Defense Department Disavows Santorum’s WMD Claims
Defense Department Disavows Santorum’s WMD Claims
Today, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference and announced “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.” Santorum and Hoekstra are hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed.
Fox News’ Jim Angle contacted the Defense Department who quickly disavowed Santorum and Hoekstra’s claims. A Defense Department official told Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMD’s for which this country went to war.”
Fox’s Alan Colmes broke the news to Santorum. Watch it:
Transcript:
COLMES: Congressman, Senator, it’s Alan Colmes. Senator, the Iraq Survey Group — let me go to the Duelfer Report — says that Iraq did not have the weapons our intelligence believed were there. And Jim Angle reported this for Fox News quotes a defense official who says these were pre-1991 weapons that could not have been fired as designed because they already been degraded. And the official went on to say these are not the WMD’s this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had and not the WMD’s for which this country went to war. So the chest beating at this Republicans are doing tonight thinking this is a justification is not confirmed by the defense department.
SANTORUM: I’d like to know who that is. The fact of the matter is, I’ll wait and see what the actual Defense Department formally says or more important what the administration formally says.
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It is truly remarkable that Rick Santorum is called a Senator….perhaps that situation will be remedied before year’s end.
June 21st, 2006 at 10:47 pmali muhammad aszerajan el aheed farted the other day and it was relly stinky. This is proof positive that wmd have been found. There were people who could not stay in the same room.
June 21st, 2006 at 10:53 pmSanitarium’s face is extremely asymmetrical, symbolizing his twisted actions vs. what he says he stands for.
June 21st, 2006 at 10:54 pmDeny, deny, deny and then deny some more.
I did not have ______ relations with that _______nor do I remember_______ .
June 21st, 2006 at 10:55 pmSantorum being busted publically is like catching the supermodel with spinach in her teeth, the traffic court judge with toilet paper stuck to his shoe, or finding a cell phone in the urinal. Some things just feel right.
June 21st, 2006 at 10:55 pmun-f’in believable!!
How do supposedly intelligent people follow these nuts.
Someone please push the forward button.
June 21st, 2006 at 10:56 pmCOOL! You know that, when even the PENTAGON denies your claims, that yer goose is COOKED! All Hail (future) Sen. Bob Casey! I doubt even Karl Rove can save yer butt now!
June 21st, 2006 at 10:58 pmFret not, we’re only going to have to put up with that idiot for another 6 months.
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June 21st, 2006 at 11:01 pmThe very last frame of the video shows a great view of Santorum. Thats the first time I have seen him talk, seems like an ass.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:02 pmAnd if you don’t have a hundred bucks to give, get off this blog and get a job.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:02 pmI saw the Senator’s presentation. I look forward to the absence of his presence in the U. S. Senate.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:04 pmI saw the Senator’s presentation. I look forward to the absence of his presence in the U. S. Senate.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:04 pmI look forward to the Senator’s absence in the Senate next year.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:06 pmWMD Found In Iraq!…
Well, at least that is what Rick Santorum and Captain’s Quarters want you to think. And it is all based on a *.pdf (signed by John Negroponte, of course) that says this:
June 21st, 2006 at 11:08 pm* Since 2003 Coalition forces have recovered approximately 500 weapons munitions…
Sanatorium is a jackass.
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But do it now.
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Do it now, cause God knows Congress doesn’t give a crap about them.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:11 pmSantorum would have to improve to become an idiot.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:12 pmLittle Ricky has driven a stake through the heart of what little was left of his political career.
We soon will not have Rick Santorum to push around anymore! (Thank the gods!)
June 21st, 2006 at 11:12 pmLook at those faces:
Santorum still doesn’t realize he was already leaving the Senate in disgrace in November, and now it’s so much worse.
Hoekstra has just realized he’s thrown in with an inadequate weinie, and he’ll be spending more time with the family in the fall.
Colmes is just giddy — I think — it’s hard to tell.
I just love public meltdowns of those who so richly deserve it.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:12 pmThey’re too busy passing flag burning and gay marriage bills to give a crap whether the young men they sent off into hell come home with their brains intact or not.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:13 pmCAPTION CONTEST!!!
June 21st, 2006 at 11:14 pmMy god, what is that thing on the far left frame?
The republicans Gimp.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:19 pmOnly now does he want to wait for the “official report from the Pentagon and most importantly the WhiteHouse”?
uh huh…
Don’t worry… we won’t be holding our collective breath for an apology over yet another LIE.
shame
Choose one Santorum:
Noun
June 21st, 2006 at 11:21 pmS: (n) shame (a painful emotion resulting from an awareness of inadequacy or guilt)
S: (n) shame, disgrace, ignominy (a state of dishonor) “one mistake brought shame to all his family”; “suffered the ignominy of being sent to prison”
S: (n) pity, shame (an unfortunate development) “it’s a pity he couldn’t do it”
Verb
S: (v) dishonor, disgrace, dishonour, attaint, shame (bring shame or dishonor upon) “he dishonored his family by committing a serious crime”
S: (v) shame (compel through a sense of shame) “She shamed him into making amends”
S: (v) shame (cause to be ashamed)
S: (v) shame (surpass or beat by a wide margin)
Let’s see, Two Senators read from a declassified document on the record, and you guys all have hard-ons about an unknown source at the Pentagon unwilling to go on the record by name and you call Santorum’s assertions crap? Get real.
Let this Pentagon source come forward, otherwise the declassified document trumps all of your spin.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:21 pmThen wait with your mouth shut.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:24 pmI’m surprised the Administration,working with part of the military,haven’t managed to plant some “evidence” of a WMD program.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:24 pmIt may happen yet.
Uh Pete?
I hate to burst your bubble, but..
Do you think if anyone had found any real Weapons of Mass Destruction, that the White House would be out squawking about it while every news channel in the world is broadcasting from the rooftops?
Get a grip dude.
You’re still in trouble.
Now shut up and go buy a soldier a helmet upgrade kit.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:25 pmCaption:
Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right, here I am, stuck in the middle with, um, me…
June 21st, 2006 at 11:26 pmComment by Pete
June 21st, 2006 at 11:28 pmOh, no. That would mean that your farts and bad breadth is another kind of “degraded” WMD.
#28 and #29
June 21st, 2006 at 11:30 pmI cant stop laughing.
Uhhh clubber I hate to burst YOUR bubble, but the weapons found were prohibited under relevant resolutions. Your ship is sinking and November is fast approaching.
