ThinkFast AM: June 26, 2006
ThinkFast AM: June 26, 2006
“Climate experts have started to worry that the ice cap is disappearing in ways that computer models had not predicted.†Greenland’s glaciers are melting twice as fast as they were five years ago. Should all of the ice sheet thaw, sea levels could rise by 21 feet and swamp the world’s coastal cities.
As the summer heat soars to over 120 degrees in Iraq, “power supply still falls about 33% short of demand.” Power in Baghdad comes on for approximately 90 minutes once every six hours.
Former CIA officer Tyler Drumheller said he personally crossed out a reference to Iraq’s supposed mobile bioweapons labs from a classified draft of Colin Powell’s Feb. 2002 U.N. speech because he recognized the source (”Curveball”) as someone who was mentally unstable and a liar. Powell still claimed to “have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and rails.â€
$135,000: Amount White House staffers have accepted in free trips since Nov. 2004. Among those picking up the tab are some of the President’s top business supporters and dozens of conservative and religious groups.
Leading conservative members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee said that the administration should talk directly with North Korea to resolve the ongoing tensions. “We need to talk directly with North Korea. The sooner we do that, the sooner we’re going to get this resolved,” said Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE). Chairman Richard Lugar (R-IN) also lent his support to the idea.
“The White House and key congressional committees have begun crafting legislation that would try to overcome legal objections to the Bush administration’s controversial domestic surveillance program and subject it to review by a secret intelligence court.â€
In July 2005, “Bush’s business backers were cheered by the appointment of Judge [John] Roberts.†After the completion of his first term, Bloomberg reports why: “Companies and business groups got most of what they sought in Chief Justice John Roberts’s first U.S. Supreme Court term, including limits on antitrust and securities suits and the prospect of new caps on punitive damages next year.â€
Japan admits to buying pro-whaling votes: “Less than a week since Japan and its allies scored a stunning victory at the International Whaling Commission (IWC) conference – paving the way for a possible return to commercial whaling – the Japanese government has inadvertently revealed how it was done: by buying the votes it needed.â€
2 million: Number of passports the Iraqi government has issued in the past 10 months as the country’s best, brightest flee from violence. More than 40 percent of Iraq’s professional class has left the country since late 2003.
And finally: British army mascot Billy the goat was demoted in disgrace “after it marched out of line before a host of dignitaries during a parade to mark Queen Elizabeth II’s birthday.†One soldier accused Billy of “trying to head-butt the waist and nether regions of the drummers.†“Since the goat’s demotion, soldiers of a lower rank are no longer expected to salute Billy as a sign of respect,†said a spokesman.
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“The White House and key congressional committees have begun crafting legislation that would try to overcome legal objections to the Bush administration’s controversial domestic surveillance program and subject it to review by a secret intelligence court.â€
Sure, now that President Bush has perfected his system of signing bills into law and then issuing unconstitutional signing statements that say he will only follow the law when he feels it doesn’t interfere with his powers as “Commander-in-Chief”, his own interpretation of the law, or his own interpretation of the US Constitution.
In light of that, it really makes no difference one way or the other whether Congress passes any legislation in this area. This president will ignore it at “the whim of a hat” (to borrow one of his actual phrases.)
June 26th, 2006 at 9:07 amIf the FISA court reviews the spying program they will reject it. Isn’t this why they bypassed them in the first place?
June 26th, 2006 at 9:08 am2 million of the “best and brightest” leave Iraq?
So, if we occupy Iraq for about 10 more years, we will have run everyone out of the country and solved the “Iraqi problem”!
And they say Pres. Bush didn’t have a plan for Iraq! Oh, those silly Democratic naysayers! What will they claim next? That the tax cuts overwhelmingly favor the rich? That the debt is the highest in the world? That Constitutional civil rights are threatened by over-reaching of the “unitary executive” powers that Pres. Bush is creating?
June 26th, 2006 at 9:09 amShould all of the ice sheet thaw, sea levels could rise by 21 feet and swamp the world’s coastal cities.
I should amend my post to say ‘decreasing resources’. That’s even worse than limited.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:10 am$135,000: Amount White House staffers have accepted in free trips since Nov. 2004. Among those picking up the tab are some of the President’s top business supporters and dozens of conservative and religious groups.
You mean the religious groups that don’t pay taxes because they are supposedly humble and poor?
Christianity and Capitalism go hand-in-hand. Selling God for a price.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:13 am#4, unbelieveable,
Only 21 feet? I am set, since I am 7 floors up oceanside, I just need to dust off my sea kayak for my new commute. I guess this makes Al Gore one of the four horsemen of the Apocalypse?
June 26th, 2006 at 9:14 amJason,
Well, just as long as you are okay – that’s all that matters. Who cares about anyone else, right?
I hope the foundations of your building are on stable bedrock and the building is sea-worthy waterproofed. Otherwise, that 7 story apartment won’t help you very much. You might also wanna pick yourself up a row boat so you can leave your home, should it be able to subsist within the ocean….
June 26th, 2006 at 9:20 amThinkProgress,
Did Divine Strake go off in the Nevada desert as re-scheduled last Friday? I thought the test was postponed from June 2 to June 23rd. I’ve been having a hard time finding any information on it. Thanks.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:28 am#6 – That would only be true if he facilitated global warming. Al Gore is more in line with Paul Revere: Global Warming is coming!
Since Pres. Bush doesn’t want any legislation that could possibly slow global warming, nor does he want any to join those countries that do by being a part of the Kyoto Treaty, HE is more like one of the horsemen of the Apocalypse.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:28 am#7, unbelievable,
sea kayak = rowboat
My building is a new construction on a barrier isalnd chain, so I think I will be OK. Everyone else should have planned ahead as I did – LOL. Adapt or die, sister.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:28 amWe should definitely be talking to North Korea. Their leader is by all accounts certifiably crazy and wanting world attention. Clinton kept a conversation going with him and he primarily only talked crazy. Bush labels his country part of the axis of evil and ignores him otherwise. Now he seems to be moving toward acting crazy to garner that attention and to protect himself (just because you’re crazy doesn’t mean they aren’t out to get you).
June 26th, 2006 at 9:28 am6. I guess that makes Bush the horses ass of the Apocalypse…
There must be 50 Ways To Dump The Dubya
June 26th, 2006 at 9:33 amIf the Greenland ice sheet melts, then New Orleans and most of Florida will submerge underwater! Bus Junior will not care because his ranch is in the middle of Texas!
June 26th, 2006 at 9:34 amIf the Greenland ice sheet melts, then New Orleans and most of Florida will submerge underwater! Bush Junior will not care because his ranch is in the middle of Texas!
June 26th, 2006 at 9:35 am#10 i like how you think!!
June 26th, 2006 at 9:36 amsea kayak = rowboat
No – a sea kayak is a closed one person boat designed specifically for the ocean.
