ThinkFast AM: July 11, 2006
ThinkFast AM: July 11, 2006
“The Pentagon has decided in a major policy shift that all detainees held in US military custody around the world are entitled to protections under the Geneva Conventions,” the Financial Times reports.
Bush’s expected announcement today heralding the shrinking budget deficit is full of deception. “This will be the third year in a row that the administration put forth relatively gloomy deficit forecasts early on, only to announce months later that things had turned out better than expected.â€
A federal judge ruled yesterday that the controversial seizure of records from Rep. William Jefferson’s (D-LA) legislative offices was legal. Investigators told ABC News “an indictment is likely sometime this summer.”
Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) called new guidelines from the Bush administration on hurricane protection “nothing more than another slap in the face of Louisiana.â€
The Army is staying on track to meet its target of 80,000 new soldiers this year. Lowered standards have helped. The Army has eased restrictions on high school drop-outs, raised the maximum age from 35 to 42, and admitted large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists.
“Rising interest rates and persistently high gasoline prices will pinch consumer spending more than previously estimated, weakening the U.S. economy for the rest of the year.â€
“[I]inefficiencies and wasteful practices” plague the Pentagon. Projects are as much as 50 percent over budget and up to four years late in delivery. American Progress’ Lawrence Korb, a former Pentagon assistant secretary: “It’s always been bad, but I’ve never seen it this bad.”
A new study shows that global warming could wither many premium vineyards in California and across the nation by the end of the century.
“Members of the House International Relations Committee heard about President Bush’s proposed nuclear pact with Russia the same way average citizens did — in the pages of Saturday’s Washington Post. And panel members and staff, from both parties, aren’t very happy about it.”
And finally: Sen. George Allen (R-VA) “snuffs†his spitting habit. “Allen has been spotted in hearings and even on the Senate floor dipping and, yes, dear heavens, spitting into a plastic foam cup,†Heard on the Hill reports. “But lately…Allen has been enjoying Camel Snus and Stonewall Hard Snuff, both of which get Allen around that unbecoming spitting problem.â€
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“[I]inefficiencies and wasteful practices†plague the Pentagon. Projects are as much as 50 percent over budget and up to four years late in delivery. American Progress’ Lawrence Korb, a former Pentagon assistant secretary: “It’s always been bad, but I’ve never seen it this bad.â€
Nobody would have thought that constructing a Death Star were so difficult and costly. And the problem of the exhaust who is a direct path for a fighter bomber to the fision core is negligible. The project is alive and well. Grand Moff Tarkin – Pentagon.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:19 amWasteful government spending? Missed deadlines? Budget overruns? NO WAY!
We should convene a commission and spend a few million more to study the problem and produce a report. Possibly even create a new layer of bureaucracy to monitor the situtation on an ongoing basis in the future.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:22 amLowered standards, raised age limitations, and acceptance of those with “personality disorders.”
July 11th, 2006 at 9:25 amAre you a 42 year-old unemployed high school dropout with racist and sadistic tendencies — come here! The army needs you. Be all that you can be!
Now they’re applying the Geneva Conventions?
July 11th, 2006 at 9:25 amOdd…
#2 Wasteful government spending? Missed deadlines? Budget overruns? NO WAY!
We should convene a commission and spend a few million more to study the problem and produce a report. Possibly even create a new layer of bureaucracy to monitor the situtation on an ongoing basis in the future.
Comment by Chase — July 11, 2006 @ 9:22 am
It’s true! The Republicans are right. All forms of bureaucracy must be erased! Umm… but wasn’t the Pentagon a giantic building for bureaucrats? Let’s use it to cultivate some potatoes! A practical use, in accordance with the uses of the Founding Faters’ times! Yay!
July 11th, 2006 at 9:26 amRepublican Mantra=Deficits don’t matter! Until they want to trumpet the fact that they may be decreasing then it is seen as a great accomplishment.
They of course use the old estimate high trick and then when the numbers fall lower, they act like it is a great achievement.
Sort of like beating your wife and kids every day of the year and then giving them a break on Christmas and claiming that it is a wonderful thing not ot get beaten for a day.
