Cheney Falsely Claims No One ‘Anticipated The Level Of Violence’ In Iraq
Cheney Falsely Claims No One ‘Anticipated The Level Of Violence’ In Iraq
Today in a speech at the National Press Club, Vice President Dick Cheney claimed that no one predicted the violent insurgency that has now taken root in Iraq:
MODERATOR: Do you think that you underestimated the insurgency’s strength?
CHENEY: I think so. I guess if I look back on it now, I don’t think anybody anticipated the level of violence that we have encountered.
But Cheney’s statement isn’t true. Many analysts did anticipate extensive violence.
– “The longer a U.S. occupation of Iraq continues, the more danger exists that elements of the Iraqi population will become impatient and take violent measures to hasten the departure of U.S. forces. … The impact of suicide bombing attacks in Israel goes beyond their numbers, and this fact will also capture the imagination of would-be Iraqi terrorists.” [Army War College, Feb. 2003]
– “But if we’re going to invade, we need to prepare for a worst-case scenario involving street-to-street fighting, with farmers like Mr. Khal taking potshots at our troops. Is America really prepared for hundreds of casualties, even thousands, in an invasion and subsequent occupation that could last many years?” [Nicholas Kristof, New York Times, Sept. 2002]
– “We must be prepared to occupy the country and stay there for a very long time at very great expense in treasure but also in risk to lives. There can be no question that the military cost of this option will be enormous.” [Morton Halperin, Council on Foreign Relations, July 2002]
It’s not that no one predicted intensity of Iraq’s post-war violence. It’s just that no one in the Bush administration wanted to listen.
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this is classic:
cheney says no one could’ve predicted the level of violence ir iraq,
meanwhile,
snow says that the resurgence of taliban could’ve been predicted.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:09 pmA more accurate statement would be —
June 19th, 2006 at 5:13 pmNo one anticipated the level of incompetence in this administration.
“no one anticipated the breach of the levees” -Dubya
“no one could have imagined such an attack could be launched against America” -Condi
“I don’t think anybody anticipated the level of violence that we have encountered” -Dr. Evil
What a bunch of incompetent, evil, stupid, useless boobs running our government.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:15 pmYou are only ‘anybody’ if you’re part of Cheney’s inner circle. All the critics that predicted the level violence in Iraq were clearly “nobodies.”
June 19th, 2006 at 5:18 pmIn other words: the current administration has no imagination.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:19 pmGreat ‘evil Cheney’ pic, BTW!
June 19th, 2006 at 5:20 pm“No one could have anticipated………”
This appears to be the mantra of this administration and is, sadly, indicative of their policy on EVERYTHING! Shortsighted, myopic, and horrific decisions that eventually turn out to be a situation which, of course, no one (except perhaps someone who put the thought into it) could have anticipated. As Dr. Sinker so eloquently says above, they have NO imagination at all.
Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, they have claimed couldn’t have been anticipated was, in fact, anticipated. These bastards are right on track with their plans to completely subjugate the American people, thereby solidifying their power base and continuing to loot the US Treasury. They aren’t incompetent, just evil.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:31 pmHey I wonder what they meant by Shock and Awe then?
June 19th, 2006 at 5:34 pmHe just lies and denies facts – and in a room full of reporters, no one calls him on it.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:35 pmBut the media is liberal, right?
They predicted Katrina, but then they had to lie about, and cover up, that they, Bush, did indeed know but did nothing.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:36 pmThis is rediculous.
DICK CHENEY PREDICTED THE VIOLENCE AFTER DESERT STORM.
These people lie about themselves!!!!!!
June 19th, 2006 at 5:37 pmI am prone to think that this level of violence was not able to be considered. One would expect that when a country is taken over by force of arms, peace would be the logical response of an occupied people. Besides, everybody loves America. I am so confused by all of this.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:40 pmJust now saw this on crooksandliars.com. Thought it deserved re-posting:
In 1992 Dick Cheney said this after the first Gulf War:
“And the question in my mind is how many additional American casualties is Saddam worth?” Cheney said then in response to a question.
“And the answer is not very damned many. So I think we got it right, both when we decided to expel him from Kuwait, but also when the president made the decision that we’d achieved our objectives and we were not going to go get bogged down in the problems of trying to take over and govern Iraq.”
June 19th, 2006 at 5:40 pmWow Plunger,
Quite the day we are having.
June 19th, 2006 at 5:43 pmOne would expect that when a country is taken over by force of arms, peace would be the logical response of an occupied people.
Why would you think this?
June 19th, 2006 at 5:46 pmIf I might intrude upon your psyche.
Very good post Plunger……..I to have read all about these backers of Leo Strauss. Or better yet the basterdization of the above. Sick followere, evil administration and lazy, greedy enabelers all……
June 19th, 2006 at 5:47 pmWC,
Check out post #13. ; )
June 19th, 2006 at 5:48 pmWhy are we surprised? No one anticipated the breaching of the levee’s either!!
June 19th, 2006 at 5:53 pmWhy are we surprised? No one anticipated the breaching of the levees either!!
June 19th, 2006 at 5:53 pmNo one anticipated that terrorists would use planes to fly into buildings either.
-GSD
June 19th, 2006 at 5:57 pmThe Bush buffoons “didn’t anticipate” hijackers flying planes into buildings – even though they were warned by our own CIA.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:04 pmThey “didn’t anticipate” the levees breaking.
They “didn’t anticipate” the strength of the insurgency.
But – per Rove’s increased vitriol – they do anticipate the Dems taking back Congress!