A row boat is an open boat into which you can also transport other people or things larger than the glove compartment of a kayak.
My building is a new construction on a barrier isalnd chain, so I think I will be OK. Everyone else should have planned ahead as I did – LOL.
As someone who practiced architecture for 14 years, I can almost bet that your building was NOT designed to be submerged in any part. They aren’t designed for being sea water resistent. I doubt you’ve planned at all, considering you have put yourself in an unsustainable situation.
Adapt or die, sister.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 9:28 am
They you’ll be going extinct before I will. I live at 1,020 feet above sea level. No boats required.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:36 am#13 – True. but he’ll lose much of Houston if this happens. Houston is between 0 and 90 feet of elevation, and since he’s sold his soul to Halliburton, that would mean he’s gotta do something about that city. Maybe he’ll grant Halliburton a tax break so they can move all their offices further inland?
For the most part coastal cities voted Democrat, so Pres. Bush doesn’t care much if they all go under. He’s only worried about the rich and Republicans. Preferably rich Republicans.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:40 am#13 – JR,
June 26th, 2006 at 9:41 amThe increased surface area of the oceans will result in more rainfall, making the brush grow faster. W is just insuring that he has enough brush coming in for the rest of his life so he can continue to clear it. He may have to pave his bike paths as the mud will be really bad.
#8 Wayne,
June 26th, 2006 at 9:41 amWe must be on the same brain waves this weekend – I just checked into Divine Strake on Saturday, because it was supposed to have been rescheduled for this week in June, and I believe the event has been postponed. There was a lot of opposition from Indian tribes, plus the negative coverage in the media (those who dared to even mention it), so it has been shelved for now.
At least that was my understanding.
#10 – I’m assuming that you’ve “adapted” to drink sea water rather than fresh water.
Once your building becomes inundated by sea/ocean water, you’ll either have to “adapt” or die.
Well, I guess that moving away from your current location could be considered “adapting”. Adaptation by relocation. ;-)
June 26th, 2006 at 9:47 am#16, unbelievable,
My sea kayak is all I need, has minimal storage and loops for a fishing pole – picture me as old man of the sea. With my luck, I will hook a Florida lobster that will tow me to Cuba …
June 26th, 2006 at 9:48 am#20, Dem Soldier,
No, I will paddle my kayak for supplies, and maitain my vigil against Haitian refugees …
June 26th, 2006 at 9:50 amWith my luck, I will hook a Florida lobster that will tow me to Cuba …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 9:48
One could only hope!!!
June 26th, 2006 at 9:51 amPosts 17 and 18 > This is serious about Greenland, but Bush will remain clueless no matter what happens > he will probably say as long as it happens after his presidency, then so what!
21 feet rise in oceans would flood all the beach cities in America, but most of Florida would submerge to become an underwater sandspit! Odd that anyone on the coast would think no problem if they live in a high condo > waves would batter the buildings to bits eventually!
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June 26th, 2006 at 9:54 amMy sea kayak is all I need, has minimal storage and loops for a fishing pole – picture me as old man of the sea. With my luck, I will hook a Florida lobster that will tow me to Cuba …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 9:48 am
I doubt it. Again, I had a career that taught me a lot about thinking things through. I don’t think you have. But you’re too arrogant to believe you aren’t literally an island. Just don’t you dare ask for help when your plan sinks (literally). And I’d bet that it will.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:54 am#26, unbelievable,
Wow, other posters can tell that I am joking, why can’t you?
June 26th, 2006 at 9:57 amNo, I will paddle my kayak for supplies, and maitain my vigil against Haitian refugees …
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 9:50 am
How will you afford these supplies if you can’t work because their are no businesses in teh ocean?
How will you paddle hundreds of miles each way?
How will you get electricity and potable water when the ocean cuts them off for you?
How will you get rid of your wastes considering there will be no processing facility?
That’s just the tip of the iceberg… pun intended.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:58 am#19 Marie, Thanks for the update. I have been googling it for about a week now and I can find nothing new. I heard that the first re-schedule date was this past Friday (the 23rd), but I haven’ t heard anything since. And Randi Rhodes is on vacation. She was my main source of info about this. And you’re right in that the government would prefer that we never heard of this in the first place. Too bad for them. We know now.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:00 amWow, other posters can tell that I am joking, why can’t you?
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 9:57 am
In all humor, there is a kernal of truth. You’re pretending to joke about it now that you’ve been called out on your lack of fore-thought. You’re not really joking. You neocons don’t have a sense of humor.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:02 am#24 – Does anyone have a graphical projection of what the American coast would look like if the oceans rose by 20-25 feet? I thought there was a site that showed that, but I cannot find it anymore.
By the way, I think that Mr. Hendler is just being facetious about staying in his high-rise if the ocean levels were to rise should we attempt to do nothing about global warming. First, I’m sure the rising seal levels would drive everyone else away from the area leaving him no source for food/water supplies. Second, I’m pretty confident that the building owners would sell well before the sea rose that high and evict everyone from the location.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:02 amComment by Democrat Soldier — June 26, 2006 @ 10:02 am
My experience in life is that the arrogant believe it will never happen to them. And as a result, it almost always does. Look at the fruitcakes in Florida who had the means to leave during the various hurricanes there, but chose not to out of arrogance. They are the people on the news saying “I didn’t think it was gonna get that bad.”
June 26th, 2006 at 10:07 am#30 – I’m not so sure that Mr. Hendler is a “neo-con”. He has not butchered the English language, his spelling is correct, and his derision is relatively understated.
He may be a “conservative” of the old school. You know, the ones that only exist outside of politics now-a-days? If he were an elected “conservative”, he would have sold his ethics for an appointment to some committee or some such thing.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:07 amIf Jason is joking about anything, it is Global Warming. He doesn’t think it will happen. Even though it already is.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:09 am#32 – You mean like the current administration saying “nobody could have predicted that would happen!”???? ;-)
June 26th, 2006 at 10:09 amDem Soldier – go read Jason’s posts from yesterday. I’m not just assuming.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:10 am#32, unbelievable,
LOL – you are harshing my buzz (plain donuts and Vault soda) ….
If you can’t see in my first post, that the sea kayak and 4th horseman of the apocalypse aren’t totally flippant, then your have no sense of humor.
#33, Dem Soldier,
I have previously stated that I am a centrist libetarian. I don’t seek positions, other than placing myself at the crux of the most important problems and solving them, which I’ve done regardless of titles, which came later.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:13 am#16- Ms.Unbelievable, ‘plan ahead’, huh? This coming from someone whose party denies that there is any reason to plan ahead, because GW does not exist, it’s something that the Left ‘made up’. “Adapt or die”? The Right is in BIG trouble here. Adapting is similar to evolving, and they are totally against that!
