Bush Backs Away From Comprehensive Immigration Reform
Bush Backs Away From Comprehensive Immigration Reform
Last month during a primetime television address, President Bush called for comprehensive immigration reform. He said legislation must address “all elements†of the immigration issue:
Tonight, I want to speak directly to members of the House and the Senate: An immigration reform bill needs to be comprehensive, because all elements of this problem must be addressed together, or none of them will be solved at all.
Both the House and Senate passed immigration legislation, but only the Senate bill contained a path toward citizenship for undocumented workers. The differences between the House and Senate bills need to be worked out in conference, but conservative hard-liners have successfully deadlocked talks for several weeks. Now, it looks as if Bush may placate enforcement-only advocates and back off his support for comprehensive reform:
[I]n recent days, senators and the White House have dropped hints that they are willing to move closer to the House’s position – perhaps by agreeing to a two-phase plan that would begin with construction of triple-layer walls, deployment of surveillance aircraft and other means of tightening the border with Mexico. When those measures are fully funded and operational – a process that could take as much as two years – debate on some version of the Senate’s broader proposals would begin. […]
Also this week, Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) met with Bush and Vice President Cheney to discuss his proposal for a guest worker program that would roll out only after the government certifies that the border is secure. “The president listened intently,” Pence told reporters. “He told me that he was intrigued with my proposal.”
Even on an issue for which he has strong, bipartisan support, Bush may yet again bow to pressure from his right wing base.
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Of course, why should we be surprised?
June 30th, 2006 at 1:10 pmThe fundamentalist base is failing, so Bush is trying to appeal to the nativist WASP base. And, of course, his business friends and CEO chums.
Nothing this administration does surprises me anymore (other than the national park in Hawaii. Even then, I have doubts)
I don’t trust anyone who has two phases.
Goper’s Lament (Hard To Be A Republican)
June 30th, 2006 at 1:13 pmI find I’m in agreement with George Lakoff and Sam Ferguson of the Rockridge Institute in that this really shouldn’t be viewed as simply an Immigration issue, but rather a Humanitarian issue. (http://www.rockridgeinstitute.org/research/rockridge/immigration)
There’s a reason why hundreds of thousands of people want to flee one country to get into another. Unless and until we start talking about the real causes of that, the solutions we need will never be found because we’re not going to be looking to solve the right problem.
Thank you. Blast away.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:26 pmGeorge looks like he is having a lot of fun down on the border.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:34 pmflip flop flip flop flip flop
June 30th, 2006 at 1:37 pmNow that Karl Rove is no longer in the basement at the White House, someone on junior’s staff needs to remind him to spray on his Rightguard.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:38 pmThank God!!
Handing out Amnesty to criminals was wrong when we first did it and would be wrong if we did it again. Why would anyone not fully support securing our border anyways? Doesn’t seem like a Repug vs. Dem thing, more a Rigth vs. Wrong thing. I think most of us (americans) will be more open to working with these illegal’s once no more are entering our country.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:40 pmGary: “Handing out Amnesty to criminals was wrong when we first did it and would be wrong if we did it again.” – - George is gonna get insurgents and illegals mixed up in a speech, I just know it.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:44 pmPresident Bush not only needs to resign immediately, but he also needs to get a prison term of 20 years to life at hard labor with his VP Cheney too!
June 30th, 2006 at 1:46 pmA good movie to view about mexican immigration: The three burials of Melquiades Estrada
June 30th, 2006 at 1:48 pmDo you guys/gals and this site actually oppose the USA fully securing it’s border with Mexico?
June 30th, 2006 at 1:50 pmInteresting pic of Bush on here > looks like he drank a few beers before getting into the vehicle >lol. He needs to be incarcerated badly!
June 30th, 2006 at 1:50 pmPost 11 > I believe all our borders and ports must be secured > PERIOD. There needs to be troops on the borders, but border crossings like every nation in Europe has > meaning the US controls who enters and who leaves our nation! Bush basically wants the Mexican border wide open, so his corporate pals can exploit the illegals for cheap labor!
June 30th, 2006 at 1:55 pmThere’s a reason why hundreds of thousands of people want to flee one country to get into another. Unless and until we start talking about the real causes of that, the solutions we need will never be found because we’re not going to be looking to solve the right problem.
Thank you. Blast away.
