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	<title>Comments on: Poll shows opposition to flag burning amendment.</title>
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		<title>By: Ho Chi Minh</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644857</link>
		<dc:creator>Ho Chi Minh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:49:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;People, don&#039;t burn flags,  BURN FASCIST REPUBLICANS INSTEAD!!!!!!!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: katy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644374</link>
		<dc:creator>katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>so, bill, what does andy (nat.review online) say about the wall street journal&#039;s printing the same story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so, bill, what does andy (nat.review online) say about the wall street journal&#8217;s printing the same story?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644374', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Pete Bogs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644335</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Bogs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Briseadh na Faire - Irish?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Briseadh na Faire &#8211; Irish?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644335', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: For Truth</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644328</link>
		<dc:creator>For Truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The trolls just like to stir things up, I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they act normal when away from blogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trolls just like to stir things up, I would give them the benefit of the doubt that they act normal when away from blogging.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644328', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bill clinton</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644317</link>
		<dc:creator>bill clinton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theyâ€™re Just More Important Than You Are
Are any secrets more important than the New York Timesâ€™s sources?

By Andrew C. McCarthy


The echo trails off the last defiantly gleeful chorus of â€œWe Are the World.â€ Reality stubbornly dawns on you: There really are bad people out there. They are the world, too. And they want to kill you. 

They refuse to be reasoned with. They can afford to. Theyâ€™re not a country. They donâ€™t have to worry about defending a territory. They are seeped into places that canâ€™t be bombed into submission. They are the world, after all. They are the children â€” or at least hidden among them. No â€œMutually Assured Destructionâ€ here. 

No, you have only one defense: Intelligence. Superpower power is useless. What are you gonna do? Hit them where they live? Bomb Hamburg? Bomb London? Bomb New York? 

Not an option. Your nukes, stealth fighters, carpet bombers â€¦ theyâ€™re largely irrelevant. This is not about killing an advancing brigade. Itâ€™s about killing cells. A handful of operatives here and there, nestled among millions of innocents. 

The real challenge is not how to kill them â€” or at least capture them. Itâ€™s how to find them. How to identify them from among the hordes they dress like, sound like, and even act like â€¦ right up until the moment they board a plane. Or wave cheerily alongside a naval destroyer. Or park their nondescript van in the catacombs of a mighty skyscraper. 

The only way to prevent terrorist attacks is to gather intelligence. It is to collect the information that reveals who the jihadists are, who is backing them with money and resources, and where they are likely to strike. There is nothing else.

How do you get such intelligence? Your options are few. The terrorists you capture, you squeeze until they break. Since your laws and protocols forbid physical coercion, you must employ psychological pressure â€” relentless detachment and loneliness that may render a battle-hard, hate-obsessed detainee hopeless enough and dependent enough on his interrogators to tell you the deepest, deadliest secrets. So you move your captives to places where they will be isolated, and forlorn, and â€¦ eventually â€” maybe after a very long time â€” moved to tell you what they know about their fellow savages. 

Otherwise, you use your technological wizardry to penetrate their communications. You use your mastery of the global web that is modern finance to find the money and follow it â€” until you can pierce the veiled charities and masked philanthropists behind the terror dollars. Until you strangle the supply lines that convert hatred into action.

All the while, you never underestimate your enemies. You know they are clever, resourceful, and adaptive. You know they study you, just as you are studying them. More effectively, in fact. After all, when you find their vulnerabilities, there is still due process. When they find yours, there is murder. Mass murder.

Life or death. Which one it will be turns solely on intelligence and secrecy. Can you find out how they next intend to kill you, can you stop them, and can you prevent them from knowing how you know â€¦ so you can stop them again? 

Simple as that. Modernity has changed many things, but it hasnâ€™t changed that. In command of the first American military forces, and facing a deadly enemy, George Washington himself observed that the â€œnecessity of procuring good intelligence is apparent and need not be further urgedâ€¦. [U]pon Secrecy, Success depends in Most Enterprises ... and for want of it, they are generally defeated.â€ 

What on earth would George Washington have made of Bill Keller, executive editor of the New York Times, and his comrades in todayâ€™s American media? 