OT- I would like to propose a “Jason M. Hendler” Free Day. He adds less than nothing to the discourse here, and it would be nice to skip over his opinionated opinions, for the day. Any takers? Please?
June 26th, 2006 at 10:14 am#38 – Cyra, I’m signing on to the Jason-free day. So freeing…
June 26th, 2006 at 10:16 am“Home for Sale”
June 26th, 2006 at 10:17 amHyannis, MA
Cheap.
If you can’t see in my first post, that the sea kayak and 4th horseman of the apocalypse aren’t totally flippant, then your have no sense of humor.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 10:13 am
I have a great sense of humor. But based on your previous posts it is clear that you do not. Besides, you overly religious types never joke about the Bible. You thnk that stuff is true.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:18 am#37 – So, your flippant comment about Global Warming was to address and solve a problem. . . . how?
Do you truly believe that Global Warming is a “boondoggle of the left”, or are you just delving into levity?
June 26th, 2006 at 10:18 amSome weather experts/scientists believe it would take at least a hundred years for Greenland’s ice sheet to completely melt, but actually its effect on raising ocean levels would start rather quickly! As the ice/glaciers melt the ocean would start rising slowly every year, so beaches would start eroding and waves going further inland too! Anyone who owns beachfront property would be wise to sell out to another sucker now!
June 26th, 2006 at 10:20 am#38, Cyra,
For your benefit, I will get serious.
As for adapting, usually the party out of power will retool with new ideas, new candidates, etc., in order to recapture the mainstream, yet, since 1994, Dems have only tried to repeat themselves ever louder and more frantically. You complain about global warming, but then talk about “renewable” fuels such as ethanol or bio-diesal, which make absolutely no improvement to greenhouse gas emissions, as well as causing a devastating environmental impact by requiring more land be cultivated to produce the crops required to replace petroleum fuels.
Democrats and their policies are NOT serious.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:20 am#38 – Unbelievable has a working brain, therefore she is not a member of the Republican party nor the “right wing”. Please, see her previous posts for her political affiliation.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:20 amAdapt or die, sister
June 26th, 2006 at 10:20 amComment by Jason
So you want to die that badly, Jason?
“Adapt or die� The Right is in BIG trouble here. Adapting is similar to evolving, and they are totally against that!
Comment by Cyra Brown — June 26, 2006 @ 10:14 am
Good point.
I already skip most of the usual trolls. At least Jason is more pleasant than Mighty Anus. He might be irrational, but he has good manners and tries to have a conversation – unlike that freak of nature that calls himself a mother.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:22 am#39- Thanks Zoo, you’re a doll!!
June 26th, 2006 at 10:23 amI have previously stated that I am a centrist libetarian
June 26th, 2006 at 10:25 amComment by Jason
As long as that doesnt mean you have to loose your commodities, right? As Bolsheviks, you know the ones you said were merciless killers, would want you to.
#48 – Yeah, a Bride of Frankenstein doll this morning! Better tend to the hair…
June 26th, 2006 at 10:25 amI live near Atlanta, at present, so like unbelievable our location has no problem, but coastal Georgia would lose Savanna and all the small islands along the coast! There are maps of what the US coastlines would look like with about a 20 to 25 feet ocean level rise > about 10% of the US surface area would be lost to the rising oceans!
June 26th, 2006 at 10:26 am#44 – For someone who avoids “labels” for himself, you’re more than happy to throw labels at others. Hypocrisy much?
In order to refute your claim about ethanol, check this site: http://everything2.com/?node_id=1401855
You’ll be surprised to learn that ethanol is not the pollution hog you currently believe.
Will you change your opinion of Democrats when they win seats this coming November?
June 26th, 2006 at 10:27 amThis just in:Larry Silverstein has bought the Sears Tower in Chicago . Same guy who bought the Twin Towers just before 9/11
June 26th, 2006 at 10:28 am#51 – Are the maps available online? If so, where?
I’ve been doing google searches, but I guess I’m not using the correct word/search structure.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:29 am#45-Democrat Soldier, you mistake my meaning, I am an official member of the Ms.Unbelievable Fan Club. I was merely pointing out to Ms.U the silliness I saw In another post. I am sorry to have given you the wrong impression.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:30 amYou complain about global warming, but then talk about “renewable†fuels such as ethanol or bio-diesal, which make absolutely no improvement to greenhouse gas emissions
June 26th, 2006 at 10:31 amComment by Jason
You are right in some points. There are not the only GREEN fuels. You are just mentioning those who can power your car as gasoline or diesel. There are other alternatives and you must know them cause there should be some class in Stanford where you review them. Even fuel cells that releases water vapor contribute to global warming. We have to look for solutions, alternatives and stop thinking if I would be able to drive my cadillac again or not. And your post below just show that you agree that Global Warming is happening.
I have heard that if the South polar Antarctic region and all of the North polar region melted as well, then sea levels would rise about 100 feet or more > that would be the end of New York city and lots of other places too!
June 26th, 2006 at 10:32 am#38 I like your idea, Cyra. I like reading your posts. You have some good and interesting thoughts. I tried clicking on the link and I got “a page can’t be displayed” error. Are you having problems with your website?
June 26th, 2006 at 10:34 amPost 54 > I saw a map in National Geographic magazine on it a few years ago > you could check their online site perhaps > takes a little bit of research to find online, but maps do exist on this subject unless Bush had them classified?!
June 26th, 2006 at 10:36 am#52, Dem Soldier,
Not talking about pollutants. I am talking about green house gases – CO2, etc. Ethanol, methanol and all other hydrocarbon fuels will still create green house gases when burned, so none of these are a solution to global warming – they just reduce our need for foreign sources of petroleum.
#56, Juan C,
Fuel cells wouldn’t contribute to global warming if solar, nuclear or wind power were used to create the fuels required in a fuel cell (too long to describe here), then water would be the only by-product.
June 26th, 2006 at 10:39 am#59 – I found an online source! ;-)
http://www.geo.arizona.edu/dgesl/research/other/climate_change_and_sea_level/sea_level_rise/sea_level_rise.htm
June 26th, 2006 at 10:49 amPost 61 > interesting maps on ocean rise along US coastlines > 6 meter rise would put half of Florida underwater!
June 26th, 2006 at 10:59 am#58- Thank you Wayne, you are very kind. Actually, I do not have a “web site”. When I was signing up for my URL, I seem to recall that I could create one, but my purpose was to be able to post comments. Maybe someday…
June 26th, 2006 at 11:00 amToo funny, I get serious, throw down the gauntlet, and you “visionaries” can’t respond to it – so typical.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:03 am#61. Excellent link. Thanks.
Your next assignment: how many people would be displaced by that sea level rise?
