has stood for, ever more firmly. These are the principles which the Norwegian Nobel Committee hopes that the international community will take as its guidelines in the difficult conflicts the world is facing today and will face in the years to come.
Most of us become more conservative as we grow older. With Jimmy Carter the opposite seems to be the case. In this respect he is an atypical pensioner, growing with the years more and more radical and critical of society. His criticism of those in power in his own country and abroad has grown sharper. One does not have to agree with everything he says in order to admire his involvement.
Jimmy Carter has evidently taken the advice of his favourite poet, Dylan Thomas:
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at the close of day.
Jimmy Carter will probably not go down in American history as the most effective President. But he is certainly the best ex-president the country ever had. And, most importantly for us: he is a most worthy recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize.
Jimmy Carter stands out very clearly on the muster roll of life!
Bush in Baghdad: “Veni, vidi, evanescebam.”
I came, I saw, I got the hell out of Dodge.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:40 pmnow you gonna pretend to know my social attitudes?
June 15th, 2006 at 4:43 pmi musta struck a nerve. here comes the ol playbook out.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:45 pmhttp://nobelprize.org/peace/laureates/2002/carter-lecture.html
Jimmy Carter – Nobel Lecture
Nobel Lecture, Oslo, December 10, 2002
Your Majesties, Members of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, Excellencies, Ladies and Gentlemen,
It is with a deep sense of gratitude that I accept this prize. I am grateful to my wife Rosalynn, to my colleagues at The Carter Center, and to many others who continue to seek an end to violence and suffering throughout the world. The scope and character of our Center’s activities are perhaps unique, but in many other ways they are typical of the work being done by many hundreds of nongovernmental organizations that strive for human rights and peace.
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The world has changed greatly since I left the White House. Now there is only one superpower, with unprecedented military and economic strength. The coming budget for American armaments will be greater than those of the next fifteen nations combined, and there are troops from the United States in many countries throughout the world. Our gross national economy exceeds that of the three countries that follow us, and our nation’s voice most often prevails as decisions are made concerning trade, humanitarian assistance, and the allocation of global wealth. This dominant status is unlikely to change in our lifetimes.
Great American power and responsibility are not unprecedented, and have been used with restraint and great benefit in the past. We have not assumed that super strength guarantees super wisdom, and we have consistently reached out to the international community to ensure that our own power and influence are tempered by the best common judgment.
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But instead of entering a millennium of peace, the world is now, in many ways, a more dangerous place. The greater ease of travel and communication has not been matched by equal understanding and mutual respect. There is a plethora of civil wars, unrestrained by rules of the Geneva Convention, within which an overwhelming portion of the casualties are unarmed civilians who have no ability to defend themselves. And recent appalling acts of terrorism have reminded us that no nations, even superpowers, are invulnerable.
It is clear that global challenges must be met with an emphasis on peace, in harmony with others, with strong alliances and international consensus. Imperfect as it may be, there is no doubt that this can best be done through the United Nations, which Ralph Bunche described here in this same forum as exhibiting a “fortunate flexibility” – not merely to preserve peace but also to make change, even radical change, without violence.
He went on to say: “To suggest that war can prevent war is a base play on words and a despicable form of warmongering. The objective of any who sincerely believe in peace clearly must be to exhaust every honorable recourse in the effort to save the peace. The world has had ample evidence that war begets only conditions that beget further war.”
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I thought often during my years in the White House of an admonition that we received in our small school in Plains, Georgia, from a beloved teacher, Miss Julia Coleman. She often said: “We must adjust to changing times and still hold to unchanging principles.”
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The unchanging principles of life predate modern times. I worship Jesus Christ, whom we Christians consider to be the Prince of Peace. As a Jew, he taught us to cross religious boundaries, in service and in love. He repeatedly reached out and embraced Roman conquerors, other Gentiles, and even the more despised Samaritans.
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Most work of The Carter Center is in remote villages in the poorest nations of Africa, and there I have witnessed the capacity of destitute people to persevere under heartbreaking conditions. I have come to admire their judgment and wisdom, their courage and faith, and their awesome accomplishments when given a chance to use their innate abilities.