Get over it. WMD is WMD.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:32 pmLet this Pentagon source come forward, otherwise the declassified document trumps all of your spin.
Comment by Pete
I detect an off-year flop sweat, with just a hint of whinyness.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:32 pmThe caption of the actual photo, in yellow passing letters: Serial Killer (s). I might add.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:33 pmNow, that is a good caption.
I detect an off-year flop sweat, with just a hint of whinyness.
Comment by Zookeeper
Let’s not bring the DNC talking points into this discussion mmmk?
June 21st, 2006 at 11:34 pmComment by Pete
June 21st, 2006 at 11:34 pmInsightful. You must be lecturing in MIT, I guess.
[…] UPDATE 3: Think Progress reports that “A Defense Department official told (Fox News’s Jim) Angle flatly that the munitions hyped by Santorum and Hoekstra are “not the WMDs for which this country went to war.” […]
June 21st, 2006 at 11:35 pm1 santorum = 6 years
June 21st, 2006 at 11:35 pmWMD is WMD.
Comment by Pete
Pete,
Degraded WMD are degraded WMD. Degraded, defunct, denied…Now, run along.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:35 pmSince when is the Defense Department an expert on WMDs?
June 21st, 2006 at 11:36 pmLet’s not bring the DNC talking points into this discussion mmmk?
Comment by Pete
Weak, damn that’s weak. Dismissed.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:37 pmFrom FOX’s website:
Offering the official administration response to FOX News, a senior Defense Department official pointed out that the chemical weapons were not in useable conditions.
“This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991,” the official said, adding the munitions “are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html
June 21st, 2006 at 11:37 pmThe best source on this is the Duelfer report from 2005 addendum.
“ISG assesses that Iraq and Coalition Forces will
continue to discover small numbers of degraded
chemical weapons, which the former Regime mislaid
or improperly destroyed prior to 1991. ISG believes
the bulk of these weapons were likely abandoned,
forgotten and lost during the Iran-Iraq war because
tens of thousands of CW munitions were forward
deployed along frequently and rapidly shifting battlefronts.
• All but two of the chemical weapons discovered
since OIF were found in southern Iraq where the
majority of CW munitions were used against Iran in
the Iran-Iraq war.”
So what we have here is 2 wankers coming on 1 year after this report, and repeating what the report already said and predicted.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:39 pmWeak, damn that’s weak. Dismissed.
Comment by Zookeeper
Oh well, if you say so.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:39 pm#42 - Ouch, that’s gonna leave a mark. :-D
June 21st, 2006 at 11:39 pmWMD is WMD.
Comment by Pete
Oh yea.
We’re all sitting here at home just sweating a Mustard Gas attack.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:40 pmThe MSM as well as the Busheviks have ignored an especially significant point regarding chemical weapons: THEY HAVE A SHELF LIFE. The stuff degrades over time so that eventually it becomes no more than toxic waste. You would not want to consume it, but the material is no longer a weapon. I heard this discussed just once some years ago on C-SPAN. All the chemical wapons from the 80’s and early 90’s that we “knew they had” has long since degraded. A while back our troops encountered one such mortar shell that was used as a (failed) IED. That was another incident that was trumpeted by the wingnuts as “proof” and, at the time, the shelf life issue was again ignored.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:40 pmDegraded WMD are degraded WMD. Degraded, defunct, denied…Now, run along.
Comment by Zookeeper
At the time those WMD’s were produced and hidden, they were required by law to be declared and destroyed.
Degradation is irrelevant.
Try again.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:41 pmWMD. Weapons that are capable of a high order of destruction and/or of being used in such a manner as to destroy large numbers of people.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:41 pmWell, how about high cholesterol, tobacco and TV?
We’re all sitting here at home just sweating a Mustard Gas attack.
Comment by CLUBBER WORFEUS
Ask the Japanese if there’s any wisdom in “sweating” a mustard gas attack.
How quickly the left forgets.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:42 pmLike I said Pete, when the Mustard Gas attack comes, we’ll call you and tell you to hold your breath.
Cool?
June 21st, 2006 at 11:43 pmAsk the Japanese if there’s any wisdom in “sweating†a mustard gas attack.
How quickly the left forgets.
Comment by Pete — June 21, 2006 @ 11:42 pm
Oh yea. That was a major disaster.
How many million were wiped out again?
June 21st, 2006 at 11:44 pmWhat?
It didn’t kill a millions?
Not even 1 million?
Oh.
Well how many thousands then?
:|
June 21st, 2006 at 11:46 pmAsk the Japanese if there’s any wisdom in “sweating†a mustard gas attack. How quickly the left forgets.
How moronic the right can be. The Japanese attack was sarin, not mustard gas.
At the time those WMD’s were produced and hidden, they were required by law to be declared and destroyed. Degradation is irrelevant.
Moron, these were pre-1991 at which time Iraq was not under the resolution.
And thats not what the Duelfer report said. They said that some old degraded shells had been found, probably left over from the Iran-Iraq war. Probably more of the same. These were not the WMDs that the iSG was looking for
June 21st, 2006 at 11:47 pmComment by Pete
I guess you didnt protest when US sold them to Hussein, right? And, as you are so fond of law, was that selling under the law?
Degradation is irrelevant.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:48 pmIf that was true, radioactive elements on Earth would not have allowed the development of life. Please, you were doing fine.
See Pete, in order for it to classify as Weapons of MASS destruction, then it needs to kill MASSES of people.
Not 30.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:49 pmmy goodness santorum’s an idiot
June 21st, 2006 at 11:51 pmI guess if they found a real big Anvil, like on the Road Runner cartoons you’d guys would label it as a WMD, right?
June 21st, 2006 at 11:53 pmAll of Iraq’s WMDs were destroyed….remember.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:53 pmSantorum seems to discover a new way to piss me off every day. I’m so glad I found a great way to relieve the tension: kick him in the face.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:55 pmYou are an idiot Jihadi.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:57 pmThats pretty good Houdinis Ghost.
June 21st, 2006 at 11:58 pm#4
What the hell does that have to do with the subject. Can you trolls at least focus and stay on point.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:01 am>>All of Iraq’s WMDs were destroyed….remember.
Yes, they were. See the link to the Iraq survey group above. These were forgotten, defunct shells.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:01 am#61 - Stupid dial-up. I’ll look at it tomorrow at work.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:02 amLook, if they can’t push a button and hit us with it in 20 minutes, its NOT WMD.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:06 amHey PETE, GUESS WHAT???
I found some WMD too!
They’re in North Korea, and they got your name on them.
