Comments on: BREAKING: Novak Outs Former CIA Spokesman As ‘Confirming’ Source On Plame http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 02:46:17 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: internet fly fishing http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-4740546 internet fly fishing Sat, 05 Apr 2008 01:15:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-4740546 <strong>internet fly fishing</strong> Very interesting post. A little bit confusing, but still ok. internet fly fishing

Very interesting post. A little bit confusing, but still ok.

]]> By: New Media Blog » Marine Names Murtha in Defamation Suit http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-738618 New Media Blog » Marine Names Murtha in Defamation Suit Fri, 18 Aug 2006 19:11:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-738618 [...]  [UPDATE (James Joyner): David Shuster and Chris Matthews talk about it on yesterday’s edition of Hardball. John Amato and Think Progress have the video.] [...] [...]  [UPDATE (James Joyner): David Shuster and Chris Matthews talk about it on yesterday’s edition of Hardball. John Amato and Think Progress have the video.] [...]

]]> By: New Media Blog » Bob Novak Speaks On Plamegate http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-727999 New Media Blog » Bob Novak Speaks On Plamegate Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:54:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-727999 [...] [UPDATE (James Joyner): David Shuster and Chris Matthews talk about it on yesterday’s edition of Hardball. John Amato and Think Progress have the video.] [...] [...] [UPDATE (James Joyner): David Shuster and Chris Matthews talk about it on yesterday’s edition of Hardball. John Amato and Think Progress have the video.] [...]

]]> By: Shimmy Plop http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-669088 Shimmy Plop Thu, 13 Jul 2006 04:00:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-669088 Joe Wilson told Don Imus in a October 2003 interview that the printing of Val's name didn't cause them any fear or put their lives were in danger. TP libs have been debunked by Joe Wilson himself. Joe Wilson told Don Imus in a October 2003 interview that the printing of Val’s name didn’t cause them any fear or put their lives were in danger. TP libs have been debunked by Joe Wilson himself.

]]> By: phillyfan http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-668994 phillyfan Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:08:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-668994 Hey America, write a book on your own time and space this is a blog, but thanks for cracking the case, Who knew that all along it was a conspiracy by Wilson and his wife to make Bush look bad. I'll bet there were really WMD.S and bin laden was hiding in Iraq. them dirty communist, socialist, yellow, leftist, freedom hating, American hating liberals will stop at nothing to avoid going to war. Now let's nuke Iran, N. Korea and the rest of the islamic devil worshiping world, so that we can keep America safe from terrorist. AND REMEMBER: once this is done, TO THE OVENS WITH ALL LIBERALS Hey America, write a book on your own time and space this is a blog, but thanks for cracking the case, Who knew that all along it was a conspiracy by Wilson and his wife to make Bush look bad. I’ll bet there were really WMD.S and bin laden was hiding in Iraq. them dirty communist, socialist, yellow, leftist, freedom hating, American hating liberals will stop at nothing to avoid going to war. Now let’s nuke Iran, N. Korea and the rest of the islamic devil worshiping world, so that we can keep America safe from terrorist. AND REMEMBER: once this is done, TO THE OVENS WITH ALL LIBERALS