June 26th, 2006 at 11:03 amThanks, Cyra. Maybe “someday” for me, too. ThinkProgress doesn’t like it when I post long thoughts. Neither do the trolls, but their opinion is irrelevant to me. You know you don’t actually need to put in a URL to post comments, don’t you? You can just put the name and e-mail address and leave the URL box blank. That’s what I do. I think it’s there just in case you want people to go to a website of your own.
Keep on posting. You have some real, heart-felt, thought-provoking things to say.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:09 am6 meter rise is about 20 feet > meter = 39.47 inches.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:12 amCorrection > meter = 39.37 inches.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:15 am#61, Excelent post! thank you!
June 26th, 2006 at 11:22 am#64 – Dude, put down the crack pipe, the crack don’t smoke itself!
Could you please explain what “gauntlet” you supposedly threw down? The only thing I got from you was your insistence that ethanol was going to destory the world.
(See, even us “progs” can engage in levity!)
June 26th, 2006 at 11:29 am#61 post pretty much kills my chances of selling my house on this site!
June 26th, 2006 at 11:30 amMaybe on Redstate……. ;)
“Climate experts have started to worry that the ice cap is disappearing in ways that computer models had not predicted.†Greenland’s glaciers are melting twice as fast as they were five years ago. Should all of the ice sheet thaw, sea levels could rise by 21 feet and swamp the world’s coastal cities.
Yet the IPCC and the national academy of sciences in 11 countries say that the sea level is only going to rise 0.1 to 0.9 meters. The only foreseeable scenario for it rising 21 feet is if the warming continues unabated for hundreds or a thousand years. That’s what the scientists say, anyways. The LA Times is free to make up their own reality, as they often do.
As the summer heat soars to over 120 degrees in Iraq, “power supply still falls about 33% short of demand.†Power in Baghdad comes on for approximately 90 minutes once every six hours.
That certainly is a nice way to spin the fact that electricity production is up from pre-war levels. The demand is up because Iraq is moving ahead and the Iraqi people finally have the freedom to acquire all sorts of stuff. Iraqis can now use cellphones and the internet, for instance. You’ll never read that at Iraq-hating Think Progress.
Former CIA officer Tyler Drumheller said he personally crossed out a reference to Iraq’s supposed mobile bioweapons labs from a classified draft of Colin Powell’s Feb. 2002 U.N. speech because he recognized the source (â€Curveballâ€) as someone who was mentally unstable and a liar. Powell still claimed to “have firsthand descriptions of biological weapons factories on wheels and rails.â€
OK. Show us some evidence Drumheller, or your claims are meaningless. Drumheller has already been caught lying about Naji Sabri on CBS 60 Minutes. I can’t see why he wouldn’t continue to do so to push his book.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:48 amFuel cells wouldn’t contribute to global warming if solar, nuclear or wind power were used to create the fuels required in a fuel cell (too long to describe here), then water would be the only by-product.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
Water in vapor form, that is. Water vapor is a greenhouse gas. Imagine all cars in the world releasing huge amounts of water vapor? WE need an integral, balanced solution. I agree with you in the dissociation of H2 from hydrocarbons, it could be really good if this process is made with RES (renewable energy sources). But it could be a hell lot better is we find another source of hydrogen. Say the seawater. It contains huge amounts of hydrogen. Now, instead of drilling the earth to get hydrocarbons to get hydrogen, we could get hydrogen from RES from the sea. Wouldnt it be nice? MY whole point here is common sense. Corporations dig in the earth to release substances that the whole great geophysical mechanism of deposition put them there so we, life, could get an optimal environment to emerge.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:49 amIraq is moving ahead and the Iraqi people finally have the freedom to acquire all sorts of stuff. Iraqis can now use cellphones and the internet, for instance. You’ll never read that at Iraq-hating Think Progress.
June 26th, 2006 at 11:55 amComment by Seixon
Thank you for the best description you could come up with for your concept of “progress”: cell phones and buying stuff.
#70, Dem Soldier,
I am saying that ethanol or other biofuels are little better than petroleum fuel in regards to greenhouse emissions, and NOT a solution to global warming, which was met with deafening silence.
#73, Juan C,
Ah, I see what you mean now, but for a given air temperature, dry air can only hold so much humidity, then the water vapor condenses. In winter, cold air won’t hold nearly any water vapor. CO2 can keep being added to the air indefinitely, making the situation worse.
Again, I will concede that it is NOT perfect, but it is many, many times better than petroleum or bio fuels …
June 26th, 2006 at 11:58 amThank you for the best description you could come up with for your concept of “progressâ€: cell phones and buying stuff.
I could add car ownership and other stuff too, but I’m guessing you don’t really care about all the positive stuff going on in Iraq. Neither does Think Progress. If Iraq turns out successful, all of you will moan and groan. You can’t deny it. You have invested too much anti-Bush sentiment in Iraq failing so you can never get out of it. That’s what happens when you are a shameless partisan, which is what Think Progress is filled with.
Real people would hope for the best for the Iraqis instead of secretly wishing for things to fail so that they can blame Bush for something.
You might wonder why Think Progress to the spin that demand for power isn’t filled, while not mentioning the power has surpassed pre-war levels. Or you will just avoid it like you just did.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:00 pm#73, Juan C,
A vehicle could carry liquid sources of hydrogen and oxygen that use a slow catalytic process to release the hydrogen and oxygen as the fuel cell needs it. Nuclear, solar or wind power would be used to add hydrogen and oxygen to the liquid sources, so that no fossil or bio fuels are burned to create them.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:03 pmYou’ll never read that at Iraq-hating Think Progress.
Why do you think we hate Iraq? It’s your crowd (libertatian freaks included) that’s endorsed the indiscriminate killing of Iraqis dressed up as their “liberation,” you guys hate Iraq, not us.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:08 pmReal people would hope for the best for the Iraqis instead of secretly wishing for things to fail so that they can blame Bush for something.Seixon
God sees your hypocrisy; do you think you can fool him with this self serving talk? He knows of the innocent Iraqis killed, and he knows who endorsed it. Spin your head off, in the final analysis, you’re headed for hell, buddy, and all your talk of freedom, while innocents are killed, seals your fate. Or perhaps you don’t believe in God?
June 26th, 2006 at 12:17 pm#72 Seixon
June 26th, 2006 at 12:26 pmEvidence is great. How you speak for the Bush administration and give us some evidence related to our intervention in Iraq? Here, let me get you started, on the hypothesis “If the U.S. uses its military power to remove Saddam Hussein from power, Iraq will be improved by having more ________ and less _______.” Then, you can give us some hard facts, with consensus, to support that hypothesis. I’ve been looking for that kind of political science for three-plus years. NO SOLDIER LEFT BEHIND.
Do we dare say mention God and innocents being killed on all fronts of society?
June 26th, 2006 at 12:26 pm# 76 Seixon & # 77 Jason M. Hendler:
That troll know-it all,unbelievable,say’s you guys are the same person.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:30 pmWhat say you?
