Dan Bartlett Stumped When Asked to Name Anyone ‘Calling for the White Flag of Surrender’
Dan Bartlett Stumped When Asked to Name Anyone ‘Calling for the White Flag of Surrender’
The White House strategy on Iraq — to smear critics as favoring “retreat and defeatism” — has provided “a much-needed psychological boost” to conservatives in Congress. At a fundraiser on Monday, President Bush himself got in on the act:
It is important to have members of the United States Congress who will not wave the white flag of surrender in this war on terror.
It apparently doesn’t matter at all to the right that their smears are completely untrue. Yesterday on NBC, Matt Lauer gave Bush councelor Dan Bartlett the opportunity to point out one person “calling for the white flag of surrender.” Bartlett couldn’t do it.
LAUER: The white flag of surrender — that’s a very dramatic and harsh expression to use against the Democrats. Have you heard any Democrats calling for the white flag of surrender?
BARTLETT: Well, I have heard a lot of Democrats call this President a liar, saying we’ve gone into Iraq for the wrong reasons, saying that he’s incomptent. So there is a lot of heated rhetoric in Washington. But what we see in the heart wrenching developments, when we see our 2 soldiers lose their lives in such a horrific way, is that we’re up against a very determined enemy. This is an epic struggle in which we have to be committed to winning.
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Wow, What an evasion.
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:54 amcut and run??? White Flag of Surrender????
LIE AND DIE
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:54 amSo Bartlett, that would be a NO? Thanks.
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:55 amGo Matt! One ball is better than none.
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:55 amLying to get into war…lying during the different stage of the war & stilll lying today….this madness needs to end, we deserve an honest and upfront government that will not lie about a war for political manuvering, these immoral souless administration needs to own up….we need to turn them over to World Courts to save face in the international community, if not US will be a rogue nation that spits on its neighbors
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:56 amBest part of course is he is helping to spread the heated rhetoric, and then claims its all a democratic problem.
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:56 amSo, rather than give us a name he’s going to show his own white flag of surrender.
Go figure. Typical evasion when you can’t back up your own statement.
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:56 am…2 soldiers lose their lives in such a horrific way, is that we’re up against a very determined enemy.
what is the story i’ve heard baraly mentioned that these 2 were killed by iraqi soldiers?
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:57 amcan anyone elaborate?
I can name 2 off the top of my head, Murtha and Kerry. Leaving Iraq this moment will is defeat regardless of how you try and spin it.
June 22nd, 2006 at 11:58 amLIE AND DIE is right.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:01 pmIs there any politician out there that will just answer the question that’s asked?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:03 pmwe ousted saddam, what is left to accomplish besides taking over the oil fields and spreading our “capitalistic democracy” to other middle east nations….thats not what the war on terror calls for, we deferated the enemy, now the country needs to be rebuilt and unless its a colony, we have no valid reason for our soliders to die…why do you hate our soliders RogerRoger? why do you wnat them to stay in iraq and get picked off for corporate profits….ENOUGH BUSHLLIT
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:03 pm#8-Katy, today’s Think Fast has a link.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:05 pmthanks cyra - i did see that… actually thought it was 2 different occurances…
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:09 pmi will go back and check it out again…
Mr. Bartlett,
The reason why you “have heard a lot of Democrats call this President a liar” is because this president IS a liar. Why must you act like there’s no connection between the two?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:10 pmit IS 2 different stories - the TPfast link is about 2 soldiers who were killed in 04, families notified 9 mos later in 05…
so what happened to the latest 2 who were found the other day?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:13 pmam i confusing the 2 stories? imagine that…
Ahhh how about a follow - up there Matt..
” again Dan….can you name one Democrat who has called for surrender”
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:13 pmNo Dan, what we see is YOU evading the question! C’mon Lippy, what’s the hold-up? And hiding behind those soldiers to do it? Jerk.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 pmWhat a freaking TOOL that Dan Bartlett is. I am so sick and tired of responses that do not answer the question. When will this Orwellian nightmare be over?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:16 pm#12 Oh, I don’t hate our soldiers and I feel really bad that we got into a war WE DIDN’T need to be in. Going to IRAQ was wrong, period. With that said, we cannot simply leave right now. We have not won the war in Iraq like you said (you don’t believe that either). I don’t care what Bush said the reasons were for invading, they were wrong end of story. But again, if we leave now, we leave a new government not fully prepaired and sadly it would make that country and the world worse off in the future (you have to see that). No one truly believes that if we leave Iraq today that the country will stabilize itself.
Then again, most democrats in congress see that as well as most disagree (Reid for example) with Kerry and Murtha. Reid has even proposed a new bill specifically saying that they won’t set a date.
We went to Iraq incorrectly, but leaving right now would be just as large of a mistake IMO.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:17 pmThe white flag is a metaphor.
Yes, the Democrats are waiving the white flag.
Clearly, Islamoterrorists are superior to all their enemies.
Engineers and Doctors fight their battles.
Mechanics and drop-outs fight our battles.
Osama? Engineer
Zawahiri? Pediatrician.
Bush? Cheerleader.
Rumsfeld? Pharma and weapons sales.
On NPR they’re running a story about soldiers who want to stay to “finish the job” in defense of the dead. These are men thinking with their hearts, not their heads.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:17 pmDan Bartlett’s response is a total non sequitur. Is he implying that anyone who questions little George’s honesty or intelligence is waiving the white flag?
One of the indicators of “insanity” is repeating the same action expecting a different outcome. Stay the course, Georgie! Don’t change your strategy or thinking — and above all, don’t admit to any error! After all, you are “The Decider”!
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmKaty, see this story on today’s ThinkFast:
The Pentagon waited nine months after completing an investigation into the deaths of two U.S. soldiers before notifying the families that the men were killed by Iraqi troops.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmCan’t we come up with better slogans than these (cut and run, lie and die–the latter doesn’t even make sense).
For starters, how about “stay and Pray”.
Also, I always thought waving a white flag was a call for a truce.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:19 pmwhat is the story i’ve heard baraly mentioned that these 2 were killed by iraqi soldiers?
can anyone elaborate?
This is another incident. The Marines just informed a mother that her son was actually killed by the Iraqi soldiers that he was training. He complained to his commander that these men were not trustworthy. He followed it up the chain of command to a Colonel who told him not to complain as the Iraqi’s had a bad enough reputation already. He told his father that he was afraid that he was training people to kill him and other US personnel.