The things that noone could have anticipated according to this administration have gotten alot of people killed.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:05 pmIs Cheney even capable of speaking the truth? With whatever he says, it’s virtually a safe bet to believe that the opposite is true.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:06 pmHe just opens his mouth and the lies flow out, almost without effort.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:10 pmHopefully, right now no one is anticipating Democrats taking over Congress this fall.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:11 pmI anticipated this precise level of violence from my couch. How did I do it? I thought for two seconds about the course of human history when a foreign power occupies a sovereign nation for dubious reasons. Gosh, those two seconds of predicting the future really strained my brain.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:12 pmArmy charges 3 GIs with murder in Iraq1 hour, 44 minutes ago
BAGHDAD, Iraq
The U.S. Army has charged three soldiers in connection with the deaths of three Iraqis who were in military custody in northern Iraq last month, the military said Monday.
The Multinational Corps-Iraq said three members of 3rd Brigade Combat Team, 101st Airborne Division have been charged in connection with the deaths of three male detainees during an operation near Thar Thar Canal in northern Salahuddin province on May 9.
“A noncommissioned officer and two soldiers each have been charged with violating several articles of the Uniform Code of Military Justice including murder, attempted murder, conspiracy, communicating a threat, and obstructing justice,”.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:13 pmAmanda – Great job Googling!!! Thank you for showing the genuine necessity of accurate psychic phenomenon.
As many people as you selectively mention to fit your progressive argument I can name that many to fit my argument. Your premise that dick cheney is an awful, evil, man is not likely to change soon. My assumption that the former 32 year back-bencher of the Congress (cute name – thanks, Mr. Aphrodite!), Mutiny Murtha is reinforced by his past suggestions that when the going gets tough, progs throw in the towel.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:20 pmFood for Thought:
Just read two interesting articles from Noam Chomsky. Check ‘em out…
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20060405.htm
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20060509.htm
June 19th, 2006 at 6:23 pmin regards to mighty aphrodite
anyone know how to point and laugh at someone in a blog post?
June 19th, 2006 at 6:26 pmCheney’s record of predictions is no better than Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, Saddam’s former Iraqi Minister of Information, also known as “Baghdad Bob.”
For the comparison, see:
June 19th, 2006 at 6:29 pm“DC Dick and Baghdad Bob.”
Stop thinking that the detrimental way in which MA believes in slighting us… just remember the definition of a progressive:
A person who actively favors or strives for progress toward better conditions, as in society or government.
Now if there is something evil about that, please, someone, tell me.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:43 pmanyone know how to point and laugh at someone in a blog post?
Comment by Krazny
Just point at your computer monitor and laugh heartily; then politely ask the NSA to forward the message.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:49 pmFlavius – Any relation to Clubber??? Isn’t it wonderful that you live in a place which holds people accountable?? I think ANOTHER GREAT thing is not jumping to conclusions until evidence is presented – call me old-fashioned. Frankly, I would need to see the evidence before reaching a conclusion. Then I had to ask myself, what message is Flv/Club trying to communicate?? That he’s proud of the process?? That he feel sorry for the military fighting an enemy w/o uniforms?? That Dick Cheney is an evil deferrment brat – unlike the brilliant President Clinton??
June 19th, 2006 at 6:50 pmXcellent work Amanda! Xpose these criminals in the light–until we’re rid of the vermin!
June 19th, 2006 at 6:51 pmoff topic – for a bit – but help me out here
when some refer to previous posts by number only, it’s confusing – here’s why, here’s what i see:
1-pete, 2-zoo, 3-joynnyr, 4-anon., 5-drS, 6-drS, 7-green, 8-right, 9-marie, 10-right, 11-spudge, 12-herman, 13-WC, 14-fortruth, 15-right, 16-abrief, 17-spudge…
how does this compare to others? who’s missing?
June 19th, 2006 at 6:56 pmWell then, Mighty Aphrodite, you should appreciate the message the Universe has regarding Iraq:
Hagall: unexpected damages and setbacks. It symbolizes destructive forces of nature and the cosmos.
I know, anybody could make that prediction. But the odds were one in twenty-five that that particular Rune would be drawn.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:58 pmM.A.: “…That Dick Cheney is an evil deferrment brat – unlike the brilliant President Clinton??” - – Ahh, the permeating syllogism of Clintonesque Fault that the Right relies upon when logic and rational thought elude them.
June 19th, 2006 at 6:58 pmSo Plunger,
We, (the general population), really don’t know crap.
We are arguing over stuff thats meant to be argued over, which is a distraction. There is no incompetence, we are supposed to think BushCo is incompetent. We are just patsys, part of the stupid masses. A two party system is in place to keep the busy bodies busy. The people in charge know full well what they are doing, and every move is calculated and well thought out ahead of time. I actually understand that mentality, because I agree to an extent that the majority of people do need to be led and told what to do.
I have been told this before, by my dear old mum, many years ago.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:02 pmMeg-mac – Better hide the razor blades and rope!! Poor little t–mac!! Reading Noam “I Hate America as MUCH as Howard Zinn” Chomsky, the most PESSIMISTIC prog a prog could cite is similar to reading that you have inoperable terminal cancer. It’s really hard to have a good day after getting horrible news like that or reading NOAM or Zinn. Ever wonder why Noam didn’t switch from linguistics to political science at MIT????
June 19th, 2006 at 7:03 pmMighty Aphrodite whoring as usual. Clinton was against the war while Cheney the chickenhawk was for it but refused to fight. You keyboard commandos are too much. You have no problem talking tough while young men and women die in your place. You feel so strongly about this war then pack your bags and go there and fight and dont give me “but Im an old whore”, there are 70 year olds serving in Iraq. Dont worry someone will take carry of your 20 cats.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:06 pmUh….
What happened to all of Plunger’s posts?
June 19th, 2006 at 7:07 pmisn’t there another lawyer out there that he could shoot?