Now go get em tiger.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:07 amThe actual defense department? As opposed to the fake one that fox calls up? Yeah.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:11 amGood old “Rapture Rick.” We may not know where he lives, but we know for sure what lengths he’ll go to to hand on to his “K-Street Servant” position.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:13 amTwo words for ya Pete:
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:13 amWord #1: INERT
Word #2: 1988
what a couple of dipshits. Ditto for Pete, mostly because I don’t like his tone.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:14 amThought for the day:
When someone asks you if you’re better off that you were four years ago, it’s entirely a post-9/11 question.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:15 am#69 jajajajaja.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 amNo I’m serious Pete.
I found some REAL WMD in North Korea.
THARS NUKES IN THEM THAR HILLS BOY!!!!
So come on. What are you tough talking John Wayne shoot from the hip cowboys gonna do to protect us from the WMD????
Thats ALL you ever talk about, so you’re gonna go get them, right????
I’m waiting.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:18 amPete, as long as we are following the law…..
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:21 amwhere was hannity during this exchange? what was he saying?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 ami read on another thread that he was all excited (wink wink) about this…
Pete,
Don’t pretend that you are a bigger asshole than you actually are.
WMD means weapon of mass destruction.
A shell with which you cannot kill large number of people, by logic, cannot be
WMD. A shell that is not usable as a weapon of mass destruction, by logic, is not a weapon of mass destruction.
Get it?
These shells are not WMDs because they are old, useless items containing degraded material that is simply not lethal enough to kill large number of people, or any number of people for that matter.
And noone in the Bush administration told us in 2002 that we would have to invade Iraq to find Iraq’s old degraded chemical shells that they produced
during the 80s and then they forgot. All right?
They claimed that we had to invade Iraq because they had a new, effective, deployable chemical, biological arsenal and an active nuclear program and all of that posed a huge threat to the US.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:29 amWhich was hogwash.
gringo
At the time these weapons were produced, they were required to have been declared and destroyed. UNDERSTAND. Or are you the asshole who’s actually the stupid one?
Ask Japan if a sarin shell’s contents are dangerous.
And I’m sorry to tell you guys, Sarin and mustard gas is a prhibited weapon of mass destruction and was listed under UN resolutions are weapons Iraq was not to be in posession of.
Holy shit. Mustard gas isn’t a WMD. You guys really need to go to school.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:39 amFor the record, I was in Japan, when the sarin gas attacks occurred on five subway cars. Twelve or thirteen people died, but hundreds more still suffer from the after-effects–some of them seriously so (ie. completely bedridden). It is said that just covering one’s mouth and nose with a damp hankerchief or face towel can prevent the worst effects.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:39 amPete would be excited if they found slingshots.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:40 ampete, you sound like a smug bastard. maybe you should go to Iraq and show us the wmd’s and stop hating people you’ve never met. so much hate fostered towards somebody is never a good thing. my advice is that you should stop watching Fox news, go to a bar and get at some sloppy hooker-sex, cause we know how you right-wingers love wierd sex … maybe go see a donkey show in mexico, you can do that easily now that Bush has NAFTA.
seriously, we’ve shitted on this region of the world long enough, don’t you think?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:42 amPete,
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:43 amI am a Democrat because I want smart people running shit. Your fox news mentality demonstrates that you are obviously not among the smart people. And yes, the lower case is deliberate. Lying slime like fox does not deserve the extra effort required to use the Shift key. I at least gave your name that courtesy.
Lora. I am not belittling the deaths or suffering of anyone. I am however SCOFFING at the ridiculous comparison by PissPot Pete here, who thinks that the Japan subway attacks somehow equate to “Weapons of Mass Destruction”.
I could kill more people with my PickUp Truck and a bottle of Jack.
100 people does not a “Masses” make.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:47 amHow the hell does Alan Colmes collect a Fox News paycheck and still sleep at night?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:47 amThere’s way more smug tone here and it sure isn’t me.
All the evidence of attempts to secure WMD is documented with UNMOVIC and the IAEA.
“It is obvious that there is an attempt here, based on the whole history of this operation since 1991, to protect whatever remains of his capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the missiles to deliver them, and the feed stocks necessary to produce them.”
Bill Clinton 1998
Keep up the Hussein apologetics guys.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:48 amPete,
I am a Democrat because I want smart people running shit.
Comment by thebob
Well, you must be disappointed a lot. If you guys are so smart, why do you keep losing. Kinda qualifies the intellect of the DNC don’t ya think?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:50 amEurasia, Eastasia does it matter who we’re at war with? just keep the fear coming, it keeps me in line and stops my thoughtcrime in its tracks.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:51 amahem…..Rick San-o-tarium perhaps?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:55 amMaybe he needs one?
and Democrats or Republicans, don’t matter. I think America can agree that corporations have hi-jacked the government, and the government let them do it. Corporations run the GOP, Bankers run the Dems. what we need is not bi-partisan politics, but tri-partisan, or even multi-partisan politics. Anybody who buys into the whole left/right ethos is a fool. We are all working men, we all get screwed by the same-old governmental body.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:55 ambtw the only way to win back America is finance reform.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:56 amPete,
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:56 amJust like fox is not news, “kinda” is not a word. You are so good at proving my point.
How the hell does Alan Colmes collect a Fox News paycheck and still sleep at night?
Comment by Charles — June 22, 2006 @ 12:47 am
Actually he doesn’t sleep. He’s dead.
The blood was drained from his body a long time ago, and his brain and Spinal System removed.
Then his frame was propped up with a broomstick shoved up his rump, and Sean Hannity sticks his hand in a hole drilled in the back of his skull, from where he works his mouth, and rolls his eyes around.
Fox felt he would seem more “lifelike” this way, and appear to have more of a spine then when he was alive.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:58 amKeep up the Hussein apologetics guys.
Comment by PissPot Pete — June 22, 2006 @ 12:48 am
No one is apologizing for Hussein you dimwit.
We’re just not as afraid of a bunch of dusty old leaky shell casings as you big, bad republicans apparently are.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:01 amI believe Santorum is just doing what he does to preserve his 97th ranking in he Senate. But I also believe living in Ohio I have the distinction of having two ranked in the bottom ten. And they don’t usually say stupid things like Santorum. However DeWines NSA proposal is a humdinger. It is to permit NSA to spy without FISA. For 45 days. Then if they tell Congress its OK. Or some stupid bullshit like that. Soon as he gets off the abortion kick and off the porch to run with the big dogs he falls on his ass. If we don’t have two of the lamest Senators this side of Oklahoma and north of Mississippi and Alabama I don’t know who does.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:17 am[…] Here is Santorum getting punked on Fox News by Alan Colmes (ht Think Progress): […]
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:25 am#85 Flavius,
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:31 amI didn’t think you were belitting the deaths and suffering of the victims of the sarin attack on the Tokyo subways. I merely wanted to set the record straight, as I was in Tokyo when it happened and am very familiar with the details. I was trying to take a neutral position.