But tragically, in the industrialized world there is a terrible absence of understanding or concern about those who are enduring lives of despair and hopelessness. We have not yet made the commitment to share with others an appreciable part of our excessive wealth. This is a potentially rewarding burden that we should all be willing to assume.
Ladies and gentlemen:
War may sometimes be a necessary evil. But no matter how necessary, it is always an evil, never a good. We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other’s children.
June 15th, 2006 at 4:54 pmThe bond of our common humanity is stronger than the divisiveness of our fears and prejudices. God gives us the capacity for choice. We can choose to alleviate suffering. We can choose to work together for peace. We can make these changes – and we must.
Thank you.
I’ll go out on a limb and guess that you didn’t criticize former president Carter for his truly disgraceful attacks on both president Bush and the United States over the past several years. And please, none of this phony outrage at the thought of a sitting press secretary leveling attacks at the former president. For a former president has never, never attacked a sitting president, much less his own nation. Yet Carter has been pleased to do so on countless occasions from all over the world. And his criticisms have not been made on comedy programs and couched partly as humor. Carter has spent years spewing venom at the American people for turning him out of office so forcefully in 1980. (He won just 6 states.) Of course it was his utter incompetence that was responsible for that landslide defeat. But being a typical self-important leftist, he continues to see that loss as a failure of voters to appreciate his genius. He is a spiteful, self-serving fool who spent 4 years telling Americans that their nation was on its last legs and 26 years trying to prove he was right.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:13 pm#244. The Freedom of Speech is the Freedom to Offend. The sooner you get used to that, the sooner you’ll learn to be an American.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:18 pmWhy do you keep saying that our economy is tanking? Our economy is booming right now. Unemployment is currently at 4.6%. Go to the Federal Labor Department here
http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm
You can see that unemployment rates were much higher during Clinton’s time in office. It is funny how he raises taxes and it costs people there job (which in turn means the government needs more money to pay for more welfare). Now Bush comes alone and gives a tax cut and poof, unemployment is at 4.6% with our Markets going at a great pace. In reality, the last time we had an unemployment rate this low, it was the 60’s.
And I keep looking at your tax revenue chart. It not only shows that tax revenues are increasing, it goes on to project further increases. Obviously, it is partially caused by the fact so many more americans have jobs.
And for you to say that companies are “sitting on cash” is just not true. Companies that “sit on cash” have explaining to do as shareholders hate that as it reduces there return on there investmest. Usually this leads to the shareholders looking for the company to be bought out. Cash always get invested. And for you to infer that “most” or “all” companies are investing oversea’s or hiding money over sea’s is just foolish. Sure there are bad apples (most work for government these days haha), but most companies are solid. Even the ones that invest oversea’s really aren’t that big of a problem. Don’t you guys want us to look out for global poverty and such? Furthermore, were do you think most of the world invests in the long run? America
So in recap, we have insanely low unemployment coupled with a booming economy. Those 2 things alone made his tax cut more then a success. I guess as an added bonus, we even have tax revenues rebounding as well from when they took a serious dive around 9/11. I can only guess that you will now bring out some conspricy theory that Bush someone doctored the unemployment figures and that fact that the markets are booming is also “fake”.
Now we just need Bush to get off his High Horse and do 2 more things.
1) Go talk to Iran already and resolve this. That will drop the price of Oil overnight reducing inflation worries and spurring even more growth in the economy.
2) Get Iraq under UN control to further stabilize our economy.
At this point what more could he do? There’s hardly anyone left that needs a job, or economy is booming, and your precious tax revenues are heading up.
