Fox News: “Are ‘Scoops’ More Important To Media Than Stopping Terror?”
Fox News: “Are ‘Scoops’ More Important To Media Than Stopping Terror?”
This morning, the New York Times reported that the Bush administration has concealed a “secret program of combing through a vast international data base containing banking transactions involving thousands of Americans.”
Fox News host Neil Cavuto and his guest, former CIA operative Wayne Simmons, called the Times’s aggressive reporting an attempt to drive-down President Bush’s poll numbers. Watch it:
Full transcript below:
CAVUTO: Do you think the fact the President’s low in the polls — he’s picked up a little bit — that that affects this, too? That the media might be saying look, you’re doing so poorly, we’re going to run anything and everything.
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SIMMONS: Listen, it’s absolutely no coincidence, Neil. You’re right on money. It’s no coincidence that the President’s rise in the polls, because the Americans are recognizing that he is defeating terrorists, that this happened to show up today or yesterday in the media.
CAVUTO: Guys, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
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Bush is the one driving Bush’s poll numbers down.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:09 pmBush’s lies, Iraq and illegal acts are driving his poll numbers down.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:11 pmThe bush propoganda machine ( Faux News ) rolls on
Faux is scooping the Shit 24/7 on terrah
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:12 pmit makes sense, all of Judy Miller’s reporting on the WH behalf did cause the the President’s poll numbers to rise, so therefore…
…actually, I think the President’s lack of substance and compounding mistakes is what are driving his poll numbers down, to think it only took 5.5 years
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:15 pm“Golly, Karl, what should we do about these poll numbers? Seems nobody likes what we’re doing.” “Just leave it to me, boss. I’ll divert the attention of the world away from our failed policies by blaming the NY Times and other liberal media outlets. Get Hannity on the phone . . . ”
With “advisors” like Rove, Rumsfeld, and Cheney, what poll results do you expect? When you hire Moe, Larry and Curly ain’t far behind.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:15 pmSo, according to Fox, journalists have to decide between whether or not they want a story…or strap on a gun and phsyically fight terror?
Isn’t that what they are implying with that question? That journalists are making a conscious decision between doing their job and doing Bush’s job?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:20 pmStarndard Tactic, when in doubt attack the media.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:20 pmIt’s funny how ‘fox news’ is constantly blaming ‘the media’ or even more funny, ‘MSM’. So the most poular news is not ‘mainstream’?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:24 pm“Are ’scoops’ more important to media than stopping terror?”
No. It’s a stupid question, posed within a stupid frame, by a stupid TV host.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:26 pmDoesn’t Fox know what the job of a journalist is?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:27 pmThis is coming from the guys who ran as fast as they could with the “WE FOUND WMD” courtesy of Rick Insanetorun (R-The Moon). What a buch of jackoffs!!!
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:33 pmDoesn’t Fox know what the job of a journalist is?
Comment by Art — June 23, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
No, Art, they most certainly do not. Conservatives believe that the viewer/reader (for our side) should be given both sides of a story. If person A says that Person B assaulted him (and several witnesses and police reports agree), the journalist’s “job” is to get Person B’s side of the story and let you, the viewer/reader, decide who is telling the truth. To them, if you point out with facts why Person B’s story is so full of shit that only an idiot would believe it, they accuse you of bias.
They think that journalism should be about “balance”, instead of what it should be about: “objectivity”. And that’s the main reason we have such an ill-informed electorate today that doesn’t know how to vote for its own best interests.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:37 pmBut Cheney blatantly told CNN that they (he and his hand puppet George) do not care about the poll numbers. John King even asked him if he was upset that his numbers were lower than Bush’s. And Cheney re-emphasized that they do not care about poll numbers.
So why does FAUX?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:43 pmOf course “scoops” are more important to the NYT and LAT – their readership has been declining in recent years and with the internet, and 24 hour cable news, how relevant are the dinosaurs in the print media? When Tony Snow was asked to elaborate on this program this morning by the “charming” dame, Helen ThomA$$, she didn’t quite get the portion of the answer which noted that ONLY foreign transactions were subject to review and ONLY with similar ovrsight that the NSA has in place – you know the oversight that progs SWEAT or SWEAR does not exist.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:46 pmRiddle me this then mytee dytee, where is the oversight on Halliburton? Katrina? DeLay, Reed, Cunningham, Jefferson? hmmmmmmmm? Oversight riiiiiight, more like over looked.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:51 pmCavuto was only doing what he gets paid for! Being a sorry apologist for the Bush quagmire. Everything else on his over rated program is just filler. It is supposed to be a financial program, but ends up ass kissing for Bush and his ilk. My remote immediately goes into action the minute he comes on!
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:54 pmwhyTHINKaboutTHAT – I agree with you on oversight by certain bureacracies. (You know the bureaucracies – those “make work” programs for federal and state union employees.) But I applaud HeLLen ThomA$$’ thoughtful concern for terrorist’ monetary management .
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:58 pmWhat about that missing white girl?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:59 pmbLIAR – Of course to discuss declining newpaper readership bLIAR mentions Bill O’Reilly. That sure points to the irrelevant arguments put forth by certain posters. HA!! ( And the poor trolls are disingenuously accused of changing the subject…..hee-hee!!)
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:02 pmmyteee, are you really hanging your hat on bashing an 85 year old woman who legality of the program? Damn her to hell for questioning? And are you also bashing the federal workers instead of the framers of Homeland (in)Security? Really now, you do have momentary signs of concise thought but then you take the simpleton road. Now let’s see you Be all that you can be!!!!
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:03 pmReporting on this adminstartions illegal acts against our fourth amendmant rights are much more important than publishing lies about the Christians war on Muslims.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:11 pm“if you don’t like Bush’s antiterror protections the next time we are attacked by islamic terrorists just call the NY Times.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:15 pmI want to know why nobody at the NY times has been arrested for disclosing state secrets designed to thwart terrorists and keep us SAFE!. but it figures coming from the traitorous nytimes. You figure the hometown paper of the city with the worst terrorist attack ever might have the good sense to not disclose how wew are trying to fight terrorism but
no!
This penchant the NYT has for casting EVERYTHING the Bush administration does (and all past Repubs for the last 100 years) leads me to wonder: what percentage of Times employees are Repubs and Dems?? Who do you think Pinch Salzberger voted for in the last election? And as for HeLLen ThomA$$, she has been around since the Lincoln/Douglas debates criticizing anything and everything Republican. (A tiny aside: HeLLen, the wigs would look a tad more natural if you had them washed and combed.)
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:16 pmIt’s interesting that as the Corruption Scandal grows within the Federal Area, so does the amount or “insanity” regarding those who have been suspected of giving us ‘disinformation“! Could there be a link?
Also, what’s most interesting is another scandal involving the Banks and how they have been allowed to gather information on all of us through the Federal Government. Could this be the connection where Corproate America links with the Criminal Element within our Federal Government?
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:18 pmFighting terrorism and crusading are two different things.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:19 pmbLyingALOT – Yawnnnnnn……Zzzzzzzzzzz. (Translation: My eyes glaze over reading your continous stream of unoriginal “cut and paste” cliches…. Zzzzz)
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:19 pmFrom the Talmud: If you have a mouse it’s the hole’s fault.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:21 pmDear MoonbA$$ Patrol – Maybe the NYT is hoping to boost interest and readership by helping to facilitate more “hits”. Aren’t these the bunch that dismiss the importance of Zarqawi’s TIMELY death, spread the misinformation (the way most Left wing blogs do) that the prvacy of the American public is being eroded by fascist Repubs. These are the same whiners who shriek about the wait at the airport AND complain if every person of Middle Eastern descent were to be scrutinized a bit more carefully. These are the same sympathizers who NEVER mention the lack of attack since 9/11 or the plots which have been broken up. Nah….
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:29 pmBush has become a laughing stock – the butt of jokes. He can’t disguise his ignorance any more – the media can’t cover it all up – some times his ignorance is just out there for all to see.
Bush&Co is seen now as incompetent, greedy and corrupt.
The majority of Americans are seeing the truth now, and THAT is driving down his poll numbers. A little bump here and there is not going to matter significantly.