Maybe he and his lesbo daughter could join the Kilo unit and shoot some civilians just for practice.
First, though, they would have to be drunk and drugged.
Dick Cheney is no different than anybody else in this world. He may come across as if he knows, but he really doesn’t. He is more clueless than George Bush.
When is this stuff going to be over?
June 19th, 2006 at 7:10 pmHELLO ! CAN ANYBODY SEE THIS??? TRY AGAIN -
off topic – for a bit – but help me out here
when some refer to previous posts by number only, it’s confusing – here’s why, here’s what i see:
1-pete, 2-zoo, 3-joynnyr, 4-anon., 5-drS, 6-drS, 7-green, 8-right, 9-marie, 10-right, 11-spudge, 12-herman, 13-WC, 14-fortruth, 15-right, 16-abrief, 17-spudge…
how does this compare to others? who’s missing?
June 19th, 2006 at 7:15 pmComment by katy — June 19, 2006 @ 6:56 pm
In the world of Mighty Tighty Whitey,
Cheney never lied at all, its just politics for the masses, normal behavior. Funny thing, she’s probably right. I think most all politicians would lie, Dem or Repub. Fair enough Tighty Cling-Free Nighty.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:16 pmThe posts past #27 are mean spirited and off topic.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:17 pmCan we stop trading insults and get back on target?
Is the whole transcript from Cheney’s speach available? I wonder what else came up.
Katy,
All of Plunger’s posts were deleted, messing up the numbers.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:17 pmDavid – You might want to wipe that spittle off your chin – ick!!!! And while you’re at it, the only people I know who call women “wh*re$” are those who knew what their own Mother charged for such services. But enough of your family.
We come from a family with a fine history of military service since the Civil War. I’ve served, Mr. Aphrodite has served – what kind of public service did you say you performed? (Remember, being the recipient of a student loan, welfare or unemployment insurance DOES NOT count as public service.)
June 19th, 2006 at 7:18 pmThe posts past #27 are mean spirited and off topic.
Can we stop trading insults and get back on target?
Is the whole transcript from Cheney’s speach available? I wonder what else came up.
Comment by Skeptic — June 19, 2006 @ 7:17 pm
That’s funny, MightyCLing-FreeNighty started at post #28.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:19 pmFor Truth;
June 19th, 2006 at 7:20 pmThanks for explaining, I was thinking W.C = Water Closet = Bathroom = Toilet Plunger as some sort of wierd arcane pun. What were the posts like?
I am SO incredibly sick of the TROLLS taking over!
This is one reason why I have been staying away.
Mighty assbag is just that and should be ignored.
Why do we take the bait?
WHY?
June 19th, 2006 at 7:22 pmCan’t we just have our own community? Let them rot in bandwidth hell.
Please.
thanks for that reply, for truth – but plunger is not on that list i posted…
June 19th, 2006 at 7:28 pmit was spudge @17 directing WC to 13 – which is a post by WC, so i think spudge meant 11…
so confusing…
Isn’t it wonderful that you live in a place which holds people accountable?? I think ANOTHER GREAT thing is not jumping to conclusions until evidence is presented – call me old-fashioned. Frankly, I would need to see the evidence before reaching a conclusion.
Comment by not-so-mighty aphrodite — June 19, 2006 @ 6:50 pm
Yea?
You mean like when you were running your big mouth when the story first broke, tauting that if they were guilty, how come no ones been charged?
Now that they’re charged, you say shut up till they’re found guilty.
Then when they’re found guilty you’ll say see, all better now.
But the fact is, what happened in Haditha, is just ONE incident of hundreds, possibly thousands.
Did that steel trap like mind of yours happen to notice that one of the charges is that the soldiers involved threatened to KILL another solider, if he talked???
See, thats why these stories are so hard to get out. No one that just fragged some innocent person, is going to sit back and say, “oh sure, go ahead and turn me in“.
Are we learning yet?
June 19th, 2006 at 7:33 pmI was trying to find out why Mighty Aphrodite was claiming that Cheney did not LIE. I could only make up one conceivable scenario.
A) Dick Cheney told the truth as he knew it.
B) This means that Dick Cheney
a) forgot the predictions that he himself made during the First Gulf War
b) Did not remember the predictions made by the State Department,
The war college and various other Middle East Experts in 2002
which implies
C) Dick Cheney is getting as forgetful as Ronald Reagan
and since Dick Cheney was noted for actually having a brain that
means he needs to be immediately checked for Alzheimers or stroke damage
In either case he needs to resign now as unfit to hold the post.
Perhaps Mighty Aphrodite is right and we need to find a new Vice President.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:35 pmDoes anyone else have a sensible explanation?
Cheney is trash. And I can’t say a kind word about the rest of his family either.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:36 pmCheney is allergic to the truth. There has never been a bigger liar in the history of American government. Second place goes to his sock puppet Bush.
what good does it do to complain about how this stupid adminstration does things in this world? They have proven themselves to be culpable and criminal. They are a joke, and the American and the Iraqi people have to bear the brunt of their cruelty towards humanity.
Don’t fear them, laugh at them. If they had an ounce of humanity in their bones, they would change the way things are, not take advantage of them. they’re hopeless.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:37 pmSkeptic,
Plunger’s posts were of the conspiracy theory orientation, basically saying everything is not as we think. I don’t know why they were all deleted.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:45 pmBeef Jerky is the perfect snack, and it’s avaliable at Jerkyahoo:
June 19th, 2006 at 7:50 pmhttp://jerkyahoo.jerkydirect.com
“The best beef jerky on this side of the grass”
Here MA. One of your moderate conservative pundits said it right yesterday.
The trouble is: the architects of this policy – Cheney, Rumsfeld and Gonzales – are still in power, and unable or unwilling to reverse course and face a real accounting.
