Bolton Attacks U.N. Human Rights Official For Criticizing Flawed Administration Policies
Bolton Attacks U.N. Human Rights Official For Criticizing Flawed Administration Policies
Yesterday, U.N. High Commissioner for Human Rights Louise Arbour sharply criticized some of the tactics being employed in the war on terror, reminding all nations — including the United States — that they are constrained by an “absolute ban on torture and the right to a fair trial.” She added, “It is vital that at all times Governments anchor in law their response to terrorism.”
U.S. Ambassador John Bolton immediately slammed Arbour’s “misplaced priorities“:
For all the human rights problems in the world in places like North Korea and Iran and so on, to go after the United States and Israel — it is business as usual from the U.N. human rights machinery.
But just a month earlier, Bolton’s own deputy stated that the “U.N. human rights machinery” exists to inform all member states — including the U.S. — of their international duties and obligations:
The human rights machinery of the United Nations exists to assist UN Member States to meet their international obligations. Reflecting our strong support for human rights, the United States places a great deal of importance on the effective and efficient functioning of human rights bodies. … The United States holds the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights in high regard and believes it has the potential to make even greater contributions to the protection of human rights around the world.
Bolton has once again shown he is willing to throw international cooperation by the wayside and employ double standards in order to defend flawed Bush administration policies.
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“flawed Bush administration policies” is correct. With leaders like Bolton, who needs terrorists for boogey men? That fool is equal parts sleazy, corrupt, manipulative and “factually challenged.” Along with Santorum, DeLay, Cunningham, and Ney the poster-boy for the lying, sleazy, corrupt, manipulative and factually-challenged dunces who’ve been running this country for the past few years.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:41 pmIf Bolton is Bush’s idea of a good ambassador to the UN, why on earth didn’t he make Ann Coulter Secretary of State?
June 24th, 2006 at 1:44 pmAgain – when lacking the ability to refute facts, neocons resort to ad hominem attacks, name-calling and blatant lies…
June 24th, 2006 at 1:53 pmLooks like Bolton is giving a “shout-out” to Carol Burnett. I always figured Bolton was really Tim Conway in costume.
June 24th, 2006 at 1:59 pmNote to the Bolt: When your best argument is “we’re not as bad as (fill in the blank)” then you have lost the high ground. Of course, your tendency towards shouting and blowhardery proves you already know this.
June 24th, 2006 at 2:27 pmI really want the opinion of the guy who totally botched up our dialoque with North Korea that is leading to more macho saber-rattling by the pychos in charge of both our countries.
June 24th, 2006 at 2:42 pmHe’s out of the UN in january:)
recently bolton tried to get Annan to repudiate perfectly valid points from one of his deputies. The problem? The deputy wanted all member states to explain the benefits of the UN – not just the negatives (which the US has a habit of doing). Apparently that hit a raw nerve.
June 24th, 2006 at 2:49 pmBolton lets the US and the world see that he is a sick crazy man. The US broke the international law by killing and tortureing prisoners. The secret jails now that Al Qeada has started using Bush policy on prisoners Bolton calls it wrong. We are getting what we give out. Bolton is not qualified for the job and his conduct is showing that. This is just another example of Bush appointees learning on the job. We will suffer for that mistake.
June 24th, 2006 at 2:50 pmJohn Bolten: putting the ASS in ambASSador.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:03 pmLet us Remember that Bolton was appointed ILLEGALLY as a recess appointment, of which recess appointments ARE only for vacencies THAT OCURR during a recess, NOT (as used by the Traitor-in-chief) as a way to circumvent the Constitutionally mandated senated confirmation hearings.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:16 pmHe is a criminal from day one, and should be tried as an enemy of the state.
Typical American bullsh*t. Rules? Rules? Rules do not apply to us!! We could have won the World Cup if soccer was being played by these “real life” rules.
The only reason the US has not been able to define the term “terrorism” is that it is impossible to define it in ways which do not point to the US as being the biggest exponent of terrorism in the world. Sometimes when Bush talks about “these people want to spread their hateful ideology through the use of violence, destruction and the murder of innocent civilians…….â€, I wonder if he realizes that the description applies to us and not to the Iraqis who are making our occupation of Iraq impossible.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:19 pmI appreciate ThinkProgress exposing the neocons and liars. But your superb reporting of what they are getting away with IN SPITE OF YOUR VALIANT EFFORTS is depressing.
I would feel a lot better about reading ThinkProgress if exposes of their travesties were mixed more evenly with at least some encouraging news about the progressive side. I want to hear what I can do to help.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:22 pmback to bolton, I agree the man should have never been appointed and would not have normally been. He’s too adversarial and too biased. Not to mention a he’s a Coulter Republican.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:24 pmJohn Bolton is pushing hard to reform a corrupt and ineffective institution – the UN. The UN will continue to scream and hollar as he presses them for action against Iran’s nuclear program and North Korea’s ICBM program.
I have been stunned by the progress he has already made bringing the security council to bear on Iran, which wouldn’t have happened if the US hadn’t unilaterally taken down Iraq, and then placed Bolton at the UN to follow up “diplomatically”.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:27 pmBolton is an embarassement to the species and should face international censure as a provocatuer.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:32 pmJason –
Lemme get this straight… If we do it, it’s blessed by god. If anyone else does it – they are the evil spawn of Satan himself?
Dude, you need a better philosophy if you goal isn’t to piss off everyone who isn’t you.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:32 pm#14 – Jason, sweetie darling, what unbelievable said in #16.
Hi unbelievable, how’s it going? It’s a beautiful day in Idaho, not a cloud in the sky, forecast 90 degrees, so guess what? I’m outta here, have fun with sweet Jason.
June 24th, 2006 at 3:36 pmP.S. The Mormon missionaries have been lurking in my neighborhood, and I remain hopeful I can act on your dare. :-D
#16, unbelieveable, #17, zookeeper,
John Bolton’s work to thwart Iran’s nuclear program has earned him a nomination for the Nobel Peace prize – isn’t that one of the holy sacrements of the liberal religion?
June 24th, 2006 at 3:47 pmJason–where was Bolton when we needed his advice in “thwarting” Iraq’s nuclear arsenal that was 45-minutes away from mushroom clouds over US soil? If he’s such a strong diplomat, why wasn’t he unanimously voted in last year? If you have to come to a left-leaning blog to defend the honor of a shit-bag like Bolton you need to get a hobby. Remind your GOP pals: Osama Bin Laden, not Saddam Hussein, killed Americans on American soil.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:00 pmThe Mormon missionaries have been lurking in my neighborhood, and I remain hopeful I can act on your dare. :-D
Comment by Zookeeper — June 24, 2006 @ 3:36 pm
Poor Elder Joshua has no idea what is in store for him…. :) Keep us posted.
90 in Idaho is like 78 here. We’re officially, however, thanks to Global Warming, in the ‘Hell’ portion of summer where you can’t stay outside for long between noon and six p.m. without a pool (which I don’t have at present). This is exactly why I want to live in Seattle. Unfortunately my job is here. For now.
Enjoy the nice weather.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:08 pmJason,
I couldn nominate you as well – but it doesn’t mean you’d get it. Let’s talk if he does…
June 24th, 2006 at 4:11 pmWeapons of Mass Destruction – who has possession of these?
Lets start with the nation that has the largest stockpile of WMDs – United States of America. Now include Russia, China, Isreal, France, India, Pakistan and North Korea. Did I miss any?