He and another Marine were killed by Iraqi soldiers being trained by the US. The Marines new this for nine months before they informed the parents.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:21 pmHey, Dan Bratlett is waving the “Brown Flag of Bullshit”. Leave him alone. He has to get back into his car so he can listen to Michael Savage talk about the genocide of Muslims.
-GSD
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:21 pmNBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll June 9-12, 2006
“Some leaders of the Democratic Party have indicated that if the Democrats take control of Congress after the next election, they will investigate the Bush Administration’s actions in a number of areas. For each of the following areas, do you think this is something that Congress should or should not investigate? The Administration’s use of intelligence leading up to the Iraq war.”
57% Should
40% Should Not
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
Yup. A majority say investigate the lying arse.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:21 pmIt was an evasion. A response, not an answer.
Come on Matt, I’ve never gone to journalism school, but the appropriate response to his evasion is this:
“Sir, that is beside the point. Have any democratic congressmen or senators, to your knowledge, called for a white flag of surrender?” “Who has called for surrender?”
When your question is evaded, you ask it again. You make them answer your question, not provide an answer to a question that was not asked. Had Lauer asked, “What is your perspective on the general mood of Democrats in relation to the conflict in Iraq, and what is the White House’s response?”, then the answer would be appropriate.
I should be a journalist. Fancy journalism school be damned.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:22 pmblueneck,
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:23 pmBartlett is distancing from the white flag remark while at the same time defending it since Democrats call Bush a stupid liar.
RR - On the one hand you agree it was a mistake. On the other you believe if we leave now it would be “cut and run”. They lied us into this occupation (it is not war in my mind - we aren’t evening fighting a MILITARY). If you have any inkling of the history of the Middle East, then maybe you would understand what the hell is really going on. And if you KNEW the truth, which by the way is OUT THERE if you take the time to seek it, YOU WOULD BE OUTRAGED TOO.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:23 pmLauer is a stooge for NBCGOP.
-GSD
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:25 pmMatt Lauer has a tendecy to ask a semi-tough question, but doesn’t seem to have the guts to ask a hard follow up. Consider his recent interview of Ann Coulter. He kind of showed some spine, then backed off pretty quickly.
The Today show tends to the conservative side. I remember Katie Couric, saying she was going to interview the president about his, and this is a direct quote “gut wrenching decision” to attack Iraq.
So much for the liberal media. If Helen Thomas had been able to do the interview you can bet Bartlett would have been sweating like a pig by the end.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:26 pmRight. Anyone who opposes Bush helping the terrorists (now that they have two Afghanistans rather than one) is “waving the white flag of surrender”? Bush has done everything bin Laden said he wanted him to do. Bush is nothing but bin Laden’s bitch.
Man you people on the right are freaks. What gives? Genetic mutation? Emotionally scarred by hippies? Scared of non-whites? What the hell pushes people to become “conservative,” i.e., divorced from reality and supporting voodoo economics and superstition over science?
Just plain weird.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:27 pm.
A barb wire fence should be installed around the White House and turned into a prison! Everyone inside would then be where they belong in the Big House > lol.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:28 pmThen he needs to lose his job.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:29 pmJust plain weird.
and dangerous.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:30 pmok - thanks for replies - but i guess i was confusing 2 separate incidents…
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:31 pmi was originallly referring to the latest two soldiers who were “kidnapped” and brutally killed…
i thought i heard that they were killed by iriqi soldiers…
Man, that guy needs to get outside more often and get some sunlight on that shiny forehead. Is it just me, or do all those Whitehouse guys comb their hair just like junior?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:31 pm38. I’ve noticed that too - all the repukes have the same haircut.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:33 pm#30 madashell
I agree that invading Iraq was wrong. But to say that since we incorrectly invaded a country we should leave now is bad policy IMO. You and I both realize that Iraq would further destabilize and would become a mecca for those that wish harm on the US. The poor people of Iraq (which have already gone through alot) would have no hope of a future if we leave.
Again, I agree that war was wrong, but I really want someone to explain how us leaving “right now” will help the new Iraq Government. You can’t just simply say that Iraq “could” somehow stabilize itself as that is impossible.
We made this mess in Iraq, it is our duty to clean it up and make it better then when we come IMO.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:36 pmThe only white flag liberals wave is the one that goes
“White is the colour of our innocence
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:38 pmNot surrender to you mercy!”
you should be your.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:39 pmRoger-Roger - If we leave now, I truly believe that the rest of the world would help deal with the mess we left behind. What you should realize, is IT WILL NEVER END. They are building bases and the giant embassy (FORTRESS) which means WE WILL NEVER LEAVE. Do you really think that will EVER sit well with the people in Iraq? They are setting us up for what? So that we can RULE the world. Control the oil, control the world.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:42 pmi thought i heard that they were killed by iriqi soldiers…
The person taking responsibility for the beheadings is the new leader of Al Qaida in Iraq. The statement was that they “were slaughtered” which has meant beheadings in the past.
I feel so sorry for them and their families. I can’t imagine the horror.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:42 pm#43 I agree we need to get the rest of the world involved, no doubt. But we can’t just leave and then ask the world for help. That would just make the UN’s job even harder. They need to take over while we are still there.
Either way, it is all american forces doing the heavy lifting. The UN, or the world as you put it, never actually sends more then a few troops and a few $$. They would make policy like they always do. The rest of the world would decide how to use US troops and US $$.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:45 pmRoger_Roger,
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:49 pmNeither Murtha or Kerry advocate leaving Iraq “this minute.” Why don’t you get your facts straight before you come a’trollin? In fact, Kerry spoke yesterday about a July 2007 timeline for departure.
Yeesh! Bartlett has no sense of smarts or knowing how to answer a question. But Matt is still not off the hook. He has yet to give the 9/11 widows a platform and equal time to respond to Mann Coulter’s Godless slanders.
Matt Lauer is a wimp. Show some spine you stupid shit.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:49 pmOf course Bartlett can’t name any Democrat calling for a “white flag of surrender”. The meaningless, inflated retoric of the right wingnuts is sickening, but the good news is that few, if any, are listening. Mr. 33% has lost his audience.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:50 pm(warning i kinda ramble away)
#20 RogerRoger…
i debted with you when you said Iraq was related to 9-11
You called me unpatriotic when I said Bush hijacked the county
You said I hated american when I stuck up for visas & greencards after 9-11
You called me a murderer when I told you a women has a right to choose
so go cry me a river about how we should have never gone in, you were probably yelling Git Er Done as loud as you could when states were stripped of their militias allowing the country to be hijacked by washington (not helping those in need, just raping it for all its worth and then some)
so now we need to stay since we have:
unseated the “tyrant” that kept his people as slaves
set up a police force and military that will never be fully developed until they have to fight for & represent their country
set up a government that can speak for itself and has found a way to represent its people
now we have not yet taken over the oil fields, or finished our military bases - which I am ok for “cutting and running” from (more so the running, i do want to see soliders die to protect those two institutions!)
