BREAKING: North Korea Test Launches Missiles
BREAKING: North Korea Test Launches Missiles
One landed in the Sea of Japan, according to an AP report. “Japanese government officials were trying to determine whether it was a long-range ballistic missile that had been readied for launch recently.”
UPDATE: “North Korea launched a long-range Taepodong-2 missile early Wednesday in an apparently unsuccessful test that failed in flight, a senior State Department official said. North Korea also tested at least two smaller missiles, U.S. sources told CNN.”
UPDATE II: A Pentagon official, contradicting the CNN report, tells the AP the long-range missile was not fired. “North Korea test-launched two missiles Wednesday that landed in the Sea of Japan, but a Pentagon official said they were Scud missiles and not the longer-range variety that has been the focus of international concern.” The AP now reports the Taepodong-2 was fired.
UPDATE III: The New York Times says a long rangle missile was fired. “North Korea apparently test-fired several missiles in the early hours of Wednesday, July 5 (Tuesday afternoon Eastern time), including the Taepodong-2, the long-range missile at the heart of diplomatic tensions with the United States and its allies, according to reports by Reuters, The Associated Press, CNN and other agencies.”
UPDATE IV: CNN now reports there were five total launches, including the long-range Taepodong-2, which failed after 42 seconds.
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Looks like N. Korea held it’s own fireworks. Here we are, stuck in the sand in Iraq, Bush is telling the troops that we won’t leave until complete victory, which means never, and N. Korea is target practicing with their missles. Too late to do anything with N. Korea because they already have the bomb and we won’t mess with someone that has the bomb.
July 4th, 2006 at 4:39 pmWelcome to WWIII, compliments of GWB and KJI
July 4th, 2006 at 4:40 pmArent ya glad we wasted all this time in Iraq bush loyalists? Karma my friends…..
July 4th, 2006 at 4:44 pmhuh… i don’t remember the thread, or the poster (marie?), but someone wrote that they had a feeling something bad would happen today… i hate those kind of premonitions fulfilled…
July 4th, 2006 at 4:46 pm#4 – Yeah katy, but I thought it would be something going wrong with the space shuttle.
July 4th, 2006 at 4:57 pm*dread*
Does this mean georgie and the government wont get to enjoy thier bratwursts this evening? What was it malkin said…boo freakin’ hoo.
July 4th, 2006 at 5:02 pmonce again Americas foreign policy ,
never heard about backing a rat into a corner and it jumps at your throat,
all this ignorance to justify military spending will get you nuked soon,
that wa a short range missile
The long range missile is all fuelled up everything nearby cleared away and ready to go,
never hear anvilhead and the likes say to North Korea
Just think it could have a payload of 100 kilos nerve gas WOW eh that would nicely just travel downwind right across America
America would be inhabitable for 50 years and youd all have to move just like refugees -
July 4th, 2006 at 5:02 pmgood one, Vance!
July 4th, 2006 at 5:11 pmBoo Hoo for them!…
North Korea’s actions are enough to set off pathological kooks like Cheney and Rumsfeld–they want total war. Iraq was just practice to feel what it was like to send men to their deaths upon their command. Remind me again why were are in Iraq? WMD? Was Saddam testing his missiles?
July 4th, 2006 at 5:11 pmre: the update,
I only heard 2 scud missiles…..
July 4th, 2006 at 5:13 pmWhat’s everyone freakin for? This is at least their 3rd test, and they always fail. NK might have nuke material, but they ain’t got any way to deliver it, apparently.
I”m guessing the engineer of that missle has either been killed or is about to be….
July 4th, 2006 at 5:13 pmCanada’s looking pretty good right about now………….
July 4th, 2006 at 5:14 pmtrueblue, New Zealand has always appealed to me. We can ride of one of those crazy speed boats. Sound good?
July 4th, 2006 at 5:16 pmVance- The Chimperor is already having his bratwurst and the only time he’ll stop eating it is if a diverse city gets bombed. Then, he’ll be playing guitar with Mark Wills or Lee Greenwood while millions lose their homes, businesses and their lives.
In the meantime, let’s look at it as what the government, the Chimp Administration and those hacks in the media always wanted. Besides, they needed something to
July 4th, 2006 at 5:18 pmkeep themselves occupied during the 4th of July.
CNN is now reporting 4 missiles fired and at least one splashed down in the Sea of Japan close to the Japanese mainland. CNN talking head telling us to calm down because these missiles can’t reach the US and N. Korea won’t have the capability to do for 10 more years. This was all just a “f*ck-off” to Bush and the neocons who think they have the credibility on the world stage to tell others how to conduct their foreign affairs.
It must not be a serious deal yet as Wolf Blitzer isn’t on CNN.
July 4th, 2006 at 5:19 pmI’ll settle for Jamaica. Great music, great beaches, lots of things to do.
July 4th, 2006 at 5:21 pmMy second choice, Italy. Preferably Tuscany. Of course, for the food.
#14 jimbo…..Truer words were never spoken. Pardon me whilst i go vomit over the whole situation.
July 4th, 2006 at 5:22 pmPunchy, I hope so because it’s a slow day for the media. I guess they didn’t have anything to report, even though there’s still poverty, social issues, environmental problems that needs to be address.
July 4th, 2006 at 5:25 pm#17 Right ahead of you!
July 4th, 2006 at 5:26 pmYemen to seek nuclear power
Yemen’s president says he will seek to produce nuclear energy for civilian use as he registered his candidacy for a new term.
thats now Libya and Brazil too
July 4th, 2006 at 5:31 pmRight on Judd! MSNBC didn’t even interupt it’s repeat of the BTK story for the news. Now go enjoy your holiday will ya.
July 4th, 2006 at 5:32 pmI wonder how hard its been today for the secret service to find a copy of my pet goat?
July 4th, 2006 at 5:35 pmZookeeper,
Sounds good to me!!!!!
July 4th, 2006 at 5:37 pmtrueblue, I heard the men sometimes wear kilts, too. *sigh*
July 4th, 2006 at 5:39 pmIn a vote of the Disarmament Committee of the United Nations (UN),
one and only one nation voted against ElBaradei’s verifiable ban on fission – George Bush’s America. The final tally was 147 nations to one
In a later vote of the entire UN General Assembly, Israel and Britain abstained, while America and Palau voted against ElBaradei’s verifiable ban on fission, and 179 nations voted in favor of his proposal. The final vote on that occasion was 179 in favor, two opposed (U.S. and Palau), and two abstentions (Israel and Britain).
This could have been sorted years ago but not with BUSH
July 4th, 2006 at 5:43 pmThis could have been sorted years ago but not with BUSH
Comment by Doodle Bug
The all purpose phrase for the GWB years.
July 4th, 2006 at 5:48 pmIt would be interesting to see in what order North Korea fired the short range missles and long range missle. My guess is that they were trying to determine if the US was going to hit their long range missle by launching decoys, then fired their long range missle after the US didn’t react to the short range missles.
July 4th, 2006 at 5:48 pmI sent a copy to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. (Shit – that address is supposed tobe a state secret – SS, please forgive me).
July 4th, 2006 at 5:49 pmZooey,
I dated a Dubliner for a year….
There is nothing but manhood under those kilts!!!
He was an Irish dancer…….
July 4th, 2006 at 5:50 pmnow why did I know before I even opened this set of posts that somehow, someway the moonbats here would be blaming Bush for the N Korean missle launch??
July 4th, 2006 at 5:52 pmI’ll bet by the end of this all you moonbats will have Bush flying over ther to actually push the launch button himself.
yet if Bush did anything more than he did you would of course chastise and denigrate him like you do over Iraq and every other damn thing.
you moonbats ought to go back and read some of your anti- Bush and anti- American posts and see how utterly stupid you all sound.
Comment by moonbat patrol
Hi Bill O’Reilly!!!!
