Bush Ignores Science, Claims ‘There Is A Debate’ Over The Cause of Global Warming
Bush Ignores Science, Claims ‘There Is A Debate’ Over The Cause of Global Warming
This morning, President Bush was asked whether he believed global warming was a “real and significant threat to the planet.†Bush claimed there is still a real debate over the cause of global warming. Watch it.
Despite Bush’s repeated efforts to muddy the picture, there is no real scientific debate over whether global warming is manmade or naturally-caused. Most recently, the National Academy of Sciences has unequivocally stated that natural causes cannot explain the unprecedented warmth over the last 400 years. Rather, “human activities are responsible for much of the recent warming,†the report states. The failure to acknowledge this scientific fact prevents Bush from taking the necessary actions to regulate carbon dioxide emissions, which he once pledged to do.
Full transcript below:
QUESTION: I know you’ve said you are not planning to see Al Gore’s new movie, but do you agree with the premise that global warming is a real and significant threat to the planet?
BUSH: I think it’s — I have said consistently that global warming something is a serious problem. There is a debate over whether it’s manmade or naturally caused. We ought to get beyond that debate and start implementing the technologies necessary to enable us to achieve a couple of big objectives. One, be good stewards of the environment, and two become less dependent on foreign sources of oil for economic reasons and for national security reasons.
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There is only a debate in his piss poor brain.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:00 pmThe caption on the crawl of the screen says something about “…radiation treatment for prostate cancer..” and George looks like he’s got a fist up his arse.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:00 pmWell if W says so, then it must be true. /sarcasm
June 26th, 2006 at 3:00 pm#2 – Isn’t that V.Pres. Cheney’s hand?
June 26th, 2006 at 3:02 pmBUSH: “…I have said consistently that global warming something is a serious problem.” – - Huh?? Bush makes it sound like ‘global warming’ is a setting on a microwave oven. ‘Laura honey, wouldya be a doll and global warm a slice of that pizza there fer me? Thankya sugar.’
June 26th, 2006 at 3:05 pmSorry to say, folks, but he is correct. There is a debate as to whether global warming is man caused or environmentally caused. The debate exists between studies published in peer-reviewed journals on the one hand and Big Oil companies on the other. Technically, it is a debate. Just like the debate over the harms of cigarrette smoking which pitted the Surgeon General of the United States versus Big Tobacco.
He is also correct in that we need to look for solutions, regardless of the cause.
However, his seque into the issue of foreign oil is totally off-topic. Using hydrocarbons from whatever source cannot help alleviate the problem.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:08 pmWhat is it going to take to get him to believe ? How about sewing his eyes open and strapping him to a chair ” a clockwork orange ” style and make him watch An inconvinient truth .
June 26th, 2006 at 3:12 pmi don’t care how many times bushco or anyone else in the robotized talking-points choir say we aren’t sure of what is already established as fact, it doesn’t change things…
And, yes, I DO take it personally
June 26th, 2006 at 3:15 pmFrrom Bush’s statement:
You mean like the Kyoto Accord?
Asshole.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:15 pmWhat is it going to take to get him to believe ? How about sewing his eyes open and strapping him to a chair †a clockwork orange †style and make him watch An inconvinient truth .
Comment by the Lone Voice of Reason — June 26, 2006 @ 3:12 pm
That would certainly sharpen him up a bit to get ready for some ultra-violence.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:16 pmMore importantly, why does he or any of these morons NEED to believe. For my money, just the chance that there is truth to global warming (and I believe there is) is reason enough to take it seriously. Do we need to wait until it’s too late to correct the problem? The time to act is now. Since Bush and Co. are in bed with the corporations that cause global warming, nothing will happen. And they don’t care. How sad for the world.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:16 pm#7
June 26th, 2006 at 3:19 pmI’m more for just strapping him in a chair and leaving him there…….forever. This idiot has been wrong on all of the important issues that have faced this administration. Every single one.
Just to give this some context. The case for CO2 as being the cause of warming is stronger than it being anything else:
http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=3458&method=full
And even if you argue that some fraction of the warming might still be natural, uncertainty does not mean that you don’t take a precautionary stance:
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?colID=18&articleID=000C3111-2859-1C71-84A9809EC588EF21
June 26th, 2006 at 3:19 pmThe only debate over Global Warming is the right wings claim that theres a debate.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:19 pmRecently some have said the earth is the hottest it has been for the last 200-1,000 years.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:25 pmWell, that means that 200-1,000 years ago, the earth was hotter than it is now.
The earth is constantly cooling and warming.
Back in the 1960’s, scienists were warning us of the impending ice-age.
The hysterical make no mention of solar variations in their theses.
I could not agree more diet .
June 26th, 2006 at 3:25 pmGeorge, you have fallen off your mark. “The Decider” doesn’t debate. Your an imbicle. End of debate!
June 26th, 2006 at 3:25 pmEven Bush agrees “its a serious problem”
So what gives RW robots……..