While we are at it can we bring troops back from KOSOVO now? After all only 2000 were killed in genocide after we were told 10 of thousands…. besides we bombed and killed innocents under false pretense… Plus the UN security counsil was aginst going in. Besides Melosovic wasn’t to bad a guy was he and he didn’t have or want WMD nor sponsored terrorism.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:31 pmWasn’t there a thread here on TP from a few days ago about the government examining international banking records? Seems to have disappeared…
June 26th, 2006 at 12:33 pm# 79 Barfly:
Please don’t mention God.I know of one girl whose head will absolutely EXPLODE.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:38 pmJust watch.
That troll know-it all,unbelievable,say’s you guys are the same person.
What say you?
Comment by Sybil — June 26, 2006 @ 12:30 pm
Troll? I’m a liberal on a liberal site.
And stop lying, I said no such thing.
I said that you are demented. But that’s the truth.
June 26th, 2006 at 12:41 pm#85. Who is God?
June 26th, 2006 at 12:53 pm# 86:
You implied it yesterday;don’t lie(again).
June 26th, 2006 at 12:55 pmAnd you are the BIGGEST troll in here.A self-appointed resident attack dog.
http://www.godchecker.com/
June 26th, 2006 at 12:56 pmYou implied it yesterday;don’t lie(again).
You think the voices in your head are real.
And you are the BIGGEST troll in here.A self-appointed resident attack dog.
Comment by Sybil — June 26, 2006 @ 12:55 pm
There you go with the fabrications again. Stop listening to the voices. Go get a job. Take some medication. Get a life. Now shoo….
June 26th, 2006 at 1:00 pm# 87 phil :
At T.P. it’s ‘unbelievable’.
June 26th, 2006 at 1:00 pmThe one and only self-appointed resident attack dog.
Here is a scenario: Suppose the melting of the Greenland ice sheet/glaciers speeds up so that it melts completely within 50 years instead of 100 years, and the volumn of the ice equals a rise of 25 feet for the oceans. In 10 years there would be a 5 feet rise; in 20 years 5 feet more; in 30 years another 5 feet; in 40 years 5 feet more; in 50 years the full 25 feet. ( At 100 years scenario it would rise at half that rate!)
So in 10 years time the oceans could rise 2 to 5 feet, which is enough to cause problems on our coastlines!
June 26th, 2006 at 1:02 pm#91. God is an attack dog?
June 26th, 2006 at 1:02 pm# 79 Barfly:
It’s EXPLODING now.(I told you–she is sooo predictable.)
June 26th, 2006 at 1:06 pmEnjoy the pre 4th of July fireworks.
#89 Unbelievable,
cool site.
…..seems you have your own pit bull following you…. need a crow bar?
June 26th, 2006 at 1:13 pmSybil, we know you’re slow, but try a bit harder to follow the logic here.
Pete asked which god, so I posted a link for him to pick from. That’s humor.
The only one around here who explodes is you. And it’s not hard to get you to do so. You’re very easy. Even for a half-wit.
Now, go back to chasing cars and chewing your nether regions…
June 26th, 2006 at 1:14 pm…..seems you have your own pit bull following you…. need a crow bar?
Comment by trueblue — June 26, 2006 @ 1:13 pm
Hi trueblue – how are you?
Yeah, it’s MA-Denny’s latest carnation. It changes names to look like different people because it’s a dishonest liar, and a coward. Funny how it then expects to be taken seriously… LOL.
It’s delusional. Reality doesn’t affect it. But feel free to throw things for it. It likes to play chase. Though it’s really bad about pooping in the yard… :)
June 26th, 2006 at 1:20 pmUnbelievable you must really be getting to these trolls. When they start a “Rove” on you then you are a truthteller and republicans cannot tolerate that. You go forth and prosper!!!
June 26th, 2006 at 1:22 pm”Funny how he [Jason] arranges his posts like Seixon,and even talks like Seixon.”
June 26th, 2006 at 1:26 pmComment by unbelievable–June 25 @ 1:36 pm
^
Unbelievable,
I’m fine, thanks. Little bummed about (via post #61) seeing the water taking over my home, but then again I never liked living on Cape Cod!
June 26th, 2006 at 1:29 pmI’ll sell it to a conservative since they don’t believe in global warmimg!
ATTENTION :
Cult followers of unbelievable–Mighty Aphrodity is not Denny or Sybil.
June 26th, 2006 at 1:34 pmAnother deception from your leader,unbelievable.
You go forth and prosper!!!
Comment by Jules — June 26, 2006 @ 1:22 pm
Thanks. Count on it!.
Sybil is a chew toy. If it thinks it can deter me, it is even more metally unstable than we thought! :)
June 26th, 2006 at 1:44 pm‘’Funny how he [Jason] arranges his posts like Seixon,and even talks like Seixon.’’
Comment by unbelievable–June 25 @ 1:36 pm
Comment by Sybil — June 26, 2006 @ 1:26 pm
Operative word being LIKE… http://www.dictionary.com
June 26th, 2006 at 1:46 pmI’ll sell it to a conservative since they don’t believe in global warmimg!
Comment by trueblue — June 26, 2006 @ 1:29 pm
Shouldn’t be a problem. Someone will buy it.
When do you graduate?
June 26th, 2006 at 1:49 pmATTENTION :
Cult followers of unbelievable–Mighty Aphrodity is not Denny or Sybil.
Another deception from your leader,unbelievable.
Comment by Sybil
Since when does the words of one person mean everyone associated with that person must also take it as fact? It may be that way in your (and George Bush’s) world, but not here in reality.
June 26th, 2006 at 1:52 pmWe here on TP are equals. We let everyone speak here, even yippy trolls like you.
Wasn’t Sybil a movie about a women with multiple personalities?
June 26th, 2006 at 1:54 pm# 104:
LIKE =implying Jason and Seixon were the same.
June 26th, 2006 at 1:56 pmthis may help
http://healing.about.com/od/earthmaps/index.htm
June 26th, 2006 at 1:58 pm#108 – Bingo!
June 26th, 2006 at 2:00 pmSybil,
Why is this such a big f*cking deal with you?
June 26th, 2006 at 2:00 pmIt means nothing, or at least should not mean anything to you.
So she said a couple of trolls write alike.
Big Whoop.
We here on TP are equals. We let everyone speak here, even yippy trolls like you.
Comment by trueblue — June 26, 2006 @ 1:52 pm
You need to excuse the troll. Remember repugnuts all speak in the talking points they get from Rove, Rush and O’rielly.
On another note; How creey is it that Sybil remembers your posts from yesterday. I barely remember what I said yesterday let alone anyone else!!
June 26th, 2006 at 2:03 pmJules,
June 26th, 2006 at 2:06 pmI rely on my daughter to tell me where the car is any time I leave a store!