Boy doesn’t your face look red/blotchy on Al Franken’s “Lies And The Lying Liars”
Just sayin’
Too bad he’s also kickin your butt on the radio!!!!!!
July 4th, 2006 at 5:55 pmwould that be this 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Contact the White House1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW Washington, DC 20500. Phone Numbers Comments: 202-456-1111 Switchboard: 202-456-1414 FAX: 202-456-2461, TTY/TDD …
July 4th, 2006 at 5:57 pmhttp://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/
Looks like Iran is off the cards for a while till the little North Korea problem gets sorted first – He he
July 4th, 2006 at 6:00 pmnow why did I know before I even opened this set of posts that somehow, someway the moonbats here would be blaming Bush for the N Korean missle launch??
I’ll bet by the end of this all you moonbats will have Bush flying over ther to actually push the launch button himself.
yet if Bush did anything more than he did you would of course chastise and denigrate him like you do over Iraq and every other damn thing.
you moonbats ought to go back and read some of your anti- Bush and anti- American posts and see how utterly stupid you all sound.
Comment by moonbat patrol — July 4, 2006 @ 5:52 pm
Yes, because the reason you fruitcakes voted foe him was his tough talk. Unlike Clinton the North Koreans were not going to further develope nuclear weapons and a ICBM. Talk is cheap. You voted for a moron.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:00 pmN. Korea threatens U.S. with ‘nuclear war’
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea would respond to a pre-emptive U.S. military attack with an “annihilating strike and a nuclear war,” the state-run media has said, heightening anti-U.S. rhetoric amid close scrutiny of its missile program.
FULL STORY
The White House has dismissed that threat as “hypothetical.” WELL NOT ANYMORE BUSHMONGER
July 4th, 2006 at 6:05 pmopps here the correct story
N. Korea threatens U.S. with ‘nuclear war’
July 4th, 2006 at 6:08 pmIt would be interesting to see in what order North Korea fired the short range missles and long range missle. My guess is that they were trying to determine if the US was going to hit their long range missle by launching decoys, then fired their long range missle after the US didn’t react to the short range missles.
Comment by Jason M. Hendler
“Didn’t react,” because the N. Koreans would then see how useless they are? Unless Kim Jong Ill tapes road flares to the nosetips, these missiles are pretty much safe from our missile defect, -er, I mean defense system.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:09 pmmoonbat we only blame you for voting for and continuing to support the most inept and unprincipled President since Nixon–who was brought down by lies on top of lies. Those N. Korean missiles were designed to show Bush his foreign policy failures are so huge that it will take years to fix.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:09 pm#34 apparently you conviently forgot that Clinton sold (or gave for some head from some little chinagirl) missle technology to China?
July 4th, 2006 at 6:13 pm# 34 gee hasn’t al franken gone off the air or something because NOBODY listsned to him??
typical moonbats blame America and Bush first.
and yes I voted for Bush over the left wing lurch from massachussets who was to the left of turd kennedy.. and I am damn proud I voted for Bush and would do it again. actually i would vote for roadkill before I ever voted for a liberal.
you moonbats are so funny, go back and read some of your posts if you don’t believe me.
zooey – was that you with the premonition?
July 4th, 2006 at 6:18 pmi had to take a break with this lates headline…
is there room in that boat with you and blue?
hey, new zealand, my dream australia, it’s a toss up!
i’ll take either!
All they have to do is have a payload of 200 kilos Anthrax explode 500 miles of your coast at an altitude of 20,000 feet and its still goodbye
or even better 200 kilos nerve gas and its definately goodbye to all downwind
or just a remote vessel of the coast with 3 tonnes nerve gas in its cargo hauld open with an easterly wind
or just a coco cola tin full dropped from the empire state building
Im so glad that the Europeans has not wound up the Koreans – Oh Well
July 4th, 2006 at 6:19 pm#39 – moonbat patrol,
July 4th, 2006 at 6:19 pmSo you voted for road kill in the last election. You are the criminal who should suffer disenfranchisement in the next one.
Can someone tell me where the term “MoonBat” came from? It is such an infantile term and I have a hard time believing it offends anyone. It strikes me the same as when my nephew calls his sister a doo doo head….just means she bested him once again. Any clues as to its origin?
July 4th, 2006 at 6:20 pmWhat a bunch of wimps. You are going to leave the country because of some nutcase sending up a few missiles? We can defend ourselves because Ronald Reagan had the guts to create the Star Wars program while you weren’t born yet, or were protesting about some endangered insect in California. Our situation in Iraq is not in any way preventing or inhibiting us from stopping North Korea from attacking us. It is all just posturing in the negotiation process. Even IF they could mount a successful nuclear tipped missile attack on us and get it here, we could destroy it before it even got close to us.
Be proud on July 4th of where you live and what we stand for. Any mistakes we have made in Iraq were not due to incompetence or some master plan. We stand for right vs wrong. Be ashamed that you stand for nothing. Bush is not perfect but he stands for something whereas you stand for nothing but being anti-Bush.
There are those who want to harm us ( Iraq was one of them ) and we must be prepared. Negotiation and compromise have their place, but ultimately we have been are always prepared to use force to stop our enemies with force and I am proud of that. I am proud of the men and women who are willing to risk their lives to do this for me.
Bill Collins
July 4th, 2006 at 6:23 pm3511 Deerfield Place
Columbus, In 47203
I would like one of these silly people to step out of the left wing rhetoric and tell me why they believe that the President is inept and why Iraq has anything to do with North Korea. This is Foreign Policy people!!
If you cant think of anything intelligent to say but “Bush lied, people died” Then go “mock starve” yourselves with that Sheehan.
No personal attacks, please.
By the way, what is so “non-partisan” about this site?
July 4th, 2006 at 6:24 pmAmericans will play with fire
In Europe were actually looking for immigrants to work on the undergrounds, buses etc etc and as for road sweepers we cant get enough and im sure once the antrax has come ashore in america we can offer you all employment as second rate citizens just out of pity though as long as you get you magnetic strip passports and iris scans ready for our immigration officials also we need to see a work visa
Time to start planning
July 4th, 2006 at 6:28 pmWHy is this big news? So they tested some missles that went into the drink. At least they are’nt dropping them on civilians. Know any countries that are doing that at the moment?
July 4th, 2006 at 6:28 pmEurope is a paper tiger with no real leadership. Hold onto your Euros. Maybe a museum will buy them someday. :)
July 4th, 2006 at 6:30 pmThe brilliance of the Great Decider’s strategery is on display. The Iraq war was supposed to make Iran and North Korea docile and instill fear in them at the great military power displayed by the US against Saddam.
Too bad Dondald Crumbsfeld kept telling the world everyday that the US military was being hamstrung by a “handfull” of Saddamists.
Iran and North Korea must have felt, well, a handfull of Saddamists can muck up the great US military, we are in the clear….So now they are launching missiles and the Iranians are telling The Decider, Fuck-you, we’ll negotiate when we want to.
Heckuva job.
The US suffered from post-Vietnam syndrome, Chimpy, Gimpy and CRummy have introduced the Post Iraq syndrome.
-GSD
July 4th, 2006 at 6:32 pmI am so glad that when the president of Japan was here last week that Bush actually talked to him for two whole hours about serious subjects like N. Korea, Iraq and others before they went to Graceland. Makes me feel safer from this terrist threat.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:35 pmMoonbat, aka Bill
He also kicked your ass in court!!!!!
I believe they LAUGHED at you…….
July 4th, 2006 at 6:35 pmThe Chimperor is already having his bratwurst and the only time he’ll stop eating it is if a diverse city gets bombed….~.unless he does the patented pretzel manuever and falls to the floor semi-concious and googly eyed with greasy bratwurst shining his smirking lips~
July 4th, 2006 at 6:37 pmThe brilliance of the Great Decider’s strategery is on display. The Iraq war was supposed to make Iran and North Korea docile and instill fear in them at the great military power displayed by the US against Saddam. Was it really, or was it to protect our soil with intelligence prvided by a partisan CIA?