America & Iraq is a pregnant teen in the thrid trimester…we are a realitively young country that thought we knew it all and went and got ourselves in a whole bunch of problems (way over our heads) now it is too late to abort, and we don’t want to put it up for adapotion, we want it to grow storong on its own, we want this child that was born in horrible circumstances to grow up and live a full life, but will we survive, were we too young when we went and started messing with global ideology and now are futures are ruined because of this kid we are, is college out of the question and ignorance all we to look forward to?
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:51 pmRoger_Roger
Its true, America can’t just leave. Here’s the question though: What have the Republicans proposed in the way of a serious means of reaching the point where America can leave?
Have they built diplomatic relations with the nations of Europe in order to get some help from them on this? Well, if they have, they have a funny idea of the meaning of the word, diplomacy.
Did they have the permission of the UN before they invaded? Nope. It was done without UN sanction, and indeed can be called the last nail in the UN’s coffin.
The Democrats have two proposed plans for getting out of Iraq, so far the only one the Republicans have gotten was from GW, and that got laughed out of Congress. America can’t just leave, but you can’t keep your soldiers there forever, and that is what “Stay the course” works out at.
June 22nd, 2006 at 12:55 pmSorry for duplicate post.
Please remove the space following .com? and it will fix it.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:03 pmAs I posted elsewhere, Dan Harmann on Air America this morning said something that makes much sense that members of Congress might want to pay attention. In ‘03 Bush in his famous carrier declaration said the “war was ended.” OK take boy George at his word. If the war was over in ‘03 what has been going on ever since? It is not a war, that is over. So it is actually an OCCUPATION of a soverign nation, whose people have made it very clear they don’t want an army of OCCUPATION. So instead of letting the Bushcovites, Rovians and Repugnants determine the terms to be used in debate, why not force a change in the language and demand to know when the OCCUPATION OF IRAQ WILL BE ENDED. Make them talk to that point. This in my mind kills all the retoric of “cut and run” and the rest of that crap. We need to give better then we get if we are going to wake up the nation, and change the course of this nation.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:04 pmBartlett is just doing his job… Lauer failed to do his.
As Anderson Cooper pointed out on TDS last night, the press should push until they get an answer instead of just a response.
Lauer is a tool.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:09 pmJohn,
the problem with rephrasing the war in Iraq, as an occupation, is in the minds of the average american, we are not empire builders and occupiers. Occupation is something the Nazi’s did in WWII. We americans want to believe that we are the beacon of freedom and liberty our founding fathers tried to create. For the democrats to use the term occupation would insult our troops, our citizens, and our very core beliefs. Please understand, I am not trying to sound like I support the war, I am trying to be pragmatic.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:10 pm#41 Bruce - outstanding quote - another ‘tmtch’ fan. ‘the colours’ - knew it immediately.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:11 pmKRAZNY - Bush himself referred to our role in Iraq as an ‘occupation’.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:12 pm#45-rr, the rest of the world does not want to get involved, and why should they? Mr.’My way or the highway’ was not willing to give up any control, and didn’t want to have to defer to another opinion, and they SURE didn’t want to share the “spoils of war”, oh MY no! So BushCo decides the policy, hand picks the government, 3 Prime Ministers, so far, and gives no-bid contracts to American corporations, with no oversite, or accountability, spending our tax dollars, and the Iraqi people get nothing. BushCo lied to them too, and he still is No, other countries are wise to stay away, they are on to him now.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:12 pmRoger-Roger - please, please, please READ THE TRUTH, educate yourself with HISTORY. The world did not send troops because they KNEW IT WAS WRONG. France and England both tried flexing their muscles in that region and failed miserably. What the hell makes the U.S. think that THEY could do better? Short of nuking the whole damn place.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:15 pm#
KRAZNY - Bush himself referred to our role in Iraq as an ‘occupation’.
Comment by Buford — June 22, 2006 @ 1:12 pm
then the dems should be hammering Bush, and the republicans on why it is an occupation. Why they would equate US troops with Nazi’s and Imperialists. Occupation in the american psyche is a very powerful word. It recalls images of Nazi Germany, and Imperial Japan. The dems should have beaten Bush about the head and neck for calling it an occupation.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:15 pmKrazny - I have to disagree. Why more lies? It is an OCCUPATION, plain and simple. The TRUTH.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:17 pmbushllit quote:
“#20 RogerRoger…
i debted with you when you said Iraq was related to 9-11
You called me unpatriotic when I said Bush hijacked the county
You said I hated american when I stuck up for visas & greencards after 9-11
You called me a murderer when I told you a women has a right to choose”
That was just uncalled for and a lie. I have never called you unpatriotic, I never said you hated america, and I never called you a murderer. You made that up out of thin air. I don’t even know you outside of this discussion right here. Why are you saying these things about me? Please post a link to me specifically calling you any of that.
To #50,
We are looking at it differently I guess. I wouldn’t want us to “look for a way out”. I want both parties to “look for a way to win”. And by “win” I mean an Iraq that can support itself, have a democracy, and can have its own security. Neither party has really said much to that regard which is very unfortunete. Republicans simply say we need to stay and support the Iraqi government which sounds fine but isnt really a plan. The Democrats simply want to craft a plan to leave which is also not addressing the goals I laid out. Again, I feel like the normal american voter is left in the cold on this issue.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:19 pmI agree it is an occupation. I think that if the dems started using the phrase aggressively it would backfire. Americans want to be the “good guy”. Using the term occupation true or not means were not the good guys. That would turn many people off.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:20 pm#9 - By that same comparison, that means that most of the Republican members of congress have raisaed the orange flag of “Kill more iraqi citizens!” because they support having soldiers in Iraq.
They also raise the brown flag of “No end to war!” because they don’t want to war to end by even considering any plan to move any soldier out of Iraq except in a body bag.
They also raise the red flag of “No fiscal responsibility” because they don’t care if we have deficits for ever and ever.