Are they going to disparge Bush’s character because he believes it is “a serious problem”????
June 26th, 2006 at 3:26 pmsince when did w care about debate?
June 26th, 2006 at 3:30 pmBUSH: I think…
and it went all down hill form there!
he can think all he wants, you need to have a brain to make it worth a damn, and bush has shown time and time again, that if he does have something between his ears (besides tumble weeds) it has not developed past a 13, maybe 15-year-old
June 26th, 2006 at 3:30 pmBUSH: I think…
and it went all down hill from there!
he can think all he wants, you need to have a brain to make it worth a damn, and bush has shown time and time again, that if he does have something between his ears (besides tumble weeds) it has not developed past a 13, maybe 15-year-old
June 26th, 2006 at 3:30 pmform = from
(hehehehe)
June 26th, 2006 at 3:31 pmCreationsists like Bush apparently don’t do science. To hell with all ignorant people.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:33 pm.
It’s not a question of whether he believes…he’s going to support big oil. Period. They own him. So…………………..
W = C02 Squared ( and to hell with the earth and everyone thing on it )
June 26th, 2006 at 3:33 pmMy faith tells me that Bush is an idiot of global proportions.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:34 pmFor the next 2 years, as long as Bush is in office, it will always be a “debate” as far as he is concerned. I think one of the problems (if not THE problem) here is one of image. If Bush even begins to lean towards the idea that indeed humans are contributing to global warming, then it will be seen as a sanctioning of Al Gore’s message. And God knows, we can’t have Bush doing that, now can we?
Bush and the Rebubs are just pissed that it’s a Democrat leading the charge against G-warming. If it had been, say, former Sen. Dan Quayle or former Sen. Bob Dole, then you can bet the farm that Bush would have been on board from Day One.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:34 pmThe only debate that exists is political, therefore the scientists can be ignored.
The common argument is that taking steps to lessen global warming or greehouse gas emmissions woudl hurt business. I think business is business and sill continue on unabated as it has for the last 30 years where the enviornment has been somewhat considered. However I think it is safe to say that republicans prefer to save business in their minds, rather than save people in the real world.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:35 pmI finally came up with one good thing Bush has done with his presidency!
He’s insured that people for some time to come will be skeptical of the government, just as the Founding Fathers had asked of us, but most had become too lazy to do. He’s single-handedly restored our distrust in government!
Yeah, I know it’s a stretch, and not at all intentional on his part, but it is what it is… :)
June 26th, 2006 at 3:37 pmI really can’t stand this guy.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:44 pm#28
June 26th, 2006 at 3:51 pmHe also…um….yep you’re right that is about the closest thing he has done that could be considered “a good thing”. Well he does pardon a turkey every year for Thangsgiving. At least he hasn’t gone back on that tradition and whacked its head off on camera.
#30 dlet
June 26th, 2006 at 3:54 pmThat turkey had nothing to worry about. Neocons don’t eat their own.
At least he hasn’t gone back on that tradition and whacked its head off on camera.
Comment by dlet — June 26, 2006 @ 3:51 pm
He probably wanted to though… And it is the thought that counts!
June 26th, 2006 at 3:59 pmRecently some have said the earth is the hottest it has been for the last 200-1,000 years.
Well, that means that 200-1,000 years ago, the earth was hotter than it is now.
It does not mean that. It means we know for sure the past 400 years and can be reasonably sure about 2,000 years. Before that we don’t know. It could have been hotter then, or it could be hotter now than in the past million years.
The earth is constantly cooling and warming.
Back in the 1960’s, scienists were warning us of the impending ice-age.
The hysterical make no mention of solar variations in their theses.
Comment by MistrX
No they were not. One article in Newsweek misquoted a study about the albedo effect of soot pollution.
Solar variation has been addressed. Look it up somewhere other than Fox News or Petroleum Funds Inc.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:00 pmBush is a failed oil man so eager to get his head up the big boys’ asses he will do anything they say. You don’t really expect him to do anything else, do you?
June 26th, 2006 at 4:02 pmDebate? Stick a transmitter to his back,hide a microphone in his ear,and he’s good to go!
June 26th, 2006 at 4:04 pmI wish Bush would do something about those cow licks in his hair. He looks like a friggin’ turd.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:06 pm#15 you have read all the papers? Also what qualifies you to make pronouncementsa on them?
June 26th, 2006 at 4:08 pmFirst of all the “little wooden head” doesn’t know what a debate is.
In 2000 and 2004 Bush commented in the run-up to the election that he would investigate global warming – he has not. The proof was in the 2004 run-up where he said the very same thing he did in 2000. I watched video clips from 2000 and 2004 and once again the little wood head Pinocchio of lying bastard is at it again.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:18 pmother news line item veto Vote Passed (247-172, 14 Not Voting)
This bill would allow the president to veto specific items in spending bills.
i knew it would pass for his highness…..
