ThinkFast AM: June 29, 2006
ThinkFast AM: June 29, 2006
President Bush again smeared opponents of the Iraq war last night, accusing them of “waving the white flag of surrender.” Bush counselor Dan Bartlett was asked last week to name a single person “waving the white flag” — he couldn’t do it.
“The Pentagon is revising a document that calls homosexuality a mental disorder, officials said Wednesday. Lawmakers, medical professionals and others had pressed for the change.”
94: The percentage of Americans who strongly (77%) or somewhat (17%) agree that global warming “is becoming a major threat to our country and the world.”
A class action suit is being filed against a new Medicaid law requiring 53 million recipients to prove their citizenship. “[M]any Americans — including numerous Southern blacks denied access to hospital maternity wards during segregation days” — won’t be able to provide the necessary papers.
Romania will withdraw its troops from Iraq by the end of the year. “The announcement regarding Romania’s 890 troops follows a similar move by Italy, while Japan began withdrawing its troops from the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq last week.â€
Rep. Richard Pombo’s (R-CA) bill to open natural gas drilling off the coasts — expected to pass the House today — may make it easier to drill in the Rockies and “let oil companies run roughshod over our environment.”
A Veterans Affairs employee is being unfairly scapegoated for the loss of 26.5 million veterans’ personal data that was stolen from his home. The department originally reported that the employee was not authorized to take home the data, but new documents show that he was.
Employers across the country are scaling back health care benefits for retirees by tightening eligibility requirements or canceling coverage completely.
The Big 3 American automakers pledged yesterday to double production of “flex fuel” vehicles that can run on ethanol. Meanwhile, Japan plans to require “that all vehicles on the road” be flex fuel by 2030. Said one official, “Adopting the new technology is not that difficult.â€
“Just months after a new standard took effect to limit levels of arsenic in drinking water, Sen. Larry E. Craig (R-ID) will introduce a measure today to suspend enforcement of the rule for small water systems, including more than 100 in California.”
And finally: Former Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) led an auction of a “sheared beaver vest†at a recent Safari Club International Washington Metro Chapter dinner. DeLay reportedly “had folks rolling out of their chairs…with a double-entendre-laden montage of … beaver jokes.†“Who wants a beaver?†DeLay riffed. “The best thing about it, it’s a shaved beaver!†“Best 1,400 bucks I ever spent,†said Rob Smith, the beaver vest’s proud new owner.
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94: The percentage of Americans who strongly (77%) or somewhat (17%) agree that global warming “is becoming a major threat to our country and the world.â€
Wow, there’s usually the 20% fringe hold-outs who still believe the flat Earth is the center of the universe, Elvis is still alive, and in “Intelligent” Design. To get such a large majority recognizing the issue is a hopeful sign that it will force the politicians in denial to face the problem or risk their jobs.
Now if we could just do the same for the oil crisis, ending the occupation of Iraq, and the hundreds of other real problems we face as a nation, we might actually get something accomplished for a change that doesn’t involve burning red-white-and-blue fabric or excluding gay people from a life of wedded agony…
June 29th, 2006 at 9:08 amRomania will withdraw its troops from Iraq by the end of the year. “The announcement regarding Romania’s 890 troops follows a similar move by Italy, while Japan began withdrawing its troops from the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq last week.â€
What? No “cut and run” charges by the Bush administration and other rightwingers?
June 29th, 2006 at 9:12 amRep. Richard Pombo’s (R-CA) bill to open natural gas drilling off the coasts — expected to pass the House today — may make it easier to drill in the Rockies and “let oil companies run roughshod over our environment.â€
We cannot get these drunken fraternity boys out of office fast enough. This is absolutely appalling. Is nothing sacred?
June 29th, 2006 at 9:13 amYes. They bow before the alter of the Almighty Profit.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:15 amFormer Rep. Tom DeLay (R-TX) led an auction of a “sheared beaver vest†at a recent Safari Club International Washington Metro Chapter dinner
Laugh now Tom. You won’t be thinking it’s so funny next year when you become the shaved beaver to a gang of big hairy inmates.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:17 amEnd the War for Oil
June 29th, 2006 at 9:21 amYes. They bow before the alter of the Almighty Profit.
Comment by Briseadh na Faire — June 29, 2006 @ 9:15 am
I mean, in context, nothing environmental? They don’t give a damn about anything in our envirnoment. Nothing. They don’t understand that it’s not theirs to destroy. That these are ecosystems that took billions of years to evolve into what they are today. And not one ounce of respect for that or the life forms that inhabit it. Just like the Europeans settlers who slaughtered herds of buffalo for their skins, leaving their carcasses to rot. And people wonder why I detest the source for this destruction – the Bible.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:22 amBush counselor Dan Bartlett was asked last week to name a single person “waving the white flagâ€
How can you surrender a cause when there isn’t even a defined cause to give up. There are no definitive goals that this administration has come up with for Iraq. Not one. If there is one I would like to hear it. Setting up a withdraw of our troops so the Iraqis can rule themselves sounds like a pretty definitive plan.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:24 amfrom the Pombo story:
The measure also would require faster decisions about drilling on federal lands. If U.S. Bureau of Land Management officials missed those deadlines, the drilling plans would be deemed approved.
boy, now there’s a big window of “opportunity”!
June 29th, 2006 at 9:26 am#2 – The withdrawl of Romania doesn’t threaten the stability of the region.
Romania has the world’s hegemon either.
Nice eqivocation though.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:31 amNotice how all of the puke spokespeople are frothing at the mouth, to include Bush?
There is a reason for that. In Missouri, Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee and throughout the puke kingdom voters are deserting the republican party in droves and re-registering as democrats.
Ken Mehlman, the head of the RNC, who could suck a golf ball through a rubber hose, has numerous reports on his desk and is pulling his hair out, hoping against all hope that the traitor newspapers dont get ahold of this news.
In states such as Utah and Kansas, democrats are holding registration drives, keeping very careful records and checking back with the registrar of voters only to find that less than 50 percent of their newly signed up voters make it into the rolls. There are voting act violations all over the place.
I wonder if Rush and his ilk would like to look into and comment on this?
June 29th, 2006 at 9:42 am#9 – from there it would be an easy step to de-fund the Bureau of Land Management. That way, all applications would get automatically approved.