]]> By: awollovesosama http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-668536 awollovesosama Wed, 12 Jul 2006 20:21:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-668536 Furthermore, America-great name for a traitor, indicates without any proof offered whatsoever that Wilson lied regarding his findings in Niger. America was not in the room when Wilson was deposed upon his return from Niger but all CIA information indicates that Wilson said that he could find no proof of Iraqi attempts to purchase yellowcake. Unfortunately this is all old news now and later indications (the largest being that yellowcake purchased from Niger was never found after the US's invasion of Iraq) should be adequate proof that a Niger/Iraq yellowcake deal never happened or was even extensively worked on but also to cover this information the right wing is still willing to twist the truth of these unfortunate (to them) facts to question Wilson's authenticity and out his wife. If they were half as interested in factual relevant information regarding yellowcake as they were of producing lies regarding Wilson and Plame then perhaps they could regain some sense of overall truthfulness. America's posts above indicate that they still cannot be trusted to tell the truth. Furthermore, America-great name for a traitor, indicates without any proof offered whatsoever that Wilson lied regarding his findings in Niger. America was not in the room when Wilson was deposed upon his return from Niger but all CIA information indicates that Wilson said that he could find no proof of Iraqi attempts to purchase yellowcake. Unfortunately this is all old news now and later indications (the largest being that yellowcake purchased from Niger was never found after the US’s invasion of Iraq) should be adequate proof that a Niger/Iraq yellowcake deal never happened or was even extensively worked on but also to cover this information the right wing is still willing to twist the truth of these unfortunate (to them) facts to question Wilson’s authenticity and out his wife. If they were half as interested in factual relevant information regarding yellowcake as they were of producing lies regarding Wilson and Plame then perhaps they could regain some sense of overall truthfulness. America’s posts above indicate that they still cannot be trusted to tell the truth.

]]> By: awollovesosama http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-668406 awollovesosama Wed, 12 Jul 2006 19:16:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-668406 So America would have us believe that the CIA, the Justice Department, and the special prosecuter Fitzgerald are all halucinating and that America is blessed with information that basically renders their investigation, the money spent, the facts obtained, and the information gathered as a total waste of time. It must be great to be that deluded. Must be some great acid. And then to further the arguement somehow he must drag Wilson thru the dirt. Funny how the right's case (or lack thereeof) is centered on Swiftboating Wilson. In their own way by continuing to dirtbag Wilson they prove the case for Fitzgerald. They can't stop doing it. The prove their desire to do whatever it takes to denigrade Wilson and his wife, the CIA, the Justice Department, Fitzgerald to shift anyone's actual consideration away from the simple fact that yellowcake was not sold to Iraq, was not attempted to being sold at the time, and that AwolBush and his administration lied about it. They must slime anyone that might indicate the lies rather that focus on the yellowcake lies themselves. The extent that they are willing to do this is indicative of the nature of their discomfort with factual information and history regarding yellowcake. Was extensive levels of yellowcake ever found in Iraq? Was there ever proof that Niger sold yellowcake to Iraq? The CIA could never find this proof. So then the lies must be covered by smearing Wilson and Plame. Wow, what patriots. So America would have us believe that the CIA, the Justice Department, and the special prosecuter Fitzgerald are all halucinating and that America is blessed with information that basically renders their investigation, the money spent, the facts obtained, and the information gathered as a total waste of time. It must be great to be that deluded. Must be some great acid. And then to further the arguement somehow he must drag Wilson thru the dirt. Funny how the right’s case (or lack thereeof) is centered on Swiftboating Wilson. In their own way by continuing to dirtbag Wilson they prove the case for Fitzgerald. They can’t stop doing it. The prove their desire to do whatever it takes to denigrade Wilson and his wife, the CIA, the Justice Department, Fitzgerald to shift anyone’s actual consideration away from the simple fact that yellowcake was not sold to Iraq, was not attempted to being sold at the time, and that AwolBush and his administration lied about it. They must slime anyone that might indicate the lies rather that focus on the yellowcake lies themselves. The extent that they are willing to do this is indicative of the nature of their discomfort with factual information and history regarding yellowcake. Was extensive levels of yellowcake ever found in Iraq? Was there ever proof that Niger sold yellowcake to Iraq? The CIA could never find this proof. So then the lies must be covered by smearing Wilson and Plame. Wow, what patriots.

