If they would boycott this network in mass, it would make a statement. I don’t watch the right wing programs or the idiot talking heads anyway, so I would not be missing anything if the Dems just did not show up.

Pitying from your perch does little. Try praying.

‘Right. I’m sure every person with AIDS thought they got it because of Reagan. Talk about a “straw man.” Please don’t play dumb. Nobody blamed Reagan for the disease. They blamed him for the inexcusable delays in dealing with the disease’
Comment by BlueDAWG.
******* Your straw dog accusation is laughable. I never heard ONE spokesperson for the gay community speak about behaviour before 1987. But you did hear them shriek about Reagan. After the dust had settled and researchers studied the self-mutating virus, tons of money were provided by government and private sources intent on finding a cure and alleviating the suffering of those stricken. Your expectation of an instantaneous response neglects to consider the realities of medical research or narrowing the method of disease transmission – BUT it does point to your EXTREMELY impatient manner SO common these days….

You adroitly blur the argument between abortion, illegitimacy and poverty, which was not your previous stance. Nothing has changed from your original refutation and now. Poverty did NOT contribute to black or white illegitimacy in 1960 when poor people had far fewer resources. (That is not to say that there were not a number of “6 month babies”, but their parents GOT married.) YOU can repeat your misinformation till you are BLUE in the face and that won’t change the facts. The ONLY researchers who back up your claim are the biased group at the Alan Guttmacher Institute.

Not surprisingly, YOU are WRONG when you say I “condemn” women who have had abortions. I sincerely pity them – and that is a far cry from condemnation.

I do not at all disagree with a good number of her points although her data is not cited and yes, poverty, the parental substance abuse and lack of education are also factors linked with the advent of criminal behavior.

It sounds like she wants to legislate “correct decisions” – which is an admirable attempt to solve all that is bad and wrong. It just sounds very nanny state to me. I’, not a big fan of the nanny state whenit over-reaches, although paying attention when a category 4 hurricane is headed to a non-swing-state would be helpful for all involved.

I am stuck on MA’s verbage regarding abortion: if it is rape/incest then the word killing is not used, anything else- you are killing!! I am all for adoption as a solution to unwanted pregnancies – but if you are against abortion because it is murder thenuse the same term when describing abortions. If it is killing in X case it is killing in Y case- but you will just support that kind of Y killing.
Actually, we all do it…that is why moral relativism is is a bunch of bunk that is thrown around to make the thrower look so superior.

MA, your beliefs are admirable, not even THAT far from my own, but they certainly are not what the GOP stands for. If you feel comfortable there then that’s great. But I have to answer to God one day and after the past 3 years….it’s a vote for pure evil.

Your assertion regarding the “definite stigma attached to being a single mother” is…..where?? Not among our secular humanists and atheists, our suburban neighbours, Hollywood, sophisticated Europeans, or residents of America’s inner cities. Where is the stigma?

“Very comendable, if you actually do it. Personally I don’t think you actually do, your lack of empathy more then gives me doubts about the veracity of your claim,” – Comment by Bruce Gorton
******You are free to think as you wish. But really, your opinion of me is none of my business.

Reading all your comments, it is pretty clear why you guys are out of power.

Ignore him people. He’s just a little wap who likes to to rant and he has a forum to do it. I’ll bet if nobody responds to him again, he’ll turn his PC off and go outside and play.

In addition, #38, do you call Senators Arlen Specter or Norm Coleman, both of whom are good Jews, ‘old jew republicans’? Shame on you for highlighting your anti-semitic views while trying to discredit those of the other party.

As an idealistic young person, I became DISGUSTED the way my former party and the Left pilloried an old man, Ronald Reagan, about AIDS. NEVER criticizing the slutty behaviour, etc. that launched AIDS off the platform, protesting the proposed closure of San Franciscan “bath-houses” was the heigth of irresponsibility and buck-passing. Some gay activists actually breathed a sigh of RELIEF (how twisted is that?) when heteros and transfusion patients started to be affected. THOSE patients would take the onus off THEM.

Some gay activists, figured that with the advent of AIDS spreading to straight people, something would get done about it. It was not a matter of taking the onus off of anybody. I know gay people, and where I live they are a shit sight more careful about AIDS then most straight people I know. That is why the bulk of people in South Africa with AIDS are straight.

Defending a mother’s right to abort and NEVER mentioning the valuable, unselfish concept of adoption.

Here is the leftist morality on abortion: Abortion is a last resort. It it is not something anybody ever does lightly, however, in a society where there are limited resources, where not all children get adopted, and where there is a definite stigma attached to being a single mother (that would be you and all of your preaching about slutty behaviour) it is better to have the abortions legal and safe then to have them done in back alleys with wire coat hangers. Abortion will always exist, the question is, how can we can limit the harm it does.