Roger roger, your claims are baseless and cowardly. (See! I just implied that you raised your own “white flag of surrender”! See how easy it is to make a false political point?)
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:22 pmthe problem with rephrasing the war in Iraq, as an occupation, is in the minds of the average american, we are not empire builders and occupiers.
Comment by Krazny — June 22, 2006 @ 1:10 pm
exactly why it SHOULD be called an OCCUPATION…
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:22 pmmaybe more “average american”s will wake up and respond correctly!
no one wants to be confused with being Nazi occupiers…
60. Their objective, that kept changing from WMD, to ousting Saddam, to bringing the U.S. brand of democracy…on and on. Why sugar coat the TRUTH? That is doing a great diservice to our children in Iraq, (and Afghanistan). We NEED to be debating whether or not we will go along with the NEOCON PLAN. Which, by the way, means our presence is there FOREVER. Why do you suppose they refuse to do ANYTHING about our troops over there. To them, they are simple fodder. I think Kissinger said it best, referring to Vietnam…our boys and girls are expendable.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:23 pmRoger - the repugnuts got us into this mess and should figure out a way out of it. They cannot. The only strategy your party can come up with is stay the course. That is not a strategy. We cannot win this, we will never win this mess even if we stayed there for the rest of this century. At least the democrats have a strategy and it is not “{cutting and running” like you repugnuts are so fond of saying.
Our service people are dying for oil, plain and simple. We need to leave before another mother loses her child!!
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:26 pmOver 90% of Shite and Sunni are calling for a U.S. troops withdrawal timetable.As Kerry said,”Are they cutting and running on themselves?”
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:30 pmAs long as you let overt fascists limit the parameters of discourse with complete nonsense, you will remain in the same sinking boat. The war in Iraq was and is a war of aggression against a country that had nothing to do with any “terrorist” attacks. It is also an obvious oil grab. Talking about “cut and run” or “waving the white flag” is just distracting nonsense. The real purpose of the American occupation is to stay there forever. Or at least until the oil runs out. I mean, who builds a 104 acre “embassy” complex with fifteen foot thick concrete and steel walls. No one who’s planning to leave anytime soon. Bush is a war criminal by the same standards set up by U.S. prosecutors at Nuremburg and is liable to be tried for numerous capital crimes. No retroactive amnesty on that one.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:32 pmmighty aphrodite - THE SLIME MACHINE.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:39 pm#77 - And you expected ethical behavior from Mighty Aphro and her ilk because????
Sorry, it aint gonna happen. They live by calumny and mendacity.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:45 pmAppalling is Bartletts use of the two brutally murdered soldiers as a rallying point for continuing a dirty war.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:45 pmNo less horrific are any of the other 2,500 plus soldiers killed, or the 10 thousands more Iraqis brutalized, murdered and tortured in the current civil conflict which the war baby bullies of the Current Regime are promulgating…………….
RogerRoger
you pose the same arguments i have heard for the past 6 years…and even more so in the last 4.5…riddled with ignorance and shortsighted perspectives and I am sick of…so RogerRoger (if that is your real name) though I may never have spoke to you, the ilk you represent and the direction you are responsible for pointing this country in calls for blind justice….your arguments carry a lot of baggage & you all look alike to me!!!
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:46 pmBush referred to our role in Iraq as an ‘occupier’ in April of 2004:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/ releases/2004/04/20040413-20.html
Zell Miller got plenty of press when he blasted Kerry and all Democrats for referring to our troops as ‘occupiers’ instead of ‘liberators’ in the RNC convetion, Sept of 2004, just 5 months later.
Dems just can’t seem to get their message out there.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:47 pmHell I hope they keep calling everyone who disagrees with them a coward and a traitor.
Because right now according to every poll out there, more than half the country disagrees with the Bush administration and according to a new CNN poll, more than half the country wants a FIRM pull out date from Iraq.
So they are calling more than half the country cowards and traitors.
That strategy should bode well for them come November, as I am sure it will endear that larger half of the country to them.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:48 pmEven among wingnut trolls, Mighty Aphrodite is a nitwit’s nitwit. Until you can stop talking Mehlman bullshit and actually participate in a reasoned, factually based dialogue, get lost.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:48 pmMaybe MA is Mehlmam in drag??
Just saying…Maybe…both share distorted views and ignorance that surpasses their intelligence
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:51 pm#76-rr, If BushCo won’t even admit that it IS a mess, how do you think they will start to clean up after themselves? If they admit it is a mess, for them it would be saying that the invasion was a mistake, THEIR mistake. And they refuse to do that. And you know that.
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:57 pmOff Topic - Just for fun: Take this quizz Who said it: Adolf Hitler or Ann Coulter?
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:57 pmRR
Like I said before, we got into this mess so we should clean it up. When you were a child and made a mess, did you mom tell you to just leave it and go do something else? I bet not, she probably told you to clean it up. Seems to work the same here.
your metaphor:
This is not some crayons on the wall…this is playing with the chemestry set and burning down half the house…remember shock and awe…then spending 3 years scrubbing away to clean up the burn marks….half the house is still missing, but a contractor has been hired by the owners, so its time for us to stop trying to mop up spots, so they can actually rebuild
troll, go to red state, i hate the rise in my anxiety, and the time it takes to deal with you….oh, whats the matter you can’t post their, so you have to post their crap here…and, on a related note i am trying, but i still cannot see you being aginst invading iraq though
June 22nd, 2006 at 1:59 pmOh,how I wish that those members of Congress who supported and continue to support this “war” would be required to go to Iraq and fight for 30 days or so.It does not seem to me to be too much to ask for those who would send others to die or kill to be asked to face the same horrors to some degree.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:03 pmGive the 60 year old Congressperson plenty of water,armor,and a gun.They could manage.
Lets see I am not sure how asking for a change in direction on a policy that is clearly not working is ‘raising the white flag”. I suppose the right has to have some soundbite.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:03 pmBartlett is the faithful stooge.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:04 pmHe’s the one who purged Bush’s Texas draft files of all incriminating evidence of favoritism;
he’s the one who silenced the military in Texas and Alabama about Bush’s drug use, womanizing, weekend drunks and absences;
he’s the one that several corporations have told that if he’ll stay true to Bush through 2008 the job rewards will follow;
but on the barely visible bright side he’s the one who has argued against the Oval Office visits of Rove’s mistress and he’s the one who lost.
But don’t talk em out of it Krazny.
The last thing we want to do now is help these mooks take their foots out of their big fat mouths.