August,
I’m buying what you’re selling. ( And I mean that is the most complimentary way!) It’s all about the $$$ !!!
t-mac
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:32 amSen. Santorum is a certified GOP lunatic and whoever supports or defends him as well!
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:35 amPete,
Just like fox is not news, “kinda†is not a word. You are so good at proving my point.
Comment by thebob
It’s always the failed-arguer who points to grammar. You can resume your mental slumber now.
BTW. Keep the rhetoric up. November’s looking really good if this is the best you guys can muster. Fox news? Holy shit. Every other media outlet is picking this up too, are they all in on the Fox News conspiracy?
I love reading the comments here, it’s very comforting.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:36 amWhy do Democrats continue to even vote on say the Iraq Resolution put forth by the GOP why didn’t they ALL abstain? It’s a non-binding vote anyway right?
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:37 amFurthermore, why don’t ALL the Democrats just simply refuse to opine on ANY Fox News
programming?
I will assure you if they ALL did such a thing it would not only bring major attention to the
GOP tactics but to the Fox News blatant bias as well.
My last point is after 911 Mr. Bush had the WHOLE world and the WHOLE of the USA
behind him now the World holds us in great disdain and the electorate in America is more
against as a majority almost all of the issues the President now espouses. So WHY can’t
we rationally BLAME him now for all the grave issues facing this nation?
So Rick has thrown down the ‘gauntlet’, has he? Loftily expecting BushCo to appear before him, with the ‘evidence’ to contradict his assertions? And he is even willing to wait for the response, but it had better be a ‘formal’ one! Dick Cheney is gonna slap the lips right off of his face for this one. Whoa.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:37 amThe shells had “To Saddam–Compliments of Ronald Reagan” stenciled on the side.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:40 amWhy do Democrats continue to even vote on say the Iraq Resolution put forth by the GOP why didn’t they ALL abstain? It’s a non-binding vote anyway right?
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:42 amFurthermore, why don’t ALL the Democrats just simply refuse to opine on ANY Fox News
programming?
I will assure you if they ALL did such a thing it would not only bring major attention to the
GOP tactics but to the Fox News blatant bias as well.
My last point is after 911 Mr. Bush had the WHOLE world and the WHOLE of the USA
behind him now the World holds us in great disdain and the electorate in America is more
against as a majority almost all of the issues the President now espouses. So WHY can’t
we rationally BLAME him now for all the grave issues facing this nation?
No doubt also signed by Donnie Rumsfailed. I wonder why scrotorum is rerunning the old GOP fake out WMD stuff now. I thought his focus was on Guns, Gays and God - but in GOP land it is never too late to do a fake news story on the fake news station FAUX news.
Watching the RETHUGlicans selfdestruct is at least entertaining.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:48 amSean Hannity, did today with this ‘The WMD have been found and Bush/the GOP are no vindicated’ nonsense what Fox News does to live and breathe. It’s a perfect example of the methods that they employ on a daily basis.
Fox News Executives, hosts and reporters have this philosophy and mission statement when it comes to reporting/covering the news:
* Even if we think it’s bullshit and even if we KNOW that it’s bullshit, we will throw it out there anyway to our viewers because we know damn well how dumb and gullible most of them really are and that they are willing to believe us without a doubt or question in their minds. So, we know that our lies and deceptions will be seen/heard as completely truthful and factual and will be perpetuated to all with whom they associate and used against those who disagree.
We will employ all means necessary to brand Democrats and any critic of this administration or ourselves for that matter, as un-American and as people that will destroy this country while branding this administration and their (our) supporters as true, patriotic Americans and the only thing standing between them (us) and tyranny.
We care less about our reputation as serious journalists, or as an establishment with any level of integrity or respect than we do our desire and ability to brainwash as many gullible people and those who can’t think for themselves as often as possible. The conservatives who can actually see through and recognize what we are doing and identify it as intense fabrication and pure propoganda, will still appreciate and encourage what we are doing. They insist and expect that we press forward with our mission and the tactics we use, nonetheless.
So, in the long run, we achieve our mission-to make our audience firmly believe and assert that everything the Bush Administration and the Republicans do is good and right and everything the Democrats do is bad and wrong. If anyone at Fox News strays from this mission, they will be terminated immediately.*
The new slogan Fox News has been using as of late?
“FOX NEWS: THE NETWORK AMERICA TRUSTS”
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:49 amRallying cry the last 3 years: “There are no WMDs in Iraq”.
Scratch that, new motto: “There are no post-1991 WMDs in Iraq.”
Please. A small Ricin program was found shortly after the war along with 2 shells containing nerve agent. I might have to consult Kos or Atrios, but those are WMDs. Not as much as Powerll claimed, but enough to sink the “No WMDs” canard promoted endlessly by those “searching for the truth”.
What is the next grand anti-war lie to fall? The fact that WMDs were the lone rationale given to remove Saddam’s regieme? Surely that meme can stand the test of time under the usual intense scrutiny from the avowedly conservative media.
And please, let the Defense Department speak for itself instead of massaging a quote into a regurgitated Kos talking point.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:55 ampost by T-Mac
August,
I’m buying what you’re selling. ( And I mean that is the most complimentary way!) It’s all about the $$$ !!!
I’m selling lemonade, good-old grandstand american-made lemonade. taste it … go ahead … it tastes like freedom. now buy some or i’ll scare the WMD’s out of you!!!!!
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:06 amWMDeeeez Nuuuuts!!!!
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:12 amLike I said earlier nimrod.
We found the weapons of mass destruction.
They’re in North Korea.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:12 amDoes Apple Computer Inc. pay this site to post clip only in the QuickTime format? Shame since 95% of computers users use a Windows-PC. Thank God for dual-formats at Crooks and Liars. I think Think Progress should offer full disclosure about your preference for QuickTime.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:15 am“Holy shit. Mustard gas isn’t a WMD. You guys really need to go to school.”