Next question, which nation used the atomic bomb to kill citizens? – United States of America
The USA invades Iraq, Isreal, Russia, Pakistan and India have nuclear weapons, it is no wonder that Iran wants to develop its nuclear program. Anyone capable of thinking can figure that one out.
Besides, John Bolton is just another Cheney appointed coward sucking on the tit of our government.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:12 pmOh, and Jason, so far, peace with Iran is still debatable…
June 24th, 2006 at 4:12 pm#19, above the clouds,
Liberals were NEVER going to support Bolton, because they knew how hard he would push the UN to reform, and liberals like the UN just the way it is – impotent. Shreeking about Bolton’s appointment, which was necessary to bypass the Democrat’s filibusters, has almost NO weight compared to Bolton’s nomination for the Nobel Peace prize – you got nothing. Democratic filibustering is purely obstructionist, whereas the international community recognizes his efforts by nominating him for the Nobel Peace prize.
Iraq’s destabilizing behaviour in the region is sufficient for me to warrant regime change and processing for crimes against humanity. As for Osama, his day will come.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:15 pmWhy exactly is a country with 3000 nukes so worried about anyone else having just one?
Could it be because just maybe they’ll all point them at us at the same time?
I wonder why? (Hint: They are NOT jealous of our work-a-holic nation).
June 24th, 2006 at 4:16 pm#14 – the US has NOT taken down Iraq. Unless you mean that we now occupy and rule Iraq, it is still a sovereign nation.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:18 pmIraq’s destabilizing behaviour in the region is sufficient for me to warrant regime change and processing for crimes against humanity.
Is this excuse nine or ten for attacking Iraq? I can’t keep them all straight.
As for Osama, his day will come.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 24, 2006 @ 4:15 pm
We’re not holding our breath waiting on you guys to catch the boogeyman you created. And don’t expect us to applaud you if you ever do get around to cleaning up your own mess.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:19 pm#21 & #23, unbelieveable,
I believe you would agree that an Oscar nomination is a positive indication of exceptional work, whether the actor wins or not. So too, a nomination for a Nobel Peace prize is a positive indication of exceptional work, which against the backdrop of Democratic filibustering, proves Democrats are obstructionists to reforming the corrupt UN.
Yes, we will see how the Iran situation works out, but the international community is in agreement regarding the threat, and has recognized John Bolton’s work to move this issue to the front burner and deal with it.
Substantive progress and results are the bane of liberals. Libya has suspended their nuclear weapons desires and re-established diplomatic ties with the US. Lebanon has kicked out the Syrian backers of a corrupt government. Afghanistan and Iraq are now ruled by Democratically elected governments. Democratcy and stability are taking root in the middle east, in spite of the efforts of insurgents.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:23 pmJason – it’s time for your next koolaid fix. Bet your momma has one waiting for you in the kitchen.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:23 pm#29, fab,
… and that is what passes for intellectual debate among “progressives” …
You make me laugh.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:26 pmDemocracy in Afghanistan and Iraq are on very shaky ground, to say the least. The Taliban is creeping back into control in Afghanistan and now there is Shia against Shia in the south of Iraq. It’s a long stretch to even think that these nations are stable.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:28 pm#30 – you lack creative thinking. Comment #29 was a polite way of telling you to go back to your right wing blogs. You are not a progressive so your statement about “intelligent debate among progressives” doesn’t work here at TP. Key word is “among”. You are a reactionary so you can’t debate as a progressive.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:34 pm#31, fab,
Note that I said democracy and stability are taking root, not firmly established. It will take time to hold off the insurgencies while both those nations develop their security forces.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:35 pmJohn Bolton Nominated for 2006 Nobel Peace Prize. . .
By Steve Clemons | bio
I’m not kidding.
I’ve just been doing some research on former Swedish Deputy Prime Minister and Liberal Party Leader Per Ahlmark who has committed this strange offense and nominated both John Bolton and Kenneth Timmerman for exposing Iran’s “repeated lying” to the International Atomic Energy Agency about its burgeoning nuclear effort.
European Liberals are sometimes liberal, but mostly libertarian — and tend to look at the United Nations as a corrupt, inefficient foe of individual liberty and thus something that should be shaken apart. Some of them anyway.
…
Bolton won’t win. There would be a global uproar — but I have to write more about this soon. It’s just too fun.
In the meantime, someone get a note to Per Ahlmark that if someone deserves credit for the Proliferation Security Initiative — which Ahlmark is noting as the primary reason for Bolton’s nomination — it is Bolton’s current successor, Robert Joseph. Other heroes in that effort were former Assistant Secretary of State John Wolf, former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, and former State Department official David Asher.
According to one senior State Department official, “despite the late-in-the-day enthusiasm Bolton showed for PSA, he slept through the creation and development of PSA and took credit after many others put the coalition together.”
More on this later. I haven’t even gotten to the odd connection of Ahlmark to the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA).
June 24th, 2006 at 4:36 pm#32, fab,
If you want to know my political leanings, they are centrist libertarian and I voted for Perot twice. In what manner do you consider me reactionary?
June 24th, 2006 at 4:37 pmNominations for the prize may be made by a broad array of qualified individuals…The nominations are kept secret by the committee which asks that nominators do the same. Over time many individuals have become known as “Nobel Peace Prize Nominees”, but this designation has no official standing [2]. Nominations from 1901 to 1951 have been released in a database. When the past nominations were released it was discovered that Adolf Hitler was once nominated in 1939, though the nomination was retracted in February of the same year. Other infamous nominees included Joseph Stalin and Benito Mussolini.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:50 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize
So, “unbelievable” considers Osama Bin Laden to be a mere “boogeyman.” Fascinating. Hmmm…maybe if he had been in New York City on September 11, 2001, he would think differently….
Moreover, he states he won’t applaud when the murderer of 3,000 innocent people is brought to justice…Well, that IS indeed “unbelievable.”
June 24th, 2006 at 4:52 pmNote that I said democracy and stability are taking root, not firmly established. It will take time to hold off the insurgencies while both those nations develop their security forces.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 24, 2006 @ 4:35 pm
Amazing.
I bet if you were drowning you’d describe as being “well hydrated”.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:56 pmBolton is just confirming what everyone said all along.
He is the LAST man that ought to be representing the US to the rest of the world.
June 24th, 2006 at 4:57 pmIt will take time to hold off the insurgencies while both those nations develop their security forces.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 24, 2006 @ 4:35 pm
Well get your boots on. What are you waiting for.
You can’t sit here writing white papers on wireless communications or whatever it is you do. You’ve got to get your patriotic stay the course ass over there, and hold them off.
I mean, you don’t expect other people to do it for you, do you?
June 24th, 2006 at 4:59 pmSo, “unbelievable†considers Osama Bin Laden to be a mere “boogeyman.†Fascinating. Hmmm…maybe if he had been in New York City on September 11, 2001, he would think differently….
Such the literalist. I am always surprised how I have to explain the obvious to the demented…. Osama is Bush’s boogeyman. It’s why he is still at largestriking fear nto Americans so he can mainpulate them with his boogeyman. Clear?
By the way, for the second time, I’m not a he. Know your memory isn’t as good as most peoples… why you can fall for the jingling of the car keys everytime you silly dog… but try to catch up.
Moreover, he states he won’t applaud when the murderer of 3,000 innocent people is brought to justice…Well, that IS indeed “unbelievable.â€
Comment by Exley — June 24, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
No, I won’t applaud YOU when he is captured. You really have nothing don’t you – so twist and twist and hope that works. Not around here.