This is simply a matter of getting while the getting is good. Once the applications are issued it would cost the taxpayers dearly to rescind them, as that would be a government taking, and the holder of the application would be entitled to fair market value. In other words, the Big Oil company would realize its expected profits without ever drilling.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:43 am10 – chase, you’re missing the point. 890 troops aren’t going to make or break anything. The point was that everyone else is bailing out because this whole Iraq swamp is a FAILED and BONEHEADED enterprise brought about by IDIOTS that I’d bet good money you voted for. Congradulations on your chosen leaders leading us to an America that is less secure than we were the day they first took office. Take a bow big boy.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:46 amI have a feeling that the only way we’re legitimately removing the neocons from Washington will be with brute strength. They don’t care what we want. It’s like Dick Cheney said on CNN “We don’t care about polls. We do what we think is right.” The very definition of arrogance. They dont care about our votes, they will do what they think is right by eliminating the right to vote of those who want them out.
People should register as Independents. Most parties (excluding Republicans of course) will allow Independents to vote in their primaries. I was registered as an Independent in California and was able to vote in the Democrat primaries.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:51 am#10
I was being facetious.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:51 amkindness – i wouldnt say it’s “failed”, even by the longest stretch.
is a democracy where a brutal dictatorship a failure? methinks not.
i will agree that the time is coming when the iraqis should take over the majority of security operations. should that have already happened? i dont know – i dont know how well the iraqis are taking the training. but leaving at a time when they are incapable of keeping at least some peace is a horrible idea.
re my chosen leaders: much like the bumperstickers that say things like “he’s not my president”, etc etc, sorry, he is. kindness, i’ll asume you live in the US. as such, he is also YOUR president, like it or not. it’s a ignorant thing to point fingers and say things like ‘you voted for him! this (whatever “this” is at the time) is your fault!”
democracy has consequences. failure to field a winning candidate is one of the consequences for the losing party.
again, i wish you and the other liberals and progressives in the 2008 election. i sincerly hope they field a candidate that has a legitimate chance of winning the white house.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:53 amre the “white flag of surrender” – I’d like every mention of that to be countered with the Republicans’ “red flag of incompetence” – pass it on…
June 29th, 2006 at 9:58 amre my chosen leaders: much like the bumperstickers that say things like “he’s not my presidentâ€, etc etc, sorry, he is. kindness, i’ll asume you live in the US. as such, he is also YOUR president, like it or not.
I’ll assume you don’t know that the SAME words were used against Clinton during Kosovo.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:01 amChase, it may not be a matter of fielding a candidate who has a legitimate chance of winning. This, before the 2004 election:
The outcome of the next election may already be decided.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:02 amOr do you just get huffy when its a republican, Chase?
June 29th, 2006 at 10:03 amGee, the only people in Congress waving a white flag of surrender are the ones who have surrendered their oversight duties regarding the administration.
Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
June 29th, 2006 at 10:04 amBush counselor Dan Bartlett was asked last week to name a single person “waving the white flag†— he couldn’t do it.
For their next trick, Think Progress will demand to see people “cutting and running”. Tomorrow, I will teach Think Progress about figures of speech.
94: The percentage of Americans who strongly (77%) or somewhat (17%) agree that global warming “is becoming a major threat to our country and the world.â€
Hmm. An NBC poll done just a two weeks ago found 28% who said we needed to do more research, and 9% who said the concern was unwarranted. That’s a bit incongruent with the poll cited by Think Progress. I wonder which poll is more accurate…. hmmmmm.
A class action suit is being filed against a new Medicaid law requiring 53 million recipients to prove their citizenship.
What’s good for New York isn’t good for the rest of the nation? Why? Instead of dealing with smaller problems such as people who can’t prove their citizenship (this can be taken care of), they seek to undermine the whole damn thing which will stop wasting money on illegal immigrants. Of course, Think Progress doesn’t care about illegal immigration at all because illegal immigrants and their friends vote for Democrats.
Rep. Richard Pombo’s (R-CA) bill to open natural gas drilling off the coasts — expected to pass the House today — may make it easier to drill in the Rockies and “let oil companies run roughshod over our environment.â€
So to become independent of foreign oil… you seek to stop every way for Americans to utilize their own resources. Good thinking. We’ll be stopping the imports from Saudi Arabia in no time by preventing the use of American resources. Yup.
A Veterans Affairs employee is being unfairly scapegoated for the loss of 26.5 million veterans’ personal data that was stolen from his home.
Lemme guess, Bush did it. No wait! Cheney. Yeah, definitely Cheney.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:06 ambriseadh na faire – that HBO link would not open for me…
here is another – hope it works (video quality not the best):
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/peterking.wmv
June 29th, 2006 at 10:08 am“Gee, the only people in Congress waving a white flag of surrender are the ones who have surrendered their oversight duties regarding the administration.”
And Murtha, and Kerry, and the others who voted for Kerry’s withdrawl plan.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:09 amBriseadh na Faire – If you have followed Rep King in the media, you would know that he’s prone to being a little cocky. I’m fairly certain he was speaking from a position of false confidence rather than publicly suggesting the election was rigged and to “not worry.”
As a non-partisan poll worker (I’ve worked for both Dem and GOP parties during elections in my county), I have never been convinced of rampant voter fraud. I wouldn’t doubt irregularities occur, machines fail (both electronic and legacy) and things like that. But the kind of massive conspiracy required to throw even a single precinct, much less a state, is beyond comprehension.
#20 – Actually, the first time I noticed it was during the Clinton Presidency and I found it repugnant then. Disagreement is welcome, but there is a line.. (one thing that really bugs me is when people call presidents by their last names alone. Even presidents I didn’t particuarly agree with still deserve the respect of their office.. I’ll get off that little soapbox).
June 29th, 2006 at 10:10 amChase, please try to understand us. We WANT Iraq to become a stable nation. We want it to work. The point I was trying to make was that the way the current administration is handling it, well, they seem to have done everything they can to get the locals (over there) to hate not only us here but their neighbors there. They haven’t advance the course of Statehood very well. So when we critisize what they’ve done, it doesn’t mean we don’t want it to turn out well. It means we don’t like what they’ve done & have little faith in them doing the right thing in the future.
bushco doesn’t want an independent, unified and stron Iraq. They want a pliable puppet who does his masters bidding.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:10 am“A class action suit is being filed against a new Medicaid law requiring 53 million recipients to prove their citizenship. “[M]any Americans — including numerous Southern blacks denied access to hospital maternity wards during segregation days†— won’t be able to provide the necessary papers.†I know the democrats ala Senator Byrd yearn for those segregation days, but try to keep your tin-foil hat on. This ruling never EVER affected emergency services. I have an health care provider and EVERY time I (or anyone in my family) go to the Doctors office we must show an ID and our insurance card. I challenge you Mo0nb@+5 to produce a U.S. citizen that has no ID of any kind. FYI even poor black people have bank accounts and guess what you need an ID to open one. And I don’t know where your “poor†people handbook came from but I think you need to change the section on personal IDs.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:11 amBush counselor Dan Bartlett was asked last week to name a single person “waving the white flag†— he couldn’t do it.