What would he have made of transparently politicized free-speech zealots who inform for the enemy and have the nerve to call it â€œpatriotism.â€

Who say, â€œIf you try to isolate barbarians to make them hand up the other barbarians, we will expose it.â€ 

â€œIf you try to intercept enemy communications â€” as victorious militaries have done in every war ever fought â€” we will tell all the world, including the enemy, exactly what youâ€™re up to.â€

â€œIf you track the enemyâ€™s finances, we will blow you out of the water. Weâ€™ll disclose just what youâ€™re doing and just how youâ€™re doing it. Even if itâ€™s saving innocent lives.â€

And why this last? Remember five years ago, back when they figured â€œyouâ€™re not doing enoughâ€ was the best way to bash the Bush administration? Remember the Times and its ilk â€” disdainful of aggressive military responses â€” tut-tutting about how the disruption of money flows was the key to thwarting international terrorists. So why compromise that? 

Is there some illegality going on in the governmentâ€™s Terrorist Finance Tracking Program (exposed by the Times and other news outlets Friday)? No, no laws have been broken. Is there some abuse of power? No, there seem to have been extraordinary steps taken to inform relevant officials and win international cooperation. Why then? Why take action that can only aid and comfort the enemy in wartime?

Because, Keller haughtily pronounced, American methods of monitoring enemy money transfers are â€œa matter of public interest.â€

Really? The Times prattles on about what it claims is a dearth of checks and balances, but what are the checks and balances on Bill Keller? Can it be that our security hinges on whether the editor of an antiwar, for-profit journal thinks some defense measure might be interesting?

Well, hereâ€™s something truly interesting: There are people in the U.S. intelligence community who are revealing the nationâ€™s most precious secrets. 

The media aspire to be the publicâ€™s watchdog? Ever on the prowl to promote good government? Okay, here we have public officials endangering American lives. Public officials whose violation of a solemn oath to protect national defense information is both a profound offense against honor and a serious crime.

What about the public interest in that? What about the public interest in rooting out those who betray their country in wartime?

Not on your life.

National-security secrets? All fair game. If itâ€™s about how we detain, or infiltrate, or defang the monsters pledged to kill us, the New York Times reserves the right to derail us any time it finds such matters â€¦ interesting.

But the mediaâ€™s own sources? That, and that alone, is sacrosanct. Worth protecting above all else.

National-security secrets, after all, are merely the public treasure that keeps us alive. Press informants are the private preserve of the media.