Sheesh! I take time to watch a 10 man Italian soccer team defeat an 11 man Australian soccer team, and the thread falls to pieces.
Sybil, yes, unbelievable, or some other poster, was trying to imply that Seixon and I are the same poster. Yesterday, unbelievable was even a little flirty with me, but today she is a cold fish – must be that vegan diet.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:07 pmI dont think Seixon and Jason are the same guy. Seixon is like 15 years old, copying and pasting notes, and Jason seems more adult and probably rational. But, what I am truly sure about is that Sybil is a poor, sad person with nothing really interesting to say.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:07 pm# 106:
Mighty Aphrodite speaks very well for herself;and besides,she ignores unbelievable.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:09 pmUnbelievable hates to be ignored,that is why she always tries to call M.A. out.
Again I say:I am not M.A..
goodie for you Sybil.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:11 pmCan we move on now?
# 115:Jason:
Thanks for the confirmation.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:14 pm#75 – Mr. Hendler, my pardon. I’ve been a bit too busy at work to concentrate on all posts today.
I don’t disagree with you that ethanol is not any better in greenhouse emissions than straight gasoline. I think that ethanol will start people on a change away from Gasoline in such a way that does not cause severe financial handicaps for both people and corporations.
To expect that the world will find and then take one big giant leap away from gasoline directly to a non-greenhouse emitting replacement would be like expecting Pres. Bush to care about average citizens: it just aint gonna happen.
Ethanol starts to process of turning away from gasoline that the oil companies have been dreading ever since the crisis in the 1970’s. We had over 30 years to find an alternative, and we just sat on our collective a$$e$ and did nothing expecting a solution to fall in our laps.
Now, we have to make some kind of effort, and ethanol is a start in the right direction. Once we get the oil companies on the bandwagon and finding viable alternatives, then we can move towards the one that works the best for us financially and environmentally.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:16 pm#120, Dem Soldier,
Forcing a broad change that only succeeds in punishing the energy companies that have served this country for decades isn’t a rationale for such a sweeping change. Switching to ethanol from fossil fuels would give an economic advantage to China, Japan, India and Europe, which use petroleum fuels, because the price of oil would fall as our consumption decreases.
Why hand our economic competitors such an advantage to only punish American energy companies?
June 26th, 2006 at 2:21 pm# 118 trueblue:
You can move anwhere you want:Who would care?
# 116 Juan C(lown)
Mind your own business,Clown.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:21 pmThey said that in 2001, before the rate of melting increased in Greenland.
No, they reaffirmed it in a joint statement towards the end of 2005. I have already shown this to you multiple times, but you are stuck on stupid.
That’s math and science though, I wouldn’t expect you to understand.
I’m just going by what the scientists are actually saying, instead of listening to Al Gore. You can choose Gore if you want, I go with the scientists.
Who is lying and spinning? You as usual.
Pre-war electricity generation rates 3958MW
June 2006 rate (source US Government) 3900MW
Big increases, right?
Stop lying, it’s ridiculous.
Dude, I already showed you were wrong on this yesterday. You are the one lying. Anyone can go HERE and see that you, yes you, are lying.
June 2006: 4500MW
YOU = LIAR
Thanks.
Juan C,
I dont think Seixon and Jason are the same guy. Seixon is like 15 years old, copying and pasting notes
Yeah, it’s called posting and quoting evidence. Try it some time.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:30 pmSybil, personal attacks are the refuge of a failing debaitor, so ignore them. I have been on many “progressive” sites, and with the right arguments, can build concensus with and among them. Juan C and Dem Soldier are big enough at times to concede points and continue to discuss issues, so they will give ground slowly / inevitably.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:35 pmSybil, yes, unbelievable, or some other poster, was trying to imply that Seixon and I are the same poster. Yesterday, unbelievable was even a little flirty with me, but today she is a cold fish – must be that vegan diet.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 2:07 pm
I said that if you weren’t the same person, you must work together. I never said that you were the same. And besides, it was a joke. You know – something you can’t make or take?
I didn’t flirt with you. Gross. Seriously gross. Ugh… Repugnicants are not my type.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:37 pmSybil, personal attacks are the refuge of a failing debaitor,
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 2:35 pm
OMG – are you truly implying that people are attacking Sybil? Wow, the way you spin you must be Rove. Oh great…now you are going to accuse me of saying you and Rove are the same person….here we go!!
June 26th, 2006 at 2:40 pm#125, unbelievable,
Try to fight it, but it only makes the desire stronger …
I’ll be here ….
waiting ….
June 26th, 2006 at 2:40 pmMighty Aphrodite speaks very well for herself;and besides,she ignores unbelievable.
The inability to answer my questions is not the same as ignoring. MA says he ignores me, but when he posts a comment to me, that’s proof that he doesn’t.
Unbelievable hates to be ignored,
Yes, yes – so ignore me. That’ll show me but good!
that is why she always tries to call M.A. out.
MA can’t answer questions. Tha’s why I call him out. As a phony and a liar – just like you. No wonder you idoplize yourself like that.
Again I say:I am not M.A..
Comment by Sybil — June 26, 2006 @ 2:09 pm
You protest too much… And only MA likes MA. You have to be him.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:41 pmZookeeper,trueblue,Jules and unbelievable:
Get husbands,PLEASE !
And stop turning this site into the homely bag society.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:43 pmSybil, personal attacks are the refuge of a failing debaitor, so ignore them.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 2:35 pm
Uh Jason, it is Sybil who makes the personal attacks. So, according to you – it is a failed debator. Considering it never posts anything but personal attacks, then clearly you are speaking of Sybil and none of us who just point out Sybil’s hypocrisy and vile.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:46 pmOh yes, just what I live for – washing and cleaning a man’s clothes and house, cooking his meals, and being his personal secretary. No thanks. Your side invented marriage to keep women subservient. I’m not interested. I have my own money, my own mind, and my own life. It’s not up for compromise just because the religious right thinks women are incomplete without a man to care for. I call Bullshit.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:50 pm# 124 Jason:
You are correct,sir.They are failed debaters and a society of angry scags.
If any guy will have these hags–please log on.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:50 pm#121 – “Forcing a broad change that only succeeds in punishing the energy companies that have served this country for decades isn’t a rationale for such a sweeping change.”
Who said “force a broad change”??? Not me, that’s for darned sure! Does providing an alternative “force” people to use it, or oil companies to provide it? Ethanol can be produced in your own backyard! (Well, assuming that you have access to the bio mass.)
What I would like is for viable alternatives to come available that don’t require forced change to anyone. If you provide an alternative that is available but not required, then market forces will take effect and the demand will drive the market.
If companies begin to provide ethanol, and the demand increases, then it means that Americans are looking for something other than a “one size fits all” approach we currently have with oil/petroleum.
