VIDEO: Cheney Reasserts That Iraqi Insurgency Entered Its ‘Last Throes’ In May 2005
VIDEO: Cheney Reasserts That Iraqi Insurgency Entered Its ‘Last Throes’ In May 2005
In May 2005, Vice President Cheney declared that the insurgency in Iraq was in its “last throes” and predicted “[t]he level of activity that we see today from a military standpoint, I think, will clearly decline.” Since that time, violence in Iraq has continued unabated.
Today at the National Press Club, Cheney was asked if he still believed that May 2005 was when the insurgency entered its “last throes.” He said he still did. Watch it:
Cheney tries to spin his previous comments as a prediction of political progress. Cheney now says he meant that May 2005 would be the beginning of a “series of events when the Iraqis increasingly took over responsibility for their own affairs.” Actually, Cheney predicted that violence in the country, from May 2005 on, “will clearly decline.”
Full transcript:
REPORTER: About a year ago, you said that the insurgency in Iraq was in its final throes. Do you still believe this?
CHENEY: I do. What I was referring to was the series of events that took place in 1995 [sic – 2005]. I think the key turning point when we get back 10 years from now, say, and look back on this period of time and with respect to the campaign in Iraq, will be that series of events when the Iraqis increasingly took over responsibility for their own affairs. And there I point to the election in January of ‘05 when we set up the interim government, the drafting of the constitution in the summer of ’05, the national referendum in the fall of ‘05 when the Iraqis overwhelmingly approved that constitution, and then the vote last December when some 12 million Iraqis in defiance of the car bombers and the terrorists went to the polls and voted in overwhelming numbers to set up a new government under that constitution. And that process of course has been completed recently with the appointment by Prime Minister Maliki of ministers to fill those jobs. I think that will have been from a historical turning point, the period that we’ll be able to look at and say, that’s when we turned the corner, that’s when we began to get a handle on the long-term future of Iraq.
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Cheney was wrong. Anything else to add?
June 19th, 2006 at 2:31 pmHe’s just a “Big Picture” guy, since this war is lasting for many years, “last throes” could be 2-3 years. Since the quote “last throes” is subjective, here we go with all the different definitions of what he meant.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:33 pmCheney philisophy: if the lie didn’t work, confuse the issue by confounding and adding to the lie. The truth would be too easy.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:34 pm#1 Yeah,
Like, he’s usually wrong, we don’t like him (or you), and this is one more example of how the administration has mislead the public regarding the war.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:35 pmThis is one f&&*ING Moron, just like his stupid dummy Bush that sits on his knee and flaps his yap.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:35 pmPretty standard tactic.
Make a cheery statement, such as the war will only take a few months, the war won’t cost us a thing, the wmd’s are somwhere north, east south, west, of baghdad and Tikrit, etc……
When statements don’t pan out recast what was said originally to make it sound like you didn’t mean it, or meant something else.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:36 pmThe Insurgency is stronger than ever before and will get stronger thats the reality face up to it and leave like Bush has been asked to twice ( once in the face) and Blair in the face also
BUSH AND THE NEOCONS ARE THE AXIS OF EVIL
June 19th, 2006 at 2:37 pmRe: Seixon #1 Oh, if only he was “wrong”. He was spinning then, he’s spinning now, and he’ll spin next month or year or decade. He’s trying to string along the American public with nice-sounding platitudes. Unfortunately, this works with many of our citizenry.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:39 pmHow well could Seixon do in a debate where citations, research, have no relavance? Seixon, yes you know how to do your homework, but what if your homework had nothing to do with a particular debate? Being a busy body doesn’t always work.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:40 pmHey, anyone got a name on the next straw man in Iraq?
June 19th, 2006 at 2:40 pmAsk the 23 and 25 year old captives about last throes.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:42 pmDick Cheney thinks that we are all a bunch of ignorant fools. How much longer must we suffer this nonsense?