Question is will you appluad if the murders of, so far, 2500 American soldiers and 10’s of thousands of Iraqis is ever brought to justice?
June 24th, 2006 at 5:01 pmJason M. Hendler hmmmm
Is this you?
http://www.skycross.com/Technology/Whitepapers/Diversity_in_WLAN_Devices.pdf
http://www.uspto.gov/web/patents/patog/week39/OG/html/1298-4/US06950066-20050927.html
or this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/5005598.stm
“Pan-Africanism will happen, but not in the hands of black Africans. Arabs will become the majority population in the north and north east, and Chinese / Indians will be the dominant populations in the east and south east, moving westward. Once these populations establish themselves, Africa will become a stable and unified continent for trade.
Jason M. Hendler, Melbourne, Florida”
Either way, you nothing but an Apologista enabler of the sychophant bush. You will face the same fate as he and his administration.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:02 pmwell, shoot, un… i was hoping you’d keep it guessing a while longer, THEN lem ‘em know they got beat up by a girl! ah ha!
June 24th, 2006 at 5:03 pmLet us remember that Jason and those of his ilk are sent here to divert attention away from the ugly truth: Bush and his Administration are incompetent. Osama Bin Laden, not Saddam Hussein, killed Americans on American soil. Everything else is detail.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:04 pmJason.
Since you clearly don’t know what you are talking about…
The Academy nominates about 5 or 6 deserving receipients. The Nobel Prize is open to nominations:
“Nominations for the prize may be made by a broad array of qualified individuals, including former recipients, members of national assemblies and congresses, university professors, international judges, and special advisors to the prize committee. In some years as many as 199 nominations have been received.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_Peace_Prize
And, on occasion, they’ve gotten some non-deserving nominees (like Bolton):
“When the past nominations were released it was discovered that Adolf Hitler was once nominated in 1939, though the nomination was retracted in February of the same year. Other infamous nominees included Joseph Stalin and Benito Mussolini..”
June 24th, 2006 at 5:06 pmMoreover, he states he won’t applaud when the murderer of 3,000 innocent people is brought to justice…Well, that IS indeed “unbelievable.â€
Comment by Excremently — June 24, 2006 @ 4:52 pm
A. Unb is a “she”.
B. Not everyone in America is under the evil bloodlust of the devil that your gaggle of goons is under, putz.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:08 pmBut I will applaud the sound of the gavel at Nuremburg 2, when they introduce you to your new line of orange clothing, Herr Goebbells.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:10 pm#20 – “The Mormon missionaries have been lurking in my neighborhood, and I remain hopeful I can act on your dare.” :- Comment by Zookeeper
*****I have no doubt you will be able to act with great open-mindedness and good manners. THAT’s a dare worth trying….
On thread – The UN lost credibility with me when they had Human Rights GIANTS Libya, Cuba, etc. monitoring and admonishing other countries about rights and torture. (Call me cruel, I do not see the torture in sleep deprivation or loud obnoxious music .) My disgust with the organization reached a high with the rampant corruption of the “Oil for Food” program and the impotent, pathetic ignoring of the plight of the Rwandans. (Oil for Food – that program progs conveniently FORGET while chastising the US about “starving 500,000 Iraqi children.) But the true zenith of my disgust occurred with the sexual abuse of so many innocents. The “blue helmets” were sent to help, but it sounds like many of their soldiering skills center on “helping themselves”. With each country having ambassadors the UN is a GIANT waste of time AND $$$$. (Maybe if we finally quit paying the bill, the UN lovers will re-possess it??)Nah… the UN is an excellent repository for washed up diplomats.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:13 pmYou’re right MA.
Lets just dissolve our international diplomatic efforts if they aren’t perfect yet.
Just just toss out the baby with the bathwater.
Who needs diplomacy anyway?
We’ve got guns instead.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:15 pmMs. Unbelievable,
“Question is will you appluad if the murders of, so far, 2500 American soldiers and 10’s of thousands of Iraqis is ever brought to justice?”
I assume you meant, will I applaud if the murderERs ARE (not “is”) ever brought to justice (I realize your writing skills are not as good as most other people)
And to answer your question: Of course…I am all for the mission to hunt down and destroy the Al Qaeda and former Baathist terrorists who are responsible for the murders of our troops and the atrocities they have perpetrated against the Iraqi people, such as setting off car bombs in open-air markets and using suicide bombers to destroy mosques.
I assume you too will applaud when Al Qaeda/Baathist/Islamist terrorists are brought to justice.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:24 pmI assume you too will applaud when Al Qaeda/Baathist/Islamist terrorists are brought to justice.
Comment by Steaming Excrement — June 24, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
Everytime one of you lowbrow goosestepping pinheads tells us what we should applaud, and not applaud, I remember who the real enemy is.
You.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:30 pmFlavius – You conveniently forgot to mention that I LIKE the idea of each country having ambassadors – they can handle diplomacy with great aplomb. I just hate the wasteful rat hole of the UN. P.S. The baby drowned – it wouldn’t be neglect to toss that baby out with the water.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:31 pmP.S. I know you’re dying to know – Mini Aphrodite pitched a 4- hitter – they won 7-2. (Mr. A says that’s “very good” for Mini’s age division. Who knew?)Don’t ask me how many errors both team made – you don’t have enough fingers, HA!
Buy the way, is that a mustache on Doltons upper lip, or is he eating a skunk?
June 24th, 2006 at 5:32 pmI assume you meant, will I applaud if the murderERs ARE (not “isâ€) ever brought to justice (I realize your writing skills are not as good as most other people)
No, I was writing to your intellectual level. When I care and have a deserving audience, I have excellent grammar skills. The effort to pay attention is wasted on people like you.
And to answer your question: Of course…I am all for the mission to hunt down and destroy the Al Qaeda and former Baathist terrorists who are responsible for the murders of our troops and the atrocities they have perpetrated against the Iraqi people, such as setting off car bombs in open-air markets and using suicide bombers to destroy mosques.
I meant Bush. None of the other stuff would have occured had he not invaded the country.
I assume you too will applaud when Al Qaeda/Baathist/Islamist terrorists are brought to justice.
Comment by Exley — June 24, 2006 @ 5:24 pm
I don’t blame them. I blame Bush. He is the one who attacked a country that had neither threatened us nor the means to attack us. Why is that so impossible for you to see?
June 24th, 2006 at 5:32 pmFlavius – You conveniently forgot to mention that I LIKE the idea of each country having ambassadors – they can handle diplomacy with great aplomb. I just hate the wasteful rat hole of the UN.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 24, 2006 @ 5:31 pm
Ok.
You’ve got my attention.
Whats the plan?
June 24th, 2006 at 5:33 pmAnd what would you say to a party of the people representation in the UN, from every country?
In other words, a delegation representing the indigenous populations of each represented country, elected by the people of each country, having an equal vote to their government appointed counterparts?