How does providing alternative fuels punishing American companies? That would be like saying “When we switched from horse and buggies to cars, we were punishing all the horse and buggy companies! Please, be realistic. Any alternative will take more than a single weekend to implement. Just because ethanol (or other alternative) was offered does not mean that American oil companies would shut their doors the following day. In fact, with a change to an alternative energy source, that provides competition that would drive oil companies to either change and begin providing their own alternative or die if they so choose.
Who was it who recently said “adapt or die”? ;-) I’m sure you didn’t think this only applied to living above the predicted water level should the oceans continue to rise!
June 26th, 2006 at 2:51 pm# 131 Seixon:
”You can’t argue with a sick mind.”
And she is sick.
June 26th, 2006 at 2:53 pmIf any guy will have these hags–please log on.
Comment by Sybil — June 26, 2006 @ 2:50 pm
You’re just mad cause I’m hotter than you!!!
June 26th, 2006 at 2:58 pm#134, Dem Soldier,
Oh, if you want ethanol sold side-by-side with gas, then fine, but California has tried those initiatives for decades, and the public just doesn’t go for it. Bio-fuels are simply not competitive against gasoline and diesel.
I think that you can see now that only a federal mandate will drive the required change, which is why nothing has happened yet.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:05 pmYou’re just mad cause I’m hotter than you!!!
Comment by Jules — June 26, 2006 @ 2:58 pm
We all are… Ask IRI – even he’ll be the first to admit that liberal women are sexier than conservative women…. :)
I bet that whatever Sybil accuses others of being is actually true of it. It isn’t smart enough to base anything on reality, so it must stand in front of the mirror and type what it sees – ugly, mean, nasty, liar, etc…
June 26th, 2006 at 3:06 pm#136, Jules,
If you are going to boast, I demand proof – you too unbelievable (body of a 20 something and get carded buying wine).
June 26th, 2006 at 3:06 pm#138, unbelievable,
Just a hint to the women from a man – no matter what you are, a man will tell you that you are sexier than your opposite, in the hopes of getting laid.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:09 pmIf you are going to boast, I demand proof – you too unbelievable (body of a 20 something and get carded buying wine).
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 3:06 pm
I do not know if I look like anyone famous but dark red hair, green eyes, freckles and I run 3 – 4 miles 5 -6 days a week, so use your imagination!
Example: My 17 year old daughter worked at a movie theatre. I went to give her some money to buy dinner one night. When I left, some guys she worked with ran up and asked her who I was. She replied disgustingly”That’s my mom!”
There are many others, but I know I am already making Sybil feel bad.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:13 pmJason,
I don’t need any more men trying to seduce me. Try to control yourself.
I once sent IRI some photos to shut him up about feminists being fat and ugly. You want proof – ask him. I’m not sending them to you.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:14 pmJust a hint to the women from a man – no matter what you are, a man will tell you that you are sexier than your opposite, in the hopes of getting laid.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 3:09 pm
OMG – an honest republican…and a man…too bad you are incognito!!
June 26th, 2006 at 3:17 pm#142, unbelievable,
Oh, if you are sending your pics out to every man, then nevermind ….
#143, Jules,
Jason M. Hendler isn’t a psuedonym.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:20 pmJules,
Zoo is a redhead also. She also looks much younger than she is. Same holds true for a lot of the men around here. After all, it’s stress that ages people prematurely. And it the neocons who are all stressed about everything…
June 26th, 2006 at 3:21 pm#137 – I think you’re over-estimating the number of stations in California that offered ethanol alternative fuels. Especially in California.
“California has lagged in the national ethanol boom, but that is changing in a big way. If cars and trucks that can run largely on ethanol get a toehold in the state, advocates say, the sky’s the limit for the market of the fuel additive.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/06/12/MNGDPJCJMR1.DTL
I’ve found out what’s required for a vehicle to be converted to ethanol use, and it’s only about $100 worth of upgrades. I’ve already found a FFV Dodge Ram, and will be purchasing that to replace my Dakota. Here in Texas, I know a number of people who’ve begun purchasing their own materials so they can produce their own ethanol additive. Most of my friends with the wherewithall have begun the change.
Federally mandating a change is falling into the Republican belief that big-goivernment is the answer to the problem. And, yes, I do mean the Republicans. Despite their rhetoric, they’re the ones that have increased the federal government over 40% since they’ve been in control in Washington DC.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:22 pmOh, if you are sending your pics out to every man, then nevermind ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 3:20 pm
Slow down when you read. You’re mis-reading what I wrote. I only sent them to IRI who I had known for about six months. And I’m not sending them to anyone else – because if he can vouch for me (he’s a conservative), that’s enough.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:24 pm#146, Dem Soldier,
True, not many stations offered ethanol, because it didn’t catch on in the marketplace.
I wasn’t stating that Reps wanted to mandate anything, only the general truth that if something isn’t viable in the marketplace, it will only be accepted as a mandate.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:25 pm#147, unbelievable,
Again, just pulling your leg, because I knew that statement would make you wince. At least now you are loosening up.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:27 pmNothing is going to change how people conserve until it really affects them. I thought it might be gasoline reaching $3 a gallon, but I guess not. Just like when cirarettes went to $4 a pack, people still buy them.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:27 pm#148 – I guess people only accept a “mandate” based on their sexual orientation. ;-)
June 26th, 2006 at 3:43 pm#147:
Since when did I-R-I vouch for you?I havn’t seen it.
Jules:You forgetting that movie theaters are really dark. I’m sure when their pupils adjusted,they threw up in their mouth just a little.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:45 pmI guess people only accept a “mandate†based on their sexual orientation. ;-)
Comment by Democrat Soldier — June 26, 2006 @ 3:43 pm
Probably why female conservatives must be self-loathing and self-defeatist… :)
June 26th, 2006 at 3:46 pmApparently you haven’t seen normal or sanity in quite some time either… if ever. Doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Ask him yourself.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:49 pm# 152:
So now you’re comparing yourself to Marissa Tomei,huh.
June 26th, 2006 at 3:51 pmAre you including the BIG TEETH ?
Jules:You forgetting that movie theaters are really dark. I’m sure when their pupils adjusted,they threw up in their mouth just a little.
Comment by Sybil — June 26, 2006 @ 3:45 pm
Actually, it was in the lobby, and they would only throw up if you were behind me. Oh stop making this so easy would you?
June 26th, 2006 at 3:53 pmAre you including the BIG TEETH ?
Comment by Sybil — June 26, 2006 @ 3:51 pm
Are you sad cause you don’t have any?
June 26th, 2006 at 3:56 pm#40, trueblue, no selling your Happy Place until I get a chance to see it ;-D
June 26th, 2006 at 4:02 pm# 157Jules:
You don’t have to explain,we understand.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:12 pmDark theater-bright lobby-pupils adjusting.[LDO]
Sybil –
I didn’t compare my looks to her – by my sense of humor to a character she played.
