Folks, the right wing in America is nothing more than Moon’s unwitting tools. If you are not afraid to look you will see that in no uncertain terms. It’s the biggest and most untold news story going. The FACTS and history show this.

Get this, the Washington Times, Moon’s propaganda paper funded in no small part by money swindled from widows in Japan and created by a Moon who wants KOREA to be his sovereign nation and the center of the world, has us spending billions draining our treasury while he funded North Korea with billions.

Think about this folks. THINK ABOUT IT.

Read section 17 here:
http://cellwhitman.blogspot.com/2004/10/independent-washington-times.html

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Is there anything in this quote you don’t understand, any words?

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon3.html

By the mid-1980s, Moon’s Unification Church had carved out a niche as an acceptable part of the American right. In one speech to his followers, Moon boasted that “without knowing it, even President Reagan is being guided by Father (Moon).”Yet, Moon also made clear that his longer-range goal was the destruction of the U.S. Constitution and America’s democratic form of government. “History will make the position of Reverend Moon clear, and his enemies, the American population and government will bow down to him.” Moon said, speaking of himself in the third person. “That is Father’s tactic, the natural subjugation of the American government and population.”

Your democracy is going away, there is a reason for that.

I guess we the people could vote for our UN official. In America, most don’t really care as much about the UN as many think so electing our own official would only be of much importance to us political junkies.

As far as getting rid of the security council and weighting the vote based on population:

If we ever wanted to consider this, I would say that we first need to split the UN “fees” equally among every single country instead of making the US bare over 25% ourselves. I would also want the rest of the world to pay of back for the UN building and the ground just to be fair. Lastly, I would want every single country to share equally the cost of any program they vote in. If the UN wants to give billions to fight aids in Africa, split that cost among every single nation equally. If the UN wants to put a “UN Force” in a unstable country, then every single country in the UN has to send an equal number of troops.

So, I am all for making the UN equal and taking away the USA Veto power. I just want the UN to truly be Equal though, not a bunch of countries getting together to discuss how to spend US money and where to put US troops.

The first step is to elect people that are not rabidly nationalist. Thats good action right there.

What do you want UN elected reps to do? Sorry, just not sure what your trying to say.

Currently the UN ambassadors are simply appointed by governments. They should be directly elected by the people they are representing. You guys had John Bolton foisted on you, even conservatives where not thrilled with him. He would never have been elected, that is certain.

What would they do? Much the same as they do now I’m afraid, we’d need to get rid of the security council next, and have all such decisions taken the main UN chamber using population weighted votes. Don’t get me started on Vetoes. Sheese.

We can agree to disagree on if it is possible to actually get rid of 100% of the world’s nukes. I still cannot envision how that would ever take place. Again, I agree it would be a very very good thing, just don’t see it happening.

I am not sure what this means though. You quote:

“Thats the real scandal. We should demand a UN of elected representatives as a start.”

What do you want UN elected reps to do? Sorry, just not sure what your trying to say.

Ben I have cited plenty of examples of the very thing you are shaking your head atm happening. Every functioning nation state is an aggregation of previously autonomous regions. This cannot be denied, it’s just basic history.

Surely the obvious conclusion is that this aggregation will continue, especially with technology allowing an Irishman living in Sweden to lecture an American on global governance:-)

We can either work with it, or against it. Either way it’s going to happen eventually, in one form or another, heck it’s already happening, and the majority of global governance instruments are undemocratic. Thats the real scandal. We should demand a UN of elected representatives as a start.

You are confusing crime with war. There will always be crime,and I might add terrorism. Somalia is a microcosom of the world as it currently is, a lawless feudal system where might is right.
Developed world states do not accept gangs of armed thugs killing citizens at will. Yet it occurs internationally, because there are almost no laws that address it.

Let me quote Alexander Hamilton.

Government implies the power of making laws. It is essential to the idea of a law, that it be attended with a sanction; or, in other words, a penalty or punishment for disobedience. If there be no penalty annexed to disobedience, the resolutions or commands which pretend to be laws will, in fact, amount to nothing more than advice or recommendation. This penalty, whatever it may be, can only be inflicted in two ways: by the agency of the courts and ministers of justice, or by military force; by the COERCION of the magistracy, or by the COERCION of arms. The first kind can evidently apply only to men; the last kind must of necessity, be employed against bodies politic, or communities, or States.

It is evident that there is no process of a court by which the observance of the laws can, in the last resort, be enforced. Sentences may be denounced against them for violations of their duty; but these sentences can only be carried into execution by the sword. In an association where the general authority is confined to the collective bodies of the communities, that compose it, every breach of the laws must involve a state of war; and military execution must become the only instrument of civil obedience. Such a state of things can certainly not deserve the name of government, nor would any prudent man choose to commit his happiness to it.

He was so right.

