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	<title>Comments on: Murtha on Rove: &#8216;He&#8217;s Sitting in His Air-Conditioned Office on His Big, Fat  Backside, Saying Stay the Course&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Al Forget</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-635582</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Forget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 05:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Lora,

Thus far I&#039;ve sent them several responses in complete opposition to their positions and they have not yet stopped.

I hope they don&#039;t since, after grimacing, I usually get a laugh from what they have to say since so much of it seems so whacky.

Al Forget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Lora,</p>
<p>Thus far I&#8217;ve sent them several responses in complete opposition to their positions and they have not yet stopped.</p>
<p>I hope they don&#8217;t since, after grimacing, I usually get a laugh from what they have to say since so much of it seems so whacky.</p>
<p>Al Forget<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=635582', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-635444</link>
		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jun 2006 03:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To AAl Forget,
Thank you for the details on your political life, etc.  I wish you the best.
I understand your reasons for continuing to receive NewsMax.  I was  mainly curious--and still am--to know if they stop sending you mail, if you express contrary views., as I have heard that  some rightwing sites quickly ban posters who express  disagreement or left-leaning opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To AAl Forget,<br />
Thank you for the details on your political life, etc.  I wish you the best.<br />
I understand your reasons for continuing to receive NewsMax.  I was  mainly curious&#8211;and still am&#8211;to know if they stop sending you mail, if you express contrary views., as I have heard that  some rightwing sites quickly ban posters who express  disagreement or left-leaning opinions.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=635444', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Al Forget</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-634139</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Forget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Lora,

NewsMax has not responded.  

For 25 years I lived in Seattle, WA (through October last year), and did my best to continue to serve my community through involvement in the political process.  To that end I became a member of a quite large democrat organization and was well enough regarded to serve as the Secretary of that group, as their representative to the King County Legislative Action Committee, and as a member of both the King County and Washington State Democrat Platform Committees for several election cycles.  I was also privileged to serve as a volunteer with the election/reelection campaigns of various local political lights (Senator Patty Murray, Candidate for the United States Senate and King County Executive Ron Sims, and Congressman Jim McDermott among others) doing mundane tasks such as phone banking, mailings, filing, data input and even some representational work.  For 12 years I maintained the political database for Congressman McDermott.

I also volunteered in numerous local campaigns and with issue groups in support of environmental concerns, women&#039;s reproductive rights, and various other matters.  I from time to time have written letters to the editors of various local papers and have had a few Op-ed articles published.  Through such activities I became known to and trusted by local politicians because others listened to what I had to say and respected it because my words were both thoughtful and meaningful--the more so because I have no political ambitions of my own though not a few individuals have suggested I consider running for one office or another.  I have, however, been elected as a Precinct Committee Officer which is a political office and one which I took very seriously since it entails representing the people who elected you to that position.

I was also privileged to provide clerical/office assistance to the Advance Campaign for Bill Clinton&#039;s reelection campaign; and, as well, to serve on the Wes Clark for President State Committee.

The late Speaker of the House of Representatives told us &quot;All politics is local&quot; and he was entirely correct.  The word politics comes from the Greek word for people and our Founding Fathers ordained and established the Constitution of the United States in the name of &quot;We the People of the United States&quot; doing so to &quot;establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.

In doing so they admonished us to participate in the process and, from my standpoint the most important part of the &quot;Preamble&quot; is that phrase which tells us we should be about insuring the betterment of our society for future generations--for our Posterity.  As an individual citizens I help that process unless I take part in it which is why I try to study the issues as deeply as I can so that what I might be able to contribute will be (to at least some degree) be based on REASON rather than PASSION.