For their next trick, Think Progress will demand to see people “cutting and runningâ€. Tomorrow, I will teach Think Progress about figures of speech.
How about reading comprehension? How you can get “Think Progress will demand to see people cutting and running”, from the above statement is a real puzzler.
Oh, and sorry for mixing you up with Chase the other day. I was in a hurry to leave for work, and so didn’t double check the source of the comment.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:14 amActually, the first time I noticed it was during the Clinton Presidency and I found it repugnant then.
Chase
Not so repugnant that you wouldn’t try to get a little partisan milage out of the issue. I see.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:17 am“Who wants a beaver?†DeLay riffed. “The best thing about it, it’s a shaved beaver!†“Best 1,400 bucks I ever spent,†said Rob Smith, the beaver vest’s proud new owner.
Couldn’t Mr Smith take the lovely Mrs Smith to the day spa for a brazilian wax? Surely it doesn’t cost $1400, and I’m certain the missus would be ever so pleased.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:19 amI know the democrats ala Senator Byrd yearn for those segregation days, but try to keep your tin-foil hat on.
Fake republican soldier
Never to early to trot out the lone democrat who had pangs of conscience, and did the right thing – to distract from all the CURRENT racists in YOUR party. How pathetic.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:22 amI challenge you Mo0nb@+5 to produce a U.S. citizen that has no ID of any kind.
They already have, and ID is not the issue. If you’d read the article, you wouldn’t have embarrassed yourself. Then again, your ideology is protected by your ignorance, so I guess it’s just a matter of whether or not you have the guts to come out of your little bubble and deal with the real world.
I’m guessing ‘no.’
June 29th, 2006 at 10:23 am.
“Just months after a new standard took effect to limit levels of arsenic in drinking water, Sen. Larry E. Craig (R-ID) will introduce a measure today to suspend enforcement of the rule for small water systems, including more than 100 in California.â€
Sen Craig, sweetie darling, wouldn’t you like to come sit on my porch and sip a nice tall glass of my “special” iced water? It’s an open invitation, my dear, come over anytime.
Jackass…
This suspension of the rule will affect 100+ in California, but it would affect MOST of the water systems in Idaho. Sen Craig is a scaberous hag fish.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:27 amPresident Bush again smeared opponents of the Iraq war last night, accusing them of “waving the white flag of surrender.â€
June 29th, 2006 at 10:33 amSo he doesnt talk his wife out of a fight. He beats the hell out of her, right? Why would he wave the flag of surrender? It is about winning.
Name a racist in the Republican party who has gone on record as supporting segregation – just one will do.
I do have to question those who oppose the US drilling its own oil. We want to reduce dependence on foreign oil. Two things need to happen for that to work. One – we need to start using our own oil deposits and drilling on our own land. Two – we need to shift away from fossil fuels. The second part will take significantly longer than people seem to think. In the meantime, using our own oil deposits while we implement viable alternatives will significantly lessen our dependence on foreign oil.
To just cut off the oil flow in this country would be ludicrous. Yes, it needs to go away – but something just as cheap and easy to produce needs to fill its spot. The next time I hear someone bitch about the price of oil, I’ll point you to the cost of a gallon of milk. Then I’ll point you to the price of gas in Europe. Yeah, 3 bucks a gallon sucks. Buy a hybrid. I did.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:33 amThe laptop with the veteran’s private info has been recovered. MSNBC is SO relieved, let me tell you. My guess is that the laptop has no further value to the thief because they got the information they needed. What a relief! For the thieves…
June 29th, 2006 at 10:34 amName a racist in the Republican party who has gone on record as supporting segregation – just one will do.
Thurmond, Strom.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:34 amflex fuel vehicles – ok, great. Now where are the flex fuel gas stations? This is absurd, without the actual gas stations. You’ve got japan building and refining the hybrid (vhs), while Detroit concentrates on ‘flex-fuel’ (beta). You can’t get the product for the beta, so which wins in the end? VHS. How horrifically poorly managed is Detroit? Why can’t they get their heads out of the sand and start building hybrids? Say good-bye to the American automobile manufacturer.
94% – um, ok. But how many of those 94% think that humans are only slightly or not responsible for global warming? Its time to forget about trying to convince people we are responsible (we are, but thats irrelevant), and convince them that we are the solution. In other words, fix the problem, quit debating the cause!
The Safari Club? WTF is that? The evil version of the Sierra Club?
June 29th, 2006 at 10:35 amAnd people wonder why I detest the source for this destruction – the Bible.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:36 amComment by unbelievable
Well, to be fair enough, that really boring book is not the source. It is what people do.
Zookeeper;
June 29th, 2006 at 10:38 amI know its not to the point, but what is a hag fish and why do you dislike it? How do most of the water systems in Idaho cope with their arsenic? thats your state isn’t it.
Thanks.
Right – thank you for having some vision as to getting off dependence on oil. A right winger starting to come around, a refreshing idea,
but as far as your segregation point, the right learned to talk in code a long time ago. Lee Atwater’s southern strategy which is so heavily implemented by the right, to talk segregation and jim crowe, and implement it without saying it directly. To say it directly would be disasterous for any politician. The racist code is embodied in phrases like: “States’ rights,” and “Welfare Queens.” The racist code is enacted by the failure to renew the Voting Rights Act. And your politician who has endorsed segregation? That would be Sen. Trent Lott who endorsed deceased Rep. Strom Thurmond’s failed presidential bid (who’s central issue was enforcement of segregation) at his 100th birthday party. Remember, Trent Lott was forced to step down. He said: “I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We’re proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn’t have had all these problems over all these years, either.”
June 29th, 2006 at 10:42 amA man who ran on a segregationist ticket would have prevented “all these problems we’ve had over all these years”? Now, what problems would those be…
you’ve never seen a hagfish? You are lucky. Google it.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:42 amI do have to question those who oppose the US drilling its own oil.
Comment by Right
Well, you should have been more strong on that point before supporting war for oil. Oh, no…for freedom, I got it.
In the meantime, using our own oil deposits while we implement viable alternatives will significantly lessen our dependence on foreign oil.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:43 amThat is rational. I like that.
I’m sorry, Wikipedia would probably be a better source for that. My mistake.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:43 amoh, and Right – I’m not accusing you of being racist, personally, but you should learn to read between the lines when your politicians speak. See the coded language. Right wing politicians use coded languages in a lot of areas, beyond racism, to make unreasonable positions sound reasonable. They are very good at marketing.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:44 amEmployers across the country are scaling back health care benefits for retirees by tightening eligibility requirements or canceling coverage completely.