This last episode of FOX being invited to Gitmo after everyone else has been shut out, is further evidence that FOX is a propaganda arm of the government.
We are seeing the initial inklings of state-run news a la Pravda of the old USSR.
Now add the FBI infiltrating a neighborhood group, suspected of who-knows-what, and arresting them for thinking about terrorism.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:32 pmIt sounds like entrapment, but Bush&Co and AG along with a friendly SCOTUS will surely find all of this sufficient to send these wannabees to a black hole. FOX will milk this to the last drop.
Recall the movie “Minority Report” and the pre-cogs who would know what people are thinking, and the police would be alerted to act “pre-emptively.”
Thank you, Marie!!! I knew one of the enlightened progressives would take up for the Florida terrorist wannabes’. (Hint: Look up the definition of “conspiracy”.)
Don’t you be troubling yourself about the conservative bent of “Faux News”. The Daily Worker, and the old Pravda have a western office: the NYT.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:39 pmmighty aphrodite. If the “Florida Seven” are real terrorists according to you, then I don’t ever wanna see you type “We are fighting them over there, so we don’t have to fight them here. Because if these people are terrorists, then we are fighting them here and there, so there is no reason to leave our guys in Iraq. They should come home and protect our nation, like the oath they took states.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:45 pm“Scoops” are important to any news outlet, it helps them stay in existence. Did I miss something?
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:48 pmIf the Times was really interested in hurting Bush, they would have released the story about the NSA program(s) before the 2004 elections. So Fox news can shove it.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:50 pmOh, dear God, is that banner headline the real deal??? They’re actually discouraging journalists from getting “scoops”?!
Anyway, I explained why I’d left and deleted my blog. Now tonight I explain why I came back, in the form of a eulogy that I should’ve delivered today but didn’t.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:50 pmGood to see Mighty Recovered from yesterdays complete burn, about how she outed herself as feeling a woman’s role is shopping.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:51 pmoh my “enlightened progressives” no there is an oxymoron or maybe just a plain moron. The NY times readership is in such decline because they are so full of liberal bs nobody believes them anymore. Check their readership statistics. I hate to inform you but it’s the NY times that is the laughinstock and maybe they will be called to the mat for leaking classified info. In their zeal to denigrate and find something (anything) on Bush they are willing to show just how traitorous they really are.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:55 pmFaux nesw eh? how very cute and sooo enlightened too! Maybe that is why more people watch FOX tha read the NY times and watch other liberal nutjob anti_ American “News”
but hey the next time planes start flying into buildings or we are attacked in some other way just call the NY times or some other liberal media psuedo-news outlet and see how much they protect you. Quit trying to play the hip progressive bimbo and realize that we are at war with real religious extremists who would laugh at your concern over your little liberal problems ..right before they cut your head off!
I wish I had started collecting the incredibly blatant & ridiculous spin banners that Fox puts up long ago. Anyone know of a site that has a nice collection of these doozies? I’d like to show them to my grandkids (if I have any) someday to explain the brain damage of regular Fox viewers. Journalism profs should include them in their courses.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:01 pmHere, I came up with this idea in the other thread.
Lets get the FCC to put a disclaimer before every Fox fake news broadcast.
Something like the following.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:20 pm
When our government breaks international laws, when they ignore treaties that have been signed by our nation following wars in which hundreds of thousands of American soldiers died, and they do so in the name of America–we have a right to know–state secrets or not! Anyone who doesn’t wish to know such things should move to a country where the media only reports what the government allows them to.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:25 pmCourse, most of our nations trailer parks indigenous population can’t read anyway, so it would have to also be read by an announcer to make sure that the majority of the Pox news audience understands that they’re about to enter the “all spin” zone.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:33 pmMARIE
The Florida 7 story will come out in due time. Dont hold your breath while this indictment goes anywhere.
This was a CIA and FBI operation. They observed the group for a short time and found the weakest link, called a cutout.
They cut him from the group, give him scads of money and tell him what they want. In this case the CIA wants a home grown terrist group, so, the cutout delivers the best he can.
He is told that he will have to testify against all involved but that he will be given, oh say, a million dollars and a new identity and a new place to live for his trouble. A million dollars is nothing to this crooked government. Hell fire, they have more than that stuffed in duffle bags just awaiting the time to disperse it, which is when Bushco leaves office.
You will probably see more of this shit before the elections. Next will be a Mexican group since the feeling is running high against illegal aliens. It could be a mixture of Cental American illegals.
These people will be charged, the media will make a lot of noise about it, then it will fade away. Believe me, I know what I am talking about.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:41 pmWell, considering these bozo’s had no military training of any kind, no contacts whatsoever with Al Quaida, or any other terrorist organization, absolutely no money, and no weapons of any kind….I’ll have to agree with you Rebel With a Cause.
It smells a little fishy.
Kinda like Red Herring.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:46 pmI wonder if the public really understand that these guys had about as much of a chance of executing anything more than some local criminal acts as Faux news does of actually reporting a real news story without spinning it for Bush.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:52 pmIf the US military is hard up for recruits and Fox “journalists” want to help them fight the “war on terror” then I have an idea: let all the Fox News employees who want to fight against terrorism join the military and these journalist soldiers can get a chance to fight in the battlefield against the insurgents in Iraq. That way they can be held up as a paragon to the rest of the journalists who are just interested in undermining Bush’s stance by reporting facts.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:58 pmClubber,
Why are liberals so troubled with Fox News? I know you know the answer, I just want to hear it from you though. How does a network that got started just a little over 10 years ago become the number one cable news network with more viewers than the other three major cable news channels combined. If the MSM is so unbiased, then one would reason that they should be a distant third or fourth in the race, but they are not. You see, liberals have lost their monopoly on cable news so they can no longer spread their propaganda unchallenged. Oh, they still try to spread the dems message as much as they can, but now Fox stands in the way. Did I pretty much sum it up?
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:00 pmCoincidence? Like the terror alerts issued right around the time Kerry would have gotten a bump in the polls?
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:13 pmClubber,
Why are liberals so troubled with Fox News? I know you know the answer, I just want to hear it from you though
Comment by dandy — June 23, 2006 @ 8:00 pm
I can’t speak for anyone else here, but I am not troubled by them at all.
In fact, its some of the funniest damn stuff on televsion.
I wouldn’t change a word of it.
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:23 pmRandy–I think right about now FOX and all the GOP talking point spouters will want a Democrat in the White House in 2008. You have to admit it is getting to be nearly impossible to keep putting positive spin on all the shit Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Rove keep putting out there for consertatives to have to defend. With control of the White House, and both houses of congress–how long do you think people are going to keep believing what’s wrong with America is the Democrats’ fault? DeLay may have been the only Republican with any sense–he bailed before the elections–how would you like to have to defend the GOP? Death–debt–corruption. No thanks.
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:25 pmCavuto is a two bit whore, not a journalist. The idea of a so-called newsman badrapping someone for getting a scoop is ridiculous.
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:36 pm
June 23rd, 2006 at 8:45 pmDoesn’t Fox know what the job of a journalist is?
First time I ever saw FOX & journalist used in the same sentence.
if your really want to see funny watch the comedy show countdown with kieth olbermann. I don’t know where they found this guy . While not as funny as john stewart of the daily show he does try. His obvious jealousy of O’reilly has made for some funny crap. He cannot stand the fact that Mr O has something like six times the viewers that he does. Bill of course does not even aknowledge that herr olbermann even exists and that drives him nuts. This penadantic little metrosexual has such estute reporters like that slimy, creepy little fag from the Village Voice Michael Musto . MSNBC has a real winner here folks. Too bad nobody watches him, but then I understand that moonbats are a dime a dozen.
June 23rd, 2006 at 9:01 pm#34 – Spongey – We KNOW the USA has enemies within – from “useful idiots” to full fledged traitors….
June 23rd, 2006 at 9:08 pmFox news headline: Is mindless jingoism allowing real news to be ignored?
June 23rd, 2006 at 9:17 pmI’ll take this one.
I doubt any liberals here watch any of the news networks. Because most of them lean to the right. Foxs News has leaned so far to the right that they have fallen over. So, right wingers get as little or as much spin as they want. We blog and read lots of different sources to determine what the truth is.