-GSD
July 11th, 2006 at 9:32 am“The Pentagon has decided in a major policy shift that all detainees held in US military custody around the world are entitled to protections under the Geneva Conventionsâ€
Yeah, they ‘decided’….about as much as a criminal ‘decides’ to jo to jail after a judge sentences him.
Go Decider Go!
July 11th, 2006 at 9:33 amOffensive and possibly racist quote for the day. Jonah Goldberg: “I’d rather sit on an un-air-conditioned bus with Karl Rove and twenty illegal immigrants than have a steak at the Palm with Joe Wilson.”
Keep in mind that Jonah is less anti-immigrant than many of his colleagues. Apparently he thinks they’re smelly and disgusting but doesn’t mind them coming into the country as long as he doesn’t have to sit on a bus with them.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:36 am#11 Yeah, they ‘decided’….about as much as a criminal ‘decides’ to jo to jail after a judge sentences him.
Go Decider Go!
Comment by TripMaster Monkey — July 11, 2006 @ 9:33 am
Or as an eleven year child forced to wash his ears by his mommy. He washes his ears because he wants, keeps bragging. Yeah, right.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:36 am“Inefficiencies and wasteful practices†plague the Pentagon.
If this administration was at all concerned about “wasteful practices”, they probably would not be busy building an embassy in Iraq that will be visible from space.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:38 amSen. Vitter of Louisiana, along with Sen. Landrieu, have been complete ass kissers of President Bush, but they complain that they are being used by Dubya? LOL they need to wake-up from their self-induced comatose conditions, and notice that they are being played as fools! Most of the Senators in DC have this problem now!
July 11th, 2006 at 9:38 amSen. David Vitter (R-LA) called new guidelines from the Bush administration on hurricane protection “nothing more than another slap in the face of Louisiana.â€
I wonder how the US Embassy complex is going in Iraq? Last time I heard it was the size of Rhode Island. Glad this administration has it’s priorities straight.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:39 am#10
July 11th, 2006 at 9:40 amDang a Monkey beat me to it.
admitted large numbers of neo-Nazis and skinhead extremists.
This is misleading, the problem isn’t any worse than it has been historically, way to whip up some faux outrage TP. The fact is regardless of what the Southern Poverty Center says, there aren’t that many neo-Nazis and extremists in the US, and I’m willing to bet there are less now than 20 years ago.
Do they exist? Yes. Are there some of these elements in the military? Yes. Has it always been their goal, to prepare for the coming race war? Yes. If we weren’t in Iraq would the story be the same? Yes.
This is nothing to get excited about, and is a just a roundabout way of getting of Bush, all the while denigrating the military. They need our support right now more than ever right now.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:41 amSo, following Republican priorities, it’s A-OK to build a city sized embassy a couple thousands miles away from home, but NO is on “his own” to rebuild itself between hurricane seasons? A bit twisted for my taste.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:43 amUnder federal criminal law, anyone who “commits a war crime … shall be fined … or imprisoned for life or any term of years, or both, and if death results to the victim, shall also be subject to the penalty of death.” And a war crime is defined as “any conduct … which constitutes a violation of Common Article 3 of the international conventions signed at Geneva.” In other words, with the Hamdan decision, U.S. officials found to be responsible for subjecting war on terror detainees to torture, cruel treatment or other “outrages upon personal dignity” could face prison or even the death penalty.
So why aren’t we discussing whether Bush and Rumsfeld should be put to death? Why has this discussion not begun?
July 11th, 2006 at 9:47 am#14 – I think you’re probably right about the number of “neo-Nazis” and “extremist skinheads” in US today vs. 30 years ago. I’m sure a lot of them find their way to the military but I don’t think the Marines or the Navy is at risk of being overrun by white supremacists.