And theyâ€™re just more important than you are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theyâ€™re Just More Important Than You Are<br />
Are any secrets more important than the New York Timesâ€™s sources?</p>
<p>By Andrew C. McCarthy</p>
<p>The echo trails off the last defiantly gleeful chorus of â€œWe Are the World.â€ Reality stubbornly dawns on you: There really are bad people out there. They are the world, too. And they want to kill you. </p>
<p>They refuse to be reasoned with. They can afford to. Theyâ€™re not a country. They donâ€™t have to worry about defending a territory. They are seeped into places that canâ€™t be bombed into submission. They are the world, after all. They are the children â€” or at least hidden among them. No â€œMutually Assured Destructionâ€ here. </p>
<p>No, you have only one defense: Intelligence. Superpower power is useless. What are you gonna do? Hit them where they live? Bomb Hamburg? Bomb London? Bomb New York? </p>
<p>Not an option. Your nukes, stealth fighters, carpet bombers â€¦ theyâ€™re largely irrelevant. This is not about killing an advancing brigade. Itâ€™s about killing cells. A handful of operatives here and there, nestled among millions of innocents. </p>
<p>The real challenge is not how to kill them â€” or at least capture them. Itâ€™s how to find them. How to identify them from among the hordes they dress like, sound like, and even act like â€¦ right up until the moment they board a plane. Or wave cheerily alongside a naval destroyer. Or park their nondescript van in the catacombs of a mighty skyscraper. </p>
<p>The only way to prevent terrorist attacks is to gather intelligence. It is to collect the information that reveals who the jihadists are, who is backing them with money and resources, and where they are likely to strike. There is nothing else.</p>
<p>How do you get such intelligence? Your options are few. The terrorists you capture, you squeeze until they break. Since your laws and protocols forbid physical coercion, you must employ psychological pressure â€” relentless detachment and loneliness that may render a battle-hard, hate-obsessed detainee hopeless enough and dependent enough on his interrogators to tell you the deepest, deadliest secrets. So you move your captives to places where they will be isolated, and forlorn, and â€¦ eventually â€” maybe after a very long time â€” moved to tell you what they know about their fellow savages. </p>
<p>Otherwise, you use your technological wizardry to penetrate their communications. You use your mastery of the global web that is modern finance to find the money and follow it â€” until you can pierce the veiled charities and masked philanthropists behind the terror dollars. Until you strangle the supply lines that convert hatred into action.</p>
<p>All the while, you never underestimate your enemies. You know they are clever, resourceful, and adaptive. You know they study you, just as you are studying them. More effectively, in fact. After all, when you find their vulnerabilities, there is still due process. When they find yours, there is murder. Mass murder.</p>
<p>Life or death. Which one it will be turns solely on intelligence and secrecy. Can you find out how they next intend to kill you, can you stop them, and can you prevent them from knowing how you know â€¦ so you can stop them again? </p>
<p>Simple as that. Modernity has changed many things, but it hasnâ€™t changed that. In command of the first American military forces, and facing a deadly enemy, George Washington himself observed that the â€œnecessity of procuring good intelligence is apparent and need not be further urgedâ€¦. [U]pon Secrecy, Success depends in Most Enterprises &#8230; and for want of it, they are generally defeated.â€ </p>
<p>What on earth would George Washington have made of Bill Keller, executive editor of the New York Times, and his comrades in todayâ€™s American media? </p>
<p>What would he have made of transparently politicized free-speech zealots who inform for the enemy and have the nerve to call it â€œpatriotism.â€</p>
<p>Who say, â€œIf you try to isolate barbarians to make them hand up the other barbarians, we will expose it.â€ </p>
<p>â€œIf you try to intercept enemy communications â€” as victorious militaries have done in every war ever fought â€” we will tell all the world, including the enemy, exactly what youâ€™re up to.â€</p>
<p>â€œIf you track the enemyâ€™s finances, we will blow you out of the water. Weâ€™ll disclose just what youâ€™re doing and just how youâ€™re doing it. Even if itâ€™s saving innocent lives.â€</p>
<p>And why this last? Remember five years ago, back when they figured â€œyouâ€™re not doing enoughâ€ was the best way to bash the Bush administration? Remember the Times and its ilk â€” disdainful of aggressive military responses â€” tut-tutting about how the disruption of money flows was the key to thwarting international terrorists. So why compromise that? </p>
<p>Is there some illegality going on in the governmentâ€™s Terrorist Finance Tracking Program (exposed by the Times and other news outlets Friday)? No, no laws have been broken. Is there some abuse of power? No, there seem to have been extraordinary steps taken to inform relevant officials and win international cooperation. Why then? Why take action that can only aid and comfort the enemy in wartime?</p>
<p>Because, Keller haughtily pronounced, American methods of monitoring enemy money transfers are â€œa matter of public interest.â€</p>
<p>Really? The Times prattles on about what it claims is a dearth of checks and balances, but what are the checks and balances on Bill Keller? Can it be that our security hinges on whether the editor of an antiwar, for-profit journal thinks some defense measure might be interesting?</p>
<p>Well, hereâ€™s something truly interesting: There are people in the U.S. intelligence community who are revealing the nationâ€™s most precious secrets. </p>
<p>The media aspire to be the publicâ€™s watchdog? Ever on the prowl to promote good government? Okay, here we have public officials endangering American lives. Public officials whose violation of a solemn oath to protect national defense information is both a profound offense against honor and a serious crime.</p>
<p>What about the public interest in that? What about the public interest in rooting out those who betray their country in wartime?</p>
<p>Not on your life.</p>
<p>National-security secrets? All fair game. If itâ€™s about how we detain, or infiltrate, or defang the monsters pledged to kill us, the New York Times reserves the right to derail us any time it finds such matters â€¦ interesting.</p>
<p>But the mediaâ€™s own sources? That, and that alone, is sacrosanct. Worth protecting above all else.</p>
<p>National-security secrets, after all, are merely the public treasure that keeps us alive. Press informants are the private preserve of the media.</p>
<p>And theyâ€™re just more important than you are.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644317', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zookeeper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644167</link>
		<dc:creator>Zookeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#41 - &lt;em&gt;by the way - â€œs-c-u-f-f-l-eâ€â€¦ not kâ€¦
just learned that at the levin threadâ€¦ heh 
Comment by katy &lt;/em&gt;