Comment by Wayne A. Schneider — June 30, 2006 @ 1:26 pm
nope… you and they are right on the mark, wayne…
June 30th, 2006 at 1:56 pmNot at all Gary,
However we should also look into why so many flee mexico to come here. Wayne is right it is a humanitarian crisis.
June 30th, 2006 at 1:58 pmDo you guys/gals and this site actually oppose the USA fully securing it’s border with Mexico?
Comment by Gary
No. We are just wondering how many more years and terms it will take a Republican House, Republican Senate, Republican Executive Branch, and all three supported by a Republican appointed Supreme Court will get around to doing just that.
June 30th, 2006 at 2:03 pmThe Mexican government, and the elite of that nation, are responsible to provide employment for their population, but they prefer to send them to the United States so big corporations can exploit them as a cheap labor source! Americans must demand that Mexico employ its poor!
June 30th, 2006 at 2:05 pmOh, I agree that is has been sad that Republicans haven’t gotten around to fully securing our borders, but Clinton also didn’t secure them. Federal government as a whole regardless of party has failed on this issue forever.
To the guy that said secruing our Mexican border isn’t possible:
That is a lie. A physical problem such as that is obivously possible to fix as it is merely an issue of money and man power. The US as lots of both to secure that border. I don’t think it would even be that hard. Pull 50,000 troops out of Iraq in the next 6 months and fly them straight to the border. Send all there military gear with them and give them the mission of securing the border. On top of that, fund large electirc fence style walls were the army suggests they need them. Then get advice from the generals on the ground as to how much cash they need. Now if that doesn’t work, just double everything they just tried. You can simply add to it until they are holding hands if that is what it takes.
This problem can be solved on our end.
Should we look at what causes the probelm:
NO because we know what causes the problem. Mexico has a failed economy while America has the strongest economy in the world. Obviously other peoples want to partake in it and I don’t fault them for wanting a piece of the pie. So, why research the “reason”, we KNOW THE REASON!
So, our job is simple. Secure the border 100% once and for all. I don’t care if Bush does it or the future Democrat President. Someone secure the border already!
June 30th, 2006 at 2:22 pmRight on target, Bluedog49.
Milions of mexicans are subsidizing the American Dream with their cheap work. If not, what would be Walmart, american agriculture, landscaping, housing?
June 30th, 2006 at 2:25 pmBluedog49,
I fully agree that we need to crack down on the Corporations as well. We need a law that provides stiff fines to any employer of illegals on top of fully securing our border.
June 30th, 2006 at 2:30 pmOf course he has backed off. The whole thing was a distraction, a smoke screen. Just like the gay thing. The GOP does this constantly to get us all agitated and to keep our eyes off the real issues.
June 30th, 2006 at 2:34 pmThat freaking picture is awesome. I am going to add it to my “George W. Bush wearing a blue shirt with the sleeves rolled up” costume collection.
The armpit sweat just tops it off.
June 30th, 2006 at 2:46 pmWhy would anyone not fully support securing our border anyways?
Comment by Gary — June 30, 2006 @ 1:40 pm
Another way to say what Gary did: I am shitless. Please kill all brownies and give me some peace.
June 30th, 2006 at 2:52 pmPull 50,000 troops out of Iraq in the next 6 months and fly them straight to the border.
June 30th, 2006 at 2:56 pmComment by Gary
Yeah, and lets make mexican Haditha´s already. Those brownies are really rare: They want to work! Furthermore, no 9/11 terrorist entered from the Mexican border.
Lets seal the borders for people, but not for your crappy products.
Americans must demand that Mexico employ its poor!
June 30th, 2006 at 3:09 pmComment by Jay Randal — June 30, 2006 @ 2:05 pm
I lived in Mexico. I agree completely.
#17 Mr. Randal,
I often find myself agreeing with you, but on this I have a different perspective. I think it goes beyond Mexico employing its poor. Shouldn’t we Americans also look at our demand for cheap goods and food as part of the problem? After all, if we were willing to pay a little more for our food and cheap goods, then maybe there wouldn’t be a need for employers to illegally hire non-citizens? And instead of viewing this simply as an “illegal immigration” issue, why aren’t we looking at it as an “illegal employer” issue? Illegal workers don’t hire themselves.
I agree that the government of Mexico certainly must help solve the problem, but our government has its share to do, too. But first, we all have to agree on what specifically “the problem” is. Conservatives have for too long been framing this as purely an illegal immigration problem requiring a “law and order” solution, but there is a lot more to it than that. And if we continue to ignore all the aspects of this outside of “immigration”, then nothing we do will stop whatever it is that people see as being the problem. Nothing will look like it changed except that there might now be a giant wall on one border.