June 23rd, 2006 at 9:18 pm#58 Spudge_Boy
June 23rd, 2006 at 9:53 pm“I doubt any liberals here watch any of the news networks. Because most of them lean to the right. Foxs News has leaned so far to the right that they have fallen over. So, right wingers get as little or as much spin as they want. We blog and read lots of different sources to determine what the truth is.”
You are spot on! Local news is a joke – weather, car crashes, drug busts and interviews in front of police stations, hospitals, hoping to elicit tears or other sensationalistic news.
Network news leans right – too close to BushCo – to beholden to corporate owners to provide honest journalism.
So, we read everything we can, from multiple sources and form our own opinions.
#34 – Spongey – We KNOW the USA has enemies within – from “useful idiots†to full fledged traitors….
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 23, 2006 @ 9:08 pm
Oh so true, so true.
In fact, ANYONE who endorses the imprisonment and torture of thousands of people and the removal of our rights to privacy and advocates spying on American people, and the invasion and occupying of a tiny defensless nation, killing more than 100,000 of their civilians, mostly women and children, is indeed and enemy to everything that is and ever was America.
Enemies to us all.
June 23rd, 2006 at 9:54 pm#45 RWAC
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:01 pmI agree that this whole thing smells of a set up. These guys may not be angels, but they are certainly not brainy either. All the info in the charges came from the infiltrator (from what I can tell). The timing is suspicious too.
Another law broken by Bush exposed today – was this a cover up story? Probably.
It also serves as an omen of what is to come as the election approaches. More “terrorism” maybe they will revive the Crayola chart. I do not trust this admin; I put nothing past them. They will do whatever possible to curther their cause. Witness protection program, sure. Pay off, sure. Lie, spin, incite fear, sure.
#37 jurassicpork
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:15 pmBeautiful, tender and compassionate.
I am sure Bobby would be pleased.
Jurassicpork
He sounds like an incredible person.
I am glad he had someone like you to tell the world how great he was.
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 pmIt’s also no surprise the Karl does the script for Fox either…..
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:27 pmThe whole premise is demonstrably false. This press is interested in NO SCOOPS.
Where have they been on the biggest stories of all time: stolen elections, 9/11 lies, wars of aggression, war crimes… You name it, the media hid it. They only want scoops that support the president and are willing to invent them when they must.
The media lies; the media is bush’s mouth and asshole.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:47 pmDid they have any new updates on that earth shaking revelation they broadcast from Santorum? That was quite the scoop,,,,,, the way Hannity was carrying on about it.
June 24th, 2006 at 2:08 am[...] Fox News: Are Scoops More Important To Media Than …Think Progress, DC - 11 hours ago… this, too? That the media might be saying look, you re doing so poorly, we re going to run anything and everything. SIMMONS: Listen … [...]
June 24th, 2006 at 4:23 amI have been contemplating why the Bush admin. and the GOP are using both sides of the argument when it comes to Iraq. Iraq is safe now! Iraq is too dangerous!
On one hand, they say that ‘We have won’, ‘the Iraqi’s are liberated’. yet they won’t commit to any troop withdrawals, bench marks or anything resembling a plan or set of achievement goals to bring our troops home. They celebrate Iraq’s new Government, 280,000+ Iraqi Forces trained-but still no plan to leave.
Then, they are also arguing that we can’t ever leave Iraq because Iraq is the ‘Central front of the War on Terror’ (which we all know isn’t the case and that Iraq didn’t have this terrorism problem until Bush chose this war).
I don’t think that the Administration intends whatsoever to turn Iraq over to it’s own people and government. They don’t want to leave because this Administration has a goal of perpetual war accompanied by an all powerful Executive Branch. By staying in Iraq, the focus in America-they hope will stay on matters involving the Military, The Defense Dept. and National Security. So, if they can keep wars going at all times, they would hope that they could scare voters into keeping their party in power. It also keeps them in their own personal heartland where all the Oil is.
They KNEW damn well that there were no Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq so of course when none of them turned up, they were NOT surprised. They knew that they could peg the CIA, whom they threatened and intimidated into creating the desired pre-war evidence, as the fall guy and frame the ‘bad Intel’ (which we know was bogus and cooked up) on Tenant. After Tenant left, Bush inserts his Political operatives,lead by Porter Goss. Too bad Goss and his pals like Foggo and others couldn’t keep their horniness and corruption under wraps. Goss of course was hot on the trail of prosecuting journalists who exposed the administration’s illegal activities. So, now who do we get…Michael Hayden-another political operative who is indifferent to the Rule of Law and hostile towards Congressional oversight.
Cheney and Rumsfeld came to this administration with the lofty goals they had from the Ford Administration. By keeping our country in a constant state of war, they think they can justify the need for an all powerful and unaccountable Executive Branch. Some may say, ‘well, why would they want to hand that kind of power over to a potential Democratic President’. I think that they are going to do everything in their power to scare Americans into keeping Republicans in power. Although their own incompetence has put their ‘we’ll protect you’ message in doubt.
This crap about Bush wanting to ’spread Democracy around the world’ and ‘liberate every man and woman on Earth’ is crap. Since when does the Republican Party care about poor, oppressed people around the world, especially ones of different ethnicities and nationalities? This is all a BS excuse to invade other countries at will and be the sole dominant power in the world.
So, while most Americans may see Iraq as a ‘mistake’ or a defeat, the people in the Bush Adminstration along with their compliant Repbublicans in Congress, see it as a Victory in disguise.
Slogans/Concepts that reaveal their intentions for PERPETUAL WAR are:
June 24th, 2006 at 6:02 am‘The Global War on Terror’, ‘The Struggle against Islamofascism’, The ‘Axis of Evil’, The Struggle Against Islamic Extremism’ and my personal favorite ‘The Global Struggle Against the Enemies of Freedom’.
I want to know why nobody at the NY times has been arrested for disclosing state secrets designed to thwart terrorists and keep us SAFE!.
Comment by moonbat patrol — June 23, 2006 @ 6:15 pm
Me too! When are they going to arrest Bush? Check these out here
George Bush, telling terrorists about how we use “roving wiretaps” to eavesdrop on their calls -Columbus, Ohio – June 9, 2005.
George Bush, in 2004, telling terrorists that we are engaging in notice-less “sneak and peak” searches of their apartments – Hershey, Pennsylvania, April 19, 2004.
George Bush, alerting terrorists to changes in our techniques for eavesdropping on their cell phone calls – Baltimore, Maryland, July 20, 2005.
George Bush, alerting terrorists to the fact that we are eavesdropping on their telephone calls – Baltimore, Maryland, July 20, 2005.
George Bush, in 2004, telling terrorists that we monitor them by tracing their “money trails” – Hershey, Pennsylvania, April 19, 2004.
George Bush, telling terrorists how the Government monitors their computer communications and obtains their e-mails – Columbus, Ohio, June 9, 2005.
George Bush, detailing the threat priorities of the Homeland Security Department – Columbus, Ohio, July 20, 2005.
George Bush, detailing security measures taken against threats to American seaports – Columbus, Ohio, July 20, 2005.
Next, when are you rightwingers going to call the FBI and report the editors of the National Review, who damage national security and help Al Qaeda by telling terrorists that we monitor their phone calls, use roving wiretaps, examine their library records, use “sneak-and-peak” searches of their apartments, and read their e-mails? You can find a link for this at the above page.
Finally, while you are on the phone to the FBI, you need to tell them to throw that traitor Frank Thorsberg in prison for publishing this on the Internet, on CNN.com:
The proposed PATRIOT (Provide Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism) Act would provide investigators with more flexibility and greater access to high-tech tools to pursue wiretaps of mobile phones, interception of e-mail messages, and monitoring of Web surfing and other PC-based communications.
June 24th, 2006 at 8:09 amOh, and while you rightwingers are pondering my last post, maybe you can explain this:
Of defending the NSA warrantless wiretapping program, the president has said:
We know that a two-minute phone conversation between somebody linked to al Qaeda here and an operative overseas could lead directly to the loss of thousands of lives. To save American lives, we must be able to act fast and to detect these conversations so we can prevent new attacks.
