VIDEO: Springsteen Hits Coulter, Defends Right To Take A Stand On Political Issues
VIDEO: Springsteen Hits Coulter, Defends Right To Take A Stand On Political Issues
In a recent interview, CNN’s Soledad O’Brien asked Bruce Springsteen (aka “The Boss”) about criticism he has received for taking a stand on political issues. Springsteen responded sarcastically, “Yeah, they should let Ann Coulter do it instead.” He added that there are “idiots rambling on on cable television on any given night of the week,” and called the idea that musicians shouldn’t speak up, “insane” and “funny.” Watch it:
Transcript:
O’BRIEN: In 2004 you came out very strongly in support of John Kerry and performed with him – your fellow guitarist, I think is how you introduced him to the crowd. And some people gave you a lot of flack for being a musician who took a political stand. I remember…
SPRINGSTEEN: Yeah, they should let Ann Coulter do it instead.
O’BRIEN: There is a whole school of thought, as you well know, that says that musicians – I mean you see it with the Dixie Chicks – you know, go play your music and stop.
SPRINGSTEEN: Well, if you turn it on, present company included, the idiots rambling on on cable television on any given night of the week, and you’re saying that musicians shouldn’t speak up? It’s insane. It’s funny.
O’BRIEN: As a musician though, I’d be curious to know if there is a concern that you start talking about politics, you came out at one point and said, I think in USA Today listen, the country would be better off if George Bush were replaced as President. Is there a worry where you start getting political and you could alienate your audience?
SPRINGSTEEN: Well that’s called common sense. I don’t even see that as politics at this point. So I mean that’s, you know, you can get me started, I’ll be glad to go. […] You don’t take a country like the United States into a major war on circumstantial evidence. You lose your job for that. That’s my opinion, and I have no problem voicing it. And some people like it and some people boo ya, you know?
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Good on ya, Boss!
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:51 amDemocrats have so much to learn from you, Bruce. Way to go.
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:52 am“Well, if you turn it on, present company included, the idiots rambling on on cable television on any given night of the week”
So he just called O’brien an idiot to his face? Thats awesome.
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:52 amWas O’Brien asleep when “Born in the USA” was playing from all the radios in America? I mean, I realize most idiots thouight it was a patriotic song, but it was was actually a strong political statement against war. Don’t act so shocked Soledad…
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 ami think you guys need to correct your springsteen quote.
thanks for the good reporting
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:53 amThey don’t tell right wing country singers to shut up, do they?
It should be a source of pride to all Americans that everyone is allowed to speak their minds. It is the right wing pundits who like to say “shut up,” but that is as un-American as it gets.
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amSo he just called O’brien an idiot to his face? Thats awesome.
Comment by squegeeboo — June 23, 2006 @ 10:52 am
Soledad is a woman.
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:54 amAh yes……..The republican stance is to silence anything and everything not agreeing with their views……Nothing should be silenced and especiely not our music…..Yah! Boss………Blessings
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:55 amBorn In The U.S.A. Lyrics
by Bruce Springsteen
Born down in a dead man’s town
The first kick I took was when I hit the ground
You end up like a dog that’s been beat too much
‘Til you spend half your life just covering up
[chorus:]
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
I got in a little hometown jam
And so they put a rifle in my hands
Sent me off to Vietnam
To go and kill the yellow man
[chorus]
Come back home to the refinery
Hiring man says “Son if it was up to me”
I go down to see the V.A. man
He said “Son don’t you understand”
[chorus]
I had a buddy at Khe Sahn
Fighting off the Viet Cong
They’re still there, he’s all gone
He had a little girl in Saigon
I got a picture of him in her arms
Down in the shadow of the penitentiary
Out by the gas fires of the refinery
I’m ten years down the road
Nowhere to run, ain’t got nowhere to go
I’m a long gone Daddy in the U.S.A.
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:56 amBorn in the U.S.A.
I’m a cool rocking Daddy in the U.S.A.
Born in the U.S.A.
The Boss Rocks
More people should listen to there heart like he does.
And have the tenacity to voice there real feelings.
Rock on Mr Springsteen and Thank You on behalf of those like me who speak but are
ignored or never heard at all.
You have always been an inspiration to me.
Thank You from the depths of my heart and soul
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:56 am“Soledad is a woman.
Comment by unbelievable”
Oops.
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:57 amSo he just called O’brien an idiot to his face? Thats awesome.
Comment by squegeeboo
She didn’t even seem aware of it, because she’s an idiot and a tool.
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:57 amTranscript has a bug in it: the last statement was made by Bruce, not O’Brien.
June 23rd, 2006 at 10:59 am“Present company included….”
Genius.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:00 amOops.
Comment by squegeeboo — June 23, 2006 @ 10:57 am
But, you’re right – he did. I was impressed. Because, she is.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:00 amBruce has more class in his little finger than all the repugnant bloviating blowhards on all the major television networks put together.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:02 amFascism targets artists and free expression . Hate the music Boss, love the free expresion
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:03 am“Bruce has more class in his little finger than all the repugnant bloviating blowhards on all the major television networks put together. ”
He called his interviewer an idiot on nation television, dosn’t sound like to much class to me.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:04 amThey don’t tell right wing country singers to shut up, do they?
Comment by Albert — June 23, 2006 @ 10:54 am
there ya go! right on…
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:08 amdosn’t sound like to much class to me.
Comment by squegeeboo
Oh stop, Squeegy, my sides are splitting from laughing. Oh my god, that was a good one. Coming from you, my dear, that statement means absolutely nothing. :-D
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:09 amI’ve been a fan of Bruce since 1984. He has a brain and speaks his mind unlike the cookie cutter manufactured cream puffs on American Idol. He and the Dixie Chicks as well as Neil Young, Steve Earle, Pink and Green Day are speaking the truth and the people are listening. But unfortunately, the media doesn’t listen, not even Soledad who I used to like. I guess that’s why the world depends on blogs.
Bruce should be on Jon Stewart’s program or on Keith Olbermann’s. That would really kick ass.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:11 am“Coming from you, my dear, that statement means absolutely nothing. :-D”
I’ve never claimed to have class, and odds are I never will. :)
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:12 amThis is the second time I’ve seen O’Brien parroting right wing talking points. The first was when Zarqawi was killed and Nick Berg’s father let the truth fly right back at her!
If she has an original thought in her head, I would like to hear it.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:13 amSince when does Anne discuss politics?
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 amPeople think that skinny skank running around wanting to poison and kill people is politics?
AT least Bruce has some talent, it takes zero talent to be a hateful propagandist, I mean look at Hitler then look at Anne, the same wild arm waving, the spittle, the false christian cloqking, the angry hatred of freedom [liberty] the deceptive eyes, the drug abuse, and that tiny little mustache Anne has all remind he exactly of Hitler in drag.
Only the truth tellers get swift boated, ….Springsteen, The dixie chicks and all others who speek out against this administration……Time to promote the other side, go out and buy their music, I have…….Blessings
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:14 amthis is the best:
O’BRIEN:…you came out at one point and said…the country would be better off if George Bush were replaced as President…
SPRINGSTEEN: Well that’s called common sense. I don’t even see that as politics at this point…
yep.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:15 amI’ve never claimed to have class, and odds are I never will. :)
Comment by squegeeboo
You could take a night course…
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:17 am“You could take a night course…
Comment by Zookeeper”
Maybe in a few years, but I’ve done enough of the work/school thing for now, gotta say it’s very nice to just have work.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 amHe called his interviewer an idiot on nation television, dosn’t sound like to much class to me.
Comment by squegeeboo
—–
You’re right. That’s above and beyond class. That is truth.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:21 amJust fixed the transcript. Thanks for the input!
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:22 amOMFG, she must have been asleep when he said that. LOL, what a stupid bitch. That is just too funny.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:24 amMaybe in a few years, but I’ve done enough of the work/school thing for now, gotta say it’s very nice to just have work.
Comment by squegeeboo
So…no class for a few more years….
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:25 am*banging head on desk*
Oh, if only we could get someone in the White House that Hollywood would like and respect, because that’s what’s really important is if they like you. Clinton was adored by them and look where that got us.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:26 amI had originally had high hopes for Soladad.
She has turned out to be a vacuous tool. I’m happy Bruce called her an idiot.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:26 amMaybe in a few years, but I’ve done enough of the work/school thing for now, gotta say it’s very nice to just have work.
Comment by squegeeboo — June 23, 2006 @ 11:21 am
Does this mean you’ve grad-ye-ate-ted?
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:26 am“Bruce has more class in his little finger than all the repugnant bloviating blowhards on all the major television networks put together. â€
He called his interviewer an idiot on nation television, dosn’t sound like to much class to me.
Springsteen was clearly referring to himself with that comment, in the self-deprecating manner he’s displayed for thirty-five years.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:26 amHe called his interviewer an idiot on nation television, dosn’t sound like to much class to me.
Comment by squegeeboo — June 23, 2006 @ 11:04 am
Squegeeboo reminds me of on of those Hermenutics looking for meaning that dpesn’t exist;
O’BRIEN: There is a whole school of thought, as you well know, that says that musicians – I mean you see it with the Dixie Chicks – you know, go play your music and stop.
[So Boo where is this school of thought? that says, but know one knows about, except pundits apparently, that creates laws of who can discuss politics.]
SPRINGSTEEN: Well, if you turn it on, present company included, the idiots rambling on on cable television on any given night of the week, and you’re saying that musicians shouldn’t speak up? It’s insane. It’s funny.
[Hes talking about the this 'School of thought' O' Brien brings up as being 'Iditotic']
The ’school of thought’, the pundit media, that tries to create polticial rules is Idiotic and funny boo. Just like your posts.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:28 amTo reiterate what Springsteen said, it simply is common sense that Bush should be replaced as president, as well as Cheney as V.P. For Ms. O’Brien to question whether Springsteen can and should speak out, on anything, is beyond absurd. I only wished Springsteen would have asked O’Brien where it says in the U.S. Constitution that a musician is not allowed to voice his or her opinions on any subject if he or she desires to do so. That same question should also be directed at Coulter. But the problem that would occur there is that no intelligent reply would ever be forthcomiong.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:29 amsadly, I must say, we have become two nations within a nation.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:31 amSpringsteen was clearly referring to himself with that comment…
Comment by Scott — June 23, 2006 @ 11:26 am
yes, but i understood it as he was including himself…
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:31 amstill, she just giggled…
This weekend my right wing Kool-Aid drinking Limbaugh loving brother in law was over. He seemed to be pretty pleased to say that the Dixie Chicks were having to cancel shows. He made it sound like the whole tour was canceled when a few dates have been dropped. Anyhow it got down to this. He said that you can’t expect to bad mouth the United States and not expect to be hurt economically as a result. We had already established that they, Natalie actually, only discussed her disgust with GWB. So When he mentioned bad mouthing the United States I looked him in the eye and said George Bush is not America, the constitution is America. I got this quizzical Spock does not compute look from him that lasted what seemed like an eternity. He then repeated the same statement about bad mouthing America. So regurgitating talking points without thinking is an affliction shared by way too many people. At this point I thought it better not to bring up Bush, Delay, Karen Hughes, Hannity. Limbaugh and others criticizing Clinton during Bosnia and when he was bombing Iraq.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:33 am“So…no class for a few more years….
*banging head on desk*”
As you should for that one.
“Does this mean you’ve grad-ye-ate-ted?”
Yup
“Idiotic and funny boo. Just like your posts.”
Always glad to entertain.
“The ’school of thought’, the pundit media, that tries to create polticial rules is Idiotic and funny”
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:34 amThe school of thought is insane/funny, but the idiot comment was cleary about the commentators themselves,.
Yes. Remember Laura Ingraham with he “Shut-up and Sing” book? The Coulter Republicans don’t say that to Charlie Daniels or Lee Greenwood or Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Ben Stein or Ron Silva or Bim-Bo Derek.
Nope, like good authoritarians, they just want to silence dissent from their views.
-GSD
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:36 amThey ( the White House Cabal) just never give up do they. “As a musician do you think you should be speaking out” or some such from OBrien. Do you believe the idiocy of this? It is freaking ridiculous. As if being a musician takes away Springsteen’s American citizenship. They just try to keep framing our minds don’t they…..nothing but contempt for Americans from the good old Bush Crime family….which includes the MSM.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:37 amThis is still a free country and if Bruce wants to speak out against the Bush administration, he can do so. If most of the public wants to stop buying his albums, we can do that too. I love hearing how the left thinks Bush is taking away freedoms right and left. Things aren’t bad as you all seem to think they are.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:37 amoh my god, a musician taking a political stand?!?! what ever shall we do? thats never happened before! oh wait.
Its imbecilic to say that a musician shouldn’t be political. A lot of music is political (the aforementioned Born in the USA, American Woman – another song the right thinks is so patriotic – wrong!, fortunate son – which describes the entire Bush admin). Its obscene that there is now a “school of thought…that you should just shut up and sing” No, Soledad, THERE IS NOT such a school of thought, except amongst right wing blowhards who cannot stand to see someone speak against them that the media will pay attention to.
Be it the Dixie Chicks, Bruce Springsteen, Neil Young, or whoever, they have the right to say what they will. Even when Rush Limbaugh disagrees.
Right wingers-no sense of creativity, no sense of humor.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:38 amall this fuss over a has been rock singer. That’s why i don’t listen to these left “wingsingers” anymore. You want to write music and use lyrics to portray a POV fine but keep your politics to yourself.
always another excuse to moonbat out over Ann Coulter. Well guess what if I had my druthers I would much rather have Coulter dicating and defining policy thet protects America over Springsteen.
Funny in a liberal sort of way still no mention here of the arrests in Florida yesterday of terrorists. I guess Buce will keep us safe.
analoagous to the 60’s bumper sticker ” If you don’t like cops the next time you are in trouble call a hippy”
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:38 amwell I have updated it to this:
“If you don’t like the Bush administration the next time we are attacked by terrorists call the NY Times or better yet John Kerry” I realize that it is a little long for a bumper sticker but I make my point.
ready moonbats, attack
Finally!!! Someone called that Republican sock puppet what she is!
I am not a fan of his music (I admire the content, but the presentation is what bothers me), but he is so right! Talking about getting rid of the Bush Junta isn’t politics, it’s common sense!
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:38 amSPRINGSTEEN: Well, if you turn it on, present company included, the idiots rambling on on cable television on any given night of the week, and you’re saying that musicians shouldn’t speak up? It’s insane. It’s funny.
I think “present company included” refers to cable television infotainment shows, like CNN and, even more so, Faux News. I don’t think he was refering to Soledad, who hosts more of a news show than Bill O’Lielly but that’s not so say she doesn’t have issues with balance or the truth or knowledge.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:42 amAs an american you are free to voice any opinion you like. I think it’s great that Springsteen took the talking heads to task.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 amI wonder when or if Ms. O’brien is going to have Toby Keith on and tell him to stop singing his “I love Bush and everything he does” songs. when he came to Mosul last year you would be surprised how many of us Soldiers DID NOT go to his concert. Hell we have a patrol in 2 hours for the next 3 days we don’t wanna hear how much you love the Bush Ministry.
So Soledad should get Toby on and tell him he needs to tone it down, and stop making money off of something you could or would NEVER be………………A Soldier.
RIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 Inf
KIA 3 Feb 05
Mosul Iraq
Or as Tony Snow and the rest of the Reppuetcans would say
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:44 am#1462
Funny in a liberal sort of way still no mention here of the arrests in Florida yesterday of terrorists. I guess Buce will keep us safe.
This is because most of them refuse to live in the real world where there are threats out there. Most of them have forgotten what happened to us on 9/11 and now consider the United States the “real terrorists”. How warped is that?
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:45 amYa know, if someone tells me they are from this ‘whole school of thought’ that is ‘well known’ be they pundit, lawyer, musician or politician, they are full of crap.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_major_codes
Basically the pundits are playing word games…
Goldstein is a Hermenuetic writer, such is why the convoluted meaning, if there is any whatsoever, ‘encoded’, in his ‘writing’
Smoke and Mirrors Folks.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:45 amI don’t know… when you read the transcript it all sounds ok, but watching the clip and seeing Springsteen laughing through much of it diminishes the power of his words. Why was he laughing? What was funny about the questions she was asking him? They were idiotic and scary and he should have asked her “what country are you living in where you think there is an actual ’school of thought’ that musicians should not be political? Am I not an American? Don’t I have the right and the obligation to speak out? Aren’t those who try and silence dissenters totally un-American? What is wrong with you Soledad O’Brien?”
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 amCongrats SpongeBob on graduating college! And welcome to the Real World…
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:46 amFunny in a liberal sort of way still no mention here of the arrests in Florida yesterday of terrorists.
Gee In Bush Country? Floridian Terrorists? Go figger!
I guess Ol Jeb the governor isn’t keeping you safe then?
Did Jeb find the terrorists? Did George? Did Dick Cheney?