Personally, I say we need Bush and the Congress to now get spending under check (it has been there biggest flaw IMO). Get all the pork out for starters. Then look at every single program. Welfare and programs like it should obviously be reduced as it makes sense since unemployment has gone down. Lastly, many programs have increases that automatically add to them every year. Simply go and declare all that done for (yes I know it cover inflation but aren’ we trying to reduce the control corrupt government has over our cash)
June 15th, 2006 at 5:37 pmhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/11/20021118-4.html
President Bush Meets with Nobel Laureates
June 15th, 2006 at 5:38 pmRemarks by the President in Photo Opportunity with Nobel Laureates
The Oval Office
3:17 P.M. EST
THE PRESIDENT: It’s my honor to welcome this year’s Nobel laureates to the Oval Office. Of course, I welcome somebody who spent a lot of quality time here. President Carter and Mrs. Carter, we’re so honored to have you, as well as the other distinguished Americans who are here with us.
These Americans are a great honor to their fields and a great honor to our country. And we’re proud to have you here. We’re proud for what you’ve done, for not only America but the world. And we’re proud for your contributions.
And I want to thank the ambassadors from Sweden and Norway for coming here, as well. Ambassadors, thank you for being here. All Americans take great pride in the accomplishments of these good folks. We’ll be watching the news clips of the ceremonies. We will be — we will be with you there in spirit.
And once again, we thank you and your families for your dedication to the greatest country on the face of the earth. And may God bless your work and may God bless your further endeavors. Thank you all very much.
END 3:19 P.M. EST
Jerad,
June 15th, 2006 at 5:43 pmI’m glad you admitted that the government is corrupt. Was that just a slip of the tongue?
If I remember correctly the tax revenues were based on taking in taxes, that were then repealed. More fuzzy math. And I am sure this has been pointed out, not that Randy will listen. But the unemployment figures don’t count anyone who is no longer eligable for unemployment. Essentially the true unemployment is much higher then the touted 4.6%. As for the booming economy why don’t you go explain to the autoworkers in detroit, or workers in Ohio, and dozens of other places how great the economy is. I bet you will get a wonderful response.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:47 pmIf anyone ever dared to speak badly about dumbya, not only would they loose the mic feed, but probably never be allowed on television again. But if you support these failures, you can attack with or without warrant anyone you choose.
I find it very interesting that the CONservatives get testy when someone compaires this misadministration to the Nazis. After all, Nazis participated in retalitory actions when their troops were attacked by civilians (Haditha and the many others). Nazis would have played soccer with decapitated heads of Iraqis (soldier that moved to Canada after witnessing this). It seems the truth hurts these CONservative war criminals/enablers.
I find it also very interesting, facing the label of “Worst pResident Ever”, that they attempt to compair themselves with good, nice, successful Presidents.
You don’t compair yourself to others unless you are trying to convince others and yourself that you are better than you are. It is just pitiful, and sad.
I hope that is what they put on dumbya’s tomb stone….SO SAD. Those two words pretty well sum him up quickly and as nicely as I could. Notice I didn’t say they should put WAR CRIMINAL on his head stone, but It would be appropriate.
June 15th, 2006 at 5:52 pmEssentially the true unemployment is much higher then the touted 4.6%.
Really? What is it then?
June 15th, 2006 at 5:54 pm#246. Jerad — June 15, 2006 @ 5:37 pm
Why do you keep saying that our economy is tanking? Our economy is booming right now. Unemployment is currently at 4.6%. Go to the Federal Labor Department here
You can see that unemployment rates were much higher during Clinton’s time in office. It is funny how he raises taxes and it costs people there job (which in turn means the government needs more money to pay for more welfare). Now Bush comes alone and gives a tax cut and poof, unemployment is at 4.6% with our Markets going at a great pace. In reality, the last time we had an unemployment rate this low, it was the 60’s.
I really don’t see how your link supports your data. I see the rate in 1992 as 7.5%. Every year after that, until 2001, the rate falls, all the way down to 4.0%. Then it immediately jumps up in 2001. I recall that a Bush Republican was President in 1992, and another Bush Republican was president in 2001. In between, all those years with falling unemployment, the President was a Clinton Democrat.
It’s true the rate last month was 4.6%. That’s still not as low as Clinton’s lowest month of 3.8% in April of 2000, nor as good as his year of 2000, at 4.0%.