-Pete
According to my colleague who worked at Ft. Dietrick, mustard gas is not a WMD. In fact, no chemical weapons are WMDs. Most biological weapons are not even WMDs. Only nuclear, and human-human contagious lethal biological weapons are WMDs. Nuclear, chemical and biological weapons are classified together as NBCs.
Is this nitpicking? Sure, but not nearly as ridiculous as your nitpicking, Pete.
A shell which was loaded with a chemical that degrades no longer has that chemical in it when it degrades. The lifetime of these weapons is months once the progenitor chemicals are loaded into the shells. The weapons in question were not lethal even at the beginning of the first gulf war.
You argue that they were required to destroy them. In every meaningful way, they were destroyed before the demand was even made. By loading the chemicals into the shells, and letting them age beyond the point of usefulness, they were destroyed.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:16 amI’m also selling my copies of 1984 — FOR BURNING!!!!
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:18 amHow would Americans behave if told: 50,000 troops will be stationed in permanent bases around Chicago and Houston? We’re saving them so well that 40,000 civilians have been killed in three years? How many people died on 911? Who attacked us? So make sure and get your magnetic bumper ribbon for the car encouraging our young resourseful people can breathe in depleted uranium dust while dodging bombs and bullets as we occupy a people. Americans would not stand one day of occupation without violent resistence. “China has overthrown our government ,lets give them a few more years, or else you know the north might attack the south again.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:20 amAccording to my colleague who worked at Ft. Dietrick, mustard gas is not a WMD. In fact, no chemical weapons are WMDs. Most biological weapons are not even WMDs. Only nuclear, and human-human contagious lethal biological weapons are WMDs. Nuclear, chemical and biological weapons are classified together as NBCs.
Comment by Njorl — June 22, 2006
Those weapons programs were included in the UNMOVIC report of declarations made by Iraq on it’s prohibited weapons programs.
I don’t give a rip what your colleague says, all that matters is what UNMOVIC and the IAEA says.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:20 am‘The shells had “To Saddam–Compliments of Ronald Reagan†stenciled on the side.’
Comment by Above the Clouds — June 22, 2006 @ 1:40 am
That is a popular misconception. While the US sold Iraq the chemicals required to eliminate evidence that a chemical attack took place, it was not the US that sold him the materials to make the weapons. It was France and Germany (multinationals based in those countries, really) that actually sold Saddam the chemicals and equipment. They were supposedly selling him the means to manufacture pesticide, but everyone knew what was going on.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:23 am‘The shells had “To Saddam–Compliments of Ronald Reagan†stenciled on the side.’
Comment by Above the Clouds — June 22, 2006 @ 1:40 am
HAHAHA!!!! I LOVE THAT I LUUUV IT!
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:28 amPete, I thought you were a RNC paid Rovian troll. You know the pimply assed young republicans you find on campuses all over the country trying to work their way up the Republican food chain. They hire these guys to spew idiotic Republican made up talking points and blather. You however, don’t seem to quite fill the profile you’re not quite smooth enough or bright enough. Maybe there is a dearth of smarmy self hating latent homosexuals to recruit from and the RNC is taking a page from military recruiting efforts and are enlisting the mentally retarded.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:36 am“I don’t give a rip what your colleague says, all that matters is what UNMOVIC and the IAEA says.
Comment by Pete”
Please then. What do they say, and how do the weapons found demonstrate a violation of anything? If you go down the road of niggling technical stupidity to prove your point, you can’t leave anything out. State the agreements that were violated, the manner of the violation and demonstrate that no possible mitigating factors excuse the violations. Generalities such as “He had to declare and destroy his WMDs” are not adequate.
We who have sanity on our side (the damn things were no longer weapons, let alone WMDs) do not need to do this. We can simply see that they were no longer weapons at all. We can see that no one who wants a WMD capacity would hide their weapons in a manner that renders them USELESS! But you who do not value common sense or sanity, but only value the letter of the law must demonstrate that you have an airtight case citing all pertainant law in an exhaustive manner.
Please, go right ahead.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:37 amTold ya, bitches. I wasn’t lying…
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June 22nd, 2006 at 2:38 amHoekstra actually impressed me once, the Sunday he spoke against Hayden’s nomination.
“Bottom line, I do believe he’s the wrong person at the wrong place at the wrong time…we should not have a military person, leading a civilian agency, at this time.”
Describing possibility of DoD taking over Intelligence, he said that the danger “…is that the military has a very different perspecitive on the world.”
Well what do you know! Now there’s TWO different perspectives on the world, Rick!!!
If he’s looking shocked or chagrined, I don’t see it on his face.
Mr. Sanitorinsanium’s, I could read.
What’s Hoekstra thinking…
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:38 am“You know the pimply assed young republicans you find on campuses all over the country trying to work their way up the Republican food chain.”
Comment by yeranalyst
Seriously, where can I sign up for THAT job?
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:39 am[…] Why? There are a lot of reasons. But part of it is because he pulls stupid crap like this. Today, Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA) and Rep. Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) held a press conference and announced “we have found weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.†Santorum and Hoekstra are hyping a document that describes degraded, pre-1991 munitions that were already acknowledged by the White House’s Iraq Survey Group and dismissed. […]
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:40 am“all that matters is what UNMOVIC and the IAEA says.”
comment by pete
hehehe. look who has the last laugh now … looks like you all need to brush up on your UNMOVIC, huh?
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:43 amthought so. git’r'dun pete.
to #124
I just agreed that Hayden was a bad choice, but that’s my batting average. 0-for all appointments.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:43 amQ:What was the Bush administration’s reason for invading Iraq?
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:46 amA: they found heiroglyphs of WMD on the pyramid ruins.
Does Apple Computer Inc. pay this site to post clip only in the QuickTime format? Shame since 95% of computers users use a Windows-PC. Thank God for dual-formats at Crooks and Liars. I think Think Progress should offer full disclosure about your preference for QuickTime.
Comment by Nigel Elliott — June 22, 2006 @ 2:15 am
Nigel
Its all good buddy.
Quicktime is a free plugin like Macromedia Flash Player. Its no biggie. Just download it for free and run the install and bada boom bada bing, you’re done.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:50 amSeriously, where can I sign up for THAT job?
Comment by August — June 22, 2006 @ 2:39 am
Try http://www.spankmee.com
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:53 am“www.spankmee.com”
posted by CLUBBER WORFEUS
LOL, no wait ROFLOL!