They’re just old tooling; worn, stripped, gouged, cracked, bent – and no longer of any use. Too bad they can’t be melted down and recast, eh? Let’s hear your free-market solutions to this problem, conservatrolls.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:45 am#38 – Hagfish, or hags, spend much time embedded in muddy bottoms. They are chiefly scavengers, but also parasitize slow-moving fishes, eating their way into the victim’s body and leaving only the skin and skeleton. Also known as slime eels, hagfish have glands on either side of their bodies that produce enormous quantities of mucoid material, probably as a defense mechanism.
Nastiest thing on earth — other than Sen Craig.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:49 amGotta get to work…
The Big 3 American automakers pledged yesterday to double production of “flex fuel†vehicles that can run on ethanol.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:50 amYou are freaking rich. Please stop.
Retired Republican Soldier – Most poor, urban black people DO NOT have bank accounts. Take a drive through the ghetto sometime. How many banks do you see? I’ve driven through the Chicago ghetto on numerous occasions. The only banks I’ve seen are on the extreme outskirts. But there’s a currency exchange on every block.
Banks don’t like poor people. Currency exchanges love poor people. They can charge them a check cashing fee of 5 to 10%. Then charge them for cashiers checks or to wire money so they can pay their bills. Poor blacks, and poor people in general, in urban areas don’t have the benefit of banks. And you don’t need any ID to use a currency exchange.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:51 amGood morning UB, Zoo, WC, Barfly and all. So DeLay has a ’shaved beaver’ eh? That surprises me, but not the fact that he’s pimping it off. At least he’s pimping something that doesn’t belong to us for once. Really, between Coulter and DeLay I’m getting a little confused here.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:51 amWell, to be fair enough, that really boring book is not the source. It is what people do.
Comment by Juan C — June 29, 2006 @ 10:36 am
It is if they quote it for their actions – and believe me, they do. Constantly.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:52 amBarfly,
How about reading comprehension? How you can get “Think Progress will demand to see people cutting and runningâ€, from the above statement is a real puzzler.
Oh man, you really don’t get it do you. Do I have to s-p-e-l-l it out for you? Think Progress wants Bartlett to produce a single person who has “waved a white flag”. Saying that is a figure of speech, Bush didn’t actually mean that someone had waved an actual white flag. LOL.
So, next I guess Think Progress will ask Republicans to show Democrats actually cutting and running since that’s always what they say they are doing.
So it looks like I need to teach both you and Think Progress about figures of speech.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:53 amName a racist in the Republican party who has gone on record as supporting segregation – just one will do.
Name a democrat who has truly gone on record as “waving the white flag of surrender,” and Ill be glad to.
I do have to question those who oppose the US drilling its own oil. We want to reduce dependence on foreign oil. Two things need to happen for that to work. One – we need to start using our own oil deposits and drilling on our own land. Right
Then question the decider’s brother – ’cause he ain’t letting us drill the East Gulf region come hell or high water!
June 29th, 2006 at 10:55 amJeremy – I forgot about Lott, but I don’t think his comments were directed at race so much as he looked up to Thurmond. I never liked the old Senator, but then Thurmond was a Democrat years ago too. It always struck me as odd that that was the case, but what have you?
As for “coming around,” I’ve been shifting away from the Republican party, even renounced my party affiliation, but I’m still very much an old school conservative in thought – lower taxes, smaller governments, workfare vice welfare, private investments. I’m liberal in some respects too – education, private sex lives, censorship. I don’t believe in any censorship unless it’s self-imposed – ie the ESRB and game ratings.
I’m also very much against evangelical Christianity having a place in government, but I also think things like removing “under God” or “In God We Trust” is trivial and stupid. I believe in the separation of church and state, but not that we cannot express our beliefs in public. I’m very much a believer in the Bill of Rights, and believe implicitly that the freedom of religion means any person may practice any religion they wish and speak about it at any time they wish to do so. Educators included, so long as they aren’t proselytizing.
Way way off topic though.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:55 amOh man, you really don’t get it do you. Do I have to s-p-e-l-l it out for you? Comment by Seixon
June 29th, 2006 at 10:57 amThat is a nice way to start conflict in this thread. Do you see anyone attacking you in posts above? Dont play the victim, now. You are extremely unkind and pathetic.
Really, between Coulter and DeLay I’m getting a little confused here.
Comment by Quadrajet — June 29, 2006 @ 10:51 am
Howdy…
Don’t worry – you’re not alone. They are the confusing sorts who do the opposite of what they say. While, it seems Rush Limp-augh screams for the heads of those doing exactly what they themselves are doing… while doing it.
“Look ossifer, a drunk driver… go arress the criminal! And beat him a bit for breaking the law.. Now esscuse me, I’m late for an appointment. Muss speed away…”
June 29th, 2006 at 10:59 amThen question the decider’s brother – ’cause he ain’t letting us drill the East Gulf region come hell or high water!
No offense, but do you really think drilling the Gulf coast is the best idea? If global warming truly is causing the mass of hurricanes, the LAST place we should be setting up an oil infrastructure is right in the path of those storms.
June 29th, 2006 at 10:59 am“Name a racist in the Republican party who has gone on record as supporting segregation – just one will do.”
Strom Thurmond
“Name a democrat who has truly gone on record as “waving the white flag of surrender,†and Ill be glad to.”
June 29th, 2006 at 11:04 amMurtha
I’m also very much against evangelical Christianity having a place in government, but I also think things like removing “under God†or “In God We Trust†is trivial and stupid.
Comment by Right — June 29, 2006 @ 10:55 am
Trivial and stupid?
Anytime the government encourages people to pledge an oath to anything ‘under God’ it is neither trivial nor stupid to demand it be not only stopped, but removed. It psychologically sets a precident that you cannot be patriotic and an atheist, or hindu, or Muslim, or Buddhist, etc. And the rampant trolls running around TP who call us anti-American are proof of that mindset.
Not only is it not trivial or stupid, it’s devisive and needs to be removed.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:05 amSo it looks like I need to teach both you and Think Progress about figures of speech.
Comment by Seixon — June
Figures of speech like “imminent threat’? (before the invasion, Bartlett agreed Iraq was an imminent threat to America’s survival) How about when the president claimed that “this (wiretapping program) requires a court order, and we are complying with the law?” Figure of speech? How about “Mission Accomplished?” There’s a fine figure of speech. “Dead-enders?” Figuratively speaking. “Cakewalk?”