Too bad Dondald Crumbsfeld kept telling the world everyday that the US military was being hamstrung by a “handfull†of Saddamists.Is that really what he said?
Iran and North Korea must have felt, well, a handfull of Saddamists can muck up the great US military, we are in the clear….So now they are launching missiles and the Iranians are telling The Decider, Fuck-you, we’ll negotiate when we want to.Is that not what you want? N.K. isn’t getting enough world attention and they are starving, their “leader” is a poor manager, much like your information. He needs to get bread to the table for the masses. Or more likely, to line his pockets and starve his people.
Heckuva job.
The US suffered from post-Vietnam syndrome, Chimpy, Gimpy and CRummy have introduced the Post Iraq syndrome. If we withdraw now, wont it be “Vietnow”?
July 4th, 2006 at 6:38 pmA good diversion from the Iraq failure that will justify more military expenditure at the expense of the diminished middle class of America.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:41 pmMore sound and fury signifying nothing but more money into the pockets of military contractors, congressmen and other bottomfeeders.
Tureblue,
Every one of your postings is idiotic. Do you have an independent, or quality thought in your head that doesn’t involve name calling?
What the hell are any of your points? Make some sense.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:42 pmTrueblue,
1) Moonbat and myself are actually two distinct individuals. There are more than one of us out there that have the ability to think clearly.
2) Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, and many other clear thinkers have many more listeners than you, Al Franken, or any other weakly principled individuals.
3) Try mounting an intellectual response to a comment. Are you 13?
July 4th, 2006 at 6:45 pmThe inept president linked N. Korea, Iraq and Iran in his 2001 State of the Union address as an “Axis of evil”. He is inept because he said “Bring em on”, deserted the war on terrorism in order to pursue oil interests, let 9/11 happen, destroyed 8 years of economic progress, made the United States the pharisaic of the world, lost the war in Iraq and moved jobs overseas in order to enrich his campaign donors.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:46 pmA good diversion from the Iraq failure that will justify more military expenditure at the expense of the diminished middle class of America.
More sound and fury signifying nothing but more money into the pockets of military contractors, congressmen and other bottomfeeders.
Comment by Marilyn — July 4, 2006 @ 6:41 pm
Im not sure what that means, but ok. There will always be contractors. They build your houses, that make sure your food is ok to eat, the list goes on. You can’t really believe that, besides, Mr. Moore owns stock in Hallibuton.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:46 pmHad Cong. Curt Weldon on for comment on this supposed “crsis”. Old curt could hardly hold his glee in check now that he can go before his neo-con friends in the house and screw the amukan people out of billions for a defense system of some sort, you know, like the one that we have now that has never worked.
Old Curt is for taking NK back to the dark ages and stated with a straight face that we had China over a barrel economically, so they will be glad to help us with NK.
WHERE HAS THIS MAN BEEN?
Dont he know that the billion dollars a month Bushco is borrowing from China is paying his bloated salary?
July 4th, 2006 at 6:47 pmWe have China over a barrel – my God man, get ahold of yourself. Youve lost it, just like your buddy Bush.
What oil interests? Where are the revenues? I dont fall into line with presedential policy, but make sense. We aren’t taking any oil from Iraq. Gas prices in Iraq are non-existant, here they are huge. Where is this oil interest? More rhetoric…lol.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:48 pmBill Collins,
DUH!
Meant Bill O’Reilly!!!!!!
Get over yourself!!!!1
July 4th, 2006 at 6:50 pmCan someone tell me where the term “MoonBat†came from?
July 4th, 2006 at 6:51 pmComment by Vance — July 4, 2006 @ 6:20 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moonbats for more, but this is good:
…This term has long been used to describe protesters on the political Left, but was originally coined to also describe commentators on the political Right as well as certain libertarians.…
Angry cat, Bill COLLINS!!!
I am not a mud slinger.
Moonbat patrol is a well known
TROLL here, and I was giving him what-for.
Just because you show up here today and misinterpret ONE post does not make you
old hand @ TP.
Do some freakin’ research.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:53 pmI don’t insult….. except the trolls who deserve it!
Bill Collins,
DUH!
Meant Bill O’Reilly!!!!!!
Get over yourself!!!!1
Comment by trueblue
And you think that this guy is Bill? Bill is about as centrist as it gets. LOL. He hits Bush every chance he gets.
You are out there.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:53 pmFear! Fear! Fear!
July 4th, 2006 at 6:53 pmFear is right. These nuts think WWIII is beginning!!!
TrueBlue, go to Canada. They will take you. Your income tax will go up, you wont be able to smoke in public places, and your cost of living will go up. By all means, vamoose!!!
July 4th, 2006 at 6:56 pmoh you are so right angry cat, I’ll go hide my head in shame…..
reading comprehension.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:56 pmIt’s a good skill.
Bill Collins
July 4th, 2006 at 6:57 pmAnyone knows that the Star Wars program doesn’t work and never will. It was nothing but Reagan’s gift to the aerospace industry. And stop calling people wimps who are worried about North Korea’s missile capabilities. The Japanese have serious concerns, even if a blustering chickenhawk like yourself doesn’t.
What does that even mean?
You are an idiot. I, nor anyone else can understand you.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:58 pmHold onto your Euros. Maybe a museum will buy them someday. :)
July 4th, 2006 at 6:59 pmComment by angrycat — July 4, 2006 @ 6:30 pm
In what planet do you live?
OK, I am not trying to enfoce my opinion on anyone.
But,
1. Learn how to spell
2. Do some reseach before you talk, please
July 4th, 2006 at 6:59 pmMr.Collins why on earth would you put your adress on the net. The Koreans could use use it to target your house.
July 4th, 2006 at 6:59 pmI know trueblue. He is always a nice a poster here. Now he is using caps letters to emphasize something. Whats the big deal? On the other hand, you have not posted a single thing that requires some insightful attention.
July 4th, 2006 at 7:01 pmOK, I am not trying to enfoce my opinion on anyone.
But,
1. Learn how to spell
BBBWWWAAAAHAHAHAH
July 4th, 2006 at 7:01 pmEven if the North Korean Dong 2 missile test failed, they will figure out what went wrong, then correct the problem for the next test launch! They are trying to perfect their missile, and determine its acuracy, so I would say the launch was not completely a failure! They would only use a nuke, once the missile is perfected, and if the Bush Regime attacked them first!
July 4th, 2006 at 7:03 pmYou’re right, Juan,
I should post as insightful as you did…
North Korea Test Launches Missiles
Fear! Fear! Fear!
Comment by Juan C — July 4, 2006 @ 6:53 pm
WOW!
July 4th, 2006 at 7:04 pmI am not trying to enfoce my opinion on anyone
July 4th, 2006 at 7:04 pmComment by angrycat — July 4, 2006 @ 6:59 pm
You mean spell like that?
Nor have you, which means you dont have the luxury of getting in the way.
July 4th, 2006 at 7:04 pmWOW!
July 4th, 2006 at 7:06 pmComment by trueblue — July 4, 2006 @ 7:04 pm
In fact, I was speaking about the ones who bother you. Read #75, please. Thank you.
And that Fear! Fear! Fear! was sarcastic. N. Korea will never attack US. They seem crazy but they are not stupid.
I checked out Angry Cats website. Check out the handy link list:
Links
* Townhall
* Fox News
* Drudge Report
* Michelle Malkin
Now THAT is fair and balanced: FAUX NEWS-the Pravda of the Bush/Cheney corporatocracy, Michelle Mocking-a self loathing anchor baby with the IQ of a fruitbat, Town Hall-the Reichstag of the WWW and of course straight out of the Paul Lynde closet, Matt Drudge, the eggman himself.