June 26th, 2006 at 4:22 pmThere is no such thing as global warming. The atmosphere is not heating up because we all drive SUV’s and run our AC’s all day. We are not losing the war in Iraq, none of our people are being killed there, and we have defeated the terrorists so there will never be another 9/11. You are rich beyond your wildest dreams, and you have perfect health and wiill live to be 150 years old. Anything else you want to hear?
June 26th, 2006 at 4:22 pmBush butt tends to ignore every scientific fact, so I am not a bit surprised that he denies global warming exists! He needs to retire to his ranch in Texas for the rest of his damn dumb life > lol.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:22 pmYes, and if Bush was so interested in investigating the problem, why did he shelve a fleet of satellites that were supposed to study the climate:
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/06/09/nasa_shelves_climate_satellites/
But Mars gets all the funding it needs…
June 26th, 2006 at 4:23 pmIt seems to me that you’re not going to address this particular problem until it swims up and burns you on the ass!!! (paraphrasing)
June 26th, 2006 at 4:30 pmDoes it really matter what he thinks as long as he realizes global warming exists? He clearly said that it is a serious problem. He even addressed how we should fight it.
Here is a link to what he says:
http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/26/060626184958.a9erm3mw.html
I think his plans are very solid. You may not like the man, but his ideas are very sound.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:37 pm“We ought to get beyond that debate and start implementing the technologies necessary to enable us to achieve a couple of big objectives: One, be good stewards of the environment; two, become less dependent on foreign sources of oil, for economic reasons as for national security reasons,” he said.
Bush cited “clean-coal technology,” efforts to develop automobiles powered by hydrogen or ethanol, and his push for the United States to develop significant new nuclear energy capabilities.
“The truth of the matter is, if this country wants to get rid of its greenhouse gases, we’ve got to have the nuclear power industry be vibrant and viable,” he said.
Those are his sound ideas, Goat?
June 26th, 2006 at 4:40 pmYou’re kidding, right?
Bush’s Quotes on the subject of Global warming:
“We ought to get beyond that debate and start implementing the technologies necessary to enable us to achieve a couple of big objectives: One, be good stewards of the environment; two, become less dependent on foreign sources of oil, for economic reasons as for national security reasons,”
So he actually wants to debate to stop as its pointless and move on to solutions. Sounds good to me.
Quote:
“The truth of the matter is, if this country wants to get rid of its greenhouse gases, we’ve got to have the nuclear power industry be vibrant and viable,”
Sounds like a very good plan to cut emissions.
Boy, this man is actually talking about plans instead of just arguing the cause (which is semi pointless). That is much better then most do.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:41 pmTrueblue,
Why are they not sounds ideas for today? These are technologies that are either available right now or already developed. You aren’t inferring that you want to not use the “stuff” we have available are you? It would be semi-retarded to look past what we have available today, especially if you are trying to address the problem today.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:43 pmWould you rather have a president propose solutions to global warming or simply address why there is global warming? I vote for someone who simply says that it exists and moves on to solutions!
June 26th, 2006 at 4:45 pmI’ve noticed a lot of little nuclear advocating-voices around blogs lately. However, one thing they never discuss is the amount of energy it takes to mine, build, maintain, and waste-dispose for a nuclear plant. Renewables may be much smarter.
And Bush’s plans are not solid at all. He’s squelching the warnings of his scientists. He’s meeting with Michael Crichton, who he apparently takes seriously on the issue.
And “climate change is natural” is the favorite mantra of the skeptics these days. This is a very small minority of the scientific community, and they don’t publish much.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:45 pmGoat – ever hear of Chernoble? Or Three Mile Island? Might wanna go investigate…
June 26th, 2006 at 4:47 pmWhat would you expect from a guy that says that God talks to him?
June 26th, 2006 at 4:53 pm[...] Follow the link to Think Progress for all the dirt. Peabrain is on yet another “stay the course” rant. Bush Ignores Science, Claims ‘There Is A Debate’ Over The Cause of Global Warming [...]
June 26th, 2006 at 4:56 pmOil men talking about global warming? Right…ask them to try to lower to prices of oil too while you’re at it. lol.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:56 pmThe debate exists between studies published in peer-reviewed journals on the one hand and Big Oil companies on the other. Technically, it is a debate.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 26, 2006 @ 3:08 pm
oh, you’re gonna do just fine! ;-)
June 26th, 2006 at 4:57 pmBush comes out and says that Global warming is REAL and it is a SERIOUS PROBLEM. Wow, I thought you guys would be cheering. It doesn’t matter one bit whether Bush believes global warming was created by man, it is natural, or little green men did it. He came out and said it is REAL!!! He said it is a SERIOUS PROBLEM!!!
He even went on to give idea’s of how to address it. Nuclear power is a very good idea to investigate. I have heard of Chernoble and if you think that the U.S. cannot do it safer then the Russians could many many years ago, WAKE UP! NUclear power is not without its problems, but it would help address global warming and it could in a big way.
