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]]> By: JHildebrand http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/comment-page-4/#comment-1223010 JHildebrand Mon, 04 Dec 2006 15:30:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/#comment-1223010 I think if you want to burn the flag, wrap yourself in it first! I think if you want to burn the flag, wrap yourself in it first!

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]]> By: Dan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/comment-page-4/#comment-649039 Dan Thu, 29 Jun 2006 22:45:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/#comment-649039 where can I find a list of Senators who voted for Flag burning? where can I find a list of Senators who voted for Flag burning?

]]> By: B Muldrake http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/comment-page-4/#comment-647972 B Muldrake Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:29:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/#comment-647972 Dear Mr. Burgett: I am sorry you seem bitter, but how can you call the American Flag a 'stupid piece of cloth'? The US flag represents our country. It symbolizes all of the things that make this the greatest country in the world. Google the name Mike Christian, a former POW at the Hanoi Hilton during the Vietnam War, and find out what the US Flag means to him. I still say that anyone who 'wants to be able to burn the flag' even if they never intend to do it, especiallly during a time of war, should be charged with treason, among other things. Dear Mr. Burgett:

I am sorry you seem bitter, but how can you call the American Flag a ’stupid piece of cloth’?

The US flag represents our country. It symbolizes all of the things that make this the greatest country in the world. Google the name Mike Christian, a former POW at the Hanoi Hilton during the Vietnam War, and find out what the US Flag means to him.

I still say that anyone who ‘wants to be able to burn the flag’ even if they never intend to do it, especiallly during a time of war, should be charged with treason, among other things.

]]> By: Bob Burgett http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/comment-page-4/#comment-647137 Bob Burgett Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:48:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/#comment-647137 By the way, J. Pete Guevara, I spent allmost 6 years on active duty serving my country, not some stupid piece of cloth. By the way, J. Pete Guevara, I spent allmost 6 years on active duty serving my country, not some stupid piece of cloth.

]]> By: Bob Burgett http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/comment-page-4/#comment-647106 Bob Burgett Wed, 28 Jun 2006 19:36:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/19/flag-burning/#comment-647106 I can't help but wonder: All those reps and senators who supported the amendment--what do they do with all the flag stamps they get on letters from constituents???? I can’t help but wonder: All those reps and senators who supported the amendment–what do they do with all the flag stamps they get on letters from constituents????

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