June 19th, 2006 at 2:46 pmFor Truth,
You mean how would I do in a shouting match? :P
June 19th, 2006 at 2:48 pmQuite well actually. It’s what happens when I outmatch someone completely and they have nothing to back up any of their opinions. Then they start shouting. Or asking me why I am in Norway. Or making up things about me. Kind of like here at TP!
#9
June 19th, 2006 at 2:51 pmI have seen no evidence that Seixon can do his homework. He tends to argue without giving references for his facts.
Seixon, I am glad that you admit that Cheney was wrong. However since he was wrong about this, what else is he wrong about? Cheney is unable to grasp that he could be wrong and was wrong, which seems to indicate mental problems.
Today is the first day in the last throes of Dick Cheney’s life.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:54 pmWell, Cheney’s hung in there even though he was in his last throes before the first election of Bush. Now it’s just question of which one can hang on longer.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:54 pmHe doesn’t care he is wrong, as long as, media and us continue to buy and continue to live it. Is he going to get fired or jailed for his lies? Is he going to be financially ruined for his lies? Does he care about history or his Vice-presidential history or legacy? Perhaps, he does if we actually become police state. Then, he’ll be remembered as the architect of it.
June 19th, 2006 at 2:58 pmJudd,
Do stories like the one below upset you?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1799050,00.html
June 19th, 2006 at 2:58 pmNo.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:00 pmHe just can’t say he was wrong. The electronic waves from his stainless steel heart have permanently altered his brain waves.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:00 pmHe was right then, he is right now – just ask him again next year – he’ll be right then too.
Ask him what is the plan to get us out of Iraq.
Aside from “stay the course” which is a euphemism for “stay and die”.
What is the plan? What is the mission?
5 deferment dick,need i say more.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:02 pmCheney is insane.
Up is down, black is white, and Iraq is free and democratic. And safe, yes, lets not forget how safe it is there.
Iraq has gotten worse since May 20th, 2003. So has much of Afghanistan. And we are paying through the nose in American lives and money for these incompetent assholes?
June 19th, 2006 at 3:04 pmSure. The angry little man is wrong now, but wait 10 years.
There is no money in shame so cheney has no use for it. 820 dead and 5300 wounded U.S. service members and over $100 billion since the king of chicken hawks said last throes.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:06 pmIt’s NOT a lie if someone gave you incorrect information that you asked for and you hold your fingers over your ears and loudly sing “La La La La Laaaaa– I can’t hear what you’re saying, La La La La Laaaaa, I can’t hear youuuuuu, La La La La Laaaaa, Is he gone yet, Dick? La La La La Laaaaaa, Saddam dissed my Daddy, La La La La Laaaaaa, I can’t hear youuuuuu, Do Be Do Be Doooooo, Get The Hell Out of My Office, La La Laaaaaaa!” when they mention evidence to the contrary or doubts about the veracity of the evidence!! Any fifth-grader can tell you that!!
June 19th, 2006 at 3:07 pmmilbog, that’s very good news. is this the proof of “last throes II?”
June 19th, 2006 at 3:10 pmOld man is going down !!! Never saw Cheney look so bad— a that hacking cough !!
Over/under: 10 months till cheney goes down !!!!
June 19th, 2006 at 3:10 pmhow did he ever get to become vice president?
June 19th, 2006 at 3:11 pmP_M:
Cheney is most definitely notinsane…he, like the rest of the current administration, is cold, calculating, and devious. He strung us along with a lie a year ago, and he’s doing the same thing now. Why? Because it worked a year ago, and there’s no reason to believe it won’t work now. Remember, this ‘long war’ isn’t supposed to end…only by maintaining the country on a constant war footing can Dubya & Company continue to push the wholesale violation of our civil rights down our throats.