Now that the majority of American AGREE with John Kerry and Jack Murtha, that a firm pull out date is essential to saving American lives and subduing the violence in Iraq, the BEST thing we could hope for is these lamebrains will call those who think that way cowards and traitors.
Hell with strategies like that from the desk of Turdblossom, we don’t even NEED a strategy.
With these nimrods calling more than half the country cowards and traitors, months before a major election, hell, we don’t have to try to make them look stupid.
With strategies like that, they clearly don’t need our help.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:09 pmbLIAR - Before I run - I e-x-p-l-a-i-n-e-d the answer. John Forbes Kerry is willing to pull out whether or not the mission is complete or the Iraqi’s have a full complement of military and police personnel to provide security. No more bytes for you…..
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:09 pmGeorge W. Bush is willing to commit troops and money until the last dollar is spent and the last young man dies. Only not his money or children. That is courage and bravery Republican style.
When is Ann Coulter going to strap on a kevlar codpiece and go touring the outside the Green Zone?
-GSD
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:12 pmClubber - Funny about YOUR poll ##’s - the recent House and Senate votes DON’T back you up (if the constiuents were as HELLBENT on retreat as John F. Kerry was they’d swamp the boat in an effort to pander to the fringe freaks at the progressive end of the spectrum.) You progs have ALOT of work getting rid of the “moderates” in your party.
Til later…..
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:17 pmIn fact, we could not have prayed for a better position from the right.
Come on MA. Keep calling more than half the country traitors and cowards.
Pleeeeeeezee…..
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:18 pmAnd that is why you are a nobody posting on a stupid blog. There are no people in Washington that will spew these kinds of lies. Just little wingers on blogs.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:21 pmClubber - Funny about YOUR poll ##’s - the recent House and Senate votes DON’T back you up
Til later…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 22, 2006 @ 2:17 pm
Dite,
Funny about YOUR House and the Senate votes. They just don’t reflect the will of the American people, which is demonstrated by their less than 30 percent approval rating.
Tamater…..
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:22 pmI’m sorry. Bartlett is such a creep. You know he has a porno stash. Alittle of everything.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:27 pmHe reminds me of a B-movie sweaty sexual predator.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:28 pm
Like I said MA, keep calling more than half the American people cowards.
We’ll see how well that bodes for you come this November.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:30 pmSo as long as the war happy Bush Republicans just say “they” or “some of” or “Democrats” or “liberals” or “them”, without offering any specific names, just like the right wing biased media, that is as good as factual.
Because we all know that facts are unimportant to the Bush White House, the Bush Republicans, and the right wing biased media, as long as everyone toes the line and supports the endless war.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:30 pmIt was liberals… you know, liberals… THEM… no not anyone specific, just generic hypothetical liberals. Don’t you hate them? Ooooo those hypothetical liberals make me so mad!
They also said you guys are dorks.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:41 pmNoone here cares about Kerry, mighty.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:42 pmbLIAR - Before I run - I e-x-p-l-a-i-n-e-d the answer. John Forbes Kerry is willing to pull out whether or not the mission is complete or the Iraqi’s have a full complement of military and police personnel to provide security. No more bytes for you…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite
But we already have trained a full compliment of police and military, they now outnumber our own troops according to Bush. And 17 of the 19 provinces are peaceful and free (Ann Coulter said so!). So really, with the freely elected democratic government fullin place, our mission is accomplished and the troops can go home now with the satisfaction of a job well done knowing our freedom is safe for another day.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:44 pmRoger Roger,
I applaud your attempt at rational discourse on this thread but, you are not seeing the big picture where Iraq is concerned. The sad, ugly truth is that there never was a way to “win” in Iraq militarily. The only way to successfully elicit regime change there (which, by the way, was completely unnecessary as they posed no threat to us or their neighbors and we had bigger fish to fry in Afghanistan/Pakistan) would have been through a comprehensive diplomatic effort involving all of the region (even Iran and Syria) and most of Europe. Unfortunately, our current regime here views any sort of diplomacy as a sign of weakness. I would beg to differ; diplomacy is a sign of strength. As the old saying goes, “Anyone can pull a trigger.” It takes a lot more temerity and fortitude to talk something out without having to resort to violence. Getting back to the point at hand, EVERY time the Bush misAdministration has had a decision to make regarding Iraq, they have made the WRONG decision. Why should we stay the course when that course is leading us in the wrong direction. I understand that you simply don’t want to accept that we could “lose” an engagement such as Iraq but, I assure you that we already have. The sad reality is that our continued occupation of Iraq is exacerbating the situation and making things FAR FAR worse. Iraq is more than likely going to have sectarian violence (read as Civil War) whether or not our brave men and women are there to get caught in the middle of it. That has been preordained since Britain redrew the map into what we now know as Iraq in the 1800s. It’s simply a question of whether or not we want to be caught in the middle of it for oil, logistics, and greed. I, for one (having lost MANY friends there), don’t think that it’s worth the price. NOONE (not even Sen. Kerry) is advocating pulling up stakes right now and getting out this instance to leave the Iraqis to fend for themselves. It’s simply time to change the course of what has been a disastrous engagement that is going to cost this nation financially and, sadly, probably in blood for many years to come (rest assured the insurgents aren’t going to forget things like abu ghraib and Haditha any time soon).
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:48 pmNot just according to Bush Kermit.
According to the US commanders on the ground, last year we had 185,000 trained Iraqi troops.
Course since then many of them have been busy planting IED’s, but hey, least they have new uniforms and Weapons.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:49 pmWayne A - Thanks for putting it so simply in #15.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:51 pmWhy is every manupulative shitball focused suddenly on only two soldiers who have lost “their lives in such a horrifc way”. Sounds to me like Bartlett is saying that the other 2508 died smiling in their sleep. And what about the more than 18,000 wounded who are horrifically mangled for the rest of their lives. But for Bartlett, like Tony Snow said, “that’s only a number”.
June 22nd, 2006 at 2:54 pm#104 - “Noone here cares about Kerry, mighty.” Comment by Calm & Impotent
****I know THAT - but Kerry WANTS you to CARE about him. I let him know most of the “prog compassion” is a sound byte for the benefit of underworked union members and entitlement recipients…..
