BREAKING: Novak Outs Former CIA Spokesman As ‘Confirming’ Source On Plame
BREAKING: Novak Outs Former CIA Spokesman As ‘Confirming’ Source On Plame
Tonight on MSNBC’s Hardball, Chris Matthews revealed that Bob Novak’s “confirming” source for Valerie Plame’s undercover CIA identity was former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow. Watch it:
Transcript:
CHRIS MATTHEWS: Bob Novak’s going to go on television tomorrow and give away one of the sources in the infamous Valerie Plame leak story. It’s going to be Bill Harlow, the spokesman for the CIA all those years. He’s going to identify him as one of his sources, apparently the other source is still maintaining his deep background sourcing role here. … Bob Novak’s office has just now confirmed to Hardball that his confirming source — that’s the one that said, “So you heard,” and backed up the initial source — in learning about Valerie Plame’s identity with the CIA, her undercover identity, was Bill Harlow, the former CIA Public Information Officer. Bill Harlow himself hasn’t commented so far.
Recall, Bill Harlow was the former CIA spokesman who repeatedly urged Novak that he was not to use Plame’s identity. From the Washington Post, 7/27/05:
Harlow, the former CIA spokesman, said in an interview yesterday that he testified last year before a grand jury about conversations he had with Novak at least three days before the column was published. He said he warned Novak, in the strongest terms he was permitted to use without revealing classified information, that Wilson’s wife had not authorized the mission and that if he did write about it, her name should not be revealed.
Harlow said that after Novak’s call, he checked Plame’s status and confirmed that she was an undercover operative. He said he called Novak back to repeat that the story Novak had related to him was wrong and that Plame’s name should not be used.
There has always been tension between Harlow’s and Novak’s accounts. Novak has claimed that while Harlow asked him not to publish the name, Harlow “never suggested to [Novak] that Wilson’s wife or anybody else would be endangered.” (But Novak did acknowledge Harlow told him that Plame’s outing would cause “difficulties.”) Novak wrote, “If he had, I would not have used her name.”
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That’s because Valerie’s maiden name was easily found in Who’s Who and also if you searched Google for “Joseph Wilson wife” at any time before Novak’s article, which would have brought you to Wilson’s biography on numerous websites where it stated that Valerie Plame was his wife.
Her name was never a secret, so there was no reason for Novak not to publish it.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:23 pmNovak’s one of the biggest assholes walking the earth. Period.
Seixon - the point is that it was a secret she worked for the CIA, no?
July 11th, 2006 at 6:29 pmhey if the NY times can report on secrets why can’t Novak ? or is it only liberals that can publish secrests that harm Bush?
July 11th, 2006 at 6:32 pmplease prove your hypocrisy below………
The plot thickens, but the as we all know one man is responsible and should be held accountable
Darth Chenney
July 11th, 2006 at 6:35 pmDrSinker,
Seixon - the point is that it was a secret she worked for the CIA, no?
Exactly. The press has completely blown this and focused on her name, which is a non-issue. Yet as to the notion that it was a secret that she worked at the CIA, the Libby defense seems to have 5 people who will testify under oath that Wilson himself told them that his wife was CIA. There are indictations that Plame herself was a confirming source for the Kristof article that Wilson was a source for back in May 2003. There is speculation that Judy Miller knew about Plame from before she talked to anyone in the administration, which isn’t odd since Kristof worked at the New York Times with her.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:36 pmBill Gant,
Yeah, now all you need is some actual evidence! Apparently Fitzgerald has none. You aren’t as easily dissuaded it seems. You’ve been Leopolded.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:37 pmHarlow’s a real fumb duck if he thought mentioning Wilson’s wife’s name would count as revealing a covert agent’s identity but that the term “Wilson’s wife” wouldn’t. Asinine.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:40 pmYet as to the notion that it was a secret that she worked at the CIA, the Libby defense seems to have 5 people who will testify under oath that Wilson himself told them that his wife was CIA.-Seixon
I’m willing to believe that Joe Wilson could have whispered to someone at a cocktail party that his wife worked for the CIA. But there’s a difference between that and revealing her as a NOC to the entire world in a newspaper article.