]]> By: awollovesosama http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-668300 awollovesosama Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:34:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-668300 The CIA felt strongly enough that a crime was committed to refer it to the Justice Department for investigation. Upon further investigation the Justice Department determined that enough information existed to warrant the selection of a special prosecuter and that a crime had been permitted. To continue to pursue the idea that Plame was not covert, that she personally chose Wilson for the Niger trip, and that CIA activities had to adapt to her being named is disingenous at best, bordering on extreme stupidity and ignorance at worst. To imply Wilson's outing of his own wife obviously lacks any evidence as has been discovered by the special prosecuter. It is all ready widely known that Cheney was/is the quilty party here and Bush may have instructed Cheney to out Plame. Fitzgerald continues an excellent investigation and due to the nature of the case (that the vice-president and president may be up to their respective eyeballs in it) shows great resolve and patience as he gradually shifts the magnifying glass onto these two lying traitors. The CIA felt strongly enough that a crime was committed to refer it to the Justice Department for investigation. Upon further investigation the Justice Department determined that enough information existed to warrant the selection of a special prosecuter and that a crime had been permitted. To continue to pursue the idea that Plame was not covert, that she personally chose Wilson for the Niger trip, and that CIA activities had to adapt to her being named is disingenous at best, bordering on extreme stupidity and ignorance at worst. To imply Wilson’s outing of his own wife obviously lacks any evidence as has been discovered by the special prosecuter. It is all ready widely known that Cheney was/is the quilty party here and Bush may have instructed Cheney to out Plame. Fitzgerald continues an excellent investigation and due to the nature of the case (that the vice-president and president may be up to their respective eyeballs in it) shows great resolve and patience as he gradually shifts the magnifying glass onto these two lying traitors.

]]> By: fred http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-668293 fred Wed, 12 Jul 2006 18:31:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-668293 Hey rightwing holocaust deniers. WHO’s WHO did not say that Plame was covert or worked for the CIA. Novak did and someone leaked that to him you stupid imbeciles. Comment by monkey — July 11, 2006 @ 9:13 pm uh....dude...i dont think the spec prosec said that either. noone has been (or appears that they will be) endicted. so one of 2 things has to be true: 1) the spec prosec has done a crappy job OR 2) she was not covert. so which is it?? come on. i have been waiting for your kooks to turn on fitzgerald. he better get somebody to start his car for a while..... Hey rightwing holocaust deniers. WHO’s WHO did not say that Plame was covert or worked for the CIA. Novak did and someone leaked that to him you stupid imbeciles.

Comment by monkey — July 11, 2006 @ 9:13 pm

uh….dude…i dont think the spec prosec said that either. noone has been (or appears that they will be) endicted. so one of 2 things has to be true:

1) the spec prosec has done a crappy job OR
2) she was not covert.

so which is it?? come on. i have been waiting for your kooks to turn on fitzgerald. he better get somebody to start his car for a while…..

]]> By: Skippy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667900 Skippy Wed, 12 Jul 2006 14:27:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667900 This is how they begin going after the CIA employees who are upholding American principles and "undermining the president's policies" - illegal and anti-American policies. Start making accusations and then round them up on conspiracy and breach of national security charges. No one should take anything at face value anymore. I wage my life this guy is innocent and that Novak is going to start setting people up to fall. This is how they begin going after the CIA employees who are upholding American principles and “undermining the president’s policies” – illegal and anti-American policies. Start making accusations and then round them up on conspiracy and breach of national security charges.

No one should take anything at face value anymore. I wage my life this guy is innocent and that Novak is going to start setting people up to fall.

]]> By: Spudge_Boy http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667672 Spudge_Boy Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:24:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667672 <blockquote>I don’t sit in my own little bubble telling myself how right I am like most of you.</blockquote> Yeah you do, or you wouldn't have your own blog, just like most of us. Hypocrite. Besides, you're famous. Anybody can Google your screen name, Seixon and discover your identity. You are famous after all. SHoot, you have even blogged about me. How special. In a creepy kind of way.

I don’t sit in my own little bubble telling myself how right I am like most of you.

Yeah you do, or you wouldn’t have your own blog, just like most of us. Hypocrite. Besides, you’re famous. Anybody can Google your screen name, Seixon and discover your identity. You are famous after all.

SHoot, you have even blogged about me. How special. In a creepy kind of way.