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:02 pmClobber- - Not surprisingly your info is “fluffy” with lots of filler - you should use your mighty powers of deduction to dig a little deeper. However, you’re semi right (pun intended) - Congress DOES have a low approval rating in most reputable polls. However:
a.) You failed to note that most people are discussing OTHER members of Congress - not their own Rep. or Senator. These reps KNOW to whom they are pandering with their votes. (ie. Kerry and Kennedy pander to the Massachusetts Moonbats, while only Dianne Feinstein panders to the California Repubs she courts every 6 years. The usual suspects, Weiden, Boxer, Leahy, Harkin, Feingold, etc. are playing your heart strings - offkey to be sure but they know
b.) The disagreement most conservatives have with Bush and most Repub Reps. is the perceived lack of committment to secure the borders. But do not think they will run hand in hand with Dems to switch to the “left, dark side”.
I have a feeling Prog failure to reclaim the House and Senate will throw some progs into a further unhinged state, perhaps requiring medication. A big box of Kleenex will be a good start.
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:27 pmHere is my plan, lets get all the chickenhawks together, give a few hours to get used to using an assault rifle, and send them to Iraq. Then we can withdraw US troops, and they can stay the course, while the rest of us repair the damage.
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:28 pm#112 - “Not nearly as much as you desperately need us to CARE about you.” - bLIAR
*****You wish….sorry, I’ve seen progs devour their own and it’s a vicious sight.
“First you guys smear and lie about liberals who want to cut and run.
Then you attack hard working americans and the poor.” - BLIAR
****Not big on retention, huh??? I APOLOGIZED for using the cutting term, “cut and run” - The OFFICIAL prog position is “Retreat in Defeat”.
My position on unions (I worked for the corrupt Amalgameted Clothing and Textile Workers Union for a mercifully brief period of time.): They were NEEDED in the ’30’s and before - BUT thay have always been Commie and/ or hard-left leaning. NOW they protect the mundane and mediocre and discourage the hard-working - who wants to work harder when they all get paid the same. Union thugs (employees) are generally people who can’t get or keep a job on their own merit in the real world. And the great “BASE of the Dem/Prog movement, the the working poor. the underemployed and the un-EMPLOYABLE. And the funny thing is - PROGS are heavily invested in the poor STAYING poor - it’s called CONTROL on the “Poverty Plantation” - Prog “massuhs” link arms in solidarity with the under class and promptly forget them for 2, 4, or 6 years.
So, you see, I’m noting their ignorance for falling for your lines, but the shame is on you for flinging the line at these poor in the first place.
#113 - “That should give the Iraqis enough time to get their crap together, or fall on their faces trying.” - bwhatever…
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:50 pm*****And your qualifications for making such a pronouncement are…….???? I didn’t think you knew what you were babbling about….
#113 - “In typical republican fashion, you have no ideas, but you slander those that do.” _bLIAR
*****Your deinition of an “idea” is “RETREAT in DEFEAT”?? OK - it IS an “idea” - a despicable idea - but an idea nonetheless… Pitiful……
’til later…..
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:57 pmI just love the Republican tactic of “lie and deny” when it comes to any real information over what we’re doing in Iraq.
WMD’s? “Oh, no! We went to ‘liberate’ them!”
Bring it on? “Oh no! We didn’t really mean it!”
Exit strategy? “Oh, no! We don’t want to embolden the insurgents, er um, ‘terrorists’ by setting a timetable that we can’t live up to, er, um, we can’t cut & run!”
Nation building? “Oh, no! We’re ‘liberating’ the Iraqi people from their lives and oil, er, um, the horrible living conditions we caused, er um, the insurgency, er um, We’re going to win!”
What do you mean by “win”? “Er, um, uh, well, um. . . . Hey, we killed Zarqarwi! Why do you hate America so much!”
Lie, Deny, Rinse, Repeat. Neo-cons know no other way of doing business.
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:59 pmCongress DOES have a low approval rating in most reputable polls. However:
Comment by the ever so flighty aphrodite — June 22, 2006 @ 3:27 pm
A. Its not “low”, its DISMAL.
B. not in “most” reputable polls. In ALL reputable polls.
C. There is NO however there. Congress and the will of the American people are Polls apart.
Thats a PERIOD at the end of the sentence.
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:59 pmis it just me or is MA getting more and more incoherant? If anyone needs meds its her. Preferably massive quantities. I guess this is what happens when she has to take her sexual frustration, and unhappy marriage out on someone besides her husband.
June 22nd, 2006 at 3:59 pm#120 - I think she may have gotten into Rush Limbaugh’s personal stash.
Mighty Aphro, you may want to consult a physician before you start taking prescription drugs, sweetie. You know we all just worry when you stop making sense, which is. . . um, well, just about all the time!
Seriously, sweetie, cut down on the drugs. And, yes, the kool-aide you’ve been swigging is classified as a drug.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:03 pmI have a feeling Prog failure to reclaim the House and Senate will throw some progs into a further unhinged state, perhaps requiring medication. A big box of Kleenex will be a good start.
Comment by the notso-mighty aphrodite — June 22, 2006 @ 3:27 pm
I’ll be happy to bring a big box of kleenex to the polls with me, and hand one out to every republican I see.
Like I said slappy. Keep calling more than half the country cowards and traitors, and we’ll see you kids come November.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:05 pmNo, Clobber- the PERIOD will be at the end of the “life support” lecture for the Prog movement in November. But PLEASE indulge yourself in delusional dreams….Remember if you click your ruby slippers and whisper “there’s no place like home, there’s no place like home….”.
But knowing progs as I do, I NEVER underestimate the prog movement - they’re like vampires or a Phoenix…..
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:07 pm#113 - “That should give the Iraqis enough time to get their crap together, or fall on their faces trying.†- bwhatever…
*****And your qualifications for making such a pronouncement are…….????
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 22, 2006 @ 3:50 pm
Here let me finish your sentence for you MA.
“And your qualifications for making such a pronouncement are…likely better than the guy currently in charge who never saw a shot fired in anger in his life (unless of course you count hunting trips with Cheney).
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:07 pmRoger_Roger
When do you know you have won? Unless you are aiming to conquor the place, you know you have won when you can leave. The Republicans don’t have a strategy for reaching that point. You see wanting an exit strategy as being wanting simply to cut and run, I see it as wanting to win, and have that victory mean something.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:07 pmYou keep telling yourself that.
And keep on calling the American people cowards.
Please.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:09 pmWhy did your boy Reid bring a bill to the floor saying that the democrats did not favor setting a date to take troops out of Iraq again? I thought you guys were saying Democrats were for setting a date? Or are Kerry and Reid on a break up right now. They probably just need to hug it out, right?