June 24th, 2006 at 5:38 pm“Moreover, he states he won’t applaud when the murderer of 3,000 innocent people is brought to justice…Well, that IS indeed “unbelievable.â€
You might want to contact the FBI if you have proof.
http://valis.gnn.tv/blogs/15910/June_6_2006_FBI_says_No_hard_evidence_connecting_Bin_Laden_to_9_11
“On June 5, 2006, the Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Headquarters, (202) 324-3000, to learn why Bin Laden’s Most Wanted poster did not indicate that Usama was also wanted in connection with 9/11. The Muckraker Report spoke with Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI. When asked why there is no mention of 9/11 on Bin Laden’s Most Wanted web page, Tomb said, “The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11.â€
June 24th, 2006 at 5:41 pmThe PLAN is to discuss “give and take” with our friends or fairly neutral allies or “stick and carrot” with our enemies or country’s with whom we have a conflict. I am ALL for diplomacy – but as my friend Jason pointed out, f-o-u-r-t-e-e-n LOOOONG years of putting up with Saddam’s non-compliance with the 1991 Gulf War Cease Fire leaves the impression that many progs are not to be taken seriously in matters of foreign relations. Frankly, Progs and Dems could learn ALOT if they took a page out of the JFK anti-Communist playbook. He didn’t give in to them and they had great respect for him.
P.S. I’ll pass on yur hearty congrats to Mini
June 24th, 2006 at 5:41 pm“No, I was writing to your intellectual level. When I care and have a deserving audience, I have excellent grammar skills. The effort to pay attention is wasted on people like you”
Heh! Nice try…Look, I realize you are clearly embarassed by your display of appalling grammar and spelling. But don’t worry. I am sure you will do better next time.
As for the rest of your posting, I would say it is an excellent example of why the left loses election after election after election. The left sees the United States as evil and Al Qaeda, the perpetrators of 9/11, as brave resistance fighters. The vast majority of the American people reject that morally and intellectually bankrupt position.
Let me ask you this: Do you support the U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, which were launched in late 2001?
June 24th, 2006 at 5:42 pmMini Aphrodite pitched a 4- hitter – they won 7-2. (Mr. A says that’s “very good†for Mini’s age division. Who knew?)
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 24, 2006 @ 5:31 pm
I knew you were a security mom.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:42 pmThe left sees the United States as evil and Al Qaeda, the perpetrators of 9/11, as brave resistance fighters.
Comment by Turdly — June 24, 2006 @ 5:42 pm
Wrong again oberfuhrer scheisskopf.
Its not the United States.
Its just YOU.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:48 pmLet me ask you this: Do you support the U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, which were launched in late 2001?
Comment by Excremently — June 24, 2006 @ 5:42 pm
I don’t know about Unb, but I don’t support giving a 2 months head start and announcing it all over the tv for those two months like a bunch of damned fools.
And I don’t support sending a tiny understaffed underfunded force in to do a job that the entire Soviet military couldn’t do in 10 years.
Now if you had done it right, like you had a single freakin brain among the lot of you, then I would have supported it 110 percent.
Schmuck.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:55 pm“Would that be the cease fire terms negotiated by a republican president?”
Ummm, yeah. What’s your point? The problems were not with the terms of the cease-fire. It was with Saddam Hussein’s failure to abide by those terms and the failure of the Clinton Administration and the United Nations to enforce adequately the terms of that cease fire.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:58 pmAnd in case you didn’t notice there Rommel, we didn’t DO anything in Afghanistan yet.
Just get a lot of people killed so far.
When you’ve actually beaten the enemy over there, then you can run your mouth about Afghanistan.
June 24th, 2006 at 5:58 pmThe left sees the United States as evil and Al Qaeda, the perpetrators of 9/11, as brave resistance fighters.
You really are a deluded little man.
Some numbers to ponder: 2,516 American soldiers dead; 91 journalists dead; 42,889 Iraqi citizens confirmed dead, by one estimate; $320 billion spent so far, and to what end?
Thats what pisses rational people off. All the terrorists of the last 100 years, in the entire world, collectivley, haven’t been able to “achieve” that sorry list, and Bolton is a sorry shill whose only use may be to galvanise the rest of the world to finally say no to American lunacy.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:01 pmHeh! Nice try…Look, I realize you are clearly embarassed by your display of appalling grammar and spelling. But don’t worry. I am sure you will do better next time.
Me be embarrassed that all you have is the fact that I type like shit because I thought Calculus and physics were more important classes to take in high school? Hardly.
As for the rest of your posting, I would say it is an excellent example of why the left loses election after election after election. The left sees the United States as evil and Al Qaeda, the perpetrators of 9/11, as brave resistance fighters. The vast majority of the American people reject that morally and intellectually bankrupt position.
Because you guys learned that fear worksand use it to run instead of honesty like the left? Yeah, we learned about your lack of integrity the hard way. It’s why we are standing up to you all and calling out your lies. Because we’ve learned that in America he who cries the loudest is seen as the most correct. Assinine, I know, but we didn’t establish that nonsense. You’re side did. It’s what people do when they have nothing – yell louder and more frequently.
Let me ask you this: Do you support the U.S. military operations in Afghanistan, which were launched in late 2001?
Comment by Exley — June 24, 2006 @ 5:42 pm
Do I support now what happened in 2001 – or do I now support what’s going on now? Funny you criticize my grammar. You atleast knew what I meant… I’m not sure what you want me to answer because your question is poorly worded.
I think going after Osama in 2001 was the right thing to do. Unfortunately, that is where my approval of their bumbling has ended. They neither achieved their target nor captured Osama, but they’ve made an even bigger mess of things than what they started out with. And, as you know (I hope you know) – there is no Osama after 3.5 years of war.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:01 pmOsama’s sitting in a hammock in Kashmir eating mangos and watching Fox news, laughing.
One of these days, possibly soon, Osama is going to get bored, and when he does, he’s gonna hike back down the mountain and go back into Pakistan, where he’ll build his army as he goes. There he’ll overthrow Musharif, seize the nukes, and THEN we’ll have a ball game.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:05 pm“Because we’ve learned that in America he who cries the loudest is seen as the most correct. Assinine, I know..”
The word is “asinine,” not “assinine.”
June 24th, 2006 at 6:06 pmAnd he might even tell us who looked the other way while his boys did their dirty deeds on 911, cause you KNOW there had to be some inside the government help on that one.
Someone was not doing their job leading up to that, and someone ordered that intel on the hijackers be buried.
When Osama starts squawkin, then the Shiite is gonna really hit the fan.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:08 pmI recently heard that Osama wanted Bush to be re-elected which was why he made his little speech before the 2004 vote – hoping to scare people. Osama is a psychopath who wants a knee-jerk reactionary in the White House. Osama was afraid that Kerry would actually get the job done… Osama hearts Bush. What’s that tell you?
June 24th, 2006 at 6:09 pmThe word is “asinine,†not “assinine.â€
Comment by Excremently — June 24, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
You’d be the expert there.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:09 pmThere he’ll overthrow Musharif, seize the nukes, and THEN we’ll have a ball game.
That is a scenario that sends chills even down my liberal spine. Could be for the best though, another smaller, shorter cold war with islamic extremisim. Might get them (and us) to realise how high the stakes actually are.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:09 pmI recently heard that Osama wanted Bush to be re-elected which was why he made his little speech before the 2004 vote
Comment by unbelievable — June 24, 2006 @ 6:09 pm
Thats right. And you heard that from the CIA. Thats because thats the findings of a CIA think tank analyzing the tapes.
Bush they felt was a better draw for Al Quaida.
He has a bigger “hate-a-bility” factor than Kerry.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:11 pmThe word is “asinine,†not “assinine.â€
Comment by Exley — June 24, 2006 @ 6:06 pm
That’s all you’ve got? That was all you could argue? A typo?
What can I say – you inspire me to want to write the word ass…
June 24th, 2006 at 6:12 pmWell you do have to admit Unb, that he would know much more about that area, than you.
