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]]> By: chancuff http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-4/#comment-760393 chancuff Tue, 29 Aug 2006 04:51:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-760393 The saga continues ... http://factcheck.org/article415.html Note Dr. Waller’s “cut&run” from his “Moonie” Lincoln quote and then compare it to his original article: http://www.arthuravenuebronx.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1472 You may find sufficient resources to conclude Waller invented it in the first place. Waller writes at the bottom of his Moonie publication story: “This reporter found the quotes in a June 1863 letter that President Lincoln wrote, published that year in pamphlet form as “The Truth from an Honest Man: The Letter of the President,” by King & Baird Printers in Philadelphia and distributed by the Union League. Insight thanks Herbert Romerstein for providing the original pamphlet from his collection.” I own two original King&Baird TRUTH FROM AN HONEST MAN pamphlets published in June of 1863. I loaned one of them to Brooks Jackson at factcheck.org Not that Diana Irey can be trusted for much more than what her GOP mangers tell her to say, but perhaps you'll give some credence to what her “handler” Bill Pascoe (Former Press Secretary for the RNC) wrote for her on her web site: http://www.irey.com/news/contentview.asp?c=35681 I love the part where Mr. Bill writes: “Today I became aware for the first time …” I think you may get a chuckle out of the thread I started at the Trib-Democrat, the local paper in the town where Irey just set up shop: http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4871074/m/664107374 I wrote the whole group at Irey.com on July 14th and then again on August 4th that Waller invented this Moonie Lincoln quote. The relevant post in that Tribune-Democrat thread comes near the end, just after the world’s longest blog post, a full copy of the email I sent Irey, Pascoe, and friends, on August 4th. My great, great grandfather, after whom I am named in honor of, served in Lincoln’s Union Army. He made the supreme sacrifice for our country on March 23, 1862, serving Stonewall Jackson he only defeat in the Civil war. Lincoln was, to borrow a title, “A Uniter” When some goofball Republican operative abuses the reputation of our greatest Republican president, in a Moonie publication no less, for the expressed purpose of political gain for today’s Republican Party … it troubles me. Can guess who brought this Moonie Lincoln quote to life just a few weeks after Waller invented it? (Hint: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth) Cliff Hancuff The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too The saga continues …

http://factcheck.org/article415.html

Note Dr. Waller’s “cut&run” from his “Moonie” Lincoln quote and then compare it to his original article:

http://www.arthuravenuebronx.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1472

You may find sufficient resources to conclude Waller invented it in the first place.

Waller writes at the bottom of his Moonie publication story:

“This reporter found the quotes in a June 1863 letter that President Lincoln wrote, published that year in pamphlet form as “The Truth from an Honest Man: The Letter of the President,” by King & Baird Printers in Philadelphia and distributed by the Union League. Insight thanks Herbert Romerstein for providing the original pamphlet from his collection.”

I own two original King&Baird TRUTH FROM AN HONEST MAN pamphlets published in June of 1863. I loaned one of them to Brooks Jackson at factcheck.org

Not that Diana Irey can be trusted for much more than what her GOP mangers tell her to say, but perhaps you’ll give some credence to what her “handler” Bill Pascoe (Former Press Secretary for the RNC) wrote for her on her web site:

http://www.irey.com/news/contentview.asp?c=35681

I love the part where Mr. Bill writes:

“Today I became aware for the first time …”

I think you may get a chuckle out of the thread I started at the Trib-Democrat, the local paper in the town where Irey just set up shop:

http://community.cnhi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/4871074/m/664107374

I wrote the whole group at Irey.com on July 14th and then again on August 4th that Waller invented this Moonie Lincoln quote.

The relevant post in that Tribune-Democrat thread comes near the end, just after the world’s longest blog post, a full copy of the email I sent Irey, Pascoe, and friends, on August 4th.

My great, great grandfather, after whom I am named in honor of, served in Lincoln’s Union Army. He made the supreme sacrifice for our country on March 23, 1862, serving Stonewall Jackson he only defeat in the Civil war.

Lincoln was, to borrow a title, “A Uniter”

When some goofball Republican operative abuses the reputation of our greatest Republican president, in a Moonie publication no less, for the expressed purpose of political gain for today’s Republican Party … it troubles me.