Wow, what a relief.  *snort*

Don&#039;t worry about giving out too much info (although you do use your real name), I just posted my email address for a certain law school student.  I hope I don&#039;t get email from Denny or Santo.  Yikes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#41 &#8211; <em>by the way &#8211; â€œs-c-u-f-f-l-eâ€â€¦ not kâ€¦<br />
just learned that at the levin threadâ€¦ heh<br />
Comment by katy </em></p>
<p>Wow, what a relief.  *snort*</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t worry about giving out too much info (although you do use your real name), I just posted my email address for a certain law school student.  I hope I don&#8217;t get email from Denny or Santo.  Yikes.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644167', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: katy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644153</link>
		<dc:creator>katy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whew!  that&#039;s good to know, zoo!
i always worry about giving too much info away... as if i cared...

by the way - &quot;s-c-u-f-f-l-e&quot;... not k...
just learned that at the levin thread... heh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whew!  that&#8217;s good to know, zoo!<br />
i always worry about giving too much info away&#8230; as if i cared&#8230;</p>
<p>by the way &#8211; &#8220;s-c-u-f-f-l-e&#8221;&#8230; not k&#8230;<br />
just learned that at the levin thread&#8230; heh<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644153', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zookeeper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644137</link>
		<dc:creator>Zookeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#38 - PLC, I can guarantee none of the trolls here are your family -- because they are all my family.  That&#039;s me, the black sheep of the family!  I had a horrible argument with my father while Katrina was still going on, and we have not talked politics since then.  I&#039;m glad you&#039;re here, you always have something rational to contribute.  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#38 &#8211; PLC, I can guarantee none of the trolls here are your family &#8212; because they are all my family.  That&#8217;s me, the black sheep of the family!  I had a horrible argument with my father while Katrina was still going on, and we have not talked politics since then.  I&#8217;m glad you&#8217;re here, you always have something rational to contribute.  ;)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644137', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zookeeper</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644128</link>
		<dc:creator>Zookeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;The mile-high view that Gandhi offers is correct. But meanwhile, many people die.
Despair seems appropriate at such times. Despair that the human race recycles itself through tyrants and murderers on such a regular basis. Think of that! Always.
Makes us seem pretty stupidâ€¦. hopelessâ€¦. useless.
Comment by Solitaire&lt;/em&gt;

That was touching, Solitaire.  These are particularly ugly times, but we humans are resilient, and we will find our way again -- and we will again lose our way.  We must never lose hope, and we must never stop speaking out.  We will again become human, and more humane, I will never doubt that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The mile-high view that Gandhi offers is correct. But meanwhile, many people die.<br />
Despair seems appropriate at such times. Despair that the human race recycles itself through tyrants and murderers on such a regular basis. Think of that! Always.<br />
Makes us seem pretty stupidâ€¦. hopelessâ€¦. useless.<br />
Comment by Solitaire</em></p>
<p>That was touching, Solitaire.  These are particularly ugly times, but we humans are resilient, and we will find our way again &#8212; and we will again lose our way.  We must never lose hope, and we must never stop speaking out.  We will again become human, and more humane, I will never doubt that.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644128', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PLC (Patriotic Liberal Christian)</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644117</link>
		<dc:creator>PLC (Patriotic Liberal Christian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#36  Zookeeper
Thanks!  In truth, though, I come to this blog to find the comfort of like-minded people since I live in a backward, right-wing county (actually state - Ohio) and it&#039;s nice to read others saying what I&#039;m thinking.  I guess my only concern about the trolls is that one or more of them may actually be some of my many relatives!  I haven&#039;t talked politics with my father since the beginning of the Iraq War because of how awful one of discussions went and how I thought (and I think my father agreed) that continuing would harm our relationship.  Not worth it - but here... well...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#36  Zookeeper<br />
Thanks!  In truth, though, I come to this blog to find the comfort of like-minded people since I live in a backward, right-wing county (actually state &#8211; Ohio) and it&#8217;s nice to read others saying what I&#8217;m thinking.  I guess my only concern about the trolls is that one or more of them may actually be some of my many relatives!  I haven&#8217;t talked politics with my father since the beginning of the Iraq War because of how awful one of discussions went and how I thought (and I think my father agreed) that continuing would harm our relationship.  Not worth it &#8211; but here&#8230; well&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644117', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Solitaire</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644112</link>
		<dc:creator>Solitaire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 18:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mile-high view  that Gandhi offers is correct.  But meanwhile, many people die.  
Despair seems appropriate at such times.  Despair that the human race recycles itself through tyrants and murderers on such a regular basis.  Think of that!  Always.  
Makes us seem pretty stupid.... hopeless.... useless.
But on a lighter note....
I&#039;m getting rid of my flag BEFORE my neighbors can turn me in for not treating it the way THEY think it should be treated!  My flag used to represent freedom. Now it represents a government mandate that carries a potential of PUNISHMENT for me if someone chooses to say I did this with it or I did that with it.  Too much risk for me and my family.  I&#039;m getting rid of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mile-high view  that Gandhi offers is correct.  But meanwhile, many people die.<br />
Despair seems appropriate at such times.  Despair that the human race recycles itself through tyrants and murderers on such a regular basis.  Think of that!  Always.<br />
Makes us seem pretty stupid&#8230;. hopeless&#8230;. useless.<br />
But on a lighter note&#8230;.<br />
I&#8217;m getting rid of my flag BEFORE my neighbors can turn me in for not treating it the way THEY think it should be treated!  My flag used to represent freedom. Now it represents a government mandate that carries a potential of PUNISHMENT for me if someone chooses to say I did this with it or I did that with it.  Too much risk for me and my family.  I&#8217;m getting rid of it.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644112', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zookeeper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zookeeper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30 - For you, PLC:

When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won.  There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall.  Think of it â€“ always.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30 &#8211; For you, PLC:</p>
<p>When I despair, I remember that all through history the ways of truth and love have always won.  There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible, but in the end they always fall.  Think of it â€“ always.  </p>
<p>-Mahatma Gandhi<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644097', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: katy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644089</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:49:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/06/27/flag-burning-joke/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Flag Burning joke - via crooksandliars&lt;/a&gt;
This is a joke right? Our government is having a debate about flag burning when nobody burns flags. 

&lt;em&gt;Dana Milbank:
&quot;The Citizens Flag Alliance, a group pushing for the Senate this week to pass a flag-burning amendment to the Constitution, just reported an alarming, &lt;strong&gt;33 percent increase&lt;/strong&gt; in the number of flag-desecration incidents this year.

&lt;strong&gt;The number has increased to four, from three. &lt;/strong&gt;The naive among us may have trouble appreciating how four flag-burning episodes would constitute a constitutional crisis. But the men and women of the Senate, ever alert to emerging threats, are on the caseâ€¦read on &quot;&lt;/em&gt;

we had a loony-toon set a flag on fire while standing on the canon on the courthouse lawn, across the street from a bar and the sheriff&#039;s dept... quite a skuffle... 
charges are pending, while state&#039;s attny is trying to figure it out... poor guy - he is running for judge this fall...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/posts/2006/06/27/flag-burning-joke/" rel="nofollow">Flag Burning joke &#8211; via crooksandliars</a><br />
This is a joke right? Our government is having a debate about flag burning when nobody burns flags. </p>
<p><em>Dana Milbank:<br />
&#8220;The Citizens Flag Alliance, a group pushing for the Senate this week to pass a flag-burning amendment to the Constitution, just reported an alarming, <strong>33 percent increase</strong> in the number of flag-desecration incidents this year.</p>
<p><strong>The number has increased to four, from three. </strong>The naive among us may have trouble appreciating how four flag-burning episodes would constitute a constitutional crisis. But the men and women of the Senate, ever alert to emerging threats, are on the caseâ€¦read on &#8220;</em></p>
<p>we had a loony-toon set a flag on fire while standing on the canon on the courthouse lawn, across the street from a bar and the sheriff&#8217;s dept&#8230; quite a skuffle&#8230;<br />
charges are pending, while state&#8217;s attny is trying to figure it out&#8230; poor guy &#8211; he is running for judge this fall&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644089', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Mroom</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever the flag amendmant comes up for discussion I am reminded of the &lt;em&gt;West Wing&lt;/em&gt; episode that dealt with it and President Barlet&#039;s question &quot;Is there a rash of flag burning going on that I haven&#039;t heard about?&quot;  

I also recall that  during a discussion of poll results about people&#039;s feelings about it, one astute pollster (astute writer) said that when the question was posed to respondants who were in favor of (rather than opposed to) the amendmant as to the level of importance of a flag burning amendmant, it  was very low in importance.   Framing the issue is important in polls. 