How about the problem of greater numbers of gang members joining the army for tactical training purposes? I would hate to think that issue goes undiscussed because gang bangers tend to be racial minorities while the skinheads mentioned above are, by definition, Caucasian.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:49 amcuz we are not pshyco’s
July 11th, 2006 at 9:52 amsupporting the troops is only something that is pretended by the libs. from time to time they do reveal their true feelings.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:55 amseizure of records from Rep. William Jefferson’s (D-LA) legislative offices was legal. Investigators told ABC News “an indictment is likely sometime this summer.â€
Call me crazy, but what’s the hold up on this? They caught the guy red-handed, case closed. My interpretation of the story is that they have him on tape accepting bribes and all of that came before these raids. It would behoove the Dems to get him indicted and sent to prison ASAP if they hope to use the “Culture of Corruption” catchphrase for November.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:57 amThis is off-topic in a sense, but I notice that once in a while when I open a thread, CPU usage zips up to 100% and stays there. I have XP Professional and keep Task Manager active at all times. I don’t know if Home Edition allows the same detail, but when I explore the situation, I find that IE and my Spyware tasks are using every spare ounce of CPU performance. Killing the thread last brought up brings constant CPU usage down to normal levels (4-11%). Has anyone else noticed this trend. My own first indication was that Edit/Find(On) would hang a thread. The only work-around I have found is to do an EndTask on the thread that was not responding or a Restart. Has anyone else noticed this problem?
July 11th, 2006 at 9:58 amthis administration is always complaining and crying about other people undermining the troops. Well, how do they think the troops feel when they have been properly educated, trained and screened to suddenly find out that drop-outs, rednecks, and nutcases are joinging them in the field.
I’m not in the military, but I know if I worked and trained hard to get my job and then someone else who is totally stupid and incompetant gets it just because someone is needed…I’m not going to feel to good about the job I’m supposed to do. I’m going to think my boss is more concerned with warm bodies than doing the job properly and that would affect me and my own ability to do what I have trained and love to do.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:58 am21, i sort of noticed it. but i am not computer savvy enough to to know whats up. what are you inferring the problem might be
July 11th, 2006 at 10:00 am21, huh?, get a Mac, then no problems
July 11th, 2006 at 10:03 amAnybody else listening to GWB talking this morning on the “Economic Report Card?”
His voice and body language are SO aggressive. He looks and sounds supremely pissed off. He’s hammering on the line item veto (unconstitutional), and continuing tax cuts. Ugh… Oh, he signed off, saying “God bless you all.” Most likely a handpicked audience.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:04 amThe military is a snap shot of society. If there is a 10% gay population the U.S., there is a safe bet that the percentage of gays in the military would be about the same. Same goes for thugs, gang members, skinheads, etc. etc…….
July 11th, 2006 at 10:05 amWe found the WMD!!
WASHINGTON Jul 10, 2006 (AP)— If current trends hold, tobacco will kill a billion people this century, 10 times the toll it took in the 20th century, Lung cancer remains the major cancer among the 10.9 million new cases of cancer diagnosed each year.
So lets bomb the crap out of the Tobacco Industry eh?
July 11th, 2006 at 10:05 amI mean wouldn’t this pre-emptive strike stop alot of uneeded loss of life??
#22 You make a good point, but how exactly is the military supposed to tell is these are extremists or not? Most of them don’t have swastikas on their foreheads and contrary to popular belief, they aren’t all uneducated slobs. The military has certain criteria for accepting people and they don’t screen beyond that; they never have.
Personally, I find it more shocking that we allow non-citizens to join the military.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:06 amLowering the standards for military service is the real problem. Skinheads, gang memebers and neo nazis are just the bottom feeders that are now being let in. Will the military be taken over by these elements? No, but the military will be hampered by having them in their ranks. For the military to allow this shows their back is against the wall and any other large scale military action will result in calls for the draft.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:06 amThe military is a snap shot of society. If there is a 10% gay population the U.S., there is a safe bet that the percentage of gays in the military would be about the same. Same goes for thugs, gang members, skinheads, etc. etc…….
Well that is almost true, the only class missing from this snapshot is the corrupt Chicken Hawks in Congress, Senate and the White House.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:07 am21, huh?, get a Mac, then no problems
Comment by Larry from C — July 11, 2006 @ 10:03 am
Yeah take Larry’s advice, you get half the computer for twice the price! But hey it’s all about being fashionable right?
July 11th, 2006 at 10:08 amthey dont join the military
July 11th, 2006 at 10:09 am- WaltTheMan:
I can suggest two possible solutions to your problem:
1: Ditch Internet Explorer. Install and use Firefox.