The fighting won’t end abroad until it begins and ends at home.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:11 pmCheney has been sleep alot so that explains what he missed. If he could stay awake long enough he would know exactly what’s really going on. Cheney stays awake only long enough to get Halliburton contracts signed notice that 600 per cent increase right under the taxpayers nose. Then it’s down time but just a little fun with the ladies of course it helps him to have the little blue pill. Let’s hope that Cheney continues to wake up after those so many naps or with his conduct on earth with stealing torture and sending kids to die for oil Cheney might have a home in hell.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:13 pmWhen you hear Cheney’s assurances of an insurgency in its last throes, think Kenny Boy and assurances of Enron’s solvency.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:13 pmCheney is not looking too good these days. Congestive heart failure is catching up to him
June 19th, 2006 at 3:17 pmthe truth is cheney doesn’t give a damn when it ends so long as he and his buddies keep stuffing their pockets with blood-soaked profits. cheney is a disgusting war criminal of the worst order. an evil sociopathic pig unrivaled in the world since the days of hitler and stalin.
this cretin should be locked up and the key trown away.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:22 pmCheney’s answer:
June 19th, 2006 at 3:22 pm‘Yes, I AM a War Criminal . . . . I will be resigning my post as ”No Bid Contract Bloodhound for Halliburton / KBR” forthwith.
However, for all of the death, destruction, injury, untold anguish, suffering and debt that I have caused The United States citizens and the people of other countries, I do not feel regret. As money is all that I really think about.’
Yeah, he’s a mendacious lying sack of shit who shoots old men in the face.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:24 pmAh, so “last throes” = get a handle on the situation. Thank you for clearing that up. Why does every statement that sounds clear and concise at the time it is uttered need clarification later? Because untruths can’t stand the test of time.
My greatest hope is that HAVA hasn’t so clouded the people’s voices that we can get our country back in the hands of sane and intelligent leadership.
Peace
June 19th, 2006 at 3:27 pmThat should be “Cheney IS wrong.” You see, he reiterated that he was correct, so, if he WAS wrong and he reiterated it, the that means he IS still wrong.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:30 pmRummie: “I doubt it will take six weeks.”
June 19th, 2006 at 3:31 pmOh how I long for the simple days of “It depends what the meaning of the word ‘is’, is.”
You see, no one died when Clinton parsed his words.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:36 pmDid you notice the shortened question segment-can’t stand up to much persistant questioning. Oh yeah, did you catch the answer to press disclosures harming security–”someone wrote something about something and 5 days later terrorists had a way of overcoming something on their website”-nothing like a specific example!
June 19th, 2006 at 3:36 pmCheney is in his last throes. He’s always speaking of himself.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:37 pmHe was wrong. And I will add to that. He was wrong and he refuses to admit he was wrong. Refuses to admit any past failures. There’s no credibility there. And no leadership.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:37 pmAnd when I say its in its last throes I mean that in many years from now, probably after we are al dead and gone, our neo-con way of thinking will have made this planet a better place to live for your descendants. Ya, just gotta trust me on this one.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:42 pm#40
Keep clinging to that mantra “No one died when Clinton lied” if it makes you feel better, however, try telling that to the 3000 families who lost loved ones on 9/11. They didn’t volunteer or sign up for the mission. They were victoms of an evil attack on this country. Those who died in Iraq volunteered to protect this country and did so for your freedom, which you obviously do not appreciate.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:44 pmCheney is a liar. Is this supposed to be news? Tell me when a truthful word passes his lips.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:49 pmIt works for Tom Friedman, so why not? He’ll probably say the same thing next year, and the year after. (If he’s not impeached by then.)
June 19th, 2006 at 3:52 pmMilbog #45 What does Clinton lying about a sexual affair have to do with 9/11? Is there ANYTHING that you don’t connect to 9/11? I supported our going into Afghanistan against Osama Bin Laden, a justified response to 9/11, that we have lost in this totally asine war in Iraq. I have to wonder, is it possible that Osama and company escalated their actions against the U.S. after Bush was elected because they knew he would respond the way he did and they wanted that response to bolster their cause? This is a reasonable assumption (maybe more so) than linking 9/11 with Iraq and everything else!
June 19th, 2006 at 3:53 pm[...] You can watch the video of Cheney’s speech at the Press Club here courtesy of Think Progress. [...]