Let’s assume you’re right- that everyone could find out the name of Wilson’s wife. If Novak’s source at CIA told him: 1) she didn’t make the decision to send him to Iraq; and 2) not to use her name at all, that Novak’s column was incredibly irresponsible?
Novak fans miss the point that he clearly gave all his sources up in the grand jury as well. That’s why he wasn’t locked up like Miller.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:45 pmHer name was never a secret, so there was no reason for Novak not to publish it.
He asked her not too. Isn’t that enough?
But Seixon I could also google about and find stuff on the ’secret’ non secret banking program, which they were ‘asked’ not to print, yet they did.
I see no difference in the two.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:47 pmNovak and the Times are both Traitors then seixon?
From Kristof’s May 6, 2003 article:
There were only 4 people present at Wilson’s debriefing at the Wilson home: Joe, Valerie, and two CIA case officers. Anyone want to guess who the source for this claim was? Was it Valerie, using her maiden name to confuse Kristof as to the fact that she was married to Wilson?
July 11th, 2006 at 6:48 pmIf her identity and role weren’t a big secret (which it very well may not be — to be honest, I haven’t followed this thing as closely as some), why would Libby have lied under oath when discussing it to the grand jury? Why would there have been an investigation?
Seriously …
July 11th, 2006 at 6:49 pmDrSinker,
Giving Plame’s name didn’t matter as long as he said anything close to “Wilson’s wife” because then anyone would have been able to look up Wilson’s wife on the internet or in Who’s Who and found out her name anyways. In other words, like Canuck said, for Harlow to make a deal about her name was completely stupid. He should have told Novak not to say anything about Valerie.
Novak fans miss the point that he clearly gave all his sources up in the grand jury as well. That’s why he wasn’t locked up like Miller.
I think that’s been pretty obvious for a long, long time. ;)
Cool Breeze,
You could not have Googled to find out that they were using the SWIFT network to monitor transactions, so that’s not the same at all. Novak was never told not to publish anything about Plame, he was told not to use her name, which was, as Canuck said, asinine.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:53 pmHe’s at it again. Seixon is highjacking and monopolizing the thread because people are answering him.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:55 pmThere were only 4 people present at Wilson’s debriefing at the Wilson home: Joe, Valerie, and two CIA case officers. Anyone want to guess who the source for this claim was? Was it Valerie, using her maiden name to confuse Kristof as to the fact that she was married to Wilson?
Something is fishy.
here’s my speculation;
Novak knew a name, [WH?] and went fishing because he had a hunch, someone put a bug in his ear, so he contacted this case officer, and guessed, a good guess. The agent reacted.
A bite.
The agent called back and said not to use the name.
[confirmation of the rumour]
Novak played the agent, and this return call, from the agent confirmed what he already knew, that plame was an agent, and he ran with it…knowing that he could not be held accountable for the ‘leak’ Very Clever!
July 11th, 2006 at 6:56 pmUnholy Moses,
Don’t ascribe to malice what you can ascribe to incompetence. ;)
July 11th, 2006 at 6:56 pmhere is an excerpt from a draft censure motion that i drafted and gave to russ feingold…
i hope that the rational folks that read this site will find it helpful in understanding that the law was violated ONCE AGAIN by the bush crime family.
and, no, i am not going to waste a second more of my time and try and correct the norwegian’s bullshit/non-legal/nonsensical ‘yes, but…’ spamming filth that everyone lets control these threads, to everyone’s detriment.
however, i will entertain any good questions or comments and will clarify the issue to the best of my abilities to people with a brain…
this is the law, these are the relevant quotes from the legislative history. this is an argument…
July 11th, 2006 at 6:58 pmIt seems Plame’s role was a more-or-less big secret until Novak’s still-unnamed source revealed it, and Harlow confirmed, then attempted to unconfirm, it.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:59 pmyou could not have Googled to find out that they were using the SWIFT network to monitor transactions
didn’t have too. Patents and Darpa and finance committe transcripts….it’s a no brianer.