]]> By: Chandler http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667605 Chandler Wed, 12 Jul 2006 06:03:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667605 From the Libby indictment - d. The responsibilities of certain CIA employees required that their association with the CIA be kept secret; as a result, the fact that these individuals were employed bythe CIA was classified. Disclosure of the fact that such individuals were employed by the CIA had the potential to damage the national security in ways that ranged from preventing the future use of those individuals in a covert capacity,to compromising intelligence-gathering methodsandoperations, and endangering the safety of CIA employees and those who dealt with them. Page 2 e. Joseph Wilson (“Wilson”) was a former career State Department official who hadhelda variety of posts, includingUnitedStatesAmbassador. In2002,afteraninquirytotheCIA bythe Vice President concerningcertain intelligence reporting, the CIA decided on its own initiative to send Wilson to the country of Niger to investigate allegations involving Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium yellowcake, a processed form of uranium ore. Wilson orally reported his findings to the CIA upon his return. ( note that this <strong>contradicts the right-wing meme </strong>that Mr' Wilson's wife sent him to Niger) f. Joseph Wilson was married to Valerie Plame Wilson (“Valerie Wilson”). At all relevant times from January 1, 2002 through July 2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and <strong>her employment status was classified. </strong>Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson’s affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community. ( her status was "classified". People, like her neighbors knew her name, they did not know of her employment with the CIA or her staus there. Those that have tried to make the case otherwise are liars, pure and simple.) From the Libby indictment -
d. The responsibilities of certain CIA employees required that their association
with the CIA be kept secret; as a result, the fact that these individuals were employed bythe CIA was classified. Disclosure of the fact that such individuals were employed by the CIA had the potential to damage the national security in ways that ranged from preventing the future use of those individuals in a covert capacity,to compromising intelligence-gathering methodsandoperations, and endangering the safety of CIA employees and those who dealt with them. Page 2

e. Joseph Wilson (“Wilson”) was a former career State Department official who
hadhelda variety of posts, includingUnitedStatesAmbassador. In2002,afteraninquirytotheCIA bythe Vice President concerningcertain intelligence reporting, the CIA decided on its own initiative to send Wilson to the country of Niger to investigate allegations involving Iraqi efforts to acquire uranium yellowcake, a processed form of uranium ore. Wilson orally reported his findings to the CIA upon his return.
( note that this contradicts the right-wing meme that Mr’ Wilson’s wife sent him to Niger)

f. Joseph Wilson was married to Valerie Plame Wilson (“Valerie Wilson”). At
all relevant times from January 1, 2002 through July 2003, Valerie Wilson was employed by the CIA, and her employment status was classified. Prior to July 14, 2003, Valerie Wilson’s affiliation with the CIA was not common knowledge outside the intelligence community.
( her status was “classified”. People, like her neighbors knew her name, they did not know of her employment with the CIA or her staus there. Those that have tried to make the case otherwise are liars, pure and simple.)

]]> By: Juan C http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667416 Juan C Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:51:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667416 #77 Monkey. Dont bother with Seixon. He bores even the other trolls. #77 Monkey. Dont bother with Seixon. He bores even the other trolls.

]]> By: George http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667408 George Wed, 12 Jul 2006 04:31:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667408 50+ of Valerie Plame's contcts overseas were killed upon Novak's treasonous publication. Your punch bowl truly has a large Seixon floating around. 50+ of Valerie Plame’s contcts overseas were killed upon Novak’s treasonous publication.

Your punch bowl truly has a large Seixon floating around.

]]> By: TripMaster Monkey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667318 TripMaster Monkey Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:35:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667318 - <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667307" rel="nofollow">Judd</a>: I apologize for the off-topic posts, but I'm simply would not sit around and let Seixon spread lies about me, especially about something this serious. It's one thing for him to lie in the normal course of events here, but it's quite another to accuse me personally of immoral and illegal behavior. I believe I was within my rights to defend myself. - Judd:

I apologize for the off-topic posts, but I’m simply would not sit around and let Seixon spread lies about me, especially about something this serious.

It’s one thing for him to lie in the normal course of events here, but it’s quite another to accuse me personally of immoral and illegal behavior. I believe I was within my rights to defend myself.