If you follow this link, you’ll see that the number of new jobs has been declining for the last four months. Even the good months of the last couple years are really quite anemic by Clinton’s standards.
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?series_id=CES0000000001&data_tool=%22EaG%22&output_view=net_1mth
Mr. Clinton had months of 400,000-500,000 jobs. Mr. Bush has only three months over 300,000 jobs, and none over 400,000. Mr. Carter had many months over 400,000, and even over 700,000.
Surely this data cannot support your claim that “the economy is booming”?
June 15th, 2006 at 5:56 pmOnce again, the unemployment rate figures are just as accurate as they have ever been. The same applied with Clinton was running the show. If people werent’ eligable for unemployment they weren’t counted then or now, nothing has changed.
To point out a few union workers that lost jobs does not justify saying the economy is not doing well. Industry changes all the time. While 1 industry struggled, most are doing better then well. Those auto workers need to find a new job in a new industry IMO.
Either way, just because some far left dude on a far left blog says that Bush made up fake unemployment number doesn’t make it true. You are just in denial.
And hear I thought democrats wanted people to get a job. It is what you guys talk about all the time. Now most have a job and you seem upset about it. Did you really just want every to suck from the government tit for the rest of there lives. Afterall, then you could keep telling that crowd they need you. I guess they don’t anymore.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:02 pmCarter was a successful president, eh? Considering the libs so fixated on polls as an indicator of success Carter’s lowest approval rating of 28% makes your argument that Carter was a great president swiss cheese.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:03 pmGet over yourself already. Clinton had a philosphy that government would take care of people. Bush believed that people should take care of each other and leave government out of it. In reality, both have done well, Bush just got more people jobs while Clinton raised more money for the folks that he couldn’t find a way to get a job.
Any my link was not a monthly chart, it was a averaged yearly chart. Clinton had 1 wonderful month, YEA!!! Bush is having wonderful years.
And of course clinton was “creating” more jobs. There were way more people looking for a job (look at the horrid unemployment under Clinton). Bush couldn’t create that many jobs a month if he wanted to. There is hardly anyone left that needs employment.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:06 pm#251. Swamp Rabbit — June 15, 2006 @ 5:54 pm
http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm?id=1925
This graph is a couple years old, but the point is valid today. The real unemployment rate is about 9 points higher when it accounts for the number of people who are no longer eligible for benefits. That would make it about 13.6% today. Of course, it’s the same for all presidents. However, there’s no denying that the current unemployment is higher than it was during Mr. Clinton’s administration.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:13 pm#255. Lucius — June 15, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
Any my link was not a monthly chart, it was a averaged yearly chart. Clinton had 1 wonderful month, YEA!!! Bush is having wonderful years.
What data are you looking at? At this link, Clinton had 4 years below 5%. Three of his years were lower thatn any of Bush’s.
Show me the “horrid unemployment” of the Clinton years. The BLS certainly doesn’t support that claim.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:20 pm#256,
EPI isn’t using 13.6% when discussing current economic indicators:
“As noted, unemployment ticked down in May to 4.6%, the lowest rate since July of 2001.”
June 15th, 2006 at 6:28 pm#255. Lucius — June 15, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
This link shows that, in May 2006 (Bush), over 7 million Americans were unemployed.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_06022006.pdf
And this link shows that in April 2000 (Clinton), 5.5 million were unemployed.
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/news.release/History/empsit.05052000.news
I’m certain Mr. Bush could find jobs for some of those 1.5 million people.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:29 pm#260. Swamp Rabbit — June 15, 2006 @ 6:28 pm
You’re right. They use 18.8%
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/webfeatures_econindicators_jobspict_20060602
“Though the unemployment rate was essentially unchanged last month, long-term unemployment ticked up slightly and remains uncharacteristically high. In May, 18.8% of the unemployed had been jobless for at least half a year, suggesting a higher share of persons is stuck in unemployment than might be expected given the low and declining jobless rate.”