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:51 amNo no and no.
notice the way Bruce’s laughter helps to underscore the absurdity of conservative talking points? that’s the good tact to take. Using the “common sense” rhetoric, Bruce just decimates the pretensions. That’s the power of the plain-spoken artist who knows what he’s talking about. Watch out when that happens because then the “average american” might just get it. In fact, that’s part of opposition to entertainers who have the nerve to exercise their First Amendment rights; they’re perceived as a THREAT or reather COMPETITION to the official propagandists. Art is often subversive by its very nature, and art should engage all levels of life: to leave out politics is to demean art’s prerogative. Good stuff. Bruce S, John Cougar M., Willie Nelson, Neil Young, . . . it’s good that these mainstream classics of rocknroll and more recent numbers like Madonna, Dixie Chicks and Kanye West are speaking up. Time to make RAB: Rockers Against Bush or something.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:51 amOr as Tony Snow and the rest of the Reppuetcans would say
#1462
Comment by R U Serious — June 23, 2006 @ 11:44 am
Bush Ministry – I love it…
Sorry you’re over there. They don’t even seem to listen to what the American people want anymore. I saw a portion of an interview with Dick Cheney on CNN by accident. Cheney said that they do not pay attention to the polls. To me that says “We don’t care what you little people think, we’re doing what we think is best.” Guess he forgets that part about him being a public servant that is by the people and for the people, huh?
Stay safe.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:51 amUnbelievable
Thanks, maybe now that I’m in the ‘real world’ I’ll finally have some of these experiences you guys seem to think i need to make my heart grow and my party membership to change.
So if singers being political is bad, what about this: http://www.break.com/index/lazyramadi.html
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:53 amJigsaw, please don’t forget PearlJam in that list. There song World Wide Suicide is a great listen.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:54 amTo Moonbat Patrol and Grandpa Seth
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:56 amWhy do we HAVE to mention the arrests of the terrorists (thank God!) in Florida on this thread which is about freedom of speech? Another case of trying to limit all of us to what we SHOULD say, i.e. “ain’t Bush great?”.
So in a Republican state sort of way they allowed the terrorists to enter florida, yet it’s the liberal medias [Myth] fault that they didn’t report the terrorists?
And I suppose the liberal media [Myth] also forget to issue the news story of when they arrived in Florida and forgot to warn the Republicans!
The durn media forgot to tell Jeb that terrorists were in town?
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:58 amTalk about grasping at proverbial straws….
ROFL
squeegee, I don’t have time for the whole thing but that was funny.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:58 am“So…no class for a few more years….
*banging head on desk*â€
As you should for that one.
Comment by squegeeboo
I know. ;)
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:00 pmCongrats on the graduation, Squeegy!
I would much rather have Coulter dicating and defining policy thet protects America over Springsteen.
Why would you, as a free person, allow a half ass lawyer or a musician dictate to you, a free person, defining policy?
Do you really think Anne dictates and defines policy?
LMAO this is too funny, you actually believe what Anne Coulter says? You would allow a another person, because of a book or a song, Dictate to you?
Thats just Sad.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:01 pmI guess the trolls always miss the point when it comes to freedom of speech and music. The lines between the two have been blurred for over a century. Listen to “This Land is Your Land,” “Subterreanean Homesick Blues,” “War,” “What’s Going On,” “You Haven’t Done Nothing,” etc.
Politically charged protest songs will continue as long as there is a need and we have a huge need now. Oh, and Soledad should listen to “Dirty Laundry” by Mr. Don Henley of Texas. The Eagle guy could teach her a few things about asking better questions.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:03 pm“Funny in a liberal sort of way still no mention here of the arrests in Florida yesterday of terrorists. I guess Buce will keep us safe. This is because most of them refuse to live in the real world where there are threats out there. Most of them have forgotten what happened to us on 9/11 and now consider the United States the “real terroristsâ€. How warped is that?”
Everyone knows there are threats out there. Your comment is a non sequitur. Bruce Springsteen was asserting his right to take a political stand–just like Jessica Simpson, Britney Spears, Nick Lachey and others who support the President have done.
There is an odd idea out there that criticizing the President means you support terrorism.
Many of us (I can’t speak for Bruce of course) who are angry that the President launched a war, based on lies, against a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 would LOVE to see a real war against the people who attacked us on 9/11, I lived in NYC then and believe me I have not forgotten what happened. What frustrates me is that, nearly five years later, we have not gotten Bin Laden and we tok our eye off the ball by sending troops and $ to Iraq, instead of focusing on Bin Laden and his followers. We’re not living in the real world? I think those who wanted to invade Iraq after a band of non-Iraqis led by non-Iraqi Osama Bin Laden and based in Pakistan and Afghanistan are the ones not living in the real world.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:04 pmthe entertainment world for the right wing must be getting smaller and smaller. Not even all country music is right wing. I am guessing that eventually they won’t watch TV, go to movies, or buy albums.
Maybe Fox should branch out and start a channel or two devoted to right wing entertainment, they can show the same 6 music vidoes over and over again.
Umm lets see the arrest of the guys in Florida was all over NBC nightly news, last night and this morning, so I am unsure what point you are trying to make.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:05 pmsorry: “I think those who wanted to invade Iraq after a band of non-Iraqis led by non-Iraqi Osama Bin Laden and based in Pakistan and Afghanistan are the ones not living in the real world.” should have been “I think those who wanted to invade Iraq after a band of non-Iraqis led by non-Iraqi Osama Bin Laden and based in Pakistan and Afghanistan ATTACKED US are the ones not living in the real world. “
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:06 pmRIP
SGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 Inf
KIA 3 Feb 05
Mosul Iraq
Or as Tony Snow and the rest of the Reppuetcans would say
#1462
Comment by R U Serious
I’m so sorry.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:06 pmDon’t forget funded by Saudi Money Eblair.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:06 pmWait a bit until the Florida terrorists pan out to nothing …as usual. Sounds like timely govt. provacatuers to me.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:07 pm#18He called his interviewer an idiot on nation television, dosn’t sound like to much class to me.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:08 pmComment by squegeeboo
Well, when people are dying, is the least you have to concern with. He should have said f**ing murderers.
# 63, 70–well said PLC and Krazny
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:08 pmThanks, maybe now that I’m in the ‘real world’ I’ll finally have some of these experiences you guys seem to think i need to make my heart grow and my party membership to change
TV is not an experience. Its an Illusion.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:09 pmChange your membership? Didn’t your Lord tell you to be soverign?
Congrats on Graduation Squeegee, I will raise a beer too you tonight.
=)
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:09 pmAmen Boss!!!! He speaks the truth and Coulter…well who knows what the hell that four legged female dog speaks.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:12 pmAppreciation goes out to Stephen R. Sherman.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:17 pmpolitics = POV
What a moron.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:19 pmDon’t forget – Tim Mcgraw is progresive (for those of you who have been ling in outer space he is a country singer)
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:21 pmThe right doesn’t seem to concerned about Toby Keith keeping his POV to himself.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmWrong, we know that Osama bin Laden attacked the US on 9/11, not Iraq. We also know that George W. Bush “just doesn’t think about him that much”
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:22 pmSpudge don’t disillusion the trolls, they have a very carefully crafted reality. If they don’t believe anymore, then they might have to start thinking.
think about things like. If we knew where the WMD’s were, according to Rumsfeld, why were those sights not under survelliance to prevent the movement of those weapons out of the country?
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:26 pmWhere has anyone said that musician do not have the RIGHT to speak out against the war in Iraq? Does anyone here think that those who tell musicians like Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks that they need to shut up don’t have the RIGHT to do so?
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:27 pmDon’t forget – Tim Mcgraw is progresive (for those of you who have been ling in outer space he is a country singer)
Comment by Jules — June 23, 2006 @ 12:21 pm
Yeah, but he’ll always be Tug McGraw’s son to this lifelong Mets fan.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:28 pmI believe Ann Coulter was actually quoted as saying Musicians should shut up and play music, I know someone did, I remember the quote.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:29 pmDoes anyone here think that those who tell musicians like Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks that they need to shut up don’t have the RIGHT to do so?
Comment by Tracy — June 23, 2006 @ 12:27 pm
Yes
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:30 pmGo Boss Go,
I’m not rabid over his music, but he’s good with me.
World Wide Suicide, new song by Pearl Jam is a great listen, I learned how to play it even. I will introduce it to my drummer buddy, he’s busy a lot.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:31 pmTruth,
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:33 pmmy wife and I are going to go see Pealjam on July 13th up in Santa Barbara, should a freaking great show. This will be the third time I have seen them in concert.
This concept is frightening on so many levels: “… some people gave you a lot of flack for being a musician who took a political stand.”
1. The idea behind artistic expression is to express. Obvioiusly, this concept is foreign to those whose talents are meager that they’re limited to rendering yet another, me-too song about hard livin, hard drinkin, hard luvin, and truck drivin.
2. Where in the Constitution are musicians exempt from freedom of expression?
3. Is the statement valid if we substitute “journalists” or novelists, bricklayers, bankers or physicians? Obviously, some feel it’s true for actors, Hollywood directors, Democratic ex-Presidents, and university professors, but I don’t see those mentioned in the Constitution either.
4. Often, it’s the artists who are on the leading edge of social change
I could go on, but anyone who thinks this way is just an idiot.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:35 pmWhere has anyone said that musician do not have the RIGHT to speak out against the war in Iraq? Does anyone here think that those who tell musicians like Springsteen and the Dixie Chicks that they need to shut up don’t have the RIGHT to do so?
Comment by Tracy — June 23, 2006 @ 12:27 pm
Sure, dickweeds like Bill O’Reilly certainly have the right to say what they want, except that they are lying about why they are telling singers to shut up. They claim that it hurts the morale of our troops, as if getting shot at and blown up every day is making them happy. They claim that it undermines our Commander-in-Chief, as if his own actions don’t already undermine him. No, Tracy, the only reason idiots like O’Reilly (and, objectively speaking, he is an idiot) tell singers that they “need to shut up” is because he doesn’t like what they’re saying. But if he truly believed in free speech, he would just tell them that he disagrees. And if one of them is on your TV saying things you don’t like, the answer isn’t to tell them to STFU. The answer is to change the channel or turn it off. That’s what I do when O’Reilly or Hannity makes me want to wretch. I suggest the same for you.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:36 pmquoted as saying Musicians should shut up and play music, I know someone did, I remember the quote.
Comment by Krazny — June 23, 2006 @ 12:29 pm
i wondered that myself, krazny, so i googled it… without quotes, after 4 pages, found 9/10s of the hits were for frank zappa…
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:38 pmput it in quotes, quit looking after 2 pages – EVERYONE has said that evidently, one time or another! didn’t get to coulter though…
heh…
#94 Krazny, katy
Isn’t “Shut Up and Sing” the name of Laura Ingraham’s book? Could that be what you were thinking of?
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:44 pmIf this really is supposed to be a country that is by the people, for the people then anyone, ANYONE can speak their mind and express their views in any venue – including rock stars.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:45 pmthey can Jenna, and I can choose to listen or not depending on how I feel about it. But I think a musician has as much a right to express his/her opionion as a pundit on TV, or a blogger here.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:48 pmSorry if this has been posted already, but I don’t have the time to scan all posts. I whole heartedly support ANYBODY’s right to express their political views. However, unless a concert is advertised as a political event where the entertainer will be sharing his or her political views with the people attending the event, I would prefer the entertainer, left or right, stick to what I came to the event for, singing the songs I want to hear, telling the jokes I want to hear, etc. I think it unfair that I might have paid many $$ to listen to the entertainer do what they are supposed to be doing, but instead get a lesson in their political beliefs and feelings.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:49 pmMusicians have always had some degree of political say. Hell the Ratpack was reasonably political when you look back on it. Its just that the rightwing despises the fact that the good guys have a nasty habit of not agreeing with them.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 pmShould we take up a fund, so Squeegee can go to night class?
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:50 pmRick,
most entertainers don’t hide thier personal beliefs. If you don’t like what someone has to say don’t go. they have a right to say what they believe. The Dixie Chicks did, and they have paid a price for it, But they also don’t regret saying. Taking a stand is thier right.
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pmDid anyone note that sponge bob seemed to enjoy SPringsteen calling O’Brien an idiot when he thought that is was Conan O’Brien, but once he learned it was conservative Soledad O’Brien, he chanegd his mind and thought it was classless? Can anyone say flip flop?
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:52 pm[...] The full transcript and video is available over at Think Progress. [...]
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:54 pm“… I would prefer the entertainer, left or right, stick to what I came to the event for, singing the songs I want to hear, telling the jokes I want to hear, etc. I think it unfair…”blah blah blah…
Comment by rickd — June 23, 2006 @ 12:49 pm
imagine that…
June 23rd, 2006 at 12:57 pmGee, I’ve always enjoyed hearing the story behind the songs. I like finding out what influenced the musician to write a particular song. I suppose our friend rickd would have hated listening to Irving Berlin talk about why he wrote “I’ll Be Home For Christmas” or George M. Cohen explain why he wrote “You’re a Grand Old Flag”. If all you want is to hear the music, then stay home and listen to the CDs. And besides, why should the concert be about what you want?
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 pmCnn, msnbc, nbc, cbs, headline, fox . . . . etc. . . . . hack, cough, gag, spit.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:02 pmI went to Lalapalooza in 1992, lots of political statements there, I agreed with every one of them. The security became very anxious when Soundgarden played cop killer.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:05 pmClassless things can still be funny, to us low-brows at least hehe.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:05 pmfor Truch, nice when I saw Soundgarden in 95 they didn’t play cop killer, but damn that must have been fun. SoundGarden has always been one of my favorite bands.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:07 pmGosh well if the Boss is against it, it must be wrong! Hey Bruce: Shut up and sing! Ann didn’t say they (the Jersey witches) could not express an opinion, she just said they should also expect and are not above criticism from people whom disagree with their moon batty claims.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:08 pmWere not talking about the Jersey Girls RRS, thanks for running off topic so poorly. I see you are one for limiting free speach, how very naziash of you.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:11 pmI think it unfair that I might have paid many $$ to listen to the entertainer do what they are supposed to be doing
There is a difference between an entertainer and an artist. An entertainer is more likely to be there to dance and sing and look happy for you whereas an artist creates material that expresses their beliefs which could potentially spill over into or from the political arena of the day. If you don’t want to hear an artist’s ideas, then you should think twice before paying to go see them.
Of course, if one only stood there on a soapbox and preached their beliefs for an hour or two without playing songs (as opposed to speaking from the heart, in between songs, about something they feel is deeply important), you might have a point.
Otherwise, you may want to choose your “entertainment” a little more wisely…
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:12 pmKrazny, Zoo
thanks for the congrats.
I’ll also be raising a beer tonight, but then again, it is a day that ends in y.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:19 pmAnd it’s always 5 o’clock somewhere…Enjoy!
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:25 pm#114 – Cool, I always wondered how Spudge_Boy did that indent thing.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:35 pmSingers don’t expressing thoughts?
I guess that Joan Baez, Bob Dylan and a good couple others would be dissappointed. They’re were not singing at all the past 30 years. Or the Rolling Stones (Fade to black (?)) or many others.
The National Anthem is a song filled with politics. Must the music players and singers in the matches show, wave a hand and leave?
And, btw, if you go to a concert without knowing the group/s, you have what you were looking for.
Please.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:36 pm#111 – hey rrs! “shut up and sing”?
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:39 pmdidn’t you take an oath to uphold the constitution which guarantees the right to free speech when you started playing soldier? guess you had your fingers crossed behind your back eh? tosser.
#49, moonbat patrol, then you agree with Ann’s policy of “Invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them all to Christianity”?
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:44 pmI guess the trolls always miss the point when it comes to freedom of speech and music. The lines between the two have been blurred for over a century. Listen to “This Land is Your Land,†“Subterreanean Homesick Blues,†“War,†“What’s Going On,†“You Haven’t Done Nothing,†etc.
Politically charged protest songs will continue as long as there is a need and we have a huge need now. Oh, and Soledad should listen to “Dirty Laundry†by Mr. Don Henley of Texas. The Eagle guy could teach her a few things about asking better questions.
Comment by JIMBO
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:47 pm=========================
And there’s “Zombies”by the Cranberries–a song about terrorism in Northern Ireland.
and then there’s blowing up the new york times, poisoning a few supreme court judges, jane. links rechts links rechts….
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:48 pmBruce Springsteen strikes me as an idiot savant – brilliant in some narrow field, while slow / retarded in everything else. He speaks and behaves with the maturity / development of a 12 year old, yet he has composed some of the greatest lyrics / melodies / songs this country has ever produced.
His managers’ best moves were to keep Bruce OUT OF TV and magazine interviews, but liberals, desparate for an “influential” spokesperson, keep recruiting individuals that are popular in their respective industry (music, movies, TV, etc.), yet uninformed / uneducated about politics / government policies, so that they can parrot liberal talking points, in the hopes of recruiting others that libs couldn’t reach before.
He is probably wealthy enough not to care about the effects of his political statements, but he WILL lose fans, as the Dixie Chicks did. Funny how liberal musicians and Hollywood celebs sulk when they are no longer revered as they once were.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:50 pm#122 – jason – did you say something? nope, just projecting your own inadequacies onto someone else. pissant
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:54 pmI find it ironic that these people who think artists should shut up and play and keep their politics to themselves are here expressing their politics. Should these same people shut up and collect the garbage, or shut up and post to the ledgers? Or shut up and deliver the mail? After all their job is to collect garbage, do accounting, deliver the mail, build a house etc… not to express any political beliefs.