Oh, I know all about “figures of speech,” but thanks for the offer, anyway.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:06 amNo offense, but do you really think drilling the Gulf coast is the best idea? If global warming truly is causing the mass of hurricanes, the LAST place we should be setting up an oil infrastructure is right in the path of those storms.
Comment by Right — June 29
No offense, but don’t you think it’s hypoitical to suggest this alternative, when you really weren’t serious?
June 29th, 2006 at 11:09 amJust don’t say “under God” when saying the Pledge then. I don’t say it.
It doesn’t set any kind of precedent. You will note, of course, that the founding fathers were mostly Deists, and not Christian.
Being divisive and contrary is protected speech.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:11 amBarfly – what makes you think I’m not serious about drilling for US oil while we find alternatives?
June 29th, 2006 at 11:14 amTo the trolls that are spouting this ridiculous pablum about drilling oil here saving us from foreign oil dependance, it’s horse hockey! As much as 40% of the oil and natural gas drilled and refined here is sold to markets in Asia (mostly to Japan and China). If you could assure us (and please get it in writing from big oil) that none of this new drilling will result in the oil companies selling this oil or gas in foreign markets where they can make more money off of it, then I will believe that more drilling here (at the expense of some of our national treasures – they want to be able to drill in Yellowstone for Christ’s sake) will help ween us off of foreign oil. The simple reality is that we need to better regulate the oil companies and force them to reopen the American refineries that they’ve closed in order to begin reducing our dependance on foreign oil. More importantly, we need to make the research, development, and funding of alternative fuel sources a national priority. We are currently spending almost $100,000.00 a minute in Iraq with NO real benefit (I paid $2.98/gallon yesterday). If we spent a small fraction of that on R&D and implementation of alternative energy, we would be free of foreign oil within a decade. Don’t believe me? Google “Brasil energy independance” and you will see what a forward thinking country does to solve their energy problems. It’s been reported that Brasil, in gaining energy independance will save as much as $70 Billion dollars a year. Regardless, this BS about more drilling here being the solution to the need for foreign energy is complete bullshit!
June 29th, 2006 at 11:19 amMorning Quadra, I’m still waiting for our beacons of conservatism to engage on the employer insurance issue. What solutions can they present that don’t entail shoveling money to corporations to care for retirees? Will Halliburton’s next open-ended, no-bid contract be for American retiree healthcare? Or will they bite their tongues and endorse a govermental solution?
June 29th, 2006 at 11:22 amit’s a ignorant thing to point fingers and say things like ‘you voted for him! this (whatever “this†is at the time) is your fault!â€
You’re damned right I’m going to point fingers. You actually mean to say the people who voted for him have NO responsibility whatsoever? Once he’s in office they can wash our hands of him? Actually, I’m sure that many would like to do just that right about now.
The people who voted for Bush in 2 elections were responsible for putting him in office. They were ultimatley responsible for electing a man who has given the middle finger to Congress. They are responsible for electing a man who has no oversight from anyone, and Bush and his administration has fought every attempt at any investigation into his administration. He did the same with the 9/11 Commission…how dare we the people try and figure out what went wrong on that fateful day and see what mistakes were made and where, and do everything we can to prevent another attack.
Up to this point Bush has had free reign to do pretty much anything he wants, with Sleeping Beauty Dick Cheney pushing for even more presidential power. The closest that Congress has come to putting a stop to him is over the ports deal, the ONLY time during two terms that Bush has even bothered to threaten using his veto power. And need I remind you that there were reports indicating that Karl Rove threatened to blacklist any member of Congress that opposed Bush on the warrantless wiretapping deal. Our very own Justice Dept. can’t even look into the wiretapping deal because they cannot get security clearance.
And speaking of wiretapping and tracking terrorists, we have the outrage from the White House to Congress to republican mouthpieces Bill Bennett and Rep. Pete King calling for the imprisonment of reporters for revealing national secrets that Bush himself has publicly talked about on many occasions. God forbid that a reporter write about wiretapping, but it’s no problem for Bush to do the same. I can point you to sources if you wish. I can also point you to a report on CNN.com that talks about ways the Patriot Act allows us to track terrorists by wiretapping their communications and monitoring their Internet activity…this posted in 2001! In fact, I’ve posted the info many times here on ThinkProgress and no rightwinger has been interested in responding.
I can also point you to a White House fact sheet on an executive order that President Bush signed, also in 2001, available for all the world to see, that specifically talks about a program aimed at tracking terrorists’ finances. This is something I’ve also posted in recent days, and the rightwingers choose to ignore it while responding to other posts around it.
Oh, and as for Bush being “my” president…no, he isn’t. He is the president of the United States of which I am a resident. But I didn’t vote for him, and I don’t claim him.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:24 am#38 – Skeptic
To finish answering your question, dealing with arsenic in the water in Idaho — yes, my state, hence the loathing of Sen Craig — there is some sort of treatment system involved “arsenic scrubbers,” a chemical process, I believe, I really don’t understand it. I don’t drink tap water anyway, our water tastes terrible.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:32 amBarfly – what makes you think I’m not serious about drilling for US oil while we find alternatives?
Comment by Right — June
I do have to question those who oppose the US drilling its own oil. We want to reduce dependence on foreign oil. Two things need to happen for that to work. One – we need to start using our own oil deposits and drilling on our own land. Right
Let’s see. you endorse drilling everywhere but East Gulf. Why? What differentiates this section in your mind, from the rest of the Gulf? Is it because it is in red state territory, and the alternative is California, a blue state?
If global warming is truly occuring, the West Coast will also be seeing an upsurge in bad weather.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:35 amBut the kind of massive conspiracy required to throw even a single precinct, much less a state, is beyond comprehension.
Comment by Chase — June 29, 2006 @ 9:53 am
Really? Is it also beyond comprehension for the government of the United States to conspire to act against its own people to, say, start a war with another country? Because that’s exactly what we had with Operation Northwoods. And this was 44 years ago. Thankfully it was never carried out.
Tinkering with an election would child’s play compared to O.N.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:41 amOoops…sorry. Comment by Chase as quoted in my last post was @ 10:10 am.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:42 amWC – I think that the trolls don’t respond because they just can’t comprehend anything you write. Impossible for the simple minded. They only seem to understand small sound bites. They certainly don’t come here to debate in an honorable way.
June 29th, 2006 at 11:48 amJust don’t say “under God†when saying the Pledge then. I don’t say it.
Not the same when you are an impressionable young kid and all your classmates ARE saying it. By high school they stop saying out of rebellion mostly, but when you’re a first – eight grader, you tend to be a follower.
I don’t say the pledge at all, but it is noticed, and those who value it, do use that to condemn those who don’t. Go into the grey box thread from yesterday where Zookeeeper tells what happened to her and her sonm when he refused to say it in high school.