2: Ditch Windows. Install and use Linux.
I’m support Microsoft OSs for a living, but I run Linux personally. Since I started, I’ve never looked back.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:10 amI’m glad the military is going to follow Geneva Conventions protocols now. But we all realize that they are doing it to cover their asses. After the Hamden vs Rumsfield decsion, the people who commit non-Geneva Convention sanctioned actions are open to charges of War Crimes. Last thing those boys want is to face international tribunals about their behaviour.
But glad to see it none the less.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:11 am“I’d rather sit on an un-air-conditioned bus with Karl Rove and twenty illegal immigrants than have a steak at the Palm with Joe Wilson.â€
Yeh, could you imagine the smell coming off rove in an un-airconditioned bus?
I imagine it would be like sitting beside a sweaty decaying fish, scaly and slimy..most political operatives smell this way when removed from refrigerated areas. But I suppose a pundit, such as berg, is used to these odours and finds it quite comfortable to swim in sleaze.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:11 am#23 – Karen,
July 11th, 2006 at 10:12 amMy guess is that the thread, IE and my Spyware program have entered a duel. A router somewhere along the line is attempting to penetrate my machine.
I watched our fear leader talk about the economy for about 5 minutes, and had to turn it off.
It was a study in voodoo economics I that has never worked and never will work.
I turned it off when he said, something to the effect, that amurkans are saving more than ever. Saviings has been flat zero for years under his voodoo econ policies, and he knows it.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:14 amO
July 11th, 2006 at 10:14 am#29 You are again making assumptions that all gang members and neo-nazis wear their hearts on their sleeve and are all “bottom-feeders”. There is no plausible way that I see to exclude these people, you going to give them a survey to fill out?
1. Are you a crazy cracker who hates brown people?
A. Yes
B. No
Not all white Southerners are racists, not all blacks from L.A. are gang-bangers. If you meet the physical standards and can pass the military aptitude test then you are in.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:14 amPersonally, I find it more shocking that we allow non-citizens to join the military.
what I find more shocking is the dual citizenship of those in high positions in government. It makes me wonder where their true motives lie.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:15 am#25 – Finally something we agree on!
Congres cannot transfer it’s contitutionally enumered responsibilities to either of the other branches, even in the interest of practicality. What doesn’t matter here is any degree of “legislative record” in support of the Line Item Veto. Because Article I, Sec 7 explicitly outlines the legislative process, an amendment would be required to alter it.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:16 amAnd this was 2001, and it’s gotten worse…someone deserves a medal.
WHAT HAPPENED TO $1 TRILLION?
Though Defense has long been notorious for waste, recent government reports suggest the Pentagon’s money management woes have reached astronomical proportions. A study by the Defense Department’s inspector general found that the Pentagon couldn’t properly account for more than a trillion dollars in monies spent. A GAO report found Defense inventory systems so lax that the U.S.
Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.
link
July 11th, 2006 at 10:16 amThe miltary does a far better job of policing those activities than does society. Well more than half of the thugs and gang members that go in the military will not be criminals when they get out
July 11th, 2006 at 10:18 am#21 – WalttheMan,
No idea what you said there, if Squeegy shows up he’d know what the problem is, I think.
Like TripMasterMonkey in #33, I like Firefox. My son downloaded it for me a couple weeks ago. It seems to move along a little faster, and I have fewer problems with it.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:20 am#39 I’m again making assumptions about gang members? first post of the day so I’m not sure what voice in your head is telling you this is a repetition on my part. Now to your question. Nice strawman. Your last statement is the problem. The military has lowered the bar for entrance. There is a reason there is a standard. Soldiers are needed to act as a single force. They are required to execute orders that civilians don’t encounter. I’m not sure if your defending Racists, skinheads and the like but if these groups don’t work well in the civilian population what makes you think they will be a benefit to our military. Nowhere in my post did I claim all white southerners are racists or all L.A. blacks are gang members. Those are your words, not mine.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:25 amFirefox doesn’t have the Active X controls, unless you install the plug-in, that is used by alot spyware to gain entry and hijack your browser.