And so we stagger on, with secrecy lending credibility to the worst possibilities, with abuse documented in every field of conflict, and with the international moral standing of the United States at its lowest ebb since Vietnam.
There are two wars right now, it seems to me: one is against Islamist terror; and the other is to protect the constitution and the Geneva Conventions from those who would bypass them to protect us.
Andrew Sullivan
June 19th, 2006 at 7:55 pmfine.
I’m outta here.
Tell Spudge, Zoo, Unbelievable, For Truth that I really enjoyed them.
You keep inciting the troll.
June 19th, 2006 at 7:59 pmBye, Think Progress.
Oh goodness gracious – you slick-meisters are so full of hate speech. Go smoke some of your own pou-pou! ….
…. quit picking on poor dickie-poo. …
…. hehehehe … ;~]
un-huh, un-huh ….
June 19th, 2006 at 7:59 pmMA, what your tiny brain seems to not get, is this isn’t about Clinton, or what Democrats are doing.
This is about BUSH, and his regime, because in case you’re living under a rock, Bush is the man in charge right now.
Not Clinton. Not Gore, and certainly not the democrats.
So get a clue. Trying to say, “but he does it too”, is stupid.
It doesn’t matter. Its not about point fingers you dimwit.
Its about stopping the evildoers in power.
The ones without power we can worry about later, cool?
June 19th, 2006 at 7:59 pmMighty fool – how many more deaths until we figure out that we are in a no win situation? And you expect for us to believe you served? Where and when? please prove it. and the dems did not ASSERT anything – YOUR MASTER ASSERTED the WMD premise – and the dems were the fools to believe a master LIAR.
June 19th, 2006 at 8:00 pm#65 – “They ruin ALL of our threads, when we LET them.
I’m a comment or two away from giving up totally, I swear.
She Aint Worth It.” – Comment by trueblue
*****PLEASE DON’T DO THAT – you add soooo much to the cnversation…..You’d be missed.
June 19th, 2006 at 8:01 pmThe Army War College discusses lessons learned. May TP should read their sources more carefully:
However, the military in general, and the Army in
June 19th, 2006 at 8:03 pmparticular, has received much praise for its performance in
Haiti. Nonetheless, since the last American troops left the
island in April 1996, the situation there has deteriorated to
conditions approaching those early in the 1990s. Without
long-term military involvement, most U.S. policy goals have
been frustrated. The civilian agencies that replaced
military forces have not had the same resources available,
and persistent flaws in the Haitian economy, judicial
system, and political leadership have obstructed reform.
American officials have decried the results of recent
elections, and admitted the failure of their policies. Even the
Secretary General of the UN recommended against
renewing the mission there. Between 1992 and 1995, the
United States spent over 1.6 billion dollars for operations in
Haiti. Over $950 million of that was expended through DoD,
and mostly for Army operations, to include the
administration of large refugee camps. One key lesson
from that frustrating experience is that the redeployment of
military forces should be predicated on the achievement of
designated measures of effectiveness, and not based on time
limits. Another is that follow-on civilian agencies must be
capable of maintaining those standards as well as achieving
new ones.
And BTW MA. It has nothing to do with giving Murtha a pass because he serves.
But don’t think for two seconds that your line of horsecrap that every war hero who ever served suddenly becomes a traitor as soon as he disagrees with you.
Sorry you don’t like it, but no one except brainwashed idiots and losers agree with you, and your reichstag gang.
SEIG HEIL!
June 19th, 2006 at 8:03 pmClobber – this isn’t a case of “Mom, Billy hit me, too” It is a case of RELYING ON SPECIFIC information. Unlike you and your comrades, I do not criticize the Clinton Admistration for relying on the information they HAD. If anyone is responsible for gutting our intelligence community, it is the Church Committee and the former President, Mr. Jimmeh. That bumbling oaf signed the legislation which severely handicapped our “eyes and ears” in the intelligence community. But I suppose the “New Dem Military Appreciation Community” will be up in arms – figuratively speaking – that Mr. Jimmeh , with his naval experience, is apoplectic over my criticism of Mr. Jimmeh (AKA: Barney Fife).
June 19th, 2006 at 8:12 pm> b-UN-truthful
Uhhh… maybe we should ask my great-unc’a Willy what a Lie is ….. he’s real good at telling you when he meant to deceive others.
he never meant to deceive Monica-baby.
He just meant to deceive the entire American people that he didn’t have s*x with that woman, Miss Lewinsky
Gosh-a-darn, you amigos-locos are so cute when you’re mad.
And I mean MAD !!!
How was you pou-pou smoke break??
I know that’s what makes you so full of hate – your dope is spiked with pou!
…. hehehehe …. ;~]
June 19th, 2006 at 8:14 pmWow, where is all this intelligence that you obviously intelliget people had? Been looking thru the intel and darn, no one was speaking up. I guess hind sight is really the matra here.
June 19th, 2006 at 8:24 pmTheres many reasons there Eva, why we compare you clowns to Nazis.
In fact, only a fool could not see the obvious comparisons to how Hitler and the Nazi party used Christianity, God, and talk of divine missions to lull the German people into giving up freedoms, rights and consenting to his “Pre-emptive War” idealogy.
Hitler painted the Jews as terrorists. Bush paints any Arab Muslim who will not toss down their weapons, roll over and let our interrogators mount them, a terrorist.
Hitler used the Enabling act shortly after a terrorist attack.
Bush used the Patriot act shortly after a terrorist attack.
Hitler believed he was doing Gods will by killing Jews.
Bush believes he is doing Gods will by killling Muslims.
If you weren’t for Hitler, you were against him.
If you are not for Busch, you are against him.
And the list goes on.