July 11th, 2006 at 6:59 pmCool Breeze,
Yes, that would be fairly standard investigative journalism… You have some information, want to get it confirmed from more sources, so you either feign ignorance or purposely mess up on a detail and try to get someone else to confirm it for you. Some people speculated that Judy Miller wrote down “Valerie Flame” and “Victoria Wilson” in her notes to try and get someone to correct her - to get a confirmation.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:01 pmbenedict arnold and charles lee. for those that don’t know traitors when you see one.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:03 pmseems like we have a pair to match with the subject of this post.
treason is an ugly word, but it applies to most of our government today, just read the law
Yes, that would be fairly standard investigative journalism… You have some information, want to get it confirmed from more sources, so you either feign ignorance or purposely mess up on a detail and try to get someone else to confirm it for you.
Kinda like you do here? lol =)
July 11th, 2006 at 7:04 pmRisser,
Try me. I’m having a good debate with everyone else here. Fitzgerald hasn’t pursued any charges along the lines you are talking about for a very good reason - there is no evidence to support those charges. All the journalists involved with this mess have said that there was no crime committed. Of course, we could just believe you instead of those actually involved. Either that or we could go read Jason Leopold and believe everything he says. Or maybe not.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:05 pmSeixon:
“Don’t ascribe to malice what you can ascribe to incompetence.”
Funny. That used to be my perception of people who thought the White House rigged the WMD intelligence.
Of course, now that they did deliberately rig a lot of it, though I think they sincerly believed they would find something that they could use to justify the invasion. Which is why they were so mad at Wilson and worked so hard to discredit him.
I was wrong in thinking it was just incompetence — the false WMD intelligence was a result of BOTH malice AND incompetence by the Bush adminstration.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:07 pm[…] There has always been tension between Harlow’s and Novak’s accounts. Novak has claimed that while Harlow asked him not to publish the name, Harlow “never suggested to [Novak] that Wilson’s wife or anybody else would be endangered.†(But Novak did acknowledge Harlow told him that Plame’s outing would cause “difficulties.â€) Novak wrote, “If he had, I would not have used her name.†[SOURCE: thinkprogress.org] […]
July 11th, 2006 at 7:08 pmso sexion the net rumour mill says that you are really dick cheney..can you comment?
July 11th, 2006 at 7:09 pm[…] In an op-ed on Human Events Online, Novak writes that Fitzgerald has cleared him and that “frees me to reveal my role in the federal inquiry.†But Novak fails to “reveal all,†as he earlier pledged, in at least two respects. 1. Novak refuses to identify his primary administration source who revealed to him that Valerie Plame worked at the CIA as an undercover agent. He confirms Karl Rove was his second senior administration source, and that CIA official Bill Harlow served as a confirming source. But Novak writes his primary source’s name “has not yet been revealed†and “has not come forward to identify himself.†[…]
July 11th, 2006 at 7:09 pm# 16, James Risser;
Thanks for that thread busting pile o’ shit.I’ll check it out later.Much later.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:09 pmEither that or we could go read Jason Leopold and believe everything he says. Or maybe not.
Comment by Seixon
ya know that just might really be rove
Kewl, lmao, Oh man, what a day!
I need a drink!
OY!
July 11th, 2006 at 7:15 pmSexion,
It was Scooter Libby who said he was authorized by Cheney to leak the information. It was all over the news just a few weeks ago.
Where were you ?
July 11th, 2006 at 7:15 pm#23 - How about “deliberate incompetence”, or “malicious incompetence”, or “Feith-based intelligence”.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:16 pmmarie - i agree - do you have kids? doesn’t matter…
it’s like arguing with a TWO YEAR OLD !!!
July 11th, 2006 at 7:21 pmyou don’t argue with TWO YEAR OLDs
or BRICK WALLS !!!
Bill Gant,
Oh boy. Go read the news again. Carefully. What you think is “the information” has nothing to do with Plame. Bait and switch. Libby was authorized to go out with information from the NIE.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:21 pmGeorge W. Bush is not a covert CIA operative.
George W. Bush is breaking the law.