Bush claims that going to a FISA court for a warrant is too slow and cumbersome, and any delays could hamper efforts at tracking terrorists.
Yet for domestic-to-domestic calls, he has said he will go to a FISA court. What if that two-minute call Bush speaks about above is from one terrorist to another, from NY to LA? He has no problem going to a FISA court for that.
Explain the logic in this.
June 24th, 2006 at 8:30 amOh, and one more question, rightwingers.
Name one congressman who said his or her vote to authorize the use of force after the 9/11 attacks included warrantless wiretapping.
I want a quote and a link.
June 24th, 2006 at 8:33 amdon’t you find it interesting that more folks watch FOX than all the other “news” outlets combined? ya know why? because nobody believes the liberal media anymore! hey at least we got nutty Dan Rather-biased out.
June 24th, 2006 at 9:46 amcelebrating diversity one FOX news channel at a time!
#37 – Welcome back, jurassicpork.
June 24th, 2006 at 11:31 amMoving post, I’m glad Bobby had someone like you at the end of his life.
I’ve always lived by these words: Never, never, never give up.
It seems that the Iraq War, with all the necessary counter-espionage techniquies employed during the time of war, is the last campaign issue Democrats have to use in this 2006 election year. Dems haven’t learned that they LOSE when the press covers conservative judicial nominations, or the military person just nominated to the CIA, and just keep diving on that bait. Immigration was great until the black community saw Hill’reh bowing to Hispanics instead of them, and finally recognized true competition for both their votes and low wage jobs.
The hysteria you are hearing is the slow realization that the Dems have once again blown an election year opportunity, because they still refuse to moderate their extreme left positions, and instead use the tactic of screaming their extreme left views ever LOUDER, as if we didn’t get it the first time.
June 24th, 2006 at 11:52 amAs for the liberal media, Rush Limbaugh put it best this week. A few years ago, the liberal media was merely biased in their reporting, but today, they have become blatantly ACTIVIST! Only Fox News, which endeavors to have pundits from both the left and the right, attempt to make information dissemination fair and balanced. Fox may have conservative hosts, but they bring on the liberal mouthpieces to express their views, something you just don’t see often in the mainstream media.
June 24th, 2006 at 11:55 amThe Latest Bush-Rove Terror-Scare — This is what it is all about, and it isn’t about terrorism
http://www.progressivedailybeacon.com/more.php?page=opinion&id=1180
The latest U.S. terror-scare is unfolding like a cheap dime-store romance novel’s all-too-predictable plot. No doubt, the latest terror-scare is a Rove coordinated gimmick. The so-called seven terrorists in Miami had no weapons, no bombs, and no bomb-making material. According to neighbors these highly “dangerous” men would — for all the world to see — stand guard outside their little cinder-block residence/”terror” den, while wearing black ninja-like attire with only their eyes showing. All seven of the men were planning a “ground invasion” of the United States — that’s right, all seven of them! The sinful-seven never made contact with al-Qaeda, but supposedly swore allegiance to an FBI informant they believed to be a member of al-Qaeda. So, is this latest terror-scare about election-year politics or more?
The simple answer is more. The FBI’s Director, Muller, just happened to make an “exclusive” appearance on CNN’s Larry King, while the terror-scare was unfolding. His message? The dangers of “homegrown” terrorism. Incredibly enough, the next day, Friday, Director Muller had a pre-scheduled speech to be delivered to a group at the Cleveland City Club. The message? Again, the dangers of “homegrown” terrorism.
During Alberto Gonzales’ Friday press-conference, most questions presented to him were, for America’s incompetent press, relevant. However, a young woman — absent pen or paper — asked Gonzales this question (paraphrasing but accurate in meaning), “What does this say about the importance of ‘domestic spying?’” Gonzales, of course, immediately referenced Canada’s recent domestic anti-terror operation. Muller led off his Cleveland speech with exactly that Canadian operation, and the important role domestic spying played in thwarting that group.
What then, is the “more” aspect of America’s latest terror-scare? The more aspect is to convince Americans that their government really, really, really needs to spy on them. Never mind the country is overflowing with these bungling buffoon-type — if not outright mentally ill — anti-government groups. Never mind that this particular group of people couldn’t blow their noses if their brains were nuclear warheads — be AFRAID America! Domestic terrorists lurk behind EVERY corner. Or, in this case, and for all the world to see, stand guard wearing ninja outfits.
Still, there is more. Another common theme shared between the Gonzales news-conference and Muller’s Cleveland speech — America’s agencies and, therefore, George W. Bush are really doing a great job keeping you safe. Yes, doing a great job keeping you safe from a group of people who eventually, in all reality should be diagnosed with and treated for schizophrenia or some other officially recognized mental illness.
All this, of course, fits in with the Rove election-year 2006 game plan: America and all Americans need to be AFRAID — VERY AFRAID! The new big threat to their security isn’t the guy Bush can’t catch — Usama bin-Laden and his al-Qaeda terror network — because he is bogged down in Iraq, while the Taliban moves to retake Afghanistan. No, the REAL threat to EVERY American is a group of seven seemingly mentally ill and highly delusional “homegrown” terrorists and others just like them. People so simpleminded, unlike bin-Laden, that Bush and Rove can manufacture the ways and means to capture them.
The timing of this story, too, just happens to come as the administration has, again, been caught illegally infringing on civil liberties. This time — spying on the peoples financial dealings.
In its entirety America, that is what this latest terror-scare is all about. Election year politics to be sure, but more than that: An excuse to justify you surrendering more of your civil liberties. Surrender them now, so Bush and Rove can keep you safe from seven, by all indications, mentally ill people in Miami. Seven people who — yes, all seven of them — were going to invade America through a ground invasion.
June 24th, 2006 at 11:58 amLiberals have been loosing the debates for years, so they, as Ann Coulter describes in her book GODLESS, use either victims or celebrities to trade on their sympathy or popularity to voice liberal talking points for the recruitment of individuals to their cause.
June 24th, 2006 at 11:59 amJason,
Perchance, do you have an original thought of your own? No? Then suggesting that liberals are equally gullable and motivated by shiny things would be saying that they are the same as conservatives. The reason we are called liberals is because we are the opposite of you. Therefore, we do not fall for your same juvenile idol worship… Clear?
June 24th, 2006 at 12:15 pmdon’t you find it interesting that more folks watch FOX than all the other “news†outlets combined? ya know why? because nobody believes the liberal media anymore!
Comment by nooncrap – June 24, 2006 @ 9:46 am
Well, what I find even funnier is that you Einsteins actually believe your own make believe math.
Trust me Decartes. There aren’t that many trailer parks in America.
June 24th, 2006 at 12:20 pmAnd you’re right moonrat.
Every other news outlet, in the world, other than Fox, is against you.
June 24th, 2006 at 12:23 pmWorfeus,
You know, it’s becoming more and more irrefutable with these wingnuts that they don’t get that we aren’t like them in the way we fear everything… They really don;t get that. But I suppose that is to be expected when they never leave their livingrooms, except suring a commercial to get another beer or martini to wash down that anti-depressant…
If instead, they would occupy themselves with this amazing world we live in, they wouldn’t have time to hate everything else to feel better about their inconsequential lives.
June 24th, 2006 at 12:24 pmin the way they fear everything…
June 24th, 2006 at 12:27 pmin the way they fear everything…
June 24th, 2006 at 12:27 pmWorfeus,
You know, it’s becoming more and more irrefutable with these wingnuts that they don’t get that we aren’t like them in the way we fear everything… They really don;t get that
Comment by unbelievable — June 24, 2006 @ 12:24 pm
I know. I guess they’re too busy being afraid to see that no one else is.
Fear makes people do strange things, which would explain a lot. Cause the right has made the strangest moves I’ve ever seen.
Its al that fear. Makes em crazy.
June 24th, 2006 at 12:40 pmBush lovers are extremely paranoid people who are afraid of everything and everybody as well! They fear their own neighbors might kill them while they are sleeping, so in fear they support the Bush Regime, but Dubya is the one who is taking their freedoms away and the one who most likely could order goons to kick down their doors to murder them someday > very ironic fact!