Give credit where credits do I always say.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:14 pmThanks to Bush and the stooges knee-jerk reactions after 911, Al Quaida is more popular world wide, than it could have ever made itself.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:16 pmThe left sees the United States as evil and Al Qaeda, the perpetrators of 9/11, as brave resistance fighters.
The PNAC blueprint of September 2000 states that the process of transforming the US into “tomorrow’s dominant force” is likely to be a long one in the absence of “some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor”. The 9/11 attacks allowed the US to press the “go” button for a strategy in accordance with the PNAC agenda which it would otherwise have been politically impossible to implement.
Cui bono? Who benefitted most from 9/11?
June 24th, 2006 at 6:17 pmGive credit where credits do I always say.
Comment by FLAVIUS WORFEUS — June 24, 2006 @ 6:14 pm
Good point!
Do these trolls get more stupid – or we more astute? Hmmm….
June 24th, 2006 at 6:17 pmAll that goosestepping bounces their tiny brains inside their cranial cavity, so the structural damage tends to subdue higher thought processes.
Which why everything they do is motivated by either anger or fear.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:26 pmbut you do NOT blame Al Qaeda for their actions in Iraq,
Comment by Excremently — June 24, 2006 @ 6:24 pm
We’re not fighting Al Quaida in Iraq dimwit.
We’re fighting Iraqi’s.
You’ll figure that out once you grow a pair and go fight in the war you shout so loudly for everyone else to go an fight.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:29 pmPatriot: the person who can holler the loudest without knowing what he is hollering about.
Mark Twain
June 24th, 2006 at 6:30 pmJune 24th, 2006 at 6:31 pm
June 24th, 2006 at 6:32 pm
A wise man speaks because he has something to say; a fool (Exley, Seixon and Jason) because he has to say something.
—Plato
June 24th, 2006 at 6:34 pmI’ve got news for you excrement.
There is little difference between a homemade bomb, and one made on an assembly line.
Particularly to the person being blown up.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:42 pmI see Bolton also doubles as Israel’s UN ambassador.
“why on earth didn’t he make Ann Coulter Secretary of State?”
Because the woman dyes her hair. We must have SOME standards, you know.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:43 pmDoes Bolton remind anybody else of Cliff Claven from Cheers?
June 24th, 2006 at 6:44 pmIED, Claymore.
All the same thing.
You might think that some of us have brains as simple and open to suggestion as your pitiful marbles, but your attempts to “demonize” the enemy are futile.
See Americans respect human life.
You do not.
Thats because your a Nazi. You just don’t know it yet.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:44 pmThere is little difference between a homemade bomb, and one made on an assembly line.
You hit that nail on the head. The despicable slogan “fight them over there, so we don’t have to fight them over here.” is in effect, an exhortation to sanction the sacrifice of actual Iraqi lives to save potentialAmerican lives. I find the racist underpinning of that idea pretty abhorrent in isolation, but the cowardly, brutal, calculation of it pales into insignificance when coupled with the fact that the basic premise was and continues to be, simply wrong. As can be seen every day as the next lot of 50, or 60 step into the grinder.
June 24th, 2006 at 6:47 pmBolton’s been uptight ever since they closed Plato’s Retreat.
http://www.rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/larry_flynt_bolton_511.htm
June 24th, 2006 at 6:48 pmExley –
Stop blogging drunk, dude. Put down the keyboard and step away from teh computer before you hurt yourself…
June 24th, 2006 at 6:50 pmDoes Bolton remind anybody else of Cliff Claven from Cheers?
Comment by Red — June 24, 2006 @ 6:44 pm
Claven was better groomed.
June 24th, 2006 at 7:09 pmAnd more diplomatic.
June 24th, 2006 at 7:13 pmAnd smarter.
June 24th, 2006 at 7:14 pmAnd more likable.
June 24th, 2006 at 7:14 pmand not Bolton thats a major plus
June 24th, 2006 at 7:17 pmHello Mighty Aphrodite…I have read many of your postings in the past. You bring much common sense, facts, and moral clarity to this site. Keep up the good work.
Comment by Exley the Excrement — June 24, 2006 @ 7:16 pm
Get a room.
June 24th, 2006 at 7:22 pm#112 – Is that an “ad hominem attack”, bLIAR? Nah… one might have to KNOW the meaning of the expression “ad hominem” in order to use it properly. Your claim of 20/20 hindsight in US foreign relations is an EXCELLENT example of intellectual laziness. But if that is ALL you have to work with, I applaud your meager, but persistent efforts.
June 24th, 2006 at 7:23 pmYou know its funny,
For all the tough talk, silly security moms like MA are more afraid of a tiny backward nation with no navy, no long range air force, no nuclear weapons and no ability to deliver one if they had it, than she is of the types of real global catastophes that [ractically every scientist in the world is asserting. (not to mention if you’ve been alive more than 40 years you’d know the climates changed cause you’d see it for yourself).
For someone so worried about human life supposedly, that you’d trade everything my father and uncles fought for in WW2, and everything that makes us a free and open society, to make sure some guy in rags and wearing sandals doesn’t come over and kill her kids with a poison ink pen, you definately “strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel“.
June 24th, 2006 at 7:49 pmLet me ask you a question MA.
I assume you consider yourself Christian.
If I had to guess, I’d say Catholic, or possibly , Episcopalian.
I’d guess you probably go to Church on Easter, Christmas, Lent, and maybe Thanksgiving. And maybe a few nights a month for some sort of “we’re better than you” society meetings.
If you’re not a Christian, then please feel free to elaborate.
So my question is this,
Can you point me to the passages in your bible where your God says an American baby, is worth more in his eyes, than an Iraqi baby?
Point that out for me if you’d be so kind, and we can chat some more.
June 24th, 2006 at 7:54 pmit was a mistake and I do apologize for it.
Well that deserves attention. Well done. Now if you could apologise for all the other nonsense you’ve spent the evening spouting, we could welcome you back into the human race:-)
June 24th, 2006 at 7:55 pm1) You are correct. I did unintentionally mix up you with unbelievable.
That was really stupid. Ouch!
Unbelievable was the one who posted the defense of Al Qaeda at #54.
Liar. Or again, stupid to call my post a defense of Al Qaeda.
I apologize for the confusion. I can certainly understand why that annoyed you. Who would want to be associated with those despicable comments by unbelievable. Again, I apologize for my carelessness.
Considering we have enough of the same view for you to confuse us – then clearly you are lying about mine being a defense of Al Qaeda, because you have no argument without misrepresenting people.
2. Peter Bergen:
You people always quote others. Have you no thoughts of your own?
3) Hello Mighty Aphrodite…I have read many of your postings in the past. You bring much common sense, facts, and moral clarity to this site. Keep up the good work. Yes, “Holy War Inc.†is a splendid piece of journalism.
Comment by Exley — June 24, 2006 @ 7:16 pm
Futher proof you have no taste, sense and are demented.
June 24th, 2006 at 8:03 pmIt’s nice to see that the movie scares you though, it should.
I see whats going on here, and perhaps Gore has been cleverer than we realise. Reichwingers are always terrified of fiction. For example, countries with the a GDP one 50th of Sweden’s are going to enslave the entire western world, or Iraq had WDM or Bush would be fun to have a beer with.
However, they are generally oblivous to fact. However, since this is a movie, it must be fiction, ergo it’s scary!!! That Al Gore is sneaky.
June 24th, 2006 at 8:07 pmwith our clearly superior knowledge of the facts, have taught you folks something.