I only use Iexplorer when I have too…
July 11th, 2006 at 10:26 amImho, the whole Bush Presidency has been nothing more than a slap in the face of the American people. Unfortunately, slaps wake the living, but not the brain dead.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:35 am31, on the fence
right, who’d want the worlds best operating system, unlimited ease, never having to worry about viruses and the fastest computer. Yes I paid more but its worth it. Plus my iMac G5 can run windows if I wanted to enter the netherworld.
Speed? Check this out…http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/
July 11th, 2006 at 10:37 am#45 Not defending racists, nice one there. My point is there is no way to tell if they are in a gang or have racist tendencies. Lowering the bar has nothing to do with any of these people, they would have gotten in regardless.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:38 amWhy, oh why, would ANYONE use IE? Firefox SMOKES it, on so many levels, especially security, and it’s FREE?!
July 11th, 2006 at 10:43 amI also have an iMac G5 which has only needed TWO motherboard replacements in less than two years. It’s neat, but an overpriced pile-o-crap. Also on my SECOND iPod, and my wife is on her THIRD, cause their little, wimpy, expensive, poorly designed (too fragile) for something that’s inherently mobile. If Apple would license their hardware to third parties, prices would come way down and quality would go way up.
#21 – walt – yup I saw the ‘find’ issue too. TP banned my IP which sort of fixed it. I’m in a secure undisclosed location with I-R-I now
July 11th, 2006 at 10:46 am50, I’m on my 7th Mac in 15 yrs. Some lasted 2 years without needing any repairs. Others needed repairs at an average rate. I have the extended warranty so no problem. My friends with PCs seem to have many more problems than me. Firefox blows awway IE (IE is TOTALLY PATHETIC). But Safari blows away Firefox.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:57 am#52, or you could build a Linux box running on cheap, off the shelf PC parts, and once you finally get all the peripherals to function, you’ll have one hell of a fast, secure, and very unique and powerful OS. A lot of the features in Linux are a stunning combination of Mac and Windows features, all, totally editable by the user. Very cool, but complicated. I’m just amazed that Mac products fail so often. Literally, everone of my friends who owns an Apple product has had it either repaired by the factory, or totally replaced. (Apple should just give you two for the price of one!) Otherwise, their stock would have done a Google from the success of the iPod, but mechanical failures and warranty work keep that from happening.
/back on topic now…
July 11th, 2006 at 11:04 am#49. Many of these gangbangers and skinheads have identifying tattoos that are give aways to their alliances. Many enlistees have been turned away at the MEPS center for identifying marks. Gang graffiti is showing up in Bahgdad. That is counter productive to what the mission is. The military needs soldiers that will follow thru with the orders and not have personal agendas. A soldier gives up freedoms so others may keep theirs. A skinhead or gangbanger in the military will be ordered to defend the freedoms of the very thing they are against personally. You don’t see a conflict there?
July 11th, 2006 at 11:06 amHow about the problem of greater numbers of gang members joining the army for tactical training purposes?
Comment by Chase — July 11, 2006 @ 9:49 am
there is a white nationalist website, stormfront.org, that is advertising for just such a thing…
also, i think that, until now, gangs members and neo-nazi types were not allowed in the military, strictly refused entrance…
July 11th, 2006 at 11:09 amThe Pentagon changes its policy?
Could it be that some soldiers are being mutilated and tortured to death by the Iraqi insurgents?
Revenge for raping and killing an Iraqi woman?
Computer problems? If you want a toy, buy a PC. If you want a computer, buy a Mac.
July 11th, 2006 at 11:17 amDo recruiters get extra credit for people with multiple personalities. “Look, I got Bob, Bubba, LeRoy, Joe, Crazy Eddie and Betty all in one neat little package! Where’s my bonus?”
BTW, I build my own systems. Always used XP and IE and never had any problems.
July 11th, 2006 at 11:22 amYAY! lots of Mac people!