]]> By: Judd http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667307 Judd Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:30:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667307 This thread is about Novak and Valarie Plame. It's not about individual commenters on this site. If people want to have personal discussions, please do so elsewhere. If you want to talk about the topic at hand, please post here. This thread is about Novak and Valarie Plame. It’s not about individual commenters on this site. If people want to have personal discussions, please do so elsewhere. If you want to talk about the topic at hand, please post here.

]]> By: TripMaster Monkey http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667306 TripMaster Monkey Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:29:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667306 - <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667297" rel="nofollow">Seixon</a>: <strong>You</strong> drop the act. You know damned well that my comment was focused upon <strong>you</strong> being immoral and unethical, as you've demonstrated countless times here. This situation is a prime example, as you've seized upon it to a) accuse me of something I did not do (again), and b) attempt to spread the rumor that I am the one publishing your personal info. Seixon, I really don't give a <strong>damn</strong> about your RL identity. Got it? I really don't know how to make this any clearer....you simply aren't worth that much attention. (By the way, don't you think I would have chosen a less obvious pseudonym than 'monkey'? Think about it (don't strain yourself). - Seixon:

You drop the act. You know damned well that my comment was focused upon you being immoral and unethical, as you’ve demonstrated countless times here. This situation is a prime example, as you’ve seized upon it to a) accuse me of something I did not do (again), and b) attempt to spread the rumor that I am the one publishing your personal info.

Seixon, I really don’t give a damn about your RL identity. Got it? I really don’t know how to make this any clearer….you simply aren’t worth that much attention.

(By the way, don’t you think I would have chosen a less obvious pseudonym than ‘monkey’? Think about it (don’t strain yourself).

]]> By: the Fly Man http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667264 the Fly Man Wed, 12 Jul 2006 02:04:50 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667264 I think the Sexions of the world are right in their own little technical details kind of way. But, just to say that the White House, specifically the VP's office, was just responding to a critic is a little misleading. Tell me Valerie Wilson didn't know what pressure and actions the Vp's team was exerting on the CIA in the lead up to the War? I think she used Joe's trip to Niger as a way to force the VP's hand and basically dare him to expose her AND her Cover Company Brewster Jennings because she was flushing them out on their abrogating activities at the agency. Motive folks, why would the Vp risk the total outing of one specific CIA operation, especially the one that just happened to be working on WMD proliferation regarding IRAN? What was so precious to them that had to gut a vital, IMHO, working operation of such relative significance. One more point, you don't think Bill Harlow was having discussions with his superiors when Novak contacted him the first time? I think someone at the CIA just let the VP and his boys hang themselves by letting Novak run with it. I think the Sexions of the world are right in their own little technical details kind of way. But, just to say that the White House, specifically the VP’s office, was just responding to a critic is a little misleading. Tell me Valerie Wilson didn’t know what pressure and actions the Vp’s team was exerting on the CIA in the lead up to the War? I think she used Joe’s trip to Niger as a way to force the VP’s hand and basically dare him to expose her AND her Cover Company Brewster Jennings because she was flushing them out on their abrogating activities at the agency. Motive folks, why would the Vp risk the total outing of one specific CIA operation, especially the one that just happened to be working on WMD proliferation regarding IRAN? What was so precious to them that had to gut a vital, IMHO, working operation of such relative significance. One more point, you don’t think Bill Harlow was having discussions with his superiors when Novak contacted him the first time? I think someone at the CIA just let the VP and his boys hang themselves by letting Novak run with it.

]]> By: Ben Cartwright http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667247 Ben Cartwright Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:57:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667247 John, what's your Media Center PC good for? If you guessed watching the all-star game while posting here at TP you would be right at the same time you'd be right. John, what’s your Media Center PC good for? If you guessed watching the all-star game while posting here at TP you would be right at the same time you’d be right.

]]> By: Umbra http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/comment-page-2/#comment-667245 Umbra Wed, 12 Jul 2006 01:52:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/11/novak-plame/#comment-667245 Yeah, you have nothing but anger at being wrong. Ann Coulter was right!!! Yeah, you have nothing but anger at being wrong. Ann Coulter was right!!!

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