-GSD
July 4th, 2006 at 7:07 pmNeo,
I welcome the North Koreans, Neocons, Leftists, Centrists, and others to target my home :) . I am not ashamed of who I am, what I stand for, where I live, etc. I am a centrist in many ways. I believe in taking care of the poor, educating the ignorant, killing the evil, etc.
July 4th, 2006 at 7:07 pm#63….Thank you kindly Miss Katy
July 4th, 2006 at 7:08 pm***eating crow*****
I’m SOOOO sorry, Juan, I thought you were with them.
SORRY!!!!!!
*feeling like crap at the moment*….. rightly so……
July 4th, 2006 at 7:08 pmI am a centrist in many ways. I believe in taking care of the poor, educating the ignorant, killing the evil, etc.
July 4th, 2006 at 7:11 pmComment by Bill Collins — July 4, 2006 @ 7:07 pm
I have a question. You seem pretty reasonable, but what is evil to you? You know, I am asking because your president tend to use that word a lot, and I just cant seem to understand his definition either.
SORRY!!!!!!
July 4th, 2006 at 7:13 pm*feeling like crap at the moment*….. rightly so……
Comment by trueblue — July 4, 2006 @ 7:08 pm
This happens when we cant see each other faces, buddy. Dont be.
you mean THIS Star Wars program?:
“NO DEMONSTRATED CAPABILITY.” Since then, despite the roughly $10 billion a year that has poured into the program, Rumsfeld has conceded the system doesn’t have to be 100% effective. It just has to work well enough to change the calculation of an enemy thinking about lofting a missile at Los Angeles or New York. Problem is, it doesn’t even seem capable of doing that, as the December test showed.
After more than 20 years of effort, major parts of the system are nowhere near ready for prime time, notes Philip Coyle, a top Pentagon weapons tester in the Clinton Administration. Neither the sophisticated X-band radar nor the Space-Based Infra-red System-High (SBIRS-High), both of which are critical to detecting and tracking incoming missiles, is close to operational. SBIRS-High is running into such difficulties that Lockheed Martin (LMT ) has agreed to defer a $10 million award — its total profit on the project for 2004-2005. After a major restructuring in 2002, the cost of this one part of Star Wars was pegged at $4.4 billion — and since then has swelled to $5.6 billion.
What’s more, every time there is an attempt to intercept a missile, the target carries a beacon to tell the interceptor where it is — a service an enemy isn’t likely to offer. The bottom line: The system “has no demonstrated capability to defend against a realistic attack under realistic conditions,” Coyle says.
here’s more, for starters, here on TP:
July 4th, 2006 at 7:25 pmhttp://thinkprogress.org/?s=star+wars%2C+missile+defense&SubmitButtom=Search
#61 – angrycat,
July 4th, 2006 at 7:32 pmThe oil profits were screwed up. Cheney did not realize that the streets would not be strewn with bouquets and Rummy did not provide sufficient forces to answer that contingency. When the natives suppress exports, profits are not an option. On top of that, what weapons that were on the ground were allowed to gathered up by Saddam’s disbanded army and secured at sites unknown.
None of this bullshit had to happen. I hate this president…..and I don’t hate easily. The world would not be as it is today if he and his thugs had not stolen the election/s. It is no longer the time for the fake war between con and lib, jokes about W’s incompetence, or the media fantasy funland experience…..it is time to remove criminals that have taken over our government. These criminals do not have the capacity to negotiate sane and competent solutions to the challenges of today’s world. Our lives are in their hands as long as we allow it. No longer.
July 4th, 2006 at 7:34 pmThis is what happens when the BA ignores a real threat to go after 10 barrels of 15-year-old mustard gas in Iraq. NK had nukes well before 2003, when W and Co. invaded Iraq, and was completely ignored. Now look what happened. Too bad the T-2 didn’t land a milef off of LA, then W couldv’e been impeached for gross negligence.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
July 4th, 2006 at 7:40 pmThe erosion of our Constitution is complete. SSA: Editorial & a guest editorial:
http://www.sunstateactivist.org
Juan,
Although my “killing the evil” comment was tongue in cheeck, I have a general definition. I believe that any person, group, country, etc. that threatens to annihilate another probably falls into that group. I believe that everyone has the right to defend themselves against threats. We live in an age where nuclear weapons have a diminishing threat value. North Korea, Iran, Syria, etc. can’t hurt us with nuclear or chemical weapons ( as others in this thread claim ). The real threat is viral biological weapons. We have to make some very tough decisions about what we will tolerate. What are going to stand up against? Although it would be disireable, we can not take a “live and let live” stance in regard to the threats we face. We have to face the fact that others will try to harm us regardless of how much appeasement we offer.
July 4th, 2006 at 7:44 pmAmen, Suzanne.
I just picture Dubya with his little green army men, and at the end of the day, Laura has to tell him to pick them up just like she was talking to a two year old.
Problem is: this two year ols has his hand over the red button.
We are SCREWED while we still have this maniac in power.
Something HAS to be done. I don’t know what, but my Bush countdown has 990 days left.
July 4th, 2006 at 7:45 pmI fear we don’t have that long…..
930!
July 4th, 2006 at 7:45 pmoops
welcome the North Koreans, Neocons, Leftists, Centrists, and others to target my home :) . I am not ashamed of who I am, what I stand for, where I live, etc. I am a centrist in many ways. I believe in taking care of the poor, educating the ignorant, killing the evil, etc.
except that it will probably be the drug abuser and the ignorant american that will be the one to target your home, your daughter, your wife, maybe even your boyfriend..some uneducated rush limbaugh listener homophobe may have seen one to many jerry springers shows, become the new taleban jeff of eldorado texas, have twenty wives and his 100 kids will target you in the name of the good lord….
/snark always on
July 4th, 2006 at 7:46 pmKaty,
Yes I actually do mean the Star Wars program program you are referring to. Lots of money has been spent with many failures. I am certain there has been corruption. Even if the program is successful 50% of the time, it is still money well spent. I would love to be a pacifist. I would love to live in a synthetic world where we don’t have to defend ourselves against those who would harm us. I wish it were so for me, my wife, my children, everyone.
I believe in offering the olive branch, but being ready if it is not successful. I pray for peace. I will wage war if others wish it upon me.
Bill
July 4th, 2006 at 7:51 pmI will wage war if others wish it upon me.
Comment by Bill Collins — July 4, 2006 @ 7:51 pm
and that explains why n.korea and iran are preparing for the attack that dubya threatened them with…
i once knew a bill collins from s.central illinois…
July 4th, 2006 at 7:57 pman artist… surely not…
zooey – was that you with the premonition?
…is there room in that boat with you and blue?
hey, new zealand, my dream australia, it’s a toss up!
i’ll take either!
Comment by katy
No, katy, it wasn’t me. I felt dread, but didn’t express it.
July 4th, 2006 at 7:59 pmIt may have been Briseadh na Faire.
There’s always room on the boat! Have you seen those boats? Terrifying!
trueblue, it looks ike you have an angry cat on your back. Need a squirt gun?
July 4th, 2006 at 8:00 pmHave you seen those boats? Terrifying!
Comment by Zooey aka Zookeeper — July 4, 2006 @ 7:59 pm
well, i guess not – i didn’t know you were referring to a specific boat…
tell me more… but, really, i’m not into “terrifying” – explains why i’m not liking this latest story… it’s getting close…
and it wasn’t bris – haven’t “seen” him today… i don’t think…
July 4th, 2006 at 8:03 pm“Europe is a paper tiger with no real leadership. Hold onto your Euros. Maybe a museum will buy them someday. :)
Comment by angrycat — July 4, 2006 @ 6:30 pm”
Yeah, but then you’d go and invade the museum.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:04 pmI like the star wars program .. if it would work…
I would prefer going further with the system though… get rid of the corruption and go all out on getting it done and working… then set it up world wide with a promise to everyone… no more unilateral wars from the USA, but if anyone shoots a ballistic missle at anyone else we will shoot it down… world wide … no exceptions.