It doesn’t set any kind of precedent. You will note, of course, that the founding fathers were mostly Deists, and not Christian.
Of course it does. We are social animals – that means a lot of us care about fitting in. Leaving it in says that in America, you are not one of us, unless youbelieve in the Christian God.
Yes, I am aware of the Founding Father’s religious beliefs. Another reason, in my opinion, to remove it. They were outspoken about being against the government endorsing religion. The pledge said in public schools is a violation of church and state. It’s what Michale Newdow stood up against. And why, if he’d been a teacher or a student instead of a laywer, he probably would have won his case.
Being divisive and contrary is protected speech.
Comment by Right — June 29, 2006 @ 11:11 am
Not when the government endorses it. That’s anti-First Amendment.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:02 pmBarfly,
Sorry, Think Progress keeps flagging my comments so I can’t respond to you as I would wish. Bottom line: you are taking people’s comments out of context to imply a different meaning. As for mission accomplished, let me know whether or not Saddam’s regime is still in power, k?
Right,
The law that wrote “under God” into the Pledge of Allegiance violates the First Amendment since it respects the monotheistic or Christian establishment of religion. It wasn’t there before the 1950s and they seemed to work out just fine, can you give me a single reason why it needed to be put in there? Thanks.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:13 pmSeixon
“Sorry, Think Progress keeps flagging my comments so I can’t respond to you as I would wish.”
Thats happening to you also? Only some of my comments have made it thru today, and then they were all removed, and now it looks like a few are back in. I wonder whats going on with their spam filter. Maybe they think were Santo.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:17 pm#71
WC – I think that the trolls don’t respond because they just can’t comprehend anything you write. Impossible for the simple minded. They only seem to understand small sound bites. They certainly don’t come here to debate in an honorable way.
Comment by madashell — June 29, 2006 @ 11:48 am
That, and the little pesky thing called facts that get in the way.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:21 pmWC & madashell,
Funny, funny stuff guys. Not a single person has responded to my comment in the thread where Judd lied to cover up for Gore’s film. Not one. Apropos small sound bites, several commenters here have complained that I post excerpts from sources to prove my point. Apparently these commenters can only tolerate the small sound bites that Think Progress feeds them. They’re out of context and mislead everyone, but that’s tasty for these peopel. Yum, Think Progress sound bites, gotta love em!
June 29th, 2006 at 12:34 pmI wonder whats going on with their spam filter. Maybe they think were Santo.
Comment by squegeeboo — June 29, 2006 @ 12:17 pm
I’ve been having trouble with maybe one out of twenty posts. I get an error message and it won’t take the post.
I think something is up with their spam filters considering what’s happened with other people’s issues the last few weeks.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:37 pm“I’ve been having trouble with maybe one out of twenty posts. I get an error message and it won’t take the post.”
Yet to recieve an error message, but by my count I have 5 comments showing, I believe I did anouther 3-4, and my comment count is off by one compared to what the top counter on the page says, so at least one of my 5 I can see isnt showing up.
I hope this dosn’t mean they’ve finally learned I rarely add anything of substanance to the debate.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:42 pmJeremy, I didn’t just drive through those neighborhoods, I lived/worked in them and I can’t name a single person that didn’t have some sort of bank account. Your statement reveals your naivety, because how would some have a check to cash if they didn’t have a bank account, a job, or if it was Government Assistance you would have an ID for that. You and every other LLL who claim to know the poor because “I drove through that area of town†really show how deeply racists you are. Yes there are poor people but they are not Ethiopian or East Asian poor. I think you all watch too many movies and don’t get out much. And yes I will continue FOREVER to use Senator Byrd as an example of Democrat Hypocrisy, well at least until some Grand Wizard of the Klan gets elected as a Republican.
Barfly “Fake republican soldiery†Yes of course I am a fake because I am one of those lying racists necons veterans. Sorry I am not about to send you my DD214 for confirmation, you just have to take my word for it that I am a retired Air Force Veteran. Standard LLL playbook: Namecall when you can’t make a point. How about make a point and then call me names? It makes it so much more entertaining.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:45 pmbyrd used to do all he could to reduce the amount of poor people. To include drag them out to the woods and hang em.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:59 pmWhy? Did you not read what I said? How much did oil prices shoot up last year after the hurricanes? How much damage was there, and how much potential damage is there still?
The alternative is not California – it’s wherever in the US we can get oil – I hear Alaska has a bunch, and the Rocky Mountains have a lot too. Last I checked, California doesn’t have the Rocky Mountains.
How does it establish a religion? What exactly does the amendment say? I’ll tell you – “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” Inserting “Under God” into the pledge of allegiance is not making a law establishing a religion. Neither is having “In God We Trust” on currency. Neither is a student prayer group. In fact, they aren’t even Congress. Read the text again for those who are slow. “Congress” – meaning the lawmakers in the Senate and the House – “shall make no law” – meaning they can’t write up a bill to be signed into power – “respecting the establishment of religion” -meaning they can’t say, “Christianity is the official religion of the US” – “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof” – meaning Congress can’t then make a law that says, “you can’t exercise your right as a Christian or a Muslim or a Jew”.
Try some reading comprehension once in awhile.
Now, someone mentioned Thurmond. He’s dead, and he was a Democrat long before he was a Republican – try again to point me to a Republican who is a racist. Just like I can’t find a Democrat who waived a white flag, you can’t find a Republican who is a racist.
June 29th, 2006 at 12:59 pm#76
Sorry, I didn’t see your post regarding Judd lying in reference to Gore. And honestly, I’m not in any hurry. And that’s not meant to be disrespectful…I think you are one of the more reasonable voices that post here, not that I agree with you in all cases. And you may be right about Judd. On occasion I’ve caught main threads on here that have taken quotes by individuals out of context, and it’s been pretty obvious to anyone willing to take a few seconds and use reasoning to figure it out. And I’ve posted notes to this effect. And those notes have gone ignored, too.
As for Al Gore and global warming, I’ve seen so many posts that frankly it’s getting old, from both sides, so I don’t read them much anymore. Personally, I’m on Al’s side and believe that global warming is real and mankind is playing a major role in affecting his environment.
Setting aside the scientific studies and the comparison of global temperatures from 2004 and 1604, I tend to look at other factors. Take automobiles. One question I have to those who say mankind is not affecting his environment is this: what is happening to the heat generated by cars and trucks…the heat generated by the engine, which is well over 100 degrees and radiated from the engine block itself, the cooling system, and the exhaust system? How about the heat pumped into the air by fossil-fueled generating plants? How about the hot air in our cars that sit in the sun for hours and from our homes in the middle of summer…what’s the first thing we do? Crank up the A/C and pump that air outside. Where does that hot air go?