June 15th, 2006 at 6:37 pm263,Dumbass, 18.8% of unemployed is not the unemployment rate.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:46 pmI’manass, Snowjob, and Chimpus couldn’t carry Carter bags or lunch together. Carter and Clinton have help so many after their terms in office. Chimpus has screwed the pouch so bad he’s going to have to go underground just to survive and so someone doesn’t hunt him out. What a miserable excuss for a man let alone a president. Like all republican presidents before him, there will be no good deeds for mankind, they only serve themself not help others.
June 15th, 2006 at 6:52 pm#264. Swamp Rabbit — June 15, 2006 @ 6:46 pm
Hey. Lighten up. I was in a hurry and misunderstood the article. 18.8% looked too high for me. The 13.6 number is too high, too, for the same reason.
June 15th, 2006 at 7:08 pmBTW,
June 15th, 2006 at 7:09 pmEPI is a liberal smear tank. Try using a neutral source.
I am neither a democrat or republican.
I am not from this country…but I am here legally.
I was not in the USA when Clinton was the president and he was being roasted over the lewinsky affair. My feeling was “Why wasnt I born in the US”. I couldnt help but wonder if the president of the most powerful nation on earth could get this treatment for lying, that too over a woman then this must be the nation where The Law is Absolute for everyone. I thought that this was Utopia. This was a feeling shared across my country, there was even a TV commentary on this.
But now I am in the US and the last 5 years have been devastating. I have never seen the trust of people being so openly violated. To top that, people questioning this behaviour are branded as traitors, unpatriotic etc. Inspite of all this this Guy is voted in again. And he still more rapes this country. I will not be here for long since my contract expires. But even I feel violated, even when I am not a citizen.
My two cents on this is the following.
June 15th, 2006 at 7:18 pmAs long as you have people as “Amy” this beautiful country is going to the dogs. If a country does not have discerning voters it will lose in todays global community. History will definitely tell that the slide started … because of the current president.
Carter was a failure. After four years of the Carter presidency, both inflation and unemployment were worse than when he came into office. The annual inflation rate rose from 4.8% in 1976 to 11% in 1979, and hovered around 12% at the time of the 1980 election campaign. The deficit for the fiscal year 1979 totaled $27.7 billion, and that for 1980 was nearly $59 billion. The unemployment rate leveled at about 7.7% by the time of the election campaign
June 15th, 2006 at 7:32 pmpbs.
June 15th, 2006 at 7:53 pm#271, Puzzled Outsider, thank you for your perspective. You’ve pretty much summed up the liberal view of what is happening in our country. Plus you nailed “Amy” :-)
June 15th, 2006 at 8:14 pmJimmy Carter is a good decent honest man who has done alot of good for this nation. Tony Snow is a fool.
June 15th, 2006 at 8:51 pmLet’s not forget that Reagan bribed the Mullahs during the election in 1980 and paid them back after he was installed. Does anyone remember the Iran-Contra affair? The repigs want it both ways, but ignore the consequences of their path forward, much like the Oozlefinch.
June 15th, 2006 at 8:51 pmKeep this and play it back when W takes his month long vacation in Crawford in this time of war.
June 15th, 2006 at 9:17 pm[...] Here’s what Think Progress has to say about it: President Bush has spent more time vacationing than any president in modern history, with 319 days worth as of August 2005. President Carter took 79 vacation days during his 4 years in office, the lowest of any president in modern history. [...]
June 16th, 2006 at 1:49 amCarter cannot be blamed for the double-digit inflation that peaked on his watch, because inflation started growing in 1965 and snowballed for the next 15 years. To battle inflation, Carter appointed Paul Volcker as Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, who defeated it by putting the nation through an intentional recession. Once the threat of inflation abated in late 1982, Volcker cut interest rates and flooded the economy with money, fueling an expansion that lasted seven years. Neither Carter nor Reagan had much to do with the economic events that occurred during their terms.
June 16th, 2006 at 3:05 amWe have ?