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:16 pmAnd to my liberal and progressive friends in here, let me point out that calling us cowards, and cutting and running, to me at least, is not only beneficial, but funny.
I like it.
Because the fact is, a fact that I am surprised that no one yet has picked up on, so let me once again be the first, the fact is that we CAN’T cut and run. We’re not the ones fighting the war.
A bunch of our young men and women are, but us, here at home?
Wanna say I am a coward, and want to cut and run? Ok. Cool. Problem is, its hard for me to run from the war in Iraq when I live in Washington DC.
Are we learning yet?
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:18 pm#125 Oh I agree that the republicans do not have a strategy, at least not one they have ever make public. On that same note, simply saying we need to leave is also not a strategy.
One side simply says: We stay the course
That is stupid to say unless you can provide a plan
Other says: We need to leave Iraq and come home
That is also stupid to say without a plan or a goal. Then again all but 6 Senators voted AGAINST Kerry’s bill calling to set a Date to leave Iraq. I thought the Democrats were on your side. hrmm
Both sides are losers!!!
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:20 pm#129
I aint sure why all the Democrats voted against Kerry’s proposal to set a date to leave. I thought they wanted a date too, but now I am just confused.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:22 pm#57 - Excellent points. These are the kind of arguments that reactionaries will never understand.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:22 pmThis is what we call a “Red Herring”.
Its like accusing a Stone Mason a bad Electrician.
It means nothing.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:22 pmBoth sides are losers!!!
Comment by Roger_Roger
so ask y ourself, who got us into this lose-lose situation?
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:24 pmThe Dems voted against it because they’re incumbent fat lazy bums.
Help them find the door this November, along with their republican counterparts.
Bums. Except Ted Kennedy and Russ Feingold and Jack Murtha.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:25 pmRoger:
Simply leaving is a plan, it just doesn’t seem like it will help the Iraqi people.
Why, then, have they specifically asked us for a timetable of withdrawl on several occasions? Do they not know what is better for their own country and people?
Or, perhaps it is because they know that a large uncontrollable portion of the people who have taken up arms, have ONLY done so because they want America out.
Try to think about it in terms of America being occupied by a foreign power… After they toppled our government, the fighting would begin within that power vaccuum, but the main goal of the people fighting would be to get the Occupiers out, but there may still be violence between arguing factions, like Blue States vs. Red, for example.
Much of the fighting between domestic “factions” would be caused by a view of the other as being in bed with the Occupiers; therefore, only after getting rid of the foreign power could decisions for who should take over begin to make any sense. Until then it would be practically meaningless as we have seen in Iraq.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:32 pmAnd everyone who voted for the war, who when asked says they’d still have done the same thing given the same circumstances, vote them out too.
BUMS all of em!
Show them the door, put them in a cab and tip the driver.
Asta la vista baby.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:34 pmworfeus - these senators voted FOR the Kerry-Feingol proposal to redeploy American combat troops out of Iraq by July 1, 2007:
Sen. Daniel Akaka (D-HI)
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:34 pmSen. Barbara Boxer (D-CA), co-sponsor
Sen. Richard Durbin (D-IL)
Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA)
Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI)
Sen. James Jeffords (I-VT)
Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA)
Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT), co-sponsor
Sen. Robert Menendez (D-NJ)
Sen. Ron Wyden (D-OR)
What a flippin’ liberal website. You are all misguided and need to get your head out of you butt.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:35 pmTime to start the lecture circuit and write that expose you’re always talkin about.
Bum.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:36 pmmighty, you really have cheapened. Like box wine in the refrigerator too long. Has it become that difficult for you?
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:36 pmIf you’re not careful you’ll start to notice your own shortcomings and you’ll hate yourself, too.
Heroes and Patriots every single one of them.
Katy, I don’t see Feingold on that list. Guess he doesn’t want to be President as bad as we thought he did?
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:38 pmWait, I recant. I just heard on CNN that he voted YEA.
Whew. I was starting to worry there for a sec.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:39 pmClobber Flavius - Thank you (!!) for thoughtfully meddling in bLIAR’s answer re: their illusion of qualification for anything Iraqi policy related. It was VERY sweet of you…(There, that should satisfy the prog need for regular “back patting”.)
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:41 pmWhat a flippin’ liberal website. You are all misguided and need to get your head out of you butt.
Comment by Ken Adams — June 22, 2006 @ 4:35 pm
Ahh. Another right wing literary genius.
How poignant.
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:43 pmso matt followed up by telling dan that he didn’t answer repeated the quesion to him until he did, right? i mean that’s what a real journalist would do, wouldn’t he? i mean if he were a real journalist and not some talking head fighting off baldness and trying to look real cool for the folks back home. right?
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:45 pmKen Adams,
Would you care to actually add something the the discussion?
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:45 pmKen Adams,
Would you care to actually add something to the discussion?
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:47 pmwhat do you ’spose the trolls get paid for each nonsensical post they make?
June 22nd, 2006 at 4:53 pmClobber/Flavius - You needn’t have worried about the Russ’s “Retreat in Defeat ” vote. But think about this - wouldn’t Feingold and Kerry make a GREAT ticket in ‘08? They could pre-announce their cabinet:
Secretary of Defense- Mutiny Murtha
Secretary of State and Peace - Dennis Kucinich
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development - Ray Nagin
Secretary of Treasury - Jay Rockefeller
Secretary of Energy - Robert F. Kennedy, Jr.
Co - Secretaries of Education - Noam Chomsky & Howard Zinn
Secretary of Transportaion - Ted Kennedy
Secretary of Agriculture - Jim Hightower
Co-Press Secretaries - Molly Ivins & Randi Rhodes
You’re welcome…..
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:00 pmSo basically, you guys are what the right call the “crazy fringe” of the Democrat party. You guys have sweeping views that we should pull out of Iraq, yet only 11 of your Senators even supported the bill Kerry proposed to set a date. Sadly, it sounds like your views are also not of interest to your party.
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:03 pmIn August 2004, Bush said “I don’t think you can win (a war on terror)”.
http://www.cbsnews.com/ stories/ 2004/ 08/ 31/ politics/ main639709.shtml
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:08 pmNot An Answer…
I’m no fan of White House flak, Dan Bartlett. Except that he always appears the best of the bunch at regurgitating the talking points of the day and making them seem to make sense. Usually. But not today….