Thinking people know that it is purely a political issue &amp; one that wastes valuable time that should be spent on other issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever the flag amendmant comes up for discussion I am reminded of the <em>West Wing</em> episode that dealt with it and President Barlet&#8217;s question &#8220;Is there a rash of flag burning going on that I haven&#8217;t heard about?&#8221;  </p>
<p>I also recall that  during a discussion of poll results about people&#8217;s feelings about it, one astute pollster (astute writer) said that when the question was posed to respondants who were in favor of (rather than opposed to) the amendmant as to the level of importance of a flag burning amendmant, it  was very low in importance.   Framing the issue is important in polls. </p>
<p>Thinking people know that it is purely a political issue &amp; one that wastes valuable time that should be spent on other issues.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644086', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sparhawk</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read a comment in my local newspaper editorial section that was attributed to a NY state representative which I firmly belive sums up the entire debate about flag burning and it went something like this;   &quot;If the flag needs protection, then it is from some members of Congress who value the symbol itself more than the freedoms it represents&quot;

I don&#039;t think it can be said better than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read a comment in my local newspaper editorial section that was attributed to a NY state representative which I firmly belive sums up the entire debate about flag burning and it went something like this;   &#8220;If the flag needs protection, then it is from some members of Congress who value the symbol itself more than the freedoms it represents&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it can be said better than that.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644067', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Krazny</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moonbat, if you are going to spew hate and stupidity, please come up  with something new. that is the same useless shit you said last time the flag burning amendment was brought up. 

I think Bush&#039;s rise in popularity mostly had to do with the death of Zarqawi, the advances we have made in Iraq, and the mention of bringing troops home. I would imagine as time goes on that Bush&#039;s popularity will fall again. Most have seen the flag burning amendment, and the gay marriage amendment as self serving political moves to energize a sluggish base for the mid-terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moonbat, if you are going to spew hate and stupidity, please come up  with something new. that is the same useless shit you said last time the flag burning amendment was brought up. </p>
<p>I think Bush&#8217;s rise in popularity mostly had to do with the death of Zarqawi, the advances we have made in Iraq, and the mention of bringing troops home. I would imagine as time goes on that Bush&#8217;s popularity will fall again. Most have seen the flag burning amendment, and the gay marriage amendment as self serving political moves to energize a sluggish base for the mid-terms.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644052', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PLC (Patriotic Liberal Christian)</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644042</link>
		<dc:creator>PLC (Patriotic Liberal Christian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#25  Cognitorex
Gut and Run - great one.  Gut the Constitution and Run for Office.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#25  Cognitorex<br />
Gut and Run &#8211; great one.  Gut the Constitution and Run for Office.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644042', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PLC (Patriotic Liberal Christian)</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644035</link>
		<dc:creator>PLC (Patriotic Liberal Christian)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28 Moonbat patrol  I don&#039;t know if this fits the etiquette of blogs but I&#039;m repeating a post I addressed to you on another thread just a few minutes ago.  It seems it also fits here and I want to be sure you see it:

So, you are all for the violent deaths of fellow Americans that you donâ€™t agree with? I guess old Patrick Henry was misquoted - he actually said: â€œGive me the liberty to act in any damn way I please and insist that you act like me, or give you deathâ€. How in world is this attitude not equivalent to that of our terrorist enemies? I despise your politics and your arrogance. If I actually knew you, I might even hate you personally. But I would NEVER wish harm on you. May God have mercy on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28 Moonbat patrol  I don&#8217;t know if this fits the etiquette of blogs but I&#8217;m repeating a post I addressed to you on another thread just a few minutes ago.  It seems it also fits here and I want to be sure you see it:</p>
<p>So, you are all for the violent deaths of fellow Americans that you donâ€™t agree with? I guess old Patrick Henry was misquoted &#8211; he actually said: â€œGive me the liberty to act in any damn way I please and insist that you act like me, or give you deathâ€. How in world is this attitude not equivalent to that of our terrorist enemies? I despise your politics and your arrogance. If I actually knew you, I might even hate you personally. But I would NEVER wish harm on you. May God have mercy on you.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644035', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Red</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644032</link>
		<dc:creator>Red</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sue, sarcasm is totally lost on you, isn&#039;t it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sue, sarcasm is totally lost on you, isn&#8217;t it?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644032', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: moonbat patrol</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/27/54/comment-page-1/#comment-644010</link>
		<dc:creator>moonbat patrol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if you must burn the flag please wrap a liberal or (ahem) progressive up in it first!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if you must burn the flag please wrap a liberal or (ahem) progressive up in it first!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=644010', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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