The only reason this is an issue now is because there is a rabid cult of personality surrounding George Bush. I for one think that is funny as he has never had a personality in his life, what we see is a manufactured image that is not at all in keeping with who he truly is. Anyhow the shut up and sing crowd did not tell Bruce or Neil Young to shut up and sing back in the 1980’s. Heck they loved it when Young professed his love of Reagan (it was a joke people, he was playing a character, remember he had Old Ways a C&W album out at the time. H e quickly reverted to normalcy though). The shut up and sing crowd has no problem when the entertainer professes love of the dear leader. They only get a kink in their panties when the dear leader is questioned.
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:54 pmJason
So basically you are against this whole “Freedom of speech” thing then?
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:55 pmimagine that…
Comment by katy
*snort*
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:58 pm#122 – jealousofjeff – note that I didn’t state that he shouldn’t voice his opinion, just stated that he isn’t a credible pundant, and that he will lose sales as a result of his statements. Springsteen can talk all he wants, I just won’t buy what he says nor what he sells.
Aside from a personal attack on me, do you have any direct arguements against my statements?
June 23rd, 2006 at 1:59 pmbut liberals, desparate for an “influential†spokesperson, keep recruiting individuals
We aren’t and don’t need to recruit anyone, they’re doing it of their own volition. It is the right who needs to recruit and pay individuals (often illegally) to spread their talking points.
You can’t be serious.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:01 pmYeah Jason and Toby Keith is just a wealth of intellect – not to mention ole lemon faced Coulter!!
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:02 pm#121 please explain how bruce is sulking? Any change to his fan base thus far has been purely his own doing. First after BITUSA he went low key and cut away about 60% of the band wagon hoppers, that was a delibrate move. Then he went solo and cut away a large bunch that only wants E-Street material. He brought back E-Street and sold millions of tickets and albums. Shed E-Street and went solo again. The guy can control his audience size with his own actions.
Also please explain how he has the development of a 12 year old?
Rememebr Bruce has been doing politics for nearly his entire career. He has been far more christian in his actions, than the president has. Remember he donates to charity constantly and has a genuine feel for real people. He does this without shouting look at me I’m a christian like the president continually does. Bruces actiosn speak far more than the presidents hollow words ever will.
BTW do you think two bit actors shoudl stick to acting? Or become politicians? I’m thinking, Reagan, Arnold, Sonny Bono, Gopher. How about athletes? Steve Largent? Tom Osborne? JC Watts? Jim Bunning? Should they shut up and do their thing and not bore us with their politics?
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:04 pmThis is because most of them refuse to live in the real world where there are threats out there. Most of them have forgotten what happened to us on 9/11 and now consider the United States the “real terroristsâ€. How warped is that?
Comment by Grandpa Seth — June 23, 2006 @ 11:45 am
WTF?? I am so sick and tired of this BS statement. They seem to forget that the terrorist attack (which could so be false flagging), happened on THEIR WATCH. They seem to ignore that fact that the freakin’ repukes have refused a bill my senators in Washington State brought forth – SCREEN EVERY CONTAINER BEFORE THEY GET TO OUR PORTS. The repukes said that WOULD COST TOO MUCH MONEY.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:04 pm#127 – Jon, certainly, many liberals come forward on issues of their own volition, but when Michael Jordon was recently pressed to come forward with his views, he simply stated that “Republicans buy Nikes too”. I am not saying that Bruce Springsteen doesn’t believe what he says, just that liberals are all too happy to USE witless pawns like Bruce, who isn’t as, let’s say wise, as Michael Jordon, to refuse such obvious recruitment.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:06 pmOK, this is a self-feeding machine–entertainers get told to shut up when they express a political view, but the mainstream media won’t put anybody who makes a career out of studying policy and politics from a progressive position (i.e., those “evil” college professors and other intellectuals) or thinktank on their shows. In fact, the only people from the left that ever get invited on ARE entertainers, who are then slapped for not “knowing their place.” This is also a good strategy for marginalizing the left/progressive view because entertainers are easy to dismiss since they probably don’t have the educational/professional political background that right-wing pundits and commentators do.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:10 pmunsubstantiated statements made by jason pissant:
liberals …keep recruiting individuals..parrot liberal talking points
funny how liberal musicians…blah blah…
jason pissant assumes that bruce is recruited – thereby somehow benefitting from it…
jason pissant repeats his own talking points adding hypocrisy to his contribution and then tries to say he wasn’t dissing bruce’s opinion by comparing it to a talking point.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:11 pmhere’s another attack for you: liar and a pissant
As far as Springsteen goes – HE FILLS STADIUMS with his fans – PERIOD.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:12 pm#129 – Mark, don’t take my description of Bruce being an idoit savant as insult – just personal insight. I myself fall within the range of Autistic Spectral Disorders – Asperger Syndrome, and can recognize some of the symptoms. Bruces jarring speech patterns, simple sentence structure, non-cognizant point making, etc., all tell me that he is not very developed in those areas – it is NOT intended as an insult, just speaks to his credibility as a pundant on politics and government policy.
I WOULD listen intently, should he ever speaks about how he creates music, an area in which he IS brilliant.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:13 pmThank freedom individuals still have the right to express their opinions;or keep those opinions to themselves.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:15 pmMy desire is that the opinions advocating inclusion,compassion,and brother/sisterhood continue to make headway against those opinions advocating control(for our own good,many claim)elitism,and fear.
Jason
Springsteen is a political musician, has been for years. His music has clear political leanings, and always has had those leanings. That he chooses to stand on his principles rather then rake in the big profits is not a sign of stupidity, but a sign of integrity. Oh, but of course, the rightwing doesn’t actually know anything about that.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:15 pm#132 – Alyssa, that IS a good point. Can you please name a few of these great Progressive thinkers, who could / should step forward to make the Progressive arguements on various issues?
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:16 pmLook just above your post, the liberal right before you appears to be a soldier who served or is serving in iraq. Do you think he is not living in a world of real threats? I think you are living in a world of soundbites and he is living in a world of real threats. Chickenhawks who throw human lives around carelessly need to wake up or shut up.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:17 pmmaybe bruce will trick everyone into showing up for a political speech, and then spend time talking about music.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:17 pmHell Jason you just described Bush pretty well in your post.
here let me quote.
any thougths?
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:18 pm137 – Bruce Gorton, yes, you are correct. As long as Bruce is singing his opinions, he sells, but his inability to speak at a high school level KILLS any point he is trying to make. Again, he is free to say whatever he wants, but he hurts his cause and his sales with every spoken word.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:19 pmI am so sick and tired of the bullshit that artists should repress themselves and withhold their views about the world.
It is the artists calling and obligation to reveal their perceptions and insights and anyone that tells them not to is a bone-headed jackass that has no grasp of society or culture or history.
I wrote on this subject last month and called for artists to rise up.: Creativism And The Rise Of The Art Insurgency
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:20 pmbut he hurts his cause and his sales with every spoken word.
Now THAT comment made me laugh.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:21 pmFor you Jason – The Hitler vs. Coulter Quiz
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:22 pm#141 – Krazny – lol, touche ….
Bush knows that everything he says will be dissected and fired back at him, so he struggles to stay on well honed talking points or formulate answers on the fly that are equally bulletproof. In casual situations, he has shown great comedic wit and comradery with those he meets, so, fortunately, there is proof to the contrary.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:23 pmAt least he has the nads to make his comments in America. Gotta respect him for that
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:24 pmHe called his interviewer an idiot on nation television, dosn’t sound like to [sic] much class to me.
And you just called her a man. It’s very possible he too had a slip of the tongue and meant to say “present company EXcluded”. But she is an idiot, so he was just being honest if he intended it.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:26 pmFor you trolls-
Why is it wrong for an individual who believes strongly on a matter to use the platform that they have available to them?
You are right in that it may hurt sales of their albums, etc. but maybe not. I would never buy a Toby Keith CD even before I knew his politics. However, I have bought the last two Dixie Chicks CD’s. I never even listened to them prior to their taking a stand for their beliefs. So while those who choose to use their platform may suffer in the short term. They will probably more than make up for it in the long term.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:28 pm#144 & #145, madashell – I am currently reading GODLESS, by Ann Coulter, which states what I’ve long known about liberals from my time living in California. I thoroughly enjoy Ann pounding liberals after years of liberals calling men like me racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semetic, etc. Liberals shouldn’t use a tactic against Reps if they don’t want it fired back at them, and Ann does it like know one I know – she is my hero!
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:29 pmI have to disagree Jason, I know that according to people who have met him, he is suposed to be very funny, and likable. Having never met the man, I don’t of his private side. Publically, you can generally tell when he is using a script, and when he is confronted with the unexpected. Having never heard Springsteen speak in public, I don’t have a direct answer for you on his maturity, and I am not in a position to listen to audio clip.
I for one prefer springsteen as a spokesman to be honest. He is a trusted musicain, and is generally liked by the american public. Hasn’t the complaint been that liberals are “elitists”? then springsteen would be a good start to undermining that meme.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:30 pmAnd just so you all know, we’re proud the Dixie Chicks are from Texas. And glad that George W. Bush and Ann Coulter and Joe Lieberman are all from Connecticut.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:30 pmSpringsteen can talk all he wants, I just won’t buy what he says nor what he sells.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 1:59 pm
you don’t sound like the type who would EVER have bought Springsteen …
Michael Jordon…simply stated that “Republicans buy Nikes tooâ€
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 2:06 pm
and that was his CHOICE… a statement in itself…
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:31 pm#149 – Jules, I have absolutely NO problem with Bruce speaking his opinions, I address his credibility as a political pundant, and whether on not he might have been pressed into voicing his opinions, because liberals are all too happy to USE celebrity for their ends (as opposed to reasoned arguements).
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:32 pmSo, Jason…
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:33 pmYour main point seems to be that money should be one’s sole motivation on whether to speak up or hold your tongue (ie, (paraphrasing) “they’ll lose sales”) That is an interesting take, I suppose. Unless, of course, you believe in an afterlife. If that is the case, then you should realize that all the riches of this world will not travel well to the next. However, what you DO and the stands you take – will. What are your priorities? Will those priorities improve your lot in the next life?
Jason
There is a HUGE difference between Bruce Springsteen’s and Michael Jordan’s circumstances. Bruce Springsteen is not a Corporate icon and does not represent the International Corporations that Michael does. I am willing to put money on an assertion that Jordan, even though I am not familiar with the incident, was simply looking out for the Corporate interests involved (Nike, Haynes, Gatorade etc…). It is probably even written as a clause in some of his contracts to stay away from speaking out about political issues.
Bruce Springsteen doesn’t share that affliction and can therefore speak, as you say, from the heart.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:34 pmIn casual situations, he has shown great comedic wit and comradery with those he meets, so, fortunately, there is proof to the contrary.
“I think — tide turning — see, as I remember — I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of — it’s easy to see a tide turn — did I say those words?” —George W. Bush, asked if the tide was turning in Iraq, Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:35 pmGoerge grew up in Maine, what doesn’t is he speaking of?
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:37 pmLOL now I am the one with the speaking problem.
I meant to say what desert is he speaking of?
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:38 pmbecause liberals are all too happy to USE celebrity for their ends (as opposed to reasoned arguements).
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 2:32 pm
just curious about something, Mr. Hendler. Are you trying to imply from this statements that conservatives (such as O’Reilly – who is conservative, despite ehat he says – Hannity, Limbaugh, et al) only used reasoned arguments to make their points?
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:39 pm“some people like it and some people boo ya”
there you go.
It’s SO damned refreshing to hear it as simply as that. Democratic Leaders have become such delicate little flowers in the Harsh Glaze of scolding pundits. Issue after issue, polling shows most people agree with Dems and yet..
they run the Big Media Gauntlet with hats in hands, afraid they will be scolded by the Stern, self appointed Gatekeepers of our National Discourse.
“some people like it and some people boo ya”
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:40 pmlet the pundits boo, most of them wont. they still mostly pretend they are impartial observers. How I’d love to see some democratic leaders as confident and good natured as Mr. Springsteen.
Ann does it like know one I know – she is my hero!
Now THIS says it all. No need to acknowledge his presence anymore. He is nothing more than everything he said we would call him.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:40 pmWise like Michael Jordan? Wise or scared?
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:40 pm#155, Shannon,
I am not making any statements other than addressing Bruce’s credibility as a political pundant and speculating as to how he ended up in front of the TV camera talking instead of singing.
#156, Jon
Both Bruce Springsteen’s and Michael Jordon’s names are a “brand”, and that brand’s value is a function of their image / standing with the public, so both can be tarnished by unpopular statements or actions. While Michael may be under contract not to speak, both would and will be harmed by any unpopular statements.
#157 – madashell – lol
Yes, you can find many, many examples of Bush’s mangled statements – again and fortunately, there are many examples of the contrary.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:42 pmsingers should be seen and not heard.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:43 pm.
Besides… Michael Jordan is a dick. He pulled a Dick Cheney on some kids asking for his autograph.
I’m not sure how “wise” that was.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:44 pmI will let it be known – I wear it as a badge of honor being called a “filthy” liberal. Anything is better than being called a repuklican; or conservative (which is nothing more than an oxymoron these days).
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:44 pmJason currently reading godless and agreeing with Anne Coulter? Nuff said.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:46 pmI think he included Soledad in the “idiots” category. Springsteen is pretty astute on TV personalities. She is a dingbat.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:48 pmHe slams Coulter – she should be slammed daily.
He said Bush should have lost his job – so many of us tried to fire him.
He’s right when he says musicians shouldn’t have to keep quiet. Neither should movie stars, etc. While we still can do so, as citizens, we are obliged to speak out when we see the wrongs in our government.
BTW, Did Tobey Keith get questioned?
jasaon pissant to sum up so far:
#122 – shut up and sing and if you sound stupid your opinion is worthleas
#132 – shut up and play basketball
#151 – pissant supports ‘invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to christianity’
now I guess you really are bigoted and racist
so here we go again: liar, bigot, racist, pissant
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:49 pmWhat nonsense. Liberals can’t even pressure Joe Lieberman into not being a shill for Bush, how the hell are they going to pressure a rock god? As for celebrity vs. reasoned argument, yeah right. This is from the people who want to replace science with “intelligent design” and Exxon-Mobil powerpoint presentations and replace the Constitution with torture and domestic spying.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:49 pm#168 Mark,
He probably paid for the book, too! Now, if any liberals want to read these books without having to pay for them, then I suggest you check it out at your local library. Coulter won’t get a dime of your money, and if your local librarian gets an NSL letter, your records will make them think you’re a “loyal American.”
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:50 pmJason,
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:51 pmre: 164 – surely you made more of a statement than you lead on in this entry. re-read your previous entries again… please don’t back away from your previous points. I would be glad to debate those…
At least when singers, movie stars and Anne Coulter speak, we know what weight to put on their comments. Soledad O’Brien is in a position of trust as a news anchor, and most people trust what she says, whether they ought to or not.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:51 pmFor all you trolls 42 years of age or younger – now here’s your chance to go down to the local recruitment office and enlist, go to Iraq, and relieve the soldiers who have been there countless times (STOP ORDERED).
Army raises maximum age again for new recruits; “…the second time this year the Army has boosted the maximum age for new volunteers.” It’s hard to recruit for a war based on lies. 6/22
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:52 pmnaturally this also means that gospel singers should not be singing about the gospel…oooops i forgot.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:53 pm.
both would and will be harmed by any unpopular statements.
Current polls show that Bruce Springsteen’s statements are not “unpopular”.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:53 pmNo there are not. Not speaking extemporaneously. He has read a few speeches written by professional speechwriters — a very few, as they are afraid to let him out in public without a nanny, or even to appear before the 9/11 Commission under oath (and without Dick Cheney to tell him what to say — not that Cheney is much more sensible or eloquent). But left to his own devices he is almost guaranteed to execute a gaffe-riot.
June 23rd, 2006 at 2:55 pm#170 – jealousofjeff,
My statement about Jordon was to refute the false notion that celebrities are NOT recruited by liberal activists to speak on behalf of liberal beliefs. Jordon stated that he has been pressed and refused, to protect his brand. I have absolutely NO problem with them stating their beliefs, and will then address their statements / arguements and their ability to convince those to whom they are speaking.
Your name calling only makes you look the fool, not me.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:01 pmJason – GO SERVE YOUR MASTER AND ENLIST!
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:03 pmWhere exactly does it state that an attempt was made to recruit Jordan? by asking a question?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:05 pm#171 – martin,
You bring up an interesting discussion that I’ve been dying to have. Liberals bash the belief systems of Christians and Capitalists, while exulting the theories of scientists and communists. Yet, year after year, cosmologists recalculate the “age” of the universe, and can’t find 3/4 of it, although they “know” it’s there. Every year, evolutionists redraw man’s family tree with the discovery of yet another “missing link”. Every year, climatologists state that the Earth will suffer global warming, no cooling, no, wait, warming …..
So much of “science” is the belief in theories that are rewritten yearly. Now, I am both Christian and an engineer, and give creedance to both, but liberals unwavering faith in science that is constantly repostulated is far more foolish than man’s belief in God.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:11 pmplease, the loser is “reading” coulter, a “hero”…
it has to be ignored… no hope or redemption…
oh, and it’s P-U-N-D-I-T… look it up…
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:13 pm183. And he expects anyone to believe he is an engineer.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:14 pm#180 – madashell
My most effective means to serve this president is right here in this chatroom and not in the middle east. Were you willing to enlist when Clinton dove into Bosnia and Somolia?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:15 pmJason,
The military has recently attempted to “recruit” Autistic children for Combat Patrol in Iraq. Luckily, they rescinded his enlistment, but not after quite a fight put up by the parents.