I know that alot more is being done than what is indicated in the failures. We do have lasers right now that can shoot down multiple incoming artillery shells from ground based stations…. just need to get this working on a larger scale or rather by making the package smaller so that it can be put in a position to shoot down space capable missles.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:05 pmWell, this scares the shit out of me. BUT not because of the missile launch itself, but because I’m scared to death what macho boy, “bring ‘em on”, “shoot first and ask questions later” King George will stupidly do in response. What we are in dire need of is a president who knows diplomacy, not a wanna be, moronic, unread, incurious failure.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:09 pm#101 – You hit the nail on the head, Willy. *shudder*
July 4th, 2006 at 8:12 pmTHANKS, Zooey!!
I was feeling so incredibly bad!
Thank you for putting a smile on my face!!!!
So, NZ or Australia????
July 4th, 2006 at 8:15 pmexactly, willy!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:23 pmI was feeling so incredibly bad!
Comment by trueblue — July 4, 2006 @ 8:15 pm
oh now… can’t let the bastards get to ya!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:26 pmhey, blue, i want to take a guess here – are you a
cancer or a pisces?
Mr. Randal, please email me at blog@seixon.com so we can have a little chat. Thanks.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:27 pmI was feeling so incredibly bad!
Thank you for putting a smile on my face!!!!
Toughen up, girl! It’s the angry cat’s problem, not yours. ;)
So, NZ or Australia????
Comment by trueblue
After we’ve looked under all the kilts in NZ, it’s on to Australia…I’m saving Scotland for dessert!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:28 pmActually, Katy,
I’m a Taurus, near the cusp.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:28 pmTurned 40 near the end of April…..
You are a sicko, Zooey!
I Like You!!!!!!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:29 pm” Ronald Reagan had the guts to create the Star Wars program”
I’m not afraid of NK’s Taepodong — they are currently too primitive — but this claim is just plain stupid.
Reagan’s “Star Wars” program will hardly protect you against any long-range missile as it was never implemented. SDI was a pipedream that was never realistic and we shouldn’t have wasted billions on it.
But other more limited and realistic missile defense programs had been going on since Reagan left office and would have been going on even if Reagan had never been born, not to mention that the history of US missile defense research goes back to the 50s, long before you even heard about Reagan.
( Nike-Zeu, Sentinel, Safeguard)
Reagan’s proposal was the Strategic Defense Initiative. It would have used space-based laser battle stations and nuclear-pumped X-ray laser satellites designed to intercept ICBMs in space. The goal was to defend against an all out nuclear attack. That idea was ridiculous on its face. We didn’t have and don’t have such a system and will not have one in the foreseeble future, if ever.
What we do have now is the Ground-Based Midcourse Defense, which is operational with limited capability and noone really knows whether it would work against a hostile nuclear-armed ICBM.
GMD will be the first operational missile defense program capable of protecting all 50 states — at least that’s the hope — and it’s a far cry from Reagan’s SDI.
It is rooted in the National Missile Defense Program of the 90s
http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/program/nmd/
much more than in any other missile defense program in the past. The project officially began in 1998 with a $1.6 billion dollar contract to Boeing.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:30 pm#87 – katy,
July 4th, 2006 at 8:31 pmLets not forget that there was a program named Sprint that was capable of intercepting anything that could have been flung at the US, including decoys. Design was simple – ten to sixteen kilo-ton weapon on top of a missile that would break the sound barrier about 600 feet after launch. Intercept height was about 60,000 feet and the success rate was about 100%. The vehicle met the incoming ICBM at about mach 12 and created a blast radius of two miles. In three tests in the late 50’s, using conventional explosives (400 foot blast radius) , it picked off three Redstone warheads in three attempts. The nuclear tip (for the actual weapon) was intended as a foil to offset decoys. The Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty killed the program.
Still, witnessing a take-off of one of these babies was very impressive. The vehicle was out of sight in about two heartbeats. Stress bolts were used to hold the thing down at launch as explosive bolts were not fast enough to release the vehicle before it would tear itself apart.
You are a sicko, Zooey!
I Like You!!!!!!
Comment by trueblue
I consider that high praise, trueblue. Thanks. 40? You’re just a babe in the woods!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:32 pm“I will wage war if others wish it upon me.
Bill
Comment by Bill Collins — July 4, 2006 @ 7:51 pm”
So the only prerequisite for you to wage war is that someone merely has to wish it upon you? Regardless of their capability? Regardless of whether or not they choose to stay their hand? Regardless of whether or not they even threaten you? Sounds a bit like thoughtcrime.
Exactly what harm did Iraq want to do to you? Precisely what danger did they represent that required you to go and blast it into the ionosphere? I’m sure with your self-professed ability to think clearly, your answer will be most enlightening. Though I should point out that the other “clear thinkers” you cite have thus far failed to provide any kind of lucid explanation, as have the administration.
The offer of an olive branch doesn’t go over so effectively when you have a sodding big gun in the other hand, pointed at the recipient, barrel still smoking from having just shot his neighbors, after having informed him that in your eyes he is irredeemably evil.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:33 pmwell, i never was very good at that…
July 4th, 2006 at 8:33 pmi was thinking of my very emotional cancer daughter
and my own easily bummed pisces self…
so, blue, put on your best bullish facade and
carry on, girl!
and happy birthday… 30 hit me harder than 40,
but that explains a lot! :-)
#105 Katy
My Dear Departed Daddy spoke the same in Latin “Illegitimus Non Carborundrum!”
Don’t let the bastards grind you down.
We just have yo keep on keeping on!
Happy Fourth to You All and a better one next year!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:34 pmNot really,
Zoo, Jr. just graduated
Mini Blue will be a Jr. in September….
What a “crawl” that would be!
(ie: pub crawl – a drink in every bar along the way…..)
now a “kilt crawl!”
oh that is funny! MiniBlue is covering her face, but that is darned funny!!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:36 pmoh my, walt! i’m a copy-and-paster! you are way over my head!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:37 pmand, sorry, but well into that 2nd sentence, my head started to hurt!
but i’m sure sombody got something from that! thanks!
Happy Fourth to You All and a better one next year!
Comment by Clyde the Ripper —
Same to you, Clyde, you’re the greatest. Keep giving ‘em hell!
“Illegitimus Non Carborundrum!†I bought my dad a tie that had that printed on it in thousands of tiny letters. He wore it on the bench, and only the lawyers had a clue what it was.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:37 pmKaty,
But I am VERY emotional!
I take on emotions of others, sometimes!
I am NOT a typical Taurus!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:38 pm“kilt crawl!â€
oh that is funny! MiniBlue is covering her face, but that is darned funny!!
Comment by trueblue
Here I was trying to concentrate on getting back on topic. Mmmmmm, kilt crawl…
July 4th, 2006 at 8:40 pmHi MiniBlue!
But I am VERY emotional!
I take on emotions of others, sometimes!
Comment by trueblue
That’s why it’s so easy to get you with the emotional blackmail.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:42 pm*cover MiniBlue’s eyes*
Where do you live?
Idaho?
Why don’t I just move there and we’ll have tons of fun…. and MiniBlue can hide her eyes all she wants!
Right now she’s going thru’ my postcard collection and chiding me over the not-so-politically-correct ones!
It’s great!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:44 pmNot really,
Zoo, Jr. just graduated
Comment by trueblue
I thought you knew how ancient I am!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:44 pmBut I am VERY emotional!