June 24th, 2006 at 12:43 pmTheir security moms watch the mailman, to make sure he’s not putting a bomb in their mailbox.
Their mailmen watch the security moms, to make sure they aren’t getting mail from Osama Bin Laden.
And their spies at NSA watch them both.
June 24th, 2006 at 12:48 pmIts like a merrygoround of paranoia.
June 24th, 2006 at 12:51 pmWorfeus and Jay,
Last year when I moved back here from San Francisco, I spent 5 weeks on the road with two cats and 5 potted plants. And, I rarely took the beaten path or stayed in motels. I went places that were remote and devoid of much human existence. I met all kinds of interesting people doing the same, and people amused by a traveling cat (the other one stayed hidden) who was enjoying teh adventure. And never once was I afraid. I learned how to change a tire or an engine belt should one break. I carried the essential fluids for my car, food, water and necessities should I have been stranded for a bit. I sent a copy of my agenda to my brother, just incase. And because I left prepared and educated – I had no reason to be afraid. And as a result, it was one of the best trips I’ve ever taken. I got some amazing shots of some amazing places that the paranoid Right will only see in magazines or on television. I would hate to live my entire life as a spectator. No wonder they are so grouchy and pissy… you know?
June 24th, 2006 at 12:54 pmI suggested a long time ago that they all go out and by themselves each a steel “panic room”, bury it in their back yards, climb in and pull the door shut behind them.
We’ll give them a call when its safe to come out.
June 24th, 2006 at 12:55 pmWe’ll give them a call when its safe to come out.
Comment by FLAVIUS WORFEUS — June 24, 2006 @ 12:55 pm
Too funny!
June 24th, 2006 at 12:57 pmwell look at the pot calling the kettle black. You say we on the right are paranoid then you lefties get all pissy about programs to keep America secure and equating Bush and conservatives with Hitler. has the left in this country become so insane that they cannot even see their own hypocrisy and ignorance when it it is spewing forth from their own mouths? You lefties would be the first to whine Bush did not do enough if we were attacked again. Face it your blind hatred and bigotry of Bush and conservatives has cause you guys to go off the deep end. America has rejected liberalism and no democrats can win elections because the far left kook fringe has taken over the party and you just cannot deal with the fact nobody outside of these liberal blogs pays much attention to you. We are in a war against scumbags who want to destroy us and all you lefties do is find ways to give comfort and support to the enemy and ignorantly attack the good people who are tring to protect us.
June 24th, 2006 at 12:58 pmgood find unbelievable…bookmarked that one…
the righties would be glad to know what their own idols think of them:
June 24th, 2006 at 12:59 pmCal Thomas referring to Fox News Channel: “There’s only so much of that trailer trash pie to go around”
Course, they shouldn’t be too surprised if we forget to make that call.
After all, the rest of us will be up here busy living.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:01 pmunbelievable > I have taken road trips across the US several times in my life and never have thought twice about violence occuring towards myself from anybody! The Bush lovers on the other hand, if they travel at all, are afraid that homeless people might murder them, or Black people, or whomever! To live in fear like that is unhealthy and plain stupid too!
June 24th, 2006 at 1:03 pmYou say we on the right are paranoid then you lefties get all pissy about programs to keep America secure and equating Bush and conservatives with Hitler.
Comment by moonrat bastard — June 24, 2006 @ 12:58 pm
Yea, and we’re calling you out on them too nimrod.
If we were afraid of your dumb ass, then we wouldn’t be too likely to openly voice our opposition to your anit-American activities, now would we?
Dumbass.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:06 pmMoonbat > why are you NOT in Iraq with a rifle in your hand? Since you adore Bush and his Iraq fiasco so much, then get over to Baghdad, or shut your yapper on here!
June 24th, 2006 at 1:07 pmYou lefties would be the first to whine Bush did not do enough if we were attacked again
Comment by bigfat dolt — June 24, 2006 @ 12:58 pm
Well, considering that so far he’s done nothing other than eavesdrop on my Grandmother, yea, I guess we would.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:08 pm#87 – Flavius – Your “Mom/Mailman” scenario is an EXCELLENT example of “Trust, but verify”.
#66 – Where have they been on the biggest stories of all time: stolen elections, 9/11 lies, wars of aggression, war crimes… You name it, the media hid it. They only want scoops that support the president and are willing to invent them when they must.
The media lies; the media is bush’s mouth and asshole.” -Comment by Ken Daves
*****The conspiracy theorists on the left claim to LOVE unfettered media – and promptly rely on “conspiracy theories” fostered by Al Jezeera contributors. Sure sounds un-biased to me…..
Happy
June 24th, 2006 at 1:11 pmWe are in a war against scumbags who want to destroy us
Comment by fatcat troll — June 24, 2006 @ 12:58 pm
Agreed.
And they’re called republicans.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:12 pmNo MA, its an example of a paranoid police state.
But thanks for playing.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:14 pmMoonbat > the only reason Repubs stay in office is because they cheat to win! If America had 100% fair elections with every ballot counted, then the GOP would be a minority party for all eternity!
June 24th, 2006 at 1:14 pm#98 – “Well, considering that so far he’s done nothing other than eavesdrop on my Grandmother,…” – Comment by Falvius Worfeus
June 24th, 2006 at 1:18 pmFlavius – My apologies – I didn’t know Grandma was an Al Quaeda operative.
well look at the pot calling the kettle black.
Do you not grap the meaning of the word ‘opposites’?
You say we on the right are paranoid then you lefties get all pissy about programs to keep America secure and equating Bush and conservatives with Hitler.
That’s not paranoid – it’s what the Founding Fathers asked us to do – be skeptical of any government that wants to restrict our rights in the name of anything, and be vigiliant. Clearly you didn’t get that far in high school.
We don’t have to compare Bush toHitler. He does it all on his own.
has the left in this country become so insane that they cannot even see their own hypocrisy and ignorance when it it is spewing forth from their own mouths?
You meant the Right. No, obviously you don’t. Not at all.
You lefties would be the first to whine Bush did not do enough if we were attacked again.
Tapping domestic phone calls is not doing anything to prevent another terrosit attack.
Face it your blind hatred and bigotry of Bush and conservatives has cause you guys to go off the deep end.
Only a neocon would call demanding accountability to be the ‘deep end’. LOL
America has rejected liberalism
Nope. America is majority liberal.
and no democrats can win elections because the far left kook fringe has taken over the party
Democrats haven’t been liberal in a while. Just like the Republicans haven’t been real conservatives. Though, the Democrats won in 2000. The Supreme Court over-rode that decision.
and you just cannot deal with the fact nobody outside of these liberal blogs pays much attention to you.
Oh, I wouldn’t say that. We have many of you here paying attentin to us. O’Reilly and Hannity and Coulter seem to be rather fond of paying attention to us…
We are in a war against scumbags who want to destroy us and all you lefties do is find ways to give comfort and support to the enemy and ignorantly attack the good people who are tring to protect us.
Comment by moonbat patrol — June 24, 2006 @ 12:58 pm
You guys can keep repeatingyour irrational mantra, but it’s still a as much of a lie the first time you uttered it as it will be the last time you utter it.
If anyone is making this country less safe it is the President who has shown the world that our super power military can’t even win a war in Iraq. You know, the third-world shit hole with no real miltary you guys keep insulting?
June 24th, 2006 at 1:19 pmFlavius – The “Mom/Mailman” scenario is ONLY an example of a “paranoid police state if:
June 24th, 2006 at 1:22 pma.) Mom places the mailman under a citizens arrest
b.) mailman is an undercover HSA or CIA operative and arrests or takes out Mom.
Your leaps are entertaining but you could get farther in a single bound if you took off the ridiculous looking cape.