Valerie Plame was investigating Irans nuclear capabilities.
We needed the information that Valerie Plame was gathering.
We don’t need George W. Bush spying on US citizen.
It is all relatively easy for people that aren’t stupid, like yourself.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:22 pmCheney, Libby, Rove and Novak are going to pay up. Maybe they won’t be indicted or convicted, but Valerie Plame’s career was ruined and the Wilson’s will file a civil suit. Bush supporters: is there any difference between Bush standing there and asking for help in figuring out who leaked Plames name and OJ standing on the courthouse steps asking for help to find the real killers?
July 11th, 2006 at 7:23 pm#34
you mean this list of lies?
July 11th, 2006 at 7:28 pmRove was fired in mid-campaign for leaking information to the press. [1980]
Ohhh Karl..Tsk Tsk
July 11th, 2006 at 7:28 pmRISSER HAS IT RIGHT
It was Bush himself who ordered that the information that Valerie Plame was a CIA agent be leaked out, even though Bushco knew she was a NOC.
He ordered the leak, and Cheney and Libby carried it out.
I dont know what idiot Seixon keeps on harping about, he knows nothing about this deal, as can be evidenced by his hilarious posting herein.He lets his fingers do the walking while his brain lies idle. What a waste!
July 11th, 2006 at 7:30 pm#38
thank you.
but, what makes you think not knowing anything about a subject would ever quiet the norwegian????
he thrives on his ignorance and arrogance…it is his oxygen!
July 11th, 2006 at 7:33 pmSpudge_Boy,
Valerie Plame was investigating Irans nuclear capabilities.
Sure, if you believe David Shuster, the only one to claim this…
Bluedog49,
Maybe they won’t be indicted or convicted, but Valerie Plame’s career was ruined and the Wilson’s will file a civil suit.
Trust me, the Wilson’s will not be filing a civil suit. The Wilsons have far too much to lose by going to trial and having to testify about anything at all.
Rebel,
It was Bush himself who ordered that the information that Valerie Plame was a CIA agent be leaked out, even though Bushco knew she was a NOC.
He ordered the leak, and Cheney and Libby carried it out.
Unfortunately neither you nor Fitzgerald has any evidence or proof of any of this.
I dont know what idiot Seixon keeps on harping about, he knows nothing about this deal, as can be evidenced by his hilarious posting herein.
Trust me, I’m going to have the last laugh. You have no clue what’s going on, as you have so aptly shown.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:34 pmRisser,
You can keep calling me names, but it doesn’t change the facts which I have written here. Only you and Rebel seem to be having a cow, the rest of the folks, such as DrSinker, are displaying a more mature and reasoned approach to this subject. Everything you have said is not supported by the facts, most specifically the fact that Fitzgerald has not charged anyone with anything you are talking about.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:37 pmKarl Rove is a Norwegian-American. According to Bob Woodward’s recent book, Rove is obsessed with the “historical duplicity” of the Swedes, who seized Norway back in 1814.
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It wasn’t always called SWIFT seixonl, it started out being called siftware, S*i*ftware (data mining tools), and a wealth of other information on Data Mining … Nicholas Negroponte, MIT Media Lab
SIFT/ SWIFT/ TIPS.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:45 pmWhy was ANYONE in the White House talking about Wilson’s wife for ANY reason? Whatever the reason, it was worthy of Scooter’s perjury, indictment, and resignation and five Rove trips to the grand jury. I am wondering if Rove’s visits to the grand jury were to screw over Libby or Cheney? A loyal lot those neocons.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:45 pmFor goodness sakes Seixon, it was all over the news about two weeks ago that Bush had ORDERED the leak on Plame.
Dont you know how to read?
July 11th, 2006 at 7:47 pmSEIXON
Pray tell me, please, please. Why is it that the Wilsons will not file a law suit. They have far too much to lose by doing this you say.
Just what do they have to lose? In my opinion nothing, but they sure will gain a lot. Proving Bush and company liars is one of the things that will be in their favor.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:55 pmAbove the Clouds,
Why was ANYONE in the White House talking about Wilson’s wife for ANY reason?