Anyway, Lora, and after all too much verbiage, the reason I choose to continue to receive NewsMax is so that I can better understand the issues and know that whatever I might be able to contribute to the political process will consider the viewpoints of others even if solely be able to counter opposing positions

Best regards,

Al Forget</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Lora,</p>
<p>NewsMax has not responded.  </p>
<p>For 25 years I lived in Seattle, WA (through October last year), and did my best to continue to serve my community through involvement in the political process.  To that end I became a member of a quite large democrat organization and was well enough regarded to serve as the Secretary of that group, as their representative to the King County Legislative Action Committee, and as a member of both the King County and Washington State Democrat Platform Committees for several election cycles.  I was also privileged to serve as a volunteer with the election/reelection campaigns of various local political lights (Senator Patty Murray, Candidate for the United States Senate and King County Executive Ron Sims, and Congressman Jim McDermott among others) doing mundane tasks such as phone banking, mailings, filing, data input and even some representational work.  For 12 years I maintained the political database for Congressman McDermott.</p>
<p>I also volunteered in numerous local campaigns and with issue groups in support of environmental concerns, women&#8217;s reproductive rights, and various other matters.  I from time to time have written letters to the editors of various local papers and have had a few Op-ed articles published.  Through such activities I became known to and trusted by local politicians because others listened to what I had to say and respected it because my words were both thoughtful and meaningful&#8211;the more so because I have no political ambitions of my own though not a few individuals have suggested I consider running for one office or another.  I have, however, been elected as a Precinct Committee Officer which is a political office and one which I took very seriously since it entails representing the people who elected you to that position.</p>
<p>I was also privileged to provide clerical/office assistance to the Advance Campaign for Bill Clinton&#8217;s reelection campaign; and, as well, to serve on the Wes Clark for President State Committee.</p>
<p>The late Speaker of the House of Representatives told us &#8220;All politics is local&#8221; and he was entirely correct.  The word politics comes from the Greek word for people and our Founding Fathers ordained and established the Constitution of the United States in the name of &#8220;We the People of the United States&#8221; doing so to &#8220;establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity.</p>
<p>In doing so they admonished us to participate in the process and, from my standpoint the most important part of the &#8220;Preamble&#8221; is that phrase which tells us we should be about insuring the betterment of our society for future generations&#8211;for our Posterity.  As an individual citizens I help that process unless I take part in it which is why I try to study the issues as deeply as I can so that what I might be able to contribute will be (to at least some degree) be based on REASON rather than PASSION.</p>
<p>Anyway, Lora, and after all too much verbiage, the reason I choose to continue to receive NewsMax is so that I can better understand the issues and know that whatever I might be able to contribute to the political process will consider the viewpoints of others even if solely be able to counter opposing positions</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Al Forget<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=634139', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-634088</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:35:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is karma vengeful ?
Was the destruction of the Hindu building &#039;bad&#039; karma ?

Cause and effect are not always easily interpreted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is karma vengeful ?<br />
Was the destruction of the Hindu building &#8216;bad&#8217; karma ?</p>
<p>Cause and effect are not always easily interpreted.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=634088', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
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		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:57:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing &#039;guides&#039; karma.  You&#039;re stuck in your box and cannot think outside of it.

And I don&#039;t believe in karma the way that you mean it.  It is a word that fits the natural inclinations of electrity (everything is composed of different forms of it).  

Karma is like magnets.  You know, the things that, without magic or guiding forces, attract to other metals?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet

There was a building in India that used magnets to make a large Hindu icon (they are not really gods the way Chrsitianity defines teh word) float.  The invading British, upon seeing this, believed it had to be witchcraft, and destroyed the building.  It was just magnets.