Comment by trueblue — July 4, 2006 @ 8:38 pm
nooooo…really? heh…
July 4th, 2006 at 8:45 pmBy the way, those people you believe “were protesting about some endangered insect in California” when Reagan proposed SDI were in fact not protesting about some endangered insect when Reagan proposed SDI. Rather they were deriding Reagan’s plan as unrealistic and costly at the same time.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:45 pmAnd they were right. Despite the billions of dollars spent on SDI
there was no Star Wars system and there is no Star Wars system.
It was nothing but an example of Reagan’s megalomania that had little if any use in the real world.
#121 – Yep, Idaho. If your house flooded here because of global warming, we’d all be doomed.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:46 pmThat’s why it’s so easy to get you with the emotional blackmail.
What Is This?
Pick On True Blue Night????
;-)
July 4th, 2006 at 8:47 pmhappy 4th to you too, clyde
July 4th, 2006 at 8:47 pm“Illegitimus Non Carborundrum!â€
i leaned something new! thanks!
#124 – Oops, I forgot we had hijacked this thread…SORRY!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:47 pmPick On True Blue Night????
;-)
Comment by trueblue
Great idea!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:49 pmOops, I forgot we had hijacked this thread…SORRY!
Comment by Zooey aka Zookeeper — July 4, 2006 @ 8:47 pm
it got quiet all of a sudden and that allowed this spate of girl talk… and a brief attempt to lighten up, i think… sure helped MY mood!
carry on!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:55 pmIt is you, Santo. This thread’s gone…worse than before. Hi Santo…
July 4th, 2006 at 8:56 pmSome of the cards, Zooey and Katy
postcard:
(pic of) “Rowdy Doody” —he has a mohawk!!! and is defacing public property!
(a man in the cooking oil aisle) “Where’s the 10-W-40?
(inside a skull); “Can’t take a joke? You could be suffering from Irony poor blood!(focus on squirting flower type gland)
“It was a fine neighborhood until the Aztecs moved in… (”And those Human sacrifices! Such a racket!)
Anyway, that’s what we’re doing tonight!
July 4th, 2006 at 8:56 pm” Even if the program is successful 50% of the time, it is still money well spent.”
Spent on what?
Do you actually know what SDI was all about?
Hello? GMD is NOT Reagan’s SDI. Two very different things.
Money spent on SDI was not spent well. It was the mother of all waste. It was good for nothing but to increase the national debt.
And it was the result of the usual thoughtless, emotion-driven policymaking that characterized both the Reagan and the current Bush administration. (Bush Sr was not like them thanks to the fact that he was much stronger intellectually than eitherReagan or his son).
Dumb presidents always lead to dumb decisions and waste.
July 4th, 2006 at 8:59 pm#139 – Sounds like a great collection, trueblue! I always ask people to send me a postcard from whereever they’re going on vacation, and then I put them up at work, so I can dream…
July 4th, 2006 at 9:00 pminteresting, trueblue… (one of those “had to be there” moments?)
i like the 10-w-40… typical…
so the town’s fireworks are due to go off in an hour, 4 blocks from my house… there is a small rain shower heading this way, according to radar… hmmm…
July 4th, 2006 at 9:02 pmI have ~ 100 postcard and~ 150 cards AND ~ 80 buttons I have collected thru the years—- All Sarcastic!!!!!
But, I must take my leave.
MiniBlue wants me to watch Kathy Griffin with her.
And any time a 16 year old wants you to be with them, you TAKE it!!!
Goodnight!!
July 4th, 2006 at 9:04 pmzooey – i have a postcard dream collection also…
July 4th, 2006 at 9:05 pmalas…
katy, one day we will be sending the postcards to all the poor saps (currently us) who are not able to travel. I have hope!
July 4th, 2006 at 9:07 pmHave fun, trueblue! Goodnight!
July 4th, 2006 at 9:08 pmAnd any time a 16 year old wants you to be with them, you TAKE it!!!
Comment by trueblue — July 4, 2006 @ 9:04 pm
yeppers on that!
and my doggy wants to walk – we’d better get that done before the rain and/or the fireworks start – she’s not fond of thunder, so i expect this may be upsetting also!
later…
July 4th, 2006 at 9:10 pmi keep getting deleted by the think progressive gestapo… you people can’t handle my truth!
if you people don’t think that the americans *want* korea to threaten us with extinction, you are living in DREAMLAND…liberal DREAMLAND… and, if you think the americans would prefer a big blue state be hit, then you are likewise DELUDED.
kisses,
ann
July 4th, 2006 at 9:52 pmNorth Korea shooting it’s missiles into Bush’s 4th of July birthday bash was just another kick to the nut sack of the neocon foreign policy. Or should I say failed foriegn policy. How long is it going to be before we find out Bush’s cabal sold the technology for these missiles to another “axis of evil” entity? N. Korea just wanted to remind Bush what a real threat looks like.
July 4th, 2006 at 9:54 pmthat should be ‘wouldn’t want a big blue state’ hit…
the champagne is flowing in d.c. tonight, and i know it is! we can now get you silly people to ADD funds to the 9.2 billion dollar ‘miisle defense’ program we have had going for YEARS….
fear is good, fear is god and we love seeing you squirm!
kisses,
ann
July 4th, 2006 at 10:01 pmThe dumbist and lying President is invading Iraq as they only had the WMD that the US gave them so it’s all about stealing oil yet North Korea shows their WMDs and Bush is scared to attack. America needs a strong wise educated President not a weak liar stealing President like George W. Bush.
July 4th, 2006 at 10:18 pmWhat oil interests? Where are the revenues? I dont fall into line with presedential policy, but make sense. We aren’t taking any oil from Iraq. Gas prices in Iraq are non-existant, here they are huge. Where is this oil interest? More rhetoric…lol.
TrueBlue, go to Canada. They will take you. Your income tax will go up, you wont be able to smoke in public places, and your cost of living will go up. By all means, vamoose!!!
Nor have you, which means you dont have the luxury of getting in the way.
Was it really, or was it to protect our soil with intelligence prvided by a partisan CIA?
OK, I am not trying to enfoce my opinion on anyone.
But,
1. Learn how to spell
2. Do some reseach before you talk, please
Comment by angrycat
Comic gold! It’s like a syndrome. Invariably, anyone who criticizes another’s spelling online will mispell something in their criticism. Perhaps it’s God’s way of telling you you’re being petty.
July 4th, 2006 at 10:18 pmwe can now get you silly people to ADD funds to the 9.2 billion dollar ‘miisle defense’ program we have had going for YEARS….
Comment by ann coulter — July 4, 2006 @ 10:01 pm
n.korea playing right into the plan, huh…
July 4th, 2006 at 10:27 pmbarfly,
i would hyphenate ‘cost-of-living’ and the use of ‘nor’ without ‘neither’ is not correct either. ‘reseach’ instead of ‘research’
kisses,
ann
July 4th, 2006 at 10:28 pmWe have to face the fact that others will try to harm us regardless of how much appeasement we offer.
July 4th, 2006 at 11:38 pmComment by Bill Collins — July 4, 2006 @ 7:44 pm
Although I think you have good intentions, it seems to me you just see the so-called (dont know why) good side. So, you are in conditions to state which side is good and which side threat you. Well, my friend, let me tell you there are very few countries in the world having the tragic, deplorable and hienous curriculum that US possess when it comes to threat, attack, destroy, finance and destabilize other countries (I have like 200 hundred examples). You could count with one hand the times US has been in a war for “good”causes, and you still would have three or four fingers left. Do some reflexion of this, and you will find that every possible threat to your country is produced by your government, that is why Sweden, Canada, Finland, Netherland, Luxemburgo and other first world countries are not threaten by anyone.
Muse back to a week or so ago, when the republicans were saying this thing could hit California.
I told the trolls then that was impossible. Whats funny is I told one of them, Seixon I think, it would most likely end up in the Sea of Japan.