Disarming even normal citizens doesn’t work. You need a permit to buy a handgun which is very difficult to get in many counties and impossible if you have ever had a felony. Sadly, the police find people every single day with illegal handguns. Sounds like the law isn’t working very good even at a local level. Now you want us to join hands with North Korea, Iran, and Pakistan and all agree to disarm? We all know they can’t be trusted. Funny enough, those countries would say the same thing about America. This all leads back to the fact that no one trusts anyone and no one will simply disarm. It will never happen.

So what your saying is that government programs fail because we don’t give them enough funding. At least you are admitting that the governments social programs are currently failures. Of course you want this missle program shut down because it has failed which is a fair point of view. The real question is, are you consistent? Should we shut down all the other failed government programs?

I’ll let you throw away the failed missle program if you let me throw away our failed Social Security Program. Drool! I could retire at least 4 years earlier if I didn’t get all that SS money taken out of my checks. I could properly invest it and actually have something to show for it come retirement time!! Furthermore, we could throw care to the wind about potential ICBM’s hitting the US and reduce the AF budget by 92 billion which could then be turned into a tax cut for us in middle america land. DROOL again!

I am glad we are seeing eye to eye on this. I am sorry I didn’t realize what you meant before. You are 100% correct. If a goverment program is a failure, SHUT IT DOWN ASAP!! Lets write to our congressmen together on this and beg them to get rid of all the failed programs, both social programs and military. Hell, I bet we could cut the Federal budget by 80%-90% really fast!

Thats probably what the english, welsh and scottish said, or the american states, or the German bundeslander or God help us the Europeans. Thats all turned on it’s head now, why not globally?

Roughly 60% of the planets citizens live under democratic regimes right now … why can’t we continue to push that envelope?

The real cloud cuckoo land is imagining that 5% of the planets population can wall themselves off from the other 95% for ever. Against this, my proposal is shining lucidity personified:-)

I am not suggesting a utopia where all live in harmony. I’m suggesting binding global law that outlaws these weapons, and eventually war.

If laws work in villages, towns, cities, counties, regions, nation states and supra-national regions like the EU, India and the US, why can’t they work globally? The answer to this question is of course, that they can. You just need to think bigger.

MrWonderful,

All I was saying is that since we have gone this far with Missle Defense, why not finish it. If they do finish it and it finally works, it would be a very important peice of our defense. To me, it seems that people like you are hoping they never get it to work. I ,for one, will never cheer against America trying to defend itself.

Ben, the problem is that we aren’t any closer to fielding an effect BMD after having spent $92 billion than we were before and the military is so embarrassed by its persistent failure that they refuse to acknowledge that it doesn’t work. How can we fix it if the military won’t admit that it’s a total boondoggle?

As far as profit taking and “evil” corporations:

We can all agree that some Corporations will lie for profit and that the government doesn’t spend our money wisely. Government has yet to have a program that isn’t a huge wasteful bueracracy. Why are you people so shocked everytime the government wastes money on defense? They waste money on failed social programs and pork all day. At least when it comes to defense programs, they are back to the scope of what our government was really put in place for.

Oh, so you don’t mind wasting money as long as it’s on programs with which you agree? Worse, you’re willing to accept the corruption in paying companies which have lied about their ability to deliver on the BMD program and in maintaining these programs in existence when they have shown tha t they can’t get fixed. I like your idea of morality – “Do what I say.”

Do you want to know why most social programs fail, Ben? They’re never funded at the levels required to make them work. They’re always working on a shoestring. That hasn’t been the case with this foolish BMD program Dubya and the possed foisted on the nation. They’ve poured tons of money into the program and liteally haven’t been able to get it off the ground (on at least the last test the interceptor didn’t even make it out of the silo). I would rather that we spendour money wisely, for whatever purpose it might be, and funding this dog fails that test.

Plus, do want to know another reason that this debacle fails the test. The AF is keeping it mostly to justify retirement slots for the AF generals managing the program with the contractors who won’t meet the program specs at the price they agreed to. The AF generals have a dog in this fight and, if you think we’re getting good value for the work that’s been done, I want to sell you a bridge in the New York area.

I’ll give you the “corporations lie for profit, that their governmental “representatives” (and future employees) lie on their behalf, and that at the highest, non-professional level in the Defense Department, it’s mainly about money?” argument when you admit that teacher’s unions have victimized our inner city school children, that Auto Unions and Steel Unions helped wave goodbye to a large segment of American munufacturing and that the typical SIEU member moves around his/her job with as much enthusiasm as a corpse in a funeral parlour…(See how a different perspective can put things in a new light???)

Comment by Ben — July 6, 2006 @ 3:12 pm

I agree and it unfortunate that so many resources go to devices designed to kill. Unfortunately, we’re still barbaric – only finding new and more efficient methods to kill each other. If these same resources were put into positive things, we – as a society – would be much better off. But, you’re right, it is probably human nature.