June 19th, 2006 at 3:54 pmIf anyone actually sees Mary Cheney on her book tour, here’s a useful question to ask- “Has your father ever admitted he was wrong?” About anything, ever, even so small as who last took the garbage out. My bet’s on never, next being ridiculously rarely.
It’s a common male affliction, in this case helping to cause the deaths of thousands of people.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:57 pmThis guy is a dangerous calculating liar who is hurting our country. Will anyone stand up to him?
June 19th, 2006 at 3:58 pmYes, #1, let’s add to that. It was a stupid thing to say in the first place. He wasn’t just “wrong” he was proving that, after three years, he is still completely delusional about this war. He doesn’t have a clue how to win it, and his only hope is that the insurgency will just give up soon. If he had any evidence of that, we’d all know about it, don’t you think?
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June 19th, 2006 at 3:58 pm“Dick” Cheney is beginning to look like the portrait of himself he hides in the attic.
June 19th, 2006 at 3:59 pm#7 You are totaly correct…..Our own govt. is the axis of evil….#22 my thoughts are… the mission is a total distruction of our constitution and civil rights. Pure power, dominance and entire sell off of the U,S,A to saudi arabia and or big bushco business…Fill the publics heads full of lies, hate. fear and sound bites while this bunch steals it all and sells it or gives away to their buddies. They have all become insane with greed and untill they have it all or our country collapses they will not stop…….Hit the ground running citizens, get out you signs and walking shoes…..Stop the war’s, cut off the power hungry. start marching, I am…
June 19th, 2006 at 4:04 pm#45: Is everyhitng Clinton’s fault? For Christ-Sakes get over it! Bush ingnored the memo stating Terrosists were going to Attck using planes. Bush lied about WMD, Bush lied about no one coul dhave known…(fill in the blank, since the use that one often)
June 19th, 2006 at 4:07 pmWhat Cheney’s really saying is: It’s the beginning of the beginning of the end of the terrorist movement.
June 19th, 2006 at 4:07 pmCheney was wrong. Anything else to add?
Yeah, a year later and he’s still wrong.
June 19th, 2006 at 4:16 pmI wish we were in the “final throes” of impeachment proceedings against all these suckers.
June 19th, 2006 at 4:16 pmLooks like Cheney might be betting on the dollar being in its last throes, too.
Cheney mum, but his money talks
June 19th, 2006 at 4:32 pmhttp://www.palmbeachpost.com/opinion/content/opinion/epaper/2006/06/18/m10a_blackburncol_0619.html
#45….
You keep using 9/11 just like your warped heroes do. And the 3000 families who lost loved ones… well, I’m failry certain that when the POTUS decides to skip reading his PDB homework so he can go on a really rad Texas vacation doesn’t sit too well.
Also, gotta tell ya chief… I totally appreciate the job that the soldiers are doing, even though I thouroughly disagree with the mission. But know this… they are NOT fighting for my freedom. That freedom was granted to me by my creator and by little known documents called the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
I’d argue that my freedoms, and yours as well, have been shattered, completely disrespected, and not by any attack on this country by terra-ists, but by those who believe our Founding Fathers didn’t know what they were talking about (and dont gimme that post-911 world bullcrap either).
I support the troops, period… not the mission, not the Commander in Chief, not the administration, nor any of the obviously flawed and deeply suspicious motives and actions taken by a government run amock.
So don’t tell me what I do and do not appreciate and certainly dont pull that lame “fighting for your freedom” stuff anymore, I’m tired of hearing ditto-heads who cant think this stuff through on their own repeating the same feel-good slogans over and over that mean nothing.
Freedumb.
June 19th, 2006 at 4:34 pmJune 19th, 2006 at 4:37 pm
The mission in Iraq had nothing to do with Iraq
June 19th, 2006 at 4:45 pmor Hussein. It has everything to do with PNAC
and Zionists.
Dick, you really are a Dick.