July 11th, 2006 at 11:33 amand thanks, Larry for C, for the reassuring words about safari – i also have firefox on my G4, but don’t use it much… my daughter prefers firefox on hers… she’s in college, i’m at home – could explain that…
the only time safari did not work for me was when filling out FAFSA (fin.aid) forms – the first year i had to use IE, the next year the site allowed firefox to work… but still not safari…
i love my mac… the only puter i’ve ever used…
Katy – while this may have been the stated policy, do you have any confidence they effectively kept them out? Much like homosexuals, the stated policy is to keep them out but we all know they have found their way in.
I agree with your premise though: gangbangers or skinheads shouldn’t be running around with big guns.
July 11th, 2006 at 11:34 amComputer problems? If you want a toy, buy a PC. If you want a computer, buy a Mac.
Comment by A. Dunkin — July 11, 2006 @ 11:17 am
You’ve got it backwards, Apple makes lifestyle computers, i.e. toys.
July 11th, 2006 at 11:45 am#54 I’m not disagreeing with you, I would rather not have extremists of any type representing my country, especially when under the worlds microscope in Iraq. Yes the tattoo thing can be used but that’s not always reliable. I think the Army did within the last year or two allow people with neck tattoos to join which was a change of course.
But you also have to consider that some people join the military as a way to reform their life and that may ultimately benefit both them and society as a whole. I would be interested in some statistics on whether joining the military caused racist tendencies to increase or descrease. I could be wrong but I believe it would actually help some of these people overcome their ignorance, since they are forced to fight, live, and entrust their lives to people of a different color.
I just can’t swallow the article’s assertion that there is a systemic problem with white supremecists in the military. Mysogonistic behavoir, perhaps, but I think that is a reflection of our current society.
July 11th, 2006 at 11:54 amYou’ve got it backwards, Apple makes lifestyle computers, i.e. toys.
Comment by onthefence — July 11, 2006 @ 11:45 am
Not true I work as a graphic designer, I won’t use a PC. macs work way better with adobe creative suite.
July 11th, 2006 at 11:59 am#61 I don’t believe the main point of the article was a “systematic problem with the white supremecists in the military. IMO it was more about the false image of meeting the target enlistment. Allowing people in who were earlier excluded just to meet a number is not a long term solution to the recruitment problem and will have adverse affects with these individuals in service. The military is a great place for someone to go if they aren’t sure of the path they should take but it is counter productive to the main objective if actions other than what the orders are continue by these individuals.
July 11th, 2006 at 12:02 pm“Allen has been spotted in hearings and even on the Senate floor dipping and, yes, dear heavens, spitting into a plastic foam cup,â€
George Allen spits? What wimp. Everyone knows that real men swallow.
July 11th, 2006 at 12:04 pmLifestyle computers? Well, it’s nice to have a hip, dependable , pretty lifestyle then!
I work in an all Mac office, we have no problems at all. I love my home G3, never had to send it for repair. I did upgrade my hard drive and OS, it’s like Christmas.
Interesting to see what the Mac vs lame PC breakdown would be, compared to the red/blue voter thing…
Back on track, i think the Pentagon is getting ready to throw Rummy under the bus.
July 11th, 2006 at 12:19 pm#62 ANS #64
I here you guys about that… the sad part is too that many seem to think the military takes outcasts, poor, “stupid”, vulnerable people… I never have been in the military but I have cousins who i knew growing up who came back new people not to mention skills that translated into jobs etc…
July 11th, 2006 at 12:21 pmJoneser,
it is not just white supremists. there are reports about inner city gang tags in Iraq as well. I guess the best hope, is that they broaden their horizons. Learn some good skills, and get out of the poverty and hate cycle. On the other hand, having a bunch of trained military types running gangs, and other violent groups could in the long run be a very bad thing.
July 11th, 2006 at 12:30 pmThe media is obsessed with the sky is falling, and making mountain out of a mole hill… every angle negative on the military and police will continue to be exploited as a rampant issue… so you the positive is always white-washed…. This is the best profile they can go with about our troops? If it bleeds it leads.
July 11th, 2006 at 1:03 pmAnyhow, I’ve not seen a case of domestic terrorism in the USA made by USA nationals as important as was the one done by Tim McVeigh, an Army veteran.
As I see it, the neonazis are the bigger source of terrorism in the USA. In the other hand, gang members tend to be on the side of a more disperse (altough important as well) form of violence, moving around organized crime.