Bush went on to talk about Ethenol and even Hydrogen technology as important. The fact you bash him for this speech proves you are just haters who really just care about political power. You truly have no care about the solution unless a democrat is the one providing it for political gain.
I feel sorry for you. You need to wake up and call a spade a spade. Bush has done horrible things during his presidency and calling him on it is correct. Speeches like this are a GOOD THING, which of all people, you should be the ones that support that type of speech more then anyone. Your comments taught me alot about yoru motives.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:57 pmHe even addressed how we should fight it.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:57 pmComment by Goat
You mean like Iraq and Afghanistan. There are no bombs, sadly for you, for Global Warming.
Sure there’sa a debate. Global warming is either caused by burning fossil fuel or letting too many Republicans make too many speeches, which is almost synonymous, when you think about it.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:58 pmHe said it is a SERIOUS PROBLEM
Comment by Goat
He is not an authority. He is an ass, so the problem does not depend whether he adresses it or not.
The fact you bash him for this speech proves you are just haters who really just care about political power.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:02 pmYeah, I send soldiers to die for an illegal war, I protect big corporations from paying taxes, I have deals with Bin Laden`s family, I endorse the Patriot Act that cuts your freedom…yeah, I am the hater.
This guy is a moron.
There is a debate among who?
Lindzen vs. ICPP? Hello?
June 26th, 2006 at 5:04 pmYour comments taught me alot about yoru motives.
I have no problem with a Republican tacking global warming. None at all. In fact, it could be more effective, like Nixon going to China.
But we’ve heard promises before from Bush on this issue. He undercut Christy Whitman, who claimed that Bush was going to take action.
Also, he’s gone after his own scientists when they’ve tried to speak out.
http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?ID=5796&Method=Full&PageCall=&Title=Hansen%3A%20NASA%27s%20Censorship%20is%20Spreading%20to%20NOAA&Cache=False
Plus there’s the shelving of the climate satellites, rewriting EPA scientific reports. The list goes on and on.
There’s going to have to be copious action, not just lip service, to earn my trust.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:07 pmReally? How can any of you say that there is no debate on global warming. I happen to think that you liberals are wrong on that topic. You think you are right. Hence, there is a debate. I will not believe in global warming until my house is floating down the street, and when is the last time you heard of that happening?
June 26th, 2006 at 5:09 pm“The truth of the matter is, if this country wants to get rid of its greenhouse gases, we’ve got to have the nuclear power industry be vibrant and viable,†he said.
oil in the right pocket… nuk-u-lar in the other?
June 26th, 2006 at 5:17 pm” NUclear power is not without its problems, but it would help address global warming and it could in a big way.”
No it could not. Certainly not in a big way. Or do you want hundreds of nuclear reactors in China and India? Hello?
Gore, just like on global warming, has a much better insight on this one, too.
Don’t delude yourself that nuke energy will somehow replace coal. It will not happen. It may help somewhat but it’s not a solution.
Want to make a bet?
Q:Let’s turn briefly to some proposed solutions. Nuclear power is making a big resurgence now, rebranded as a solution to climate change. What do you think?
Gore:I doubt nuclear power will play a much larger role than it does now.
Q:Won’t, or shouldn’t?
Gore:Won’t. There are serious problems that have to be solved, and they are not limited to the long-term waste-storage issue and the vulnerability-to-terrorist-attack issue. Let’s assume for the sake of argument that both of those problems can be solved.
We still have other issues. For eight years in the White House, every weapons-proliferation problem we dealt with was connected to a civilian reactor program. And if we ever got to the point where we wanted to use nuclear reactors to back out a lot of coal — which is the real issue: coal — then we’d have to put them in so many places we’d run that proliferation risk right off the reasonability scale. And we’d run short of uranium, unless they went to a breeder cycle or something like it, which would increase the risk of weapons-grade material being available.
When energy prices go up, the difficulty of projecting demand also goes up — uncertainty goes up. So utility executives naturally want to place their bets for future generating capacity on smaller increments that are available more quickly, to give themselves flexibility. Nuclear reactors are the biggest increments, that cost the most money, and take the most time to build.
In any case, if they can design a new generation [of reactors] that’s manifestly safer, more flexible, etc., it may play some role, but I don’t think it will play a big role.
http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/05/09/roberts/index.html
June 26th, 2006 at 5:18 pmGoat – Three Mile Island was in the United States… so apparently, we cannot do better than Russia.
Also, all that waste is stored in Nevada, right? Well, California is experiencing an abnoramlly high rate of boys born with autism. You might not wanna think there’s a connection – but let them bury that crap in your backyard and I bet you’ll fight like hell to stop it.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:23 pmTo Gringo,
I don’t listen to Gore. He had 8 years to fix global warming and didn’t lift a finger. He just talked about it so currently, he ain’t any better then Bush on the subject. Also, he simply said Nuke energy “won’t” be important when asked if it Won’t or shouldn’t. We can reason that he believes it could be an answer, but believes we will not use it. Makes sense, since he had 8 years himself to do anything about it and failed.