Comment by milbog
June 19th, 2006 at 4:51 pmWho was in US presidency at 9/11? Who spent 7 minutes reading backwards in a children class while 2 planes were crashed against buildings? Before 9/11 I didnt see any american citizen with shacles on their feet, so no one needed to be free. You already were free; thus, what freedom are you talking about? Are you free because you are destroying a country apart? In fact, I suspect you are more restless now than before, and your words just show how afraid you are about that “evilness” that, of course, you can not define or point at. That is the beauty of axiological concepts. Newsflash…your freedom is nothing but a nice scam so others can take profits from the blood of your people. And you are too dumb to see that.
The more ominous part of Cheney’s speech was his admission that he believes the 1973 War Powers Resolution is unconstitutional. Forget any need to get congressional approval for war in the future. I posted it here:
http://hotpotatomash.com
June 19th, 2006 at 4:54 pmWay off topic, but what’s happening to Al Gore’s movie, an Inconvenient Truth? It looks like its beginning to stall. I at least thought it would have cleared $10M by now. I guess all of the moonbats have already gone to see it. I hope that he’s not too disappointed and still decides to run in ‘08.
June 19th, 2006 at 4:55 pmAnd just what is the meaning of the word “is” Mr. Cheney. I thought the adults were in charge, not the prevaricating spin doctors.
Besides, who would believe a man who shotgunned a 78 year old man in the face anyway.
-GSD
June 19th, 2006 at 4:59 pmCheney does not care if this war is in its last throes – that is just talk on his part. He has become an even wealthier man, thanks to this war, and will continue to a accumulate even more wealth as it continues. He is not interested in it ending any time soon.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:07 pmFor the past few years, I have thought it was a strong possibility that bin laden waited until Clinton was out of office and bush was in to strike the US. After all, Clinton is a very intilligent man who would have put serious though and research into any plan, as opposed to the play boy cheerleader from Yale who has never bothered to put much thought into anything but his vacation time, golf and cutting brush. Who would you want watching out for the US if you were going to try to pull off a major hit? Someone with real intelligence, or someone who made it through college by the skin of his teeth and thanks to dad’s money?
I have to wonder, is it possible that Osama and company escalated their actions against the U.S. after Bush was elected because they knew he would respond the way he did and they wanted that response to bolster their cause?
June 19th, 2006 at 5:09 pmComment by PLC (Patriotic Liberal Christian) —
I know you are a person with good intentions, but I think you are naive enough to think that Bin Laden is the enemy. Right now, the most probable thing is that Bin Laden lives in a Penthouse in 5th avenue, waiting for the CIA to tell him what to say in his next video so US citizens do not loose even for a minute the fear of being killed by “super-evil barbarians” Bin Laden´s family are well known to be close to the Bush family. War is about just one thing: making big bucks. Bin Laden and Bush are making them right now. Bush needed an enemy never to be found and Bin Laden to keep its hegemony in the Middle East. Will it hurt too much in your american christian heart to dare the question, what if Bush&Co planned 9/11? It is all about making big bucks. There are no enemies.
Comment by milbog — June 19, 2006 @ 4:55 pm
There’s another couple movies out there the past few weeks kicking off Summer “market the hell out of you simpletons” Tour ‘06.
This country has already proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that information really means nothing to them, that facts just don’t sell, and that interest in addressing life threatening issues is way down low on the priority scale right behind going to church and polishing the Hummer.
So gosh, I am so truly not shocked that zombie amurika ain’t interested in seeing anything that might throw off their Utopian view of the perfect world that Heir Farce One has created since ass ending to the throne in 2k.