From Wikipedia:
McVeigh was a self-described libertarian [1] and an anti-government extremist, with a long background in the survivalist movement. He was known to be a keen reader of the controversial book The Turner Diaries, which describes acts of terrorism similar to the one he perpetrated. Photocopies of pages sixty-one and sixty-two of the novel were found in an envelope inside McVeigh’s car. These pages depicted a fictitious mortar attack upon the U.S. Capitol in Washington.
Well, as I see it, he could have been stopped.
July 11th, 2006 at 1:23 pmFrom the NYTimes article: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/11/arts/television/11keit.html?_r=3&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=login
“MSNBC’s research claims that the median age for Mr. O’Reilly’s audience is 71″
I don’t know how reliable that is, but if true, damn. Median of 71?
July 11th, 2006 at 1:52 pmYAY! lots of Mac people!
Comment by katy — July 11, 2006 @ 11:33 am
Amen. I’ve got a iBook G3 and and Intel iMac and am never going back to PC.
“Members of the House International Relations Committee heard about President Bush’s proposed nuclear pact with Russia the same way average citizens did — in the pages of Saturday’s Washington Post. And panel members and staff, from both parties, aren’t very happy about it.â€
Though it is expected that while they may grumble about it, the Committee will bend over and take it, as it has so often in the past five years.
July 11th, 2006 at 1:57 pmWay off topic, sorry…….Have any of you posters read the article ” Could Bush be prosacuted for war Crimes” by Jan Frel on truthout..? A good read.
I worked for a publishing art department, we photographed and printed product catalogues for large american manufacturing firms here in the U.S.A. I was the prep person for the photographer. While in their dept. they taught me the rudementry beginnings of computers. Guess what.? All were Macs…I was given an out dated one as a gift and so started my self taught training beyond the art dept.. Two years ago I recieved an old iMac as a gift from a friend and have several friends with pc’s. In all my years 6 now, I have not had a single problem with viruses, bugs or break down’s like my friends have. Every one of them have newer computers and have had huge problems…My only problem’s have been from mac dummies in tech supports trying to use their technolegy of pc to get my iMac connected to their providers…..My learning experience has improved and I have found a great advantage about Mac’s, they seem to be bomb proof thus far. Don’t think I will ever own anything else…… Blessings all…Just passing through
July 11th, 2006 at 2:02 pmThe fear merchants in the White House, military industrial complex, and Chamber of Commerce are doing a masterful job of “copulating” the American taxpayers…
..Using 9/11 to perpetrate a war of convenience and HUGE profits…
…the Bushites are pimping “security” as the next great American entrepreneurial frontier…
…awarding HUGE contracts to “private security” contractors (like Blackwater) to protect corporate interests in Afghanistan and Iraq…
…these private security contractors get their personnel from among the ranks of America’s military elite Special Forces…
…who are trained with OUR taxpayer dollars…
…How much do you want to bet that “we the people” will see these “private security” contractors in the streets of America, protecting their rich masters from the masses…
…when we finally wake up and find out just HOW MUCH we’ve been copulated…
…and want some accountability from the criminal corporate/political elitists among us?
If you’re concerned about seeing these ex-military (now paramilitary) “hired guns” in situations reminiscent of the thugs employed by…
…Karl Rove and Tom DeLay intimidating poll workers during the Florida recount…
…contact your Congresspeople and Senators and DEMAND that these “private security firms” reimburse the government for the cost of training their personnel…
…make it illegal for these firms to operate inside the continental U.S…
…and include in the military induction “oath of loyalty” a declaration that they will not use their military training against the law abiding citizens of the U.S.
July 11th, 2006 at 2:58 pm70…
he could have been stopped…? You think neonazi’s are the worst threat to domestic terror in our country? Islamic fascism….. Do you think none of these people want to collaborate in their hate for America? You really think McVeigh and Nichols worked alone? There is that age old saying the enemy of my enemy is my friend….And nevermind you can’t police thought. Alot of it can be stopped with cooperation…. hmm results have been pooring in with the latest terrorist conspirators via monitoring the net and blogs, and phones finances… meanwhile companies like google don’t want to help the U.S yet they use our information everyday when we surf the web for their own benefit yet they won’t in effort to save lives…. ironically they are willing sensor their search engine to get into the chinese market which oppresses lives… does that make any sense. The obsession and hatred of Bush has become so sick they it seems like we can’t see the forest from the trees.. Unfortuantly the Democratic party uses that rage and emotion to skate on having no solution short of “we don’t like him either…
The worst threat to this country is the these groups who use emotion on both the right and the left along with the constitution, to forward their agendas.