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:02 amhttp://www.lemonparty.org
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:02 amKJ Lovell:
I wonder why scrotorum is rerunning the old GOP fake out WMD stuff now. I thought his focus was on Guns, Gays and God - but in GOP land it is never too late to do a fake news story…
Ummm, he’s almost 20 points down in the polls. Hope that answers your question. That, and the fact that he’s a certified lunatic….
Cheers,
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:16 amWhat’s with this Pete guy? There is no questionable WMDs here.
Even if these BS weapons were active they simply do not threaten the United States in any shape or form and never did.
Sounds like desperation to me. I remember the bio lab illustrations they used to sell us this nightmare invasion.
They were supposed to be proof of chemical weapons. What a bunch of crap. It’s all been a pack of lies.
Pete you either have your brain attached to the Republican Matrix or you just get off being the center of attention. Which is it?
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:16 am‘It’s all been a pack of lies.’
posted by mike
hey, you’re a Phil Collins fan, huh?
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:40 amOver here in Europe I see that CNN are still scrolling this story as if it was breaking news. A day late and a dollar short as usual.
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:40 amyou keep you general euro-nastiness out of this, okay.
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:50 amHey, CLUBBER WORFEUS.
Aren’t you supposed to be Nigerian and want my bank account #?
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:55 amI’m strictly red, white and blue. Just over here yelling “Soccer” in crowded German football stadiums.
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:57 amHey, CLUBBER WORFEUS.
Aren’t you supposed to be Nigerian and want my bank account #?
Comment by nova silverpill — June 22, 2006 @ 3:55 am
In truth I ask was there a question in there?
If so, what pray tell is its meaning?
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:59 amSantorum and Faux News - if that isn’t dumb and dumber, I do not know what is. 500 nonfunctional chemical munitions from the Iran-Iraq war is not news. Santorum is desperate to defuse some of the anger over the Iraq war so he can make his sinking Senate campaign competitive. 2508 US soldiers have died for this nonsense, 20000 have been wounded, it has cost over 400 billion dollars, and the bin Laden is sipping tea in his cave cheering our stupidity.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:04 am‘I’m strictly red, white and blue. Just over here yelling “Soccer†in crowded German football stadiums. ‘
posted by stantheman
I’m just kidding, man. but seriously, soccer is un-american and you should know better. :)
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:16 amI’m just kidding, man. but seriously, soccer is un-american and you should know better. :)
Comment by August — June 22, 2006 @ 4:16 am
S’OK, August, I, hopefully, detected the irony/humorous/playful nature of your response. I also yell “Cricket” in baseball stadiums (especially Arlington) on July 4th. Must go. The Hoffbrauhouse is calling. LOL
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:24 amNevermind the fact that the document came from the DOD.
Regardless, it still blows the liberal “they didn’t have any” mantra to hell.
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:05 amSantorum is the biggest laugh in Washington. I guess the Congress needs a Pagliacci but this guy’s greed and hunger are so obvious that he’s becoming an icon for the seven sins. Why are all these “chritians” politicians such rats?
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:10 amtypically, with the case of the far right, their misleading claims have done more damage as intended, than any subsequent revelations (which tend to receive a fraction of the press) that they were misleading in the first place does to the original misleaders. (on the other hand, when it comes to democrats, this is often reversed, because of the great republican spin machine — so imagine how effective they are when they actually catch the democrats in a mistake — and the propensity of the media with respect to democrats.)
sometimes things can be boiled down to their simplest elements. this is one of those things.
if this above trend were not true, the far right, instead of dominating the national debate, would be recognized as just that, i.e., “the far right,” — and close to the bottom of the bell curve instead of being represented by a large portion of our current Congress, the current White House, and now three and very likely 4 of the current Supreme Court Justices.
the reason is also simple: this is their motus operandi. to spin, distort, find things with which to attack democrats, liberals, moderates, and anybody else they want to lable as “left wing,” the media, mislead by rhetoric that appeals to our worst emotions and biases…manufacture facts or simply blatantly mislead..
when “mistakes” such as these are effectively turned around on the far right wing, they will cease to have the almost national debate defining (shifting) effect that they have, and will more aptly serve to define the far right wing. (which will then in turn engage this tactic less often or egregiously, and thus manipulate less, but if they don’t it will harm more than help)
therefore, what needs to be done, in THIS and EVERY instance, is turn the misleading statement, into a bigger story, than the impact of the statement itself.
this is not done, because democrats often assume facts speak for themselves. but to most of America, they don’t, because most of America hears competing claims, or what it “wants to hear,” constant rhetoric, and because the initial impact of the story tends to be far more potent, and often spun more significantly in the news (which is another reason why the “manipulation” itself has to become the story. then the fact that santorum, for example, tried to manipulate becomes the lead potent story).
this manufactured claim to try and manipulate or mislead the public, by taking what were long recognized stockpiles of old, no longer viable gas agents, and try to sell it to the public that this is what seeking to remove WMD via active military engagement with Iraq was all about, needs to be constantly blogged and commented on outside of predominantly liberal or democratic sites, emailed, and telephoned to the media, over and over and over and over and over, until the story that Rick Santorum either doesn’t understand what the Iraq and WMD question was all about, or was purposefully trying to manipulate the public, becomes a BIGGER story than the gosh awful story that Iraq had some old sarin/mustard gas stockpiles from before the gulf war well over a decade ago.
by the way anonymous liberal. this not only negates the “wash, repeat, rinse” cycle that has led to the political domination of America this millenium, it turns it into a weapon against them.
as for that fox channel that reported on this, see this short piece on their “no spin” spinmeister, saying some absolutely incredible things….
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:23 amand lets throw in three pieces on the seminal issues of our day, that journalists are poorly covering. particularly ironic, given the content of the middle piece
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 06/ secrecy-and-security.html
http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/ 2006/ 05/ imprisoning-journalists.html
http://www.pressthenews.com/specter-nsa1.htm
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:29 amI am moving to Pennsylvania on Sunday - looking forward to voting that imbecile Santorum out of office!
To me, Santorum represents precisely what sucks about America. I won’t patronize you with the details, since I am sure we all agree on them, but America mostly doesn’t suck, and its people like Santorum that remind us again of Plato’s cautions about democratic states.
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:47 am[…] The Defense Department says no. Permalink| […]
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:49 amPete
These were degraded shells found mostly along an old war front. Now if France was told to get rid of all of its chemical weapons, would the unexploded gas shells from WWI count?
Further, if Saddam had WMD’s in working condition when America invaded why didn’t Saddam use them?
Further, if something is degraded to the point where it isn’t usable doesn’t that mean it is basically for all intents and purposes destroyed?