I can also point out so-called heat islands in the atmosphere that exist above such large cities as Atlanta. These are caused by — who else — mankind who cuts down trees and eliminates forests and paves everything in site. These heat islands are responsible for producing thunderstorms that otherwise would not exist, and as seen on TV years ago can affect the weather miles away from Atlanta.
I can point out the contrails of jets that linger in the atmosphere and eventually develop into clouds. Yep…man-made clouds. And what do we have in common with clouds? Hmmmm…rain, thunderstorms, tornadoes. And not just effects during the summer…cloud cover in the winter holds in heat so our nights aren’t as cold when the sun goes down.
Oh, and finally, I did once check out the web site of a person who was trashing Gore and mankind’s effect on global warming. I read the first few paragraphs and had a good laugh. In his evidence against artificial global warming he said that the pollutants we are pumping into the air is not trapping the heat in the atmosphere, they are just delaying the heat’s return to space. Nope…no unnatural warming of the air going on there.
June 29th, 2006 at 1:14 pmDavid Duke was/is a republican. Sorry right I had to say it.
I agree with the idea that a voter should show ID at polls. It is not racist or classist. I have had a state issued ID since I was 14. Most people who register to vote, have ID’s too. We need our election process to be as free of any whiff of corruption and vote tampering as possible.
June 29th, 2006 at 1:15 pmJust a comment, Unbelievable, not only the european settlers contributed to the massacre of buffalos. A lot of them were killed to feed the US Army. And I remember from my boy days, when I read the Buffalo Bill biography, that he participated in at least a contest to see which famed hunter killed more buffalos.
Sorry, but I become a bit icky with all those stereotypes against the Spaniards and Europeans of the time. They were not saints, but they were in accordance with their times, and not all evils came from Europe. And, most of them became the grandfathers of the USA people, not mine. Mine stayed in Europe ;)
Anyhow, yes, the killing of buffaloes was really a crime against nature, and yes, I remember too seeing mountains of buffaloes skulls in some movies. Really shameful.
June 29th, 2006 at 1:16 pmRight,
Reading comprehension? Try it yourself.
How does it establish a religion?
It doesn’t. Strawman.
What exactly does the amendment say? I’ll tell you – “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof†Inserting “Under God†into the pledge of allegiance is not making a law establishing a religion.
Where does it say “establish a religion”? It says “respecting an establishment of religion”. Do you know what an “establishment of religion” is? You know, Christianity? Jeudaism? That’s a religious establishment. Now if it said “constituting an establishment of religion” then I would agree with you, but that’s not what it says.
Neither is having “In God We Trust†on currency.
No, having it on there in itself is not, but Congress it not allowed to pass laws respecting an establishment of religion.
Neither is a student prayer group.
As long as Congress didn’t pass a law respecting an establishment of religion, students can do whatever the hell they want.
In fact, they aren’t even Congress.
No shit.
“Congress†– meaning the lawmakers in the Senate and the House – “shall make no law†– meaning they can’t write up a bill to be signed into power – “respecting the establishment of religion†-meaning they can’t say, “Christianity is the official religion of the US†– “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof†– meaning Congress can’t then make a law that says, “you can’t exercise your right as a Christian or a Muslim or a Jewâ€.
That’s why a student prayer group is OK, while a law passed by Congress in 1954 (?) placing “under God” into the Pledge of Allegiance, thereby respecting the establishments of religion called Christianity, Jeudaism, even Islam, not to mention monotheism in general, is not OK.
In one case, a law was passed by Congress. In the other, it was not. Figure it out.
June 29th, 2006 at 1:17 pmbyrd used to do all he could to reduce the amount of poor people. To include drag them out to the woods and hang em.
Comment by Hillary C. — June 29, 2006 @ 12:59 pm
So you and RRS want to talk hypocrisy, eh? Fine.
That famed senator from SC, Strom Thurmond, used to do all he could to deny blacks the rights the so deserved. But the 22 year old future politician sure didn’t have a problem getting a little sexual pleasure from a 16 year old maid that resulted in her pregnancy and the birth of his illegitimate daughter, now did it?
June 29th, 2006 at 1:28 pmWC,
We are definitely affecting the environment around us, I mean, I look out the window and I see virtually pavement everywhere on the ground. Of course we’ve changed our environment. We’ve mostly done so to fit the 6 billion people that now live on Earth, as opposed to 1 billion just a century ago.
You talk about all the heat we generate, that’s true, we do generate a lot of heat. The question is whether or not the global atmosphere virtually just absorbs all of that or not. I think humans, and some scientists, have and are giving humans too much credit in our ability to affect a massive system such as the atmosphere. Sure, we can cause acid rain and such, but those things are very localized. When we’re talking about the atmosphere, we’re talking about something very complex and massive.
When I keep looking at the temperature records from around the world, I see that most places are no warmer today than have been at some point within the last 100 years. In fact, I took a look at records for the Antarctic and the Arctic and found that temperatures are in fact not any warmer today than they were some 60 years ago.
Check it out for yourself.
June 29th, 2006 at 1:28 pmI hope this dosn’t mean they’ve finally learned I rarely add anything of substanance to the debate.
Comment by squegeeboo
Then we’re both in trouble, Squeegy! A couple of mine disappeared yesterday. They were truly inspired, of course, and the world as we know it is worse off because it has missed out on those comments. ;)
June 29th, 2006 at 2:02 pmSeixon,
The world isn’t a tiny tub, where all the water has almost the same temperature. The world is huge, and not having yet a signifiant change of temperature in a given point doesn’t mean that GW doesn’t exists and that the tendency in this point is the same for all the world. And, using the same analogy that you use, in Europe, all Europe, 2003 was a record hot year. And the predictions for this year are of another record hot year, even taking in account the 2003. And I trust the predictions because now, in June, we are hitting already the 86F degrees early in the morning. And believe me, my city has a good climate, but 86F is a temperature from August, not June. And we hadn’t cold winters since some years ago. My country is in an state of Drought Alert.
About your comments, well, first you say that is too costly to convert to clean energy, and in the next step you say that Global Warming doesn’t exist. Sorry, but to be credible, you must stick to one point. Giving two, you look only as a car vendor trying to score a selling.
And lastly, glad to see that you’re learning to be (somewhat) conciser.
June 29th, 2006 at 2:16 pmZoo
“Then we’re both in trouble, Squeegy! A couple of mine disappeared yesterday. They were truly inspired, of course, and the world as we know it is worse off because it has missed out on those comments. ;)”
I feel like a little part of me has died, after realizing that some of your wisdom has been cruelly ripped from the womb here at TP.