Peace to you, my friend. Enjoy your holiday (weekend).
June 30th, 2006 at 3:35 pmIt floors me that you guys even hint that illegals coming into this country is at all ok. These illegals are the ones taking the jobs from poor americans. These are the illegals that reduce the amount of pay possible for many low paying jobs. These people having lower pay and less jobs are the people the Dems usually fight for. I guess I am confused.
June 30th, 2006 at 3:40 pmIf we fully secured the border and fined any business for hiring an illegal, it would without a doubt create more jobs for american citizens. Furthermore, it would increase the pay of such jobs. Sounds like a very good thing and sounds like an issue normally trumpeted by the left, not the right. How they stole this issue from you guys is beyond me.
June 30th, 2006 at 3:41 pmIllegals by far hinder us more than they help… They make up a small percentage of our work force, I believe it was less than four percent(even in your beloved construction argument still less than four percent) while taking up twenty percent of our jail cells and in some school areas, eighty percent of the students… In Dallas they are now demanding English speaking students to learn and take test in Spanish!!?? I personally moved my family from a school district who was trying to get my honor student to teach English to Spanish students. Wasn’t my child there to learn, now my tax dollars are paying for their education and my son has to provide it… I don’t think so, he goes to school to learn…
If you want to come to the US legally, more power to you… If you can not respect our laws and our customs in our own house then get out…
http://www.cis.org/topics/costs.html from the Center of Immigration Studies.
“The National Research Council has estimated that the net fiscal cost of immigration ranges from $11 billion to $22 billion per year, with most government expenditures on immigrants coming from state and local coffers, while most taxes paid by immigrants go to the federal treasury. The net deficit is caused by a low level of tax payments by immigrants, because they are disproportionately low-skilled and thus earn low wages, and a higher rate of consumption of government services, both because of their relative poverty and their higher fertility.
This is especially true of illegal immigration. Even though illegal aliens make little use of welfare, from which they are generally barred, the costs of illegal immigration in terms of government expenditures for education, criminal justice, and emergency medical care are significant. California has estimated that the net cost to the state of providing government services to illegal immigrants approached $3 billion during a single fiscal year. The fact that states must bear the cost of federal failure turns illegal immigration, in effect, into one of the largest unfunded federal mandates.”
All you pro ILLEGAL, (it is called illegal for a reason) send the GOVT a check for the 22 billion and we will shut up… But taking my money to give to them is stealing… Oh, and before you go off on the hate monger speech, because some of you can not see past the race issue into a actual problem, I am a legal Italian immigrant… With little sympathy for people trying to jump to the front of the line…
June 30th, 2006 at 4:03 pm#29, and, of course, the U.S. minimum wage staying the same for 9 years has nothing to do with low-paying jobs.
June 30th, 2006 at 4:08 pmGary,
Your proposals wont fix the problem though. Wayne is ABSOLUTELY correct! This is a humanitarian issue. You were, however, correct when you pointed out that Clinton failed us on this issue also. His failure was of a different variety though: he signed NAFTA into law. Simply putting troops on the border and building walls and electric fences is not a solution though. One of the Representatives in Congress ( I forget which) said it best. She said, “You show me a 50 foot wall and I’ll show you someone with a 51 foot ladder”. We have to address this problem on ALL fronts. First and foremost, we must get tough with the government and ruling elite of Mexico. Second, and more importantly, we need to rewrite and/or scrap significant portions of the North American Free Trade Agreement (which, sadly, will never happen) in order to stop big agro-conglomerates from destroying the idea of the family farm in Mexico. Third, we need to start enforcing the laws already on our own books. In particular, we need to begin prosecuting and jailing the CEOs and Hiring Managers of American Companies who hire illegals. We need to go after and prosecute the “Coyotes” who bring them into this country and lock them up for LONG prison sentences. Most importantly of all we need to put to rest the notion that illegals do “jobs that American citizens wont do” by addressing why American citizens wont do those jobs: because the companies don’t pay a living wage to do them. If we were to enforce the pathetic federal minimum-wage guidelines we have on the books and address the other issues I’ve discussed, we might be able to fix this problem. That, unfortunately, only solves part of the problem though. We need for our government to take the necessary steps to secure ALL of our borders and ports though which the Bush administration has proven they are not willing to do. They would rather spend ALL of our money lining their buddies’ pockets in Iraq. The fact that 5 years after 9/11 only 5 of every 100 containers that enter US ports are checked in any way shape or form is fucking pathetic. There are portions of the United States border with Canada where you can simply walk across and noone is the wiser. I know because I’ve done it. The immigration issues our nation faces are not simply economic in nature. As Wayne said above, it’s a humanitarian issue. It is also, however, a security issue, a sustainability issue, and, in some cases (particularly in the realm of the asian snakeheads) a human rights issue. We need real leadership to face these issues and beging to solve them. Sadly, that isn’t something the Bush administration is big on providing.