I’m guessing you could compare yourself to Cruella De Ville (personality), the Hunchback of Notre Dame (looks) and Jabba the Hutt (weight).
June 26th, 2006 at 4:18 pmYou don’t have to explain,we understand.
Dark theater-bright lobby-pupils adjusting.[LDO]
Comment by Sybil — June 26, 2006 @ 4:12 pm
Seems it’s you who doesn’t understand. If they worked in the lobby, their eyes were already adjusted to the light in the lobby.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:23 pmIs Sybil happy today?
June 26th, 2006 at 4:29 pmoh. my. gawd.
June 26th, 2006 at 4:31 pmi’m embarrassed, and i just got here…
wrong crowd… bye…
I’m with you, katy. Drinks?
June 26th, 2006 at 4:33 pmoh. my. gawd.
i’m embarrassed, and i just got here…
wrong crowd… bye…
Comment by katy — June 26, 2006 @ 4:31 pm
There you go again with your holier-than-thou condescention. Trying to alleviate the fact that you don’t feel very valuable…. How about taking your own advice and keeping your unnessary comments to yourself?
June 26th, 2006 at 4:37 pmunnecessary
June 26th, 2006 at 4:38 pmoh. my. gawd.
i’m embarrassed, and i just got here…
wrong crowd… bye…
Comment by katy — June 26, 2006 @ 4:31 pm
Why?
June 26th, 2006 at 4:48 pmLadies, ladies, no need to fight, plenty of me to go round ….
June 26th, 2006 at 5:06 pmYou’re that extra, extra, extra large, eh? Yuck…
June 26th, 2006 at 5:29 pmKaty–could u stay gone?
Unbelievable–wack her another one.
June 26th, 2006 at 6:28 pmLadies please, I can reply to all of you, no need to be vicious ….
June 26th, 2006 at 6:55 pm#170- Ms.Unbelievable, it’s probably more like the “Brylcreem” effect, “A dab’ll do ya.” ;)
June 26th, 2006 at 7:03 pm# 68 & 69—zing and ZING!
Comment by u-phony — June 25, 2006 @ 3:47 pm
Stop it.
Comment by unbelievable — June 25, 2006 @ 3:57 pm
# 75–o.k.
Comment by u-phony — June 25, 2006 @ 6:10 pm
good syb– er– doggy!
June 26th, 2006 at 7:47 pmyou get a treat!
i never left!
I’m with you, katy. Drinks?
Comment by Zookeeper — June 26, 2006 @ 4:33 pm
sounds good – what’s your poison, zoo? … i’ve mostly given it all up – one of the best things about smoking was the drinking – gave up the cigs, so the drinking followed suit…
June 26th, 2006 at 7:56 pmbut these days, it’s tempting…
when i have a drink, it’s whiskey, scotch preferably… chevas or pinch if i’m allowed to get picky!
hey, i’m not a cheap date!
i like the initial taste of some wines and beers, but they tend to make me mostly sleepy…
ah well…
big day of yard work, between the showers… time to relax…
jules, if you have to ask…
June 26th, 2006 at 8:10 pmno offense…
Ladies please, I can reply to all of you, no need to be vicious ….
Comment by Jason M. Hendler — June 26, 2006 @ 6:55 pm
There’s a history you don’t know about. I avoid her unless she makes an unnecessary derogatory comment to me. In which case, as I told her, I would call her on it. Other people have called her on it as well, but she is insistent on being disagreeable because she can’t leave it alone. Like a kid with a scab. Has to pick and pick and pick.
She wants different consequences, I suggest different actions.
June 26th, 2006 at 8:55 pmMs.Unbelievable, it’s probably more like the “Brylcreem†effect, “A dab’ll do ya.†;)
Comment by Cyra Brown — June 26, 2006 @ 7:03 pm
You think you could stand even that much…? You’re a far stronger woman than I Cyra :)
June 26th, 2006 at 8:58 pm#175 – My poison of choice, katy, is 1/2 a margarita, on the rocks with lots of salt. That’s all it takes. In fact, since it is now about 97 degrees here, I think I will have one right now.
June 26th, 2006 at 9:01 pmCheers!
mmmmargaritas… yes, this time of year, an excellent choice!
last april, it was “mom’s day” at college and my daughter, her room mates and the moms had a margarita party at her apartment… i must say, i held up well… i practiced for a few fridays before, actually… heh…
so, i’m all ready to relax and look out the window and see another pile i’d forgotten to pick up so went out to do that and one thing led to another and then it was dark… now i can relax…
June 26th, 2006 at 10:10 pmthan un’s a funny one…
i kinda thought the “extra, extra large…yuck” comment was “vicious”, but i’m just sensitive that way… personal comments like that just seem to be troll-like, unkind…
and stating, as a fact, no less, that i “don’t feel very valuable”… this from someone who sent her pictures to THE most obnoxious, rasist, bigoted, homophobic, misogynistic troll on this board… who’s looking for validation here?
it’s a damn blog… i say what i want to whom i want… it’s that simple…
June 26th, 2006 at 10:27 pmit sure ain’t my source for validation or even acceptance…
jeesh… get real!
OH! YEEESS! UNBELIEVABLE!
You were wonderful last night all coated in white.
I loved the wet spots.
But the flour made me sneeze some.
Tonight,it’s that fun you wanted with my deep fried shrimp.
June 27th, 2006 at 1:58 amthan un’s a funny one…
i kinda thought the “extra, extra large…yuck†comment was “viciousâ€, but i’m just sensitive that way… personal comments like that just seem to be troll-like, unkind…
Comment by katy — June 26, 2006 @ 10:27 pm
Well, you also think spitting out a kid is some heroic feat. 6.4 billion people on the planet clearly shows otherwise…
You’re the one who has been compared to troll-like behavior by some of the most respected posters here. You were called a hypocrite and childish. You’re also incredibly condescending. But, people who pretend to be better than others are actually just hiding their own insecurity. You’re obvious. You can try to call that out on me to hide your own issues, but clearly you delude even yourself.
June 27th, 2006 at 2:00 pmit’s a damn blog… i say what i want to whom i want… it’s that simple…
it sure ain’t my source for validation or even acceptance…
jeesh… get real!
Comment by katy — June 26, 2006 @ 10:27 pm
Well, I’m just telling you, since you can’t seem to get it on your own. If you keep making comments to and about me, I’m going to call you on it. Count on it.
So yuo can either take your own unsolicited advice and keep them to yourself, or you can post them and be called out for the puerile hypocrite that you are. And since you choose to keep running your mouth, it does demonstrate your need for acceptance and validation – no matter how much you deny it.
Go back to cutting and pasting – it’s less demenyed.
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