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:17 pmLittle Lord Fauntleroy Bartlett simply evaded the answer, and replied with something he preferred to say - that some think the president is a liar. Lauer should have followed up with, “you haven’t answered my question. Which democrats have called for surrender?”
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:18 pmBTW, in the war on terror, just who do they want to surrender? Who will be the leader who signs the document? How will they know when the last terrorist is dead? How will we know we are victorious? When everyone is dead?
Actually, I think all republicans should denounce that democrats want “cut and run”. Obviously only 11 want “cut and run” since the rest voted AGAINST Kerry. HAHA
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:36 pmJoe:
Is it just me, or do all those Whitehouse guys comb their hair just like junior?
No, its not just you and its kind of scary like how when you see pictures of Sadaam Hussein surrounded by all of his syncophants, they are mostly bearing the same haircut and mustache as he did.
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:38 pm#153 Marie,
You’ve raised some excellent questions there, Marie. Who will speak for the “enemy” and tell us that they will no longer fight us? And even if they do end up killing everyone in Iraq, are they next going to go to Indonesia and kill everyone there just to make sure al Qaeda is dead? All they’ve given us is endless war.
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:44 pmWhat Lauer should have said: So, Mr. Bartlett, a moment ago you said that Democrats were quote “calling for the white flag of surrender†unquote, and when asked to identify said Democrats you effectively admited that there were none, and therefore you lied. Now you are complaining that Democrats are calling this admistration liars. Do you see the bitter irony in that, sir?
June 22nd, 2006 at 5:53 pmbLiAR - As you apparently have no extraordinary credentials or insight, what is your basis of thought in deducing that Iraqi’s should be able to hold their own in 12 mos. If that statement is simply your opinion, that’s fine - but your sweeping pronouncements seem to wish to convey a defree of certainty. P.S. Your continous whining about ad hominem attacks NEVER manages to take in the personal aspersions cast by your comrades….such charming hypocrites…. HA!
Joe - Bartlett may have been unaware of the Kerry “Retreat in Defeat” amendment going up for a vote this morning. John Kerry and his “Dirty Dozen” are the “get the h*// out of Dodge” crowd.
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:11 pmClobber/Flavius - You needn’t have worried about the Russ’s “Retreat in Defeat †vote. But think about this - wouldn’t Feingold and Kerry make a GREAT ticket in ‘08?
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 22, 2006 @ 5:00 pm
No. I am not a big fan of Kerry. Out of ever democrat running in 04, other than Lieberman, Kerry was at the bottom of the list. I was a Wesely Clark supporter.
Now a Gore\Feingold ticket, that would be more to my liking, and I trust yours.
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:14 pmBTW, I am not sure what sarcastic intent your earlier accolades entailed, you lost me on that one, but I suppose I should thank you for not calling me an idiot, and rightly so for asking about Russ Feingolds vote on a bill bearing his name.
In truth I didn’t pay much attention to this ammendment when Kerry launched it, because in Truth I see it as what it is. Another stunt by Kerry to set himself up for President in 08. If I had seen Feingolds name on it, I would have paid more attention.
Either way though, I don’t forgive any Democrats who did not vote for it. Regardless of his motives the bill is the right thing to do.
We give the Iraqi people a time when they know that we will no longer be occupying their land, raiding their homes, imprisoning their young men, and destroying their sacred places, and that their fate is in their own hands, I believe they will take heart, and stand up.
No one is going to stand up as long as their big brother will do it for them.
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:19 pmI think the question the we need to ask about Miss Aphrodite to see if she is real wold be
How many woman lawyers in San Diego have been defense laywers in capitol murder trials in the last month? She mentioned a month or two ago, how a client had been sentenced to life in Pelican Bay instead of the death penalty. She was very proud of her accomplishment. Now I am unsure if Pelican bay is state, county, or federal, but I bet with bit of research it could be found out.
Just a thought anyway.
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:37 pmNot to be disagreeable Kraz, but who cares who she is?
She has a right to autonomy the same as you and me.
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:39 pmUnion thugs (employees) are generally people who can’t get or keep a job on their own merit in the real world. by mighty aphroditeâ€
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:42 pm=========================================
That’s got to be one of the more ignorant posts I’ve ever come across.
I wish the screen names would come first,as they are on some sites.It would make it easier to pass over posters such as this person.
Mighty moron…..”utter lack of character”. Been looking in the mirror again? Since you love unions(”overpaid, under-worked, over-entitled”), May I wish your work-place become unionized.
June 22nd, 2006 at 6:42 pmDear Clubber - Don’t be sooo surprised that I don’t call you an idiot - I don’t think you are stupid - we simply have a difference of opinion and/or a different vantage point. I have been told sarcasm is a “cheap form of humour” but it sure beats the vulgar name calling that often goes on here.
#164- “How many woman lawyers in San Diego have been defense laywers in capitol murder trials in the last month? She mentioned a month or two ago, how a client had been sentenced to life in Pelican Bay instead of the death penalty. She was very proud of her accomplishment. Now I am unsure if Pelican bay is state, county, or federal, but I bet with bit of research it could be found out.” - Kurious Krazny
*****Allow me to provide some information for you. I don’t remember mentioning WHICH county the murder trial took place in. I wouldn’t. I guard my privacy and that of my family. Pelican Bay is a California state maximum security prison. (Sometimes such places are referred to as a “Super Max” prison.) Generally the most dangerous inmates are incarcerated their - although many are tranferred their from other state prisons if they have had “adjustment and/or behaviour problems”.
#166 - Dear Steve 53, What union do YOU work for????
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:04 pm#167 - Dear Ho - Thanks for your concern - I’m not a union kind of gal. I like getting paid for MY work - I don’t want my pay check based on your work….
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:09 pmI dislike Lauer, but he’s trying harder than people give him credit for for a morning talk show. It’s true he’s ineffective as a reporter, but I see him actually giving more of an effort now that Couric is gone. He was out of his league against Coulter, not soft on her; there’s a difference. Here, he’s really stung Bartlett but people won’t give him credit. I’d rather an ineffective reporter try to take Bartlett to task than no one at all.
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:15 pmWhy is the republican manipulation of the press in the press? The end of critical thought is the end.
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:24 pmI have been told sarcasm is a “cheap form of humour
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 22, 2006 @ 7:04 pm
And we’re passing the savings on to you.
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:46 pm” This is an epic struggle in which we have to be committed to winning ”
June 22nd, 2006 at 7:52 pmThat would be the next slection right…..for the sake of the planet.
I am so sick and tire