June 30th, 2006 at 4:35 pmI have been a Democrat all my life but don’t support them on this issue. This Congress is not listening to the American people on this issue. I truly believe the Democrats will lose in November over this.
June 30th, 2006 at 4:49 pmAs far as building any kind of wall between the US and Mexico (but not Canada for some unexplained reason), I think of it like this:
You’re sitting next to an open window in your house when you notice bees are coming in. Now you can just close the window if you want and think the problem is solved. But you’ll never be able to enjoy sitting at your open window again if you do nothing about the source of the problem, namely, the bees’ nest just outside your window.
Building a wall doesn’t do anything to make the problem go away. It just makes it less visible, but it solves nothing if you don’t address the reasons why people are crossing the border illegally. It is something that has to be solved by all the governments involved. (Yes, Canada’s, too.)
June 30th, 2006 at 5:01 pmHow can you guys say this won’t work?
If we prosecute the companies with extremely high fines (say $500,000 first offense, #2,000,000 each additional offense) plus have a minimum of 40,000 border patrol, and then add electric/barb wire/really tall fences to assist the new border patrol, IT WILL WORK. If you disagree, please explain why based on the programs I just stated.
I manage a mobile home park and a few apartment buildings. These are 2 stories that have happened to me in the last 2 years.
Story A:
Hispanic husband/wife come into my office with a little firl that is around 10-12 years old. The little girl says they want to rent a mobile home from me. I explain that I cannot talk with her about it as I need to discuss that with adult or if her parents cannot speak english they need a lawyer or someone like that to interpret (Note, that is our policy as we used to allow there children to interpret for them, but that failed since when we evicted them they would try and sue us because they would claim they didn’t understand what they signed “because we didn’t explain it well to there children”).
I of course get a phone call from some lawyer that claims to represent immigrants. He claimed that I was doing something illegal because I wasn’t providing my services in both English AND Mexican. I told him 3 things. 1, I don’t care what language they speak but I don’t allow minors to interpret him when we are discussing legal matters and legal documents there parents need to sign. 2, This is a private business and we have the right to speak and use whatever langauge we want. If they don’t like it, LEAVE! 3, Here is the number to my lawyer. If you take this any further, I will have him send you enough motions, paper work, and counter suits to make this go on for over 1 year. Do your clients have enough cash to keep your services forever because that is how long it will take.
Story B:
A hispanic family comes into my office and has another adult with that that speaks English (they of course can’t). I explain that I have apartments open and I would be happy to rent one to them. They seem happy. I then ask for a driver’s license or a social security card to put on there application. They claim they don’t have driver’s license’s and both of there social secuirty card’s are missing. I tell them I will not rent to someone who cannot prove who they are nor will I rent to someone who cannot provide me with information proving they are legal residents of the US.
A few weeks later I get a call from another lawyer claiming to represent immigrants. He claims that I have no right to ask for a drivers license or a social secuirty card. I tell him 1 thing. 1, Get bent you loser. If they can’t prove they are legal you should be calling immigrantion services not me!
To date, I have these types of stories happen almost every single month and I usually get these weird phone calls from lawyers that apparently represent illegal immigrants (who the hell pays these guys anyways?). I have NEVER had this type of immigrant story for anyone except Hispanic speaking folks and I live in a state bordering Canada.
So, for any of you that say we need to enforce all the borders equally, you are simply failing to see where illegals are coming from. While I agree that the canadian border needs security for the safety of the US, the mexican border is need for BOTH security and to keep illegals OUT!
My small town used to be a place where the High School senoirs and juniors would find summer work in the Green Giant factory and farmers fields for the summer so they could save some cash for college. Now, most all the high school kids are without jobs. I’ll give you one single guess who currently gets those jobs.