June 19th, 2006 at 8:31 pmMighty,
June 19th, 2006 at 8:35 pmMy brother was also Lt Cmdr. in the Navy. He was an aviator on USS Midway during Vietnam and onward. Go Navy.
Steed
Howard Dean said it right on Wolf Blitzer today, finally.
“It’s not the the republicans don’t want to protect the nation from terrorists.
Its just that they’re not smart enough to do it.”
DNC Chairman
June 19th, 2006 at 8:58 pmHoward Dean
6-19-06
It was the saying so nice, he said it twice.
Live on CNN.
It was a thing of beauty.
The Democrats finally figured out the real lesson from the last 6 years of a clumsy, bungling, lamebrained republican rule.
Yup. I think they finally got it right.
June 19th, 2006 at 9:00 pmIts just that they’re not smart enough to do it.â€
June 19th, 2006 at 9:01 pm
Imprisoned in Chaos
The Bush administration has wrecked the system for capturing and holding foreign enemies.
How to fix it?
The Washington Post
Sunday, June 18, 2006; Page B06
NEARLY FIVE years into a war between the United States and Islamic extremists, U.S. policies and practices for arresting, holding, interrogating and trying enemy militants are in a state of disarray unprecedented in modern American history. They shame the nation and violate its fundamental values.
June 19th, 2006 at 9:14 pmSo now we know where the Post stands on the Administrations tactics of torture.
They shame the nation and violate its fundamental values.
Not much room for ambiguity there.
June 19th, 2006 at 9:17 pmWhich has been terrific for you so far, right, Dickie? First brag about the might of your army while screaming Put up or shut ups out of your lungs, saying dictators hate your “democracy” (Florida-Ohio style) and that every muslim wants to destroy all McNuggets over the world. But then, things change. Things get complicated and the preaching about supporting troops and cheap patriotism fill the media like a raging tsunami. We debate, soldiers and civilians die, you make money. What a wonderful world, Dick. What a wonderful thing -insurgency, dont you think?
June 19th, 2006 at 9:32 pmComment by mighty afrodite
June 19th, 2006 at 9:47 pmSounds like the Tim McVeigh argument. Always afraid of everything. That is the way you deserve to live: angry and afraid.
No wonder US is the country with the highest number of hate groups.
When Cheney had the chance to stand up and
fight for our country, he had other priorities.
Now his priority is to be a war profiteer.
I wouldn’t cross the street to piss on his
feet if his shoes were on fire.
Nothing worse than a piece of shit, warmongering
June 19th, 2006 at 9:55 pmchickenhawk, war profiteer.
Jeesh, it smells like old, musty Dick around here.
Someone crack open a can of tuna and freshen this place up.
Love,
Mary Cheney
June 19th, 2006 at 9:57 pmConsidering the disasterous consequences of this administration’s continued ADMITTED inability to ‘anticipate’ the continuing stream of events, all of which involve massive fatalities, and destruction, of ‘biblical’ proportions, WHY ON EARTH does ANYONE expect (most present company excepted) this group to be able to “protect America”? Even when they KNOW what is coming, they do nothing to prevent it, repeatedly, with deadly results. And “Stay the Course” is their ‘plan’? Yeah, because that has worked so well! Get crucial… it is not working!!
June 19th, 2006 at 10:09 pmWhen Iraq finally fell to th US coalition.
Republicans would joke to those detractors “Is it Vietnam yet?”. A sort of joke t rub in the vindication they felt at Bush quick and easy victory. Now there no longer joking anymore
June 19th, 2006 at 11:24 pmKaty, my post at #9 was originally at #14, and replies to plunger don’t make sense. So I do think plunger has been deleted.
June 19th, 2006 at 11:26 pmI wish MA and IRI would get deleted, permanently.
Cheney is a massive proven liar > every word he spews is pure 100% poison propaganda!
June 19th, 2006 at 11:28 pmThis Misadministration has amassed so much power that they no longer feel the need to make their lies seem anywhere near the truth.
Listening to dumbya and krash-kart, dumbsfailed, kinda sleezy rice, and now snowjob makes me feel like I am at a party and trying to make small talk with druggies that ramble on and on making no sense whatsoever. Never mind trying to make it look like you are not lying, never mind trying to connect your lies. It is amazing and terribly sad.
This misadministration has no regard for human rights, ethics, or good. Daily they show their contempt for the people of the world. These nutjobs spew their hate and unChrist like beliefs and expect that everyone is just to stupid to know. But these nutjobs are the truly stupid ones. It would be really funny if these bozos weren’t in power.
June 20th, 2006 at 12:26 amThe things that noone could have anticipated according to this administration have gotten alot of people killed.
Comment by Krazny — June 19, 2006
Dumbya is on record saying that he is in favor of a 95% world population decrease.
Which other leader was also in favor of a very large population decrease?
Both had concentration camps in their country and in other countries.
Dumbya and co. get so nasty when you compare the two, even though they are nearly identical. Fascism, Socialism – Potato, Potatoe. The truth really hurts these evil, evil people.
Good thing that our misadministration doesn’t control the media with propaganda…(snark) – FAUX news is the best….(gag)
June 20th, 2006 at 12:41 amNobody could have predicted how evil these chicken shits would be.
June 20th, 2006 at 1:19 amOk, Mighty Aphrodite, explain this: Amanda’s argument was that Cheney claimed that no one anticipated the level of violence in Iraq. Amanda presented at least 3 different people who did, in fact, anticipate the level of violence in Iraq.
Now, feel free to give a list of 3, or more, as many as you like, people in the Bush Administration (you can count Cheney) that did not anticipate the level of violence in Iraq.