Can guess who brought this Moonie Lincoln quote to life just a few weeks after Waller invented it?

(Hint: Swift Boat Veterans for Truth)

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

]]> By: chancuff http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-4/#comment-668404 chancuff Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:16:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-668404 Despite an email warning to Mr. Pasco to contact Sharon Rosenhause, Managing Editor at the Sun-Sentinel, irey.com continues to maintain this page. "Is Murtha channeling Marty McFly? Congressman’s June 27 press release magically includes information from … June 28?" http://www.irey.com/news/Read.aspx?Id=61 In my email exchange with Mr. Pasco yesterday he attempted to float this clever headline with me in an email. I responded to him with this: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you really want to follow this "rapid crash journalism" course of action of yours, let me assist you in doing so properly. This is John Murtha's original press release issued by Cindy Abram on June 27th. http://theinfozone.net/PDFfiles/MurthaPressRelease.pdf ... You can understand why Cindy Abram updated Mr. Murtha's press release from the 27th now, I presume. After all, most would conclude that the Sun-Sentinel, who created this mess to start with, was in a better position to fix what Elizabeth Baier broke than theinfozone.net. Please note: Ms. Baier as well as her editor Ms. Rosenhause are recipients of this email. Mr Pasco(sic), perhaps they will be gracious enough to assist you towards a more lucid understanding of your "Marty McFly" insight. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Apparently Mr. Bill Pascoe puts more faith in continuing his slander strategy than makes sense. Ms Rosenhause has her own special part in this. The Sun-Sentinel has removed their retraction ... the correction that rewrote the "the shot heard around the world" first paragraph. The Sun-Sentinel has suddenly placed it in their paid archives, removing it from public domain. The only way you will find the unethical rewrite (still in public domain) is through google cache. You may wish to contact her as well. For the sake of clarity, inquiries regarding THIS turn of events should include the Subject Line: Mr. Bill Bill Pascoe bill@irey.com phone: (724) 258-2300 Sharon Rosenhause srosenhause@sun-sentinel.com phone: (954) 425-1200 Cliff Hancuff The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too Despite an email warning to Mr. Pasco to contact Sharon Rosenhause, Managing Editor at the Sun-Sentinel, irey.com continues to maintain this page.

“Is Murtha channeling Marty McFly? Congressman’s June 27 press release magically includes information from … June 28?”

http://www.irey.com/news/Read.aspx?Id=61

In my email exchange with Mr. Pasco yesterday he attempted to float this clever headline with me in an email. I responded to him with this:

—————————————————————————-
If you really want to follow this “rapid crash journalism” course of action of yours, let me assist you in doing so properly. This is John Murtha’s original press release issued by Cindy Abram on June 27th.

http://theinfozone.net/PDFfiles/MurthaPressRelease.pdf
…
You can understand why Cindy Abram updated Mr. Murtha’s press release from the 27th now, I presume. After all, most would conclude that the Sun-Sentinel, who created this mess to start with, was in a better position to fix what Elizabeth Baier broke than theinfozone.net.

Please note: Ms. Baier as well as her editor Ms. Rosenhause are recipients of this email.

Mr Pasco(sic), perhaps they will be gracious enough to assist you towards a more lucid understanding of your “Marty McFly” insight.
—————————————————————————-

Apparently Mr. Bill Pascoe puts more faith in continuing his slander strategy than makes sense.

Ms Rosenhause has her own special part in this. The Sun-Sentinel has removed their retraction … the correction that rewrote the “the shot heard around the world” first paragraph. The Sun-Sentinel has suddenly placed it in their paid archives, removing it from public domain. The only way you will find the unethical rewrite (still in public domain) is through google cache. You may wish to contact her as well.