Just a thought on the dangerous type of “recruitment” “your side” is capable of in which you may have a personal interest.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/05/12/national/main1613987.shtml
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:16 pm144 & #145, madashell – I am currently reading GODLESS, by Ann Coulter, which states what I’ve long known about liberals from my time living in California. I thoroughly enjoy Ann pounding liberals after years of liberals calling men like me racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semetic, etc. Liberals shouldn’t use a tactic against Reps if they don’t want it fired back at them, and Ann does it like know one I know – she is my hero!
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:16 pm========================
Each to his/her own.
ON PEACEKEEPING MISSIONS – ARE YOU SERIOUS – comparing the two? You sound more like a college repuklican than anything else. And you can’t even spell.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:18 pm#183 – katy,
Thanks for correcting my miss-use of the word pundit – my bad. Are you capable of admitting when you are wrong, or do you just like calling someone a loser when they make an error in spelling or grammer?
#184 – madashell – MSEE from Stanford, and you can look that up. Funny, didn’t see Bruce Springsteen there …
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:18 pm144 & #145, madashell – I am currently reading GODLESS, by Ann Coulter, which states what I’ve long known about liberals from my time living in California. I thoroughly enjoy Ann pounding liberals after years of liberals calling men like me racist, sexist, homophobic, anti-semetic, etc. Liberals shouldn’t use a tactic against Reps if they don’t want it fired back at them, and Ann does it like know one I know – she is my hero!
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
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Each to his/her own.
Comment by Steve53
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:20 pm================
was left out of my response.
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Jason – #131 (among other posts)
First of all, it’s spelled “desperate” not “desparate.”
And it’s not just the liberals who think The Decidinator is a complete moron. Bruce’s point of view is not liberal, it’s mainstream. Whenever The Decidinator needs a boost in his ratings, which is pretty consistently at this point – down to around 29% not too long ago, he discovers some new “victory” to promote. His ratings then inch up a few points because you can fool some of the people all of the time, and you can fool all of the people some of the time. But then, because you can’t fool all of the people all of the time (or even most of the people most of the time), the vast majority of Americans come back to their senses, realize that the war in Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 or The War on Terror (as if you can declare war on a method or idea) and that this administration is a bunch of loonytoons who have increased terrorism worldwide with their destructive policies. Look at the statistics Grandpa Seth, and you will find that terrorism has increase exponentially since the US invaded Iraq.
Incidentally, why is it “attacking America” to criticize Bush, but not to criticize, denigrate, and trash Clinton? Hm. Double standard? Hypocrisy? Or perhaps just lack of memory?
Glad to see that there are some here who remember Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, and other protest musicians. Anyone who is not aware that part of the function of art is to present a point of view is obviously ignorant about what art is meant to do. And as someone posted here, if you don’t know what the musicians you like stand for, or what their political opinions are, you aren’t much of a fan, so why are you going to their concerts?
There may be differing opinions concerning whether or not Bruce or the Dixie Chicks or Dylan are artists, but there are also differing opinions about Picasso too. Remember Guernica? Who better to highlight political thinking than musicians, writers, and artists of all kinds? Unlike the trolls who think only their side has the right to an opinion, I’m all for the rights of conservatives and rightwing radical artists to vent also.
And, finally – ANN COULTER as the person to decide policy? Holy cow! What in the world is anyone who thinks she is anything but a monster (sorry monsters – I know that gives you a bad name) doing on this site?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:21 pmthe word was” shutter”–it was left out again.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:21 pm#188 – madashell,
so you support going INTO Bosnia, undergoing civil war, but you want to pull out of Iraq, should it digress into civil war?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pm#183 jason pissant lies again
“liberals …exult the theories of …communists”
liberals have never supported the core communist tenet of communal land ownership and the abolition of private property
jason pissant: liar again
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:22 pmNo,the word was “shudder”.Sorry–It’s been a long day.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:23 pm193 – WE WEREN’T THERE FOR THREE YEARS! Clinton DID NOT STOP LOSS SOLDIERS. My NIECE HAS BEEN STOP ORDERED TWICE NOW
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:24 pm#194 – jealousofjeff,
Au contrair, liberal judges on the Supreme Court are trying to expand the power of eminant domain of local / state governments, pushing towards communal land ownership and abolition of private property.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:25 pm#191 – LeeAnn, again, thanks for catching / correcting a spelling / grammar error. Other than that, I have NO idea what you were trying to say.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:29 pm198. Of course you have no IDEA. Your pea brain can’t handle it.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:30 pm“present company included” is common self depracating humor. He was referring to himself.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:31 pm#
#194 – jealousofjeff,
Au contrair, liberal judges on the Supreme Court are trying to expand the power of eminant domain of local / state governments, pushing towards communal land ownership and abolition of private property.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 3:25 pm
Liberals are just as pissed off about this decision as conservatives. This is more about giving everything to the corporations then a “communal property”. Guess who benefits from this type of emminent domain ruling. It sure aint you and me.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:31 pm#196 – madashell, you still didn’t answer my question – did you enlist when Clinton dove into Bosnia or Somalia? You must have, since you are stating that these “peace keeping” missions are so much more moral than Bush’s War On Terror (WOT). Although, I don’t recall Bosnia or Somalia bombing the World Trade Center (WTC), our embassies, or naval vessals – hmmmmmmm….
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:32 pmSteve53, you’re not having any luck posting today, are you? ;-D
Jason, are there still any liberal judges left on the Supreme Court? :)
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:33 pmLike the Dixie Chicks.
One minute they are so loved by the right wing that they’re asked to sing the NATIONAL ANTHEM at the SUPER BOWL.
Next month, they dare to exercise their right to free speech, and walla.
They’re traitors.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:35 pm#201 – Krazny, on Kos, they came up with the term “progressive libertarian”, who are more focused on the evils of big business than big government. Sounds like libertarians of all stripes can agree on the emminent domain ruling …
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmJason – you continue to amaze me, someone who is supposedly educated as you say you are – can’t even get a grasp of history. IRAQ DID NOT BOMB THE WORLD TRADE CENTER. I am a pacifist asshole. And Bosnia and Somalia is BESIDE THE POINT. THere is a war (occupation) raging RIGHT NOW – WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR EXCUSE?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmAnd Mr. Hendler, you didn’t answer my question above:
because liberals are all too happy to USE celebrity for their ends (as opposed to reasoned arguements).
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 2:32 pm
Just curious about something, Mr. Hendler. Are you trying to imply from this statement that conservatives (such as O’Reilly – who is conservative, despite what he says – Hannity, Limbaugh, et al) only used reasoned arguments to make their points?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:35 pmlast time for you, jason – i’m gonna tell you this for your own good:
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:36 pmwe’ve all heard ALL of the reichwing talking points, and that’s all you’ve got, and they are all lies and ruses and excuses… you’d best move on away from here… you don’t want to learn and you’ve got nothing to teach… thanks anyway…
#204 – flavius
“walla”? Did you mean Voila? Now I don’t feel so bad about saying pundant for pundit, know for no and desparate for desperate ….
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:37 pm#201 – Krazny, on Kos, they came up with the term “progressive libertarianâ€,
not a term I have heard. I am also unsure without source material, why they would agree with the emminent domain ruling.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:38 pmjason pissant – supreme court interprets the law, they do not make the law. in no part of that ruling do they advocate the total abolition of private property. pissant.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:39 pm#206, madashell,
I agree with your admission “I am a pacifist asshole.” I love to hear libs demand all Republicans enlist for all wars during a Republican president, but won’t enlist themselves, even during a Democratic president. As I stated before, the best way to serve my president is to be right here in this chatroom.
#207, Wayne A. Schneider, I stated before that all those commentators are entertainors first, and political pundits second, so they say many things, reasoned or otherwise….
#208, katy, besides calling me names, how is it that you are teaching me? Other than calling Bush stupid, what are you teaching me? I am still waiting for you to debate policy with reasoned arguements, but you don’t. Oh, please, educate me …
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:44 pm#49 If you don’t like the Bush administration the next time we are attacked by terrorists call the NY Times or better yet John Kerry
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:45 pmComment by moonbat patrol
I am confused. Who was the president of US at 9/11?
#211, jealousofjeff,
True, SCOTUS can only interpret laws, but when liberals continue to use judicial activism to push the USA towards conscious-free communism and away from Christian Capitalism, I will call you on it.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:47 pm212 – Jason – I am not calling for ALL repuklicans to enlist. Just the chickenhawks. Like you.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:47 pmbut when liberals continue to use judicial activism to push the USA towards conscious-free communism and away from Christian Capitalism, I will call you on it.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 3:47 pm
examples?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:48 pm#215, madashell, after you …
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmliberals unwavering faith in science
I would initially attack this statement as being entirely too broad, but I will take it how it was intended and answer by saying that many “liberals” unwavering faith lies in, more specifically, the “Scientific Method” being that based on Proof. As more proof is found, the conclusions change.
I too, don’t think there is anything good to come from attacking people’s religious beliefs and I do get upset with my fellow progressives for doing so. I do; however, understand where the sentiment comes from because I feel they are more attacking the Self-Righteous and the Hypocrites who espouse being Christian, when their actions are nothing of the sort, than they are the actual religion. These are the people (Jerry Fallwell, Pat Roberson, Rick Santorum, Bush etc.) who are in fact giving Christianity a bad name. You will notice that when “they” attack “Christians” for their beliefs they are usually doing so by using examples of their own religion against them. I feel that “Liberals” may be a lot closer to what God intends for us to be by living and seeking the Truth and walking the walk whereas Conservatives are simply regurgitating someone else’s idea of what God is supposed to be for them.
God may be the “What”, but Science is the “How”. That’s how I personally feel which may be something close to how you see it, too.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:49 pmjason pissant is a redcoat – he would rather ’serve his president’ than defend the constitution. redcoat.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:50 pm#216, Krazny
Mass. Supreme Court allowing gay marriage and Emminant Domain case we discussed earlier ….
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:51 pm217. What part of the statement I am a pacifist don’t you get?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:52 pm#218 – Jon, EXCELLENT POST! See Katy, when progressives suppress gut level anger and speak intelligently, I can learn and agree. I too believe science just reveals divine wisdom ….
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:54 pmMr. Hendler,
Your use of the phrase “away from Christian Capitalism” seems to imply that you believe that the United States is supposed to be a Christian nation. Is this what you believe? Or did I misinterpret that, too?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:55 pmSo, conservatives are the ones who go to liberal speeches and shout them down??? Or wait, I think it’s the other way around… Coulter routinely gets shouted down and pies thrown at her by idiotic liberals (oops, that’s redundant). Conservatives are the ones for free speech, it’s obvious to intellectually honest people that liberals don’t like to let the other side speak.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:55 pm#221, madashell – you stated that you are a pacifist asshole (to state what you meant to say, you needed a comma between pacifist and asshole).
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:56 pmplease explain how the mass gay marriage is a judicial activism. By that statement would you also claim that judges striking down laws against interacial marriage was also judicial activism.
I have already told you that I an most liberals don’t agree with the emminent domain ruling. I especially don’t agree with the ruling, because the property was then given to companies to develop and place strip malls on, to increase tax revenue for the city in question. I am unsure how that would represent an attempt to make this country communist. In case you hadn’t noticed, The last democratic president we had didn’t try nationalize business, or try to make this country into a communist country.
Faith, well we all see faith differently. I don’t like the speaking out of the side of the mouth religion prefered by the right. Jesus told us to pray quitely, not in the streets. To accept and forgive men. To help the poor and need. I don’t agree with some of the posters here, I am not an athiest. But to claim that liberalism is godless, is a lie spread by the likes of ann coulter to divide this country.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:58 pm#223, Wayne A. Schnieder,
No, I just stated that I would call supreme courts out whenever they do something non-Christian and/or communist. Oh, by the way, the Mass. Supreme Court ruling allowing gay marriage undermines democratic processes, in my opinion. I don’t care whether gay marriage becomes legal or not, it just needs to happen through proper processes.
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:59 pmJason M. Hendler
You do realise that only 2 of the current Supreme Court justices were nominated by non-Republicans don’t you?
Samuel Alito Jnr (Bush Jnr) Republican
John Roberts Jnr (Bush Jnr) Republican
Stephen G Breyer (Clinton) Democrat
Ruth Bader Ginsberg (Clinton) Democrat
Clarence Thomas (Bush Snr) Republican
David H Souter (Bush Snr) Republican
Anthony Kennedy (Reagan) Republican
Antonin Scalia (Reagan) Republican
John Paul Stevens (Ford) Republican
So, just how does the Supreme court come out as being liberal again?
June 23rd, 2006 at 3:59 pmIt has become apparent to me that the trolls are not true conservatives, or for that matter true republicans. They are nothing other than BUSH LOYALISTS. That is all.
I have had intelligent debates with TRUE CONSERVATIVES.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:00 pmP.S. Springsteen is an idiot, not because he was against Bush, but because he was for Kerry. I don’t mind someone not voting for Bush, but to vote for one of the biggest losers politics has ever seen outside of the Kennedy family tree shows Bruce’s lack of mental prowess. The only thing the Boss has going for him is that he can play a guitar and has an IQ about a billion times higher than the Dixie “Patriots=Suckers” Chicks.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 pmMr. Hendler,
You said, “No, I just stated that I would call supreme courts out whenever they do something non-Christian and/or communist.”
Why do you feel their decisions have to be “Christian”?
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 pm# 182Liberals bash the belief systems of Christians and Capitalists, while exulting the theories of scientists and communists
Comment by Jason
Economy liberals or ideology liberals? Cause you know that economy liberals invented and reinforced Capitalism. What are those theories of scientists and communists? Please, tell us, Stanford boy.
theories that are rewritten yearly
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:02 pmThat is why they are theories, you know. And calculations are made all the time in order to adjust their models with what we perceive as reality.
#228, Bruce,
Yes, but these Republican presidents had to get there nominees approved through Democratically controlled Senates, hence the liberal slant… Ruth Bader Ginsberg has the hammer and scycle (sp?) tattooed on her butt ….
Oh, I said liberals on the Supreme Court, not that the Supreme Court was liberal …
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:03 pm[...] (UPDATE: Here’s a bit more. It’s The Boss on Coulter, and her view that musicians shouldn’t be allowed to have political ideas–as if she does. Thanks, Lanya Shapirio, for sending this along.) [...]
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmYou bring up an interesting discussion that I’ve been dying to have.
Becareful what you wish for…
Liberals bash the belief systems of Christians and Capitalists, while exulting the theories of scientists and communists.
You’re not off to a good start. Not all liberals do this. I however qualify as one who does both, so let’s move on…
Yet, year after year, cosmologists recalculate the “age†of the universe, and can’t find 3/4 of it, although they “know†it’s there.
The thing you’re missing is that each year we develop technology that is more and more accurate. It allows us to explore more and more of our universe – but so far – not the whole thing. It’s so big, it takes lifetimes to harvest information.
The thing about Science is that it is willing to revise itself to off the most current perspective we have. It’s willing to say, unlike the chapter Revelations in the Bible (Apocalypse in the Catholic version) that continues to refrence the four corners of the world when it is in fact not, when it finds new data to replace the old.
The reality is that science, each year, is actually getting a more and more accurate age of the universe – and not really just randomly pulling numbers out of a hat as you suggested. Science doesn’t work on speculation after all.
Every year, evolutionists redraw man’s family tree with the discovery of yet another “missing linkâ€.
This would be a more blatant error than your previous two. The family tree does not get redrawn every year with a new missing link. There are no missing links any longer. The tree just had gaps. When those gaps were discovered, they were added. Not the same as starting from scratching and redrawing the whole thing as you suggested.
Every year, climatologists state that the Earth will suffer global warming, no cooling, no, wait, warming …..
Again, this is incorrect. It was 30 years ago that scientists began to consider a cooling phase, as it was the next natural step in our natural cycles. Periods of warming generally last 1000 years, after which time, we go into a cooling cycle that leads into an Ice Age. At that time, they were not yet aware of the damage we were doing and had been doing to the planet and how that damage would impact the natural warming cycle from what was supposed to be ‘warm’ into what is becoming ‘hot’.
So much of “science†is the belief in theories that are rewritten yearly.
You are misinformed. Science is not that irradical nor that arbitrary. Nor is the word theory a guess. YOu should understand your opponent before you criticize it. You do not know what you are talking about.
Now, I am both Christian and an engineer, and give creedance to both, but liberals unwavering faith in science that is constantly repostulated is far more foolish than man’s belief in God.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 3:11 pm
No way. Religion has started more wars, killed more people in its name and ruined more lives with its hypocrisy than science ever has or ever will.
I suggest you learn about science before you accuse it of such things. Doesn’t matter that you’re an engineer – I used to work with a holy-roller zealot who told me that Science had never peoven anything, and then later showed me how great his new Priius was and why. The man was an architect.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmConservatives are the ones for free speech
Zones
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:06 pmthe hammer and scycle
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:08 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler
Why are you so afraid of working tools? Are you a lazy engineer? Or think that farmers are a danger for your economy system?
The only threat you should be worried about is capitalism´s first rule: accumulation of wealth.