Maybe because Joe Wilson was lying to the New York Times and the Washington Post about the role of Cheney’s office and the State Department in his mission to Niger? Which resulted in the INR giving a memo to the White House explaining who the anonymous leaker was and all about his mission and the fact that he was in fact lying about it? Try to read something other than the liberal propaganda, you might learn something.
Rebel,
For goodness sakes Seixon, it was all over the news about two weeks ago that Bush had ORDERED the leak on Plame.
Dont you know how to read?
Yes, I do know how to read, and obviously you do not. Go back and read the news stories about this. Now, please quote me any section that says that Bush ordered the leaking of Valerie Plame’s occupation. Thanks.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:55 pmRebel,
Pray tell me, please, please. Why is it that the Wilsons will not file a law suit. They have far too much to lose by doing this you say.
Wilson lied to the New York Times and the Washington Post, and there are indications that his wife helped him to so by confirming things to the reporters without letting on that she was Wilson’s wife. After that, the Wilsons have been deeply involved with a group called Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, including Ray McGovern and Larry Johnson, who have been feeding complete bullshit to Jason Leopold for months. The prospect of having Valerie Plame on the stand to explain her role in everything is not a good one for the Wilsons.
Just what do they have to lose? In my opinion nothing, but they sure will gain a lot. Proving Bush and company liars is one of the things that will be in their favor.
Yeah, but they can’t, because they were the ones who started this whole mess by lying to the New York Times and the Washington Post in their anonymous leaks.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:59 pmSeixon,
Don’t ever try and tell us you aren’t a partisan Rove employee. You have proved it 100% in this thread. George.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:03 pmIt’s all coming together for me now–since Cheney’s office didn’t authorize the “junket” to Niger, the findings are false? Libby, Cheney’s Chief of Staff, was willing to perjure himself for this?
July 11th, 2006 at 8:10 pmSpudge_Boy,
Poor guy, can’t deal with the truth so you lie about me. Whatever, John.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:12 pmnovak and company have had three years to concoct this scenarino. is that enough time to cover a few asses? unbelievable, to say the least. sham, big time. and there are a lot of takers..
July 11th, 2006 at 8:13 pmhe thrives on his ignorance and arrogance…it is his oxygen!
Comment by james risser — July 11, 2006 @ 7:33 pm
mostly he thrives on the attention…
July 11th, 2006 at 8:13 pmi say starve it…
Above the Clouds,
You are presuming guilt.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:15 pmSeixon is a bush rove partisan hack for sure..
What threw me off at first was the norwegian thing…why would a right winger be for a welfare state such as Norway?
My own hunch is that this is another example of anti-Swedish feeling in right wing US circles where for some reason Sweden serves as sort of a proxy for the Scandinavian welfare state that the US right wing hates a lot.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:17 pmtheswan,
novak and company have had three years to concoct this scenarino. is that enough time to cover a few asses? unbelievable, to say the least. sham, big time. and there are a lot of takers..
Except for the prickly little fact that Novak testified about all of this to the FBI, Fitzgerald, and the grand jury over 2 years ago… As did administration officials, Rove, and everyone else.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:17 pmCool Breeze,
Was that even supposed to make sense? LMAO
July 11th, 2006 at 8:19 pmCool Breeze,was that even supposed to make sense?
O I think you get the drift~~~
July 11th, 2006 at 8:24 pmLet me be blunt. I think Seixon is a complete idiot. But other idiots post here too, and I think it should be so. Let everyone have a turn. But my complaint is not about this cretin’s mindless drivel. It is about his pathologically dishonest rhetorical tactics. In my view Seixon posts in bad faith, and is basically vandalizing TP. So I have a proposal for dealing with this jerk. I am reluctant to advocate that he be kicked off of ThinkProgress entirely. So perhaps he can get his own thread, where he can post on any subject he likes. It will be the permanent Seixon thread. Anyone who wants to argue with the imbecile will be free to post on his dedicated thread, but he will not be allowed to drag down every other thread at TP. Anyone else want to second this idea? I am open to other ideas.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:28 pm#58
I SECOND THAT!
his page could have a yellow police-tape around its edges just so new people know what to expect.
what you say is exactly correct, rs.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:35 pmand perhaps his bitch michelle malkin could be a mirror site or host it entirely! this way he could fish in both pools: the intelligent progressives, and the cesspool of venomous, ignorant, aroogant trolls of the right!
bravo!!!