For the sake of clarity, inquiries regarding THIS turn of events should include the Subject Line: Mr. Bill

Bill Pascoe
bill@irey.com
phone: (724) 258-2300

Sharon Rosenhause
srosenhause@sun-sentinel.com
phone: (954) 425-1200

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

]]> By: chancuff http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-4/#comment-658198 chancuff Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:40:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-658198 As of the date and time stamp of this posting the following is correct: The original first paragraph written by Elizabeth Baier at the Sun-Sentinel has been removed. Since their original correction to their story and my constant vigilance and the constantly updated reporting at theinfozone.net, they have rewritten this entire original article. http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-ctownhall25jun25,0,7119684.story What distinguishes this as unique is that though newspapers certainly update stories all the time, but when doing so, they are required by standard journalism practice to make clear it’s a revision, stating prominently at the top this story is a revision and updating the date of the article to the date of the revision. They have done neither. Any impression created by this posting that this indicates that the Sun-Sentinel is covering up what they started by making all the uproar of this week over something that “never happened” is not my intent here. (legal disclaimers have become necessary) Wait until you hear the new development today. It's a doozy. Cliff Hancuff The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too As of the date and time stamp of this posting the following is correct:
The original first paragraph written by Elizabeth Baier at the Sun-Sentinel has been removed. Since their original correction to their story and my constant vigilance and the constantly updated reporting at theinfozone.net, they have rewritten this entire original article.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/broward/sfl-ctownhall25jun25,0,7119684.story

What distinguishes this as unique is that though newspapers certainly update stories all the time, but when doing so, they are required by standard journalism practice to make clear it’s a revision, stating prominently at the top this story is a revision and updating the date of the article to the date of the revision. They have done neither.

Any impression created by this posting that this indicates that the Sun-Sentinel is covering up what they started by making all the uproar of this week over something that “never happened” is not my intent here. (legal disclaimers have become necessary)

Wait until you hear the new development today. It’s a doozy.

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

]]> By: chancuff http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-4/#comment-653489 chancuff Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:07:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-653489 Thank you for the compliment at top. I'll let you know first, since you're the first to credit me. Please read the following IN BOLD VERY CAREFULLY, if you value what we're doing in any way, shape or form. I'M JUST THE FORREST GUMP (SOME WOULD SAY ANDY GUMP) IN ALL THIS. THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME. ANY TIME SPENT ACKNOWLEDGING ME COULD BE PUT TO MUCH BETTER USE ACTING ON THE REQUEST BELOW. YOU CAN SMILE AT YOUR OWN SMARTS IN FIGURING OUT WHAT ALL THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT WELL IN ADVANCE OF MAIN STREAM MEDIA FOLKS. ALL THIS IS SOLELY ABOUT WHAT "THE WORLD OF JOURNALISM IS NOT FLAT, TOO" WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH, ASAP. EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY. HERE'S WHAT'S IMPORTANT. FOLLOW YOUR OWN "INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING", SEE OF YOU FIND MORE MISBEHAVIOURS. WE HAVE A LOT WITH REGARDS TO FIRST "THE SHOT HEARD AROUND THE WORLD", THAT GOT REPEATED EVERYWHERE. If you find another MAIN STREAM MEDIA SOURCE that turns that FIRST PARAGRAPH INTO A DIRECT QUOTE ATTRIBUTED TO MURTHA, DO EITHER A SCREEN CAPTURE OR CACHE COPY (PREFERABLY BOTH). I'LL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT, BELOW. WE NEED MORE THAN JUST "GOT YA!" SAMPLES, WE NEED EDITORS TO STUDY THESE REPORTS CAREFULLY BEFORE THEY GET SENT TO US. THIS WILL KEEP OUR FOCUS ON THE HUNT AND NOT BE WASTING TIME SHUFFLING THROUGH EMAILS THAT DO NOT PROVIDE SOUND DOCUMENTATION OF THE PARTICULAR MISBEHAVIOR BEING REPORTED. We already know that the site drudgereport originally linked to, http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2006/06/25/20060625_183801.htm at the Arizona star, has not changed their page, though I a significant editor there sent me an email saying it would be changed as soon as it was proven false. This is the kind of stuff that will be very helpful. Sending links to sites as you found them, is useless. You must do a "save as" of the page, or a FULL SCREEN CAPTURE OF THAT PAGE. You'd be surprised at how stuff on a particular page you think is insignificant, is not. Get all that you can. Here's what to do with your evidence. Create an email with your evidence and commentary of what you've found, and attached files of your the related screen captures/cache files, then email them ... to yourself. This will give you a tidy package to forward to us. We will have an email address for you to send these to in a few days. When we do, I will publish that all over the blog space. The game's afoot. ("pin the tail on the donkey") Cliff Hancuff The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too Thank you for the compliment at top. I’ll let you know first, since you’re the first to credit me. Please read the following IN BOLD VERY CAREFULLY, if you value what we’re doing in any way, shape or form.