Yeahhh Bruce!!!! Now run for Governor or something. I’d like to see an Ann Coulter vs. Bruce debate. Maybe AC will get so rattled she’d bolt from the stage yelling” f— you” to anyone who passes her.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:09 pmA tirade against Barack “Bush-lite” Obama. Only on SSA:Blog
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
Jason M. Hendler
They had to get nominated by Republicans. So basically, you don’t have an argument, you are just a wanker with a penchant for trying to spread bullshit. I don’t like people who try to bullshit me.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:10 pmSoledad has become something of a jerk don’t you think? She makes me sick, along with Monica Crowley on msnb. They neither one have any real journalistic qualities, only shills for the gop
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:10 pmHi Wayne,
Can you tell Jane thank you, and that I sent her a note just now?
Thanks!
Carry On!
…btw: liberals on the Supreme Court?
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:11 pmI’ll be laughing over that one for days! Jason is a terrible troll. He’s supposed to incite us, not make us laugh at his ridiculousness.
#23 , Juan C
To go back to the beginnings of capitalism, is to go back to a time when liberal merely meant believing in the freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, etc. Today, liberal is synonimous with socialist / communist. How liberals transformed from capitalists to communists is a long and torturous tale that can be learned in “The Book of Isms”, which defines all the major political philosophies in modern times.
As for the unwavering belief of liberals in communism / socialism, they refuse to acknowledge the slaughter of 10’s of millions of people under the communists in the USSR and Red China, and the inevitable collapse of their policies when pitted against capitalist states, and push of welfare and other big government programs ….
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:12 pmtrueblue,
Sure thing. She just said hi to you on the bush-homerwork thread. (#16)
Yea, trueblue’s here! We’re getting the band back together again!
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:14 pm#238
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:18 pmCoulter would debate Bruce into oblivion… if she didn’t get shouted down by the mindless members in the audience known as progressives (is it just me, or do you laugh every time you hear liberals referred to as such?). Is it progressive to shout down or assault those you don’t agree with? Is it progressive and rational to ignore Coulter’s main points in her books and just focus on the harsher sound bites? There is a reason she’s a best-selling author, and not because she gets air-time on morning shows. Her message resonates with most Americans who take the time to actually read it.
oday, liberal is synonimous with socialist / communist. How liberals
242.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 4:12 pm
Only because people like Rush Limbaugh, and Ann Coulter have told you this. Sorry Mr. Hendler, I don’t buy it. I know more then a few liberals, and none of them have ever waxed poetically on the wonders of communism. I agree that there is a push for some socialism primarily when it comes to healthcare. Other then that the free market system stands.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:18 pmJason is a terrible troll. He’s supposed to incite us, not make us laugh at his ridiculousness.
Comment by trueblue — June 23, 2006 @ 4:11 pm
Hey – Zoo said you’d quit. I was hoping it wasn’t true on a long-term basis – just a break from the insanity?
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:19 pm#237, Juan C,
Hammer and scycle is a reference to the communist symbols on Soviet era flags … I guess you are too young to remember – fortunately, Reagan kept the world safe and finally defeated them, so you are free to blog today …
Capitalism is about wealth creation, not wealth accumulation. It is only a strong correlation that those who create wealth also tend to accumulate it, to create more wealth … “miricle of compounding interest” and so forth …
Communism is about wealth collectivizing and distribution, but since Reagan defeated communism, I have no good examples for you, other than Cuba, which is kept around to show everyone why communism doesn’t work …
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmJason liberal is synonimous with socialist / communist.
That is debatable. But OK.
As for the unwavering belief of liberals in communism / socialism, they refuse to acknowledge the slaughter of 10’s of millions of people under the communists in the USSR and Red China
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 pmYou are correct in the numbers, and I am against of any kind of government and economy doctrine that kills people. But, communism, as Marx predicted it, has not existed yet in this planet.
So, Stalin which was a georgian train assaultant, came up at the communist party after Lenin´s death, and pursued Trotsky until he killed him in Coyoacán, here in Mexico City. No, Stalin does not represent my ideas of what communism should be. Lenin probably would, but that is, again, debatable. Mao changed radically the semifeudal economy system of China, and gave education to people. That was good. Killing, that is so wrong. I am not in favor of colors, people or parties. I am in favor of justice, dignitiy and equal chances for everybody. Capitalism excludes you and excludes me of getting that. Free market rules the world and it is based in only one thing: Profit.
Krazny
Ever notice which states are the red states?
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:20 pm#244,
yeah coulter asks her audience to go beat up anyone who boos her. Please if your going to throw stones don’t live in a glass house.
LOL
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:21 pmKrazny #245
The liberalism you speak of is the Americanized version that has learned to cover its tracks now that communism has been shown to be such an utter failure. That doesn’t stop a lot of Hollywood actors/psychos from joining Communist-funded activities, but it does keep the generic American liberal mouthpieces from being too openly pro-communism, since it’s pretty obvious that the American people wouldn’t stand for such a thing. European liberals much more openly embrace communism. After all, once liberal ideals take root (which they have in Europe), the next logical step is socialism and communism.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:23 pmIs it progressive and rational to ignore Coulter’s main points in her books and just focus on the harsher sound bites?
She relies on the harsher sound bites to sell her books, but what are her main points?
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:23 pmGenerally the ones with the highest per capita need for federal assistance Bruce.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:24 pm#246, Unbelievable,
I had intended to but was compelled to post about the “breaking news” re: the big bad terrorists.
Talked to Zoo, who told me you and Jane (and she) wanted me to reconsider, so although I still can’t take some of the trolls, I decided that the TP community was worth more than just what a couple of trolls could do…..
and I missed you guys……………
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:25 pmKrazny, do you not recognize humor and sarcasm? Coulter says a lot of things that are just jokes to those of us that have the eye for it. She also said someone should poison Judge Stevens (and immediately noted “That was a joke”, for people such as yourself who wouldn’t have known better). Of course, the media still made those comments out to be taken seriously.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:28 pmtrueblue
It is good to have you back.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:28 pmCuba, which is kept around to show everyone why communism doesn’t work …
How so?
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:29 pmcomment by Jason
Who told you this?????? Labor creates the wealth!! Not capitalism. Industrial revolution didnt create wealth. It created exploitation of farmers that went to factories in order to make more money, or why do you think Marx wrote his book about? (You can think whatever you want from that german Marx or that russian Lenin, but they were upper class people who saw a lot more than anyone of us, and did something about it) And again, you are wrong!! take a look at Forbes magazine. How many of that men, did not accumulate wealth? Capitalism is ALL about wealth accumulation. Technology, new way of production and human labor is what creates wealth. I cant make a buck out of selling a TV that cost me cheaper than I sold it, cause then the guy that bought it from me loose that buck I am winning. It all remains constant in global economy. So, free market doesnt create wealth, please!
I have no good examples for you, other than Cuba, which is kept around to show everyone why communism doesn’t work
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:30 pmHow about all countries put a boycott on US? After 40 years what do you think your country would look like?
Darius,
Poisoning someone is NOT humorous.
OK, we’re at a gathering.
Someone says to the entire group, “I think we should all poison Darius T. for his views.”
Do you honestly think that the room would erupt into laughter, even if that person were to add, “Oh. That’s a joke.”????
Or would you think, “What an a$$hole”, and not put your drink down for the rest of the night?
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:32 pmronald reagan – first exponent of the ‘us cut-and-run’ from terror policy – lebanon 1983.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:33 pmand I missed you guys……………
Comment by trueblue — June 23, 2006 @ 4:25 pm
Ditto :) Glad you reconsidered.
You know what I do when I’m not in the mood for them? Just skip their posts. Start at the bottom and scroll up so I know where they are.
Their ignorance is amazing. They never cease to shock me with the crap they say. Sometimes, just better to step over it than in it :)
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:34 pm#252
Well, as I am only a little way into her book myself, I can’t speak to all her points. However, regarding her comments about those four 9/11 widows, she was speaking to the fact that the mainstream media trot out all these “suffering victims” to give us some moral guidance and then expects us not to respond because they have moral superiority. What makes me laugh so hard is how the media immediately proved Coulter’s point by ripping into her for questioning the widows’ agenda.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:34 pm#248 Juan C,
Excellent post. Most won’t admit the failings of socialist / communist states. I agree that a true socialist / communist state has NEVER existed, because it goes against human nature. Once merit is removed from a society, as the basis for elevation, than the only quality that differentiates one from the masses is ruthlessness, which is how you get leaders like, Stalin, Mao, Kim Jung Il and Castro.
#251 Darius T
True, Liberalism and Capitalism failed to solve the problems of industrialism and mercantilism, so unions were the correct remedy, but those too, in time, became corrupted and abused. Now we are pulling back and embracing libertarianism, understanding that only the individual is responsible for solving their own problems ….
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:34 pmBruce,
Thank you!
I honestly didn’t think I’d be missed at all. (I think I need a Kleenex!)
I guess there are just certain times that I have to step away before my troll frustration gets the best of me!
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmThanks…..
She also said someone should poison Judge Stevens
She has promoted the deaths of many people. How, exactly, is that funny?
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:35 pmThe prescription drug plan by the president is the best application of using market forces to provide for a common good. Government payments to corporations to provide drugs to needy people, while allowing for enough competition to keep prices low.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:37 pmPersonally I am a capatilist in that I believe companies should be run for a profit by non-governmental interests, but I strongly feel that safeguards should be in place to make sure that nobody is getting cheated and nobody is poisoning the environment.
Sort of “You can have your business, but I’m not going to let you get away with murder. You will pay taxes, you will obey environmental standards, you will provide a product that works as intended and is safe, and if you conclude an agreement with the local unions, you will bloody well abide by that agreement. You will also pay a minimum of a living wage to your workers and you will pay overtime.”
Of course, to some this is radically leftwing for some reason.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:39 pm#260 jealousofjeff,
I believe that you mean proponent, not exponent … At least you stopped namecalling ….
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:39 pmI guess you are too young to remember – fortunately, Reagan kept the world safe and finally defeated them
Comment by Jason
I am 29. I feel young, thank you. Reagan was an actor, and probably you think his movies were in fact reality. No, they were not. He was a low life murderer that killed hundreds of people in Nicaragua to support a dictator like Somoza.
The failure of the so called communism was due to bureaucracy and the attempt to pass from a feudal zarist regime to communism. World is not prepared to have communism, as long as people think like you, that they are going to loose everything and that Bolsheviks are merciless killers that want to rape women and burn houses. That is not true. Stop watching Rambo.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:39 pmThe right has no sense of humor. It’s why the left dominates Comedy Central with political shows and the right has nothing.
Ann was serious. Because that was NOT sarcasm in any format.
Just so you learn something today, here’s a definition:
sarcasm
n : witty language used to convey insults or scorn; “he used sarcasm to upset his opponent”; “irony is wasted on the stupid”.
http://www.dictionary.com it’s free.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:40 pmYou will also pay a minimum of a living wage to your workers and you will pay overtime
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:42 pmComment by Bruce Gorton
You pretty much describe socialism. Was it that bad?
Jason,
the prices on some prescription drugs are not that low. My wife is epeleptic. She requires medication twice daily to keep it under control. We both have good jobs with benefits. However if we were uninsured her medication for months supply would be $700 dollars.
without insurance she would end up flopping around like a fish every so often. Please don’t tell me drug prices are low.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:42 pm#264 – great how about taking some personal responsibility about supporting someone who advocates ‘killing their leaders, invade their countries and convert them to christianity’? next you can take responsibility for denigrating someone’s opinion for not sounding smart. and then for lying about saying that. pissant, liar, racist bigot.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:42 pm#259
Considered in the context of the remark, it was borderline humorous. “We should get someone to put some rat poison in his creme-brulee”… obviously not meant to be taken seriously. The guy is like 85 years old, it’s crossed everyone’s mind “when is the guy going to retire or pass away?” At the same time, no, I wouldn’t recommend saying that joke. Not her finest moment, but it was definitely blown out of proportion. My main point was that when she asks people to go beat up the people that boo her, she is not serious. Just like she was just joking when she said that it was too bad that the terrorists didn’t bomb the New York Times building (later amending this by saying “I meant after everyone has left the building… except the editors and writers”).
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:45 pmquestioning the widows’ agenda
That’s a very creative way to put it.
What the media was pointing out was her caullousness in doing so. She supposedly supports this War on Terrorism and even the Occupation of Iraq because we should “Remember 9/11″, but its obviously not 9/11 she wants to remember when she doesn’t have the decency and respect deserving to these direct victims of the Event.
She is in effect saying: Remember MY and only MY view of 9/11
Get real.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:45 pm#269 Juan C,
Doesn’t Somoza play for the Chicago Cubs? I love that guy….
You are young, so I forgive your naivety when it comes to human behaviour, but the inevitable result of any system that does not reward true merit is socio-economic ruin. Bolsheviks were merciless killers who raped women and burned houses, but I guess that’s OK as long as they seize property from the rich and redistribute it to the poor …
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:45 pmThe prescription drug plan by the president is the best application of using market forces to provide for a common good. Government payments to corporations to provide drugs to needy people, while allowing for enough competition to keep prices low.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 4:37 pm
As I understand it, the republican-controlled Congress voted against allowing the government to negotiate with the drug companies for lower prices. How is that in any way, shape or form “using market forces to provide for a common good.”???
Furthermore, once people sign up for a plan, they are locked into it for a period of time and cannot change to another plan. But the drug companies can change any part of the plan they want to at any time and there is nothing the person can do about it. They can drop a drug from coverage or they can increase the co-pay to pretty much as much as they want. Since people CANNOT drop the plan in favor of one they can afford, they cannot exercise “market forces” and show their displeasure by going to a competitor. It proves (to me) that the plan was written for the benefit of the drug companies, not the people.
Former Rep Billy Tauzin wrote that bill (with a great deal of help from BigPharma), and once it passed he took a job as a lobbyist with – tada – BigPharma.
So the statement you made above is full of shit.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:46 pmwhile allowing for enough competition to keep prices low.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:46 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler
Another lie to learned from free marketeers. Prices are low due to way the goods are produced, not by any competition. You see, companies that sell the same product can agree about the same high prices for their products, which is really a kind of monopoly. I am from Argentina…that happened in telecommunication field. Telefonica (Spain) and Telecomm (France) agreed to increase their prices. mmmmm…that was really a competition!!
nope jason pissant – exponent is what I meant. proponent is just a synonym. sort of like assclown is to pissant. assclown
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:48 pm#272, Krazny,
Sorry to hear about your wife’s condition. Many drugs are priced high to recoup the development costs, but would be more expensive, or not even available, if we didn’t have a patent system to protect drug company investments.
I am sure there are examples of some high prices, but the approach of having companies providing social goods in a competitive framework is the best general solution.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:50 pmOf ciourse EVERY AMERICAN is entitled to FREE SPEECH! BTW, are there any Bush supporters who have been criticized for exercising free speech? No, because progressives (and all American’s who believe in the Bill of Rights) think anyone with any point of view is entitled to speak.
This kind of nonsense should be turned back on the interview: just say, as an American, I’m entitled to free speech. That’s one of my inaleinable rights. Got a problem with that?
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmI will link to this again – this is the family the trolls worship….
What is interesting about the history of the Bush family are the connections; Avril Harriman, Allen Dulles, the Rockefellers (the start of the oil connection), James Baker III, Gulf Oil, Pennzoil, Osama bin Laden…on and on it goes.
A Nazi in the (pocket) is worth four in the Bush (family)
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:51 pmJuan C
Competition does lower prices, and incentivises inovation. Monopolies don’t work. South Africa for example, has a state monopoly on the phone lines, so guess what? We pay more then any other country in the world for a phone call.
When only one provider provides a needed service, believe me you pay for it.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:55 pm#182 Liberals do not bash the belief systems of Christians and capitalists, only in the minds of the wing nut republican party is your statement true. Liberals want the founders words to be held true and to have church and state separated. If you do not think this is the case, then perhaps you need to read some Jefferson and some Madison. Search under remonstrance against religion. As to the capitalist thing, that is also very false. Simply taxing earnings to pay for the benefits of our nation is not being anti business. Protecting the natural resources of our nation is not being anti business. Trying to ensure that all employees are treated fairly is not being anti business. I call all of those things being pro-American. Face it the pro-business congress and administration has not done anything to create the environment whereby businesses can flourish.
Republicans hate Social Security and minimum wages, universal health care and other such issues. They deride these as being anti business initiatives. What the result of all of these things are is to provide more cash to the economy as there is more cash in the hands of people who will spend it. When they spend it demand for goods and services increases. When demand increases the economy grows through additional investment. The additional investment leads to additional wealth to the upper classes etc… Trickle down on the other hand has been shown to not work twice. Heck my econ professor for my MBA was an unabashed conservative. When a student asked about trickle down the prof told him that only works on paper. The reality is that in order to stimulate business you need to have customers pulling goods and services through the economy. If you have the economy pushing goods and services it will not work without customers. It’s really simple. So to counter your point about Dems being anti capitalism, I say anyone who advocates trickle down, flat tax, “fair share sales tax” etc… is anti-capitalist because they are all policies that take cash out of the consumers hands. Without cash in the consumers hands the economy can not grow no matter how much is invested.
