Congressional rubber stamp of military commissions in doubt.
By on Jun 30th, 2006 at 11:27 pm
Congressional rubber stamp of military commissions in doubt.
Sen. John Warner (R-VA) “said Friday that he was not sure that Congress should pass legislation to create new military tribunals for terror suspects, a stance that raised doubts about prospects for a White House plan to establish an alternative to the commissions struck down this week by the Supreme Court,” the New York Times reports.
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If it were our soldiers being held by another country, how would we react if it was announced they were being going to be held indefinitely and tried by military tribunals? Would we hold up the Geneva Convention guidelines and claim war crimes were bing committed? Of course we would. In fact, we did precisely that when solders were taken by Iraq.
According to the Bush administration, we do not have to honor because they are not military combatants. Really? If so, then Bush needs to apologize to the world for calling this a war. Just another black eye to add to the atrocities committed in Iraq. Torture, murder, and detention without due process are actions of roque nation, not those of one claiming to pursue democracy and freedom.
June 30th, 2006 at 11:50 pmBravo Dave in IL#1….my feelings exactly.
June 30th, 2006 at 11:54 pm#1 – Excellent point, Dave in IL.
July 1st, 2006 at 12:15 amIt’s becoming obvious the GITMO detention camp was set up just for show, and that almost everyone incarcerated there is most likely innocent, but being used as pawns by the Bush Regime! The so-called “War on Terrorism” is a complete fabrication concocted by Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld in the Pentagon! They needed an offshore facility to house a group of captured stooges to claim, as props, to be terrorists, but actually the prisoners are mostly Afghani farmers and Iraqi cab drivers who were kidnapped to Guantanamo!
Bush and Cheney cannot let them go free, because without them as props for terrorism, their bogus war would be exposed as a complete fraud, and they would be impeached!
July 1st, 2006 at 12:45 am#4
July 1st, 2006 at 12:52 amThey can release all the prisoners at Gitmo that they want. It won’t change the opinion of the illegitimacy of the War on “Terror.” That was already determined by the Iraq Occupation
The Supreme Court just showed the world that Bush has been committing crimes. Now the other world leaders will not get involved with this war criminal. Look for others to attack the wounded duck aka Bush. That’s how Daddy Bush got his start by attacking rich oil men who were weaken. The parties over for the corrupt GOP but it will show more from the overseas investors. Notice most investors are pulling out of Afgan/Iraq investments. All those back room secret meetings, the lies, journalist paid to lie and the torture has caught up with Bush and company.
July 1st, 2006 at 12:59 amExcellent post, Dave. Right on point.
Much will ride on whatever bill gets pushed through Congress.
July 1st, 2006 at 2:24 amIt seems to me that somebaody is missing the point in Washington? Amnd I think that they do so because they did not ever go to war? Let me explain?
There is no doubt in my mind that these detainees are dangerous thugs? if they were not I highly doubt that the Armed Forces would have taken the time to bring them all the way around the world in such a way for so long?
It has been reported that some have actually been released and you can bet that some have been recruited to our advantage and that of the Iraqi people? And besides it probably dirves Castro nuts to know that there are some really dangerous charetcers on his Island, and that their presence could perhaps be a pay back for when castro sent thousnads of violent offenders to the U.S. 20 years ago?
But I digress…
Gitmo is a never never land in a way, its neither American soil (its leased under a long term deal with the past government that no longer exists in sa sense) nor is it Cuban. It is governed under the UCMJ, and we all know military justice is to justice as military music is to music?
Its rough, straight line, very narrow in its application by definition, “military”. But it serves a purpose and that is the good order and discipline of the military, a place where orders to carry out a mission are in an atmosphere fraught with fear and peril and extreme sacrifice?
For instance is it permissable under the UCMJ to execute a deserter on the battle field? yes ” because if you didnt, then everyone would do it”, sometimes dangerous missions are accomplished because tio fail inany given assignment is ultra critcal, and the demand for it execution critical and extreme governed by extreme measures?
But even if you buy into all of the above? The point is that the Geneva Accords are every bit as much if not more so is…that the geneva accords are as much as how “not “to fight wars than how “to” fight wars!
So when all the airbags get up and thump their chest ask your self as John Murtha did, Sir? Were you at Normandy, did you serve in Korea, Viet Nam, Granada, Somalia, Desrt Storm… because from Generals to Privates who have been at the Edge of Freedoms Shinning and lived to tell about the crack of the bullit flying through the air, and that stacato burts of an artillary shell, and the jet engines scream and the thunder of a B-52 carpet bomb pattern, they know the spine shivering danger and when they speak of war, they speak in tempered tones, mindfull of what their eyes have seen and their psyche has remembered in the seared memory’s?