I’M JUST THE FORREST GUMP (SOME WOULD SAY ANDY GUMP) IN ALL THIS.

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME. ANY TIME SPENT ACKNOWLEDGING ME COULD BE PUT TO MUCH BETTER USE ACTING ON THE REQUEST BELOW. YOU CAN SMILE AT YOUR OWN SMARTS IN FIGURING OUT WHAT ALL THIS HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT WELL IN ADVANCE OF MAIN STREAM MEDIA FOLKS.

ALL THIS IS SOLELY ABOUT WHAT “THE WORLD OF JOURNALISM IS NOT FLAT, TOO” WANTS TO ACCOMPLISH, ASAP.

EVERYTHING ELSE IS SECONDARY.

HERE’S WHAT’S IMPORTANT. FOLLOW YOUR OWN “INVESTIGATIVE REPORTING”, SEE OF YOU FIND MORE MISBEHAVIOURS. WE HAVE A LOT WITH REGARDS TO FIRST “THE SHOT HEARD AROUND THE WORLD”, THAT GOT REPEATED EVERYWHERE.

If you find another MAIN STREAM MEDIA SOURCE that turns that FIRST PARAGRAPH INTO A DIRECT QUOTE ATTRIBUTED TO MURTHA, DO EITHER A SCREEN CAPTURE OR CACHE COPY (PREFERABLY BOTH). I’LL TELL YOU WHAT TO DO WITH IT, BELOW.

WE NEED MORE THAN JUST “GOT YA!” SAMPLES, WE NEED EDITORS TO STUDY THESE REPORTS CAREFULLY BEFORE THEY GET SENT TO US. THIS WILL KEEP OUR FOCUS ON THE HUNT AND NOT BE WASTING TIME SHUFFLING THROUGH EMAILS THAT DO NOT PROVIDE SOUND DOCUMENTATION OF THE PARTICULAR MISBEHAVIOR BEING REPORTED.

We already know that the site drudgereport originally linked to, http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/data/2006/06/25/20060625_183801.htm
at the Arizona star, has not changed their page, though I a significant editor there sent me an email saying it would be changed as soon as it was proven false. This is the kind of stuff that will be very helpful.

Sending links to sites as you found them, is useless. You must do a “save as” of the page, or a FULL SCREEN CAPTURE OF THAT PAGE. You’d be surprised at how stuff on a particular page you think is insignificant, is not. Get all that you can.

Here’s what to do with your evidence. Create an email with your evidence and commentary of what you’ve found, and attached files of your the related screen captures/cache files, then email them … to yourself. This will give you a tidy package to forward to us. We will have an email address for you to send these to in a few days. When we do, I will publish that all over the blog space.

The game’s afoot. (”pin the tail on the donkey”)

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too

]]> By: chancuff http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-652972 chancuff Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:36:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-652972 This story has taken so many twists and turns, if you blink, you'll crash at the next turn, as some significant players already have. New developments are being being tracked at this news site: http://theinfozone.net/JohnMurtha.html A notable development: The original Sun-Sentinel's article written by Elizabeth Baier, has been removed from their site and replaced with Ms. Baier's revised story. If any of you bookmarked Sun-Sentinel's original article that has made them famous for their "the shot heard around the world", check your bookmarked page now. The significance of this is rather overwhelming. This weeks' hysteria, and subsequent retractions and corrections is over something that "never happened". Interesting to note, it retains the original publication date June 25, 2006, and The Sun-Sentinel did not note this story is a revision. We here at "The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too" tip our hats to all those who have taken up our cause that we began at 12:03AM Monday, June 26, 2006, when I sent an email complaining about Elizabeth's article to 39 staff members at the Sun-Sentinel and 70+ staff members at the Arizona Star. What will happen next week, will surprise you further. Cliff Hancuff The World of Journalism is Flat, Too This story has taken so many twists and turns, if you blink, you’ll crash at the next turn, as some significant players already have.