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:55 amPete:
1. If all mustard and sarin munitions are illegal the world around, then the US is in direct violation of international law. The US holds the largest active stockpiles of both. Would that imply that the rest of the world is justified in launching a pre-emptive attack on the US?
2. We were sold a bill of goods not on old stockpiles of weapons, but on active, ongoing production of WMDs. Remember the vial of baby powder (or whatever it was) and the bad drawings of so-called “mobile weapons labs”? The fact that to this day you’re still trying to justify that one would be funny if it weren’t so sad.
3. The US is, and there’s no way to argue around this, is direct violation of international law, including the Nuremberg code which was WRITTEN MAINLY BY THE US ITSELF. So stop referring to UN resolutions and international law as if you cared an iota about it. The US doesn’t give a d**n about international law and the Bush crime family has repeatedly said so.
Pete: go F yourself (as your dear leader Cheney would say)…
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:56 amDude, when you get punked by Alan Colmes fer crissakes, you might as well end it now and slit your wrists in the tub. Sheesh!
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:09 am#145
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:39 amA case in point about wingnut media strategy. A few weeks ago a regular NY Post columnist, Taheri, published a report that all Jews in Iran were going to be required to wear identifying clothing. The story originated with Mossad agent Conrad Black’s New Post, was picked up by the Jerusalem Post, and subsequently promulgated by Taheri and the Wiesenthal Institute. It was debunked almost immediately. Did the NY Post print a retraction? Did Taheri apologize for his disinformation? Two days later, the Post published a whole raft of outraged letters to the editor calling for the destruction of Iran due to their heinous behavior toward Jews. Santorum is doing exactly the same thing - floating a completely false story and eagerly awaiting the rabid response of his constituents.
What an ignorant fool Senator Sanctimoron is…..he says he’ll wait to hear what the Defense Department says “or more importantly what the Administration” says.
RICK you ignorant homophobe….the Defense Department IS the Administration. The Secretary of Defense works for Bush….All agencies of the Federal government and their respective Secretaries ARE the Administration.
This is just one more example of why Sanctimoron needs to be retired on November 7. Only 137 more days until he’s an official has-been.
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:42 amI can’t stand that anti-choice, lisping, Alito-loving wuss Bob Casey, but Lil Ricky has finally done the impossible — he’s got me endorsing BOB CASEY — and for that, I hate him even more.
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:20 am“… I’d like to know who that Defense Department employee is…” so’s I can get his whisltblowin’ ass out on the street ASAP.
calling Santorum a moron is to insult morons.
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:44 amI agree with all of these right-wing *ahem* intellectuals here. Iraq should have been invaded because it had chemical weapons it was required to destroy in a set amount of time. Following that logic though we could be introuble.
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:45 am
What a dumbass liar. This stupid son-of-a-bithc is 18 points behind and all this coiffed queer does is tell another GOP lie. Hurry up November ‘06! We cannot stomach this much longer.
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:55 amWMD is WMD.
Comment by Pete
Pete must have missed the Moussaoi trial.
June 22nd, 2006 at 8:16 amPlanes are WMD Pete. Yes, Airports around the world, right out in the open, tens of thousands of WMD.
The point isn’t that the lie he spoke of WMDs being discovered was said, it’s that he put the lie out there. He did his job because whenever one of these guys says anything, FOX, talk radio, right wing rags will run with it and do their best to present it as fact and force it ont he public. It doesn’t matter that it was a lie, just that he got the cryptic message out to the GOP Zombies to march in lock step to.
June 22nd, 2006 at 8:30 amBoy, that hail mary pass by Rick BOMBED! Try again. Better yet, don’t.. They’ll try any lie to win.
June 22nd, 2006 at 8:41 amThis is further proof that the far right does no research, and does not understand that others will.
I mean, what a complete pair of dumbasses to put their reputations further on the line by making this public claim without first talking to someone in the know who could verify or deny their claims. And these guys are on the same party.
Laughing-stocks, both of them for their Chicken Little Act 2006. I hope it’s the end of tehir careers. People this desperate should never have an ounce of authority.
June 22nd, 2006 at 8:53 amTricky Ricky is already 18 points down in his Senate race. After this propaganda PR stunt, he’ll drop another 10. What an asshole.
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:07 amthese bait and switch republicants are pulling out the last straws now… next they’ll be throwing out a bestiality insinuation - from man-dog no less.
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:11 amComment on 163: Wait, making comments with no research is not a far right only mentally deficient symptom, especially when you take Hillary into consideration. She’s now saying we should go back to a 55 mile per hour speed limit to save gas! As the infamous “Rev.” Jim Jones said, “Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.” The 55 mph speed did nothing but frustrate people. Saving gas means forcing auto companies to make more fuel efficient cars, get rid of the fake anti-pollution equipment, and let cars run correctly at about 70 to 100 mpg.
As far as WMD is concerned, what idiot thought the U.S. should ever become a ‘first-strike’ nation? Where have all our values gone? Human lives lost on both sides, just in case. Reminds me of “Minority Report” where you go to jail for something you might do in the future. It’s a bad precident to set, and a bad president who set it.
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:19 am[…] As Combs, and the Duelfer Report, point out, the shells our Senator mentioned were from pre-1991 (that would be before the first Gulf War) and that the Hussein government had apparently destroyed their stockpiles of chemical weapons (save for five hundred or so shells that they forgot, never maintained and, therefore, could not use). The Duelfer Report also concludes that Iraqi government did not undertake efforts to reconsitute their WMD programs once they were dismantled. Our President’s Department of Defense even dismissed the significance of Senator Santorum’s press release. […]
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:24 amPennsylvania’s Shame…
Senator Rick Santorum (R-PA) surpasses any Asshat designation I could possibly award. It is with shame that I have to consider him a native Pennsylvanian. Of course, maybe I can consider him a former PA resident, since other people live…
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:25 amDD disavows WMD claim - no matter - Santorum was on Imus this morning, holding fast to his claim that vestiges of 15 year old chemicals were the missing WMDs.
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:27 amWait, making comments with no research is not a far right only mentally deficient symptom, especially when you take Hillary into consideration.
Comment by MiddleMan — June 22, 2006 @ 9:19 am
An exception does not invalidate the rule, as nothing is 100%. Though I did not say that the left was exempt. Take the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories that several far-left folks jumped on without discrimination or consideration..
This thread is about the actions of the far-right and my commentary was in direct response to that context. It was not meant to be an absolute. I forget that the right doesn’t get that the left speaks in shades of grey.