#182 the theories rarely change. If you are truly an engineer and have truly taken engineering in college you probably have taken a science class or two. If you have taken science classes, especially biology you will know that a theory rarely changes. The evidence supporting a theory may change from year to year or the theory may be slightly modified. I know your main point is natural selection, that theory has not changed it has remained pretty static, but the evidence supporting it has grown by leaps and bounds as man has learned more of where to look. Heck if you discuss natural selection with geologists they will discuss mollusks and conodonts. If you discuss it with a pundit all you will get is monkeys and missing links. I trust science far more than I trust pundits and more than I trust religion. In fact the Catholic church sides with me in that they have said that people should trust science. On the other hand take away those millions of examples of evolution and those millions of pages of research and scientifically reviewed papers and what do you have? Two creation stories in the bible with no verification of who wrote them or when. Was it Moses? Or was it written prior to Moses? After the creation how did Adam and eve’s children spawn the next generation? Where did black people, Indians, Orientals and others come from?
#185 Clinton did not take us into Somalia. George Bush did. You need to get a history book not published by Fox. Way back George Bush said for months that Somalia was none of America’s business, then shortly after he lost the election he sent troops to Somalia. But heck it has to be Clinton’s fault, declaring it to be so is much easier than thinking. By the way I had already served 7 years prior to Clinton ever thinking f running for office. I left when I finally decided it was not what I wanted to do when I grew up. Though I did join after college because I felt it was my duty to serve the country, which is an attitude missing from nearly every republican war monger I know. By the way Reagan was president when I enlisted and I did not like him one bit, even though I was a republican at the time.
#197 that is patently false. That SC decision merely solidified several disparate decisions made over the years. DO I agree with it? Nope, but my conservative friends do think that business should be able to put property to the best use possible and that people can always find a different place to live. How is that mind set different from the SC decision you deride?
#214 push away from Christian capitalism? I think you need to re-read your new testament, Christ was all for sharing the wealth and helping his brother. Remember whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers…? Speaking of activist judges (only those who have no clue that our legal system is based on English common law use that phrase) how about Scalia? He claims to be an originalist, yet he voted in favor of the no knock warrant serving, even though the founders were clear on that issue. They put the unreasonable search clause in there as a counter to how the English beat in the doors of people and searched. Speaking of activism…isn’t it the right that defines activism as judges overturning legislatures laws? (forget interpreting them within the constitution…irrelevant to the right) However we have a president who is charged with enforcing the law, but he believes he has made law over 400 times by issuing his signing statements which essentially say he is overriding the intent of congress. No liberal judge ever over rode congress that frequently. DO we like activist presidents?
#224 how many times has Coulter had pies thrown at her? Once that I know of. I also know that at Loyola University in Chicago she called upon the young republican reich marshalls to bodily throw dissenters out of the room. SO much for her belief in free speech.
#227 Undermines democratic processes? The US bill of rights is designed to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority. The Mass ruling simply said that the states constitution overrode the law. If you check the US constitution you will see that after the 3/5 of a person issue was tossed, and allowing women the right to vote there are not multiple classes of people in our country. Trying to use the government to separate Gays out is essentially creating multiple classes of people. Pssst…, don’t tell anyone, but regardless of what state legislatures and the federal government do, Churches still have the right to marry or refuse to marry whomever they choose. I have yet to hear of a single law suit where e a jew sued to get married in a catholic church.
This thread is tiring as the chickehawk 101st keyboarder is relentless in his pursuit of tying the record for most talking points uttered ina single day…
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:55 pm#277, Wayne,
What you call “negotiate”, I call extort. The Democrats in congress want to place themselves in the middle of the process, so as to squeeze campaign contributions from drug companies, or force these companies to perform services that no company, on their own in a free market, would do. Liberals in congress wouldn’t represent the users of the drugs, just themselves, as they do in all cases, keeping the little guy down, so that they need the democrats. Just ask how well the black communities have done in the last 20 years …
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:56 pmThat is where I have the problem Jason, A drug company does spend alot of money on research. However, I dislike when a drug is priced high to recoup that investment. I feel that they are putting the profit before people. Especially when you can check the prices of the same drugs in other countries, and come up with a much lower price.
I have an uncle, who is afflicted with Crones disease, if you think epilipsy is bad try crones sometimes. He is self employed, and because of that pays some hefty prices so he can function normally. I realize that in the drug world patents run out. However a company could expect to realize profit from a drug for many years to come, and charge less for the drug.
Just a thought anyway.
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:56 pm“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you have to focus on” – GW Bush
“You have to look at the entire Bush Family in this context — as if the family ran a corporation called ‘Frauds-R-Us,’
George Jr.’s specialty was insurance and security fraud.
Jeb’s specialty was oil and gas fraud.
Neil’s specialty was real estate fraud.
Prescott’s specialty was banking fraud.
And George Sr.’s specialty? All of the above.” – Lt. Cmdr. Al Martin, US Navy,(Ret)
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:56 pmbut the inevitable result of any system that does not reward true merit is socio-economic ruin.
Comment by Jason
What is true merit? To make proftis out of oil or kids loosing fingers in textile factories? Well, then yes; it will be inevitable the fall of capitalism.
Bolsheviks were merciless killers who raped women and burned houses
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:56 pmWrong. But we can argue about that. Remember, those folks (not Stalin) won the WWII, NOT YOU.
In that same definition, Chicago Martyrs of 1886 were merciless killers…right?
By the way, you posted only “dictators” from socialists countries. You still have a lot to post from capitalists countries…I can help you: Pinochet, Videla, King Fahd, Batista, Somoza…
Oh, sorry I forgot to add: Juan C
What you describe is actually a form of monopoly when you think about it. You need to make sure competitors are competing (for example South Africa’s big four banks have a veeery cozy little cartel going there)
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmKrazny,
June 23rd, 2006 at 4:58 pmMy daughter is also an Epileptic. She’d have 5+ seizures A DAY.
They were uncontrolled for 2 years. It was Hell.
Thank God for the insurance, or else we’d have never gotten the care she needed.
I’m in MA, and they have “Mass Health” It supplemented what her primary insurance didn’t cover. It was that safety net that got us through. She needs 2 meds, twice a day. I think our cost would have been ~700. as well. I get 600. /mo in child support.
It’s ridiculous.
#272 jealousofjeff
not sure if you’re speaking to me, since i wasn’t #264
however, in case you are, i’ll try to address your comment, as illegible as it was. At least you discovered commas for your last sentence fragment.
As for your mention of Coulter’s “killing their leaders, invade their countries…” comment, I guess the sarcasm/humor was lost on you. She was saying that to first, turn around terrorists agenda and stick it right back at them, and second, make a joke. However, it might actually be a decent foreign policy when dealing with certain countries. Iraq, Korea, and a couple other countries did/do have leaders deserving of death for all the harm they’ve brought to their own people, not to mention other people around the world.
I also noticed you like the word “pissant.” Not sure where i “denigrated someone’s opinion for not sounding smart” (please tell me there is some semblance of understandable English in there), but I was trying to clarify some points of disagreement on Coulter’s comments. Lastly, also not sure where I lied about saying “that.” (What “that” is remains a mystery only solvable by a thesaurus and some ESP lessons)
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:01 pmHear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil
The other really important question to ask is how can one family which has so many skeletons in the family closet, get away with such dirty dealings and over such a long period of time without being called to task? It’s as if the mass media goes deaf, dumb and blind when the name Bush comes up. For no matter what your politics are, left, right or indifferent, a family which has its fingers in so many dirty dealings has surely got to get you thinking about exactly what kind of country it is you live in (if you’re an American) and what kind of world is it that’s dominated by a country with a media (not to mention a legal system) that’s quite content not to challenge its president or his lying, thiefing family and their tenticular network of associations which includes: the Mafia, the Chinese Communist Party, Japanese Triads, the Vatican, Central American drug smugglers and gun runners, international arms dealers, the Ayotollah Khomeini (RIP), Cuban-American terrorists, money laundering, illegal arms sales, countless conflicts of interests, nepotism, coverups, tax avoidance, SEC fiddles and banking scams? A veritable ‘school for scoundrels’.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:02 pmTrueblue,
my wife takes topomax, and I can’t remember the other one. She still has petty mal seizures about once a month, but no grand mals since she started on the drug regime. 5 seizures a day that must have been horrifying. I am glad you have it under control.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:03 pm#292
“Mad”ashell is right…
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:05 pm#286, Krazny,
As for pricing in other countries, drug companies had two choices, gear up a legal staff in all other countries to protect their patents (most countries won’t recognize that right), or cost-price the drug, so that competitor’s can’t afford to develop a competing product. It is a harsh economic reality, but that is how it is. Believe me, the drugs that help your wife and the other poster’s daughter wouldn’t EXIST if we didn’t have this patent system to protect drug companies investments over 14 years of drug development and testing.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:05 pm#290, trueblue,
Assuming that you are a woman, have you considered supporting a good man in his life/career, so that he can help you with your needs in return?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pmComment by Darius T. — June 23, 2006 @ 5:05 pm
Who are you – a distant cousin of the bush family? EVERYTHING that the above said is the VERIFIABLE TRUTH.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:07 pm#291, Darius T.
lmfao! jealousofjeff is the typical name calling, bomb throwing nut that hangs around progressive chat boards to attack right leaning posters in the hope to intimidate them from posting. Facts and truth intimidate them, so keep laying it out there for them….
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:11 pm#297
ok, conspiracy troll… just like Bill Clinton had numerous people murdered to cover his tracks in Arkansas… verifiable “truth” there too. When you’re a nutcase, you will believe anything to support your lunacy.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:11 pmMy problem Jason, is the idea that drug companies would deny someone what the needed to live because they cannot pay for the drugs. I dislike the ideas of profit before people. I disagree with you base assumption though. A great deal of research is done through government grants at the university level. New drugs and treatments are developed independant of big pharma.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:14 pmMr. Hendley,
I have patiently read through your posts and after very careful consideration, I have come to the conclusion that your ideas are the product of a delusional mind. Maybe not yours in particular, but definitely a delusional one. You should try to get your information from sources other than the ones you use.
All I can say to you, sir, is, Good luck living in this great, secular, liberal country. And I hope the pharmaceutical companies don’t charge you twice what you’d pay in other countries for the stroke medication that living here will apparently force you to need.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:18 pmI’ve had enough now. So far I have been called out by these ignoramuses to enlist in a war I don’t believe in, and a conspiracy “troll”???? for linking to articles that shows the bushes for who they really are – with links to back ALL OF IT UP.
Like I said – BUSH LOYALISTS – THEY WORSHIP THE GROUND HE WALKS ON.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:20 pmFacts and truth intimidate them
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:21 pmErr…you mean the righ wing. Jason, you seem pretty rational, (although you are going to see that comment as an offense because I assume I am younger than you) but you really have to see things from the other side. It is really comfortable to speak up from a country that has based its economy on landings in other countries to upheld its interests, while leaving death, hunger and misery. And then you ask, why do they hate us so much? Well, just review the tragic, sad, blood-spilled history of US in Central America. Kissinger saying that US wouldnt allow a socialist country (Chile with Allende) in America (you know, the whole continent, not just you) and then killed Letelier in US ground…and then, this is really funny in a tragic way…he gets the Nobel Prize!!!!!!! United Fruit in Guatemala…Taliban regime supported by CIA (Rambo III), etc, etc, etc.
Be conscious on what regime you are supporting.
#300, Krazny,
I’ve heard that arguement before, and the amount of money spent by the government on basic research at universities is nothing compared to the many years of development and testing compounded by the risk of the drug not even working (many drugs don’t make it through development and test), as well as the cost of law suits when the drugs have unintended side effects.
I am sympathetic to your plight, and I would much prefer that rich liberals donated to a charity that would pay for your medication than giving it to the Democratic party. Again, I truely believe that the drugs that help your family wouldn’t even exist if it weren’t for this patent system.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:22 pmmadashell,
I’d put it, “They worship the ground he shits on.”
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:22 pmthen we are at odds. I don’t believe the same way.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:23 pm305. Thank you for that one.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:24 pmCompetition does lower prices, and incentivises inovation
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:25 pmComment by Bruce Gorton
I agree if they are well intended. Sadly this never the case. For example…there are a lot of car brands, right? How much does the price have fallen since all that competition? Oh, I know what has fallen in automobile industry: jobs.
#290, trueblue,
Assuming that you are a woman, have you considered supporting a good man in his life/career, so that he can help you with your needs in return?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
OK, folks @ TP: Does this win for the most idiotic statement of the day?
I won’t even respond, because I don’t want him screaming “femi-nazi” or some other asinine crap at me.
Kranzy,
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:27 pmIt’s was the switch to Topomax + Trileptal that finally did it. She couldn’t attend school for an entire year because of it. Just going to see a movie was a gamble. Thankfully, our loved one’s ailments are both under control. May they stay that way. :)
#302 “Synonym of crazy”ashell
I don’t worship Bush…. i actually don’t agree with all of his policies. I also extremely disliked Clinton, yet when I saw a video purporting to show the “truth” about his links to suspicious deaths in Arkansas, I still was able to separate my dislike of him from the absurdity of the evidence (which actually was compelling) in the video. Your supposed links between the Bush family and all the nefarious folks around the world is intellectually dishonest, as those same links were repeated by Michael “Roly Poly” Moore and dissected and proven false by a handful of films and articles.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:27 pm#303, Juan C,
I have to trust that since there WEREN’T 10’s of millions killed in the Americas, as there were in the USSR and Red China, that the US is NOT as bad as the communist states with whom they competed in the Cold War. I know that is no consolation to those who did suffer some injustices under our foreign policies, but you can clearly see how the alternatives COULD have been worse.
Again, I am open to your opinion, tell me what you would have the US do during the cold war?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:27 pmkeeping the little guy down, so that they need the democrats.
I’ve heard this before and I still can’t understand it. Is there any actual evidence to support this claim? I am slightly open to the possibility that maybe good intentions are having a negative effect, but I haven’t seen any evidence to support that there is an intentional policy of Democrats to oppress anyone, in fact I see the opposite as being true.
Just ask how well the black communities have done in the last 20 years
Which has been the most predominent party in charge during this time-frame?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:28 pm#309, trueblue,
LOL – I was just yanking your chain …
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:30 pm#299 – sorry to disappoint jason pissant. you’ve not been able to worm out of your odious positions you’ve taken throughout the day.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:32 pmthose are the facts – you’ve shown me nothing to refute them. it will take more than a obfuscating assclown than yourself to intimidate me.
#312 – Jon,
If the Democrats truly want to help the black community, why won’t they allow school vouchers for school choice in their failing school systems? School voucher programs are overwhelmingly popular in the black communities, but the Dems won’t allow it, because the black communities would then have the education they need to break the cycle of poverty, and no longer be dependent on Democrats.
Perhaps Dems are well intentioned, but they are clearly disregarding the wishes of the black communities when it comes to school choice.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:33 pm#312…
Answer to your last question: Democrats, at least at the levels that matter most. But either way, when you have a group like the NAACP and individuals like Jesse Jackson continually living in the distant past and encouraging other blacks to do so as well, what would you expect? No one seems to want to acknowledge that this country is in fact the least racist countries in the history of the world. This is not to say that we haven’t had our issues amongst the races, but that compared with all the other countries, we’re in great shape. Only someone completely ignorant of other cultures would disagree with that assessment.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:34 pmI too am glad Blue. I am happy your daughter is has her epilepsy under control. I have never seen my wife have a grand mal siezure. the first few times I saw the petty mals it was pretty scary. I know what to look for now and how to deal with it.
I realize the need to counter communism during the coldwar was a drove many of the foreign policy decisions. I don’t agree however that the US should have supported one dictator simply because he was anti-communist. Had we used that type of reasoning, we would have helped hitler in WWII.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:36 pmDarius, I disagree, while there is still alot of racism, and other bigotry in the world, places like the UK, Sweden, and Norway are far less racist then the US.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:39 pmDarius, I’m interested in whether you think that Pat “Death Threat” Robertson is as funny as you believe Ann Coulter to be?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:40 pm#317 Krazny
Yes, we made some mistakes in our past foreign policy decisions (Hindsight is always 20/20). However, our leaders had to go with what was best for our country at the time, thus we armed and aided some men who eventually showed their true evil colors and came back to bite that hand that used to feed them. Yet, I can’t say that we are worse off than if we had not involved ourselves in some of those conflicts. Communism was a much greater threat at the time than some of the little countries that we helped.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:41 pmYour supposed links between the Bush family and all the nefarious folks around the world is intellectually dishonest, as those same links were repeated by Michael “Roly Poly†Moore and dissected and proven false by a handful of films and articles.
Whatever. I really don’t care you don’t believe it. You people aren’t capable of believing in the truth, and that is all there is to it. I’m talking about bush and his family, and you bring up Clinton and Michael Moore. Typical.
and please name the films and the articles. I am very curious.
and I will take the words of a military man before I will listen to your drivel.
“You have to look at the entire Bush Family in this context — as if the family ran a corporation called ‘Frauds-R-Us,’
George Jr.’s specialty was insurance and security fraud.
Jeb’s specialty was oil and gas fraud.
Neil’s specialty was real estate fraud.
Prescott’s specialty was banking fraud.
And George Sr.’s specialty? All of the above.” — Lt. Cmdr. Al Martin, US Navy,(Ret)
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:41 pm#317, Krazny,
Hitler was allied with the Soviet Union at the start of WWII, so your extrapolation doesn’t hold.