New developments are being being tracked at this news site:

http://theinfozone.net/JohnMurtha.html

A notable development: The original Sun-Sentinel’s article written by Elizabeth Baier, has been removed from their site and replaced with Ms. Baier’s revised story.

If any of you bookmarked Sun-Sentinel’s original article that has made them famous for their “the shot heard around the world”, check your bookmarked page now. The significance of this is rather overwhelming. This weeks’ hysteria, and subsequent retractions and corrections is over something that “never happened”.

Interesting to note, it retains the original publication date June 25, 2006, and The Sun-Sentinel did not note this story is a revision.

We here at “The World of Journalism Is Flat, Too” tip our hats to all those who have taken up our cause that we began at 12:03AM Monday, June 26, 2006, when I sent an email complaining about Elizabeth’s article to 39 staff members at the Sun-Sentinel and 70+ staff members at the Arizona Star.

What will happen next week, will surprise you further.

Cliff Hancuff
The World of Journalism is Flat, Too

]]> By: Think Progress » Murtha Misquote: O’Reilly and Hume Correct the Record, Scarborough and Carlson Stay Silent http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-649697 Think Progress » Murtha Misquote: O’Reilly and Hume Correct the Record, Scarborough and Carlson Stay Silent Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:18:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-649697 [...] The story was false. Murtha was citing an international public opinion poll, not expressing his own views. On Wednesday, the Sun-Sentinel issued a correction. We urged ThinkProgress readers to contact the television outlets that pushed the innaccurate story and correct the record for their viewers. [...] [...] The story was false. Murtha was citing an international public opinion poll, not expressing his own views. On Wednesday, the Sun-Sentinel issued a correction. We urged ThinkProgress readers to contact the television outlets that pushed the innaccurate story and correct the record for their viewers. [...]

]]> By: Progressaurus Rex http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-649301 Progressaurus Rex Fri, 30 Jun 2006 05:00:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-649301 sorry i just couldn't pass this up, from "liberals suck": <blockquote>What do you think we need to do to ensure Iraq doesn’t get taken over by Al Qaida sympathizers?</blockquote> how about <strong>not invade it in the first place?</strong> sorry i just couldn’t pass this up, from “liberals suck”:

What do you think we need to do to ensure Iraq doesn’t get taken over by Al Qaida sympathizers?

how about not invade it in the first place?

]]> By: Progressaurus Rex http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-649300 Progressaurus Rex Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:57:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-649300 mondieu patrol used to be in the french foreign legion. france still thanks you for your service, mondieu! "right" forgets to mention that those officers are not the privates on the front lines. i'm sure it's quite easy for admiral halliburton and general carlyle to remain staunchly conservative despite the war. their financial futures depend on it. when <em>they</em> leave the military, they're off to be advisors for some defense contractor somewhere. mondieu patrol used to be in the french foreign legion. france still thanks you for your service, mondieu!

“right” forgets to mention that those officers are not the privates on the front lines. i’m sure it’s quite easy for admiral halliburton and general carlyle to remain staunchly conservative despite the war. their financial futures depend on it. when they leave the military, they’re off to be advisors for some defense contractor somewhere.

]]> By: Progressaurus Rex http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-649296 Progressaurus Rex Fri, 30 Jun 2006 04:45:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-649296 i love that "liberals suck" has had his comment pushed back to be numbered 40, so now he's calling himself an idiot ("You are an idiot too 40"). actually, in context, it's become an "idiot feedback loop". kind of exemplifies the futility and utter assinine foolishness of trolls in general. i love that “liberals suck” has had his comment pushed back to be numbered 40, so now he’s calling himself an idiot (”You are an idiot too 40″). actually, in context, it’s become an “idiot feedback loop”.

kind of exemplifies the futility and utter assinine foolishness of trolls in general.