June 29th, 2006 at 2:21 pmI feel like a little part of me has died, after realizing that some of your wisdom has been cruelly ripped from the womb here at TP.
Comment by squegeeboo
You should. I mourn the additional loss this morning of your infinite wisdom, in the form of comments on TP. I have shed a tear…
June 29th, 2006 at 2:36 pmEvil Spaniard,
I know the world isn’t a tiny tub, my comments seemed to contradict this very premise. I have checked the temperature series for MANY places around the world, not just one here and there. Most of them showed no unprecedented temperatures currently. What city do you live in? Let’s check the temperature data to see if what you’re saying has any historical relevance.
About your comments, well, first you say that is too costly to convert to clean energy, and in the next step you say that Global Warming doesn’t exist.
I haven’t said a word about the cost of converting to clean energy, so either you are confusing me with someone else or you are inserting words into my mouth.
What do you mean by “global warming”? No one can refute that the world, as a whole, has a higher mean temperature than it has had for a while. So obviously, if that’s what you mean, then that’s fine. However, as I have increasingly found out, this warming hasn’t actually been all that “global”.
June 29th, 2006 at 2:39 pmYou missed JABBS’ exclusive on the fact that Mitch McConnell admitted that Republicans knew about Gen. Casey’s plan before they voted on the similar Levin-Reed redeployment proposal — and it didn’t stop them from using the “cut and run” term over and over.
It’d be nice if thinkprogress, in its blog round-up, considered itesm from JABBS. Lots of timely, original stuff there. Buzzflash links to it all the time, and Daily Kos and Crooks & Liars have linked to it a bunch. But Thinkprogress hasn’t thus far. Help?
June 29th, 2006 at 2:47 pm#92 Seixon, I live in Barcelona. Feel free to make an study of the temperatures evolution in my city, but a hint; I live here, and I did a long travel around my country in 2003, and believe me, all the people we meet, said the same. Olds, youngs, rednecks, and literates. I know what happened first hand. And I know that a lot of people died due to record high temperatures.
June 29th, 2006 at 2:49 pmSpaniard,
OK. The data on Barcelona is a bit spotty. They only have data from 1951 through 1999. In that data, the last yearly mean they have is for 1997 at 16.71. For 1961, it was 16.09. In 1990, 16.69. These are well within natural swings. With only data between 1951 and 1999 it’s hard to tell.
June 29th, 2006 at 3:12 pm[...] from Think Progress [...]
June 29th, 2006 at 3:51 pmYou mean dead people can feel pride? Huh… Well, I guess since you are “Opposite Man” I should just believe the contrary position. So that means dead people feel nothing. Hey, that works with everything you say… Wah….
I didn’t publish personal information about you sEXXON. I merely copied and pasted what someone else cut and pasted. A link to an article that was written by seixon.com You gonna milk that for teh rest of yoru natural born life like all crybaby conservatives do when they can’t argue on merit? Wah…
Better than being a pathalogical liar and a sissy like you are. Wah…
June 29th, 2006 at 5:16 pmWe? Oh, you must mean you and all the voices in your head. Everyone else around here thinks you’re a freakshow.
June 29th, 2006 at 5:49 pmsExxon, you didn’t make a lick of sense boy. All that anger is making you extra incoherent today.
Get your words straight. I didn’t publish anything. I posted. And it wasn’t that personal as it was already posted online.
Jesus, you are gonna milk this for the rest of your life. So, sue me if it’s really grievous. I’ve already forgotten your last name you are that inconsequnetial Georgie Porgie… wah…
June 29th, 2006 at 6:49 pmUm, Seixon, you ommited conveniently part of the article about red giants:
They are stars of 0.4 – 10 times the mass of the Sun which have exhausted their supply of hydrogen in their cores and switched to fusing hydrogen in a shell outside the core. Since the inert helium core has no source of energy of its own, it contracts and heats up, and its gravity compresses the hydrogen in the layer immediately above it, thus causing it to fuse faster. This in turn causes the star to become more luminous (from 1,000 – 10,000 times brighter) and expand; the degree of expansion outstrips the increase in luminosity, thus causing the effective temperature to decrease.
And about Barcelona, a) you admit that the data you have is spotty, thus scientifically inacurate, and b) conveniently, too, the period you cite ends prior to the heat waves of the year 2003 and 2006. Maybe is too soon to have 2006 data, but 2003 is very well documented because, as I said, was an exceptional year for all Europe, with thousands of deaths caused by the heat.
So, your posts lack definitive and extensive data to dismiss the Global Warming.
Yours, Evil.
P.S.: Everybody knows now your true name because you were too arrogant. Never ever publish nothing linking your (supposedly) anonymous nick/handle and your true name. Isn’t our fault.
June 29th, 2006 at 8:29 pmHe also omitted the fact that he got his information off Wikipedia where anyone could have written it – including him.
And now, he’s trying to tie the space that the sun takes up to mass and heat… What moron doesn’t get that you can arrange a smaller number of items into the same area as a larger number of items previously occupied, but still have fewer items? Only sEXXON, that’s who.
This is like trying to talk to a dog. Pointless.
June 29th, 2006 at 9:58 pm”How can a high school teacher be this immature”?
Comment by Seixon to unbelievable.
Seixon,that’s because she is not a teacher.
I’ve been saying that for 5 months now.Check her daytime/workday blogging record for 3/06 4/06 and 5/06 and tell me you could blog that much and have any job,much less teach.
She is a teacher wanna-be. Check T.P.archives.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:21 amChecking the T.P. archives, your contributions are 99% one-liners insulting people. Talk about immaturity, Sybil.
June 30th, 2006 at 8:14 amPeople aren’t teacher wanna-bes. That’s absurd. I am a teacher, but Sybil is not a nice or honest person. Check any of her posts (also Denny and E. Coli). All venom and judgment and smears. Not one nice or honest thing in any of them. Sybil should be more worried about Sybil than petty things like my ability to multi-task.
June 30th, 2006 at 8:32 amTalk about immaturity, Sybil.
Comment by Evil Spaniard — June 30, 2006 @ 8:14 am
That pretty much is all Sybil ever talks about – her/his immaturity. :)
KKKarl Rove must have the trolls out in full force. The neocons are really getting desperate as people in red states are changing their party affliation.
Al Gore was on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. I could only look at him and think “What a shame he wasn’t in charge the last 5.5 years…” He siad he didn’t have plans to run again, but I wasn’t convinced that things won’t change in another year… :)
June 30th, 2006 at 8:37 am# 120-E.S.:
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