Oh, and on drugs, I sympathize and agree to disagree. Glad the programs available help to reduce some of your costs.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:41 pmwhy won’t they allow school vouchers for school choice
The way I understand it: these vouchers would not be good for the entire tuition of a chosen school. It would still force poor families to come up with the rest of the money for tuition which is still more than they can afford.
The School Vouchers, in effect, would only be helping the wealthy pay less for the Private Schools they have already chosen to send their kids to, regardless of the vouchers.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:41 pmKrazny
That was the precise reasoning behind appeasement.
What the US should have done is put human rights on centre stage and communism on the side. The big problem was, there was too much hysteria at the time and not enough thinking going on.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:41 pm#312 – Jon,
If the Democrats truly want to help the black community, why won’t they allow school vouchers for school choice in their failing school systems? School voucher programs are overwhelmingly popular in the black communities, but the Dems won’t allow it, because the black communities would then have the education they need to break the cycle of poverty, and no longer be dependent on Democrats.
Perhaps Dems are well intentioned, but they are clearly disregarding the wishes of the black communities when it comes to school choice.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Where do you get that from?!!!!!!
Links? Facts?
BTW: Assuming I’m female, as you had said, I wouldn’t have a chain to yank.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:43 pmAnd I don’t really believe your “I was just kidding” statement. Something about all of your other posts belies your ‘joshing’
#318, Krazny,
Actually, Norway is starting to have serious problems with Arabs, as are the other countries in Europe, and fascist skinhead gangs are attacking them, while the Arabs are raping Aryan women, who are considered beneath contempt in Arab cultures.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:44 pmtrueblue-
I was just up your way a couple of weeks ago. We went to Fenway and it was AWESOME!!!!
What is the name of the pitcher for the Sox that came out for Bush, Schilling wasn’t it? Yeah, well trolls, in the great liberal state of MA guess what…they did not care!!! He did and does the job he is paid to do. What he says in his free time is his business so why does it bother you so much that some famous person is liberal?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:45 pmActually Hitler had a non-aggression pact with Stalin at the beginning of WWII. An alliance would have meant stalin would have sent troops to help with Hitlers conquest. A non-aggression pact, meant that they would not attack each other. A pact that Hitler broke, when his troops attempted to invade the Soviet Union. The Soviets had also lost the russo-japenese war, shortly before WWII started, that is why they helped in the battle against the Germans, but did not help in the pacific. I was simply trying to illustrate the point, that the US during the cold war backed some pretty unsavory characters in fighting the communists.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:45 pm#325, trueblue,
I baited you, you bit and I laughed – twice now ….
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:46 pmsorry, meant for Jason, not Jon
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:46 pm#319
Jane, no, i don’t think Pat Robertson is funny… for one, he was not making a joke (what is it with people confusing serious comments and jokes in this thread???). Plus, Pat Robertson is a supposed reverend, in which case I doubly think he should avoid making public statements such as those. Pat Robertson has been overcome with his own self-importance to realize what Christ would have him do and say. His mission as a pastor should be to push for the salvation of Chavez’s soul, not the destruction of his body.
#318
Krazny, you haven’t been paying attention to any of the news coming from Europe the last few months… riots by Muslims in France, Denmark, etc. Muslims torturing and murdering an innocent Jewish man in Paris… All this caused in part by the denigration of Muslims by those societies.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:47 pmAgain, I am open to your opinion, tell me what you would have the US do during the cold war?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:47 pmComment by Jason M. Hendler
I will tell you examples of actual first world countries: Canada, Sweden, Switzerland, Norway, etc…Why is not the world hating them, while their “poor” and children are being protected by the state, why they soldier kids are being shot at?
You, as a country, are digging your own grave, I guess. Your former friends are now against you. 2512 soldiers are dead, so you can shop freely at the Gap, according to you, right? They are protecting you from enemies you have supported in the past.
I think that single word, has just betrayed your entire political philosophy to anyone with even the faintest bit of historic knowledge.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:47 pmJason,
I would expect that problems would exist. We have a situation where an entire religion worldwide has decided it is being attacked by another religion. Keep in mind, I am not defending Islam, attacking Christianity, or defending terrorists. I am simply stating what is happening in the minds of the average Muslim. If I remember correctly there was an upsurge shortly after 9/11 of attacks and bigotry towards Muslims in the US.
I would expect that anti-muslim bigotry would go up. This is something that works both ways. I would be interested in you links in the rape issue. That smells very much like a false flag. However bigotry towards blacks, and other ethnic groups besides muslims, and agianst homosexuals, is much lower in those country then in the US.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:51 pmThere’s none so blind as those that refuse to see.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:51 pmI mentioned Sweden, Norway and the UK as examples Darius, I did not mention France, or Denmark. I agree that the US has come along way. I disagree that we are the least bigoted nation in the world. At the very least Canada has us beat hands down.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:54 pm#333
Sorry Bruce, should he have used “caucasian” instead? Didn’t realize that Aryan was now politically incorrect. He also said “fascist skinhead gangs”… would seem to me that he’s just using the appropriate language. It is ironic though that Aryan actually used to refer to people of Iranian ancestry.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:54 pm#333, Bruce,
perhaps Nordic, or non-Arab would have sufficed ….
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/02/muslim-rape-epidemic-in-sweden-and.html
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:55 pmBTW – talking about pharmacuticals (sp?) – NPR reported that overall drug prices have increased at a highest rate in history in the time period since the medicare D went into effect. Since last November, the average for drug prices of drugs commonly used by senior citzens have increased by more than 4%.
So…so much for market forces!
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:56 pmJason,
Laughing at the misfortune of other people, “twice now” I believe you said.
Nice.
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:57 pmMaybe this one will make you feel better …
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:57 pmI’ve been offline all afternoon so my response to some the responses of my post of 12:30 is not as timely as I’d like. Mr. Springsteen, Ms. Striesand and others who have been more vocal about their political feelings, both under the current administration and previous ones are in a unique position in that people want to come to see them for the reason that made them famous, they perform. I have nothing against ANY song they perform, even if it is politically motivated one, even if it is opposite to my views. If the song is good, I’ll listen to it. So for that reason, if I liked the music of some, say like Joan Baez (who it so happens I don’t), regardless of the “message” I’d be inclined to go anyway, knowing what kind of music to expect. On the other hand, I’d prefer NOT to here “speeches” between songs as to what the entertainer feels. Sure, it’s okay to tell me what moved me to write a certain song etc, but please don’t do a whole political speech.
I don’t know about any of you, but if we had to listen to everyone’s personal positions on all matters, including political, everytime we went somewhere for a service etc., I think most would agree that’s not why we went there in the first place. Imagine going to see your doctor and between checking your blood pressure and listening to your heart, you had to endure how much your doctor despised Mr. Clinton’s policies and how embarrassing it was with regards to the Lewinsky affair etc. You’d likely be thinking, I came here for a check up, not to be lectured to. That’s how I feel about entertainers and concerts.
Katy (104), you’ve taken the time to highlight my words, specifically “I”. Can you tell me what the problem is with saying what I want. Do you not ever say or do something YOU want or do always do what the masses tell you to?
June 23rd, 2006 at 5:59 pmDarius T.
Still haven’t responded to my scenario.
Funny, or threat?
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:00 pmDarius T.
Jason M. Hendler
There is only 1 group I know of that refers to white people as Aryans in casual conversation, without it being an insult.
Further, the claim you are making sounds eerily familiar to me. Accusations of rape are after all, frequently very strong propaganda.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:00 pm#337, Darius,
Actually, Caucasian applies to the peoples of the middle east and India as well, so I choose a word that was a subset of Caucasian, but Nordic would have been best.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:00 pmThe problem with the word aryan, is it has become cynonomous with white power groups. Up in Hayden Lake, Idaho the aryan brotherhood, a racist skinhead gang, used to have a compound there. they would regularly march through the town wearing swastikas, and shouting white power. I have to admit that it raised my hackles a bit too. The last time I saw the word ayran used was on a “white nationalist” site.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:01 pmKrazny
of course bigotry against blacks is lower there, that doesn’t mean there is less racism. Bigotry in those countries doesn’t fall along the skin color line so much as on the religious and ethnic lines. England has horrible issues between the protestants and catholics, though those do seem to be getting better. As for Canada, they currently have a very significant problem with the North American Indians, who have been long denigrated in their society and whose relationship with other non-Indian Canadians and the government is now very poor, on the verge of violence. I know some Canadians that expect blood to be shed in some areas over the land rights battles and other grievances.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:03 pm#340, trueblue,
Not laughing at your misfortune, just at your reaction to pulling your leg, assuming you have at least one of those, with my luck you were born without them and will again harange me for my insensativity.
#344, Bruce,
Agreed, I should have said Nordic. Do tell me if this story is false:
http://fjordman.blogspot.com/2005/12/immigrant-rape-wave-in-sweden.html
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:04 pmliving in the distant past
Although we have come a long way, racism is alive and well. A drive through the rural South with open eyes should cure you of that dellusion.
Besides, Jesse Jackson has lost credibility with most of the black people I know who view him as simply a Self-serving fool who’s face pops up whenever there is some sort of controversy. How again do his policies represent an intentional oppression of Blacks by the Democratic Party?
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:06 pmtrueblue, what scenario? I’ll look for it.
Bruce, i’m not saying anything about the raping, etc. Just that his use of the term Aryan doesn’t show him to be anything, except accurate in his language skills.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:06 pmThe site he is linking too, I have to say is a bit suspect. the data is probably correct, however much of if you glance over the rest of the site, and I while I am not an expert in swedish politics, it looks like a great deal of very far right blogging. I am unsure if he is reporting truth, or is trying to find a villian.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:10 pmtrueblue,
i sort of responded to that scenario… personally, i don’t know what i would think, since that wasn’t the scenario that happened with Stevens. He wasn’t in the audience, the audience was some conservative group, and in the context of her comments, it wa meant as a joke. Again, like i said earlier, I am not saying it was ok for her to joke about it, but i was giving it as an example of where liberals need to lighten up a bit and realize that most of her inflamatory comments are made to get a rise out of them, not to be taken seriously. With as much as the media likes to blow her comments out of proportion, yes, she should have refrained from making that joke, even though she did say “that is a joke, for those in the media” immediately thereafter.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:12 pmNot that I read the National Enquirer, but it is hard to miss their headlines in the checkout lines at the grocery store….
‘Well, color me happy! Ann Coulter has finally hit the big time. Forget scoring the cover of Time last year. Plenty of second-tier political personalities have done that. (Weren’t the Dixie Chicks on just a few weeks ago?) And so what if her latest book is a best-seller; she’s already enjoyed a string of those and is apt to enjoy plenty more, assuming her liver doesn’t stop over-excreting bile any time soon. But this week Coulter arguably reached the pinnacle of American notoriety when no less a zeitgeist authority than The National Enquirer named her “The Most Hated Woman in America.” Now that is a big deal. We’re talking Hillary Clinton-level public loathing here
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:13 pmThe last time I saw the word ayran used was on a “white nationalist†site.
Yup, and on that note, I’m out.
You all have a great weekend!! It was a pleasure to be a part of this today. It seems like it was slowly moving away from just the flame-throwing (which, don’t get me wrong, has its place too ;)
Peace
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:14 pmFirst one you linked to was a blog, which showed signs of being nothing more then a blog. Frequent self referencing was used, as well as links to other blogs, and very little in the way of media coverage (A factor is bemoans as being unofficial censorship.) I cannot speak for whether its claims are true or not, but it is not a good source by the looks of it.
Further, by its own admission it has taken more then 20 years for the number of rapes reported to have tripled. 20 years. It does not state whether this is an annual figure or not.
Next up, as it is often shown, crime rates are in fact higher amongst poor populations. South Africa has horrifying of rape statistics, and not all that many of the guys committing the crimes are Muslim. While poverty does not excuse rape, it does seem to lead to more of it.
I’m sorry but it reads like propaganda.
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:16 pmSorry, previous post is adressed to Jason M. Hendler
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:17 pmI’m sorry Darius but those links between the Bush family and the Binladens and Hitler are 100% part of the historicl record and not manufactured as was your compelling but disregarded evidece that Clinton comitted murder
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:32 pm……..crickets………
where did the racist bigots run off to?
June 23rd, 2006 at 6:54 pmi can’t believe they were allowed to hijack this thread…almost 5 hours…
bruce would be amazed… “It’s insane. It’s funny.”
well, not funny at all…
regardless of the level of muslim non-muslim crime. It does not make the Racism in the US any less. I still disagree with the statement that the US is the least racist country in the world.
June 23rd, 2006 at 7:55 pmkeep going with the racism card. someday all this “diversity” will destroy “America”. A racist to the left is anybody who dares criticize anybody who is non-white.
June 23rd, 2006 at 9:22 pmI find it ironic that liberal-progressives defend muslim extremists. here you have group of people that make Pat robertson and Jerry Falwell look like moderates when it comes to religious, freedom, women’s rights, free speech and gay rights. If you thin Bush is a fascist wait until you have to live under sharia or islamic law.
it is really funny that a group of people who refer to themselves as progressive would try to defend Islamic terrorists.
I don’t defend extremists as much as you do jackass.
June 23rd, 2006 at 9:52 pmIs it me or is this discussion was supposed to be about Bruce standing up to Soledad O’Brien’s spin words before Jason Hendler decided to sabotage this topic by bringing up some of his hot air.
Let’s get back to the topic. And Jason, if you can’t think of anything to say anymore about this subject, BACK OFF!
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:26 pm“Present company included…”
Calling a spade a spade. Soledad is the dumbest bitch on cable except for Katie Couric.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:56 pm“Present company included…”
That’s putting soledad in her place. She is an idiot. A partisan, hateful idiot who thinks smiling makes her nice.
June 23rd, 2006 at 11:57 pmAfter the BoSox won the Series, who objected when Curt Shilling announced on national TV “Vote Bush!” Maybe proferssional athletes know more than musicians?
June 24th, 2006 at 12:12 ami tell ya what, jimbo – when jason showed up at 1:50pm with this line – Bruce Springsteen strikes me as an idiot savant – i knew it was a goner… hate when that happens…
i found a longer clip at eschaton… i picked up a line i missed earlier, right after the ‘common sense” remark… he said “you get me started, i’ll be glad to go” – i liked that…
he also says “by 2 1/2 hours in i’ve earned a minute or two” (to voice his opinion) – damn right.
sadly, it’s past my bedtime… g’nite
June 24th, 2006 at 12:17 ami should mention that i found that eschaton link at crooksandliars…
June 24th, 2006 at 12:23 amsome other links there also: Bruce Springsteen on CNN
Springsteen vs. Coulter, O’Brien…
Few could put Ann Coulter and Soledad O’Brien in their places in such short order, but Bruce Springsteen did it:O’BRIEN: In 2004 you came out very strongly in support of John Kerry and performed with him – your fellow guitarist,…
June 24th, 2006 at 12:28 amMr.Jason M. Hendler was so kind to share his ‘wisdom’ with all of us today. 49 posts, covering a wide array of topics. Based on his ‘experience’, I think he deserves his own show on Fox News. He would be PERFECT. Then he can have Tobey Keith and Anne Coulter on and they can ‘dish’ away! His… talents are certainly wasted here, since we are so blinded by our ‘hate’, dontch’a know.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:23 am[...] A million thanks to Christian for telling me about this. I’d missed it completely. Bruce Springsteen sat down recently with CNN’s Soledad O’Brien to discuss the criticism he’s gotten for taking a strong political stand. Naturally, O’Brien acted like the clueless, gutless dingbat she is – like all media mouthpieces these days, sad to say. Springsteen took a little shot at Ann Coulter, laughed at the idea that a musician shouldn’t be involved in politics, and in the process called O’Brien an “idiot” – and… and… she didn’t even seem to get it. Reading and listening to this, two thoughts kept running through my mind: One, Bruce Springsteen is a national treasure, and it’s a damned shame our Democratic leadership doesn’t have his backbone. Two, Edward R. Murrow must be screaming in his grave. Link to the transcript and video. From Think Progress, via AMERICAblog. [link] [...]
June 24th, 2006 at 1:35 amyeah springsteen is a “treasure” alright. so lets bury him and see if anyone can find him. he is just another liberal mouthpiece looking to sell records to his moonbat fanbase. Have not you “progressives” heard , nobody likes liberals anymore?? keep on rockin with the hypocrite chickenshit left !!
June 24th, 2006 at 9:36 amI myself fall within the range of Autistic Spectral Disorders – Asperger Syndrome, and can recognize some of the symptoms.
…
I WOULD listen intently, should he ever speaks about how he creates music, an area in which he IS brilliant.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Jason, I’m not wading through this chaos to find out if this was said to you already, so forgive me if this has already been said. If indeed you are diagnosed with Asperger’s Syndrome, then you understand the wide spectrum of this developmental disorder, and have probably been witness to, or have read about, savant behavior (idiot savant is a term no longer used, FYI). Savants are gifted in one or two particular areas, such as mathmatics, music, following maps, train schedules, etc., to the exclusion of virtually every other life skill. Bruce Springsteen is quite obviously a musical prodigy — a VAST difference from a savant.
Jus in case you’re wondering if I’m qualified to have an opinion in this area — I’m the mother of a 24 year old man with autism.
June 24th, 2006 at 11:09 amThe Boss needs better media coverage!
June 24th, 2006 at 11:12 amJason,
Musical prodigies are generally able to function independently in the world, savants are not. Springsteen simply seems more able to articulately express himself in his music, rather than with the spoken word.