July 11th, 2006 at 8:37 pmRealScientist,
Tim Lambert, is that you?
July 11th, 2006 at 8:42 pmwait a minute! wait a minute!!!!!
he’s GOT his own damn page !!!
he’s got his own damn blog!!!
no one wants to play with him there so he comes here to make trouble and get attention…
it’s perfectly logical to set the record straight, for truth’s sake, but the constant back-and-forth trying to sway the nut is annoying, at best… a one time statement of point should suffice…
July 11th, 2006 at 8:44 pmthat’s all i’m sayin’…
the thing is katy, that he is the dog-turd floating in the swimming pool. people look at it, wonder why it is there, try to get it out without having to smell it…
people look at turds in swimming pools; we just have to convince them to not play with it so much….
July 11th, 2006 at 8:47 pmkaty,
Wow, you didn’t know that until now? Where ya been? I come here to challenge the gray cells so that I don’t end up a brainwashed moonbat like many are here… You see, I seek out opposing views. I don’t sit in my own little bubble telling myself how right I am like most of you.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:49 pmI’m sorry, but have all of you really gone nuts? Novak didn’t get in trouble for naming Plame, or for writing that she was Wilson’s wife–He published that she was an undercover CIA agent! That’s not information found in the Who’s Who.
Sometimes I think all semblance of intellectual thought has died in this country.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:51 pmreal,
how can we implement the proposal…. this is so very well said:
But my complaint is not about this cretin’s mindless drivel. It is about his pathologically dishonest rhetorical tactics. In my view Seixon posts in bad faith, and is basically vandalizing TP.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:52 pm#60 Tim Lambert, is that you?
No, but Tim seems like a good guy.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:58 pmDave,
Welcome to the club. I have been moaning about the media and the Left’s complete ignorance of what the real issue has been in this case for a long, long time.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:09 pmHey rightwing holocaust deniers. WHO’s WHO did not say that Plame was covert or worked for the CIA. Novak did and someone leaked that to him you stupid imbeciles.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:13 pm- Seixon:
You’re all witness to the meltdown of some very immoral unethical people at Think Progress.
I can vouch for that…I watch you melt down nearly every day. ^_^
July 11th, 2006 at 9:27 pmTypical of Monkeys. Caged.
Get out some time, go over to Talk Left, they’re sounding alot like Seixon as to the facts. Facts are progressive you know. How can you all “Progress” when you have no direction?
And you need to add Who’s Who, Harlow and an “un-named non-political gunslinger,”
July 11th, 2006 at 9:32 pm(name of Arbitrage, Arbugast, Armagate or something) to your 23 admin. officials List.
John, you’re terrible at this stuff…..You’re done, give it up. Also, be sure to tell Larry that we said “Hi.”
July 11th, 2006 at 9:47 pmYeah, you have nothing but anger at being wrong. Ann Coulter was right!!!
July 11th, 2006 at 9:52 pmJohn, what’s your Media Center PC good for? If you guessed watching the all-star game while posting here at TP you would be right at the same time you’d be right.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:57 pmI think the Sexions of the world are right in their own little technical details kind of way. But, just to say that the White House, specifically the VP’s office, was just responding to a critic is a little misleading. Tell me Valerie Wilson didn’t know what pressure and actions the Vp’s team was exerting on the CIA in the lead up to the War? I think she used Joe’s trip to Niger as a way to force the VP’s hand and basically dare him to expose her AND her Cover Company Brewster Jennings because she was flushing them out on their abrogating activities at the agency. Motive folks, why would the Vp risk the total outing of one specific CIA operation, especially the one that just happened to be working on WMD proliferation regarding IRAN? What was so precious to them that had to gut a vital, IMHO, working operation of such relative significance. One more point, you don’t think Bill Harlow was having discussions with his superiors when Novak contacted him the first time? I think someone at the CIA just let the VP and his boys hang themselves by letting Novak run with it.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:04 pm- Seixon:
You drop the act. You know damned well that my comment was focused upon you being immoral and unethical, as you’ve demonstrated countless times here. This situation is a prime example, as you’ve seized upon it to a) accuse me of something I did not do (again), and b) attempt to spread the rumor that I am the one publishing your personal info.