To JJ,
Of course he shelved the climate satalites. That is a momumental waste of tax payer money if he already agrees that gloabl warming is real and is a serious problem. What would these satalites teach him anyways since he already knows it is a problem? Don’t waste tax payer money to simply reaffirm what you already believe. Bush did a very smart thing in not wasting cash on that program since we already know it is a problem.
You guys want to simply discuss whether there is or isn’t a debate. Bush has gone past that and is looking for solutions.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:26 pmUnbelievable,
Your great at putting an idea down, but how about some idea’s yourself?
June 26th, 2006 at 5:27 pmFurthermore,
Are boys in Nevada experiencing higher rates of autism? I mean, you are discussing nuke waste in 1 state and linking it to a different one. I would hope Neveda would be much worse then California. Hell, I spilled waste oil in my back yard 2 years ago and there was an autistic child born 14 miles away, did I cause that?
June 26th, 2006 at 5:29 pmYou guys want to simply discuss whether there is or isn’t a debate. Bush has gone past that and is looking for solutions.
Just look at the title of the post you’re reading. And logically, the solutions we implement are predicated on how much warming we are causing.
What would these satalites teach him anyways since he already knows it is a problem?
Probably I shouldn’t be arguing with someone who can’t spell satellite. But if we’re serious about studying the best way to have an effect on the problem, the least we can do is spend at least as much on the satellites studying Earth’s climate as we are on a mission to Mars.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:33 pmJJ,
I disagree. If Bush already agrees that global warming is a serious problem, there is no point to send billions of dollars into space to take nice pictures of the problems. We already understand that Co2 is the problem. Bush proposed some solutions. You can agree or disagree with his solutions, but you should give him credit for seeing the problem and having an initial idea of how to start fighting it.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:39 pmBush has gone past that and is looking for solutions.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:40 pmComment by Goat
Yeah, right. What about Kyoto Accord? See post #9. Is he doing something about it other than spitting crap that you buy like it was gold?
there is no point to send billions of dollars into space to take nice pictures of the problems.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:42 pmComment by Goat
Cause thats all satellites do: take pictures. Shut up.
Your great at putting an idea down, but how about some idea’s yourself?
Comment by Goat — June 26, 2006 @ 5:27 pm
Man you’re crabby… Relax and stop reading everyone’s posts with a negative tone. This is why you guys don’t hear us – you attach the wrong tone to our posts.
I’ve said this several times already, but okay. The $300 we spent on Iraq? Could have gone to develop affordable solar power and associated sustainable storage systems. Because bottom line – if the sun isn’t here – neither are we.
Also- kinetic energy. As long as the environment isn’t compromised – there’s a huge amount of power there to be harnessed. We even have two coasts!
Wind power seems to be working well in the areas that use it.
Oh, and while Spirit and Opportunity are amazing. We really didn’t need two. They cost $410 million EACH.
The rich didn’t need a tax cut. There’s billions more.
I’m sure there’s more – but you get my point.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:47 pmGore:Won’t. There are serious problems that have to be solved, and they are not limited to the long-term waste-storage issue and the vulnerability-to-terrorist-attack issue.
Wow…I actually agree with Al Gore on something. Well, I guess there is a first time for everything.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:50 pmAre boys in Nevada experiencing higher rates of autism? I mean, you are discussing nuke waste in 1 state and linking it to a different one. I would hope Neveda would be much worse then California. Hell, I spilled waste oil in my back yard 2 years ago and there was an autistic child born 14 miles away, did I cause that?
Comment by Goat — June 26, 2006 @ 5:29 pm
Natural resources don’t recognize state boundaries… just people.
In the natural flow of water, it goes to the ocean. Nevada, as you know, has no ocean front.
I don’t know about Nevada. They have less people so it might be harder to compare. I know about California becasue when I lived there, my firm designed schools for the autistic and because my cousin’s son is autistic. Two sources.
I’m not being sarcastic or rude with you. In fact, the other day, I thought we established decorum talking about Global Warming. But if you’re gonna be an asshole when I’m trying to be serious, then you can talk to yourself.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:53 pmI think Global warming is caused by man. I think it is a very serious problem myself. I also think the Kyoto Accord is a bad idea for the US economy as a whole.
If I was in charge (help us all) I would first work to get us off foreign Oil. I would definetly tap our own oil in Anwar, the Florida coast, and California. Furthermore, I would invest in Nuclear power. I would also invest in wind power were it would work (southwest Minnesota has huge wind farms). I would also work with the car companies to promote efficeint engines. Ethanol could also help, but I would look into it more before judging it as it kinda looks like another farm subsidy. I would take away all subsidies to Oil companies as they are perfectly profitable without them. That money could then be used properly to research valid new technologies to reduce our need for Oil. I would only use a new technology if it was just as powerful and useable as Oil for things like cars. Lastly, I would rely heavily on the free market to introduce any changes. The free market through time will easily raise the price of Oil to a point were alternatives are economically valid. I would not impose alternatives since doing that will doom them to failure as the free market will chew them up ans spit them out. Government waste would also be looked at and targeted for cuts.