June 16th, 2006 at 5:29 amA top Iraq general hero of the first Gulf war a fierce fighter of the inssurgency. general Mohammand says that iraq and US control only 30% of Iraq
Someone please explain how tax cuts hurt our economy or increase unemployment? Anyone. You guys keep trying to infer that Tax Cuts hurt our economy. Explain how that could kinda be true. Your graph simply shows the effects of 9/11. Sure tax revenue dropped, our markets took a serious dive after 9/11 and obvious didn’t pay as much in taxes.
To say that a tax cut can somehow hurt our economy or somehow make more people unemployed is just bogus.
Now I am not saying that all tax increases hurt our economy or increase unemployment, but I can at least see how tax hikes hurt such matter.
Anyways, thanks for the replies, but please explain your position. You graph doesn’t show that at all as it just shows tax revenues declining due to 9/11. Katrina was not the same at all. One was a natural diaster that the markets new wouldn’t happen again since we were at the end of the Hurricane season. Hell, the markets probably looked at a Katrina as a positive sign as it had the potential to spur the home market, construction market, etc. A terrorist attack is akin to “war” which destablizes the entire world economy. They are not the same sir.
June 16th, 2006 at 10:04 amFool is much too kind an adjective for Tony Snow! He simply cannot cover where our President sits with verbage.
June 16th, 2006 at 10:46 amTaking on unnecessary debt is not good in any case, so a tax cut without a corresponding cut in spending could be damaging to any economy. A tax cut that eliminates or reduces vital services likewise would cause harm. Under the right conditions cutting taxes could cause unemployment.
Katrina and 9/11 had very much in common. Both were foreseeable, both were preventable and both provided loss and gain for investors.
June 16th, 2006 at 11:27 amPresident Bush is transforming the middle east and has freed 50 million people from tyranny.
The tens of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians are quite grateful, I’m sure, to be “freed of tyranny”. But then, who cares about brown people on the other side of the world? Especially when you can start a war and then use it to win elections!
June 16th, 2006 at 1:03 pm#241 – “The world has changed greatly since I left the White House. Now there is only one superpower, with unprecedented military and economic strength.” -Pete quoting Mr. Jimmeh
******Thank you Pete for including President Jimmehs’ Nobel acceptance speech in your posting. I swear Mr. Jimmeh sounds as though he is lamenting the US winning the Cold War. I think this speech should be required reading at liberal re-education camps world-wide.
“And recent appalling acts of terrorism have reminded us that no nations, even superpowers, are invulnerable.
June 16th, 2006 at 1:52 pmIt is clear that global challenges must be met with an emphasis on peace, in harmony with others, with strong alliances and international consensus.” – more “wisdom” from Mr. Jimmeh
******This is why Democrats are perceived (correctly!!) to be the party of the weak link. I think the 42 Dems who broke with the Party realize the American people do not wish to adopt the defeatist attitude of “One-Worlder” progs. I guess they know more about their constituents than Think Progress and the hyper-progs who post here.
#291– This is why Democrats are perceived (correctly!!) to be the party of the weak link –
That is why democrats are perceived as thinkers. Brains are superior than brawn.
If a neocon rightwinger really beleives what he preaches (the bible), they should definitely read Proberbs 14:16,19. oops…Ofcourse they cant think…. its not their fault….Inbreeding definitely takes a toll on the IQ.
June 16th, 2006 at 2:34 pmPost #292 – A “fine example of Progressive Debate Skills – no substance, Hyper self-awareness tendencies, no counter argument…. no surprise…..
June 16th, 2006 at 3:09 pmSo democrats are upset with the Tax Cut, just upset that we didn’t cut spending alone with the tax cut. In that regard, I FULLY AGREE.
June 16th, 2006 at 3:26 pm#293.
Exactly. Any counter argument with an imbecile would bring me to that level. Reasoning does not work. “Hyper awareness tendencies”… in other words “aware of one’s worth”.
Got to admit…. the effort on looking up fancy words…now thats a surprise. If this effort was put before voting, you wouldnt have voted in a retard again.
June 16th, 2006 at 3:54 pm#296
poor kid…I didnt advance any argument.