You’ve certainly given us a good belly laugh, and they’re supposed to be healthy. So thumbs up for that parting gift:-) Personally, I suspect you’re actually a liberal doing a reichwinger parody, God you’re good:-)
June 24th, 2006 at 8:10 pmNow I leave you tonight withthe hope — however, slim — that perhaps Seixon,Mighty Aprhrodite and I, with our clearly superior knowledge of the facts, have taught you folks something.
That your side is even more ignorant than we thought? Yeah, you did prove that with your inferior knowledge you all pull out of your rear ends on a regular basis.
God bless America.
Comment by Exley — June 24, 2006 @ 8:05 pm
Doesn’t even know why that is selfish and arrogant, I’d bet…
June 24th, 2006 at 8:15 pmUnbelievable:
“2. Peter Bergen:
You people always quote others. Have you no thoughts of your own?”
Yes, I guess in a discussion about the history of Al Qaeda, it was soooo silly of me to cite and quote perhaps the most recognized and acknowleged jornalistic experts on Al Qaeda and author of a seminal book on Al Qaeda…Heh!
That is called providing evidence and facts in support of a position….You should try it some time.
NOW I’m outta here! Good night all…
June 24th, 2006 at 8:21 pmUnbelievable:
“2. Peter Bergen:
You people always quote others. Have you no thoughts of your own?â€
Yes, I guess in a discussion about the history of Al Qaeda, it was soooo silly of me to cite and quote perhaps the most recognized and acknowleged journalistic expert on Al Qaeda and author of a seminal book on Al Qaeda…Heh!
That is called providing evidence and facts in support of a position…You should try it some time.
NOW I’m outta here! Good night all…
June 24th, 2006 at 8:24 pmYes, I guess in a discussion about the history of Al Qaeda, it was soooo silly of me to cite and quote perhaps the most recognized and acknowleged jornalistic experts on Al Qaeda and author of a seminal book on Al Qaeda…Heh!
What you can’t para[hrase? Of course not, in the matter of one hour you confused the posts of two different people even though they are stored in the thread for you to read…
That is called providing evidence and facts in support of a position….You should try it some time.
Comment by Exley — June 24, 2006 @ 8:21 pm
It’s not any such thing. It’s someone’s opinion. Facts would be things like: The World Trade Towers were struck with planes commandeered by suicide hijackers on September 11, 2001. Or George W. Bush lost the popular vote in 2000, but before a recount in Florida could be complete, the Supreme Court declared him the winner. Or Exley is a noxius gas bag. Those are facts. What you posted was opinion.
June 24th, 2006 at 8:31 pmNOW I’m outta here! Good night all…
Comment by Exley the Excremental Wasteby Product — June 24, 2006 @ 8:24 pm
So you keep promising us.
So go already.
June 24th, 2006 at 8:32 pm9/11 Commission Report:
Saudi Arabia and the United States supplied billions of dollars worth of secret assistance to rebel groups in Afghanistan fighting the Soviet occupation. This assistance was funneled through Pakistan: the Pakistani military intelligence service (Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, or ISID), helped train the rebels and distribute the arms. But Bin Ladin and his comrades had their own sources of support and training, and they received little or no assistance from the United States.23
23. In his memoir,Ayman al Zawahiri contemptuously rejects the claim that the Arab mujahideen were financed (even “one penny”) or trained by the United States. See Zawahiri,”Knights Under the Prophet’s Banner,” Al Sharq al Awsat, Dec. 2, 2001. CIA officials involved in aiding the Afghan resistance regard Bin Ladin and his “Arab Afghans” as having been militarily insignificant in the war and recall having little to do with him. Gary Schroen interview (Mar. 3, 2003).
June 24th, 2006 at 8:36 pmJohn Bolton should not even speak to Human Rights issues. He surely doesn’t appreciate the issue and further he knows nothing about it. I question whether John Botlon is an American or an Agent of a foreign middleastern country. This man is one worse than rove. He pretends to represent this counrty on the world stage. But, I question whether he represents someone else. I believe that he does.
June 24th, 2006 at 8:50 pmlet’s see you voulnteer for a one way airline trip with 6-8 Islamofascists bent on meeting Allah and taking as many infidels with them as possible.
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 24, 2006 @ 8:54 pm
You know, you really lost me with that one. I really have no clue what your point is here. Are you just channeling Ann Coulter there or was there a real idea in there that I am just aloof to?
June 24th, 2006 at 8:59 pmBut when you see barbarians emulate the exploits of successful murderers
Comment by mighty aphrodite — June 24, 2006 @ 8:54 pm
Ok. I’ll take a crack at this one since you and the fandamaly are busy working on your long journey to colon cancer.
Barbarians = Terrorists
Successful Murderers = The Neocons ???
How’s that?
June 24th, 2006 at 9:05 pmSee MA, the thing that seems to fail you, and the rest is this.
You cut off your face to spite your nose.
Or as Jesus put it, you strain at a gnat, while swallowing a camel.
The terrorists killed what, 3000 people on 911?
We’ve got 300,000,000 left.
In other words, we can survive a terrorist attack.
But your response, has already cost us close to 3,000 American lives, and 18,000 wounded, half of them missing limbs, sight, etc.
So by my tally, if I had to choose whose more likely to get Americans killed, its looking like its you guys, and not any terrorists.
Can terrorists kill people? SURE.
Can criminals kill people? SURE.
In fact, last year in the US we had ZERO Americans killed by terrorists. About 50,000 were killed by drunk drivers. Add violent crime and other events and you can double that number.
The truth to anyone looking at this SANS the emotional and reactionary view of the right, can plainly see that the biggest threat to Americans right now, are Americans.
Get a clue.
The terrorists aren’t the biggest problem we face.
Loosing America in a sea of small thinking paranoia is.
June 24th, 2006 at 9:18 pm*****I have no doubt you will be able to act with great open-mindedness and good manners. THAT’s a dare worth trying….
Comment by mighty aphrodite
Heh. You just can’t wait to find out what it is, can you, Mighty Haggis the Willing Teabaggee?
June 24th, 2006 at 9:19 pmKeep watching…
See MA, you guys are always coming in here and spouting off about how “worked up” we are.
While thats “cute”, the truth is we are the logical thinkers here, we are the ones not “loosing our cool”. You’re the ones off screaming about cowards, traitors, and terrorists everywhere.
Buy duct tape, look out on the subway, bend over and show the crack of your anus at the airport to a guy from Pakistan who just got out of jail….
Its like watching a bunch of monkeys running around slapping themselves with mops.
Meanwhile rational people all over the world, and all around the country, many with NO ties to the democratic party or the liberal causes, attempt to show you guys a little reason. A little logical thinking.
But when we do, your faces turn red, you puff up your cheeks an stick out a pudgy finger, and shriek, traitors, cowards, cut-n-runners. Its like you guys all drank the same Jesus juice or something.
More than half the country thinks you’re nuts. Go ANYWHERE outside the US and they spit on republicans. They despise you.
But still you plod on, telling yourselves you’re right.
It boggles the mind.
June 24th, 2006 at 9:38 pmJune 24th, 2006 at 9:45 pm
But who knows?
Maybe you guys will “get lucky” again, and another terrorist attack will hit our shores before the November elections.
Cause God knows it sure worked out great for you guys last time.
June 24th, 2006 at 9:49 pmBolton has to be one of the top three most arrogant pricks in this Administration, and that’s really tough to do.