I didn’t know Grandma was an Al Quaeda operative.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 24, 2006 @ 1:18 pm
Shes not, but thanks for driving my point home.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:22 pmSo MA and Moonbat got assigned some TP threads by Rove today > what a pair > lol.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:24 pmFlavius – The “Mom/Mailman†scenario is ONLY an example of a “paranoid police state if:
a.) Mom places the mailman under a citizens arrest
b.) mailman is an undercover HSA or CIA operative and arrests or takes out Mom.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 24, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
c.) The mailman turns someone in for because he thinks he saw a letter from Jerusalem (letter turns out later to be from Jerusalem, Pennsylvania)
d,) If the President asks mom and the mailman to watch each other.
e.) If half the country is “ok” with it
June 24th, 2006 at 1:27 pmDear Moonbat – All this widespread national LIBERALISM in a country where only 17% of the people self-identify as “Liberals” – and they accuse Repubs of cooking the books?? HA! I do believe Fox News drives them crazy, though, because these were the same whiners who viewed thress liberals and one conservative as a balanced argument. (Well, considering the disingenuous nature of the “Power hungry BUT Power starved” Progs, maybe they NEEDED three half-baked “thinkers” to compete against a conservative.
Happy Saturday!
June 24th, 2006 at 1:29 pmThe Bush lovers on the other hand, if they travel at all, are afraid that homeless people might murder them, or Black people, or whomever!
Comment by Jay Randal — June 24, 2006 @ 1:03 pm
The ones who dare venture out only seem to do so in their mobile subdivisions. Oh yeah. Everyone is out to get them! When the Natioanl Crime rate has been dropping every year for the last decade… And the people who do shoot someone, 95% of the time, shoot someone they know. I began to notice how you could tell the neocons from the liberals on the road based on the size of their accomodations (Compenating for something?? :).
I was camping in the Gulf States National Seashore just before Hurricane Katrina hit last year. I was the only one in the area with a tent. Everyone else had those HUGE motorhomes, which they only got out of to set out the satellite dish and walk the yippie dog around the motorhome. Lots o’ super-sized fat people in those things!
We camped a lot when I was a kid and the best part was that you could meet other people and talk about life and travels and the sort. Not anymore. Say hello and those people lock their doors. Even when I went to the new Aquarium, I realized how paranoid people have become. The book “Culture of Fear’ calls them ‘dangerous strangers’ LOL. If some kid would come up next to me and say something, I would respond. Funny how many parents would pull the kid away or push inbetween us. Like I could really get out the door with a plus-sized nine year old who outweighs me – even if I wanted to. LOL Did you see the security station they have! Like you’re taking a tour of Fort Knox!
June 24th, 2006 at 1:30 pm#79 unbelieveable,
You should no longer be called liberals. True liberals merely believed in the freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly, etc. More accurately, those who would call themselves “progressives” should call themselves fascist (because no one is allowed to disagree with them and still prosper), socialist (because you want the government to provide incomes to its citizens, and not themselves) and communist (because you want the government to own and control all businesses and industries). That is far more retrogressive or regressive, than progressive.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:31 pmf.) When half the country is dumb enough to believe that terrorists with poison ink pens are coming for their children.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:31 pmMA your partner at the hair salon called to say he needs you today > also he said no cross dressing today since it scares the straight GOP clients, but not ones like Rove and Mehlman > lol.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:33 pm#109, mighty aphrodite,
If you want great examples of how one conservative can thrash three or more liberals, just watch the majority of the Real Time with Bill Maher shows on HBO. Consistently, week after week, the lone conservative on a liberally stacked panel with liberal/moderate host and unfriendly liberal audience would just pound all comers. Bill Salmon, or the little female representative from Florida, etc., would just nuetralize anything the panelists had to say on an issue, then drive home conservative perspective views. It is one of the best spectacles on television.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:35 pmAll this widespread national LIBERALISM in a country where only 17% of the people self-identify as “Liberals
Comment by not-so mighty aphrodite — June 24, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
Gee, then you guys must really suck, what with more than half the country against you?
Guess that 17 percent figure is derived from the same math that told you bozos that a missle with a range of less than 3000 miles fired from North Korea, could hit San Fransisco.
Maybe you should put down the calculator and get an adding tool a little more suited to your skills.
Like an Abacus.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:35 pmunbelievable > I tend to not say a word to any Repub children, because the parents look cross eyed at you if you dare say anything to them! Easy to tell who is a Repub child > usually fat with no necks > lol.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:38 pmprogressives†should call themselves fascist (because no one is allowed to disagree with them and still prosper),
Comment by Jason M. Hendler of Children — June 24, 2006 @ 1:31 pm
Yea?
Seems like your shooting your big fat mouth off well enough.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:39 pmIt is one of the best spectacles on television.
Comment by Jason M. Handler of Children — June 24, 2006 @ 1:35 pm
You’re right. Once a week Bill and the gang make fools of you all. Its quite the spectacle.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:42 pm#117, flavius worfeus,
You are welcome to debate me and go on with your life. Liberals / progressives aren’t as kind to conservatives. Do you have any clarifications or corrections to my statements?
June 24th, 2006 at 1:43 pmIn fact, every nightime comedy or talk show NOT on BS News, has made a laughing stock of the poor reich wing.
In fact, the ass clowns of the current right wing are so pathetically inbred stupid, that an entire entertainment industry has been created, just to make fun of you.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:44 pmHave to go work in my garden before the thunderstorms start this afternoon! Bad storm here yesterday unbelievable > downburst winds up to 70mph occured for about 15 minutes > messed up my yard with snapped off branches from trees > more global warming evidence?
June 24th, 2006 at 1:44 pmLiberals / progressives aren’t as kind to conservatives. Do you have any clarifications or corrections to my statements?
Comment by Jason M. Hitler — June 24, 2006 @ 1:43 pm
LOL, now THATS funny.
Ill have to remember to send Ann Coulter a thank you card for her kindness to us.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:47 pmworfeus – you should enjoy these videos
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more global warming evidence?
Comment by Jay Randal — June 24, 2006 @ 1:44 pm
We lost power for two hours. Glad it was at night when it wasn’t swelteringly hot.
We’ve always had a lot of heavy rain here – but in the warmer months now it all seems to be severe thunderstorms.
Enjoy your garden!
June 24th, 2006 at 1:50 pmDear Jason – It IS fun to watch someone who KNOWS how to debate on TV. But you must admit, sometimes it’s painful to watch progs dissemble to the point of imploding. (Being a compassionate conservative, I feel their pain.) But one has to wonder about a philosophy based on:
a.) sticking their hands in our handbags or wallets, grabbing $$, giving it to the lazy or “poor choice” makers – whom they encourage to continue in their destructive behaviour, and then patting THEMSELVES on the back. (***MOONBAT alert** THE previous statement is a criticism on the Progressive Poverty Enablers out there. A 12- Step Program might assist you with the “addiction” to feel more love and compassion than everyone, everywhere.)
b.) overturning AND up-ending EVERY social institution known to mankind. (i.e. “If it feels good – do it. Anything goes – Anytime. And we expect you to like it – and if you can’t like it, keep your mouths shut and PAY for our mistakes.)
Heading to the Little League field – a great American tradition…..
June 24th, 2006 at 1:51 pm#119, flavius,
You’ll get no arguement from me about the liberals generating comedy shows to aid the liberal activist agenda – Air America, Real Time with Bill Maher, The Daily Show, Colbert Report (although this one has backfired on liberals). Dennis Miller used to have a great show on CNBC, but the liberal execs chose to kill it, should Dennis become popular enough to run for office.
Personally, I don’t consider calling someone stupid, etc. over and over as real comedy – it’s lazy pandering, but still earns those hacks a buck.
As long as “progressives” retreat into name calling and inflexibility, they will never win broad enough appeal to win elected office – suit yourself.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:51 pmI have to make like a baby and head out as well, but I’ll be back.
Come looking for me later Herr Hendler, and I’ll be happy to beat up on your dumbass some more.
Doodles.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:53 pmAs long as “progressives†retreat into name calling and inflexibility, they will never win broad enough appeal to win elected office – suit yourself.
Comment by Jason M. Offender — June 24, 2006 @ 1:51 pm
You mean like Dick Cheney telling a US Congressmen to go fu@#k himself?
Yea, I see what you mean lamebrain.
Nice.
Like I said, come looking for me this evening, and I’ll be happy to beat up on you some more.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:55 pmHeading to the Little League field – a great American tradition…..