Amanda has already effectively refuted the statement “no one could have anticipated” by showing someone did anticipate. Therefore, EVERY PERSON YOU NAME AS HAVING NOT BEEN ABLE TO ANTICIPATE THE LEVEL OF VIOLENCE IN IRAQ IS GUILTY OF WILLFUL BLINDNESS.
Now, as an attorney, you know that willful blindness is no defense. And, as a former Lt. Cmdr in the Navy, how do you feel about the civilian leadership of the armed forces being willfully blind as troops prepare for war?
June 20th, 2006 at 1:49 amBecause of lovely DICK thinking that the Iraqi people would “greet us as liberators”. But remember, the insurgents were in their last throes over a year ago. And chimpy turned the ship around for his photo op and stood in is costume under the banner “Mission Accomplished”.
Meanwhile, those with half a brain know that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, we also know that the 2000, 2004 elections were stolen, we also know that Bin Laden is actually a business partner of the Bush family, we know that Neil Bush’s company was installing “security devices” in all three of the buildings that were destroyed in the 9/11 attacks the day BEFORE.
We also know that Prescott Bush ran a company that used slave labor from the Nazi concentration camps. We also know that in October 1942 the Bush family/Thiessen banking assets were seized for violation of the “Trading with the Enemy Act”. We also know that Prescott received over $1,000,000.00 way back that was set up in a blind trust to further the Bush legacy of failure, power grabbing, and manipulation.
June 20th, 2006 at 3:45 amIn a vote of the Disarmament Committee of the United Nations (UN), one and only one nation voted against ElBaradei’s proposal – George Bush’s America. In that same vote, Israel abstained, apparently fearing international interference with their own outlaw nuclear weapons program, and Britain abstained in an act of diplomatic fealty to the “special relationship” between Tony Blair and George Bush. The final tally was 147 nations to one with the two abstentions. In a later vote of the entire UN General Assembly, Israel and Britain abstained, while America and Palau voted against ElBaradei’s verifiable ban on fission, and 179 nations voted in favor of his proposal. The final vote on that occasion was 179 in favor, two opposed (U.S. and Palau), and two abstentions (Israel and Britain).
DONT USE THE UN AS A PRETEXT FOR IRAN IF YOU VOTE AGAIST A NUKE FREE WORLD
SOURCE
Get your act together man the world hates your foreign policy
June 20th, 2006 at 4:51 amREAD THIS EVERYBODY
Who’s Against a Ban on
Fissile Material?
In 2005, Mohamed ElBaradei was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his outstanding work in the international control of nuclear weapons. In 2003, ElBaradei had proposed a verifiable ban on the production of weapons-grade fissile material – a positive move that would severely limit the proliferation of nuclear weapons.
In a vote of the Disarmament Committee of the United Nations (UN), one and only one nation voted against ElBaradei’s proposal – George Bush’s America. In that same vote, Israel abstained, apparently fearing international interference with their own outlaw nuclear weapons program, and Britain abstained in an act of diplomatic fealty to the “special relationship” between Tony Blair and George Bush. The final tally was 147 nations to one with the two abstentions. In a later vote of the entire UN General Assembly, Israel and Britain abstained, while America and Palau voted against ElBaradei’s verifiable ban on fission, and 179 nations voted in favor of his proposal. The final vote on that occasion was 179 in favor, two opposed (U.S. and Palau), and two abstentions (Israel and Britain).
ElBaradei’s proposal would monitor all nuclear fission and guarantee that non-nuclear weapons states would be able to obtain adequate supplies for their nonmilitary usage of enriched plutonium.
One nation has publicly accepted ElBaradei’s proposal: Iran.
In light of this important backstory, it is now perfectly obvious that the so-called “negotiations” among America, its intermediaries, and Iran have been designed to camouflage, distort, and erase the historical record. America and Israel are opposed to ElBaradei’s proposal for a verifiable ban on nuclear fission (Fissban) apparently to prevent the intrusion of international inspectors into the Israeli nuclear industry.
Given the facts of the highly publicized “Iran Plans” for a massive American military intervention against the Iranian nuclear industry and the constant threat of bombing Iran leveled by American authorities from George Bush and Condoleezza Rice to Richard Perle and John Bolton, it is equally clear that American policy is being driven by a Machiavellian political calculus.
Over the past two weeks, there has been a chain of interlocked events: the execution of Zarqawi; the Camp David summit on Iraq; Bush’s secret flight to Baghdad; and the narrow escape of Karl Rove from federal indictment in the Valerie Plame case. These events are fitting into a discernible pattern designed to resuscitate the dying political corpse of the Bush administration in time for the midterm elections this November.
The continuing weakness of the Bush administration, as measured by the president’s approval rating, will embolden those proponents of the unilateral bombardment of Iran as a measure that could precipitate the president’s resurgence. With so little left to lose, Bush may press the button for war in hopes of gaining approval in red-state America, where his political fate will be decided on the Nov. 6.
Darker plans may even be afoot, or so we are led to believe by scholars of the U.S. intelligence industry. The former CIA official Ray McGovern has warned of “staged” atrocities as part of a covert U.S. program for the manufacture of “’synthetic terror.” Robert Woodward warned an academic audience in Texas that the next major atrocity on U.S. soil would reduce 9/11 to a footnote in world history. There are persistent back-channel rumors of Republican Party officials circulating memoranda longing for a return to the heady days after 9/11 to revive the ailing Bush presidency – even at the cost of a new 9/11.
Neither America’s people nor the peoples of other nations are being adequately informed about the history of international planning for the control of fissionable materials, which are the essential ingredients for nuclear weapons. The global media is complicit in the increasing threats to peace by a deeply unpopular American president and his loyal cadre of neoconservative apparatchiks, who now threaten the future of the planet with a holocaust of gigantic proportions.