Funny one of them did.
Well, like I said then, the only way one of these things is ever going to hit the West Coast is if they can also double as a Torpedo.
LOL.
July 4th, 2006 at 11:41 pmThe republicans try to buffalo everyone by saying telling you their 3000 mile range is enough to reach the West Coast.
They are not however calculating “Air Miles”.
From Seoul to LA is roughly 5700 Air Miles, so like I said, unless these things are also torpedos, they’re not going to kill anything but fish.
Next time the republican congress should call Delta.
They’ll set them straight.
July 4th, 2006 at 11:45 pmClubber, CNN was calling it the North Korean Missile Crisis. So stupid…
July 4th, 2006 at 11:47 pmWell maybe not Zooey.
It was a crisis for North Korea.
LMAO.
July 4th, 2006 at 11:55 pmHa!
July 5th, 2006 at 12:02 amAnd a crisis for the Bush administration too.
Peopke are going to remember Cheney telling us they could hit California.
Then, people are going to see what I’m telling you other places, that Cheney knew good and well that Air Miles did not support his calculations, and therefore he was needlessly scaring the American people (particularly those residing in California), like he always does.
How can the White House tell us they know whats best, when they can’t even use a globe and a simple calculator, or at least pick up a phone anc call a Stewardess.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:03 ami won’t even turn on the news… what are “they” saying about dubya’s possible reaction…
July 5th, 2006 at 12:06 amnah – it will only be conjecture and stupid 2nd guessing… i hate that stuff…
please lord, let him use even an ‘nth of the brains and patience JFK used those 45 years ago…
please lord, let him use even an ‘nth of the brains and patience JFK used those 45 years ago…
Comment by katy
You’re expecting way too much, katy, although I think FOX may try to take care of this little problem starting tomorrow. Of course, no one ever thought they would hit the US, I don’t know where anyone got that idea, you get the drift…
July 5th, 2006 at 12:09 amThen, people are going to see what I’m telling you other places, that Cheney knew good and well that Air Miles did not support his calculations, and therefore he was needlessly scaring the American people (particularly those residing in California), like he always does.
Comment by CLUBBER WORFEUS — July 5, 2006 @ 12:03 am
The sad part is that is very likely that US citizens like to be afraid. Thats what keep pumping the economy. Afraid means to be violent like a drunk bully: easy on the tough guys but a real Bruce Lee against kids.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:10 amActually, I haven’t heard a peep about GWB’s possible reaction. He’s probably still stuffing his face with bratwurst.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:11 amYou’re expecting way too much…
Comment by Zooey aka Zookeeper — July 5, 2006 @ 12:09 am
hell, that was PRAYING! i don’t know WHAT to expect………
July 5th, 2006 at 12:18 amyou would be correct in saying: “you’re ASKING way too much”
and i’m aware…
If I had to guess, and assuming none of his “handlers” get to him first Zooey, I’d guess he is probably going to come out with a lot of dangerous rhetoric because they dared to defy him and fire after he ordered them not to.
Course he can’t back any of it up.
We are in no position to fight a ground war with a 2 MILLION man army, and the I heard the Pentagon took away his launch code privileges, lol.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:20 amfrom crooksandliars… it’s time for Late Night Music Club…
this from comments, following instructions:
Never let them say you hate America because you ask too many questions…
Never let them say you hate the troops because you don’t support the mission…
Never let them say you want the terrorists to win because you stand up for human rights…
Never let them say you can leave because you criticize the current government…
Never let them say you support the enemy because you think the press should be a watchdog…
Never let them say you’re ignorant because you won’t believe their “news”…
Never let them say you’re a troublemaker because you refuse to be used…
…and never let them say you aren’t patriotic, simply because you disagree.
Thoughtful dissent is part of Patriotism – Pass it on.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:21 amFreedom Forever | Homepage | 07.04.06 – 11:39 pm | #
Clubber, I hope you’re wrong, but I fear you are right.
katy, thanks for the instructions, they’re great.
I’m outta here, enjoy the rest of your evening! Back to work tomorrow!
July 5th, 2006 at 12:24 amKaty.
What you said was beautiful I thought.
I’m trying not to overpost or I would’ve said something, because if ever there was a time for Bush to learn something, humble his hillbilly self and learn something, its now.
JFK was a god compared to Bush.
And what he needs to learn is about a little thing called the Cuban Missle crisis, and see how a little humility and a cool head by the President, can permit a few billion people go on breathing.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:25 amapparently you conviently forgot that Clinton sold (or gave for some head from some little chinagirl) missle technology to China?
you moonbats are so funny, go back and read some of your posts if you don’t believe me.
Comment by moonbat patrol —
moonbat chris,
July 5th, 2006 at 12:29 amChina and North Korea are separate sovereign countries. Most of the Chinese I’ve met during visits to China are not fond of North Korea and its chubby little dictator.
As for my own posts, I repeatedly pointed out in several earlier posts that it’s strange that the US is attacking Iraq, which doesn’t have WMD and didn’t plot 9/11, while ignoring North Korea, which is similarly run by a brutal dictator and even boasts of having nuclear capacity. You find that funny?
apparently you conviently forgot that Clinton sold (or gave for some head from some little chinagirl) missle technology to China?
you moonbats are so funny, go back and read some of your posts if you don’t believe me.
Comment by moonrat
Are you kidding me?
You want to talk about giving stuff away? How about Bush trading cutting edge nuclear weaponry and technology to India, in exchange for a boatload of mangos?
They should’ve given him a shirt with the deal to.
It could’ve read, I went all the way to India and all I got was these lousy Mangos.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:35 amIn truth I’m surprised he didn’t come back with a pocket full of magic beans.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:37 amWhat you said was beautiful I thought.
Comment by CLUBBER WORFEUS — July 5, 2006 @ 12:25 am
glad you liked that… give credit to “Freedom Forever”…
over at C&L… check it out…
that’s all for me tonight… g’nite all
July 5th, 2006 at 12:38 amprayers for peace…
I was talking about your 12:06 post Katy.
The one about JFK.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:40 amI mean think about it.
Bush is putting cutting edge Nuclear weaponary in the one place we don’t want it right now. Close to Bin Laden, close to Al Quaida.
As we know, Bin Laden is most likely residing comfortably in Kashmir, the disputed region between India and Pakistan. A place where Al Quaida flourishes and the American Military is not allowed.
We were already concerned that Bin Laden would get bored, and go into Pakistan, raising a army of loyal fans as he goes, until he overthrows Musharif and then of course, takes control of his Nukes.
Thats the REAL doomsday scenario that we are really facing.
But now, thanks to GW, Bin Laden can also choose to go into India, where he also has many loyal followers, and also possibly seize the Nukes.
And who knows, maybe they’ll just sell em to him?
Way to go Bush. You’re a tactical wizard.
July 5th, 2006 at 12:47 amok… wow… thank you, worfeus…
July 5th, 2006 at 12:48 ami was prayin’ out loud there…
g’nite – for sure now.
Course, Bush doesn’t have one ninth of the brains or paitence of John F Kennedy.
Bush doesn’t even have one one hundreth of it.
Like I said, I was surprised to see Bush didn’t come home from trading our nuclear secrets away to India with a pocket full of magic beans.
July 5th, 2006 at 1:01 amDiplomacy does not exist in the dictionary of the putrid right wing of this country.
July 5th, 2006 at 1:11 amI posted on another thread last night that I had a strange feeling something bad was going to happen for the 4th of July, but the Korean missile thing was not all of it! Earlier this evening I went to Stone Mountain Park, near Atlanta, to see a Lazer show and fireworks display > There was at least a half million to a million people at the event, and everyone was packed like sardines in front of the huge granite rock mountain > as we are waiting for the show to begin an unexpected thunderstorm came over the mountain and started pelting the huge crowd with rain > About 1/3 of the crowd panicked and stampeded to flee back to their cars > People crushed over adults and children, as I huddled under my umbrella > I was praying like crazy that the entire crowd would not go nuts, because it could have ended with crushed to death people like some soccer game match in Europe > luckily nobody was killed that I know of, but it could have been a disaster > the fireworks were fired off as thousands fled to their cars to escape > great display of fireworks, but I will always remember the sight of thousands of drenched people panicking and stampeding!