You may not agree with my plan, but at least I put one out there.
June 26th, 2006 at 5:53 pmI would rely heavily on the free market to introduce any changes.
Comment by Goat — June 26, 2006 @ 5:53 pm
that worked so well with the electric car GM introduced…
June 26th, 2006 at 6:10 pm“In 1996 Electric cars began to appear on roads all over California. They were quiet and fast, produced no exhaust, and ran without gasoline.”
who killed the electric car?
google those 5 words – all kinds of info…
Riiiight . . . as if this War Criminal some fools call a president has a clue.
June 26th, 2006 at 6:12 pmHe’s a war monger, pure and simple.
Does anyone even take the time to hear what the hell comes out if his continuously lieing pie-hole?
I didn’t think so.
His opinion and words have the same credibility level as his Uncle Dickey’s . . . . ZERO.
The dumb asses are even turning off their fux news broadcasts . . . . ha!
That’s a problem.
The free market through time will easily raise the price of Oil to a point were alternatives are economically valid.
So rather than putting federal money into research to bring the cost of alternatives down, you would rather the cost of non-alternatives go up to match a price that you today consider “not economically valid.”
I think you mean economically viable, but this is a new use of the term that involves wrecking the economy.
June 26th, 2006 at 6:12 pmNo wonder Junior doesn’t like to be on television. He looks and sounds like an idiot.
June 26th, 2006 at 6:22 pmWow…You folks will rip into Bush even when he agrees with you. He said global climate is a “serious problem.” He said the question over how much of climate change is attributable to man-made causes is irrelevant to the extend that we need to move beyond that debate. He proposed some things that can be done to reduce “greenhouse” emissions, citing cited “clean-coal technology,” efforts to develop automobiles powered by hydrogen or ethanol, and his push for the United States to develop significant new nuclear energy capabilities (Personally, I disagree with the nuclear energy suggestion)….Seems to me like he has come around to the side of the majority of posters here.
June 26th, 2006 at 6:35 pmWell, GWB proves how really, really stupid he is. That’s what happens when you don’t believe in science. I assume he thinks the earth is flat and that the sun, moon and stars all orbit around the earth. What a laughing stock he is. Are you Republicans proud of your ignorant macho boy?
June 26th, 2006 at 6:40 pmStupid idiot!
June 26th, 2006 at 6:54 pm(Personally, I disagree with the nuclear energy suggestion)
that’s a good thing… glad of that… really… i hope…
….Seems to me like he has come around to the side of the majority of posters here.
Comment by Exley — June 26, 2006 @ 6:35 pm
no, most of the posters here do not think “there is a debate” over the cause…
June 26th, 2006 at 7:09 pmExley – Welcome to the cite that HATES George W. Bush ALL the time about EVERYTHING!!! The majority of these trash talkers waste their employers time or are waiting to collect their benefit check….
Dear Faiz – I don’t doubt VILE man’s contribution to green house gases. BUT I have FIVE words for you : Mt. Pinotuabo &&& Mt. St. Helens. GO BACK and look what those volcanic eruptions did to the ozone layer.
June 26th, 2006 at 7:13 pmWarning: ad hominem attack follows:
MA:
You’re as ignorant as your macho boy Decider.
June 26th, 2006 at 7:35 pmHow did this guy get elected President? He’s an embarassment to the U.S.
June 26th, 2006 at 7:40 pmBecoming less dependent on foreign oil will do nothing for global warming… Junior is a dunce!
June 26th, 2006 at 7:42 pmHe said global climate is a “serious problem.â€
It’s not what he says. It’s what he does. He said he’d cut CO2 emmisions on the campaign trail. What did we get? Nada.
When you consider his history on this matter (which I alluded to above), and his refusal to even state the science realistically. It’s hard to expect more this time.
June 26th, 2006 at 7:47 pm#46- Goat- “vibrant and viable”? What GWB means by this is no legal or financial liability for the nuclear power companies, should there be any ‘unfortunate incidents’, due to any negligence on their part. It is the fear of potential lawsuits that prevents building nuclear power plants, like they are certain that things will go wrong, even before they start. That does not instill confidence, you know?
June 26th, 2006 at 7:49 pmGoat, and other trolls,
President Bush has rejected calls by environmentalists and some lawmakers in Congress to regulate carbon dioxide, the leading heat-trapping “greenhouse” gas going into the atmosphere. Bush favors voluntary actions and development of new technologies to curtail such emissions.
But a dozen states argued that carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping chemicals from automobile tailpipes should be treated as unhealthy pollutants. They filed a lawsuit in an effort to force the EPA to curtail such emissions just as it does cancer-causing lead and chemicals that produce smog and acid rain.
June 26th, 2006 at 8:02 pm—So do you see why we are questioning “King George”? He says one thing, and does the complete opposite! Voluntary actions, he says. And “Good stewards”; what the hell is that supposed to mean?