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 24, 2006 @ 1:51 pm
He’s going to pick up a date.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:57 pm#125, mighty aphrodite,
You have hit on the major weakness of the liberal progressive movement – there’s is a movement of disparate, mutual-exclusive causes that enable non-viable behaviour. Progressives are addicted to the “good feeling” they get supporting their causes, while enabling those problems to persist. I have often posted that for the progressives to achieve success, they have to step back, determine their core values (not just random causes), create policies based on these causes, identify candidates who embody these policies and run campaigns which communicate the values and policies through these candidates.
Unfortunately for progressives, that requires a lot of time, for which they have no patience.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:57 pmJesus’ General is full of goodies…
check out his letter to “General Gonzales”
and this great new conservative anthem - Jam It In Your Craw
June 24th, 2006 at 2:02 pm-dedicated to our own special reichwingers here at TP … enjoy!
Colbert Report (although this one has backfired on liberals).
Au contraire. Not at all. It’s been the exact opposite. Silly neocons thought he was serious and so he gets invited to be a guest speaker where he slams the right. Yeah, that backfired… LOL
Dennis Miller used to have a great show on CNBC, but the liberal execs chose to kill it, should Dennis become popular enough to run for office.
I’m so laughing at you… Dennis Miller’s audience never laughed at his jokes. I tried watching it a couple times when I was still a moderate conservative and I thought it sucked. All he did was call names and insult people… You know – that thing you claim to hate while you’re doing it?
Personally, I don’t consider calling someone stupid, etc. over and over as real comedy – it’s lazy pandering, but still earns those hacks a buck.
Just like the ever violent mud-slinging O’Reilly, Coulter and Dennis Miller…
As long as “progressives†retreat into name calling and inflexibility, they will never win broad enough appeal to win elected office – suit yourself.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 24, 2006 @ 1:51 pm
I bet you’re wrong about November. But I guess we’ll just see…
June 24th, 2006 at 2:03 pmUnfortunately for progressives, that requires a lot of time, for which they have no patience.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 24, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
Is patience what George Bush showed with Iraq? Don’t think so. Until you show some, you shouldn’t go calling the kettle black yourself…
June 24th, 2006 at 2:05 pm#133, unbelieveable,
I think 14 years of sanctions and military containment was far too long a “grace period” for Saddam, so, yes, the US was patient with Saddam.
June 24th, 2006 at 2:20 pmJason,
Bush was President for a year when we attacked Iraq for the second time. The UN was notready to attack, and most of Europe was against is as well. Why? Because Saddam had no WMD and because the Inspectors felt they hadn’t had enoughtime to do tehir job.
You don’t attack people on speculation. In this country – you go to jail for assaulting someone who you think might be considering hitting you… With reason. Look what happens when you strike without a valid motive? And you wonder why the world hates us.
We have killed too many people and wasted billions of dollars that could have gone to better causes – over what? Nothing, that’s what.
June 24th, 2006 at 2:30 pmSince when does the media need to help fight the “war on terror”? Are we in the Soviet Union? Tey aren’t state media- they can do whatevert they want. If FNC has to back up the morons in the White House, they can do that. But don;t question the “patriotism” of meida outlets that don’t join them.
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June 24th, 2006 at 2:49 pm#135, unbelieveable,
Bush was president for less than a year when Al Quieda bombed the World Trade Center (WTC) for a second time, after they had bombed the WTC, two embassies and a naval vessal under draft dodger Bill Clinton. After 9/11, any country destabilizing security in the middle east was open to attack, whether it was providing safe harbour to terrorists, or just threatening it’s neighbors (Iraq had invaded Kuwait, and was being militarily and economically contained).
Please do keep talking about Iraq, now that it has 3 elections under its belt, and a complete government agressively pursuing insurgents throughout Baghdad. By November, you will see the folly of your campaign strategies.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:10 pmBush was president for less than a year when Al Quieda bombed the World Trade Center (WTC)
You don’t know how long do you? Lemme help… He was sworn in January 20th 2001. 9/11 occured on September 11, 2001. That would be just under 9 months.
Al Qaeda, on 9/11, did not ‘bomb’ the Trade Towers. They flew planes into it. You should be careful – the ‘Inside Job’ nuts say that it was bombed by Bush. Can’t go sounding any crazier than you already do…
Back to Bush, who had almost 9 months to do something based on the report his team was given by Clinton’s team called “bin Laden determined to attack within the United States.” It’s how he knew Osama did it when the rest of the country was wondering who would attack us like that.
But instead of doing something – Bush went on vacation. He was mid-publicity stunt when the attacks occured. Hardly the place for a man worried aboutthe safety of our country.
for a second time, after they had bombed the WTC, two embassies and a naval vessal under draft dodger Bill Clinton.
Well, add Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld into that club of draft-dodgers… (FYI I’m not a Clintonite and never voted for him).
Considering Bush and his Regime have had 5.5 years to do something about Osama – who is still at large – you’re really not at an advantage here. Clinton didn’t get him, and so far, with 5 times more time to do so, neither has Bush.
After 9/11, any country destabilizing security in the middle east was open to attack, whether it was providing safe harbour to terrorists, or just threatening it’s neighbors (Iraq had invaded Kuwait, and was being militarily and economically contained).
You CANNOT link Iraq to 9/11. They are not connected on any level. Stop lying to make it seem like Iraq was about 9/11. 9/11 was aboutOsama and his radical extremists from SAUDI ARABIA…
Please do keep talking about Iraq, now that it has 3 elections under its belt, and a complete government agressively pursuing insurgents throughout Baghdad. By November, you will see the folly of your campaign strategies.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 24, 2006 @ 3:10 pm
There is civil war, they are killing our soldiers (the Iraqi soldiers in at least one known case so far), US soldiers are killing innocent civilians intentionally, The people are living in a war zone without full-power or clean water in many cases much less the ability to live like a normal person, Iran is possibly supplying Al Qaeda with weapons to fight us – and all you can say is “See, if you put on my rosy glasses that filter out reality, we can take credit for the lovely place Iraq is without Saddam’s leadership.” Are you nuts?
By November, even Diebold won’t save you.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:00 pmUnfortunately for progressives, that requires a lot of time, for which they have no patience.
Comment by Dumbass — June 24, 2006 @ 1:57 pm
LMFAO, holy crap.
The hubris is so thick you could cut it with a knife.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:37 pmI got news for you numbnuts. All the scientists are on THIS side of the fence.
Get a clue.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:38 pmYou don’t attack people on speculation. In this country – you go to jail for assaulting someone who you think might be considering hitting you…
Comment by unbelievable — June 24, 2006 @ 2:30 pm
A point lost on these graduates to be sure.
But tell you what. Why don’t you prove her wrong Jason?
Next time you’re walking down the street in the ghetto where you reside, pick someone out on the OTHER side of the street. Someone who you think may be looking at you wrong, in a possible hostile manner.
Then take a baseball bat, walk across the street, and bash his head in.
When the police arrive, just tell them you launched a “Pre-Emptive Strike”.
Be sure to let us know how that works out for you.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:46 pmAt any time, any day, in any place someone can jump out of the bushes and stab us with a knife, shoot us with a gun or hurt us in some other way.
And do we build iron cages to live in?
Or do we bravely step outside of our doorsteps every morning, not knowing what awaits us, but nonetheless we plod forward.
Yet with all the threats to our lives, from disease, crime, accidents etc, you guys would have us focus on a tiny group of men who have about as much of a chance of seriously hurting the US as I do in winning the lottery (hint – I don’t play).
But you’d kill as many Americans as they already have, and more, butcher hundreds of thousands of them, break every international law we ever wrote or co-authored, spy on our own citizens, violate our own constitution, waste hundreds of BILLIONs of dollars, just to get one guy living in a bunker in the middle east.
Like a bull in a china shop your party is perhaps the most clumsy, bumbling backwards group of pinheads thats ever occupied the White House.
You embarrass yourselves.
You embarrass us all.
June 24th, 2006 at 10:45 pmYou embarrass us all.
Comment by FLAVIUS `WORFEUS — June 24, 2006 @ 10:45 pm
Well said!