Illegal immagration is a HUGE problem. I will vote for whoever actually wants to stop this problem. I don’t care if your democrat, Repug, or a third party canidate. What we have currently done for the last 30 years is shameful and costs Americans more then most could even guess. If I had it my way, I would start out with more things then we need to stop it and then reduce as we get a feel for it.
Personally My Plan:
Step 1a: Get financing in place. If all the policy guys say they need 50 billion for this, go get 100 billion.
Step 1b: 100,000 new border patrol ASAP
Step 1c: Fines for any business that hires an illegal. (1 offense $500,000, all other offenses $2,000,000).
Step 2a: Ask heads of the new border patrol where walls need to be built and start on construction as soon as they tell us where.
Step 2b: Provide the border patrol with 10,000 unmanned planes for there survaliance needs.
Step 2c: Hire 500+ more judges that specifically try illegal immigration cases.
Step 3a: Once we are sure that 99.9% of all illegal immigration is stopped, work with congress to figure out how to make LEGAL citizens out of the illegals that have been in the country for over 6 years or have children that are already legal american citizens.
Step 3b: Work with Congress to make extremely stiff penalties for any illegal immigrant caught in the US. I would go with 5-10 years in jail plus no chance of ever becoming a US citizen in there life.
Please tell me why that wouldn’t work?
June 30th, 2006 at 5:58 pmInteresting posts everyone > this is an important issue that many in the House, and Senate, of both political parties would like to sweep under the rug and do nothing about! We the citizens of the United States must demand secure borders, but also demand living wages for American workers, as well as for the population of Mexico in their own country! We have to end poverty in Mexico to stop the poor from fleeing into the US to be exploited by greedy corporations, like Tyson Chicken Company, etc.!
June 30th, 2006 at 10:27 pmbut Clinton also didn’t secure them
Clinton, Clinton, Clinton! –Jan Brady
really now whats the point of arguing a man whom is no longer a president, I may as well say it’s Washingtons Fault.
Jeminycrikesomite
June 30th, 2006 at 10:57 pmWhere is the debate? All I get here is bellyaching
June 30th, 2006 at 11:43 pmBrandi, all you get here is a good reaming.
July 1st, 2006 at 3:07 amI love Mike Pence but his proposal is being viewed by many conservatives in his party as just another “Amnesty” plan. I heard Phyllis Schaffly and others on C-SPAN the other day really blasting Congressman Pence.
What can be done in the way of “damage control” on this issue? I’d love to see him n the GOP ticket in ‘08.
July 1st, 2006 at 10:20 am#33 green917,
Excellent post, and thanks for the compliments.
July 1st, 2006 at 10:22 amBush’s Immigration…
One thing I can’t stand is the thought of Bush, the Senate, or any of the rest of our government making a pathway for illegal immigrants to become citizens in our United States. I’ve written on this topic before, but…
July 1st, 2006 at 2:42 pmFor a while it appeared that the immigration issue was going to be the big one in the fall election. It looks like the Rethugs are running away from it. Damn!
July 2nd, 2006 at 12:11 amI think illegals that been raised here in the U.S. for more then 10years deserve a form of citizenship as long as they have a clean criminal record. I was born in mexico but been here since i was 8 months old and now im 17yrs, it feels pretty bad not to be able to have rights like my friends or brothers and sisters which are U.S.citizens. my parents are also permanent residents. For example I struggle cause i cant get an I.d. card or drivers licence. I feel like I was born here and love this country for all the oppurtunities thats its given me. Now i graduted from high school in Fresno, CA and would like to join the Navy to serve the country thats given me all these oppurtunities. Honestly I dont know what to do.
July 2nd, 2006 at 12:30 pmI think illegals that been raised here in the U.S. for more then 10years deserve a form of citizenship as long as they have a clean criminal record. I was born in mexico but been here since i was 8 months old and now im 17yrs, it feels pretty bad not to be able to have rights like my friends or brothers and sisters which are U.S.citizens. my parents are also permanent residents. For example I struggle cause i cant get an I.d. card or drivers licence. I feel like I was born here and love this country for all the oppurtunities thats its given me. Now i graduted from high school in Fresno, CA and would like to join the Navy to serve the country thats given me all these oppurtunities. Honestly I dont know what to do.