I’m simply expressing my opinion here, Jason, I don’t have to be right. Do you?
June 24th, 2006 at 12:01 pmdon’t do it, please don’t do it…
June 24th, 2006 at 12:02 pmi beg of you all…
do not dignify it with any response…
sigh …. too late…
June 24th, 2006 at 12:03 pmi don’t mean to be rude…
June 24th, 2006 at 12:29 pmgood morning zookeeper! that was an excellent COMMENT @#376…
i like cyra’s also @#373…
good day all!
# 380,381,382.—It would seem to me that you dignified Jason H.with many responses earler in this thread;until you were ignored.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:03 pmif you think that springsteen is a savant or prodigy then you probably think Helen Thomas is a swimsuit model and Maureen Dowd is sexy.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:08 pmSpringsteen did not call O’Brien an idiot to her face. He was being self-effacing, as always, and was referring to himself. If only the right wing commentators could have that much modesty and could tolerate critiques and other perspectives, perhaps “idiot” would no longer be an appropriate term.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:46 pmapropos to the topic:
Reba pulls a Bill O’Reilly while trying to explain her beef with the Chicks”
from LiberalCountryFan.com
“There are more of us than you think…”
yee-haw!
June 24th, 2006 at 2:39 pmThanks, katy; :)
June 24th, 2006 at 3:06 pmSorry, katy; :(
Great link, katy; and
Reba is a lipless clueless bitch. :P
thanks for the laugh, zoo!
June 24th, 2006 at 3:19 pm(you don’t have to apologize either, ever)
oh – for the record – while i went through my country music phase in the 70s (when disco took over), and still appreciate “real” country (melt to waylon, even george jones, and oooh patsy…), i gotta tell ya – i found that link at crooksandliars.com… oh, i am a big fan of the Chicks, but “i’ve got a rock”n’roll heart”…
June 24th, 2006 at 3:28 pmI always am somewhat amused that Leftists think that the right to express their opinion is sacred — and the expression of contrary views makes one a hate-filled idiot who should be silenced or disregarded.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:10 pmProjection – n.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:23 pm8. Psychology.
a. The attribution of one’s own attitudes, feelings, or suppositions to others: “Even trained anthropologists have been guilty of unconscious projection of clothing the subjects of their research in theories brought with them into the field†(Alex Shoumatoff).
b. The attribution of one’s own attitudes, feelings, or desires to someone or something as a naive or unconscious defense against anxiety or guilt.
[...] Here’s video of Bruce being interviewed on CNN yesterday morning. You tell ‘em, Boss. [...]
June 24th, 2006 at 5:51 pm#391 Katy
June 24th, 2006 at 10:07 pmProjection
c. a primary political tool of the neoconservative movement, used in
#391 Katy
June 24th, 2006 at 10:07 pmProjection
c. a primary political tool of the neoconservative movement, used in
#391 Katy
June 24th, 2006 at 10:07 pmProjection
c. a primary political tool of the neoconservative movement, used in
Geez, my computer went NUTS! Sorry. To finish “used to dispel confrontation of their biases, beliefs, and positions”.
June 24th, 2006 at 10:09 pm“ommon sense”- one more reason you are still the Boss!
June 25th, 2006 at 4:23 pmWhy do Fascist/Republicans hate America and the rest of the World?
Anti war, Pro Democrat.
because liberals are all too happy to USE celebrity for their ends (as opposed to reasoned arguements) – Jason (?)
Britney Spears.
June 26th, 2006 at 7:38 amyep, Britney Spears is one. More–Jessica Simpson, Nick Lachey, various other country music artists, Ron Silver
June 26th, 2006 at 12:27 pmI’m a Canadian and a constant voyeur into the car wreck that is the American political system. I cringe every time Bush speaks about the spread of Liberty, freedom haters etc. I listen to Anne Coulters frothing invective and I feel sorry the hate consumed people who she represents. The oil industry and the US government are essentially the same thing. Republican talking points fill the air in America and, thanks to the lapdog msm, are absorbed into the bloodstream like a slow working poison. Diebold election fixing. No bid contracts in Iraq. Plamegate. Its all exhausting and excruciating to witness.
June 26th, 2006 at 1:22 pmThe knee jerk reaction I’ll get is “mind you own business you self righteous Canadian” At least consider this..in the eyes of your northern brothers & sisters, democracy is on life support in America.
Wow, I can not believe O’Brien. What a bunch of idiotic questions!
I am part of Mr. Springsteen audience and if he did not give his opinion I would not listen to him any more.
Who in the world would think that a politician could say more valuable things to this country than a musician or a plumber or a carpenter or a computer programmer or a housewife or a high school student etc…. I think Bruce should be shouting his opinion at the top of his lungs. That is what I am doing. The more non-humans like Coulter speak up the more I raise my voice. After hearing what has been happening in DC and in controlled media, 85% of the politicians and journalists and radio hosts and tv announcers and newspaper editors rank lower than Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dalmer. They are responsible for 300 billions going into the pocket of the defense companies, contractors, haliburton etc. They are responsible for 2500+ American deaths. They are responsible for 50,000+ Iraqis dead. Dalmer and Bundy kiled 50 people. Let’s put these people in perspective. They are responsible for keeping quiet the uranium coated shell catastrophe happening in Iraq, for keeping quiet and allowing this administration to push for no more open government etc. Look it up on the internet. The internet talks about the 25 huge stories that are happening right now in 2006 which are being censored. Please do yourself a favor and look at this list and spread the news far and wide because the corporate owned media doesn’t want you to know. Here it is:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/katinmn/62
I would call it democratic overground.
Its in more detail on many more places on the internet. And you can even buy a book on it.
Please shout at the top of your lungs Mr. Springsteen and all the rest of you Americans.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:36 pmSince when were musicians-or anyone else-supposed to keep their opinions to themselves. At first his laughter put mre off then I realized that he was laughing at her ridiculous premise that money buys silence. Bring it on Bruce! Bring it on Neil. Let’s all get angry!
June 26th, 2006 at 7:35 pmSince when were musicians-or anyone else-supposed to keep their opinions to themselves. At first his laughter put mre off then I realized that he was laughing at her ridiculous premise that money buys silence. Bring it on Bruce! Bring it on Neil. Let’s all get angry!
June 26th, 2006 at 7:35 pmBruce
You came a across like a bubbly idiot. I really really do like you, I have followed you throughout the years but you did come across like a bubbly idiot.
You have every right to state your opinion but please, say it differently. You would have come across more credible. And please do not offend the person doing an interview with you.
Mari
June 26th, 2006 at 8:33 pmBruce
You came a across like a bubbly idiot. I really really do like you, I have followed you throughout the years but you did come across like a bubbly idiot.
You have every right to state your opinion but please, say it differently. You would have come across more credible. And please do not offend the person doing an interview with you.
Mari
June 26th, 2006 at 8:33 pmI’m disgusted with the lack of response to the “seven terrorists” arrested in Florida, and also the people who are completely misunderstanding Bruce’s “glib” manner in responding to Soledad.
On Bruce’s manner, he was not yelling, he was not being vindictive, he was not accusing, he was not mean-spirited, he was approaching the insinuated presumption that musicians have no voice in politics (when in fact, musicians have helped spur protests), in a comfortable, and non-threatening manner. The EXACT opposite people like ann coulter who is a lawyer turned milliionaire from saying things such as we should kill fellow American vet John Murtha. Where is the outrage of Robertson calling for the assasination of a political enemy of the US? He’s a freakin televangelist whack job, making money off of African goldmines. Please.
Consider this wisely:
5 years after 9/11,after erosion of our civil liberties (free-speech zones?!?!), what “terrorists” have we caught? Oh, you refer to the 7 incompetent, witchcraft practicing black Americans? The ones with no funding, no equipment, no ties to al qaida, no ties to Iraq, no ties to anything other than stupidity, and (reprinted from crooks and liars) STOP SENSATIONALIZING THIS CRAP, as AMERICANS YOU HAVE MORE OF A CHANCE OF GETTING KILLED UNDER THE DEATH PENALTY THAN GETTING KILLED BY A TERRORIST. Damn people.
The boys who cried wolf
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By any reasonable measure, the Bush administration’s track record on exposing dangerous terrorist plots isn’t terribly impressive. When Abu Zubaydah was captured in Pakistan in March 2002, the president described him as al Queda’s chief of operations and emphasized the significance of his capture. Bush was wrong. The plot to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge wasn’t quite what it was cracked up to be. Jose Padilla was not actually prepared to detonate a dirty bomb in DC. Former Homeland Security chief Tom Ridge eventually conceded that flimsy evidence led the administration to raise the threat level in 2004.
So when news reports surfaced this week that federal officials had nabbed seven terrorists training in Miami to, among other things, attack the Sears Tower in Chicago, it seemed like great news and a key development in protecting Americans from terrorists on U.S. soil. But then there’s that track record to consider, which reminds us that administration announcements like these aren’t always what they appear. The media treated the capture of the “Miami 7″ as a very big deal, but was it?
Maybe not.
A plot to topple the Sears Tower in Chicago and attack the F.B.I. headquarters in Miami was “more aspirational than operational,” a top bureau official said Friday, a day after seven Florida men were arrested on terrorism charges. […]
News of the arrests touched off widespread television coverage of the plot against the Sears Tower, one of the tallest buildings in the world. But details of the indictment disclosed Friday at news conferences in Washington and Miami presented a less alarming picture.
“Less alarming” seems like a more-than-fair description. These alleged terrorists had no weapons, no bombs, no expertise, and no money. They didn’t behave or operate as terrorists. They apparently swore an oath of allegiance to Osama bin Laden, but it now appears possible that the FBI informant who infiltrated the group had suggested the idea. For that matter, these guys weren’t even Muslims, but instead practiced their own hybrid religion that combined Islam and Christianity.
Their “plots” against the United States were “embryonic at best.” The New York Daily News described the group, which was more a cult than a terrorist network, as the “7 Boobs.”
Just to be clear, I’m not saying that the capture of these lunatics is trivial. These people clearly wanted to kill innocent people and commit domestic terrorist attacks. Intelligence officials deserve kudos for infiltrating the group and stopping these would-be terrorists before they became dangerous.
June 27th, 2006 at 1:08 amThat said, anyone who claims that the administration just broke up a plot to attack the Sears Tower is overstating what’s occurred here. The “Miami 7″ could hardly attack a convenience store.
Moreover, this seems to be a pattern with the Bush gang. There’s a major announcement that receives blanket coverage about terrorist plots — which turns out to be far less significant than advertised. Dick Cheney said yesterday that this cult in Miami was “a very real threat.” Except, after scratching beneath the surface just a little, there’s ample reason to believe that’s not the case.
Chalk up one more example of the boys who cry wolf….
“My most effective means to serve this president is right here in this chatroom and not in the middle east. Were you willing to enlist when Clinton dove into Bosnia and Somolia?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 3:15 pm
A fart in a whirlwind, as it were. And what does anyone else’s action or inaction have to do with you ? Is your morality situational? Obviously so.
Your “service” probably won’t win you any ribbons – but all that valor in the face of all them dreded LIBERALS. You my hero.
And you’re a Christian? Sure. Right. Only you left out the modifier, Cafeteria
June 27th, 2006 at 4:23 pmRE: 197 “Au contrair, liberal judges on the Supreme Court are trying to expand the power of eminant domain of local / state governments, pushing towards communal land ownership and abolition of private property.”
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 23, 2006 @ 3:25 pm
Just for the record, it was this so-called conservative Supreme Court which just signed off on eminent domain. And that POS besmirching our White House that you worship used it at least twice when he was governor of Texas.
Nothing much more Socialist than eminent domain and tax support for the Texas Rangers.
Communism by any other name, even Bushism, is still, ah, er ummm, commune ism or collectivism. You may be a real hat-wearing engineer, but your messages are a walking talking ignorant aglomeration of bigotry and prejudice when it comes to culture, civics, political and economic systems. Everything which fails to fit into your narrow view of the world is LIBERAL and therefore evil and the cause of all the ills of the world.
I recall people such as you screaming “outside agitator, pinko-commie, maggot infected fagot, n-word lover” referring to the people trying to help blacks register to vote in the deep south.
Still screaming at the wind and looking for scapegoats to blame for your lot in life. Sad.
June 27th, 2006 at 5:09 pm251: “…now that communism has been shown to be such an utter failure. That doesn’t stop a lot of Hollywood actors/psychos from joining Communist-funded activities,…”
Comment by Darius T. — June 23, 2006 @ 4:23 pm
It’s an utter failure, but they are still funding.
What pathetic failure in logic.
June 27th, 2006 at 6:37 pmI have been a Bruce fan since 1974 when some college friends from Jersey turned me on to him….and seeing him stand up and speak his mind is even better than Born to Run…if that is possible. Bravo Bruce!!!!! On the same note…while I dislike country music, I have purchaced 2 Dixie Chicks CD’s since they had the guts to speak out….to a largly conservative audience in the country music fan. Reminds me a bit of the mid 60’s when the musicians led the way in sheding some light on Vietnam. Was just a teen then….but it sure feels the same. Keep up the good work!!
June 27th, 2006 at 11:51 pmYea…look what that got us. Record growth, budget surplus, stoppig genocide in Bosnia, gas prices around $1.00 a gallon, tax cuts for MOST Amercians, real welfare reform, more cops on the streets, and a great rep for the United States throughout most of the planet. Wow….what a drag. I like it much better now that we have record deficits, a war that has no end in sight, almost the entire world hates us, real tax cuts for a FEW americans, rising intrest rates, an administration caught in so many lies it is hard to keep count…and about a lot more important things than sex, and a congress that with all this happening thinks their biggest problem is if gays marry or is someone torches the flag. Wow…please may I have ANOTHER 8 years of this crap…thinhg are going soooo well under one party rule.
June 28th, 2006 at 12:12 amYeall.ook where it got us. Record growth, gas around a dollar a gallon, low intrest rates, stoppimng genocide in Bosnia, great reputation for the country around the world, real welfare reform, a budget SURPLUS for the first time in 40 years, and a president that actually put a coherent sentence together. Yea….I really hated the Clinton years. MUCH better now that we are in a war with no end in sight, have an administration that lies like it is second nature…and about a lot more serious matters than sex, big brother spying on americans, an administration that is in the pockets of big oil nd think nothing of inviting them to teh White House to help set the agenda for our country….in seceret, rising intrest rates, record deficits, tax cuts that directly help mostly the wealthy, health insurance that has more than doubled since 2000, and a planet that hates our country …and a congress who, amid all this, finds the most troubling things to be that a couple of gays might marry and burn a flag at the reception. Yea boy…..give me 8 more years of this crap….I can hardly wait.
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July 1st, 2006 at 10:25 pmWhy do I keep hearing, “Bush lied!” and not, “Hillary lied!!” or “Kerry lied” when they voted for the same war with the same intelligence as the former administration and the international community. Where was the outcry from you bleeding liberals over the victims of Saddam’s mass murders. Google Saddam and Stalin and you will find they share the same philosophy regarding control of their citizenry. Google the news and find stories where WMD’s were found and tapes/documents from Saddam’s own records point to a connection with Al-qaeda and Hamas. How about the precious “oil for food” scandal at the UN? A wealth of info at your fingertips and the lefties still come across like fools with your idiot talking points. Marxism is a proven failed ideology and yet they still speak of Trotsky as a hero. Canadians and Brits, your political system is no picnic, either! Shall we dare tell you how to run your affairs? Let’s try to at least focus on the bad guys who would love to separate our infidel heads from our bodies while singing praise to Allah! Good luck and good night!
August 6th, 2006 at 3:39 amHush little baby, don’t cry like that!
God’s gonna buy you a cadillac.
He’s chosen you to do his will,
you can spread the word in your coup de ville!
So go jump in the river
and learn to swim.
God’s gonna wash away all your sins.
And if you still can’t see the light,
god’s gonna buy you a satellite!
Look to the heavens
and see it shine.
Heals the sick and leads the blind!
Tune it in and hear it say
it’s countin’ down to judgement day!
Hey satellite man your time has come
your word received by everyone.
And should you fall, well, that’s ok.
You loved the ones that you betrayed!
So go jump in the river
and learn to swim.
God’s gonna wash away all your sins.
And when at last you see the light
God’s gonna buy you a SATELLITE!
Look to the heavens and see it shine.
September 10th, 2006 at 3:13 pmTYPICAL COMMIE BACKWASH. NOTHING LIKE ATTACKING THE COMMANDER IN CHIEF DURING A TIME OF WAR. NOTHING LIKE GIVING COMFORT TO ENEMY IN TIME OF WAR. MR. SPRINGSTEEN, KEEP DESTROYING THE MORAL OF OUR TROOPS WHILE YOU SIT IN YOUR MANSION IN RUMSON AND BATHE IN THE GLOW OF YOUR CULT LIKE FANS. THE MEN AND WOMEN OF OUR ARMED FORCES WILL BE LAYING DOWN THEIR LIVES THIS HOLIDAY SEASON SO YOU REMAIN SECURE. DISMISS ISLAMIC FASCISM, PRETEND WE ARE IN NO DANGER. AND GO TO SLEEP TONIGHT KNOWING SOMEONE ELSE’S SON OR DAUGHTER HAS PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE FOR YOU AND YOUR RECORD COMPANY.
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