A lil too dense to see that ?
Its not your fault :-)
June 16th, 2006 at 5:48 pmIt’s called tongue in MY cheek – You haven’t advanced an argument yet – why start now???
June 16th, 2006 at 6:05 pmWingers take note. The majority of the violence in the last few years isn’t the product of terrorism, it’s the result of an incompetent approach to world affairs by your president and his crew. The frequency of terrorist attacks did not increase until Bush decided to use swords instead of plowshares. If you think 9/11 was some kind of Pearl Harbor like moment in a terror war, it wasn’t. 9/11 was not a first shot in a war by a potent enemy, it was 19 guys who took advantage of the negligence in airline security, they got lucky and hit the jackpot. Shame on them for trying, shame on us for being so lax. Our security is better enhanced by modifying our own behavior, not by using wanton force to change the behavior of others.
June 16th, 2006 at 6:59 pmI wish Jimmy Carter and his organization had been sent to monitor the elections in the United States in 2000 and 2004 and expose any irregularities they observed. Will someone please ask him to keep an eye on the 2006 mid-term elections? If not in the entire U.S., at least in Florida and Ohio.
When the history books about this era are written someday in the future, will they report that the American people woke up to the creeping advance of Bush’s totalitarianism? Stealing elections, spying on citizens, telling the judiciary that warrants are not necessary and telling the legislative branch that laws can be ignored — what more do we need to see? Neil Young said it all. “Looking For A Leader” and (though I know Nancy Pelosi wants us to keep quiet about it until after November) “Let’s Impeach The President.”
June 16th, 2006 at 7:01 pmTony Snow’s appointment was a message recieved loud and clear by tons of the talking heads on TV news.
They have been twisting and turning facts for the right anyway but now they are truly bought.
Now most of them are outright fawners…hoping that if they say and do the right things the right way—and have the correct hair–that they may get a WH job someday.
June 16th, 2006 at 7:12 pmJimmy Carter is an upstanding, decent human being who has the wisdom of a small child…..We can’t get rid of him, no matter what we do….he’s either hugging Castro or in a tickle fight with Kim Jong, the Dems haven’t learned anything in 30 years.
June 19th, 2006 at 1:15 am[...] The jury is still out on whether his regret gene is just as recessive. He did call himself “an idiot†for his they-all-look-alike confusion of black House members Sheila Jackson Lee and Cynthia McKinney. Will he publicly flagellate himself in the same way for his appearance on Imus last week in which he slammed former President Carter, saying that during the Carter years “you had the humiliation of hostages being taken in Iran� Oops. Should President Carter be expecting a “my bad†card in the mail, Tony? [...]
June 19th, 2006 at 9:13 pmFact: The Iranian hostages could have been released by Carter if Reagan had not interferred with “guns for hostages.” Fact: The Iranian hostages were released within fifteen minutes of Reagan’s swearing in as president. The fact that Reagan had the hostages held MUCH LONGER than necessary to promote his own image gives a lot of insight into his real character. Fact: Carter has been a “real” Christian “all” of his life; Bush was an alcoholic for most of his adult life, and his Christianity is questionable.
Tony Snow is just another heartless and souless member of Bush’s neocons.
June 20th, 2006 at 11:16 amAmy,
You sound like an uneducated, simpleton, redneck hillbilly. Why don’t (and that is the correct way to spell it NOT “dont”, you ass) you go back to kneeling on your knees and sucking redneck d**k for you meth money!!!!
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 pmAmy,
You sound like an uneducated, simpleton, redneck hillbilly. Why don’t (and that is the correct way to spell it NOT “dont”, you ass) you go back to kneeling on your knees and sucking redneck d**k for your meth money!!!!
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:33 pmI think The Decider should decide. I.on the other hand,am THE DERIDER!!!!……Barbara Bush has a whole lot to pay for.I think the heads of all the dead Iraqi babies should be made into bowling balls and stored in the Infernal Lanes ,awaiting BB, who will be pin-setting in Hades through eternity.