July 2nd, 2006 at 12:30 pmI think illegals that been raised here in the U.S. for more then 10years deserve a form of citizenship as long as they have a clean criminal record. I was born in mexico but been here since i was 8 months old and now im 17yrs, it feels pretty bad not to be able to have rights like my friends or brothers and sisters which are U.S.citizens. my parents are also permanent residents. For example I struggle cause i cant get an I.d. card or drivers licence. I feel like I was born here and love this country for all the oppurtunities thats its given me. Now i graduted from high school in Fresno, CA and would like to join the Navy to serve the country thats given me all these oppurtunities. Honestly I dont know what to do.
July 2nd, 2006 at 12:30 pmI think illegals that been raised here in the U.S. for more then 10years deserve a form of citizenship as long as they have a clean criminal record. I was born in mexico but been here since i was 8 months old and now im 17yrs, it feels pretty bad not to be able to have rights like my friends or brothers and sisters which are U.S.citizens. my parents are also permanent residents. For example I struggle cause i cant get an I.d. card or drivers licence. I feel like I was born here and love this country for all the oppurtunities thats its given me. Now i graduted from high school in Fresno, CA and would like to join the Navy to serve the country thats given me all these oppurtunities. Honestly I dont know what to do.
July 2nd, 2006 at 12:30 pmBrandi, all you get here is a good reaming.
Comment by JPark
Why do you think she comes here? :0
July 2nd, 2006 at 1:12 pmPost 48 jose > since you have been here since a baby, do not worry you can and should be allowed to become an American citizen! Contact your Representative for your district of California to help you to get documentation to get a drivers license, Social Security number, and to get citizenship papers!
July 2nd, 2006 at 10:27 pm$48 jose,
What Jay said in #50. Worth a try.
And thank you for your desire to serve in the United States Navy. Good luck with that. (Don’t forget, they make you put on a dress the first time you cross the equator. Or something weird like that. I’m not sure because I was in the Air Force.) I hope it helps clear the way for citizenship.
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Motorola V220.......170 USD
Motorola V303.......100 USD
Motorola V400.......150 USD
Motorola V500.......150 USD
Motorola V501.......200 USD
Motorola V525.......150 USD
Motorola V600 (OEM) w/ Bluetooth Headset..260 USD
Motorola V600 OEM...180 USD
Motorola V690.....170 USD
Motorola V750.....180 USD
Motorola V80......200 USD
Motorola V80 with Bluetooth...260 USD
Motorola V872.....200 USD
Motorola V878....180 USD
Motorola V300....150 USD
Samsung D500...240 USD
Samsung E600...140 USD
Samsung E800...180 USD
Samsung P510...120 USD
Samsung SGH-D410.200 USD
Samsung SGH-D500..270 USD
Samsung SGH-E700..150 USD
Samsung SGH-E715..170 USD
Samsung SGH-P100..130 USD
Samsung SGH-P400..95 USD
Samsung SGH-P408..240 USD
Samsung SGH-P730..150 USD
Samsung SGH-S200..90 USD
Samsung SGH-S300..70 USD
Samsung SGH-S300M..100 USD
Samsung SGH-S500...100 USD
Samsung SGH-V200...110 USD
Samsung SGH-X400...100 USD
Samsung SGH-X430...100 USD
Samsung SGH-X600...100 USD
Samsung X450.......100 USD
ipods
Apple iPod from hp 40GB = USD$150 Apple iPod from HP 20GB = USD$120 Apple iPod U2 Special Edition 20GB = USD$130 HP Apple iPod / 40GB / Click Wheel / MP3 Player = USD$170 Apple iPod MP3 Player, 20gb = USD$115 Apple iPod Shuffle1GB MP3 Player = USD$85 Apple iPod for Windows - Digital player - 10GB Hard Drive = USD$130 Apple iPod 40GB 3rd Gen M9245LL/A A1040 = USD$140 Hewlett Packard Apple iPod from HP 20GB With Click Wheel = USD$95 Apple Ipod 20GB 4th Generation = USD$130 APPLE iPod mini Player 4G Light Blue Model M9802ZP/A = USD$93 Kingston Apple iPod from hp 40GB with Click Wheel = USD$140 iPod Mini 6GB = USD$145 iPod 60GB = USD$170 iPod Mini 4GB = USD$105 Apple iPod shuffle (512 MB - M9724LL/A) MP3 Player = USD$80 Apple iPod mini Green Second Gen. (4 GB - M9806LL/A) MP3 Player = USD$110
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