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]]> By: Think Progress » Progressives Leading on Iraq: Sound Policy Ideas vs. Political Spin http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/20/progressive-unity-on-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-633151 Think Progress » Progressives Leading on Iraq: Sound Policy Ideas vs. Political Spin Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:43:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/20/progressive-unity-on-iraq/#comment-633151 [...] Yes, there are some differences between the two resolutions, but the basic thrust is the same – calling for a phased redeployment of U.S. forces to begin in 2006, coupled with increased efforts to set Iraq’s political transition and reconstruction back on track. Both approaches call on President Bush to put a stronger focus on the broader war on terror, reflecting a concern raised by 87 percent terrorism experts surveyed by Foreign Policy and the Center for American Progress who say that the war in Iraq has had a negative impact on the war on terror. [...] [...] Yes, there are some differences between the two resolutions, but the basic thrust is the same – calling for a phased redeployment of U.S. forces to begin in 2006, coupled with increased efforts to set Iraq’s political transition and reconstruction back on track. Both approaches call on President Bush to put a stronger focus on the broader war on terror, reflecting a concern raised by 87 percent terrorism experts surveyed by Foreign Policy and the Center for American Progress who say that the war in Iraq has had a negative impact on the war on terror. [...]

]]> By: Erroll http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/20/progressive-unity-on-iraq/comment-page-2/#comment-632613 Erroll Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:39:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/20/progressive-unity-on-iraq/#comment-632613 Alexandra I think you misunderstand. As far as I can determine, there are only two senators calling for withdrawal, Kerry and Feingold. and their position seems to be based upon political expediency instead of any kind of moral imperative. Their position may seem laudable because their colleagues are too pusillanimous to speak out for withdrawal. You say a lot of Democrats are speaking out for withdrawal. Who else besides Kerry and Feingold in the Senate is calling for withdrawal? It is faint praise indeed when the best that can be said are for two senators whose plan calls for withdrawal, not to end, but to BEGIN, in July of 2007. As I have said before, it is especially egregious regarding Kerry because, ironically, he is one of the few senators in either party to have seen combat and one would think that he would have a lot more empathy for the plight of those soldiers and Marines who are stationed in that hellhole, especially in the summer, in Iraq. Regarding your point about chaos, as I mentioned earlier, General Odom has commented, rightly I believe, that chaos and civil war are already happening in Iraq, due to the belligerent presence of the U.S. military and that will continue to happen as long as the United States continues to occupy and kill and maim and torture the citizens of that sovereign nation. Alexandra

I think you misunderstand. As far as I can determine, there are only two senators calling for withdrawal, Kerry and Feingold. and their position seems to be based upon political expediency instead of any kind of moral imperative. Their position may seem laudable because their colleagues are too pusillanimous to speak out for withdrawal. You say a lot of Democrats are speaking out for withdrawal. Who else besides Kerry and Feingold in the Senate is calling for withdrawal? It is faint praise indeed when the best that can be said are for two senators whose plan calls for withdrawal, not to end, but to BEGIN, in July of 2007. As I have said before, it is especially egregious regarding Kerry because, ironically, he is one of the few senators in either party to have seen combat and one would think that he would have a lot more empathy for the plight of those soldiers and Marines who are stationed in that hellhole, especially in the summer, in Iraq.

Regarding your point about chaos, as I mentioned earlier, General Odom has commented, rightly I believe, that chaos and civil war are already happening in Iraq, due to the belligerent presence of the U.S. military and that will continue to happen as long as the United States continues to occupy and kill and maim and torture the citizens of that sovereign nation.

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