Seixon, I really don’t give a damn about your RL identity. Got it? I really don’t know how to make this any clearer….you simply aren’t worth that much attention.
(By the way, don’t you think I would have chosen a less obvious pseudonym than ‘monkey’? Think about it (don’t strain yourself).
July 11th, 2006 at 10:29 pmThis thread is about Novak and Valarie Plame. It’s not about individual commenters on this site. If people want to have personal discussions, please do so elsewhere. If you want to talk about the topic at hand, please post here.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:30 pm- Judd:
I apologize for the off-topic posts, but I’m simply would not sit around and let Seixon spread lies about me, especially about something this serious.
It’s one thing for him to lie in the normal course of events here, but it’s quite another to accuse me personally of immoral and illegal behavior. I believe I was within my rights to defend myself.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:35 pm50+ of Valerie Plame’s contcts overseas were killed upon Novak’s treasonous publication.
Your punch bowl truly has a large Seixon floating around.
July 12th, 2006 at 12:31 am#77 Monkey. Dont bother with Seixon. He bores even the other trolls.
July 12th, 2006 at 12:51 amFrom the Libby indictment -
d. The responsibilities of certain CIA employees required that their association
with the CIA be kept secret; as a result, the fact that these individuals were employed bythe CIA was classified. Disclosure of the fact that such individuals were employed by the CIA had the potential to damage the national security in ways that ranged from preventing the future use of those individuals in a covert capacity,to compromising intelligence-gathering methodsandoperations, and endangering the safety of CIA employees and those who dealt with them. Page 2
e. Joseph Wilson (“Wilsonâ€) was a former career State Department official who
hadhelda variety of posts, includingUnitedStatesAmbassador. In2002,afteraninquirytotheCIA bythe Vice President concerningcertain intelligence reporting, the CIA decided on its own initiative to send Wilson to the country of Niger to investigate allegations involving Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium yellowcake, a processed form of uranium ore. Wilson orally reported his findings to the CIA upon his return.
( note that this contradicts the right-wing meme that Mr’ Wilson’s wife sent him to Niger)
f. Joseph Wilson was married to Valerie Plame Wilson (“Valerie Wilsonâ€). At
July 12th, 2006 at 2:03 amall relevant times from January 1, 2002 through July 2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and her employment status was classified. Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson’s affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community.
( her status was “classified”. People, like her neighbors knew her name, they did not know of her employment with the CIA or her staus there. Those that have tried to make the case otherwise are liars, pure and simple.)
Yeah you do, or you wouldn’t have your own blog, just like most of us. Hypocrite. Besides, you’re famous. Anybody can Google your screen name, Seixon and discover your identity. You are famous after all.
SHoot, you have even blogged about me. How special. In a creepy kind of way.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:24 amThis is how they begin going after the CIA employees who are upholding American principles and “undermining the president’s policies” - illegal and anti-American policies. Start making accusations and then round them up on conspiracy and breach of national security charges.
No one should take anything at face value anymore. I wage my life this guy is innocent and that Novak is going to start setting people up to fall.
July 12th, 2006 at 10:27 amHey rightwing holocaust deniers. WHO’s WHO did not say that Plame was covert or worked for the CIA. Novak did and someone leaked that to him you stupid imbeciles.
Comment by monkey — July 11, 2006 @ 9:13 pm
uh….dude…i dont think the spec prosec said that either. noone has been (or appears that they will be) endicted. so one of 2 things has to be true:
1) the spec prosec has done a crappy job OR
2) she was not covert.
so which is it?? come on. i have been waiting for your kooks to turn on fitzgerald. he better get somebody to start his car for a while…..