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:32 amPete, the dems keep winning but end up losing because you guys keep stealing elections. Losers always resort to dirty underhand tactics when they are desperate, and I find these last throes of desperation on the part of sanatorum actually enjoyable. I love seeing him squirm, grovel and tremor as his forked tongue croaks into oblivion. And the worst thing of all is that he can’t do anymore what he was always best at: bash queers; Oh boo hoo hoo hoo hoo hoo. Continue grovelling and squirming, sanatorum; Your straight-(pun intended) jacket’s on its way.
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:39 amIt is very sad that the repugs use the Iraq war for political gain. At least our Democrats don’t use Iraq for political gain. Oh wait…. Pot calling the kettle black once again.
Just face it, both parties are huge pieces of crap. Both will use any success or failure to trump there position and boost political support. This story isn’t surprising. What is surprising is watching you morons act like this is the first time either party ever has used questionable information out of Iraq for political gain.
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:44 amJust another attempt by George’s propaganda network to give those in the Red(neck) states something to hang their hat on. They no that the headline “WMD’s Found” will suffice for Billy Bob and his wife/cousin Lurleen.
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:47 amOK, so let’s do the cost benefit here. over 2,500 servicemen killed and who knows how many civilians, burgeoning civil war for 500 old WMD’s. Hey, that sounds like a good deal! Five brave Americans who did what their civilian leadership asked for each inoperable piece of WMD found. What a deal!
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:51 amIt’s a test balloon. Have the 1 senator who DEFINITELY will be defeated in Nov. try out this lie. If people buy it or his #s move upwards others will follow. If not, then republicans can simply say that it was just 1 senator claiming this + that senator lost his election.
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:53 am[…] The last embarassing bit was his recycling of a years-old report of our discovery in Iraq of buried and degraded 25+ year old mustard and nerve gas, left over from the Iran-Iraq War, no doubt delivered via Donald Rumsfeld and stamped with "Made-in-the-USA". These reports have been throroughly discredited by everyone and their grandmother, but to a member of the legislature, especially one is trouble in an election year, anything looks like a lifeline. You know it's bad when both FOXNEWS and the Department of Defense discredits you. […]
June 22nd, 2006 at 9:59 amsantorum’s rebuttal tells it all. Republicans and far too many democrats just get the stories covered the way that they want and create doubt by playing the “wait and see” game. They know that the media, once hannity takes over, will ensure a completely different reality.
Even if they don’t convince the entire public that there really were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, the doubt about it is really all they need.
They plan on stealing the next election, and the proof is in the way they are creating enough doubt on the major points where they’ve been proven wrong time and again, that they can justify the lying numbers which again will almost definitely be out of sync with exit polls. Unless, of course, they can do away with exit polls.
They’ve already created a false-sense of doubt about the validity of highly accurate exit polls.
These people are lying sacks of shit and we have to understand that every single piece of information put out there from this point forward is about one thing and one thing only: mid-term elections.
All they have to do is turn the news around. They don’t care about the public. They’ve got us already taken care of through the counting of votes.
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:00 ami thought we went to war because of the IMMINENT THREAT saddam posed via his MASSIVE STOCKPILES of WMD that were poised to launch at israel or somesuch shit and saddam being 6 months away from having a nuke. even if stupid ricky (R-VA) was actually correct, its no justification whatsoever for the war as it was sold.
everyone should watch the frontline show that ran this week.
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:01 amGo to “crooks and liars” listen to Little Ricky talk about the memo, and then hold up the “Classified Memo” he recieved,then scrowl done to the post that sends you to the Offical Report, What does the last word on the report say?
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:03 amWatch out. That’s it. They want us to watch out.
You see, if we’re afraid, then we don’t talk. I’m tired of letting pussies like rick santorum and his whiny pouting shit-eating face spew lies just to move a gullible public who care nothing to think beyond the rancor.
They live for rancor.
Think about the gay marriage issue. Last election, that was the first thing thrown into the public’s face about the election going to bush, rather than the actual winner. (”It’s bin Laden in a cave in Afghanistan,” “It’s 19 Muslim Arab hi-jackers,” “The buildings fell because of fires,” “The president didn’t want to upset the children.”)
The fact that they lost the election, and that is pretty widely confirmed to any rational beings, only throws the lie into the light of day.
If they lost, it was not gay marriage that swayed the election. If they lost and still claimed victory, then gay marriage was the cover.
They need a media reason for people to vote for them. It will sway enough voters that they can take care of the extra millions to count for republicans.
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:10 amSantorum is a “DD” (a desparate dick head); but so are all republican “followhip party” members. Oh, Santorum is one of my “DD” senators.
In light of the lies and deceptions of the current administration, the biggest lie being that George Bush won even one presidential election, why on earth would Americans believe that WMDs have been found in Iraq.
I prefer to believe that Bush and/or his handlers have had sufficient time to plant, not find, WMDs there.
The Pharaohs killed slaves who worked on and knew the secrets of the Pyramids. Look for a spate of special opts people disappearing, the ones who planted these munitions months ago. In the event these are really Saddam’s munitions, it doesn’t change that fact that Bush is a liar and an illegitimate holder of the office. He is still the “little wooden head” Pinocchio with the strings still attached.
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:15 am#66
“These were forgotten, defunct shells.”
Which means that they were still filled with sarin and mustard gas and were NOT destroyed. Forgotten doesn’t mean destroyed and 500+ shells is not a small number that Saddam’s military just happen to forget about, especially when they had years to destroy them.
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:16 am#55
The U.S. DID NOT sell any WMDs to Iraq. The chemicals were produced in Iraq. The elements that Iraq used to make that chemical weapons were unfortunately were sold by the U.S. to Iraq.
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:20 am[…] The Defense Department has already knocked the story down. But on Fox this is big news, proving that Saddam Hussein had WMD, just as the administration claimed. […]
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:23 am[…] The Defense Department has already knocked the story down. But on Fox this is big news, proving that Saddam Hussein had WMD, just as the administration claimed. […]
June 22nd, 2006 at 10:24 am#79
“These shells are not WMDs because they are old, useless items containing degraded material that is simply not lethal enough to kill large number of people, or any number of people for that matter.”
So that exempted Iraq from destroying them? Good one.
“They claimed that we had to invade Iraq because they had a new, effective, deployable chemical, biological arsenal and an active nuclear program and all of that posed a huge threat to the US.”
Whis is what the CIA was saying at the time before the invasion.
“Which was hogwash.”
Correction