There are no gods.  The universe doesn&#039;t need a creator or a guider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing &#8216;guides&#8217; karma.  You&#8217;re stuck in your box and cannot think outside of it.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t believe in karma the way that you mean it.  It is a word that fits the natural inclinations of electrity (everything is composed of different forms of it).  </p>
<p>Karma is like magnets.  You know, the things that, without magic or guiding forces, attract to other metals?  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet</a></p>
<p>There was a building in India that used magnets to make a large Hindu icon (they are not really gods the way Chrsitianity defines teh word) float.  The invading British, upon seeing this, believed it had to be witchcraft, and destroyed the building.  It was just magnets.</p>
<p>There are no gods.  The universe doesn&#8217;t need a creator or a guider.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=633952', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-633564</link>
		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 02:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Al Forget,
I would be interested in knowing how NewsMax reacts--if at all--to your articulate message.  Last year I suddenly started receiving NewsMax on a computer I use only at a certain workplace no more than twice a week.  Like you, I read it for a while to get the other side&#039;s views.  But it seemed much too obsessed with Hillary even to myself--not particularly an admirer of hers.  Also, I didn&#039;t think I should clog up a computer that is not mine with such e-mail, so I tried to unsubscribe over a period of several days.  However, the &quot;unsubscribe&quot; click was never working, nor was NewsMax&#039;s most visible e-mail address.  I finally found another e-mail address that got through to them and also had to threaten to report them as spam, if they kept on sending me mailings.  Since then, I received one questionnaire from them, which I only responded to with another request to be taken off their e-mailing list.  I figure if I get curious about what they are saying I can always access their site on my own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Al Forget,<br />
I would be interested in knowing how NewsMax reacts&#8211;if at all&#8211;to your articulate message.  Last year I suddenly started receiving NewsMax on a computer I use only at a certain workplace no more than twice a week.  Like you, I read it for a while to get the other side&#8217;s views.  But it seemed much too obsessed with Hillary even to myself&#8211;not particularly an admirer of hers.  Also, I didn&#8217;t think I should clog up a computer that is not mine with such e-mail, so I tried to unsubscribe over a period of several days.  However, the &#8220;unsubscribe&#8221; click was never working, nor was NewsMax&#8217;s most visible e-mail address.  I finally found another e-mail address that got through to them and also had to threaten to report them as spam, if they kept on sending me mailings.  Since then, I received one questionnaire from them, which I only responded to with another request to be taken off their e-mailing list.  I figure if I get curious about what they are saying I can always access their site on my own.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=633564', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-633190</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 21:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 380 unbelievable:

You believe in &#039;karma&#039; don&#039;t you?
(Oh,poor taste on your part in this morning&#039;s Think-Fast).
Well,&#039;karma&#039; has to have a guiding force.

You only make comments like the easter bunny and others to draw out &#039;Antagonist&#039;.I think you like her attention-indeed any attention.

Again I ask: Who guides &#039;karma&#039;? A brainless universe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 380 unbelievable:</p>
<p>You believe in &#8216;karma&#8217; don&#8217;t you?<br />
(Oh,poor taste on your part in this morning&#8217;s Think-Fast).<br />
Well,&#8217;karma&#8217; has to have a guiding force.</p>
<p>You only make comments like the easter bunny and others to draw out &#8216;Antagonist&#8217;.I think you like her attention-indeed any attention.</p>
<p>Again I ask: Who guides &#8216;karma&#8217;? A brainless universe?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=633190', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
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		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 19:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Well,then,uh,youâ€™re so cold a witchâ€™s tit feels warm. 
Comment by Sybil â€” June 21, 2006 @ 12:51 pm &lt;/em&gt;

Witch?  Oh, that&#039;s right - you believe in absurd imaginary charcters like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and God...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Well,then,uh,youâ€™re so cold a witchâ€™s tit feels warm.<br />
Comment by Sybil â€” June 21, 2006 @ 12:51 pm </em></p>
<p>Witch?  Oh, that&#8217;s right &#8211; you believe in absurd imaginary charcters like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and God&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=633039', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: AlForget</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlForget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow or other I recently started receiving e-mail from an organization called NewsMax.  It was immediately obvious to me that their perspective is from the radical (extremely radical) right--but, in order to know my enemy (as it were), I decided to keep on receiving their garbage.