June 24th, 2006 at 8:07 amI think what they get off on is the possibility she will piss on them if they agree with her.
I think what has you confused is the white house announcement that the deficit is half of what they projected it to be. Think of it this way, it’s like asking your family to borrow $1000 at the end of the month because you plan to gamble away all your money and wont be able to pay rent. Then at the end of the month you ask for only $500 because you did such a good job at the black jack table that you only lost half as much as you though you would.
The difference during Clinton’s term is we had a budget surplus. That means we spent less than we collected. We had extra money at the end of the year that we could apply towards paying what we already owe reducing our debt.
Come on, you know those soldiers are only dieing so they can get on TV.
I’ve heard a lot of plans from democrats, republicans and independents alike. They range from getting out now to getting out in a year to getting out over several years. The only one that hasn’t mentioned a plan has been the Bush administration. Their plan is to stay the course indefinitely which is not a plan but inaction. They dont know what to do because they can’t save face. If they put in more troops, they have to admit they were wrong about going in with too few troops. If they reduce the number of troops, the current Iraqi government will be overthrown. If they pull out, they have to admit they are “cutting and running.” They had to wait it out so that in 50 years when the civil war is over and Iraqis settle down to peace, they can say, “see, we were right.”
What is wrong with the food for oil program? Other than the less that 1% that was skimmed off the top, it worked rather well. 71% went for humanitarian aid, 25% went for war reparations, 2.2% administration costs and .8% to pay for inspections. That’s 99% in case you can’t add. That is less waste than any US government program. BTW, at the same time as the Food for Oil program, US and other companies were making deals with Saddam to smuggle oil outside the program that far exceeded the amounts skimmed in the program. Both the amounts skimmed in the program and the amounts in the oil smugging deals are vastly eclipsed buy the amount of graft and waste in the War for Oil program we are currently in.
I dont think we are in a position to demand anything from the UN. This administration burned all bridges with the UN going into this war. We would have to beg the UN to step in and bail us out. We would have to appeal to their mercy over the Iraqi’s suffering what we caused them.
Why would Abu Hamaza Al-Muhajer, Al Qaeda’s #1 man in Iraq, be writing in perfect English in a style that rivals Churchill’s best speeches, on stationary that starts of with “From the desk of”? Are you really stupid enough to believe anything on that page is real?
Both the dive and the tax cut happened well before 9/11. And a republican congress cut taxes the year before which not only squandered the surplus but started the economic slide as they went into effect in 2001. Clinton really should have rejected that budget.
Tax cut myth
Quote us a single attack by either of Clinton or Carter on any president, either one sitting in office or laying in his grave. Quote us anyone on Clinton or Carter’s staff that has attacked any president. Criticizing policy is not an attack. Calling someone names and mocking them is an attack. There was plenty of name calling and mocking of Clinton by the right while he was a sitting president yet I’m sure you were silent, if not taking part. No one has accuse either Bush of taking part in name calling attacks, though they did little to stop them. Tony Snow has resorted to personal attacks, name calling and mocking of Clinton while he was a sitting president and continues to do so with Carter despite the fact that he is representing the current administration.
I give you credit for trying to support your argument. That is much more than most Bush defenders.
If you look closely at your graph, you will notice it was highest during Clinton’s administration when he took office. It went down to it’s lowest point when he left office. From there, it went back up, not quite as high as when Clinton took office but Clinton took over from where the first Bush left off and reduced it. W took over when it was at it’s lowest rate in 20 years, from your graph, and increased it.
It is true that the economy is doing better and the unemployment rate is going down slightly but this economy is propped up by unprecedented deficit spending and the military complex re-arming as well as the current oil prices. The only ones that are benefiting from this economy are the ones that got the tax cuts in the first place. More people are employed but they are paid less. The cost of goods, especially fuel, increased local taxes and less pay have forced more people into poverty.
Poverty rate until 2004
I believe in 2005, the government stopped publishing data on poverty rates. If the terrorists got their hands on this information, they would use it against us.
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