Anyway, keep clinging to your BashAnyDem mantra. It’s reaaaaally attractive on you, and makes you seem way brighter than you actually are… in an Ann Coulter sorta way.
btw… Jeb is Heir Farce Two
June 19th, 2006 at 5:12 pmZookeeper - that’s good. Cheney as Dorian Gray. When his cold steel heart rusts him to death, we will see the ugly portrait manifested on his corpse.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:15 pmTo #73 Juan C If there’s evidence, I’d accept Bush & Co’s complicity in 9/11 – it’s just not there. I am not naive enough to accept Bush’s or your explanation of anything without evidence. I do think, however, that Bush & Co seemed stupid about the cultural, ethnic, religious issues involved in the U.S. relating to many factions in the area. That stupidity, at the very least, caused the administration to screw up the prosecution of the war. I’d also entertain the interpretation that they knew EXACTLY what would happen and took their action for their own imperialistic desires.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:28 pmI’d also entertain the interpretation that they knew EXACTLY what would happen and took their action for their own imperialistic desires.
Comment by PLC (Patriotic Liberal Christian) — June 19, 2006 @ 5:28 pm
Bingo… read PNAC’s “Statement of Principles” and notice its signees.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
June 19th, 2006 at 5:37 pmAnswer to milbog at #70
June 19th, 2006 at 5:55 pmActually, the gross for An Inconvenient Truth continues to accelerate. As an example, here is the box office gross from each Saturday since the film has been released: Sat May 27, $101,795; Sat Jun 3, $556,042; Sat Jun10, $620,872; Sat Jun 17, $738,242. The gross to date is nearly 7 million. Source: http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=daily&id=inconvenienttruth.htm
Come on guys, he had his fingers crossed last
time he said “last throes”.
This time it is the American armed forces who have
June 19th, 2006 at 6:00 pmtheir fingers crossed.
Army charges 3 GIs with murder in Iraq
1 hour, 44 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq
The U.S. Army has charged three soldiers in connection with the deaths of three Iraqis who were in military custody in northern Iraq last month, the military said Monday.
The Multinational Corps-Iraq said three members of 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division have been charged in connection with the deaths of three male detainees during an operation near Thar Thar Canal in northern Salahuddin province on May 9.
“A noncommissioned officer and two soldiers each have been charged with violating several articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice including murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, communicating a threat, and obstructing justice,” an announcement said
June 19th, 2006 at 6:18 pmWhoever coined the phrase “he speaks with a forked tongue” should have saved it for this guy.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:09 pmDoes *THIS* look like it’s been in its last throes to anyone?
http://www.conjur.com/politicsMedia/IraqiCivilianDeathsPerMonth.jpg
June 19th, 2006 at 7:12 pmBush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are actually hosts for aliens from the planet Klan-Dathu. Mission? Tank the U.S. military to prepare the way for an invasion from the Bug Planet (Klan-Dathu.)
Just putting it out there y’all.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:34 pmTalk about being disconnected from reality.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:43 pm5-deferment Dickhead wouldn’t know a “last throes” if it jabbed him squarely in the ass with a bayonet.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:55 pmImagine….collecting 200 + G’s a year of taxpayer monies and all ya have to do is publicly say the same sentence over and over every 9 months or so. Good Grief !!
June 19th, 2006 at 8:58 pmIsn’t it funny how every leading progressive website has its resident troll who jumps in within the first five comments? You have seixon here, the old I right I, etc. These guys live their lives on lefty sites making absurd arguments. Why is that?
June 19th, 2006 at 11:04 pmPost 87 > Seixon is paid by the GOP to post on TP! He also has a blog site that he hopes gullible people will hit on, but it probably spreads the NetBus virus to your PC! He claims to live in Norway, but never posts anything to prove it either!He also claims he voted for Gore in 2000 and Nader in 2004, but now defends Bush’s Iraq fiasco and he loves Karl Rove > lol.
June 19th, 2006 at 11:19 pmI got five bucks that says the insurgency will outlive Cheney.
June 19th, 2006 at 11:59 pmPlunger, your comments (#51 etc) are SPOT ON. They always intended to build military bases in Iraq. Further, and it appears that NOBODY talks about this, one of the key reasons for taking Iraq is the control of water. Turkey (with the aid of the US) has and is building 33 water installations and dams on the Euphrates River, the river that feeds Iraq.