]]> By: Ho Chi Minh http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-649128 Ho Chi Minh Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:55:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-649128 Moonbat; <strong>Better Red than Dead!</strong> Moonbat; Better Red than Dead!

]]> By: Hell's Kitchen http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-649121 Hell's Kitchen Thu, 29 Jun 2006 23:42:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-649121 To Right: Your post addressed ZERO vis a vis my post. But then thats normal for brainwashed reichwing rabble. Change the subject, call names, belittle. I think it more, when you have something to say other than Reichwing talking points, people might listen to you. Bush isn't the problem, he is just the rash that shows up, representing the total bankruptcy of the conservative party. That you so aptly represent. Large gapping piehole and all. Rear area swine. To Right:
Your post addressed ZERO vis a vis my post. But then thats normal
for brainwashed reichwing rabble. Change the subject, call names,
belittle. I think it more, when you have something to say other than
Reichwing talking points, people might listen to you. Bush isn’t the
problem, he is just the rash that shows up, representing the total
bankruptcy of the conservative party. That you so aptly represent.
Large gapping piehole and all.

Rear area swine.

]]> By: eblair http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-648692 eblair Thu, 29 Jun 2006 19:47:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-648692 144--interesting point. Bush promised to be a uniter, not a divider. The decision to go to war in Iraq, the decision to still be there more than 3 years later, and the way his admin and supporters have responded to critics of the war all have had divisive effects. That is not say everyone on our side of the debate is angelic, but Bush made a statement about his ability to unite people and that has simply not happened. Buck stops with the president -- hey, Republicans are all about personal responsibility anyways so I'm sure he would acknowledge this hasn't worked out 144–interesting point. Bush promised to be a uniter, not a divider. The decision to go to war in Iraq, the decision to still be there more than 3 years later, and the way his admin and supporters have responded to critics of the war all have had divisive effects. That is not say everyone on our side of the debate is angelic, but Bush made a statement about his ability to unite people and that has simply not happened. Buck stops with the president — hey, Republicans are all about personal responsibility anyways so I’m sure he would acknowledge this hasn’t worked out

]]> By: conservatives suck http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-648133 conservatives suck Thu, 29 Jun 2006 15:02:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-648133 Bush is an idiot riding the tide of his own fame, like Dick Cheney. Neither have their own opinions or in fact give two shits about this country. Maybe if Bush had served his country on active duty instead of sitting in the rear with his thumbs up his ass, he’d have more standing with me. His military service means jack shit if he can’t think for himself and is instead the political mouthpiece of nutjob, tinfoil-hat-wearing moonbats. Bush is an idiot riding the tide of his own fame, like Dick Cheney. Neither have their own opinions or in fact give two shits about this country. Maybe if Bush had served his country on active duty instead of sitting in the rear with his thumbs up his ass, he’d have more standing with me. His military service means jack shit if he can’t think for himself and is instead the political mouthpiece of nutjob, tinfoil-hat-wearing moonbats.

]]> By: Judge http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-648126 Judge Thu, 29 Jun 2006 14:57:49 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-648126 Apparently moonbatpatrol is not old. So he/she should sign up to fight in Iraq if it is such a good idea to be there. Apparently moonbatpatrol is not old. So he/she should sign up to fight in Iraq if it is such a good idea to be there.

]]> By: moonbat patrol http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-647978 moonbat patrol Thu, 29 Jun 2006 13:00:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-647978 #138 I was lucky , I did not get drafted , I ENLISTED to serve my country you chickenshit commie. #138 I was lucky , I did not get drafted , I ENLISTED to serve my country you chickenshit commie.

]]> By: Right http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-647967 Right Thu, 29 Jun 2006 12:07:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-647967 Hell's Kitchen - you're a moron. Did you know that the majority of troops in the officer community come from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds, and most are staunchly conservative? Check the voting records of most military personnel if you doubt me. I was the Voting Assistance Officer onboard the ship so I can speack from personal experience, but I doubt you have anything to go off of. Shut your stupid pie-hole until you have something intelligent and valuable to add to a converstation. Hell’s Kitchen – you’re a moron. Did you know that the majority of troops in the officer community come from middle class or upper middle class backgrounds, and most are staunchly conservative? Check the voting records of most military personnel if you doubt me. I was the Voting Assistance Officer onboard the ship so I can speack from personal experience, but I doubt you have anything to go off of.