I donate money and my professional services to several homes for unwed mothers.

Very comendable, if you actually do it. Personally I don’t think you actually do, your lack of empathy more then gives me doubts about the veracity of your claim, after all aren’t they all just sluts who should have chosen better men?

#190 -”I see. So now, as a “small-government conservative,” you think the government should force women to carry a pregnancy against their will. Interesting.
Comment by Bluedog49
*****A completely specious argument – but maybe you knew that… Government doesn’t allow me to kill others (other than in self-defense). It doesn’t allow me to neglect my children. I think women – who have the power sexually – should be MUCH more particular in their choices. Freedoms are not absolute, but you knew that…

#191 – “The rate of out-of-wedlock births follows the poverty rate.” – Blueboy
*****Blue – YOU are COMPLETELY WRONG. In 1960, when black poverty was significantly higher, the black illegitimacy rate was 7%. The rate for whites was slightly below 5%. With the black illegitimacy rate hovering at 70% and whilte illegitimacy rate at 37%, declining moral values should be blamed for out of wedlock births. If $$$ alone was the answer to curing poverty, there should be NO MORE peverty as we have spent more money on entitlement programs than we have on defense since 1965. It is not simply a lack of $$$ – it is a lack of character and culture.

#193 – “At what age does it become unseemly to criticize a President of the United States for his policies? If a President is too old to be criticized, is he or she qualified to be President?” -comment by dog
*****Bluedog Gorton – CONGRATS!! YOU have passed the PROG test. (ie. Never argue the argument – deflect.. and then deflect some more,….) The AIDS community BLAMED a President of the US for the disease caused by THEIR aberrant behaviour. That’s more than a little twisted – but it is a perfect example of modern progressivism. Criticize Star Wars or the Evil Empire remark – but assume responsibility for your own behaviour….if you’re capable…

Gotta run….

#187 – “Maybe you can explain how feeling you have a personal relationship with the creator of the universe is NOT self-involved. ” – Comment by Bluedog49
***** I suppose acknowledgement of One infinitly greater than one-self could be termed “self-involved” – but I believe humility is a better term.

#189 – Dear Bruce – Some people have a difficult time digesting what they have read so I will clarify my earlier points for a few minutes. From your post:
“Did you ever ask the gays why AIDS becoming a wider issue was a relief to them?”
****** Go back and read the AIDS premise and THEN come back and tell me where ANYTHING I said about the plight of the gay community is wrong. Where you and I disagree: many urban homosexuals were not willing to take recommended steps to slow the transmission of the disease. How twisted to be happy that other demographic groups become infected to lessen your own angst.

Back to Bruce – “I have seen the rightwing white guys say the same thing about AIDS in Africa, its a solution.”
******* WHO said such an awful thing?

More from Bruce – “You accuse the left of moral relativism? Tell me, who has accepted that the US constitution only applies in peace time? Not the leftwing.”
******** This statement is a pitiful stretch and completely irrelevant. (This premise might have fit more logically in countering my leftist anti-American argument…but you were grasping at straws and this statement proves it.) Examples of LEFTIST moral relativism:
Defending a mother’s right to abort and NEVER mentioning the valuable, unselfish concept of adoption.
The medicalization of deviance. (This began with attorneys proposing Dan White’s “Twinkie Defense” during his murder trial in San Francisco.)
Your ignorance about what I do to support unwed mother’s would be stunning if it did not expose your abundant stupidity. I donate money and my professional services to several homes for unwed mothers. (Perhaps your only contribution to unwed mothers was making them one in the first place.)
About abusive relationships and deadbeat Dads. I think both are despicable. But lets be honest, most people these days have sex first and talk later. Rarely does someone suddenly become an abusive boyfriend. There is often small signs which offer indications of potentially increasing abuse – sadly some women ignore the signs or try to change Mr. Wrong. THAT was his parents’ job – not hers. WOMEN must choose better MEN!! Most solid citizens who get up, go to work, pay their bills, don’t abuse drugs or alcohol don’t become deadbeat Dads. I am sure we have watched perfectly nice men and women choose the same type of “thrilling” or “sexy” boyfriends and girlfriends again and again. I didn’t need to get bit twice by a snake to know it hurt. When a new snake slithers up, send it packing
I do not argue that abortion is a method to curtail crime as a Dr. Morganthaler of Canada argues. If women had higher moral standards there would be fewer illegitimate births. Adoption is the best and most viable solution. In cases of rape or incest, I am a huge proponent of immediate dilation and curettage.

I’m not a saint – but I have seen some of the saddest situations occur because of stupid choices.

I suspect you’ve been a lefty all your life – the tip off was your equating the theoretical and hypothethical with personal morality. (It is, and was, a classic leftist arguing device.)

‘tol much later……..

Excellent point.