July 12th, 2006 at 2:31 pmThe CIA felt strongly enough that a crime was committed to refer it to the Justice Department for investigation. Upon further investigation the Justice Department determined that enough information existed to warrant the selection of a special prosecuter and that a crime had been permitted. To continue to pursue the idea that Plame was not covert, that she personally chose Wilson for the Niger trip, and that CIA activities had to adapt to her being named is disingenous at best, bordering on extreme stupidity and ignorance at worst. To imply Wilson’s outing of his own wife obviously lacks any evidence as has been discovered by the special prosecuter. It is all ready widely known that Cheney was/is the quilty party here and Bush may have instructed Cheney to out Plame. Fitzgerald continues an excellent investigation and due to the nature of the case (that the vice-president and president may be up to their respective eyeballs in it) shows great resolve and patience as he gradually shifts the magnifying glass onto these two lying traitors.
July 12th, 2006 at 2:34 pmSo America would have us believe that the CIA, the Justice Department, and the special prosecuter Fitzgerald are all halucinating and that America is blessed with information that basically renders their investigation, the money spent, the facts obtained, and the information gathered as a total waste of time. It must be great to be that deluded. Must be some great acid. And then to further the arguement somehow he must drag Wilson thru the dirt. Funny how the right’s case (or lack thereeof) is centered on Swiftboating Wilson. In their own way by continuing to dirtbag Wilson they prove the case for Fitzgerald. They can’t stop doing it. The prove their desire to do whatever it takes to denigrade Wilson and his wife, the CIA, the Justice Department, Fitzgerald to shift anyone’s actual consideration away from the simple fact that yellowcake was not sold to Iraq, was not attempted to being sold at the time, and that AwolBush and his administration lied about it. They must slime anyone that might indicate the lies rather that focus on the yellowcake lies themselves. The extent that they are willing to do this is indicative of the nature of their discomfort with factual information and history regarding yellowcake. Was extensive levels of yellowcake ever found in Iraq? Was there ever proof that Niger sold yellowcake to Iraq? The CIA could never find this proof. So then the lies must be covered by smearing Wilson and Plame. Wow, what patriots.
July 12th, 2006 at 3:16 pmFurthermore, America-great name for a traitor, indicates without any proof offered whatsoever that Wilson lied regarding his findings in Niger. America was not in the room when Wilson was deposed upon his return from Niger but all CIA information indicates that Wilson said that he could find no proof of Iraqi attempts to purchase yellowcake. Unfortunately this is all old news now and later indications (the largest being that yellowcake purchased from Niger was never found after the US’s invasion of Iraq) should be adequate proof that a Niger/Iraq yellowcake deal never happened or was even extensively worked on but also to cover this information the right wing is still willing to twist the truth of these unfortunate (to them) facts to question Wilson’s authenticity and out his wife. If they were half as interested in factual relevant information regarding yellowcake as they were of producing lies regarding Wilson and Plame then perhaps they could regain some sense of overall truthfulness. America’s posts above indicate that they still cannot be trusted to tell the truth.
July 12th, 2006 at 4:21 pmHey America, write a book on your own time and space this is a blog, but thanks for cracking the case, Who knew that all along it was a conspiracy by Wilson and his wife to make Bush look bad. I’ll bet there were really WMD.S and bin laden was hiding in Iraq. them dirty communist, socialist, yellow, leftist, freedom hating, American hating liberals will stop at nothing to avoid going to war. Now let’s nuke Iran, N. Korea and the rest of the islamic devil worshiping world, so that we can keep America safe from terrorist. AND REMEMBER: once this is done, TO THE OVENS WITH ALL LIBERALS
July 12th, 2006 at 10:08 pmJoe Wilson told Don Imus in a October 2003 interview that the printing of Val’s name didn’t cause them any fear or put their lives were in danger. TP libs have been debunked by Joe Wilson himself.
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August 18th, 2006 at 3:11 pminternet fly fishing
Very interesting post. A little bit confusing, but still ok.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:15 pm