June 20th, 2006 at 4:58 amDon’t we hire our government leaders to “anticipate?” These guys haven’t anticipated anything right for five years. What are we paying them for?
The American voter forgot, at their own peril, that Dubya’s posse is composed of people who failed consistently when they were younger. They achieved success only through the time honored practice of smearing and cheating and stealing. Why should they bother to “anticipate”, to plan ahead, when they’ve managed to skate by their entire lives by spinning lies and tales of the imaginary? As even Dubya said, “That’s hard work!”
June 20th, 2006 at 6:54 amGo on America, keep on knocking off them Iraqis!!! Yee haa!
Do you know what a baby’s skull looks like when it’s on fire? Go to Ramadi and see for yourself.
June 20th, 2006 at 7:41 amHe sounds like Darth Vader
June 20th, 2006 at 9:08 amThanks to Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld stupidity we’ve created a new generation of U.S. enemies in the world.
June 20th, 2006 at 9:11 am#108
To get ANY administration or government to listen to your concerns or what you anticipate might happen after the decision to go to war would require alot more people than the three listed. The concerns should have been voiced by members of Congress BEFORE the invasion. I don’t seem to remember anyone in the U.S. Congress, let alone on the Armed Service Committee, stating what those three people from those organizations did. If there is then I would like to hear it….otherwise…
“Now, feel free to give a list of 3, or more, as many as you like, people in the Bush Administration (you can count Cheney) that did not anticipate the level of violence in Iraq.”
…I have well over 250 people in the U.S. Congress that didn’t anticipate it either OR (hint hint) they thought the ACTION outweighed the risk. Remember there were those that thought (WRONG) that the INITAL invasion and march to Baghdad would be a slaughter of American and coalition troops.
June 20th, 2006 at 10:40 amWhy would they actually listen to experts? That’s against their very nature. But hey, according to Veep Cheney, the insurgency is in its “last throes, so there is no violence.
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June 20th, 2006 at 10:58 am#116 good point, except when the administration intentionally deceived and distorted the information, they got the intended result from Congress.
Or are you stating the GWB Admin gave ALL the information to Congress, therefore somehow justifying your argument ?
June 20th, 2006 at 11:13 amThe only thing that Cheney anticipates correctly is the millions of dollars that the Haliburton War Corporation will make on the Iraq fiasco. Once he returns to private life as the CEO of the War Corporation he could be anticipating billions. His entire government “service” has been for personal financial gain. He and Bush are salivating with anticipation over the rewards and benefits from the corporations and their lobbyists they represented in Washington instead of the American people when they leave the White House. Malfeasance and misfeasance at the highest levels of government has been visited upon the American people in the form of the corrupt republicans in the administration and congress. Let the good times roll.
June 20th, 2006 at 11:13 am#119
“…116 good point, except when the administration intentionally deceived and distorted the information, they got the intended result from Congress.”
The 9/11 panel found no evidence of what you assert.
“Or are you stating the GWB Admin gave ALL the information to Congress, therefore somehow justifying your argument?”
The CIA, MI6 and the U.N. were the ones providing the intelligence information.
June 20th, 2006 at 11:19 amI find it amazing that all I had to do was go to Wikipedia, and change the phrase ‘Saddam killed 1000000 Iraqis’ to ‘Saddam is linked to the death of 1000000′, and I am blocked for ‘vandalism’. In feedback, I am told ‘not to put my own opinions into my editing’.
June 20th, 2006 at 11:22 am#120
1.What does the 9/11 panel have to do with the pretext to the Iraq invasion ?
2. We were not talking about the source, we were talking about what happened to the information filtered by GWB Admin “selectively” given to Congress
June 20th, 2006 at 11:37 amThe Iraqi Army under Saddam was a certifiable fraud. They proved that in Desert Storm. The lst Bush knew that to follow up on their defeat in the field by going into Baghdad would be sheer folly because of the makeup of the Iraqi society–Sunnis, shiites and kurds all vying for power and in most cases fundamentalist wackos that were fanatically willing to die for their religion. This is what was not anticipated prior to the preemptive strike in this mismanaged, phony war. Saddam kept order and discipline in what is now chaos. One faction fighting another and the US Army/Marines in the crossfire. We are backing the faction that Saddam tried to control in order to maintain some semblance of a progressive society. The Iraqis were better off with Saddam than with Bush and Cheney.
June 20th, 2006 at 11:38 am#75, trueblue, DON’T GO! I understand your frustration -I know it’s hard for me, ’cause I usually don’t get a chance to post until later in the day, and it takes forever to read through all of the posts. It’s so much worse when we get caught up in these arguments with our house trolls–it’s not as though we’re ever going to change MA, IRI (the real one), plunger or any of the trolls into a liberal, so why are we wasting our breath (or fingers, whatever.)
But trueblue, you’ve contributed so much I’d hate to see you give up TP completely. Maybe just stick to the threads that don’t get hijacked? Anyway, if you’re adamant about being out of TP completely, you can always contact Wayne and I at jane.schneider@pedifix.com.
June 20th, 2006 at 12:23 pmTrueblue and Jane > the Bush loving trolls new tactic is to gum up the threads with long winded baloney like Guy from Norway ( Seixon) does on here! Ignore their posts, or if a thread is taken over by them, then go to another one! Another tactic is for them to get progressives on here to attack each other!
June 20th, 2006 at 12:43 pmThe things these people can’t “anticipate” continues to amaze! Can they anticipate one day losing power, and all of the rules they’ve set up for themselves suddenly being used by someone else? Won’t it be fun to hear them squeal then? And this is the party that is supposedly better equipped to keep us safe from the big bad world? I wonder if any of them anticipate one day being behind bars?
June 20th, 2006 at 12:53 pmColin Powell was against the invading of Iraq, but caved in and told a lot of lies to the UN…. what about that Tracy?