As regards their point of view regarding John Murtha, I sent them the following:

&lt;strong&gt;My comments to NEWSMAX in re John Murtha and Ann Coulter&lt;/strong&gt;

This service disabled U.S. Navy command master chief petty officer who served on active duty for over 30 years agrees with Congressman Murtha.

All too many who have never served in the military--not to mention a tremendous number of those who served but one tour and can relate only to their very limited experience as junior enlisteds or officers--just do not understand the purpose of our military.  Certainly defending the United States against enemies foreign and domestic is what military service is all about; but, it exists even more importantly to prevent war by being so ready to fight that potential enemies will, instead, chose diplomatic solutions to crises.  

Many in the Congress who voted to authorize the President to use military force against Iraq did so with the understanding (nay, assurance) that use of such force would be as a last resort.  Since the time of Teddy Roosevelt (remember, â€œSpeak softly but carry a big stickâ€.) that has been the understood circumstance under which we would send our troops to battle.  

Rather than deploying our military might when diplomatic efforts had been exhausted and the ongoing inspection regime had investigated the suspicions that Iraq had or was developing weapons of mass destructionâ€”the allegations of which have been totally disprovedâ€”the decision to invade Iraq was taken as a first rather than last possible action.

That our forces were sent in harmâ€™s way in Iraq based on either faulty intelligence or (as it appears) intelligence that was skewed or tailored to fit predetermined purposes is not only atrocious but criminal.

Who in the Pentagon or White House is willing to step up to the plate and admit responsibility for their mistakes which have thus far taken the lives of over 2,500 soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines and wounded and maimed over 18,000 others.  Those loss totals do not include persons under contract and most certainly give no consideration to the lives of innocents killed or injured in the fighting which by some estimates now well exceed 200,000 human beings.

Carl Rove is not worthy of my approbation and I must withhold it.  As to whether part of his anatomy is large, I must admit that his obvious pudginess reminds me of the Pillsbury Doughboy.  

Should I assume that Rove might not have been physically qualified to serve in the military; or should I conclude that he, along with so many others in the Administration, simply did everything possible to avoid service?

My Kudos go to John Murtha.  Bravo Zulu Congressman.

As an aside:  It is but small wonder that your survey regarding approval or disapproval of Ms. Coulter was 85% approval and 15% disapproval.  When a poll is administered to a partisan group of adherents to a political position--which, given the tenor of much of what NewsMax reports as news, the results cannot help but be slanted.  Such is the case here.  The &quot;rabid&quot; obviously support the rabid Ms. Coulter.