These are NOT sound ideas. I see no solutions.
Little Willy- You never heard of Mt. Pinotaubo????
But allow me to compliment you – your “ad hominem” – at least it was clean and we can laugh about it around the dinner table tonight. (We WON’T be laughing at you, though….)
June 26th, 2006 at 8:54 pm“Little” Aphrodike:
Of course I’ve heard of Mt. Pinatubo (Luzon, Philippines). Why do you make such an unwarranted assumption?
Sorry about the ad hominem attack. I try not to do them, but when I read posts that are full of misinformation and unnecessary disparagement, like yours are, it’s difficult to resist.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:19 pmThis is one ignorant Moron…can we change channels now?
June 26th, 2006 at 9:24 pmThis is a living nightmare. All the wrong assholes are in power, all the wrong decisions are being made, all the wrong priorities are being set.
All the while, it’s a race against the global warming clock…and with these shitheads in power, we’re losing valuable time.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:29 pmThere is no debate…
Our president, ladies and gentlemen, is a lying dope if he believes his own words:QUESTION: I know you’ve said you are not planning to see Al Gore’s new movie, but do you agree with the premise that global warming is…
June 26th, 2006 at 9:53 pmHEY, 55. GOAT. I’m sure you’re a good man, caring enough to engage in this debate rather than not at all, as so many Americans engage in . . . umm, let’s see . . . Pop Culture. But, I must respectfully disagree with you . . .
CLIMATE SATELLITES are more critical than ever, for numerous reasons other than tracking global warming. (READ QUOTE FROM ARTICLE BELOW.) The reason they’re being dumped is not because it wastes taxpayers dollars, but because the oil & gas industries are afraid that the scientists will eventually come up with the overwhelming evidence needed to force Bush’s hand.
And note that Bush came conspicuously short of stating any specifics – that in that so-called ‘debate’ the great majority of scientists believe greenhouse gases are to blame. In other words, he was being a politician, like so many presidents before him. That you choose not to see/write that proves you’re just as partisan as the liberals here. I could give a good god damn whose idea, Dems or Pubs, for I happen to be head-over-heals in love with my Grandson & Granddaugher, and would very much like them to have at least half the chance I did (growing up in an America wherein one working adult could financially sustain a house, car, garage, education, etc. without the need for a second income. Fine, let the 3rd World catch up, let us have to work harder, let the middle class disappear because we still have it better than most throughout history – but at least let us live without a chaotic climate that’ll destroy the world’s economy, to name just one of many catastrophic repercussions.
ARTICLE:
“NASA shelves climate satellites
June 26th, 2006 at 10:26 pmEnvironmental science may suffer
By Beth Daley, Globe Staff | June 9, 2006
NASA is canceling or delaying a number of satellites designed to give scientists critical information on the earth’s changing climate and environment.
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The space agency has shelved a $200 million satellite mission headed by a Massachusetts Institute of Technology professor that was designed to measure soil moisture — a key factor in helping scientists understand the impact of global warming and predict droughts and floods. The Deep Space Climate Observatory, intended to observe climate factors such as solar radiation, ozone, clouds, and water vapor more comprehensively than existing satellites, also has been canceled.
And in its 2007 budget, NASA proposes significant delays in a global precipitation measuring mission to help with weather predictions, as well as the launch of a satellite designed to increase the timeliness and accuracy of severe weather forecasts and improve climate models.
The changes come as NASA prioritizes its budget to pay for completion of the International Space Station and the return of astronauts to the moon by 2020 — a goal set by President Bush that promises a more distant and arguably less practical scientific payoff. Ultimately, scientists say, the delays and cancellations could make hurricane predictions less accurate, create gaps in long-term monitoring of weather, and result in less clarity about the earth’s hydrological systems, which play an integral part in climate change.”
Go to the White House web page and search for the phrase “global warming.” As of last Saturday, there was nothing. No results. Zip. Zero. Zilch. He doesn’t care about this issue AT ALL.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:37 pmAll responses to the ‘threats’ facing us from GW will be based on the ‘cost’ to the Corporations, that contribute directly to the worsening effects from GW. All other considerations come in a FAR distant second. Business as usual for BushCo. But as Hurricane Katrina starkly demonstrated, and still does, doing nothing, while you had the chance to, is far more costly, in EVERY way. But that is not how BushCo works, as we are well aware. Can’t afford it, prior to a disaster, after the disaster, money is no object, the supply is endless to pay for those no-bid contracts, whether the work is done, or not…ever. And no one is responsible for any of it, unless you dare to object. Then it is ALL the objector’s fault. They are being ‘mean’.