June 25th, 2006 at 10:12 amMy ownly point in my post on science, was that liberals’ unquestioned belief in scientific “fact”, while mocking religion, is hypocritical given that those scientific “facts” change yearly, whereas religious beliefs have been consistent for millenia.
June 25th, 2006 at 11:52 amMy ownly point in my post on science, was that liberals’ unquestioned belief in scientific “factâ€, while mocking religion, is hypocritical given that those scientific “facts†change yearly,
Facts don’t change yearly. Science just becaomes more precise. You don’t know what you are talking about.
whereas religious beliefs have been consistent for millenia.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 25, 2006 @ 11:52 am
Nonsense. It’s why there isn’t ONE religion, but thousands. Religion is habitually changing. Thousands of years ago – it was paganism for the most part in Europe. Only about 500 years ago did Christianity become popular. And, just as the cycle brought it in favor, so too will it bring about the next phase of religious blather and crazed fanaticism for invisible idols. Opiate of the masses alright.
June 25th, 2006 at 3:12 pmJason, please read up about scientific theory:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
June 25th, 2006 at 3:14 pmIn science, a theory is a proposed description, explanation, or model of the manner of interaction of a set of natural phenomena, capable of predicting future occurrences or observations of the same kind, and capable of being tested through experiment or otherwise falsified through empirical observation. It follows from this that for scientists “theory” and “fact” do not necessarily stand in opposition. For example, it is a fact that an apple dropped on earth has been observed to fall towards the center of the planet, and the theory which explains why the apple behaves so is the current theory of gravitation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory
June 25th, 2006 at 3:15 pmMy ownly point in my post on science, was that liberals’ unquestioned belief in scientific “factâ€, while mocking religion, is hypocritical given that those scientific “facts†change yearly, whereas religious beliefs have been consistent for millenia.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 25, 2006 @ 11:52 am
Well there you have it.
In a nutshell, our friend Jason of the Argonuts has just showed his ass, and the ass of the entire right wing Christian coalition wingnuts.
You can’t argue with that kind of logic to be sure, as it is a non-logic based on, he said it, a “belief”.
Its like trying to explain Red Shift to a Chimpanzee. You can try, but he just doesn’t have the basic reasoning skills, or peripheral knowledge to grasp the concept.
Its “over his head”.
June 25th, 2006 at 4:21 pmJune 25th, 2006 at 4:39 pm
In science it often happens that scientists say, ‘You know that’s a really good argument; my position is mistaken,’ and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again.
They really do it. It doesn’t happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful.
But it happens every day.
I cannot recall the last time something like that happened in politics or religion.
Dr Carl Sagan
June 25th, 2006 at 4:44 pm1987 CSICOP
June 25th, 2006 at 4:46 pm
I maintain there is much more wonder in science than in pseudoscience.
And in addition, to whatever measure this term has any meaning, science has the additional virtue, and it is not an inconsiderable one, of being true.
Carl Sagan
June 25th, 2006 at 4:58 pmThe Burden Of Skepticism
June 25th, 2006 at 5:12 pm
Am I the only person that giggles like a school girl when Fox News criticizes and accuses “The Media” of things, as if they are not a member of the media? It amuses me to no end! Tee hee hee
June 26th, 2006 at 1:17 pmComrades,
Why are we discussing Fox News? I’m not aware of any good loyal Liberal Socialist Democrat that would spend one minute watching propaganda like that. Why do they call it Fox? Because their conniving!
But, you’re loosing focus again! There is a greater, clearer and more dangerous threat too our party that will shortly perpetrate our air-waves on ABC’s “The Path to 9/11â€
These traitors at ABC are betrayers of our new mother land. Where I come from, this Robert A. Iger would be dragged through the streets in front of the tomb of our glorious leader Vladimir Lenin and shot in public. The producers, directors, writers and anyone associated with this propaganda would be picked up in the early hours of the morning by our State Security Chief Lavrenty Beria (The Black Hand) and taken to a Siberian labor camp never too be heard from again.
For many years I have been loyal to ABC and the Pravda (truth) that our Socialist Liberal ally has put forth in order to progress our ultimate goal; the decline and absolute destruction of America and the capitalist traitorous pig’s like ABC.
I ask you Mr. Robert A. Iger, “Have you no shame Sir�
Comrades, we must not give up the fight. It has taken us many years to groom you and your elected leaders.
Remember what our great leader Nikita Khrushchev said:
“ We can’t expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism ”
It’s more important now then ever before that we stand together and stay focused! We can not allow this abomination of propaganda to go forward.
We must do whatever it takes to keep this film from airing on Sunday the 10th, 2006, we only have a few hours left.
It is your duty as loyal Liberal Socialist Democrats to rise up in solidarity and put a stop to this immediately!
Senator Harry Reid, one of our courageous and distinguished Senatorial leaders from the state of Nevada, reminded the capitalist traitorous pigs at ABC of their license from the FCC. Please Senator Reid, we’re your loyal comrades in arms and begging you to use all the glorious power you possess. You must stop this film! You must push forward with an iron fist and crush this despicable display of propaganda.
If this film isn’t stopped from airing on ABC, Sunday night, I’m afraid all our efforts since the cold war and the aspirations of our great leaders from glorious years past and Nikita Khrushchev’s dreams and predictions will have been lost.
If we loose now, the great Liberal Socialist Democratic Party, we have nurtured, will decline into the ash heaps of history never too be heard from again.
Where are our great defenders the A.C.L.U.? There silence is deafening. Their founder; Roger Nash Baldwin a supporter of the Communist Party would not let this despicable propaganda go unchallenged.
Remember comrades, we destroyed Senator Joseph R. McCarthy in the 1950’s while attempting to exploit and expose us.
This should be an easy task. We already have many supporters in positions of power. If we wish to control this country, then we must be more diligent in our efforts to stop this ABC film.
You must!…. I repeat, you must contact our comrades in arms at their offices in Washington.
Now I’ve done all the work all you have to do is contact our “elected officials†below by e-mail or call:
Clinton, Hillary Rodham- (D – NY) Class I
476 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4451
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(202) 224-3542
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(202) 224-2742
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Landrieu, Mary L.- (D – LA) Class II
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(202) 224-5824
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269 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6221
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531 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6472
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Schumer, Charles E.- (D – NY) Class III
313 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-6542
Web Form: schumer.senate.gov/SchumerWebsite/contact/webform.cfm
Kennedy, Edward M.- (D – MA) Class I
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(202) 224-4543
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Feinstein, Dianne- (D – CA) Class I
331 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3841
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Leahy, Patrick J.- (D – VT) Class III
433 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4242
E-mail: senator_leahy@leahy.senate.gov
Stabenow, Debbie- (D – MI) Class I
133 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4822
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Durbin, Richard- (D – IL) Class II
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(202) 224-2152
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Lincoln, Blanche L.- (D – AR) Class III
355 DIRKSEN SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4843
Web Form: lincoln.senate.gov/webform.html
Feingold, Russell D.- (D – WI) Class III
506 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5323
E-mail: russell_feingold@feingold.senate.gov
Harkin, Tom- (D – IA) Class II
731 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-3254
Web Form: harkin.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm
Bayh, Evan- (D – IN) Class III
463 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5623
Web Form: bayh.senate.gov/WebMail1.htm
Biden, Joseph R., Jr.- (D – DE) Class II
201 RUSSELL SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5042
E-mail: senator@biden.senate.gov
Boxer, Barbara- (D – CA) Class III
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(202) 224-3553
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Menendez, Robert- (D – NJ) Class I
502 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-4744
Web Form: menendez.senate.gov/contact/contact.cfm
Nelson, Bill- (D – FL) Class I
716 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-5274
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Obama, Barack- (D – IL) Class III
713 HART SENATE OFFICE BUILDING WASHINGTON DC 20510
(202) 224-2854
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Byrd, Robert C.- (D – WV) Class I
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(202) 224-3954
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Cantwell, Maria- (D – WA) Class I
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(202) 224-3441
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Conrad, Kent- (D – ND) Class I
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(202) 224-2043
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(202) 224-3244
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Dodd, Christopher J.- (D – CT) Class III
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