Al Forget
Command master chief petty officer USN (retired)
Toledo, WA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow or other I recently started receiving e-mail from an organization called NewsMax.  It was immediately obvious to me that their perspective is from the radical (extremely radical) right&#8211;but, in order to know my enemy (as it were), I decided to keep on receiving their garbage.</p>
<p>As regards their point of view regarding John Murtha, I sent them the following:</p>
<p><strong>My comments to NEWSMAX in re John Murtha and Ann Coulter</strong></p>
<p>This service disabled U.S. Navy command master chief petty officer who served on active duty for over 30 years agrees with Congressman Murtha.</p>
<p>All too many who have never served in the military&#8211;not to mention a tremendous number of those who served but one tour and can relate only to their very limited experience as junior enlisteds or officers&#8211;just do not understand the purpose of our military.  Certainly defending the United States against enemies foreign and domestic is what military service is all about; but, it exists even more importantly to prevent war by being so ready to fight that potential enemies will, instead, chose diplomatic solutions to crises.  </p>
<p>Many in the Congress who voted to authorize the President to use military force against Iraq did so with the understanding (nay, assurance) that use of such force would be as a last resort.  Since the time of Teddy Roosevelt (remember, â€œSpeak softly but carry a big stickâ€.) that has been the understood circumstance under which we would send our troops to battle.  </p>
<p>Rather than deploying our military might when diplomatic efforts had been exhausted and the ongoing inspection regime had investigated the suspicions that Iraq had or was developing weapons of mass destructionâ€”the allegations of which have been totally disprovedâ€”the decision to invade Iraq was taken as a first rather than last possible action.</p>
<p>That our forces were sent in harmâ€™s way in Iraq based on either faulty intelligence or (as it appears) intelligence that was skewed or tailored to fit predetermined purposes is not only atrocious but criminal.</p>
<p>Who in the Pentagon or White House is willing to step up to the plate and admit responsibility for their mistakes which have thus far taken the lives of over 2,500 soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines and wounded and maimed over 18,000 others.  Those loss totals do not include persons under contract and most certainly give no consideration to the lives of innocents killed or injured in the fighting which by some estimates now well exceed 200,000 human beings.</p>
<p>Carl Rove is not worthy of my approbation and I must withhold it.  As to whether part of his anatomy is large, I must admit that his obvious pudginess reminds me of the Pillsbury Doughboy.  </p>
<p>Should I assume that Rove might not have been physically qualified to serve in the military; or should I conclude that he, along with so many others in the Administration, simply did everything possible to avoid service?</p>
<p>My Kudos go to John Murtha.  Bravo Zulu Congressman.</p>
<p>As an aside:  It is but small wonder that your survey regarding approval or disapproval of Ms. Coulter was 85% approval and 15% disapproval.  When a poll is administered to a partisan group of adherents to a political position&#8211;which, given the tenor of much of what NewsMax reports as news, the results cannot help but be slanted.  Such is the case here.  The &#8220;rabid&#8221; obviously support the rabid Ms. Coulter.</p>
<p>Al Forget<br />
Command master chief petty officer USN (retired)<br />
Toledo, WA<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=632819', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-632648</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,then,uh,you&#039;re so cold a witch&#039;s tit feels warm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,then,uh,you&#8217;re so cold a witch&#8217;s tit feels warm.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=632648', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-632206</link>
		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 12:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re so cold that antartica feels like a sunny beach reort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re so cold that antartica feels like a sunny beach reort.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=632206', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-631961</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 05:45:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description># 375:

No.
But I am digging out the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p># 375:</p>
<p>No.<br />
But I am digging out the truth.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=631961', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-631765</link>
		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sybil,

Don&#039;t you have a bone to go bury or a car to go chase?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sybil,</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you have a bone to go bury or a car to go chase?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=631765', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lora</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 23:22:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#351 moonat/chris
Thanks for your kind words.  But I&#039;ve seldom suffered from severe pain for quite a while now.  I have personally found acupuncture to be the most effective treatment for it, however I realize this isn&#039;t good for everyone.  Still, if you have a reputable acunpuncturist in your vicinity, I recommend you give it a try.  I can also understand why people want to take painkillers or use medical marijuana.  
What I didn&#039;t like about RL is his hypocritical condemnation of people using drugs, all the while he himelf had become addicted himself (though they were presription drugs).  Mrs. John McCain also had become addicted to prescription drugs, but at least she kept her mouth shut about others.  
Anyway, I hope your residual pain eases off the way mine has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#351 moonat/chris<br />
Thanks for your kind words.  But I&#8217;ve seldom suffered from severe pain for quite a while now.  I have personally found acupuncture to be the most effective treatment for it, however I realize this isn&#8217;t good for everyone.  Still, if you have a reputable acunpuncturist in your vicinity, I recommend you give it a try.  I can also understand why people want to take painkillers or use medical marijuana.<br />
What I didn&#8217;t like about RL is his hypocritical condemnation of people using drugs, all the while he himelf had become addicted himself (though they were presription drugs).  Mrs. John McCain also had become addicted to prescription drugs, but at least she kept her mouth shut about others.<br />
Anyway, I hope your residual pain eases off the way mine has.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=631598', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sybil</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-631191</link>
		<dc:creator>Sybil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 20:03:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#369 Antagonist:

Take heart,there are others out here who know how unbelievable is and how she debates.And that number is growing.
She has a small cadre of syncophants that she knows exactly how to stroke.
You really should ignore her--she is miserable and she knows it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#369 Antagonist:</p>
<p>Take heart,there are others out here who know how unbelievable is and how she debates.And that number is growing.<br />
She has a small cadre of syncophants that she knows exactly how to stroke.<br />
You really should ignore her&#8211;she is miserable and she knows it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=631191', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-630954</link>
		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 18:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Youâ€™ve managed to assign your own meaning to virtually everything I have said. &lt;/em&gt;

Nope - the reverse.  It was you who started off on that foot and never can get off of it.

&lt;em&gt;I can only shake my head at your inability to process information. &lt;/em&gt;

More condescention.  You think you are better than me.  So typical with you absolutists.  You wonder why we avoid you.

&lt;em&gt;You keep hurling your anti-religeous accusations at a strawmanâ€”a caricatureâ€”bitâ€™s and pieces that youâ€™ve cobbled together that donâ€™t even remotely represent anything that any religious person believes. &lt;/em&gt;

Again - more opinion from you and not one single fact or information about the strawman you keep building and defending.

I&#039;m not making up strawmen.  Most Christians are hypocrites.  The statistics of percent show more of your kind in prison than mine and validate my assertions.  You just can&#039;t see it because you don&#039;t want to see it.  &quot;Blaming the Devil&quot; makes you have to find devils.  Silly really - and a horribly stressful way to live.

&lt;em&gt;What can I say to someone who turns every statement on its head? &lt;/em&gt;

What do people normally say to you?

&lt;em&gt;You have my pity. 
Comment by Antagonist â€” June 20, 2006 @ 12:37 pm &lt;/em&gt;

Keep it.  I neither need nor want it.  

You are not better than me as your actions repeatedly show.

Here&#039;s a bit of unsolicited advice for you - if you don&#039;t like what I have to say - don&#039;t read my posts.  I rarely read yours.  I can&#039;t stand the patronizing, holier-than-thou way you insult people.  Get a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Youâ€™ve managed to assign your own meaning to virtually everything I have said. </em></p>
<p>Nope &#8211; the reverse.  It was you who started off on that foot and never can get off of it.</p>
<p><em>I can only shake my head at your inability to process information. </em></p>
<p>More condescention.  You think you are better than me.  So typical with you absolutists.  You wonder why we avoid you.</p>
<p><em>You keep hurling your anti-religeous accusations at a strawmanâ€”a caricatureâ€”bitâ€™s and pieces that youâ€™ve cobbled together that donâ€™t even remotely represent anything that any religious person believes. </em></p>
<p>Again &#8211; more opinion from you and not one single fact or information about the strawman you keep building and defending.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not making up strawmen.  Most Christians are hypocrites.  The statistics of percent show more of your kind in prison than mine and validate my assertions.  You just can&#8217;t see it because you don&#8217;t want to see it.  &#8220;Blaming the Devil&#8221; makes you have to find devils.  Silly really &#8211; and a horribly stressful way to live.</p>
<p><em>What can I say to someone who turns every statement on its head? </em></p>
<p>What do people normally say to you?</p>
<p><em>You have my pity.<br />
Comment by Antagonist â€” June 20, 2006 @ 12:37 pm </em></p>
<p>Keep it.  I neither need nor want it.  </p>
<p>You are not better than me as your actions repeatedly show.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a bit of unsolicited advice for you &#8211; if you don&#8217;t like what I have to say &#8211; don&#8217;t read my posts.  I rarely read yours.  I can&#8217;t stand the patronizing, holier-than-thou way you insult people.  Get a clue.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=630954', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Antagonist</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-630829</link>
		<dc:creator>Antagonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That was gross Nick! Why would you put Rove&#039;s face on your picture?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was gross Nick! Why would you put Rove&#8217;s face on your picture?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=630829', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Nick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who require photographic evidence, here&#039;s a link to a photo of Karl Rove, sprawled out on his fat backside, planning GOP strategy:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/CoolOnion/roveplanningstrategy.jpg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who require photographic evidence, here&#8217;s a link to a photo of Karl Rove, sprawled out on his fat backside, planning GOP strategy:<br />
<a href="http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/CoolOnion/roveplanningstrategy.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y17/CoolOnion/roveplanningstrategy.jpg</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=630787', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Antagonist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Antagonist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unbelievable,