Count among those visions, the vision to know that when a man is shot down and he has already tried to kill you, unless he raise a weapon to fire again it is murder to kill him, it is your duty to seize his person and refer him to command? And if you cannot because of the running engagement you are prosecuting where the mission, and your life and that of the ones you serve with are in the balance you begin to appreciate the value of a good shot?
Prisoners are inconvenient, but they are valuable in other ways, to the common foot soldier thay are a sworn enemy and discipline at the front line is keenly essential to survive the day, discipline in the structure of the US Military is every bit as critical, and how we deal with a captured combatant is the standard by which we must attain high standards?
July 1st, 2006 at 7:03 amGitmo is just practice for when this facist government throws anyone that disagrees with its policies into the gulag. If this administration gets away with detaining these prisoners forever without legal representation, then what is to stop them from locking up any protestor and throwing away the key. Here’s hoping this Congress finally shows some sense by not writing laws that work against our Constitution and the Geneva Convention.
Remember this… $43 trillion and counting… Even the total wealth of five of the riches people in this world couldn’t touch this debt. WalMart shoppers – your purchases help finance Red China’s military.
July 1st, 2006 at 8:14 amBEIJI, Iraq – Investigators believe a group of U.S. soldiers suspected of raping an Iraqi woman, then killing her and three members of her family plotted the attack for nearly a week, a U.S. military official said Saturday.
July 1st, 2006 at 8:21 amUp to five soldiers are being investigated in the March killings, the fifth pending case involving alleged slayings of Iraqi civilians by U.S. troops.
The Americans entered the Sunni Arab’s family home, separated three males from the woman, raped her and burned her body using a flammable liquid in a cover-up attempt, a military official close to the investigation said. The three males were also slain.
The soldiers had studied their victims for about a week and the attack was “totally premeditated,” the official said on condition of anonymity because the investigation was ongoing. The family had just moved into the home in the insurgent-riddled area around Mahmoudiya, 20 miles south of Baghdad.
July 1st, 2006 at 8:23 amAll modern wars are automatically wars against civilians–against women and children. A declaration of war today is a statement of intent to commit atrocities.
Perhaps the reason Americans seem so comfortable about bombing and invading little countries around the world is that the United States, unlike Europe, has never experienced “collateral damage”. If we had ever been bombed and invaded ourselves, had our infrastructure demolished, been subject to foreign soldiers breaking into our homes at night, seen our children slaughtered and our houses destroyed, we would be, I suspect, less gung-ho about war and less cavalier about inflicting these horrors on other people.
It’s long past time to admit that the 19th century image of war as soldiers fighting each other on a battlefield with ‘rules of engagement’ is at best an absurd anachronism. Modern war is simply the wholesale slaughter of innocent people by everyone who engages in it. Pretending that only some child-murders are despicable atrocities while others are humane and lawful is just another symptom of the Bush administration’s moral bankruptcy.
Not my quote, I picked it up somewhere, daily kos perhaps? It’s a good one.
July 1st, 2006 at 8:27 amAnyone read the NYT piece? Other Republicrooks are using this issue as a means to paint Dems as being “soft on terror”. They’re trying to say that Dems are asking for “special treatment” for terrorists. Since when does following Geneva constitute “special treatment”?
July 1st, 2006 at 9:30 am#1 Dave makes a good argument.
July 1st, 2006 at 9:54 amWe want our own captured soldiers to be treated well and we denounce anything short of that.
BushCo has deigned that he alone will determine who he will incarcerate, how they will be treated, and how long he will keep them, defying conventional rules of war.
Rewriting our laws to accommodate his tyranny may allow him to continue with his illegal and immoral tyranny but it will not serve us well in the world, now or in the future.
BTW, many Gitmo prisoners have been released from time to time with no charges having been filed, yet Bush continues to declare them thugs, killers and dangerous people. Even if there are terrorists imprisoned, their usefulness years after their capture is doubtful; and if they are true terrorists, then charge them and hold lawful trials.
#1 Dave in IL, Good post. Nicely stated.
July 1st, 2006 at 10:18 amComment by stewart — July 1, 2006 @ 7:03 am
stewart, are you sure of your comments…
because you seem to have a lot of questions???
one point: you can also bet that many of those released have been recruited to our DISadvantage – creating more “terrists”, we are…
July 1st, 2006 at 10:18 amWhen they let groups of detainees go, the Iraqi”insurgents” kill more of our soldiers. The pictures and videos coming out of GITMO are not an accident, in my opinion. It is to keep the war effort going. WE were called insurgents by the British when WE objected to No taxation without representation. I believe it is time, once again, to stop paying taxes. Why should WE have to call write and email to ask our reps. to vote for legislation that helps US and not Corporations. Why do they repeatedly vote against US? They work for US.
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