June 24th, 2006 at 9:56 pmjust a quick question:
what is this “islamofascist”?
isn’t islam and fascism sort of an oxymoron?
not sure that’s the word, but you get my gist?
i’ve heard experts say it should be “islamoNAZISM”…
June 24th, 2006 at 9:59 pmBefore I go, I just want to give myself a little pat on the back for not going off on my usual “mustache ride” obsession whenever TP posts a picture of Nuts ‘n Bolton. I think it’s the Carol Burnett thing he’s doing with his hand that puts me off, thank goodness. ;)
June 24th, 2006 at 10:10 pm*patting my own back*
and thank you for that, zoo!
June 24th, 2006 at 10:13 pmAnd she’s probably sufferring from a severe case of green-jello poisoning, a serious condition if left untreated.
June 24th, 2006 at 10:19 pmOne of these days I think MA is gonna wake up and remember where she left that soul of hers.
When she does all this will be like lemon juice in an open paper cut.
June 24th, 2006 at 10:25 pmworfeus?
June 24th, 2006 at 10:51 pmYes Katy?
June 24th, 2006 at 11:01 pmthank you, worfeus…
June 24th, 2006 at 11:19 pmwell, my post at 162 was not a rhetorical question and i wondered if it was seen…actually…
your thoughts?
Bolton is a fat head nincompoop for the Neocons, so who gives a damn what he spews at UN!
June 24th, 2006 at 11:21 pmhey while you guys insult each other over grammar our democracy is in desperate shape and the flimsy results of our elections seem to be dubious at best ! The constitution is in tatters and the answers seem to lie outside the voting booth.War co. won the last election by .6 of 1 % on electronic voting booths with no exit polling .The neo cons sell war with Jesus and tens of thousands have already died in a war by oil execs who wrote of their intentions to invade the mid east as a form of foreign policy .They are violating our every constitutional right to protect us from an enemy that can’t be found.We need to act now before november because I suspect the democrats are as much a part of the machinery here as the aspiring fascists on the right .Walk the walk folks use bio diesel or boycot exxon ,organise a general strike or actively pursue the neo cons in court .NOWS THE TIME!don’t wait for the lawyers in congress to make their convoluted agreements they only draw air so long as the population allows this to go on .The hell with reasonableness these people are war criminals and its long past time their cage was rattled.MAKE A SCENE !!!!!their on the ropes
June 24th, 2006 at 11:30 pmActually Katy I prefer the word “mook”.
June 24th, 2006 at 11:35 pmSeriously though Katy I don’t get to much into the Euphemisms.
I prefer the more direct approach.
And I really haven’t noticed that term, but I may have seen it and ignored it.
June 24th, 2006 at 11:36 pmSee contrary to popular opinion among the republicans in here, I am not a political activist.
I never even voted to Bush jr showed up.
And when we get back to being Americs again, and not Amurika, then I will go back to doing what I do best.
Serving my own carnal appetites. ;D
June 24th, 2006 at 11:53 pmPiss off the last of the fascists supporters they don’t function well on the defensive Challange the morally challenged everywhere you find them !Killing is murder, pre emptive war is aggression, nationalism is rascism ! Bolton is not our ambassador ,torture is a war crime The flag is a pice of cloth with ink on it if it no longer stands for our values .Jesus said love your enemies not blow their childrens legs off.PISS EM OFF !take the fight to their doorstep.Dont bother with replying to the mighty hermaphrodite let her make love to herself ,exley is only here for a distraction (most likely paid to be ) and believes that mass murder of innocents and the support of dictatorships is sound foreign policy .Stop wasting time patting yourselves on the back for your witty replies these people are a serious danger to the planet Patriots ? the nazi’s were patriots and look what happened to their country !
June 24th, 2006 at 11:54 pmBut I’m havin a good time.
June 25th, 2006 at 12:10 amgive these right wing supporters a gun and let them do their own killing maybe this would jolt their sleeping conscience or better yet have them send their kids .Problem is though they have a problem with death when its one of their own and not some small child or his parents in a third world country.Talk about the moral high ground ,these people are rascists ! Your going to have a reasonable conversation with people who believe mass murder and torture are american hallmarks and the constitutionis only paper ?
June 25th, 2006 at 12:16 amI’d have a reasonable conversation with the Devil himself if he wanted to actually discuss something.
Problem with the world today is to many people are shooting, and not enough are talking.
Nothing wrong with talking.
Beats ranting.
June 25th, 2006 at 12:26 amBesides who knows?
Maybe a bit of reason will get stuck in their brain, like an olive pit in your gums, and they’ll absorb it.
You never know.
June 25th, 2006 at 12:28 amTrust the unelected to tap your phone ,monitor your bankaccounts ,scrutinize your computer use and sneak and peak in your home .Its allright the founding fathers were just paranoid when they wrote that garbage in the constitution we don’t need to worry ,Habeas corpus isn’t important its just holding us up in our search for the unseen enemy whom we funded last year.These evil people in the mid east whose lands we in the west have walked all over and whose dictators we propped up for more than half a century hate us because were good .Do you want to discuss the finer points of the hundreds of thousands of innocents that we have killed and maimed for for half a century in our cold war policies exley .You sound like an appologist for adolf hitler
June 25th, 2006 at 12:32 amOne world one people one destiny
June 25th, 2006 at 12:34 amlove your enemies do unto others who will cast the first stone .George bush is supported by christians ?Wow I must have missed something.
June 25th, 2006 at 12:37 amHe is an apologist for Adolf Hitler.
June 25th, 2006 at 12:39 ambeing nominated for the nobel prize is one thing..I could, lord knows why, nominate seixon.
any seconds?
[[Nomination is part of the process of selecting a candidate for either election to an office, or the bestowing of an honor or award]]
June 25th, 2006 at 12:42 amChristians have been butchering Muslims in the name of Christ for 2000 years Freeman.
Or at least thugs calling themselves Christians.
Nothings changed since the days of Eustice of Flanders, and Ferdinand and Isabella. Mighty Christian warriors marching forward, leaving a trail of blood in their wake.
June 25th, 2006 at 12:43 amchristians who support a war president who believes in torture ,fiscal conservatives who support the destruction of the largest surplus in history to be replaced by the largest deficit in history ,the NRA supporting the complete and unchecked power of an executive which is reading their e mail tapping theer phones and entering their homes with out restraints and democrats who watch laws pass while the presidency employs signing statement which say these laws do not apply to it and you want to talk reasonably with people some of whom are probably paid cash money to post here .Wow what am I missing ?
June 25th, 2006 at 12:47 ambeing nominated for the nobel prize is one thing..I could, lord knows why, nominate seixon.
Comment by ][ REICH ][ — June 25, 2006 @ 12:42 am
Well thats what you guys usually do after you've really screwed something up royally.
You give each other medals.
No reason to change now I guess.
June 25th, 2006 at 12:47 amwe have to do more here than wait for november !Where are the democrats an election decided once in the state of Florida with jeb appointing elections officials and decided by the same canservative supremes who are the champions of state rights,and a second time by .6% of the popular vote on electronic voting machines ?where are the dems ?this is all getting to seem like a bad dog and pony show
June 25th, 2006 at 12:53 amclinton took the party so far right we have no left wing here at all ,lets keep nader out of the debates so the skull and bones debating society can have its party unmolestedCan you run for public office here as a man of the people Huey!Think not but if you get a law degree you can be staff.