You&#039;ve managed to assign your own meaning to virtually everything I have said. I can only shake my head at your inability to process information. You keep hurling your anti-religeous accusations at a strawman---a caricature---bit&#039;s and pieces that you&#039;ve cobbled together that don&#039;t even remotely represent anything that any religious person believes. What can I say to someone who turns every statement on its head? You have my pity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unbelievable,</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve managed to assign your own meaning to virtually everything I have said. I can only shake my head at your inability to process information. You keep hurling your anti-religeous accusations at a strawman&#8212;a caricature&#8212;bit&#8217;s and pieces that you&#8217;ve cobbled together that don&#8217;t even remotely represent anything that any religious person believes. What can I say to someone who turns every statement on its head? You have my pity.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=630678', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: unbelievable</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/18/murtha-rove/comment-page-7/#comment-630660</link>
		<dc:creator>unbelievable</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jun 2006 16:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Something is different with herâ€”she used to be friendly&lt;/em&gt;

Nothing is different.  Stop watching Desperate Housewives.  People don&#039;t change.  I haven&#039;t changed.  I&#039;ve always been open about being an Atheist - from day one.  That&#039;s nothing new.  

&lt;em&gt;. Perhaps she needs an intervention, I think liberals look very favorably on theseâ€¦ 
Comment by Antagonist â€” June 20, 2006 @ 12:14 pm &lt;/em&gt;

Perhaps you need to stop thinking you are better than me and therefore have some right to dictate how I should live my life.  I didn&#039;t ask for your input.  And I certainly don&#039;t want to be anything like you.  You&#039;ve always been contentious and hypocritical.

The people who have a problem with me are those on the fringe of both the left and the right.  It&#039;s not the way you describe at all.  The left 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists hate me as much as your Jesus Freaks do.  Most everyone else has no problem with me.  Not that I, like you, worry about it.  I don&#039;t fret over things I cannot control.  And the only thing I control is myself - whom I like just fine the way I am.

So, thank you very much for your unsolicited melodrama, but please, don&#039;t waste your time.  I like myself.  Clearly, it&#039;s who I&#039;ve chosen to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Something is different with herâ€”she used to be friendly</em></p>
<p>Nothing is different.  Stop watching Desperate Housewives.  People don&#8217;t change.  I haven&#8217;t changed.  I&#8217;ve always been open about being an Atheist &#8211; from day one.  That&#8217;s nothing new.  </p>
<p><em>. Perhaps she needs an intervention, I think liberals look very favorably on theseâ€¦<br />
Comment by Antagonist â€” June 20, 2006 @ 12:14 pm </em></p>
<p>Perhaps you need to stop thinking you are better than me and therefore have some right to dictate how I should live my life.  I didn&#8217;t ask for your input.  And I certainly don&#8217;t want to be anything like you.  You&#8217;ve always been contentious and hypocritical.</p>
<p>The people who have a problem with me are those on the fringe of both the left and the right.  It&#8217;s not the way you describe at all.  The left 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists hate me as much as your Jesus Freaks do.  Most everyone else has no problem with me.  Not that I, like you, worry about it.  I don&#8217;t fret over things I cannot control.  And the only thing I control is myself &#8211; whom I like just fine the way I am.</p>
<p>So, thank you very much for your unsolicited melodrama, but please, don&#8217;t waste your time.  I like myself.  Clearly, it&#8217;s who I&#8217;ve chosen to be.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=630660', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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