Not only have the US starved, bombed, irradiated, ruined, plundered and raped Iraq (all on a mass of lies), but they are also going to dry it up. Turkey is set to become the bread basket of Europe through massive irrigation of the south eastern region and Iraq will become more and more like a prune.
Syria is losing water also, and the Syrians will start getting more and more angry. Still(!) no one speaks about water being a major issue in this war. I’ve been banging on about it for ages… do a Google search with these words “Tigris Euphrates Water Dispute” and read the papers about what’s going on in this very sad corner of the world.
So, it appears to me, as we’re mostly looking at the oil component of the why of this war, no one much is looking at the water component. It’s far more potent, IMHO.
Greetings from The Land Down Under (Australia)
June 20th, 2006 at 12:00 am#45:
You are an excellent example of the simplistic, smug, holier-than-thou embarassments that have absolutely DISGRACED the Republican Party that I joined (and of which I am still a member). However, being an actual Texan, unlike your alcoholic, cocaine-abusing, false-Christian, spoiled rich-bitch, “food on your family” Connecticut-born jackass, I knew that Duh-Buh-Yuh had absolutely ZERO political experience that qualified him for presidential duty and was elected solely because of his name. Do you know anything about the Texas political structure? Of course you don’t; I’m assuming that you would respond that it’s “not your job” to verify the credentials of an obvious moron before you hump the proverbial leg of a flawed political structure and gleefully cast your vote, feeling so good about yourself because you think it really makes a difference. Heck, any reputable employer would verify the work history and detailed work experience of a potential employee who would hold an important position, but ignorant Bush leg-humpers like yourself were satisfied with ridiculously little information. I’ll keep it simple, since typical Bush supporters routinely get confused with anything more complex than an episode of “American Idol.” In the Texas political system, the governor has the absolute LEAST authority when it comes to dealing with legislation, state fiscal matters, or basically anything else, aside from handling appeals from inmates on the state Death Row. Which is ironic, since most of the ignorant, uninformed Texans who, for some ungodly reason, still support Bush, complain about “Yankees” moving to Texas, when it was a “Yankee” who gleefully executed record-breaking numbers of Texans. So aside from this morbid “toy” that Cokie (Bush) coveted, his power in Texas government was virtually nil; basically the equivalent of the power of the British monarchy (nil) compared to the British Parliament, when concerning the actual governing of Great Britain. The most power in Texas government is concentrated in the LIEUTENANT governor (ironically, due to historical instances of incompetence and corruption in the office of the governor), and the Texas Legislature. It would not be far-fetched to summarize that all Bush did as governor was sign bills (completely initiated, debated, and written solely by the Texas Legislature) and deny clemency appeals. I laughed when Bush boasted that he had signed an unprecendented number of bills into law during his first term, making it seem like he “worked hard” to get a “lot of work done.” Yeah, well, practically all of those bills were already well into the legislative process before Cokie “played governor.” In a nutshell, there are more city council members, mayors, or hell, even city dog catchers in this state who had more political experience to qualify them for the presidency than Cokie.