June 27th, 2006 at 12:36 amClimate change is cyclical. This graph proves that. TP is wrong when they says there is no real scientific debate, implying that scientists don’t need to study climate change anymore. That’s absurd. Looks like TP is making great efforts to suppress evidence.
http://www.koshland-science-museum.org/exhibitgcc/historical02.jsp
“As recorded in ice cores from Vostok, Antarctica, the temperature near the South Pole has varied by more than 20 degrees Fahrenheit during the last 350,000 years. There have been peaks of warmth approximately every 100,000 years. The temperature and the carbon dioxide concentrations at the south pole parallel each other. The rise and fall of temperatures gives rise to the ice age/interglacial cycle. “
June 27th, 2006 at 3:09 amThe temperature and the carbon dioxide concentrations at the south pole parallel each other. The rise and fall of temperatures gives rise to the ice age/interglacial cycle.
As they say, “no sh%*, Sherlock,” only this time we’re putting the CO2 in the atmosphere ourselves. We’ve increased CO2 levels by 30% since the beginning of the industrial revolution. So the temperature will parallel the changes that we’re making to the atmosphere.
And as for there being no real scientific debate, the scientists that Bush himself convened to study the problem, began their report by saying:
http://www.heatisonline.org/contentserver/objecthandlers/index.cfm?id=3713&method=full
June 27th, 2006 at 7:30 amMemphis Minnie,
Get back to Graceland. You are ignorant. Man has had a huge effect on the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. If you refuse to believe it, go look for Elvis– he is alive and living in Washington, DC.
June 27th, 2006 at 9:13 amMA wrote: Dear Faiz – I don’t doubt VILE man’s contribution to green house gases. BUT I have FIVE words for you : Mt. Pinotuabo &&& Mt. St. Helens. GO BACK and look what those volcanic eruptions did to the ozone layer.
MA, are you purposefully trying to muddy the discussion or do you simply not understand that green house gases (CO2 primarily) and ozone depletion are separate issues?
June 27th, 2006 at 11:05 amZooski: Unfortunately that’s par for the course these days.
Aphrodite: Here’s a good overview of climate change from the BBC:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/sci_nat/04/climate_change/html/climate.stm
Aphrodite: Maybe even you can have something intelligent to contribute some time. You seem awfully uninformed for someone naming themselves after a Woody Allen gig…
June 27th, 2006 at 11:20 amAnd Think Progress takes the quote from the NAS report out of context for the third time…
June 27th, 2006 at 12:20 pm#104
Your link tells us:
“Because there is considerable uncertainty in current understanding of how the climate system varies naturally and reacts to emissions of greenhouse gases and aerosols, current estimates of the magnitude of future warming should be regarded as tentative and subject to future adjustments.”
Climate change is cyclical. Human activity creates CO2 but so do increasing temperatures.
June 27th, 2006 at 12:35 pmGo to the White House web page and search for the phrase “global warming.†As of last Saturday, there was nothing. No results. Zip. Zero. Zilch. He doesn’t care about this issue AT ALL.
How about “climate change”? 279 hits. Don’t play games.
June 27th, 2006 at 2:29 pm#103 and #108
Okay – Memphis Minnie and Sexion – back to basics:
From the findings of EPICA ( European Project for Ice Coning in Antartica )
” Experiments conducted on Antartic ice cones indicate carbon dioxide is at its highest level during the past 650,000 years.”
In addition -
” CO2 is about 30% higher than at any time and methane is 130% higher than at any time; and the rates of increase are absolutely exceptional: for CO2 – 200 times faster than at any time in the last 650,000 years.”
This is a fact. No different than me telling you that France beat Spain today in World Cup competition or that the Yankees beat the Braves yesterday in baseball competition.
In addition, I would be interested in hearing your arguments as to how CO2 being 30% higher than anything seen in the last 650,000 years is “irrelevant” – given CO2’s key role in the envirionment. Or how almost anything that is 30% higher than anything seen over 650,000 years is “business as usual.”
The same goes for a rate of increase for a key environmental determinant that is 200 times faster than anything seen in the past 650,000 years.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4467420.stm
or Google
“CO2 ‘highest for 650,000 years’ ” “Richard Black” “BBC News”
June 27th, 2006 at 7:05 pmRemember, Gore came in Second. That is because he had 8 years to fix global warming, and is now showing the world his failures……
Gore should stick to inventing the internet and leave the global warming to science.
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January 23rd, 2007 at 9:34 pmPhysicist Fred Singer,Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark both have upcomming books (backed with scientific experiments) and argue that global warminng is a natural Phenomenon. Others have also argued this line. If of majority scientists think something (world is flat, man cannot set foot on the moon) that does not make it so and there is very little public debate about this.
I’m glad I live in a country where individuals think before participating in a treaty that would allow foreign governments participate in rationing US energy use. Instead of international rationing (good luck getting China to sign on to Kyoto or something similar) why not build something and participate in a joint effort to find alternate sources of energy.
By the way, we use the most energy per capita because we can.
January 31st, 2007 at 12:43 amOops… Pentagon Says Global Warming Is Real…
Apparently, the Bush Administration forgot to tell the Pentagon that global warming is nothing more than a hoax perpetrated by the Left:Climate chang……
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