July 11th, 2006 at 3:09 pmyeah big papa… almost wants you to get that 2nd amendment thing revamped huh?
July 11th, 2006 at 3:13 pmyeah big papa… almost wants you to get that 2nd amendment thing revamped huh?
Comment by joneser #75
Sorry joneser,
Hell NO!
Everybody’s got a pistol…
…and even if they give up theirs…
…I’m keeping mine…
…al Cracker is on the move…
…If you ain’t got…
…you’d better get…
July 11th, 2006 at 5:05 pmBUT A PROGRESSIVE WANTS YOUR GUN BIG PAPA
July 11th, 2006 at 5:10 pmBUT A PROGRESSIVE WANTS YOUR GUN BIG PAPA
Comment by joneser #77
joneser,
TOO broad a brush stroke…
…not ALL Progs think alike…
…that’s what makes us intelligent…
July 11th, 2006 at 6:25 pm[...] Think Progress [...]
July 11th, 2006 at 6:28 pm42 year old neo-nazis can join up?
July 11th, 2006 at 6:34 pmHow old is S. Hannity?
Time for that chicken-hawk to really support that invasion–I mean war.
The obsession and hatred of Bush has become so sick they it seems like we can’t see the forest from the trees..
Comment by joneser #74
junkster,
…should’ve read upon you sooner…
…If you can’t understand why the TRAITOR Bushiva deserves our hate…
…you ain’t never going to see sh*t…
…with the intelligence deficit you’ve got…
…you’re a blind son of a bi*ch…
…unworthy of further consideration…
July 11th, 2006 at 6:49 pm# 80. Steve53;
Excellent.
July 11th, 2006 at 7:27 pm# 80. Steve53;
Excellent.
Comment by Si Byl
July 11th, 2006 at 7:54 pm==============
Thanks,Si Byl.
I’m just trying to keep up. :o)
big papa, some of the Black water bunch are already here and made them selves known in N.O. right after Katrina. Saw it live on CNN, using automatic weapons to evict a scrawney little lady out of her house and take her rifle.. After that I went out and baught more bullets. Yep! they were even interviewed…..Well they had better think first before they come after this old gal.. I can hold off 400 right now on my little patch of land..and enough food and water to last months… Good posts BTW…Blessings, we need them.
July 11th, 2006 at 8:09 pmYikes, Sharon! If we ever come over to your house, we’ll call first, ok? ;)
Hug a tree for me, and scratch that pup’s ears if he ever stops moving long enough.
July 11th, 2006 at 9:16 pm#30; I was drafted. I did not see the chickenhawks there, but I was there. I too had ‘other priorities’, but I was still there. Unlike 5-deferment Dickhead Cheney or 7- deferment John Ashcroft, I served and did ALL my time unlike deserter Bush.(AWOL > 30 days = desertion-ask any soldier/veteran). I did become an ‘honorary soul brother’ during my time in the service, and could do the dap(Special black greeting of the time). You’re right in that the military is a cross-section of society as a whole. I did see my share of white-trash syndrome racists, low-IQ types and others. There even were some gung-ho John Wayne/Rambo wannabes too. As the mysterious Dave Rabbit said on his pirate radio broadcasts in Vietnam “lifers are like flies, both eat shit and bother people”.
July 11th, 2006 at 10:21 pmZooey, not to worry. I’m not a nut case, just prepared. Haven’t shot any one yet but it’s still early in the morning… LOL…Pup’s over 100 pounds now, he walks me instead of me walking him……Rainy day here, inside work…..Making lavender bundles for gifts.. Todays hugs went to huge abroveties 20 feet tall along the side of my motor home…….Blessings all…..
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