June 20th, 2006 at 12:54 pmTracy, you need to get your facts straight. Bush ignored recommendations from the CIA that intelligence that he included in The State of the Union address was incorrect.
June 20th, 2006 at 1:01 pmHmmm… didn’t anticipate 9/11 … memo in August 2001 predicted Osama Bin Laden attacking inside the U.S. (oh, that’s right, Bush on on vacation at the time … didn’t anticipate Hurricane Katrina … news coverage ALL over CNN – weather radar showing Katrina moving toward the Gulf Coast and intensifying. And now for the piece de resistance (don’t go doing a spell check) … couldn’t have anticipated the level of violence in Iraq. Maybe BushCo should simply put away their crystal balls and oh I don’t know, WATCH THE NEWS!! READ A NEWSPAPER!!
Considering the supposed threat they claim Iraq presented to the U.S. (wink wink nudge nudge) … duh guys, don’t you think ya maybe coulda paid a little attention to your own B@@@ Sh@@?
June 20th, 2006 at 1:13 pm#128
Based on the information provided by the CIA, Powell at the time didn’t lie to the U.N.
June 20th, 2006 at 1:25 pm#125, Jay, I keep trying to ignore most of the trolls. Some of them, at least, one can respond to in a reasonable fashion, but most just need to be ignored. Of course, some do add to the humor (Squegeeboo!)! But, as I said, I can understand trueblue’s frustration. I’m not ready to give up yet.
June 20th, 2006 at 1:28 pm#129
Are you saying that the CIA told Bush specifically that the information that he was going to present in the State of the Union was actually wrong or not as concrete as they would like or was that after investigations by the 9/11 commisssion proved it to be false?
June 20th, 2006 at 1:29 pmPersonally, I think we should have been anticipating a much HIGHER level of violence than what we’ve seen so far in Iraq. I mean, if, in fact, we believed in the existence of tremendous weapons of mass destruction hidden all over Iraq, don’t you think we should have anticipated someone using them?
Instead we’re dealing with guerilla tactics, roadside bombs, shoulder held missles, and then being surprised at the resolve of these insurgents. Iraq is smack dab right in the middle of the Middle East. Those insurgents were attracted to Iraq by the presence of our military, just like bees to honey. Most of them are not even Iraqi’s.
Sorry we didn’t get the tossing of rose petals in our path that Mr. Chency expected. This fairy tale has a different ending in store for him.
June 20th, 2006 at 1:44 pmPost 131 Jane > I can see why trueblue is upset about the TP threads at times > when Seixon was out of control on the threads this past week it caused a lot of posters to consider giving it up including myself! People just asked him if he was a student in Norway, but he would attack you viciously in response > strange because he invited ridicule on here by defending Karl Rove! Then at 3:39 AM somebody on ThinkFast PM thread used my name to post filth against somebody else to get me in trouble > lucky I saw the post and contacted Judd to delete it!
June 20th, 2006 at 2:22 pm#108 – “Now, as an attorney, you know that willful blindness is no defense. And, as a former Lt. Cmdr in the Navy, how do you feel about the civilian leadership of the armed forces being willfully blind as troops prepare for war?”
Comment by Briseadh na Faire
******Willful blindness is NOT a defense in civil, criminal or military matters. Your assumption of WILLFUL BLINDNESS is clouded by your bias. You have not taken into account, or accorded any credence the range of opinion, past reliability of sources, etc. My criticism of the Bush administrations reliance on accepted domestic and international intelligence in preparation for war is the SAME criticism I levelled at the Clinton administration for their reliance on accepted intelligence. None. (Legal tip: Do not try this at home or in a courtroom. In trying to box someone into the corner, you will only succeed in making yourself look foolish – or worse, unprepared. Your question does not take into account my numerous posted defenses of the Clinton administrations foreign policy assumptions due to honest reliance.)
As I have a status conference scheduled, I will be gone this afternoon. Good luck in your bar exam studies.
June 20th, 2006 at 2:27 pmTracy, Bushco was told that information was not reliable before the SOTU, but Bushco left it in because it supported their plans for an invasion of Iraq.
June 20th, 2006 at 3:49 pm#137
To clarify I think we are referring to the supposed Niger uranium sale to Iraq….correct? If so then what of the other information in the SOTU provided by the CIA?
June 20th, 2006 at 4:35 pm“The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.” The CIA said that the assertion could not be confirmed and was thought to be shaky. Left in by Bushco.
June 20th, 2006 at 10:08 pmThe man with the mechanical heart has never felt reality.
He cannot feel good. He does not know love.
His heart is a hollow chamber, clicking, clicking, clicking. Still alive to kill some more and not think of bad things.
June 21st, 2006 at 12:28 am#138, it brings a whole new meaning to “close enough for government work.”
June 21st, 2006 at 12:30 amGuys, I think ‘Tracy’ is merely a spoof. Don’t worry about her.
June 21st, 2006 at 7:58 amI’m not worried about Tracy. She sounds like Ann Bob Coulter.
June 21st, 2006 at 9:16 amLie and Die…. you who Stay the course.
We won’t cut and run… we will change and redeploy.
June 21st, 2006 at 9:48 ammighty aphrodite,
We all know that your nothing but a whore. I would just like to ask, how much are you paid for licking all that neo-con ass!!!
June 21st, 2006 at 11:29 am#142 & 143
I would consider you two to be ’spoofs’ considering I have been posting in this blog longer than either of you either that or you don’t pay attention very well. I say that because if you weren’t new comers and/or paying attention, you would know that I am not a woman but a man. After the Ann Coulter comment, Rick, it would be safe that you sound like an Al Frankenstein.
June 21st, 2006 at 4:35 pm