June 25th, 2006 at 12:58 amwho owns me
June 25th, 2006 at 1:02 amGhandi was a pascifist but he sure wasnt passiveI advocate a more direct approach before the gestapo arrives
June 25th, 2006 at 1:05 amis there smoke in here or is it just mirrors?
June 25th, 2006 at 1:08 amDude.
Next time break the pills in half.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:09 amoh wow… thanks for that, worfeus…
June 25th, 2006 at 1:12 amgreat to end the day/night with hearty laugh…
g’nite
My pleasure Katy.
Ciao for now.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:14 amyes go back to sleep
June 25th, 2006 at 1:17 amyou may need a pain reliever when you wake up in the morning
June 25th, 2006 at 1:19 amyou may need a pain reliever when you wake up in the morning
Comment by freeman — June 25, 2006 @ 1:19 am
Come again?
June 25th, 2006 at 1:24 amIf we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle.
We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us.
It is simply too painful to acknowledge even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken
Dr Carl Sagan
June 25th, 2006 at 1:29 amThe Demon-Haunted World
Hmm.
Must’ve been the Thorazine talking.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:30 amIts the half a pill thing man am I ranting .. I’m doing it for an Iraqi mother whocant get to her computer
June 25th, 2006 at 1:31 amI’m not rejecting anything dizzy dan.
Nice cut and paste from my cut and paste too.
Just lay of the cheep wine.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:32 amAnd if you can’t, then at least keep off the canned stuff.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:33 amwhile we luxuriate her kid is bleeding to death This shit is real bro and may come back to haunt us in our armchairs
June 25th, 2006 at 1:34 amI hear Thunderbird has a nice little chalet out.
Vintage March 06.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:36 amwhile we luxuriate her kid is bleeding to death
Comment by freeman — June 25, 2006 @ 1:34 am
Well quit luxuriateing.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:38 amyou first
June 25th, 2006 at 1:41 ammy stash is endless
June 25th, 2006 at 1:42 ambut i’ve been meaning to quit
June 25th, 2006 at 1:48 amAhhh
So that explains it.
Well have fun buddy.
Ciao for now.
June 25th, 2006 at 1:53 amOh an by the way, the “You First” comeback?
Thats funny stuff.
Asta
June 25th, 2006 at 1:54 amever since menkacka was tortured its plain to see the abu ghraib torture tactics backfire.
June 25th, 2006 at 6:43 am#190 says it all for me. Well, there’s more — a lot more, but I’m too lazy to type much.
The Neocons have successfully turned America into a nation in decline.
June 25th, 2006 at 10:16 am“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.†herman goering at nuremberg
June 25th, 2006 at 10:27 amComment by freeman — June 25, 2006 @ 10:27 am
That’s KKKarl Rove’s motto… with the religious element added for Wizard of Oz fear-mongering effects… (I read somewhere that when leaders invoke Jesus, they are less likely to be criticized or challenged)…
June 25th, 2006 at 10:55 amhey God bless us
June 25th, 2006 at 11:16 amif you meet the buddha on the road kill the buddha zen saying peopletrust jesus to return and clean up their mess in lieu of that maybe the politicians will do it I’M STILL WAITING
June 25th, 2006 at 11:21 amOf cource these same work all day long at jobs they hate, their homes and cars and appliances are owned by banks and they pack their children off to war with pride and a bagged lunch !See what happens when you let others think for you .Left to settle the shit always floats to the top.Pour it off and you have the philosophers stone.
June 25th, 2006 at 11:29 amOrganized religion, along with endless greed, have destroyed this country. For everything that has been done that is now broken can be ascribed to either the invocation of Capitalism or Christianity, and most frequently – both.
June 25th, 2006 at 11:31 amDon’t wait for the party to save us they are all owned by the corporate machine on both sides of the aisle.This travesty is perhaps the first opportunity we’ve had for real democracy to begin here .SHAKE THE CAGE
June 25th, 2006 at 11:34 amreal religion is truly disorganized thats why all the saints are murdered and monks are always celibate that way they are no longer a threat to the status quo .
June 25th, 2006 at 11:38 amreal religion is truly disorganized thats why all the saints are murdered and monks are always celibate that way they are no longer a threat to the status quo .
June 25th, 2006 at 11:38 amSelf be your guide self be your leader do not look for any other leader the buddha
June 25th, 2006 at 11:40 amI wonder where that leaves politicians and rock stars ?
June 25th, 2006 at 11:46 amI vote we get more like Bolon, at least he doesn’t roll over, stick his ass in the air and say stick it here…..
June 25th, 2006 at 8:36 pmOh look. Another genius on diplomacy.
Yea Einstein. We’re the only country in the world anyway, right? Everybody should just kiss our ass.
Yea, you’re a bright one.
Probably the brightest kid in the trailer park.
June 25th, 2006 at 10:54 pmFlavius this guy umbra is violent and scares the hell out of me .He says he’s an analyst and makes comments with violence as an undertone .This ones a real monster
June 25th, 2006 at 11:47 pmIf you support the UN, please sign this petition to tell Bush to back off the UN. Also, ask your favorite blogs to post the the UN campaign’s banner link on their site too.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:59 amhttp://www.dontshutdowntheun.org/
#155
“In fact, last year in the US we had ZERO Americans killed by terrorists.”
That’s right (Thank God)…And why is that? Because of President Bush’s policies of taking the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan and Iraq and giving law-enforcement the tools it needs to fight terroris, (PATRIOT Act, NSA anti-terrorism surveillance program, etc.)
I am amazed that Flavius has given the president his tacit approval….Has Hell frozen over? Welcome aboard Flavius! We’re glad to have you.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:18 amMaybe there arent any terrorists with the funding or abilities to do much in the first place xley you think it would be hard to cross the border here,you could walk across no sweat from either canada or mexico .If you live out west you can imagine what a terrorist could do with just a car or book of matches,pretty low tech stuff and it would be devastating.20 saudi’s and 3 airplanes have scared you so much your willing to throw out the very rights we’ve fought 2 world wars over,and then attack a country totally uninvolved in that attack and kill 100 000 civilians,while throwing billions and thousands of american lives at it.If a mouse ran across the floor would you jump up on a chair or start shooting up your house with a shot gun?This war has nothing to do with terrorism and everything to do with ,as the neo cons,(emphasis on con )Wrote before 911 ,control of mid east oil and a permanent foothold there,
June 26th, 2006 at 12:32 pmThat’s right (Thank God)…And why is that?
Comment by Exley — June 26, 2006 @ 11:18 am
Because you’re boy George hasn’t signed off on another one?
June 26th, 2006 at 1:33 pmThis is a great example of the Bush administration’s double standards on the UN, international cooperation, and human rights in general. I don’t see why the U.S. shouldn’t be held to the same standards as everyone else. If guy A was killing 5 enemies at a time, and guy B was killing 1,000 enemies at a time….they’re still both killing….But hey, the U.S. is special. That must mean we only have to listen to international laws when we want to.
June 26th, 2006 at 8:40 pmWhen President Wilson championed for a League of Nations, opponents feared that the organization would become a paper tiger riddled with special agendas and susceptible to corruption. This had the potential of propelling the U.S. to one bad situation after another. As a result, the U.S. did not join The League of Nations.
Unfortunately the fears that the opponents had about The League of Nations, have manifested into what is wrong with The United Nations.
I find it astonishing that individuals that were born in the nineteenth century were able to foresee problems that will be plaguing the U.S. well into the twenty first century and perhaps beyond.
July 10th, 2006 at 2:18 pm