Shut your stupid pie-hole until you have something intelligent and valuable to add to a converstation.

]]> By: Hell's Kitchen http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-647917 Hell's Kitchen Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:46:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-647917 I certainly hope Herr Herman gets his chance to go serve in Iraq. We need good NaziChristian boys at the Front. We can be sure, he will be nice entertainment for the Verteran Combat Troops. Liberals are not hoping for defeat in Iraq. We are waiting for your Reichwingers, to join up, and show us how a real patriot fights the islamic rabble. So far, only a very few of you sanctified young republicans have blessed the Fighting Troops, will your military expertize. Its no wonder its taking so long to achive Final Victory. Never forget, the people on the left hand of Christ, are on the Right opposite him. As usual, you got it ass backwards. You will be facing Christ, not sitting with him. Even tho you exhalt yourselves to that position. I certainly hope Herr Herman gets his chance to go
serve in Iraq. We need good NaziChristian boys at
the Front. We can be sure, he will be nice entertainment
for the Verteran Combat Troops.

Liberals are not hoping for defeat in Iraq. We are waiting
for your Reichwingers, to join up, and show us how a
real patriot fights the islamic rabble. So far, only a
very few of you sanctified young republicans have
blessed the Fighting Troops, will your military
expertize. Its no wonder its taking so long to achive
Final Victory.
Never forget, the people on the left hand of Christ,
are on the Right opposite him. As usual, you got it
ass backwards.
You will be facing Christ, not sitting with him. Even
tho you exhalt yourselves to that position.

]]> By: Ho Chi Minh http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-647817 Ho Chi Minh Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:29:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-647817 MOONBAT; I don't believe that a chickenshit like you EVER spent a single day in the military.(Too busy making sure your draft deferments were in order--that is, if you're even old enough). Me; I was drafted. MOONBAT; I don’t believe that a chickenshit like you EVER spent a single day in the military.(Too busy making sure your draft deferments were in order–that is, if you’re even old enough). Me; I was drafted.

]]> By: Thomas Jefferson http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/comment-page-3/#comment-647813 Thomas Jefferson Thu, 29 Jun 2006 03:21:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/28/murtha-retraction/#comment-647813 After all the country I worked hard for to be a shining example has taken the wrong path for last so many years. It is sad to see that. Even Nixon who is suffering at the hands of hell's torturers for his crimes against humanity and violating the US Constitution is regretting that he a had lapse of judgment and hopes his pain and suffering in hell will soon end. Now, with Rush there is a palce known as hell's hell where the ones who can never be save go and pay their dues for their ill will, hatred, bigotry, dishonesty, innuendatos, stealing from the ordinary Joes and Janes, poisoning the people who are their target audience, etc. Rush, Bill O, Brit H, Tucker C, David B, David B, Howie Kutz, Tim Russert, George Steph (of ABC), Tony Snow and their ilk have special resreved spaces for them in this place. One of the residents waiting for these new residents is Lee Atwater who has already reached there. GOD is going to work miracles. Have faith in thee. If GOD was on earth today, he would have to live in Guantamo Bay, Cuba. After all the country I worked hard for to be a shining example has taken the wrong path for last so many years. It is sad to see that. Even Nixon who is suffering at the hands of hell’s torturers for his crimes against humanity and violating the US Constitution is regretting that he a had lapse of judgment and hopes his pain and suffering in hell will soon end.

Now, with Rush there is a palce known as hell’s hell where the ones who can never be save go and pay their dues for their ill will, hatred, bigotry, dishonesty, innuendatos, stealing from the ordinary Joes and Janes, poisoning the people who are their target audience, etc. Rush, Bill O, Brit H, Tucker C, David B, David B, Howie Kutz, Tim Russert, George Steph (of ABC), Tony Snow and their ilk have special resreved spaces for them in this place. One of the residents waiting for these new residents is Lee Atwater who has already reached there.

GOD is going to work miracles. Have faith in thee. If GOD was on earth today, he would have to live in Guantamo Bay, Cuba.

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