June 20th, 2006 at 12:40 amHowever, what I loved most about your post is how you moronically said that the soldiers dying in Iraq for “Bush’s War” did so defending our freedom. I fail to see how logistically the soldiers are defending our freedom in another country halfway across the planet. You are truly brain-washed. The last time American soldiers trully defended our nation’s freedom was in the AMERICAN REVOLUTION, you moron! Are you trying to imply that Iraq was planning an attack to overthrow the American government and impose Hussein as its dictator? THAT’S THE ONLY SCENARIO IN WHICH SAYING OUR TROOPS INVADING IRAQ TO “DEFEND AMERICA’S FREEDOM” IS EVEN REMOTELY PLAUSIBLE! Otherwise, it’s a gross display of imperialism and a vindictive action by a spoiled little bit¢h-boy who actually said, “after all, this is a man [Hussein] who at one time tried to kill my dad.” Yep, now that is definitely world-leader class. Bush himself admitted (after his invasion, of course) that he “had no evidence” of a connection between Iraq and 9/11, and has since also admitted having no evidence between Hussein and al-Qaeda. But don’t worry, for stupid Bush-sheeple like you, all Bush and Dick have to say is “oops” and you’ll forgive them. Over 2,000 U.S. soldiers have died for nothing. Sectarian violence in Iraq will most likely ensure that a real, free democracy in Iraq will never happen (even though “freeing” the Iraqi people was not the reason for the invasion, no matter how much Cokie and Dick employ Goebbels-esque media tactics). It’s funny how Dick and Cokie consider answering missing-WMD questions “backward, not forward-looking” when it was their SOLE (false) justification for invading another country that imposed absolutely NO threat to us. You support the troops by bringing them home as soon as possible since you fu¢ked them over by sending them over there in the first place for your personal vendetta (and for oil). To this day, our troops do not have the equipment they need in Iraq. I don’t see Bush giving a flying fu¢k about that. So, who supports the troops, a$$hole, those of us who would never lie them into war and want them home because they never should’ve been there in the first place, or simpleton “talking points” parrots such as yourself who want to honor fallen soldiers by ensuring more soldiers die? Worst of all, Bush himself was responsible for starting this war, and his incompetence (as well as that of his cabinet) ensured such pi$$-poor war planning that he gave al-Qaeda something they couldn’t do on their own: obtain an ENTIRE COUNTRY for free-range terrorist breeding and training. So Bush’s mantra of the “war on terror” entails fighting terrorists by creating more terrorists. And you STILL support that dry-drunk, cokehead, false-Christian disgracing the nation. Therefore, you are a disgrace as well. Case closed.
dick cheney has served in three presidential administrations, hasn’t he? At what point will he be asked, “If you couldn’t have foreseen this debacle, who could have?” Yet many of us could see where all of this was leading, and here we are.
When might America wake up? We’ve been played, and to what purpose?
June 20th, 2006 at 3:15 amI’m surprised he didn’t break out in song ” Somewhere over the rainbow….”
June 20th, 2006 at 8:12 amResponding to the comment by Cocaine Chimp: Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! It is only people like you that make the Republican party appear to have a chance of making it in the next 20 years. Your objectivity towards an imperialistic prick give me hope. Thank you!
June 20th, 2006 at 9:02 am#91 Great post……..Thank’s
June 20th, 2006 at 9:27 amAfter reading #91 — perhaps there are still some honest, thinking republicans.
June 20th, 2006 at 9:44 amWhen the American masses stop feeding their faces full of McDonalds, when they are done snorting their meth, when they are done buying their over-priced gas-guzzling H2 Hummers using their home equity, when they believe Iraq has ties with 911, when they have watched FOX news and convinced themselves they have really watched the news — that’s when the EMPIRE is on the steep slope of a steep decline. Cheney is merely helping the rich pick up the pieces, so they can take their agenda globally. A little lie here, another there — in the scheme of things, what;s it matter? America is already LOST.
June 20th, 2006 at 9:44 amI think I am going to make time to see “Frontline” tonight, as they explore the dark side of Cheney.
June 20th, 2006 at 9:45 amDamn, #91, you rock.
Cheney lives in his own “Green Zone”. He liked it so much, he exported it.
June 20th, 2006 at 9:55 amThe Vice-President is a liar. Plain and simple. How many young Americans must die before people wake up and understand that Iraq is about oil and military occupation.
June 20th, 2006 at 2:08 pmBush and Cheney care more about the military industrial complex than middle class America. Wake up!! Your sons and daughters are being used as cannon fodder!!
i’ve seen a number of posts that refer to cheney as a ‘moron’ or whatever. i think this totally mischaracterizes him. morons dont get to the top like he has. it is a mad-scientist genious intellect that we should be worried about. yeah, i would imagine if any ‘moron’ titles should be administered, it would be rationed among the national media whom would never have the balls to say ‘you know, we know what you meant when you said last throes, and you were wrong. stop playing us for fools!’ the difference between us and them, is that we respect values like honesty and integrity, and they dont know that.
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