July 5th, 2006 at 1:15 amBush turns 60 tomorrow….I hope with every fiber of my being that he develops a terminal illness. The day this person dies will be the greatest day mankind has ever known….and if his medicated retard of a wife dies in a fire all the better. Bitter?
July 5th, 2006 at 1:16 amJay – almost the same thing here. Thunder and lightening, followed by some rain. That was about two hours before the show – but that helped me make up my mind to just stay home. I don’t feel very festive, and I am damned ashamed of my government. And knowing what I know, we have absolutely nothing to be proud of.
July 5th, 2006 at 1:20 amVance – I was sort of hoping that asteroid would have…..
July 5th, 2006 at 1:27 amPost 176 madashell > I have never been in such a big mass crowd of people before, and when they panicked to flee the storm it scared the crap out of me! I came prepared with plastic and an umbrella, but most of the people were not prepared, so they panicked with their kids and it was pandemonium! Since it was a sea of people, they should have stayed in place and got drenched instead of stampeding > the 4th of July lazer/fireworks is the biggest in Atlanta, Georgia, but I will never go to it again because it could have ended with people trampled to death! Odd that I had a primonition about it the night before?
July 5th, 2006 at 1:30 amJay – I’m glad you made it out alive! How frightful. I’m pretty short, so I know I would have freaked out being in a sea of people, scary!
July 5th, 2006 at 2:02 amStrange that the people came prepared with chairs, or blankets to sit on the gigantic lawn, and they had ice chests full of drinks, but most did not bring plastic rain parkas, umbrellas or at least rain hats? They actually stampeded to try to escape getting drenched, but got drenched fleeing to their cars anyways, so damn stupid that the crowd panicked! It could have been a disaster > I could see CNN announcing that a hundred people are trampled to death near Atlanta to escape getting wet > I will never get into the middle of a huge crowd of people again! They can act like a herd of spooked cattle!
July 5th, 2006 at 2:13 amAs I left the event the area was strewn with abandoned blankets, towels, chairs, ice chests, and trash everywhere > they will have to bring in a huge crew with dump trucks to haul the mess away! The fireworks display was fabulous, but NOT woth one’s life to see it!
July 5th, 2006 at 2:19 amNOT worth one’s life to see it!
July 5th, 2006 at 2:21 amI hate the post 9/11 world!
July 5th, 2006 at 2:32 amI even hate the pre-911 world where the Supreme Court gave Bush/Cheney the election.
July 5th, 2006 at 3:20 amN. Korea threatens U.S. with ‘nuclear war’
SEOUL, South Korea (AP) — North Korea would respond to a pre-emptive U.S. military attack with an “annihilating strike and a nuclear war,†the state-run media has said, heightening anti-U.S. rhetoric amid close scrutiny of its missile program.
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The White House has dismissed that threat as “hypothetical.†WELL NOT ANYMORE BUSHMONGER
July 5th, 2006 at 8:27 amAt least six ballistic missiles, including a long-range weapon capable of reaching US soil, were launched overnight.
There are claims in South Korea and Japan that at least one more missile has been fired this morning. Russian military sources suggested that as many as 10 rockets had already been fired.
ENJOY YOUR LAST INDEPENDENCE DAY EVER YEE HAA
July 5th, 2006 at 8:30 amThe Governor of our state, NM–needs to get his buds in North Korea on the phone and travel into NK and talk with them. He can and he has the diplomacy skills to help us out here.
Remember last year in October, Governor Richardson (D-NM) traveled to NK to speak with them and they–North Koreans–have made the trip to Santa Fe to speak with Richardson when Bush was refusing to talk with them. We need someone to engage in diplomacy with them NOW.
Richardson, if you want that Dem nod for Prez in ‘08–Now is the time to show America that you have what it takes. Bill Richardson is a former Congressman, Cabinet Secretary and Governor, you can do it for us. Bush will keep talking us into WWIII.
July 5th, 2006 at 9:11 amWasn’t this a hoax ?? TP should be more careful when labeling news
July 5th, 2006 at 9:45 amI even hate the pre-911 world where the Supreme Court gave Bush/Cheney the election.
Comment by Bingo !
I think we might all agree with that one, Bingo.
July 5th, 2006 at 10:06 amHow long until… W: “No one could have anticipated the build up of the North Korean missle program”
July 5th, 2006 at 10:25 amJay – Sorry I didn’t warn you. July 4th is the one day of the year guaranteed to rain here. It either ruins cook-outs in the afternoon, or fireworks at night. I can’t remember a July 4th when it didn’t rain sometime during the day.
Atlanta’s population has significantly outgrown its infrastructure. Partly why the traffic is so abysmal. But, as a rule of thumb, avoid any gathering the city hosts with the word ‘large’, or something to that effect, in the title – and one-time only holiday events. It’ll usually be a guaranteed nightmare that is rarely worth the effort to get there and leave.
The best fourth of July I can remember was in Washington DC. There are so many places there to see the show that it doesn’t seem to be as congested as places like Atlanta with one designated viewpoint.
July 5th, 2006 at 10:42 amI’m sure the White House will spin a laughable attempt by Kim Jong Il to get military attention into a panic and fear mongered fest.
I’m sure he’s pissed of Japan, China and Russia more than us. Let them do something about him. If they aren’t worried, then we sure as hell shouldn’t be. But, then again, one of my brothers and I got into a heated argument yesterday over whether or not degraded mustard gas is a Weapon of Mass Destruction… so, I’m sure there will be sheep just ready to cower in the corner over this botched effort by an incompetent little man with a Napoleon Complex to out do Napoleon himself…
July 5th, 2006 at 10:47 amMy most memorial 4th was when a neighbor blow off three fingers and the first joint of her thumb while waiting to toss an M80. Her first comment was: “Oh, my God, I ruined my manicure.”. She then fainted.
July 5th, 2006 at 11:56 amunbelievable > I intended to go to Stone Mountain park on the 3rd of July, instead of the 4th of July > the park does the super fireworks display for 4 nights > 1,2,3, and 4 of July! When I went on the 3rd taking my elderly parents, they said it looked too crowded (not), which compared to the 4th of July was at least about a half million people there! I knew it might rain, so I was prepared, but most of the families with kids were not, so they panicked and stampeded to their cars! It was a horror show > glad I was not crushed to death!
July 5th, 2006 at 1:16 pmBush is complete chicken when it comes to North Korea. they are 100 times the threat of Irans peacefull nuclear program – Come on – spin is unreal
July 5th, 2006 at 6:56 pmUNITED NATIONS – China and Russia resisted an attempt by the U.S., Japan, and Britain to impose sanctions against North Korea for its missile launches Wednesday, saying only diplomacy could halt the isolated regime’s nuclear and rocket development programs.
WHY DOES AMERICA INSIST ON THE ISOLATION TREATMENT WE ALL KNOW YOU SHOULD TALK TO THEM – instead your making it worse –
back a rat into a corner and it will jump at your throat – thats what your doing can nobody not see this
July 5th, 2006 at 6:59 pmDoodlebug.
There is no way their long range Taepodong-2 could reach the Continental United States.
The Taepodong-2 could, on a good day, assuming everything worked perfectly, and with the wind to its back, can reach just about 3000 Miles.
Well missles travel by air.
Air miles from Seoul to LA is about 5700.
Unless the Taepodong-2 is also a torpedo, its not hitting anything in California.
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